[Goanet-news] Goa news for August 4, 2006
Happy Birthday: St Britto's, which is 60 years old. Celebrations at St Jerome's Church Mapusa 11 am on July 30, 2006. Football match Loyola's vs. Britto's 11 am on July 31, 2006 at the school grounds. http://bmxgoa.com Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Moving beyond malls: Piramal looks at realty options (Business Standard India) The group plans to expand into western India with projects in Goa, Pune and Nagpur. Having exited the countrys first mega mall #148; Crossroads #148; Rajeev Piramal, managing director of Peninsula Land Management, is looking at creating footprints outside the city. http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php? autono=100457leftnm=0subLeft=0chkFlg= *** Goa allots land for pharma, biotech SEZs (Business Standard India) Goa Industrial Development Corporation (GIDC) has allotted more than 12 lakh sq mt land for a pharma special economic zone (SEZ) at Keri in Ponda taluka, and another 6 lakh-plus sq mt for biotech parks. http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c.php? leftnm=11bKeyFlag=INautono=3720 *** Mininig cos to construct bridge in Goa (The Economic Times) PANAJI: Mining companies will join hands to construct a bridge across a river in Goa's mining belt to facilitate the ore transport, officials said. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1844249.cms *** Notices to foreigners in Goa purchasing property (New Kerala) Panaji: The Goa government today issued public notices to foreigners purchasing properties in the state, cautioning them against the violations of Foreign Exchange Management Act (FEMA), 1999. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=1341 *** Goa to set up Film City (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 1: The Goa government plans to set up a film city or film park in the state to provide exposure to local artists and open up new employment avenues, Industries Minister Luizinho Faleiro said today. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=376 *** Mining just got easier in Goa (New Kerala) Panaji: Mining in Goa has just got easier with the state government giving the green signal to the Goa Infrastructure Development Corporation Pvt. Ltd. (GIDC) to build a four-lane bridge across the Usgao-Pale area of North Goa to facilitate the transportation of ore. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=579 *** Beautiful traditional music (Navhind Times) #152;Kandolechim Kirnnam the cultural troupe from Candolim, Bardez, Goa have been participating in the #152;mando competitions organised by the Goa Cultural and Social Centre and have bagged the #152;mando award eleven times for original compositions, as well as the traditional ones. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080827 *** Churchill opposes equal status to Marathi (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 2: Even as protagonists of Roman Konkani, Devanagari Konkani and Marathi are debating the latest decision of the Congress legislative party, the South Goa MP, Mr Churchill Alemao has added his own colour to it by demanding that Marathi should not be given status of official language. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080816 *** Garbage disposal: CCP, other civic bodies get show-cause notices (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 2: The Goa State Pollution Control Board has once again issued show-cause notices to all 13 municipal bodies in the state including the Corporation of the City of Panaji, for not complying to the Solid Waste Management and Handling Rules 2000, which directs them to collect, segregate, treat and dispose of the solid waste generated in their respective jurisdiction. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080817 *** E Bengal agree to release Periyar for India U-20 camp (Navhind Times) Margao, Aug 2: Kolkata giants East Bengal have agreed to release India U-20 player Vimal Periyar for the ongoing camp in Goa for the SAFF football tournament to be held in Sri Lanka from August 16. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=081017 Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet-news mailing list Goanet-news@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-news-goanet.org
[Goanet-news] What's on in Goa... biodiesel demo... scholar loans... breast cancer ... Zai Whitaker
Happy Birthday: St Britto's, which is 60 years old. Celebrations at St Jerome's Church Mapusa 11 am on July 30, 2006. Football match Loyola's vs. Britto's 11 am on July 31, 2006 at the school grounds. http://bmxgoa.com Check updates: http://www.gabbly.com/indialists.org/mailman/listinfo/goajourno TODAYINGOA: FRI 04AUG2006 11 am Interest-free loans to students/scholars, at new secretariat, Porvorim. TODAYINGOA: FRI 04AUG2006 3 PM: Bio-fuel test production at Pilar. CM Pratapsing Rane to visit. UPCOMING EVENTS: Breast cancer awareness prog on 05AUG2006 4.30PM atHotel Nova Goa.Tata Memorial docs to be present. Thanks to Vijay D'Souza for the tip. UPCOMING EVENTS 06AUG06 11 a.m . by Zai Whitaker, who is an author of several children's books including The Boastful Centipede and Other Creatures in Verse, Cobra in my Kitchen, Salim Ali for Schools, Andamans Boy and Kali and the Rat Snake. Literati, Calangute. Diviya Kapur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zai is a teacher and writer. She has worked at the Chennai Snake Park and Crocodile Bank, and at Abacus Montessori School, Chennai. She lived and taught in beautiful Kodaikanal for thirteen years. She is also part of a team that helps women of the Irula tribe of hunter-gatherers and snake catchers. UPCOMING EVENTS: 06AUG2006 Condolence meet for TU leader Narayan Palekar, 3 PM IMB Hall. UPCOMING EVENTS 06AUG2006 10 am Hiroshima Day at 269 Hilltop, Pandavaddo, Chorao Islands. 10 am. Rahul Tripathi, Sabina Martins, Amrut Kansar, Floriano Lobo, Matanhy Saldanha to speak. UPCOMING EVENTS: MON 07AUG2006 Lecture on Right to Info and related matters. Balleshwar Rai, IAS, Chairman, Public Grievances Commission New Delhi and former CS, Goa. Followed by 30 mins QA. Menezes Brag Hall 5 pm. UPCOMING EVENTS: 12AUG06. One-day workshop on Right to Information. 9.30 to 5.30. Kare Law College. Prof Sairam Bhat 9890073039. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph 2715510. Overview of RTI Act, functioning mechanisms, etc. UPCOMING EVENTS: 13AUG2006: Osteoporosis detection camp. St. Andrew's Parish, Vasco da Gama. 10 am. Dr. Wilfred D'Sa as consulting specialist. Register: 9822487832 USEFUL LINK: Goa Education Development Corporation. EDC House, Mezannine Floor, Panjim 2425574 or 75. http://www.gedc.nic.in GOAJOURNOLINK: Nadia Tina Menezes is back in town after a longish (and successful!) stint in Mumbai. 9326020208. USEFUL INFO: Who's who at the Goa University. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoaRTI/message/53 UPCOMING EVENTS: Health Minister Dayanand Narvekar to visit his constituency, hear public grievances Aug 7 aft Aldona panchayat, Aug 9 Soccour and Penha de Franca, Aug 11 Salvador do Mundo. NEWSALERT: GoG announces applications from landholders in 'Special Economic Zones' for industrial purposes will be recommended to the Centre. Details from Directorate of Industries Trade and Commerce, Udyog Bhavan. -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet-news mailing list Goanet-news@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-news-goanet.org
[Goanet-news] Goanet Reader: Troubled Global Village: Nervousness On Both Sides Of The Divide
