Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Thank you Mr. Veronica Fernandes for writing few lines about the Brutality of Invaders against women, in Kuwait, Goa, Bangladesh etc. during the time of invasion. Your few words have a great morality. Thank you once again. Viva Kuwait.. Viva Goa. Santana Afonso From: A. Veronica Fernandes Tomorrow is the 16th anniversary of the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq. On the eve of this, I am reproducing the following write-up of mine appeared in today's local Arab Times. I am sure this may be of some interest and information to many of goanetters in particular and Goans in general. A.V.F. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] VOICES Aug issue
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Goanetters, The August issue of VOICES, a parish newsletter of Holy Spirit Church, Margao, Goa has been uploaded on www.holyspiritchurchgoa.com The theme for the month is Freedom to Love. Your feedback, comments are always welcome. Leo D'Mello. Live a Fuller Life. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Knowing the Arabic culture as I do, I have no doubt whatsoever that rape would have taken place as Iraqis invaded Kuwait, that summer of 1990. Rape is all to common in the Arab Muslim culture, mostly unreported and unspoken of, much too often incestuous. My mother who worked for 30 years in a hospital, tells of horrible, horrible stories that would churn even the most stoic stomach. Elisabeth - --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question to you is quite specific but in two parts: a) the evidence of brutality and rape in Kuwait was subsequently deemed to be untrue,...etc. Mario asks: Oh, really? Is this according to the Independent or the Guardian, or perhaps the BBC? What has the removal of equipment from a hospital have anything to do with the rapes of Kuwaiti and other women, which were widely reported at the time. Was Cornel aware that Saddam and his son's and his Baathist supporters had rape rooms where they raped the wives and daughters of their political opponents, in front of the men? Rape was standard procedure by the Iraqi Baathists to humiliate their political opponents. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Florianos fascination with Colonial justice
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. - Original Message - From: Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:02 PM Subject: [Goanet] Florianos fascination with Colonial justice * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Floriano: i always read your ramblings with great interest. But i do not agree with a lot of things that you write. Fl: Thank you very much. But of course, you are most welcome. Your fascination with colonial system of justice is reprehensible. Extra juducial killings, no due process of law, barbaric treatment of victims of police brutality,policemen acting like goons are things which are not to be emulated. FL: You are generalising Colonial Justice system on the one incident I related which happens to be true. I wouldn't do that. There is an over-all track record of excellent justice by the colonizers of which the Indian Juducial system can take a page from and learn. You are making the same mistake that the Gujratis do when they believe that rather than follow the due process of the law, a progrom against minorities is a effcient way of teaching them a lesson. FL; I didn't say that. You are saying it. Even then, what you say is right by all means. Your belief is as intolerant as any one else's. Fl: Glad to note that there are others who share my beliefs. can you please shed light on the follwoing: 1. was any evidence submitted against the timber contractor in a court of law? Fl: Dictators or military governments do not follow democratic norms. I will have to ask the contractor's people if they did file an appeal. If they did, then there should be a meticulous record of the proceedings. The Colonizers were know for their record keeping. 2. were any other higher ups in the forest department invesigated and punished? Fl: I shall have to open-up the archives to find out that. But let me tell you that I am not in the least interested. I have a fatalistic attitude. That is because I believe that at that time, the law was right. 3. was agent monterio investigated for causing a unlawful death in custody? Fl: On the contrary, I think he got a promotion. 4.was there any proof that proved that the cntractor gave a supari? Fl: His( contractor's) death through extreme torture, for one. Or did he commit suicide??? One will never know. BTW ,Uday bhembres response regarding the mala vandalism is correct. Karmalis act is a illegal act but doesnt come under the definition of terrorism. Fl: So also the act of the demolition of the Babri Masjid by Karmali's BJP. But that act opened the doors for terrorism in India, Modi's Gujarat, for one. That is exactly what Uday Bhembre said in his speech justifying my disagreement wit his interpretation. -vivek ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] India may decline $100 laptop program
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. If I may borrow polite language from St. Tosh Helekar, what has the Sudeep Banerjee character been smoking? Fred and other Linux aficionados, would you know if Banerjee has visited Redmond, Washington lately? Peter D'Souza ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Govt. Public Notice on purchase of properties in Goa by foreigners
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Govt. Public Notice on Purchase of Properties in Goa by foreigners PUBLIC NOTICE PURCHASE OF PROPERTIES IN GOA BY FOREIGNERS It has come to the notice of the Government that in violation of Foreign Exchange Management Act, 1999, and RBI instructions issued from time to time, foreign nationals (excluding NRIs PIOs) are buying immovable property in Goa. This has caused great consternation in the minds of the public and has unnaturally affected the real estate market in the State. It has also caused great concern to the State Government that such activities, in violation of existing legislation, are being carried out rampantly. Therefore, the State Government hereby cautions and warns all foreign nationals as stated above to abide by all RBI instructions and circulars with respect to acquisition of immovable property. Such foreign nationals are also advised to study the Clause 6 (3) (i) of Foreign Exchange Management Act, 1999 read with FEMA Notification No. FEMA 21/2000-RB dated 3rd May 2000 and Master Circular No. 05/2005-06 dated 1st July 2006 available on website http://www.ribi.org.inwww.ribi.org.in which deals with the acquisition of immovable property by such foreign nationals before intending to by any property in Goa. Land Owners wishing to sell their land to such foreign nationals are also advised not to pay heed to the agents who facilitate such transactions, but acquaint themselves with the Foreign Exchange Management Act, 1999 and the instruction of RBI in the matter of immovable property by such foreign nationals. In case of any doubt, the Revenue or the Finance Department of the State Government may be contacted for seeking explicit clarifications. The State Government will take appropriate action against all existing defaulters who have acquired immovable property illegally and in violation of the existing provisions of law. Issued by Revenue Department,. Government of Goa, Secretariat, Porvorim, Goa. DI/631/06 --- Advert in GOMANTAK TIMES 3/08/06 page A12 --- This Public Notice has also appeared in the HERALD 3/08/06 page 1 and THE NAVHIND TIMES 3/08/06 page 3 --- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy === -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 8/2/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Club de Goa celebrates World Goa Day 20th August at Kidspace
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goenkars, Once again Club de Goa, Brisbane Queensland celebrates World Goa on the 20th August at Kidspace Park for an outdoor event. In keeping with tradition, there will be cake, wine, games and prizes. All those visiting Brisbane around this time are welcome to join us in celebrating our 4th World Goa Day Celebration. Viva Goa. Joy de Souza ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] World Goa Day/Romi Lippi Konkani Script
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Francis What is Romi Konkani Script and what suggestions do you have to furthur the cause, I am aware a lot of our people have fogetten where they came from as they contribute to the economies of the countries they live in their only escape from all their worries is to saunter from Dance to Dance.A magnet causes like poles to repel and opposite poles to attract, is it the Indian or Portuguese gene over generations that causes this attitude problem in getting two Christain Goans to agree.I know that Rene took the lead and where there is no order there will always be disorder. The theme this year is EXCELLENCE THROUGH UNITY lets work on the Konkani issue along with all the other jobs to be done in making Goa an excellent place on Earth within this generation. I am happy to coordinate the jobs with appropriate volounteer professionals and generalists along with Goa Govt Officials via the NRI Cell all willing. 1Konkani Issue= Volounteers Required 2Hospitals/Primary Care/ Medical Equipment 3 4 Please continue list Regards Melvyn Fernandes Croydon Surrey England CR7 8HJ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Socorro Consumer Forum meeting on Thursday 3rd August
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! -- --- Socorro Consumer Forum to meet on Thursday 3rd August Socorro Civic and Consumer Forum will conduct its monthly general meeting on Thursday, 3 August 2006, at the residence of Anton Vaz, Arrarim, Socorro from 6 pm. onwards. Topics on the agenda are: Review of 23 July '06 Gram Sabha. Other topics include Bus routes, SEZ / Proposed IT Park, Senior citizen cards, Right to Information Act, and any other complaints from consumers on BSNL phones, Water Electricity, Gas etc. All residents of Socorro village and surrounding areas are cordially invited with your suggestions and complaints. - Press Release from Socorro Civic and Consumer Forum Contact Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goan Festival U.K.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Some more pics, Class of '65 St. Teresa's with spouses. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/?saved=1 -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] DEAR AUNTY No. 15 - WEEKLY HUMOR :-))
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DEAR AUNTY No. 15 - WEEKLY TOP 12:
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1. DEAR AUNTY,
It seems now another group of mainly priests has come forward to save Goa.
