Re: [Goanet] Banking services
I have an account with Canara Bank, Panaji for several years which is a continuation of an A/C I started with CG, Bangalore over 50 years ago! I have no reason to complain. I have over the past few years also dealt with some of the new private sector banks. I no longer do!! Fausto Dias. Velha Goa - Original Message - From: "Albert Desouza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:22 PM Subject: [Goanet] Banking services > Friends > The banking services of the nationalised banks is very poor. Sometimes one > has to stand in long ques to withdraw, or deposit or update their pass book. > The careadam attitude of the staff needs to be probed. The staff have no > right to go on strike if they cannot give the customers a good and deserving > service until then let private banks rule Goa > Albert > > _ > Spice up your IM conversations. New, colorful and animated emoticons. Get > chatting! http://server1.msn.co.in/SP05/emoticons/ > > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of ....... re Godfearing & evil/response to Mario
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: > Your disdain for fellow posters knows no bounds. > Mario clarifies: > Actually, I have no disdain for you or most fellow posters, though I will make an exception for those who deliberately twist the truth. In this thread I'm simply trying to understand how the world can be turned on it's head by verbal gymnastics. > Elisabeth writes: > > First off is your assertion, that evil has nothing > to do with God. Actually incorrect. The concept of > evil as a separate entity came into common ideology > with the Abrahamic religions, > Mario writes: > So, let me see. There is no such thing as good and bad (evil) among non-Abrahamic peoples? Isn't this either incredibly patronising or self serving? Didn't the Hindus believe in good and evil way before Abraham? > But, to the point, did you or didn't you say in effect that you atheists and agnostics could not be evil because you had never agreed to be good in the first place? > Elisabeth writes: > > Secondly, enough with the compound sentences that > manage to obscure the meaning of every post. My > premise is simply that all that we define as evil, > is redefined when more information comes to light. > Mario observes: > I just call 'em as I see 'em. I wouldn't know a compound sentence from a straight one:-)) Perhaps compound for some is simple for others. But, this is precisely what I have been saying about your ilk. You can turn everything upside down by just redefining it. It all falls under Cornel's Law, which holds that all truth is like silly-putty. > Elisabeth writes: > > My father once told me only "immoral girls smoked > cigarettes". Growing up, I was a terrible asthmatic. > He should have told me the truth. That smoking would > kill me. Luckily, I found that out for myself. In > the world he grew up in, his version WAS the truth. > Mario responds: > I don't know what a bad and harmful habit has to do with "evil". REAL evil is when you deliberately set out to harm others, not yourself. > Elisabeth writes: > > At one time homosexuality was considered "evil". > Then psychologists labeled homosexuality as a sexual > aberration. Much money and time was spent in > "cleansing" this evil from oneself. Fortunately, we > know more about homosexuality to be accepting of it > without labeling it. > Mario responds: > Based on my belief that REAL evil is when you deliberately set out to harm others, not yourself, I don't know what homosexuality has to do with "evil". At worst there are people who believe it goes against nature. I don't think anyone believes that the people themselves are "evil", unless they project their private behavior on others in some way. > Elisabeth writes: > > Many "thought disorders" such as paranoia, > schizophrenia, bi-polar, were considered to be > manifestations of the "devil" in people, and they > were said to be possessed. Today, we rightfully > treat this dysfunction. > Mario responds: > In my opinion, this example is far too obsolete to be used today. > Elisabeth writes: > > Other dysfunctions such as kleptomania are now > treated by therapy rather than punishment. As our > knowledge grows even pedophilia is being treated as > a disease and addressed through measures such as > chemical castration. > Mario responds: > I wouldn't test your kleptomania theory if I were you. Shoplifters usually find themselves in jail not in psychiatry at taxpayer expense. I haven't heard of any pedophiles being chemically castrated, at least in the US. One or two rapists, perhaps, who asked for this to be done to them. > Elisabeth writes: > > Far from absolving people of their "evil", I place > the entire onus of their dysfunction on themselves. > They are either the victims of mental dysfunction or > cultural conditioning (such as bigotry) that leads > to mental dysfunction of