Happy Birthday: St Britto's, which is 60 years old. Celebrations at St Jerome's Church Mapusa 11 am on July 30, 2006. Football match Loyola's vs. Britto's 11 am on July 31, 2006 at the school grounds. http://bmxgoa.com Troubled Global Village: Nervousness On Both Sides Of The Divide Goa's multiculturalism is now raising an ugly head, laments Vivek Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's Foundation Day at the Mater Dei Institute in Saligao, Goa’s second-oldest English medium school, and a smiling quartet of 11-year olds whirls and bobs to the classic Konkani pop song, 'Juliana'. Their show is part of an annual ritual dating back to 1909, almost a full century of neatly uniformed students strutting their stuff and being rewarded with treats. But examine the picture a little closer, and it's apparent that there's something new happening under the Goan sun. One of the twirling little girls is local, another from North India. The third is European, from Portugal, and in the middle of things is Patharpron (Noon) Kong King, Thai-born, Goa-raised, just one of hundreds of foreign children being brought up and educated in a Goa that's suddenly morphed from sleepy getaway to global tourism hotspot. Cleta Lobo became headmistress of Mater Dei in 1968, at the age of 19, appointed after the death of her father (and school founder), Anicleto FX Lobo. She recalls that there were always one or two foreign students through the hippie era of the 1960s and '70s. That trickle has turned into a flood in the last decade, and storied Mater Dei's student body is now nearly 50 per cent international, with 22 nationalities represented. Lobo used to be charged with instilling conservative values in an almost entirely Goan Catholic student body. Now she deals with problems like racist behaviour directed at a Nigerian student by his European classmates. It's a formidable challenge to integrate students from all over the world into an academic environment that prepares all of them to take the demanding ICSE board exams. But Lobo is unfazed. They come here because we can manage, because we are equipped to deal with them. Goa has surfed the waves of globalisation before. European colonialism kicked into action here first, in 1510, and ended here last, with a chequered 451 years in between. At the end of the sixteenth century, the port capital of Estado da India was bigger and much richer than Paris, London and Lisbon. It attracted travellers and traders from every corner of the known world, bestrode the richest international trading routes ever established, and ruled as capital of a vast maritime empire stretching from Japan to Africa. That heyday faded as fast as it developed, but connections to the outside world remained. Goans poured out of the economically stagnant colony to find employment abroad -- in Portuguese and British Africa, the Far East and Latin America. Mater Dei owes its existence to global Goan aspirations. It provided reliable English-language education to entire generations of Goans with parents working abroad; its graduates include civil servants in every country in the Anglophone sphere. Noon Kong King's parents have no doubts about Mater Dei’s cosmopolitan credentials. Henry Pfeiffer, a German, adopted Noon and her younger sister when he married their mother, Chawee. We are very happy with their education here, he said. It is a better, happier and more mixed environment for them to grow up in than Germany or Thailand. Pfeiffer believes that the girls’ prospects are better in Asia, that an Indian childhood provides a future competitive advantage. Goa offers his small, tight-knit family the twin advantages of great business opportunity and idyllic surroundings. I moved to Goa to retire, actually, he said. But when I had spent some time here I could see that there was money to be made, almost lying there on the ground all around me. It seemed lazy not to simply pick it up. The couple now operates Oriental, a well-established Thai restaurant in Candolim that’s developed a loyal following and a solid reputation for meticulously prepared Thai food. But Oriental is now on the move as a new cadre of moneymen and entrepreneurs have descended on Goa over the past two years. The contract that Pfeiffer had with his landlord has been discarded, and the new owners have plans for serious expansion that don't include him. He's scouting for a new location in a highly constricted marketplace that includes real hordes of competitors, each looking for a piece of the action. As Goa's prospects have risen sky-high, so have accompanying tensions. There's great nervousness on both sides of the insider-outsider divide, feeding
Re: [Goanet] Myths about ancient and modern societies- to Gilbert L. Kevin S.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. NO to all 4 questions. George --- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Do you sincerely believe that Theists (which, since you clearly failed in theology, means those who believe in God, including non-religious Agnostics), ARE MORE LIKELY THAN ATHEISTS to be morally good, or commit less crimes? In other words, are criminals in prisons MORE LIKELY TO BE Atheists? 2) Do you sincerely believe that the world requires more Theists rather than Atheists? 1) Do you believe that Theists are ignorant and everyone should convert to Atheism for the greater good of humanity? 2) Do you intend on enlightening Goanet in the future about how Atheism is better than Theism? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Who's who ... at the Goa University
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Check this post... longish and hence not reposted here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoaRTI/message/53 This information was made available under the Right to Information Act. To join a RTI network in Goa http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goarti FN -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Elizabeth Nice hearing from you. I too lived among Arabs in Mombasa, Kenya for over two decades. Indeed, I taught in an Arab school for five years and had a lot of close Arab friends from College etc. I therefore have a pretty good idea about Arab attitude to sex etc. However, I wanted to go beyond hearsay re rape in Goa in 1961 and Kuwait in 1990. Until I get some hard evidence, I will keep an open mind over the issue. To date, I have been unable to obtain hard evidence but of course, there are lots of repeated rumours. As A. Veronica Fernandes raised the issue, I had hoped for the evidence I seek and am still hopeful it will emerge. I could contact two academics I know well from Kuwait but don't see the urgency to do this. Mario's rant did not provide an iota of hard evidence but just heavily biased hearsay once again. It was therefore a complete waste of time as is so often the case about anything from Mario. Regards Cornel - Original Message - From: Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women Knowing the Arabic culture as I do, I have no doubt whatsoever that rape would have taken place as Iraqis invaded Kuwait, that summer of 1990. Rape is all to common in the Arab Muslim culture, mostly unreported ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Thought for Today
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Never offer the devil a ride. He will always want to be in the driving seat. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] God Day - World Goa Day
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear George, This is just to bring in some of the facts to light, with regards to the subject. The Managing Committee of Goan Welfare Society - Kuwait in their early meeting deliberations after the Liberation of Kuwait came out with this novel idea to bring in the entire Goan Community under one banner by inviting all the Goan Clubs/Organizaitons/Village Associations etc to bring about amity among the Goan fraternity. The experience of Invasion of Kuwait by Iraq was indeed a lesson for us Kuwait Goans to learn. It was also with an intention to join forces to redress our grievances together at various levels in Goa with one Voice. It was unanimously decided to invite all the Organizations for a joint meeting to float the novel idea and to fix a day to rejoice and bring in sweet memories of Goa and Goan life style. The response was unbelievable. Every son of the soil felt the deep warmth and experienced the feeling of being in Goa home away from home. We had invited special guest stars from Goa namely Dilip Chico and Eudes. Dilip was very much reluctant to accept the invitation at first, not knowing where he is heading to. When the genuine colors of GWS were portrayed, the invitation was at once accepted, without a second thought. This was done to add the fresh Goan flavor besides to show those brothers and sisters who had no opportunity to see our rich Goan Heritage. Dilip Chico went on record to say that he never in his life, has ever seen such a unity among the Goans abroad being impressed by the presentation of the cultural programme, including the Mando led by one of our Senior retired Goan banker. Goa Day was well publicized both in the local press and in Goa besides media like Goanet - GoaWorld etc etc. The Managing Committee was instrumental to take every possible care to ensure that no one would take the credit for himself/herself for the success of it to avoid sowing any seeds of divide among the sons of the soil but rather see that due credit goes to every son of the soil who contributed towards it. WE strongly believed at that point in time to call a spade a spade no matter what. The efforts were conjunctive and not individualistic. The cooperation from all quarters was simply amazing. Unity was the hallmark. Our great son Basilio Magno was inspired and instrumental to compose a very special song devoted to Goa Day whcih was sung for the subsequent events. One must give due credit where it is due