Who are they - is it the same Floriano, in a different disguise ? Loiola
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Dear Loiola: No, he's Su-Raj ! These guys are Ig-Raj ! ('igrej'=church)*
2. DEAR AUNTY,
You seem chummy with Helga in the Viva Goa photos! Anything going on? Kevin
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Dear Kevin: Heavens, no ! She's just my Aunt Arctica !
3. DEAR AUNTY,
We Goans are so good at Sol-Fa and music. But nowadays foreigners taking all
our music contracts. Why they come, even from as far as Portugal ? Ti Me.
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Dear Ti Me: They come So Fa to sing Portuguese Fa Do for plenty Do Lah !
4. DEAR AUNTY,
How did the kind cop meet the confused aunty at Viva Goa this year? Blandino
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Dear Blandino: Hello madam, I'm police to meet you !
5. DEAR AUNTY,
OK, can you do an English knock-knock this week, but something Goan! Godfrey
Dear Godfrey:Knock ! Knock !.Who's there?.Cash!
Cash who??..Cashew feni, we ain't got any!
6. DEAR AUNTY,
Why all these big antics of yours to support the Romi Konkani script ? Lino
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Dear Lino: Well. 'cos I'm just a big Rom-aunt-ic !
7. DEAR AUNTY,
Two phoren girls escaped Beirut and staying in our shack. They wear lungis,
and live and love together the live-long day. Are they Lebanese ? Libby.
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Dear Libby: Gaily going on ? Why not Goanese ??
8. DEAR AUNTY,
Cuba's Fidel Castro very ill-he's communist, must the Pope pray for him? Joe
Dear Joe:Havana pray for him too, but Vatican do yaar ?!
9. DEAR AUNTY,
I was violent criminal. Now I'm musician, I want to form big band. Rebec is
traditional, but I don't want. Should I have violins in my band or no? Chor
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Dear Chor: I think 'non violins' is the best solution for you
10. DEAR AUNTY,
Why was Joseph in the Bible a big-hearted, generous goenkar ?Zuzfin.
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Dear Zuzfin: Because he had a coat of many 'kalliz' ! (colours!)
(kalliz = heart)*
11. DEAR AUNTY,
Big accident Surla mines. No communication. Can I use your walkie-talkie to
send my foreman Raja urgently to the mines ? Pls. give the msg to send. Anil
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Dear Anil:Mines go ! Mines go! Raja, over and out !
12. DEAR AUNTY,
You were security vigil at Viva Goa - legal or illegal (like Stallone)? Sil
Dear Sil: Oh yes, I was a big vigil-auntie ! (vigilante!)
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[Goanet] Annual Goanetters meet in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I have attended three Goa Netters meetings in Goa so far, and they were most enjoyable, especially putting the face with the name. I am still waiting to meet Ole-Xec-Xec though ! Fred, I thought the format of meeting at a local club or restaurant, with no formal agenda has worked fine in the past. Or am I simplifying things ? I would be glad to lend a hand, perhaps by first, finding a convenient location. Please let me know how I can help. You shouldnt have to bear all the burden. Vivan a.k.a. Shenzi62 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] a bone to pick with Bosco:Goanet admin
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I had posted a query long ago on goanet about world goa day yahoo group and its moderator. This post was blocked and not allowed to appear on goanet and i had a reply from Bosco (as Goanet admin) asking me to enquire with Rene instead. Now, my query was cleary for someone on goanet to answer and I do not understand why it was censored and didnt appear on goanet. From Geroge Pinto's recent mail(WGD origin)on Goanet , I have now learnt the answer to my query long ago as to who the moderator of the WGD yahoo group was! and also why the membership was denied as a result of being unapproved within 14 days. I still need to know why Bosco decided my post was not to appear on Goanet and for him to personally answer in his own way(not what i asked)instead. Jen *~Jen Birmingham UK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VascokarsUnited/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IEIGLC/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoanStudentsAbroad/ == __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Goastalgia ... Friday fairs in the 'fifties that fulfilled a function...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Jean Marcos Catao I normally read with avid interest the Goanet newsletter but this time I was so impressed with your delightful article of Goastalgia: Friday Fairs. It was so refreshing to read about the good old days, but your description and vocabulary were so eloquent very absorbing. Keep up the good work as well as the memories of our traditions and customs in Goa which are sadly fading. Regards Mona Dias Sydney Australia - Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Simon Gonsalves all set to release 1st Konkani VCD film CHOVIS VORAM
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Simon Gonsalves all set to release 1st Konkani VCD film CHOVIS VORAM Rock Raaga presents AVERLY PRODUCTIONS' 1st Konkani VCD film titled CHOVIS VORAM, written and directed by Kuwait-based Simon Gonsalves and produced by Rajesh A. Bhosale.The VCD is scheduled for release in August in Kuwait, Goa Mumbai (India) and worldwide. Watch out! For more info, visit www.rockandraaga.com or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] You heard it first at : www.goa-world.com About Simon Gonsalves: Little did anyone know that a simple lad born a few decades ago in Panchwadi would rise to be an indomitable star of the Konkani stage. An actor of exceptional talent, winner of several awards for acting, a good singer, composer and producer of Konkani audio albums, a playwright who has penned noteworthy scripts and directed many tiatros, Simon Gonsalves has entered the chronicles of tiatr history in Goa and Kuwait. In a candid chat with us, Simon, a multi-talented artiste talked about his voyage in the drama foyer in an incredibly short span of time. Simon's immense talent and stage capabilities were first noticed by his village folks when he went up the stage to participate in a Kunnbi dance for a school gathering. People, amazed at his poise and graceful stage presence, prompted him to take up acting in tiatros. Landing with his first character role of a police inspector in a village tiatro, and later Bab Agnel D'Costa's Xapai Simon went on excelling in every performance that followed on the stage and the Carnaval khells in which he had become a name to reckon with. With explosives of hidden talents, Simon wanted to go cross milestones with his blazing talent. Simon discovered his multi-faceted acumen when he excelled in his directorial debut venture in 3 consequent tiatros in his village, two of which were written by Bab Santan de Xelvon and other by Reginald de Panchwadi. A meticulous eccentric perfectionist that he is, Simon personally painted the boards, (as is the practice even now, where every village advertises on a piece of painted wood/ Formica board giving details of the drama - this board is usually kept at the tinttos/main area of activity of the village). The appreciation and fame poured in from every angle except his family. Simon longed for his family's support to further his acting career. His family had cleared their stand with him, they were dead against the tiatr and tiatr world. But Simon had a mission; he had to carry the flaming torch of Konkani tiatro. He determined to change their minds with his appreciable work. A few years later, Simon moved to Kuwait for his livelihood after a fellow villager, Peter D'Souza, helped him to get a visa to Kuwait. With a heavy heart, sitting aboard the flight from Goa to Kuwait, Simon realized that he will miss his life-long passion in Kuwait. With a few tiatros being staged in Kuwait, Simon saw minimal chances of himself working on the stage. But God had other plans for him. Jeff de Assolna who knew his abilities and casted him in his tiatr Bhik in Kuwait. Thereafter Bab Rafael de Majorda cast him in his maiden venture ALIZA where Simon ignited the stage with his acting finesse. His role as an errant husband going astray teamed with Jane, another equally talented artiste of Kuwait and Betty Naz a very prominent actress of Konkani films and stage is still remembered by the tiatr audiences. With a perfect dialogue delivery matched with precise stage angles and presence left audience desiring for more of this newly developed stage persona. Later his acting career got a boost with his portrayal of negative character role in Mario de Majorda's tiatr Anvddo staged in December 2000. Not satisfied, Simon had his sights focussed on greater heights. He opted to test his directorial capabilities in Kuwait by participating in the one-act play competition organized by United Club of Utorda. He was pleasantly surprised to bag many awards for his one-act play DEVACHO GHUTT DEV ZANAM. And indeed, he had outshone as an artiste, director and more importantly playwright of exceptional capabilities. Encouraged by this feat, Simon staged his first full-fledged Konkani tiatr, TUJEA KALLZAK VINCHAR in 2002 with artistes from Goa and Kuwait. Thereafter, he and his brother, Felix, co-directed another one-act play Resped Diat and bagged the second place
Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing Bigotry (attn. G. Pinto