sorts. > Mario responds: > How can you place the onus on them, i.e. blame them, if they are mentally dysfunctional? If the onus is on them, this suggests they are fully aware of and in control of their actions and are therefore morally reprehensible, which evil essentially is. Mentally dysfunctional suggests psychological forces beyond one's control, and so the person cannot be innately evil, like all those I listed before. > Elisabeth writes: > > The original purpose of prisons is lost on our > modern societies. It was to remove the > dysfunctional person from society, hence offering > society protection from him, and secondly to > provide the person an opportunity to meditate on his > crime. > Mario observes: > Didn't the original function of a prison get lost because of political liberals, who seem to have more sympathy for the perpetrator than the victim, and think they can rehabilitate all such people? > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
Mogall Elisabeth ani Cornel, Goanet is good place for some basic amateur discussions. At some point, anyone seeking detailed answers, should go to experts rather than make "Gabru, Pedru, Prabhu ani Milagrin, Ethelvin, Pravin" an expert. Similarly, Goanet IMHO is not a forum for "petoita murree".:=)) Because this leads to more "petoita murree" which one may or may not like. Now can you explain why several goaneters, including yourselves, use rare, exceptional, uncommon situations to make statements applying to the vast majority of normal events / situations? Do you honestly think Andrea Yates is the key to understanding Good and Evil. And what atheists and theists believe about Evil? Can you have one explanation of Evil for believers and another for non-believers? This is not an exception! Does Pol Pot's actions reflect on Buddhism and millions of its followers? Does the actions of Bush reflect the religion of Protestantism? Is Hitler the poster-child for one billion Catholics? Is Stalin the face of Orthodox Christianity? Does Osama Bin Laden represent Muslim religion? Does Taliban regime represent Muslim society or the two billion in traditional Asian societies? Can you help make sense of what we read from otherwise "progressive" Goans? Let me simplify it! For someone taking a walk through nature, a diseased tree or sick animal does not describe / characterize the behavior of the genus or species. If a mango tree does not bear fruit, does that mean mango trees do not bear mangoes? If a treatment does not work in 10% of cases, does that mean the doctor is bad, the treatment is a failure or the disease is incurable? Have I given you both and other readers enough "misconceptions with examples"? So using your question below, "When are WE going to figure out this simple fact?" There are always exceptions to the RULE. The exceptions DO NOT make the rule / norm. Except perhaps on Goanet. Rautam tujea borea respostak. Aum tujo goenkar bhau, Regards, GL PS: If you still do not have answers to the questions, perhaps dakto xapai Bosteaum (SSC appeared) from gaunswadi may help.:=)) --- cornel wrote: Hi Mario, You sure waste many people's time and to no avail. Your's is a voice in the wilderness with no credibility at all on virtually everything you have ever said on Goanet. When are you going to figure out this simple fact? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.
Cornel, Dont get me wrong, Just that you touched a tender part. I have seen it all its just not worth going thru all the nightmare again, even today if crackers burst it run chill thru me and may all those who were there with me, as we we the unlucky who got left out. Thats why i am against war, it does not bring any peace. Lenny cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Lenny I was not trying to prove anything for starters when I raised a point with A. Veronica Fernandes. As he had indicated rape in Goa in 1961 and in Kuwait in 1990, it seemed absolutely reasonable to seek some hard evidence in terms of figures etc from him (or indeed from anyone else) if he had it as he was close to the scenes. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Prepare Ambot Tik
Prepare Ambot Tik Ingredients : = kg fish preferably skate, shark or catfish 10 dry red chillies < tsp cumin seeds 4 peppercorns < inch piece turmeric 4 flakes garlic = inch piece ginger a small (marble size) tamarind 1 onion (sliced fine) 2 tbsp oil Preparation : Clean and wash the fish. Cut into desired pieces, apply salt and keep aside. In the meantime grind the above ingredients in a little water. Fry the onion in oil till it turns brown. Add the masala and fry a bit. Add a cup of water, allow to boil and then add the fish pieces. Cook till tender on slow fire. Add salt and vinegar if necessary. Click to join Kevins_World ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa's traditional occupations: The Kumbar, The Chamar, The Mahar, etc. fading away !