for sure. It is for sure that at some point in time Rene Barreto was also inspired by this novel idea to bring about the Goans Worldwise hence the inovative idea came forward from him World Goa Day to bring about amity - love- fraternity - harmony among Goans worldwide. GoaWorld leby by Ulysis/Gasper hand done a good job to publicise GWS write-ups and open a special web page. Ulysis is a cool guy non interfering and non controversial son of the soil, a man of few words but a man of action unbias which has been admired silently. Guess every reporter/journalist be that way to maintain the integrity and honesty in reporting. It all depends on the educaiton, culture and background of a person that makes a gentleman. All said and done, Rene Barreto has been doing a fine job having a lot of time at his disposal upon his retirement. His very idea of having links among Goans covering all the regions worldwide is simply great. Wish like minded Goans Goans come together and make this dream a reality not only to build Goa a model place on earth to live, but to presere our rich heritage left behind by our forefathers. WE can streghten politically, economically, culturally etc provided we are acountable to the last paise to the organization to which one belongs and keep away a few anti-social, self centered, prejudiced elements whose intentions are but to destroy our unity fabricating/scandalizing those going ahead and working for noble causes of Goa and Goans. They cannot do any good nor they can see any good being done. Guess these elements are there in evry nook and corner being part of humanity as per my experience and not among Goans alone. Long live Goa and Goans - May World Goa Day live for posterity Regards Wilson Coelho _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
[Goanet] Happy Home Hunting Guide
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Happy Home Hunting Guide A first-person review of a second-edition book By Cecil Pinto This week we review the 2nd Edition of Cecil Pinto's classic tome, House Hunting in Goa. The original 1994 edition met with a tepid response at the time. The 90s building boom was reaching its peak and nobody wanted advice on how to buy a house. All they wanted to know was, In whose name do I make the cheque?. Hideous looking housing and tourist complexes were built with badly designed, un-livable apartments being sold for exorbitant prices to queues of investors who hoped to then sit back and enjoy the benefits of the wonderful rent-back options offered. Except for a few well-managed success stories it just didn't pan out. In the late 90s the inevitable happened and the real estate market collapsed on its own weight. Much too much supply, and no 'real' demand. Most speculators and investors got badly burnt as the value of their apartments almost halved overnight. The bigger builders managed to surf the recession but the later entrants into the building industry had to sell their fancy Esteems and buy second-hand Maruti 800s. It was only after the market collapsed that people reading Cecil's insightful book realized that he had seen it all coming. I quote from Chapter IV of the original 1994 book, Worldwide it has been noticed that a sharp rise in real estate prices is always preceded by a period of hype on the desirability of a particular area and the associated lifestyle. This draws in not only actual consumers but unfortunately also many reckless speculators who then inflate market prices, thus creating a dangerous cycle into which the actual consumer (one who actually resides in the place he purchases) cannot break in because of real costs. Un-inhabited, overrated and exorbitantly priced ghost properties then create a reverse cycle and actual consumers shy away and look elsewhere causing a market collapse. Many times this is not seen as a collapse but rather a self-correction of prices. Never is this more true than today when a second wave of investors and speculators have caused real estate prices in Goa to suddenly sky rocket. The new edition of House Hunting in Goa, has many useful additions but basically retains the informed commonsense approach of its predecessor. Here are some excerpts. Chapter 6, Complex Naming Complexities. The standard format is to have the builder's name (eg. Number Two Builders) followed by a word like Residency, Arcade. Promenade, Plaza, Chambers, Towers, Bhavan, Habitat, Estate etc. Notice the slight 'upwardly mobile' elegant pretentiousness of the suffixes. Similar to alcohol names which too are carefully chosen to make you feel in some way superior, while making your wallet lighter - Aristocrat, Diplomat, Royal Challenge, Imperial Blue Rarely will you find a building complex with a simple suffix such as Domicile, Dwelling, House and definitely not Hut, Hovel, Shack or Shantytown. That would be a first. Think of the slogan possibilities. Number Two Shantytown - the perfect choice for down and out Goans! Number Two Hovels - Get a roof now, you're not getting any richer. Common amenities - Children's Play Area, Community Park, Gardens, Toilets and Wet Waste Disposal Areas all combined into one! Number Two Huts - Economically priced for Goans working in Goa. Now you don't have to sell your child and one kidney to buy a dwelling. In other cases the original property owners agree to a reduced consideration if the complex is named after a particular person. So one can get a tolerable 'Arcanja Arcade' (more for the alliterative effect, since the entire complex does not contain any actual arcades), but what does one do when stuck with a turkey like 'Supreme Bombi Plaza' which is the actual name of a building in Margao. Goan Catholics have this globally unique propensity to name their houses, vehicles and children using a combi-name which consists of parts of the names of various family members. Thus we get a boy named Lubert (Luiza and Albert), a house named Diasons Lac (surname and initials of all family members) and a Maruti Omni van named, and sounding like an Oriental military edifice, Fort-Li (Fortunato and Lira). Fortunately this trend has not yet caught on to housing complexes. I had to actually intervene in Sanvordem and stop a recently married young builder (Lawrence) and his wife
Re: [Goanet] Subject: Generalization of . questions (Correction of Distortion)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. What I wrote 3 years ago in this forum has now been misrepresented two times in this thread. Here is the original full quote of mine whose meaning has been deliberately distorted, and the distortion repeated circulated in this forum out of malice: I wrote 3 years ago: [ Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light. The above assertion is false in many respects. The first part of the assertion is simply a religious belief. It has been shown to be false time and again. There are many God-fearing people who have turned out to be evil, and many Godless people who are nothing but good. The second part of the above assertion is a scientific fact. It has never been shown to be false, and it has been proven true countless number of times.] The above quote is taken from: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2003-July/003511.html Here is my explanation of why like cold without heat or darkness without light is a scientific fact provided at that time in response to a direct question from another gentleman: I wrote 3 years ago: [ Satosh, can you please prove that the second assertion is a scientific fact? Hundreds of scientific experiments have demonstrated that heat is a measure of the motion of molecules, and visible light electromagnetic radiation of a certain range of wavelengths. Both these physical quantities can be objectively measured, and their behavior can be predicted with high precision. If you want to know more about the experiments and mathematics that describe heat and light and their absence, I would be happy to refer you to some very good books.] The above quote is taken from: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2003-July/003518.html The gentleman who asked me that question at time then graciously acknowledged his misunderstanding as follows: [Dear Chimbelcho: Thanks for your gracious response :-) I thought the second part of your assertion concerned many Godless people who are nothing but good: There are many God-fearing people who have turned out to be evil, and many Godless people who are nothing but good. The second part of the above assertion is a scientific fact. Attribute it to my aging process :(] The above quote is taken from: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2003-July/003519.html Cheers, Santosh --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Can a Christian be a Communist?