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 02/08/06, Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not see any gross injustices or bigotry from Indian Christians, practiced IN INDIA, at the present time or in the immediate past. If anyone Nasci, You are conveniently restricting yourself to a frame of reference where you know you probably won't find inconvenient evidence. If you look at the globe, you will find gross injustices and bigotry from a number of persons who are Christian. So, I wonder why you lash out at people of other faiths in all your writing. Of course, I am not one of those who sees history as a clash of civilisations (read: faith beliefs). Religion is just the clothing. At the root, we are much the same, and share our fears, desires, goals, dreams, idiosyncracies In India/Goa, the freedom for religious practice, is isolated to parts of the country; and is effectively stymied by the majority Hindus (caste Hindus) in large parts of the country. How about that? In India, we have had religious freedom and tolerance in greater measure than some of the Western (read WASP) countries you admire. What we have been seeing since the mid-nineties is not the doings of Hinduism. It stems from Hindutva (a political ideology, not to be confused with the religion Hinduism). This reflects the intolerant, bigoted fringe, which is trying to seize control of Hinduism and play the role of a self-appointed spokesperson. Just as people of your ike represent the intolerant, bigoted fringe of their own religions. I am sure just because one Nasci holds the views he does, it can't be held against all Christians and shown as proof that they are a bigoted people. RUT of caste discrimination and effects of 'animal worship' in their societies!! Lastly, let me register my protest at your attempts to pour ridicule on another religious tradition -- it's very easy to criticise The Other -- every time you post. Each response is another excuse to blast a religion which you obviously don't even understand, though your ancestors belonged to it. To call Hindus animal worshippers is akin to saying that Catholics worship wood, because of all the statues in the churches. I really don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings and religious beliefs here, but just want to show how ludicrous such arguments could get. Nascy, prior to shooting your mouth (based on what your grandmum told you as a kid), you can easily check the Net. For instance, from the Hinduism true-or-false series: http://www.buildingwithbooks.org/res/isp/hinduism/HinduismTF.html Hindus believe in treating all living things equally and have high regard for animals, especially the cow. Many Hindus believe that the cow is a living symbol of mother earth. In early agricultural times, the cow, thought to have been the first animal Hindus domesticated, provided a lot for families, including milk, milk products, labor, and dung. Because cows would give all its possessions for the benefit of others, they were thought of as one of the most important parts of the family. Hindu scriptures prohibit cow slaughter for these reasons. Hindus do not worship gods, instead they worship animals like Elephants and Monkeys. FALSE - Hindus see divinity in all living creatures therefore, animals also occupy an important place in Hindu Dharma. One example is Hanuman, the monkey god. He is a devotee of Sri Rama and is worshipped by millions of people in India – this is because Hanuman is the embodiment of devotion, dedication and strength. Many people have seen images of Ganesh (Ganapati) the 'elephant god' as well. There are many myths around how this deity (who is actually not an elephant) received an elephant head. [I would prefer replacing the word 'myths' with the word 'beliefs'. After all, all religion is made up of 'myths' or 'beliefs', depending on how you see it. So is all political ideology. Even, our debates on Goanet is based on a lot of myths, at time!] Peace, and don't pour scorn on the beliefs of others please. At the end of the day, what you believe in, is a matter of faith. As long as it makes you a better human being, does it matter? FN -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing
[Goanet] National Seminar on Fuller Life in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear All, The Academy of Self-Actualization has been conducting mind-body-spirit development programs for the last 16 years. Recently the Governor of Goa, His Excellency, Shri Jamir, inaugurated a Fuller Life Fellowship for Goa, while the Hon'ble Minister for Education, Shri Luizinho Faleiro, formally inaugurated the website, www.fullerlife.in Also on the occasion Rev Fr Allan Noronha, Manager of Pilar Educational Institutions and Dr H Kumar, a leading Rotarian and social worker released a DVD Fuller Life Workouts 1 and an Audio CD on Fuller Life Meditations called 21 Day Miracle Meditations. Fr Agnel College of Arts and Commerce in colloboration with the Academy of Self-Actualization is now hosting a National Seminar on Fuller Life on the 12th and 13th of August, 2006 at Pilar Reanimation Centre. For more details and registration form log on to www.fragnelcollege.com/nationalseminar or www.fullerlife.in/nationalseminar The Fuller Life program is a comprehensive modern and scientific, mind-body-spirit development program based on a holistic approach to man, in pursuit of Self-Actualization. The program is vastly interactive and proves most of its theories with practical sessions. The workings of the human Mind is explored whilst techniques are taught to use both sides of the brain. Special sessions are held on breathing and work outs - not just for the body but also for the mind and the spirit. Accommodation, on twin sharing basis, is provided at Pilar. Registration Fee : Rs 800 (all inclusive, with accommodation, all meals, tea and program fees). Contact for Registration : Leo D'Mello on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (91-832-2742678 /9) or Roque Fernandes on [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((91-98221 02909) or Fr Allan Noronha on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (91-98223 87355) Come and experience an enlightening and experiential seminar which will leave you refreshed with a fresh perspective on life and a tonic for living life to the fullest. If you are in Goa, grab this golden opportunity and register. If you are not in Goa, here is a great opportunity for you to experience this wonderful paradise of Goa and have a holiday which will rejuvenate your entire being. Live a Fuller Life www.fullerlife.in ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] PUCL and response to Fred
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Fred: frankly speaking, I expected a more to the point response from you. FN :Unlike you, I don't see things in terms of being pro-Muslim, anti-Hindu, or pro-Christian. Me: well Fred, a noble sentiment indeed albeit a very naive one. Political correctness apart we all know the VHP is pro hindu, the Milli Council is pro muslimthe Akalis are pro sikh and so on. Then there are some who are pro left or pro right. FN: Why are you so upset with an attempt to hold an anti-communalism camp in Goa in mid-August? Do you feel this would expose the real communalists? Me: Not at all, expose the communalists every where you see them! In fact I am doing that myself here because i think we should not allow biased organizations like PUCL from exploiting a genuine issue to push forward their twisted agenda. FN: PUCL is a prominent Indian organisation that has been doing much appreciated work for years. Me: The Sangh parivar is much much more prominent organization with than PUCL and there are a significant number of people who appreciate their work. Ask the Gujratis who voted overwhelmingly for Modi in the civic elections. FN: From there, you move on to make unsubstantiated charges against one of the most respected human rights lawyers in India, Nandita Haksar. Me: i just said that the white paper carried a lie that there was a grenade attack on masjid in priol. you never provided any evidence to the contrary. Please point me to the post where I have made unsubstantiated charges against ms haksar.by the way i dont consider her most respected or renowned at all. FN: Vivek goes on to lambast the PUCL Me: lambast ? i just copied excerpts from the report they released on Solapur riots along with my comments. Please lambast me with your views on the specific comments I made. FN: I think the so-called non-Goans like Nandita Haksar and Vidyadhar Gadgil have done a great job in standing up for the truth, much more than what we so-called Goans could hope to achieve in three lifetimes Me: you are free to speak for your self fred , please dont be unduly self deprecating of all Goans. As far as three lifetimes go, dont believe in reincarnation :-) I dont know about vidyadhar but there is nothing so called about the Goanness of ms haskar.She IS a non-goan. Fred, i would be very happy if you respond to the specific comments I raised regarding the Sholapur riot paper as well as this post. -vivek ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] secular initiative: Freds response ...or rather the lack of it!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Fred: I am not playing a game and I dont think I am very smart either. As far as pseudonyms are concerned there are allmost 8000 plus netters whom I dont even know. As per some peoples own admission they use nom de plumes and maybe many post under more than one name. Just because some one signs off with a name and a last name along with a place doesnt mean that the person is real. On a open forum such as this one what matters is the content. As long as some one is civil and raises relevant points there need not be any issue regarding the identity of the poster. if Vidhyadhar Gadgil or you or any one else has a right to freely circulate reports which in my opinion are biased and malicious I have every right as well as a responsibilty to ask for clarifications. Such a demand is a perfectly reasonable one too. Please dont vilify me as comunal or bigotted just because i do not share your admiration for PUCL or nandita haskar. All your arguments seem to be centred on the following premise: PUCL and the nandita haskar led brigade is the de facto secular orgnization. Either one is with them and agrees to whtever they have to say or one is communal and bigotted. Very much like the you are eithe withus or against us Bush doctrine. I proved to you that the broken peace report has one LIE in it regarding the Priol grenade blast. The report carries the following malicious insinuations 1. that Sunaparant and sandesh prabhudesai is communal because it provides column space to velingkar 2. all cross vandalizations as well as mosque desecrations have been carried out by Sangh parivar sympathisers/activists. The above assertions are not only malafide and highly biased but are also unproven in any established court of law. By the same logic is every temple burglary carried out by muslims? if you remember a huge hue and cry was raised regarding the bomb explosions in a vasco church and all the righteous noises about the RSS and Jp being comunal were made, but it was proven to be the handi work of some non goan muslims associate with the SIMI. No one thought it fit to apologise to the sangh parivar for having blamed them needlessly. Further more i raised some issues regarding the Solapur riots report. You have conveniently chosen not to reply to any of those issues. As a senior journalist , frankly I expected a lot more from you after having read some of yur previous posts. I had in fact mentioned in my first post that Vidhyadhar can choose to answer my questions or can villify me as a communal or a sangh parivar stooge. Sadly you have done exactly that! -vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa... the simple life