The Khumbar: The age of usage of baked pottery gave importance to the work of potters. Whole villages of potters were usually assembled around the source of clay. The clay was shaped and moulded on the wheel which was spun manually, the clay product, wet but finished was dried and then baked in a kiln of firewood. Popular among these clay products were "Kunni" - round, wide mouth vessels, "Bhutkule" - pots, Mattulam - small, flat or deep bowls, "Koddem" - deep wide round vessels, also a lot of decorative and useful items were also made and graced every home. The Chamar Wooden clogs gradually made way for the lighter and longer lasting leather footwear. the cobbler sole craftsman of his trade with a sharp blade needle, greases and slabs of leather fashioned footwear, made moulds and designed simple but wearable patterns for feet that had a lot of walking to do. The chamar used to go house to house repairing and taking measurement for new footwear or could be found a little distance away from the tinto plying his trade. The Mahar Using material like bamboo and cane and using only his hands the mahar, made a variety of products. Baskets, cages, "Konde" - covered high baskets for storage of grain and onion. Wider spaced baskets were woven to cover roosting hens and chicks. Small square, flat baskets to carry flowers were made and used mostly in hindu homes. A triangular open ended "Sup" was used for dusting the husk form rice. These were among the few, everyday items made and sold in bulk. The Barber The busiest trader, the barber usually sat under a tree or a makeshift shelter. Homemade oils for a relaxing massage, a sharp and shiny blade, a wooden or tortoise shell comb, a scissor and a small mirror which was usually held by the customer whilst the barber snipped and shaved away. He also went over to the houses to perform the task and this usually was at the more affuent homes. Other traditional Goan artisans include Shetty (goldsmith), Zo (idol makers who sculpt statues of wood and ivory). Chari (blacksmith), Chittari (Lacquer work artisan), Kansar who makes brass lamps and copper vessels. http://www.goatourism.org/Destinations/AncestralGoa/goans.htm#top ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Traditional rivals to clash: J.P. D'Mello Trophy KIFF League Final in Kuwait
Traditional rivals to clash: J.P. D'Mello Trophy KIFF League Final in Kuwait Kuwait: The Kuwait Indian Football Federation (KIFF) League, the only competition of its kind among expatriate Indians in the Middle East promises a spectacular finale when two of the established teams and traditional rivals -- last year's runners-up Navelim Youth Centre and the formidable G.O.A Maroons clash on 11th August 2006 at Kuwait's famous Soor Grounds for the coveted J.P.D'Mello Memorial Rolling Trophy. M/s Abdul Adi Al-Mailem Group of Companies are one of the co-sponsors of the 2005-06 League. The League which commenced in September last included 16 teams. The teams were divided into two groups of 8 each initially, played in a round robin League. The matches are played every Friday and are officiated by Indian Football Referees Association (IFRA). Semi-Finals Navelim Youth Centre - 1 v/s Santos Football Club - 0 GOA Maroons 4 (1) v/s Kuwait Goans Association 3 (1) In the semifinals played in soaring temperatures of near to 45°C, Navelim Youth Centre (NYC) scored a solitary goal victory over spirited Santos Football Club. Midfielder Duarte Ferrao scored the all important goal to deny Santos a place in what could have been their first League final. Kuwait Goans Association (KGA) has been one of the best teams this season and was favorite to win the semis. However, the experienced Maroons beat them 5-4 (1-1) in the tie-breaker. KGA failed to hold on to a first half lead taken by striker Ashton Fernandes as Maroons' defender Ian D' Souza drew level in the second session. Both the finalists are traditional arch-rivals in Kuwait and matches between the two sides are always exciting and classic. Presidents of both Navelim and Goa Maroons, Agnello Fernandes and Raymond D'Sa still recall the dramatic finals of XIth NYC Trophy in 2002-03 in which Navelim YC came from behind after trailing 1-3 to beat GOA Maroons 4-3. The League Final this time too is expected to be hot and challenging as NYC President, currently on holidays in USA, expectantly put it in his good wishes to his team, "People have a short memory... By next year no one will remember who were in finals, however, the Champions are always remembered... " Meanwhile KGA scored an easy 5-1 victory over Santos in a match played last Friday for the third and fourth place respectively. AVC Overseas Association, last year's League Winners are already declared KIFF Season Champions having won major trophies this season. A