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Hi Mario,
Firstly, I thank you for your fairly civil reply to my mail, and for
taking my words in the right spirit! Keep it up!
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Mario wrote:
Aristo, If I accused you wrongly in the heat of the debate, I apologize.
Aristo responds:
Apology accepted!
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Mario wrote:
However, having said that, branding communism as deadly and
destructive is nothing but historical fact. Some 50 million dead
Russians, Chinese, Vietnamese and Cambodians would gladly testify to
that, not to mention the millions of miserable east Europeans and
Chinese who suffered massive economic
deprivation until their governments jettisoned communism.
Aristo responds:
Perhaps you are justified in thinking it was a destructive philosophy
from the practical point of view, ie, what communist controlled states
turned out to be. But what I am talking about is the Communist
philosophy, of which people all over the world subscribe to (some who
may have formed political parties that don't really stand a chance),
right from US Canada in the west to Japan in the east. Economics
aside, it is not a destructive philosophy. Sadly, N. Korea, Chinese
and Cuba have self serving dictators, who are not really bothered
about the welfare of the common people.
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Mario wrote:
But how did you miss their incredibly repressive societies with no freedom of
speech or religion or property ownership, and dictatorial suppression
of personal freedoms? Definitely absent from history class:-))
Aristo responds:
You are right. I did forget to mention my distaste for communism's
affiliation with Autocracy with Anarchy in some cases. But Communism
can survive in a democratic setup, but again, that's only when they
are in a minority and have no other option.
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Mario wrote:
Where did you get the quaint notion that communism was egalitarian.
Oh, I know. Because the communists said so, just like the secular
humanists say they are humanist.
Aristo wrote:
It do not think it is written anywhere in the Communist Manifesto
(yea, I had to actually download it and go through it since you love
to refer to it ever so often) that Communism has to be brutal and
repressive. As per the philosophy, Communism IS egalitarian in nature.
What you refer to is the deviants, but I am talking about peaceful and
well intentioned Communists of today. Even the Keralite Communists of
yesterday are proof of the egalitarian ideals of Communism. However, I
do not subscribe to the means of obtaining that egalitarianism, ie,
the Robin hood method. To me, altruism (which is against human nature)
should be voluntary. I'd rather prefer the trickle down effect, and
circulation of money to achieve egalitarianism. Plus, ever so often,
gems like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates (forget the means by which he
got rich) donate sums greater than Germany's annual defense budget and
India's annual Health budget put together, and that couldn't happen
under communism.
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Mario wrote:
Aristo, Since you have no idea how repressive communist societies were
and are [Cuba and N. Korea ring a bell?] it is no surprise to find
that you think they were islands of religious freedom and harmony.
Are you old enough to remember Garbage In, garbage out? The same
applies to Google, my friend. Try the following URL which addresses
what you missed in your biased and narrow search:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1920/abc/11.htm
Aristo responds:
OK, I must admit I was wrong in thinking that theoretically, religion
had nothing to do with Communism. I was under the impression that
Godless Commies of the yesteryear's was just a regional coincidence. I
had to do a lot of research on it, with more pertinent searches like
Communism Religion? and God and Communism to avoid the gigo
errors. But I must say, feet doesn't taste all that bad!
---
Mario wrote:
But since you are serious guy, here is another URL to help you catch up:
http://www.britannica.com/nobel/micro/733_51.html
...If you read this book you will pretty much be up to speed on the
non-economic horrors of communism.
Aristo responds:
This is an example of the deeds of a brutal dictatorial regime who,
like most other dictatorial regimes - Communist or not, inevitably
turn out to be ruthless and corrupt.