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Riza, studying in the third standard at Lourdes Convent in Saligao, doesn't have much patience (yet) to read, leave alone write or type. But she does like to 'dictate' to me some of her blog entries. Kindly visit http://rizagoa.blogspot.com and leave your comments behind. She is specially thrilled when children from other areas leave some comments on what she writes (as would anyone else, I guess). She was thrilled when Colin (8yrs) wrote in from Australia, in response to a post about a circus she had visited in Mapusa. While I egg her on with questions and suggested topics, I try to retain her language... and sometimes the cute errors and thought-patterns that creep in from an almost eight-year-old's perspective. FN A visit to Colvale My father told me that Colvale is the last village of Bardez before you reach Pernem. We went to a church in the village, which is near the riverside. We saw some crabs, and my brother was screaming because he was very happy, like a little imp. Colvale is a nice riverside village, where you can play and all. We bought some nice 'chakli' from Colvale and we liked it very much. We went to a quiet side and saw a boat. There was a long stick. It was a big one but didn't look hard at all. My brother was breaking some pieces of the stick and throwing it in the water. He was having such good fun at Colvale. We left at 6.30 and reached at 7 o'clock sharp. Then we went to Florentine and got some chicken cafreal. My brother was very happy. But the chicken was very spicy. Me and my mama ate the chicken, but it was too spicy for my brother. If any of you want to go to Colvale, you'll might a very good time there. * * * * * The beautiful fields in Goa [PHOTO: Fields in Goa] We have many fields in Goa, in front of people's houses. Fields are very important. Children go in the water, and some children play in the water. In the monsoon season, they also get baby fishes and snails. The children collect it. The children love the fields. For big people it also has a use. The big people grow their paddy. And the big people also collect snails to eat. A field is very important. In front of house, there is a field. The dogs run and play in it. I will name three dogs -- Pretinho, Blacky and Sultan. In the evening or afternoon, they run in the field and play. They must be running in the morning also, but I never see them because I'm at school. That's why fields are so important. The ending of my story: the fields of Goa are so beautiful and you can get good value from them.Like good-value toys. -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Query about: S.S. Ramdas
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. There are brief reports of the tragedy in The Times (UK) of Jul 18 and 19 1947. However, googling, I came across a fuller description in the Times of India Relief Fund Appeal which is copied below. The account was probably written soon after the disaster. There is no reference to Goa or Goans. It reports that most people on the ship belonged to the lower sections of society living in the Girgaum and Parel. The people in those areas were largely mill workers. The poorer Goans lived in Dobitalao. Moreover the ship was sailing from Bombay to Rewas which is about the same latitude as Pune. Curiously, the wreckage of the ship disappeared after the disaster and resurfaced a decade later Source: The Times of India Relief Fund at http://www.timesrelieffund.com/ramdasship/ramdas.htm Full text: Ramdas Ship Disaster (1947) It is, perhaps, one of the worst shipping disasters off Bombay to date. At 10 a.m. on July 17, 1947, the 406-ton Ramdas sank near Gull Island, ten miles from the Colaba Point. Over 600 of the 700-odd people aboard the ship, which was bound for Rewas, died. According to the master of the ship, Sheikh Suleman Ibrahim, the ship had been streaming ahead at slow speed after leaving at 8.05 a.m., when it was struck by a high swell on the starboard side. All the passengers from this side rushed to the port side, which became overweight and resulted in the ship listing heavily and capsizing within the next two minutes. Strangely, there were no reports of rough weather on the morning of July 17. In fact, the port authorities had no inkling of the tragedy until a few of the survivors swam to safety and reached the Sassoon Docks and related the news at 3 p.m. After a two-day search operations by a fleet of naval, Port Trust and mercantile vessels rounded up about 155 survivors. According to reports, most people travelling aboard Ramdas belonged to the lower sections of society living in the Girgaum and Parel areas of Bombay. Although an extensive search was launched by Port authorities no wreckage was found immediately after the disaster. However, a decade later, the wreckage resurfaced on its own at Ballard Pier off Bombay Coast. In order to help families who had to deal with the twin tragedies of losing their dear ones as well as suffer economic hardships due to the loss of their bread-winner, The Times of India Relief Fund set up a special fund to collect donations for their benefit. The Governor of Bombay also contributed Rs. 1,000 to the fund, which was disbursed between government and local agencies involved in relief operations. Photographs at http://www.timesrelieffund.com/ramdasship/ramdas.htm Eddie Fernandes === Can anybody shed further light and take this discussion forward with Arnold? Thank you - bosco On 31/07/06, Arnold Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Frederick: At the outset of the 1949 monsoons (If I remember correctly) , a passenger ship plying between Bombay and Goa went down in a terrible storm. The apparently overloaded vessel sank off the Western coast, tragically drowning hundreds if not thousands returning to Bombay after their May vacations. Could anyone in your editorial staff or readership shed further light on this terrible calamity at sea? Regards Arnold ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] World Goa Day origins some brief history
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Frederick \FN\ Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George, tell us how Goa Sudharop and others can take this concept [WGD] forward. Dear Fred, Since Aug 20 is almost upon us, a quick possibility for this year to make WGD meaningful: Jose Colaco suggested a few months ago that WGD could remember/celebrate Abbe Faria this year, his 250th anniversary. I would urge Goan organizations to go to the website created by Dom Martin at http://www.abbefaria.com/ and: 1. Sign the petition as it can still get the Indian authorities to commemorate Abbe Faria with a stamp. 2. Print Abbe Faria's bio as a flyer and distribute to those in attendance or in the newsletter. 3. Perhaps have a discussion about the man. 4. It may be too late to purchase the video from Cecil Pinto/Isabel Santa Rita Vas, otherwise that could be shown. I am assuming the video is available for purchase. This is only a suggestion. Goans could so something similar for any other noteworthy Goan instead. Btw, Goa Sudharop remembered Abbe Faria at a function on June 25 this year and the audience was very appreciative. Almost everyone came up and said to me that they never heard of him and were thankful for the information. Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] LETTER OF APPRECIATION -
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. 01/08/2006 Smt Sonia Gandhi M.P. President 10 Janpath NEW DELHI Fax : +91 011 23018651 Thro' a) GPCC President Indian National Congress Mr Ravi Sitaram Naik MLA b) AICC General Secretary,Ms Margaret Alva ex MP SUB: Official recognition to KONKANI (Roman script) MARATHI Respected Madam, The bold move of your Indian National Congress Party Legislators in Goa on 31st July, 2006 on the language/script issue (Marathi and Roman script) is well taken and appreciated. If there is no vocal or written expression of this appreciation thus far it is only because there is no official communiqué yet from the Goa Government. However rest assured that the votaries to this amendment to the Goa Daman Diu Official language Act 1987 will accept this as an excellent decision slowly but surely and make it popular to Goans world wide. Efforts will also be made to dispel the myths that surrounded the language controversy since 1985. For once Goans can rest assured that the divisive forces will be put at rest and the uniqueness of Goan Identity will be strengthened. In particular it must be placed on record that this political move, coming on the concluding day of the monsoon session of the Goa Legislative Assembly was indeed a Master stroke of our Chief Minister Mr Pratapsing Raoji Rane to snub critics and opportunists and undo the injustice of 19 years. People of Goa now await formalizing the further steps to pursue these decisions to its logical conclusion. For a start an ordinance would be in order to place the decision on the statute and finally passed at the next session but before the Panchayat polls and State Assembly polls. Best wishes to self and your party colleagues. With kind regards, SD/- GODFREY J I GONSALVES social activist 1st Flr Hillside Apts St Joaquim Rd P.O. Fatorda 403 602 Borda Margao Goa[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 9822158584 __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] World Goa Day origins some brief histor