prestigious Fair Play Trophy (based on points) and a Top Scorer of the season will also be awarded according to an official note by KIFF President Mr. Manuel D'Costa. Hipolito Fernandes (Cavelossim-Goa) would be felicitated at the finals for yeomen services over the years towards football at Soor Grounds - Kuwait. Probable line-up of Finalists: Navelim Youth Centre: Britto Pereira / Avelino Dias, Alfred Pires, Inacio Fernandes, Wilson Pires, Christi, Simao Gaunkar, Savio Furtado, Duarte Ferrao, Gasper Crasto, Americo Fernandes, Ivo Rodrigues, Cheema Pires, Ignatius Martins. Coach: Manuel Dias (Ex-Signals Goa player) Team Manager: Johny Louis GOA Maroons: Roman Anthony, Augustine Sequiera, Ian D'Souza, Jerry Mello, Terence Carvalho, Y. Kumar, Joseph Correia, Sudha Swamy, Jose Pereira, James Rebello, Regi Rodrigues, Seby Dias, Julio Cardoso, Jason Pereira, Caetano Miranda, Kunal, Vincent Fernandes, Manuel Dourado. Coach: Gajendra Pillai Team Manager: Assumption D'Sa The myth of football here among Indian expatriates in Kuwait holds that the spectators are the clubs and it's their collective memory which remains constant as players, officials and clubs come and go. One may not certainly see huge crowds and players changing shirts with opposition teams after each match as seen on TV but the euphoria created during some games is nothing less than a 'World Cup' match. Football activities for Indians in Kuwait were started by the expatriate community way back in 1975. As years went by, these activities gained momentum and slowly flourished as more football clubs were formed and the sport became very popular. The Kuwait Indian Football Federation (K.I.F.F.) established in 1984 controls all Expatriates Indians Football activities in Kuwait. Apart from the League, Four(4) Regular; 7-A-Side and 9-A-Side Non-Regular tournaments are organized by clubs affiliated to KIFF. KIFF Committee Members Hon. President - Manuel D'Costa Hon. Vice President - Vinay Kumar Hon.General Secretary - Jack Fernandes Hon.Registrar - Sydney Rodrigues Hon.Sports Secretary - Jerry D'Mello Hon. Asst. Sports Secretary - Clifford Pinto Hon.P.R.O - Anthony Viegas Hon.Treasurer - Jacinto Crasto Hon. Reliever - B. M. Viegas The J.P. Memorial Rolling Trophy - KIFF League is named after late Jerome Pascoal D'Mello (popularly known in India and Kuwait as J.P). Ex-FIFA referee and Member of Asian Football Confederation Re
[Goanet] Happy Birthday: St Britto's
"Happy Birthday: St Britto's, which is 60 years old. Celebrations at St Jerome's Church Mapusa 11 am on July 30, 2006. Football match Loyola's vs. Britto's 11 am on July 31, 2006 at the school grounds" Hi..I have been waiting for the score of this particular game ever since I read it in your column. although this notice appears in you reports even to date, I have not read the results of the game as played on July 31.. Hey, LOYOLA!! anthony. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goan authors..............
Vivian D'Souza wrote: One book, that I have yet to get my hands on is Tivolem by Victor Rangel Ribeiro. When I acquire it, after reading it. it will proudly reside on my shelf in Goa, along with the books by other Goan authors. I sincerely hope that more Goans will buy books by our own Goan authors, not only to encourage them, but also to learn about our Goan history. It is even more amazing and depressing that despite a very large Goan population in the greater Toronto, Canada area where both Silvano and Ben are based, there is such lack-lustre support for our own authors. Dear Vivian, Tivolem should be readily available at the Other India Bookshop ion Mapusa, and in the following bookshops in Panaji: Broadway, Trade Fair (at the Mandovi Hotel), and the Reading Habit. Please do let me know if you have any trouble finding copies at any of these stores. I greatly appreciate your interst in my work. And I heartily endorse your call for our people to support Goan authors by buying their books. May I point out, however, that an "obligation to buy" does not really exist: Certainly one should buy books if one can afford to buy them, and I have in the past made it a practice to buy books even when I could not afford them; however, while I would encourage everybody to buy a book that is truly worthwhile, not all books are created equal. Hundreds of thousands of books are published annually around the world, and probably half of them are not worth owning. So I would recommend that anybody who is interested should visit the local bookstore, and ask to see books by Goan authors. Spend a few minutes leafing through the pages of each; pick the ones you like, and leave the others behind. In literature, as in nature, the fittest will then survive. Regards to all, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Overseas ......