Having admitted to my wrong notions (much unlike one of your cubs
{Simba is it?}, who cannot do so when confronted with black white
statistics),
Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing Bigotry
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. In a rather humorous story WHY ARE YOU HERE Maxie Dunnam asks the questions: What is it that brings you here? Why did you choose to become a part of this church? If you are not a member, what are you looking for in a church? These questions can be aptly directed to Catholics who spare no effort to attack the Catholic Church/religion/religious beliefs and yet call themselves Catholics. I wonder to what extent a much sought after Goan Saint would inspire folks such as these? Or is it a publicity stunt all about seeking name, fame and hype? Best Wishes, Joe Vaz - WHY ARE YOU HERE? Maxie Dunnam One day a couple by the name of Herman and Mary were riding along in their shiny new car. Mary spoke up and said, You know, Herman, if it weren't for my money, we probably wouldn't have this wonderful new car. And Herman just sat there and didn't say anything at all. As they pulled into the driveway, Herman turned off the motor and they quietly admired their new home. Then Mary said, You know, Herman, if it weren't for my money, we probably wouldn't have this new house. And again, Herman just sat there and didn't say anything. They got out of the car and walked in just as the delivery man finished setting up their new furniture. You know, Herman, said Mary once more, If it were not for my money, we probably wouldn't have this new carpet and all this new furniture. And once more, Herman didn't say a word. It happened again as they sat down in their new den and propped their feet up and watched the big screen TV in their new entertainment center. You know, Herman, said Mary, if it were not for my money, we probably wouldn't have this huge entertainment center. And with that, poor Herman had had enough. He turned to Mary and said, I don't want to hurt your feelings, Honey, but you know if it weren't for your money, I probably wouldn't be here either! What is it that brings you here? Why did you choose to become a part of this church? If you are not a member, what are you looking for in a church? _ Spice up your IM conversations. New, colorful and animated emoticons. Get chatting! http://server1.msn.co.in/SP05/emoticons/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] World Goa Day origins some brief history
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. My personal view on the World Goan Day effort and bringing it to every continent and country was that of Rene Barreto. It is not so much as to who conceived the idea for the Goa Day, but more so who nurtured, tendered and propagated it to the ends of the globe. For this Rene deserves all credit. In Goa we say: mezar-velem kelem kadum soirik korta. Lets give credit where credit belongs, and here the credit duly belongs to Rene Barreto. Although, I am not a great fan for celebrating the World Goan Day, on just one day in August, I can understand the sentiments, emotions and feelings it fosters world-wide wherever the Goan Diaspora has made their home. To Goans in Goa this might not mean a big deal, but to the rest of the world it is a unique opportunity for getting together, discussing the roots and celebrating the Day. Goa does Not need the money of the diaspora; Goa is rich in itself, self-sufficient and boasts of huge revenues thanks to our Goan brethren in the Gulf and on the ships who have a major stake in this contribution. Albeit, Goa may need help in other ways such as asset management, setting up businesses, industries and infrastructures which in many respects has fallen by the wayside mainly because of mismanagement and corruption. So I say: Congratulation Rene! Keep up the good work! Do not be discouraged and dont let anything dampen your spirits. Your efforts are very much appreciated world-wide. Best wishes, Joe Vaz _ Who will win Bollywoods most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! Cast your vote! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp06/IIFA2006/static/weekend.asp ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] PUCL my final comments
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear fred, As much as you and Vidhyadhar have a right to circulate and defend what in my opinion are malicious biased and ideologically motivated white papers , please do not grudge me the right say my point of view in a civil and courteous manner. Please do not try to achieve a moral high ground by unnecesarily vilifying me as communal simply because I disagree with the lies and insinuations spread by the leftists you admire so much. My belief is: The PUCL is a Marxist organization which specialises in circulating highly biased and malicious reports targetting the Sangh parivar and BJP or the Indian government machinery on a regular basis. They have *NEVER* led any fact finding missions when marxist goons and naxals have raped killed or terrorised innocent indian citizens. Please point me to the report i they have done so. They have *NEVER* protested against any Missionary or evangelical mission in India for spreading derogaroty and scurrilous literature against the hindu religion. But PUCL has been prompt enough to protest against the arrest a missionary involved in the circulation of a highly offensive book called the Haqeeqat in Kota rajasthan The book contains many vulgar references to Lord Ram and Krishna, Hindu saints like Ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo, Swami Dayanand Saraswati, Satya Sai Baba, Ma Amritanandamayi, Digambar Jain saints, in addition to objectionable reference to Ganga, Vande Mataram, and Arya Samaj, ISKCON etc. According to PUCL: 1. salwa Judum , widely regarded as a popular resistance against naxal terrorism in Chattisgarh is state sponsored militia 2. RSS headquarter attack and the subsequent encounter is a fake. 3.In 1998 PUCL petitioned the TN chief Minister M karunanidhi to release Abdul Madani, a known muslim terrorist incarcerated for violent terrorist activities including the coimbatore bomb blasts. 4. The Hindukaran of tribals of the Dangs is communal but apparently the christikaran is fine Rohit Prajapati filed a frivolous PIL against the organizers of the Shabri Kumbh which was rejected by the SC. It is sad that instead of confronting the demons of communalism and bigotry that have raised their ugly head in Goa we are allowing vested interests to push forward their own agenda and further vitiate the atmosphere. -vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. This issue has been repeatedly alluded to on Goanet. While I do not put it above the armed forces to run amuck -- we're seeing incidents being reported in conflict-prone places like the North East of India, and Kashmir -- it would be interesting to know if anyone has specific citations to back up the allegation of rapes supposedly committed in Goa. Would Eddie be able to dig up something, given his eagle-eye and librarianship skills? How serious was this issue? How many cases were reported? Or is it just part of the propaganda arsenel of the 'colonialism-started-in-Goa-in-1961' lobby? Eitherway, it would be interesting to know the truth. Could someone who lived in Goa in that era tell us? And don't say something like I know ghosts exist because my friend told me he saw one. FN On 03/08/06, cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I neither needed nor wanted what you had to say. My gentle questions were to A. Veronica Fernandes who wrote an article about the 1990 invasion of Kuwait and was present when the rapes were supposed to have taken place in Goa and in Kuwait. I am sure he could provide an infinitely better response than you could ever do. -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Who would Goans want as Chief Minister ? - Parrikar or Pacheco ?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Maybe I am not upto speed on current Political happenings in Goa, but how realistic is the possibility of Pacheco becoming the CM? The last time I heard, it was the dreaded viscous viper of Talegao, Babush Monserrate that was eyeing the chair, and had set in motion his plans to acheive that goal within a couple of years, if not sooner. That is the real danger, my fellow goans, for if he becomes the CM, that will be the end for Goa as we know it. Given the current cess pool of Goan politics, my solution whould be a BJP COALITION government, with the coalition partners keeping a check on communalism, who should withdraw support should secularism be even slightly threatened. That is the only way Governance and secularism can go hand in hand (along with the inevitable corruption of course) rather than Corruption, lethargy and secularism. just my $0.02! Cheers, Aristo. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing Bigotry