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. It's really unfortunate that we're having this dispute over who started World Goan Day and how. In my books, George Pinto is a great guy, not given to petty bickering. Likewise, Rene is also well-intentioned, even if sometimes he makes himself the target of pot-shots because of the high-profile he has. Both have contributed vastly to networking Goans and building positive initiatives for the wider community. May I make a personal appeal to all sides concerned to put their back on this, look to the future, and work together to achieve more? Rene, it would be nice if the efforts of the past be acknowledge. After all, all of us like to be remembered for what we have done. But we need to look to the present and future; the past is just a memory (even if it's an important one at that). George, tell us how Goa Sudharop and others can take this concept forward. For once, let's all abandon our we're-Goans-so-we-can't-help-infighting policy :-) No offence meant to either side. FN On 03/08/06, George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a brief overview. In 1999, I was President of the Goan Institute of San Francisco and met Filomena Giese in connection with the canonization cause of Blessed Vaz (as of today, Goa does not still have native Goan saint even after 500 years of Catholic tradition). During our conversations she mentioned that in 1994, she had tried to start Goa Sudharop with a few others but it did not take off then. She asked if I would be interested in doing something. I explained to her that I was extremely disappointed that Goan organizations around the world (especially the USA, UK, -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Generalization of �. questions
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I have no idea why this Joe Vaz character keeps copying and pasting repeatedly the following link of someone else's response from an exchange 3 years ago: Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whereas, in a post from the Goanet archieves: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2003-July/003514.html If anybody sees any contradiction between what I said in my quoted posts upthread and downthread at that time, and what I say now (in my quoted excerpt below), please let me know. This Joe character's logic and understanding is incomprehensible to me. Here are the links to my quoted upthread post and downthread response at that time: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2003-July/003511.html http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2003-July/003518.html As would be clear from the above links, the assertion that I was referring to was the following: Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light. And I was stating that the second part of this quoted (above) assertion was a scientific fact. In other words, cold without heat or darkness without light is a scientific fact. Most sensible people would recognize that I am not responsible for other people's misunderstanding of my writings. Cheers, Santosh --- Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it might be worthwhile to generalize Aristo's questions regarding religious beliefs and ask the following question to everybody, especially to those who are perceived to be self-righteous and comptemptuous of other people's views in this forum: Santosh Helekar writes: There are many God-fearing people who have turned out to be evil, and many Godless people who are nothing but good. The second part of the above assertion is a scientific fact. [Pat wrote: Satosh, can you please prove that the second assertion is a scientific fact?] -- I agree with Pat. Santoshs argument that the second part of his above assertion is a scientific fact (?)is a claim as convincing as those three blind men and the elephant. :) Passing off opinions as facts (such as the above second assertion to be a scientific fact) has by and large become a norm in this forum. Best wishes, Joe Vaz ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Myths about ancient and modern societies
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Gilbert wrote: I am a bit tired of Goanetters who preach one thing (to appear intellectual) and personally practice another philosophy. I do hope you and others do not reap what you preach. Yet it is useful to remember that a seed does not fall far from the tree. Gilbert, Almost everything you have written in response to the data that I provided in reply to your own request, is inconsequential, erroneous or trite (Please see the above quote for example). I will just point out some misrepresentations and misconceptions in it. You started by saying you were not going to respond to innuendo (good). Then you went on to provide a whole bunch of innuendos (not good). In supplying the statistics, you intermixed the US data with India data. The latter appeared to be a combination of contemporary data with what existed 100 years ago (grandmother's era). I suspect you dont understand the meaning of the word innuendo. Please look it up in a standard English dictionary. Your assertion that I mixed Indian data with U.S. data is utterly bogus. I only provided U.S. data. I do not have access to Indian data as yet. The statements regarding my grandmother and great grandmother were made because you asked for information about India, and what I have stated is common knowledge among Indians. They are also pertinent facts with regard to morality because child-marriage is now regarded as inappropriate, immoral and abusive. As an example you refer to US data on teen-age mothers (likely school dropouts) who have children out of wedlock (some with multiple fathers) living in single parent homes surviving on the government's safety net. This is compared (favorably) to our (Indian) grandmother's social structure where the young girls were married and living in a joint-family system with an immense amount of near and extended family and social support system. Pure garbage. I have made no such comparison. I provided actual numbers only for the U.S. You also find a good similarity of single-parent homes (mistakenly termed single family homes) due to divorce in modern society to widowed parents in traditional societies. Hogwash. There are widowed parents in all societies. Divorce is also present in all societies. Some old religions have allowed divorce (indeed, made it easy to obtain a divorce) for the past hundreds of years e.g. Islam. In the U.S., according to the 2001 census, 10.6% of the women are currently widowed and 10.8% divorced. I did not include rape etc as a separate end-point because I had to stop somewhere to make it easier on you. Sorry that the actual numbers I provided are harder for you to digest. Sorry for making things uncomfortable for you. Yet that and other social situations would be reflected under prison population. This statistic (per thousand population) is much higher in the modern / western world that in traditional societies. Nonsense. The incarceration rates are much lower for all other western or technologically advanced countries. U.S. is an exception. Here are the incarceration rates for several developed countries. U.S. 714 per 100,000 population Canada 116 per 100,000 population England and Wales 142 per 100,000 population France 91 per 100,000 population Germany 96 per 100,000 population Spain 140 per 100,000 population Netherlands 123 per 100,000 population Denmark 70 per 100,000 population Norway 65 per 100,000 population Sweden 75 per 100,000 population Japan 58 per 100,000 population Australia 117 per 100,000 population - These are February 2005 numbers obtained from the International Centre for Prison Studies Kings College London School of Law (Sunith Velho had nothing to do with this information). So with due respects, using your pro-science and logical bent, your comparative statistical conclusions, have little meaning. You have on purpose chosen to make sarkem goddxem zalam. Gilbert, Do you remember that the numbers I provided were requested by you? Are you now disappointed that they do not support your case? Contrary to your understated numbers, in contemporary western societies, the divorce rates is close to 50% of all marriages. A bogus assertion even from the standpoint of the U.S. The numbers I obtained were from a graph provided by the U.S. Census Bureau and National Center for Health Statistics. The commonly misreported and misconceived 50% value refers to the annual
[Goanet] Thought for Today