Dear Fred/Goanetters ! PIO v/s OCI Card. What's most suitable ? Regds Percy Ferrao Ealing Road. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Romi Lipi action Front is in Action
ROMI LIPI ACTION FRONT TSKK B.B. Borkar road Alto Porvorim, Goa - 403 521, INDIA E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Convenor: Mr. Wilson Mazarello Mobile: 9822121474 Spokesman: Fr. Pratap Naik, S.J. Mobile: 9850658565 ROMI LIPI ACTION FRONT IS IN ACTION At an impressive meet at Our Lady of Grace Church Hall this evening 7th August, 2006 at 4.30 p.m. under the auspices of the "ROMI LIPI" ACTION FRONT, Prince Jacob made it clear that --- " our demands are for "Romi Lipi" by just making an amendment to section 2(c) by inserting therein "/Roman script" the Goa Daman and Diu Official language Act 1987 and there was no other demand whatsoever. Referring to the decision of the Congress Legislative Party decision of 31st July, 2006 Prince Jacob re- iterated that the decision on Roman script was welcomed and therefore, it would be wrong to draw other conclusions. Prince Jacob also stated that during an interaction held with Mr A R Antulay the Union Minister handling the Minorities portfolio, Mr Antulay assured them that he had already made it very clear at the felicitation function of ex Union Minister Mr Ramakant D Khalap on his 60th birthday, at the Kala Academy on 5th July 2006 that Konknni in Roman script would be made the official language and that Konknni alone is the mother tongue of Goa. Prince Jacob warned the lovers of Roman script, which included a sizeable number of tiatrists some veterans, and others that there was a lot of mis- representation of facts and distortion of news. This was bound to happen since it is for the first time that those for Konknni ONLY in Devanagari script were shocked by the ground swell support, the movement has received from all sections of the Goan society even after 19 years of injustice. Further Prince Jacob reiterated that the seven martyrs would not rest in peace for "Goans shed their blood sweat and tears for Konknni and not for Konknni in Devanagari script -- we were cheated by the likes of Uday L Bhembre who now constitute the think tank of the Congress. He warned that all tiatrists would contest the 40 assembly seats if the government does not go ahead with grant of official language status to Roman script, before the forthcoming polls; at least he would file his nomination against all those who oppose this amendment in the forthcoming elections. Earlier in his opening address Mr Wilson Mazarello veteran tiatrist illustrated the various steps taken beginning from the movement launched by the Dalgado Konknni Akademi since December 2004 before the CLP decision was arrived at. He demanded that there should be an ordinance before 31 August 2006 and later if it does not come about the agitation will start. As Convenor of the "Romi Lipi" Action Front, with office at TSKK B B Borkar Rd, Alto Porvorim, Goa, email id -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], tel No: +91 832 2415857, 241 5864 Mobile 9850658565 Mr Mazarello cautioned the public NOT to be misguided by the Press, which often indulged in half-truths to wean away the forces supporting the language script. Fr Pratap Naik, S.J. now appointed as the sole official spokesperson for the Romi Lipi Action Front since 31st July 2006, informed the public that contrary to what was reported, the beginnings of Konknni in Devanagari was initiated immediately after the Liberation of Goa, when a few Konknni only in Devanagari script protagonists felt in 1964 that Konknni in Devanagari script too should be taught in schools. They cleverly introduced their dialect under the guise of Devanagari script in Catholic schools. Later a ten member Advisory board of the Sahitya Akademi in which except for late Fr Antonio Pereira, S.J. who was a staunch Romi lipi supporter, all others were pro- Konknni ONLY in Devanagari script passed the resolution on 21.11.1981 unanimously adopting a resolution to make Devanagari the script for Konknni. This needs to be undone, as it was not done in consultation with the people of Goa and other Konknnis. He said that this was the beginning of the damage done to our mother tongue. He too reiterated that even as a priest he felt it his moral duty and more so by his vocation to stand by the will of the people and not be cowed down by those who tend to create rifts. Fr Naik stated that most of the Press resorted to distortion of news and provoked confusion. Mr Radharao Gracias ex MLA claimed that his family belonged to freedom fighters they were nationalists as can be seen from the fact that they all have Indian names give to members of his family. Mr Gracias stated that it was common for these pro-Konknni only in Devanagari script protagonists to brand others as antinationalist. " If they were nationalists why should they be wearing pant and shirt instead of dhoties or pudvims?" "Why should the women folk now wear salwar kameez instead of sarees? Why eat p�o and bhaji (made of potatoes, tomatoes and chillies, which were the contribution of Portuguese to Goa