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Frederick FN Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To call Hindus animal worshippers is akin to saying that Catholics worship wood, because of all the statues in the churches. Fred: Couldnt you find a better analogy than Catholics worship(ing) wood, because of all the statues in the churches. Is the Catholic wood worship a new religion according to Fred Noronha? Rgds, Joe Vaz PS: I have respect for all religions and find nothing in any religion to ridicule. If one doesnt find the faith in ones (own) religion thats fine but no one has the right to blatantly abuse any religion. _ Who will win Bollywoods most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! Cast your vote! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp06/IIFA2006/static/weekend.asp ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] London Goenkars, please note!!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Sterling is riding high! In Margao you should get at least 87 Rupees to the Pound. Better still sell up and migrate to Goa!! Have a ball, your money will buy more, you will be helping the economy as well! Buy before its too late!! Sterling is high because of USD weakness! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. An interesting blog about matters Portuguese (with connections to Goa too). See http://apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com/ If like me, you cannot read the language of Camoes, then go to http://66.249.93.104/translate_c?langpair=pt|enu=http://apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com/ or http://wapurl.co.uk/?1ZFULFL and you'll get a machine-translated version. Not perfect, of course, but understandable. Check out Lusofonia and the Subordinate Elites of the Empire, an issue which Dr Teo has already touched on in Goanet. FN -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing Bigotry (attn. G. Pinto)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear George, I do not see any gross injustices or bigotry from Indian Christians, practiced IN INDIA, at the present time or in the immediate past. If anyone can point 'these' out to me/us, then it would be helpful to find ways and means to tackle these, and nip them in the bud, to everyone's benefit. Dear Nasci If you live in a glass house, why are you throwing stones at others? Have you stopped to consider what Hindus might consider of YOUR beliefs? Put yourself in the shoes of a Hindu and try and relate to the Virgin Birth, Ascension into Heaven, Salvific value of Christ's death, etc. Would you not be incredulous? NASCI RESPONDS: Dear George? How do you know I would be incredulous, in the sense that you mean? Cetainly not! Please note, that I am not talking of Hindu internal Beliefs either; but am protesting on their 'public practices' and their unwanted impact on all who live in India. Man is the most intelligent of God's creatures, the most intelligent 'animal' on the planet! Simple Logic shows that Man being of a higher order, should and must 'look after and help' those in the lower order, Humans and other animals; One does not 'WORSHIP' animals and at the same time, and in the same 'breath', condemn another HUMAN BEING just because he is born from a so called low caste womb! In all my postings, I have only alluded to caste discrimination and animal worship; nothing else! Even here; if any hindus feel that way and want to worship cow and monkey etc; they are free to do so! BUT PLEASE do not impose these on others in society; by way of 'Ban on Cow Slaughter, protesting and commiting violence against places that serve beef etc, and unruly VERY LOUD processions of their dieties, through public areas. That's all that I am saying! Give respect to others not of these beliefs, and allow all others , and at all times, to go about their lives peacefully. George Pinto says: Outside the narrow Hinduvta views of a minority (which is NOT Hindu philosophy and religion), Hindus are a VERY tolerant and respectful people. Is is too much to ask the same in return? Nasci responds: I respect all that may be good in Hindu philosophy and good practices. They have NO RIGHT to have their Bad Practices to impact in public. Keep it strictly Private, confined to the Temple and or Home. George Pinto on a tangent? says: And if you are really interested in fighting injustice why don't you speak up and fight for it within the Christian tradition. Take women's equality for example (and I am not refering to women priests only). Can you honestly say that Goan women are treated equally in the Goan Catholic home? Do they have the same access to education, money, and other benefits? Are they treated equally in inheritance matters? Are they offered the same access to good paying jobs? Are they treated in a non-sexist manner by Goan Catholic men? Nasci responds: By George! What the hell has any of the above to do with Hindu Caste prejudices and imposition of animal worship on others??? George Pinto says: Those who live in glass houses should clean their homes first as the mess inside is visible through the glass. Nasci questions George: The bad Hindu practices are not only visible outside but are permeating their stink and misery all around!! George for once YOU ARE RIGHT here! Your phrase certainly refers to the BAD Hindu Glass House!! Personally, I do not care how messy is anyone's 'glass house'; as long as the Stink is confined therein, and not allowed to impact outside. Is it because the Brahmin House is so stinking that they do not allow a low caste to sit and eat at the same table with them? George, I do wish next time, you would only write/refer/adhere strictly to the issues mentioned; to prevent 'muddying' of either 'thought'. Kitea Mundta Re? With regards, Nasci Caldeira Enlightened and Logical Human Being, albeit Christian! Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] TORONTO VIVA GOA 06/LONDON GOAN FESTIVAL
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 04/08/06, Melvyn Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was saddened to note that the dance at Toronto Viva Goa was abruptly halted. . To put the record straight Gabe Menezes mentions an incident that took place some three years ago in the car park after closing time that provoked a member to intervene, the police who were called by the non members attended and threw out the case, the committee had no involvement in this matter Melvyn Fernandes Health and Safety DUTY Goan Festival uk RESPONSE: It was rather remiss of me not to address the crux of the posting, so here goes: If I remember rightly the incident took place more than 3 years ago. I respectfully disagree that the responsibility of the organizers ended as soon as time was called...the Publican calls time but is still responsible until the punters leave the premises!! So in the same vein the organizers are responsible until the people have left the premises. What had irked me at that time and still does, is that the perpetrator, had a previous confrontation at the Club House in Beckhenham Place. The Police were called by him and the CID threatened the Club's bar licence. A letter of warning was issued to this person as well as the Director involved, who was suspended for a month from attending the Club House. Having had a previous warning was of no consequence and it is pointless giving warnings, if subsequent Boards treat transgressors with kid gloves! This is for the record so that there will not be a third time, O.K. ? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] World Goa/Konkani Day (Sonvsari Goyem/Konknni Bhas Dis)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Mogall Goenkar bhav-bhoinnanim, August 20 is sixteen days away when we will be celebrating World Goa Day. This date also happens to be the 14th anniversary of the inclusion of our Konkani language in the VIII Schedule of the Indian Constitution. This is exactly why Miguel Braganza has suggested that it also be celebrated as the World Konkani Day. This message is to request Goans/Goan Associations all over the world to patronize Konkani by using it in connection with the World Goa Day. From now on, I suggest that the subject line read as World Goa/Konkani Day (Sonvsari Goyem/Konknni Bhas Dis.) The translation of the title will not only lend solidarity but will also announce to the world that we are celebrating a Goan function. I also suggest that World Goa/Konkani Day functions end with the following slogan: Viva World Goa Day - Viva Konkani! Have a wonderful World Goa/Konkani Day 2006! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Well, I was in Kuwait during the Iraqi invasion. I was staying in the city centre (Darwaza) area, a few km from my office in Shuwaikh. I remember an incident involving an Arab man who barged into a women's hostel within two days of the Iraqis taking control. The whole country was at a standstill with people remaining indoors. The Arab claimed that he was an Iraqi and asked two young women to follow him into a room. It so happened that the guy's skills did not match his ambitions and he was overpowered by the two Indian women. They tied him up and alerted a passing patrol party. An Iraqi Captain and two soldiers came in. After exchanging a few words with the intruder, one of the soldiers hit him in the face with the butt of his rifle. He was actually a Kuwaiti, trying to fish in troubled waters! The soldiers dragged him away and the next day his body was found hanging from a crane near the city centre. A board pinned to his body declared in Arabic: Rapist. This is not to say that the invading Iraqis committed no rape. But this incident took place near the locality I was staying in. I heard that before taking the man away, the young Captain told the women, You're our sisters and we'll protect you. I'm a soldier first and then a Muslim. It's our duty to protect you! So we can't paint an entire army with the same brush. Cheers, RKN Mario I definitely was not wanting your usual much repeated absurdity in a sermon. I neither needed nor wanted what you had to say. My gentle questions were to A. Veronica Fernandes who wrote an article about the 1990 invasion of Kuwait and was present when the rapes were supposed to have taken place in Goa and in Kuwait. I am sure he could provide an infinitely better response than you could ever do. Cornel ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] REPEAL KONKANI ONLY in devanagari RESOLUTION - AT SAHITYA AKADEMY
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. 02/08/2006 Secretary, Sahitya Akademi, Rabindra Bhavan, 35 Ferozshah Road, New Delhi 110 001 Kind Attn Mr K Satchidanandan Sir, Kindly be informed that the ruling Indian National Congress MLAs in Goa have taken a decision on the last date of the Monsoon session of the Goa Legislative Assembly at a meet organized by the Chief Minister of Goa who holds the portfolio of Official Languages, that : a) in the Goa Daman Diu Official Language Act 1987 an amendment be brought about to add the words /Roman script in clause 2 © (N.B: the original Act contains the definition 2© Konkani language means Konkani in Devanagari script ) b) granting official language status to Marathi alongwith Konkani You are kindly aware that the ten member Advisory Board for Konkani 1978-1983 (with majority members ( 8 Nos ) die hard supporters of only one script i.e Devanagariscript ) had at its meet on 21st November, 1981 UNANIMOUSLY recommended that Devanagari should remain the script for Konkani . This resolution did NOT have the sanction of the Konkani speaking people spread over Maharashtra, Karnataka Kerala , or worldwide. This has led to the Konkani language with the Devanagari script becoming the monopoly of one community the Hindu Brahmins much to the detriment of others familiar with the Roman, Kannada, Perso Arabic and Malayalam script. As a result growth of language Konkani suffered after 21st November, 1981 following that resolution. P.S that resolution too did not have the sanction of the duly elected ruling INC party of the then Union Terrritory of Goa Daman and Diu. To undo this damage of nearly twenty five years now and ensure that the language Konkani with diversity of scripts be recognized by your esteemed Academy it would be appreciated if you could advise on the modus operandi to a) REPEAL the UNANIMOUS resolution of 21st November, 1981 and if need be b) to adopt a fresh resolution, that ANY OR ALL scripts in which Konkani is used today SHALL REMAIN THE SCRIPT FOR KONKANI Thanking you, Yours faithfully, GODFREY J I GONSALVES (social activist ) B-F-4 1st Floor Hillside Apts St Joaquim Road, Borda P.O. Fatorda 403602 [EMAIL PROTECTED], 9822158584 __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Troubled Global Village: Nervousness On Both Sides Of The Divide
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Troubled Global Village: Nervousness On Both Sides Of The Divide Goa's multiculturalism is now raising an ugly head, laments Vivek Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's Foundation Day at the Mater Dei Institute in Saligao, Goa’s second-oldest English medium school, and a smiling quartet of 11-year olds whirls and bobs to the classic Konkani pop song, 'Juliana'. Their show is part of an annual ritual dating back to 1909, almost a full century of neatly uniformed students strutting their stuff and being rewarded with treats. But examine the picture a little closer, and it's apparent that there's something new happening under the Goan sun. One of the twirling little girls is local, another from North India. The third is European, from Portugal, and in the middle of things is Patharpron (Noon) Kong King, Thai-born, Goa-raised, just one of hundreds of foreign children being brought up and educated in a Goa that's suddenly morphed from sleepy getaway to global tourism hotspot. Cleta Lobo became headmistress of Mater Dei in 1968, at the age of 19, appointed after the death of her father (and school founder), Anicleto FX Lobo. She recalls that there were always one or two foreign students through the hippie era of the 1960s and '70s. That trickle has turned into a flood in the last decade, and storied Mater Dei's student body is now nearly 50 per cent international, with 22 nationalities represented. Lobo used to be charged with instilling conservative values in an almost entirely Goan Catholic student body. Now she deals with problems like racist behaviour directed at a Nigerian student by his European classmates. It's a formidable challenge to integrate students from all over the world into an academic environment that prepares all of them to take the demanding ICSE board exams. But Lobo is unfazed. They come here because we can manage, because we are equipped to deal with them. Goa has surfed the waves of globalisation before. European colonialism kicked into action here first, in 1510, and ended here last, with a chequered 451 years in between. At the end of the sixteenth century, the port capital of Estado da India was bigger and much richer than Paris, London and Lisbon. It attracted travellers and traders from every corner of the known world, bestrode the richest international trading routes ever established, and ruled as capital of a vast maritime empire stretching from Japan to Africa. That heyday faded as fast as it developed, but connections to the outside world remained. Goans poured out of the economically stagnant colony to find employment abroad -- in Portuguese