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Calmness increases efficiency. Silence increases effectiveness. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] secular initiative: Freds response ...or rather the lack of it!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Your arguments are filled with misleading statements and untruths. That's why I am concerned about the fact that you hide behind a pseudonym while spreading all this propaganda. On 03/08/06, Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I proved to you that the broken peace report has one LIE in it regarding the Priol grenade blast. You didn't prove anything. There is no reference to Priol. There is a reference to Mardol. QUOTE The attacks on mosques have been violent including setting on fire a mosque at Porvorim during the Ramzan month and burning of the pages of the Quoran some three years back; a hand grenade was thrown at the mosque in Mardol, Ponda and the floor mats were set on fire; and Muslims were made to abandon a mosque in Sanquelim. Our team was not able to investigate into all these incidents in our brief visit but we have documented some incidents of discrimination and violence. UNQUOTE While you could quibble over what the police in BJP-ruled Goa treated this incident as, would you disagree with the overall message of the text above? As I have posted earlier, the hate-campaign against Muslims in Goa probably involves even more incidents than recorded by the fact-finding committee lead by Nandita Haksar. The report carries the following malicious insinuations 1. that Sunaparant and sandesh prabhudesai is communal because it provides column space to velingkar That's not what it said. The exact quote is below: OPENQUOTE According to Ramesh Gauns, schoolteacher and long term fighter for secular values, the Hindutva lobby has organized a base in both the pro-Marathi and pro-Konkani supporters. Subhash Velingker a spokesman for Marathi always delivers his speeches in Konkani. Moreover, he has a regular column in the only Konkani daily, Sonaprant. Unfortunately, the editor of Sonaprant claims he is both secular and leftist. But many Goans, including Ramnath G Naik, and Dr Pratap Naik, S. J.have expressed their concern about the growing communalization of their society because of the language issue have expressed their anger at the Editor for publishing the vicious anti-Catholic and anti-Muslim articles by Subhas Verlingker. Father Pratap Naik, a linguist and in charge of the Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr wrote to Ms Sonia Gandhi informing her that the Sonaprant which is owned by Dattaraj Salgaoncar, mine owner and staunch Congress supporter, was sowing seeds of communalism and linked it to the violence in Sanvordem- Curchorem. We are enclosing his letter as Annexure A CLOSEQUOTE 2. all cross vandalizations as well as mosque desecrations have been carried out by Sangh parivar sympathisers/activists. Here is what I found the report to say. The report does not state which Vivek says it states above.It merely mentions the facts. Incidentally, the cross vandalisations mentioned below refer to a period when the Congress ruled Goa (which could also be taken as an indictment of the Congress for not being able to act effectively on this front): OPENQUOTE: The Sangh Parivar supplements its ideological work with vandalizing historical monuments in the name of cultural nationalism. They attacked the festival organized by the Goa Heritage Action Group for promoting Portuguese culture. They called the organizers Pakhleancheput ... They vandalized the Tonca memorial put up to commemorate the construction of a road from Panjim to Dona Paula. The Hindutva goons tried to remove the inscriptions. There have been increasing incidents of vandalization of Catholic crosses.C B Vaz of Assolna has calculated that with the vandalization of the cross at Combo, Margao the number of catholic places of worship that are being damaged, robbed and vandalized has arisen to 14 since February 2005. CLOSEQUOTE The above assertions are not only malafide and highly biased but are also unproven in any established court of law. You are building 'men of straw' as arguments, misquoting the report, and then demolishing those arguments! Like criminal-politicians, the communal-lobby has also often argued that nothing has been proven in a couirt of law. This is a fact-finding mission. It's job is to present the facts, as it sees it and to the best of its ability, to the citizen and the people. In my view, it did a rather useful job. Just a few lacunae in the report cannot be used as an excuse to discredit it. I think Nandita Haksar and team have done well in highlighting the
Re: [Goanet] World Goa Day origins some brief histor
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Interesting... George, as usual, makes some useful points. What would others suggest as ways to make World Goa Day more meaningful? Rene, we take your silence as a promise that you will settle the issue of origins of this day (and give credit where it's due) at the earliest possible occasion... but not so early that it derails this year's event :-) Some questions to everyone, just to ponder about (and debate endlessly, as is our wont as Goans!): How can the organisers involve more people in such an event? How can an event such as this cut across the traditional divides that have split Goans into eight or twelve different communities -- by community, caste, geography, gender etc? How do we celebrate that which is relevant to us all, instead of only getting caught up in highly negativist perspectives (whether it's about foreigners grabbing our land or migrants coming to take our jobs and boost crime here)? It's probably time for those interested to actively work to shed this image (actually, it's true!) of Goans never being able to get their act together, being very much prone to infighting, and being big talkers and poor do-ers. We at Goanet Admin have tried to take a supportive stance towards this event, even if there are some thorny issues that probably need to be ironed out before it can move further on. So Goanetters, just go ahead and tell us what you can do to mark this day, even if there's no Goan community around you, or you're 16ish and hate the style your parents traditionally celebrate their Goanity, you lack fluency in Konkani (for no fault of your own), or are stuck somewhere in Antarctica (thank goodness that Helga and Joaquim are back home!) Just some suggestions. Everyone's addition to this list is welcome: 1. Review a book related to Goa (preferably one you didn't publish), and circulate it online. 2. Buy a book by a Goan author. 3. Share a (preferably low-cholesterol) Goan recipe through cyberspace. 4. Try to understand something about a religion from Goa other than your own. 5. Start to build an alumni institution for your school in Goa (or the diaspora) 6. Write or edit an e-book related to Goa (it could be published someday). 7. Say good things about 10 Goans you know (don't forget others too). 8. Invest in a village magazine-library of your choice -- it's a long-term investment! 9.Volunteer to build Goa-related information on http://en.wikipedia.org 10. Introduce someone you know to Goanet. [The last one was a commercial, as in advertising for something one is involved with. But we need that too!] And let's keep reminding Rene about implementing his footballs-for-Goan-kids idea (and what was the other one he mentioned?) --FN PS: The list is obviously biased with my interests in mind. But others could have lists with their own perspectives. PPS: I'm really not very chauvinistic about being a Goan, and believe it to be an accident of birth. In my next life, I would probably (and going by probability too) be a good candidate for being a non-Goan myself. Yet, it's nice, and warm and fuzzy, to identify with any grouping, and help build social capital. But can we do this without having to say derogatory and nasty things about The Other (i.e. people who are not us)? On 03/08/06, George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Aug 20 is almost upon us, a quick possibility for this year to make WGD meaningful: Jose Colaco suggested a few months ago that WGD could remember/celebrate Abbe Faria this year, his 250th anniversary. I would urge Goan organizations to go to the website created by Dom Martin at http://www.abbefaria.com/ and: 1. Sign the petition as it can still get the Indian authorities to commemorate Abbe Faria with a stamp -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goa... the simple life
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 03/08/06, Frederick FN Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Riza, studying in the third standard at Lourdes Convent in Saligao, doesn't have much patience (yet) to read, leave alone write or type. But she does like to 'dictate' to me some of her blog entries. Kindly visit http://rizagoa.blogspot.com and leave your comments behind. . A visit to Colvale My father told me that Colvale is the last village of Bardez before you reach Pernem. We went to a church in the village, which is near the riverside. We saw some crabs, and my brother was screaming because he was very happy, like a little imp. Colvale is a nice riverside village, where you can play and all. We bought some nice 'chakli' from Colvale and we liked it very much. We went to a quiet side and saw a boat. There was a long stick. It was a big one but didn't look hard at all. My brother was breaking some pieces of the stick and throwing it in the water. He was having such good fun at Colvale. We left at 6.30 and reached at 7 o'clock sharp. Then we went to Florentine and got some chicken cafreal. My brother was very happy. But the chicken was very spicy. Me and my mama ate the chicken, but it was too spicy for my brother. If any of you want to go to Colvale, you'll might a very good time there. RESPONSE: Very talented your daughter! Sure she will make a fine writer in time !! Already showing literary skills... -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] SS Ramdas
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The posting by Gilbert Menezes related the story of the capsizing of the SS Ramdas. This occured in 1947 NOT 1949. I distinctly remember the year and the incident, as our family was in India on home leave from British East Africa and I was all of 8 years old. The capsizing was big news at the time. I still remember the older folks discussing how the ship capsized. Some said that all the passengers rushed to one side of the ship and that caused it to capsize. Although I was very small, the story is clear in my mind, as I was terrified about taking the ship from Goa to Bombay after that incident. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Only konkani....