[Goanet] Goa news for August 8, 2006
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Parsvnath wins Goa land bid (NDTV Profit) Parsvnath Developers Limited has been awarded prime land in Panjim, Goa by the state government owned Economic Development Corporate Ltd. Parsvnath bid Rs 45,100 per sq mt for the entire 12,290 sq mt piece of land. The total amount to be paid is estimated to be over Rs 55.4 crore. http://www.ndtvprofit.com/homepage/storybusinessnew.asp?template=&whichstory=n&id=32625 *** Goa celebrates annual harvest festival (New Kerala) Raia (Goa) : Celebrations for the annual harvest festival of ˜Konsachem kicked off in Goa with a priest symbolically cutting a bunch of paddy on Saturday. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=3020 *** Goa may get heavy rain: Met (The Times of India) The coastal belt of Konkan and Goa, Mumbai, and neighbouring Gujarat state are in for extremely heavy rainfall over the next 48 hours. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1863286.cms *** Goa's Fisheries Minister has instructed to execute joint action (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 6: Goa's Fisheries Minister Joaquim Alemao has instructed the senior officers to execute joint action against the motorised canoes (boats) fishing with the banned perse seine nets in the sea. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=3185 *** Goa police ask Parish to employ volunteers (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 7: Following a series of burglaries in churches and chapels in Goa, police have asked the Parish to maintain their own security by employing volunteers to protect church properties. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=3272 *** BJP to bring Goa minister's advertisement to Supreme Court's notice (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 7: Opposition BJP in Goa has decided to bring to the notice of the Supreme Court an advertisement released by a minister in the state cabinet, listing his achievements in the last one year. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=3350 *** Gods unsung craftsmen (Navhind Times) THE Hindu month of Shravan heralds the beginning of the festive season for Hindu families. Ganesh Chaturthi, which is celebrated on the fourth day of the next Lunar month, is the first major festival celebrated by the people of Goa and the surrounding states. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=082039 *** GCCI seeks tax incentives for industry (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 7: The Goa Chamber of Commerce and Industry has sought tax incentives, similar to which have been granted to states like Himachal Pradesh, Sikkim and Uttaranchal, for the state of Goa, in order to arrest flight of investments from the state. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=082023 *** GPCC favours maintaining status quo on language issue (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 7: The large majority of Goa Pradesh Congress Committee which met here today favoured that party should maintain status quo on the language issue even as its president, Mr Ravi Naik told reporters that his party would resolve the issue to the satisfaction of the people of the state ahead of forthcoming general elections to the state assembly. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=082025 *** Goa's spirits high with Konsan Feast (Yahoo! India News) Fields in Goa are green & ready for harvest. The season starts with a unique festival called "Konsan Feast". http://in.news.yahoo.com/060805/211/66gb9.html Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] London Goenkars, please note!!
--- velho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jim Fernandes, > > If considered in pure economic terms, your post is > right on the button. You really would have to be an > idiot, if you were a foreign national(of non-Goan > descent) buying property in Goa for purely > investment purposes in the long term. > Mario asks: > I know several "foreign nationals of non-Goan descent" who purchased property in Goa a few years ago, and the property has more than quadrupled in value and the value continues to increase. > So, can Jim or Sunith please explain how these people are "idiots"??? > And, while you are at it, can you please explain how property values, which are based on supply and demand, vary depending on whether the investor is a Goan or non-Goan? > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] AICHEA DISAKA CHINTOP - Julhaiachi 8vi, 2006!