and British Africa, the Far East and Latin America. Mater Dei owes its existence to global Goan aspirations. It provided reliable English-language education to entire generations of Goans with parents working abroad; its graduates include civil servants in every country in the Anglophone sphere. Noon Kong King's parents have no doubts about Mater Dei’s cosmopolitan credentials. Henry Pfeiffer, a German, adopted Noon and her younger sister when he married their mother, Chawee. We are very happy with their education here, he said. It is a better, happier and more mixed environment for them to grow up in than Germany or Thailand. Pfeiffer believes that the girls’ prospects are better in Asia, that an Indian childhood provides a future competitive advantage. Goa offers his small, tight-knit family the twin advantages of great business opportunity and idyllic surroundings. I moved to Goa to retire, actually, he said. But when I had spent some time here I could see that there was money to be made, almost lying there on the ground all around me. It seemed lazy not to simply pick it up. The couple now operates Oriental, a well-established Thai restaurant in Candolim that’s developed a loyal following and a solid reputation for meticulously prepared Thai food. But Oriental is now on the move as a new cadre of moneymen and entrepreneurs have descended on Goa over the past two years. The contract that Pfeiffer had with his landlord has been discarded, and the new owners have plans for serious expansion that don't include him. He's scouting for a new location in a highly constricted marketplace that includes real hordes of competitors, each looking for a piece of the action. As Goa's
Re: [Goanet] Goa... the simple life
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Fred, Congrats to your young daughter and her efforts. She has good parental guidance. At 7 or 8 years old, the world is her oyster and the Goan community will be fortunate with those future pearls. Here's wishing she will dwarf her dad's many accomplishments. That is progress. Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Fred wrote: An interesting blog about matters Portuguese (with connections to Goa too). See http://apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com/ Fred, I just looked at this site. It's worth noting that they're also, like some Goanetters, a raving bunch of anti-semites waiting for Israel to be pushed into the sea. «A arrogância dos israelitas não precisa do Presidente do Irão para ganhar inimigos e para ser ameaçada a existência de Israel! As resoluções das Nações Unidas não são somente para os árabes cumprirem!» http://apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com/2006/08/os-libaneses-deviam-ser-acolhidos-por.html Peter P.S. Thanks to the guys at goencar.com who posted here recently. I've used their free e-mail service for a couple of weeks now, it is great! ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Another New VCD: MOZO RAKNNO
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Another new VCD, I purchased 4 days ago. VCD no: 89 MOZO RAKHNNO by Peter-Roshan With Peter, his wife Roshan, his 2 sons (Brian the eldest and Benzer the yougest), Anil-Olga, Lawry etc Rs.150July 2006 == Releasing soon... CHOVIS VORSAM by Simon Gonsalves With Willy, Com.Agostinho, Ambe, Felcy, Jessie, Mini Mario etc etc PURO ANIK NAKA by Martin de Ponda/Antonette Mendes (Appeared on Herald) See the updated list of all 88+ VCDS http://f6.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wHu7RN5J1JHZETM5D-cIfSoVAqNaCteVU6Zi4jL4sa5BiBWb6trUfr30TXyIXZVKVqrFd9QjDcc2a3lS7Si4lQ/Over%2088%20Konkani%20VCDs%20produced%20in%20just%202%20years.doc or see the other link below (file section) [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] 2 More Tiatrits arrive.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. 2 More Tiatrists arrived in Kuwait. Today in the evening at 6.30 p.m., 2 more tiatrists namely Antonette de Calangute and John D'Silva have aldready arrived in Kuwait in a direct flight from Dabolim. They have come to participate in the Tiatro written and directed by Rosary Ferns and this Tiatro will be staged at Hawally A/C Hall on 11th of this month i.e. on coming Friday starting at 3.30 p.m. As announced earlier, Ophelia has already arrived today morning from Bombay. Antonetter de Calangute and John D'Silva were welcomed at the Airport by Kuwait Goan Association President Salvador Dias, Fidelis Fernandes and other members of the Association. From Airport they were immediately taken to the Hawally Hall where other artistes were doing their rehearsals. This drama is being staged under the auspices of Kuwait Goan Association. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Misconceptins about God and evil - response to dr Helekar
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. dear dr helekar, if history is any indication the most horrible atrocities commited by man against fellow human beings have been in he name of a loving God. And most of the the times the perpetrators'faith in God was so unshakeable that they genuinely believed that what they were doing was in fact good. -vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 04/08/06, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A misconception that has just been propagated in this forum is that god-fearing people cannot be evil. This misconception can be easily refuted by giving several present-day examples of god-fearing people who are evil, or have committed evil acts. One such example is Osama Bin Ladin. Cheers, Santosh RESPONSE: I have kept away from this. I know of a so called God fearing Catholic Woman, who attends prayer meetings and is an Eucharistic Minister. This woman thinks nothing of short changing and other dubious acts. I suppose she thinks that if she goes to Confession or says a prayer all is forgiven. Not only in the Christian Religion but Common and Natural Law requires that restitution be made!! I do hope that all who support this woman, are also mindful that their actions only propogate and further the evil. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Want to keep track of what's happening in Goa's high court... via cyberspace?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Want to track possible legal issues and cases in the Panjim high court bench? A useful cyber resource is at http://causelists.nic.in/temp/14978.html What this offers is HIGH COURT OF BOMBAY AT GOA,PANAJI WEEKLY CAUSE LIST (For 07-08-2006 to 08-08-2006). With a lawyer-by-lawyer breakup. Some interesting pointers: * Anuja Prabhudessai vs. Chief Secretary (MS Sonak, Pooja Bharne) * City Association of Stall Occupants vs. Government of Goa (MP Amonkar/Pooja Kavlekar) * Leena P Kolhi of Anjuna vs. State of Goa (Ranjit Satardekar) * Datta Naik of Panjim vs. Chief Secretary * Agnes D'Silva of Calangute vs Village Panchayat of Calangute * Ivo G Furtado vs. Mormugao PDA * Floriano C Lobo vs. Chief Secretary * Village Panchayat of Cana Benaulim vs. Prestiege Holiday Resorts * Gajendranath Usgaonkar vs. Stage of Goa * Goa Heritage Action Group vs * Salmona (Saligao) fountain case (Arjun Harmalkar) * SLAO vs Comunidade of Cortalim * Maharani Guest House vs Goa Foundation * Shrikant Gaunkar in Central Jail vs State of Goa * Environmentalist Sandeep Azrenkar vs State of Goa * Concerned Citizens, Vasco Da Gama Ltd and others... * Dr MN Pal vs State of Goa * Sanjay Rane vs Saibai S Dubaxi * K D Sadhale vs State of Goa * Comunidade of Olaulim vs State of Goa * Martin Lottery Agencies vs State of Goa * Madganvkars Salvage vs United India Insurance * Vasudeo R Deshprabhu vs State of Goa * Dr Maruti J Audi vs Goa University * Income tax cases against a number of business houses * Dr Celsa Pinto vs State of Goa * Travel Tourism Assn of Goa vs Union of India * Anita Naik of Betim vs Speaker, Goa Assembly * Fermento Resorts vs Gustavo Rentao de Cruz Pinto, Santa Cruz * GIDC vs Comunidade of Marcaim * Goenca Resorts Calangute vs Mah State Financial Corpn ... and a range of other cases. Check out this URL (above). -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