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The vexed language issue has resurfaced on the Goan horizon, again threatening to divide Goan society, which has lived a peaceful co-existence since pre- liberation, on communal basis as it did nearly 20 year ago. Seeing this peaceful co-existence firsthand, the late Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru had appealed to the people of a freshly liberated Goa to always maintain their unique identity amidst mainstream India as Goa had a lot to teach the rest of India on communal harmony. However, today there is a potential time-bomb set ticking by unscrupulous politicians for very selfish gains in the form of script issue regarding the official language of the state. These hedonistic forces are out to destroy Goa and Goans by a great communal divide. Hence, my brethren BEWARE! Goa is geographically, historically, genetically and culturally an integrated part of the konkan region and obviously the mother tongue in this konkan region is Konkani which is written either in Devanagiri or Romi depending on the manner in which Konkani is spoken in that region. This is an undisputed fundamental truth and has no nexus whatsoever with religious sentiments of the people of the region. However, the partisan forces actively at work in the state, operating in a subtle manner, have twisted the script issue to such illogical conclusions that they have very slyly brought on the Marathi language which is a language of the Maratha region and are trying to project the same as the official language of Goa. This is a paradox as the language of the Marathas cannot be claimed to be the mother tongue of the Konkani?s of Goa. Agreed that the Maratha region having common boundaries and historical links with the Konkan region, there is an overlap and integration of cultures of both regions. If Marathi should be the official language of Goa of the Konkan region, then it would be justifiable to make Konkani the official language in Maharashtra of the Maratha region. This is taking the language imbroglio to its logical conclusion. We, the people of Goa, had fought a war with divisive forces twenty years ago on the language issue and justifiably Konkani was made the official language of Goa after due deliberations. Konkani is the sole official language of the State of Goa in both it?s variants ? Devanagiri Romi. Ciao, SAVIKA ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] First ever Certificate 'A' Tiatr - Grant Road
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. O papagaio canta e berra. The parrot sings and bawls. JoeGoaUk wrote: Thanks for the Grant Road Info, which I know for the first time that it was named after Sir Robert Grant.. I remember watching the Tiatr 'Grant Road' but I don't think it was 'A' certificate. Later on, I also remember, another Tiatr by the same Director 'Papa ega e canta e bero' which was not as popular as 'Grant Road' ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] SEZ ......- organising a meeting/Edwin (2) from Mario Gouveia
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- flower2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, First of all, I only came up with the suggestion of a meeting because there were strong feelings and ideas on development expressed by members of the Goanet. These ideas in my opinion, needed to be examined and distilled into a well thought out, workable blueprint which would constitute a vision for tiny Goa, along with a roadmap that would look after practical aspects of implementation. Then, this group I thought could lobby it with the Government of the day and really do something concrete for Goa. Since I put it on the net, I thought that I would get genuinely interested people, and then do the rest. The moment we join with a political party, then the reigning powers that be look upon the endeavour with suspicion and make our job even more difficult. But if this group idea fructifies, then Floriano, who is a very good friend of mine, and whom I admire for his commitment to Goa and its welfare, is most welcome to join with us. However, the chances of this group forming do not seem too bright since there has not been even one response of resident Goans. But thank you for your suggestions. Mario replies: Edwin, Now that I understand your thinking better, I think your offer makes sense. I will do what I can to generate interest among local Goans, just as I tried to do for Valmiki, Melinda and Chandrasekharan in the road safety issue. Even in the issue of road safety, which is immediate, real and life threatening, the activists seem to be having problems getting people to join. The issue of appropriate economic development is far more complex, nebulous and controversial, and the ones actually risking their money may have their own ideas. These things take time, because it is far easier for people to bloviate behind a keyboard than to actually expose themselves and their ideas in public and run up against the real world. So, I would encourage you to not get discouraged and to keep the door open. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Subject: Generalization of . questions
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whereas, in a post from the Goanet archieves: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2003-July/003514.html Santosh Helekar writes: There are many God-fearing people who have turned out to be evil, and many Godless people who are nothing but good. The second part of the above assertion is a scientific fact. Mario observes: While I didn't need science to tell me that many Godless people are nothing but good, it is the first part of the assertion that needs to be examined under normal rules of logic and common sense. I believe that EVIL people exist among both the Godless [the Godless EVIL are not mentioned in the excerpt above] and among members of morally based groups, but what stretch of logic would conclude that the evil ones in the latter group fear God? If they truly understood the moral code they had subscribed to and God's consequences, then any assertion that they feared God while committing their evil would be a non sequitur. Perhaps the use of the phrase turned out to be is where the answer lies, i.e. they appeared to be God fearing to an observing atheist, but they turned out not to be. This is a facile mistake to deliberately make, especially by recent converts to atheism, as the strenuous attempts to cast Hitler, Stalin and the Mafioso as Christians would indicate, while, at the same time denying that the atheist converts on Goanet who grew up Christian or Hindu are NOT Christians or Hindus. What none of us will never know is which of the evil ones returned to their God fearing position in time to meet their maker and expressed sufficient and real remorse for their evil and asked for forgiveness. This is the benefit, after all, of having a formal moral code to return to. However, unlike their previous God-fearing posture, this one better be real, because it is the one that counts. Of course, if the atheists turn out to be right, it will all be moot:-)) ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Language Controversy - Press Statement for kind publication
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The Goa Su-Raj Party has been watching the language imbroglio for some time and would like to break its silence on the issue in the aftermath of the CLP's (Congress Legislature Party) reported decision to accord 'Official Status to Marathi along with the official status for Roman script for Konkani as demanded by the Romi Lippi protagonists. The Party would like go on record of stating as under:- 1.That 'Marathi' is the language of Maharashtra. 2. That Marathi is not the mother tongue of Goans or any section of Goans. 3. The recent agitation by Goa's 'Romi Lippi' protagonists (culminating in the 'Tiatrist Fraternity' giving ultimatum to the Goa government to include Roman Script in sec 2(c) of the Goa Daman Diu Official Language Act, 1987) was just limited to the inclusion of Roman script alongside the Devnagri script. 4. How the decision to accord recognition to a particular script be equated to giving recognition and equal status to Marathi with the mother tongue of Goans is not at all understood, nor is it explained on what authority the CLP arrogates to itself the power to resurrect an issue which is already dead. The recent agitation by the Marathi lobby was against the introduction of the English language as a subject in the Marathi medium schools and not for asking for the official status for Marathi in Goa. This decision by the 'CLP' is mischievous and is meant to create turmoil within the Goan society in the same manner that the then Congress president of the Goa Congress unit Mrs. Sulochana Katkar raised the issue of Marathi language when the demand by Konkani protagonists for Official status was put forward. She, along with the Congress Party, was totally responsible in awakening the Marathi lobby which after the 'opinion poll' had not pursued the issue for the recognition of Marathi as the other Official language of Goa. 5. The present Congress party in Goa is composed of many elements which at one time were the pillars in the Maharastrawadi Gomantak Party which spearheaded the demand for the merger of Goa into Maharashtra, thereby seeking to destroy the unique identity of Goans. Today, the same elements, having left the Maharashtrawadi Gomantak Party's sinking ship to join and gain ascendance in the Congress Party, are now bent upon bringing hordes of Maharashtrians into Goa through equal recognition of the Marathi language to compensate for having not succeeded in merging Goa into Maharashtra. On the one hand we have the Congress led government making promises that the industries being set-up in Goa will employ Goans. On the other hand we have the BJP justifying the unrest in Goa (as witnessed through the Savordem-Curchorem riots), lulling the Goan public into believing that all of them have interests of Goans at heart. Both these parties are 'snakes in the grass' as is apparent from the present move, which more than anything else, will sound the death knell of the Goan identity and ethos, thereby achieving their hidden agenda which is the common aim of the BJP and the mergerists, namely , that of destroying the culture that defines Goans in general. 5. The precedent of seeking to make Marathi the official language of Goa, if carried out, will also give to the other settlers such as the Kanadigas; the Biharis; etc., a few generations from now, the right to demand the same privileges in Goa as the one sought to be given to the Marathi language. 6. In this moment of deep crisis, the repercussions of which not yet been fully understood by bonafide Goans, the Goa Su-Raj Party urges and exhorts all Goans, not only in Goa but also Goans all over the world, to register their vociferous protests against this malafide and dangerous move by the Congress led coalition government in Goa, irrespective of their religious beliefs and political preferences, NOW, before it is too late. Sd/- Floriano C. Lobo Spokesperson Goa Su-Raj Party. Ph. 2470223; (m) 9422060347 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Portugal Revisitado
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. CENTRO DE LÍNGUA PORTUGUESA/ INSTITUTO CAMÕES GOA-ÍNDIA Portugal Revisitado: um país de tradições O CLP/ Instituto Camões divulgará aspectos diversos da realidade portuguesa mostrando documentários e fotografias nos dias 4 e 5 assim como nos dias 11 e 12 de Agosto. Estes documentários mostrarão aspectos culturais do Portugal actual. Portugal é, hoje em dia, um país desenvolvido e moderno, sendo a língua portuguesa uma das mais faladas no mundo. A língua e a literatura portuguesas, dispondo de grandes poetas como Luís de Camões e Fernando Pessoa, foram consagradas em 1998 com o prémio Nobel atribuído a José Saramago. Os diversos monumentos ou núcleos de património mundial proporcionam um contacto com os 800 anos de cultura imbuídos na população portuguesa. Serão mostradas fotografias durante uma pequena palestra introdutória. 1 Portugal Moderno (4 de Agosto) 2 Madeira, paraíso tropical (5 de Agosto) 3 Portugal e o Desporto: vivências do Mundial 2006 (11 e 12 de Agosto) Todos os estudantes de português e interessados são convidados a participar nas sessões que terão lugar no Centro de Língua Portuguesa/ Instituto Camões em Panaji, das 18.00 às 19.30. Portugal Revisited: a country of traditions CLP/ Instituto Camões-Goa, will be showing two documentaries and photos about Portugal on Friday and Saturday, 4th. 5th. and 11th 12th. of August. These documentaries will show different cultural aspects of Portugal in the present days. Portugal today is a developed and modern country, being Portuguese one of the most spoken languages in the world. In this land of many poets, including Luís de Camões and Fernando Pessoa, Portuguese literature and language won further renown in 1998 with the Nobel Prize award to author José Saramago. The country's diverse monuments and heritage sites are a great place to strike up an acquaintance with the 800 year of culture imbued in Portugals people. Photos will be shown during an introductory talk. 1 Modern Portugal ( 4th. August ) 2 Madeira, Tropical Paradise ( 5th. August ) 3 Portugal and Sports: experiencing the World Cup 2006 ( 11 12th. August ) All are invited to participate in these sessions that will be held at the premises of the Centro de Língua Portuguesa/ Instituto Camões in Panaji (AGVA HOUSE, Dr. Dada Vaidya Rd.)from 06.00 p.m. to 07.30 p.m. Centro de Língua Portuguesa/ Instituto Camões AGVA HOUSE, 9/32 Dr. Dada Vaidya Road, Panaji-403001 GOA-ÍNDIA Tel: 00-91-832-6647737 «» E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] SEZ and walmart
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Walmart(and other behemoth retailers) destroy local economies,local culture as well as local environment. Mario responds: Vivek, You have now trodden into something I am familiar. As a student and businessman I have been observing the advent and growth of super stores and spermarkets for decades. The only reason I mention this is that I have heard it all before. There has always been resistance from those who have something to lose, mainly unions and small competitors unable or unwilling to compete, and joyful acceptance from the rest of the population who benefit considerably from lower prices as the dynamic US economy adjusts and flexes to changing conditions, but marches inexorably forward. Inspite of all the same old dire warnings, which I was surprised to see you repeat, some small stores have gone out of business, while others have found ways to compete, usually not on price, but on service and convenience, which the huge stores are short on. Small convenience stores are flourishing on almost every street corner in every American city. Guess who owns a significant number of them? Indian and Arab immigrants with the classic can-do American attitude. You say, Walmart (and other behemoth retailers) destroy local economies, local culture as well as local environment. Sounds plausible in static theory, but rarely materializes in practice. Since Walmart came on the scene the US economy has more than doubled and the unemployment rate is down below 5%. The local environment? Everyone is required to follow the same environmental standards as everyone else. Stores like Walmart are usually ahead of the game, anticipating the critics, and giving them one less thing to criticize. What you are quoting is the official union line, not that of consumers - whom I think represent the local economy and local culture far better than the dwindling number of union members. Consumers flock to Walmarts across the country, not to mention Walmart's low frills first cousin, Sam's Club, and competitors like Cosco. Others who have figured out the new global economy, are booming as well. For example, Target Stores, Kohls, Value City, Best Buy, Circuit City, Home Depot, Lowe's, Menard's, etc. The one's struggling to keep up are the champions of yesteryear like Sears and K-Mart, and perhaps some smaller stores that are unable to compete any more, just like buggy makers and whip makers and farriers of a previous era. These move on to do something else. Vivek writes: The walmart that u see outside of your window will probably be a huge empty box once Walmart has realised its ROI. That is not planned development, that is called urban sprawl. Please dont confuse that with planned development. Mario observes: Anything is possible, but I wonder how you calculated that probability, Vivek? A retail store becomes an empty box not because they have realized their ROI, but because they are failing to do so. There are many such companies that dot the business landscape in the US. Economist Joeseph Schumpeter called it creative destruction - in with the new, out with the old. This is the principle that distinguishes the US from old Europe and other traditional countries. The US economy has no tolerance for obsolete business models. In the US it's considered a good thing, not necessarily for the owners and employees of course, but for everyone else who make up the majority of the population. Why do you think President Bush encourages outsourcing and opposes protectionism? Responsible for the entire country, he knows what most of us prefer. The choice of low prices with less service, or higher prices with more service and convenience. The providers of these choices co-exist. Regarding urban sprawl, neither Walmart nor anyone else can build a single store in the US without first receiving approval from the local Zoning Board, which is required by law to maintain the urban planning standards established for that community? This is no longer the wild west, you know. We have local elected politicians who intervene in these things, for our benefit:-)) If they mess up, we throw the rascals out at the next election. Vivek writes: 2. Your assertion that walmart and others are welcomed by americans is also open to debate. The poll that i quoted as well as one conducted by university of Mass at lowell found out that