Man vo borem nanv soten maglear mellonam; to/tem zoddunk zai. (One cannot demand respect or credit; it has to be earned.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The goanet atheism drive
--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The suggestion that if the Axis powers had won the > war in 1945, many would be speaking German is a > possibility and you Japanese. So would the > Americans speak German as Hitler definitely > intended world domination which included America. > He was after all a "rock solid Christian." > Mario responds: > Regardless of what Hitler and Cornel may claim., Hitler did not live by any of the tenets of the rock solid Christian moral code, and so it is patently absurd to call him a rock solid Christian. > Cornel says that Stalin and the Mafioso are Christians because they were born Christians. But, in Cornel's special world, the same logic apparently does not apply to Cornel and Kevin who were also born Christians, or to Santosh and Vivek and Radha who were apparently born Hindus. This is consistent with Cornel's Law, which holds that all truth is like silly-putty, to be molded as convenient. > Cornel writes: > > ...I feel impelled to respond to one of Mario's > utterly absurd repetitions that, because Christians > supposedly follow a Christian moral code, it is > possible to anticipate how they will behave (as > per their code) while this cannot be said for > atheists until they are arrested for infringments > of the law and get arrested. > Mario responds: > What Cornel obviously feels compelled to do is to misrepresent what I said, with absurd comments which raise questions about his ability to comprehend simple English. > My position has been made crystal clear as any of my posts on this subject in the archives will show to anyone but Cornel. My ONLY position on this issue is that we are unable to make facile moral equivalencies between the well-known moral codes of morally based organizations and that of unorganized, individual atheists and agnostics, who make up their own. > In one case we know what the codes are, whereas in the latter case we only know what moral code the individual is following if they get arrested. In between, who knows, as we have nothing to compare them with. > I never said anything anywhere about being able to anticipate anyone'e behavior based on the moral code they subscribe to. > Cornel insists that all atheists are moral, which is an aburd assumption. In the meantime, Elisabeth has demanded that atheists and agnostics not be called evil because they never agreed to be good in the first place. Whatever people do can be defined and re-defined as convenient, she says. To the rest of us this is simply moral relativism. > --- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Has it ever struck you that in the contemporary > world, war is not a step to bring about peaceful > resolutions to conflict and that the way to bring > this about is primarily through diplomacy, however > hard this may appear to be? > Mario responds: > Cornel should know that the only lasting peace in the world followed the defeat of the Axis of Evil, Germany, Japan and Italy, who were forced to surrrender at the end of WW-II, and are now peaceful and democratic countries. There has never been any lasting peace between implacable enemies without such a defeat and surrender. Kashmir, Palestine and Timor are good examples of this. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Deep Vegetarianism
Hi Lenny, I've taken this opportunity to respond after reading your recent post on GoaNet. I too was of the same opinion until a few years ago when I tried vegetarianism on a whim in an effort to curb an ever-expanding waistline. It was after a few months of realizing that I actually could survive without meat that I started investigating the roots of cultural and religious vegetarianism. One of the first books on the subject that I read was 'Diet for a Small Planet' written by Frances Moore Lappe (actually her specialty was ecomomics!) over 30 years ago. Many of the ideas in that book hold true today and unfortunately not much has changed. I would encourage you and others who have the time and inclination to read this book - it just might change your attitude towards meat eating. Here's a review of the issue by someone you might trust: http://americamagazine.org/gettext.cfm?articleTypeID=1&textID=3709&issueID=4 93 Frances and her daughter, Anna, have made this their mission in life: http://www.smallplanetinstitute.org/ Several books later, I encountered an interesting book by Canadian Michael A. Fox entitled 'Deep Vegetarianism' and it put many other aspects of meat eating into perspective. Here are some of the online reviews to pique your 'appetite' http://egj.lib.uidaho.edu/egj11/nagendra1.html http://www.the-philosopher.co.uk/reviews/vegetarianism.htm Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. ps. Approach vegetarianism with caution! It just might change your worldview /ks --- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 01:29:10 -0400 From: lenny dsouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing & Bigotry (attn. G.Pinto) To: goanet@goanet.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello All, Well I think there should not be any ban on cow slaughter, firstly there are people like me who are good beef eaters and mutton nowdays is really costly. Secondly, no one should support this ban, the reason is today there is ban on cow slaughter and serving, the next will be on pigs slaughter and serving them, please have a heart and dont start a new war, we already have enough problems on hand in society today. These things must not be given any air. i sincerely appeal to all to stop these topics, can only cause more harm than good, beef is served, let it be served and the poor man eat one meal. Lenny mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] 'Last Bus to Vasco' goes to Frankfurt
'LAST BUS TO VASCO' GOES TO FRANKFURT After being displayed in Toronto for the Viva Goa festival last week, Goan traveller-poet Brian Mendonca's debut volume of verse - 'Last Bus to Vasco: Poems from Goa' - now heads to Frankfurt for the Frankfurt Book Fair between 4- 8 October 2006. The happy news was conveyed to Brian this morning by Sushama Sonak, Editor, National Book Trust, New Delhi. NBT which will showcase the India pavillion at the event sees 'Last Bus' as an apt representation of 'Today's India' which is the theme for this year where India is the Guest of Honour. Come October the organisers are expecting 280,000 people to come to the book city. On 13 hall levels, around 7,000 exhibitors from 100 countries will introduce more than 350,000 books. The guest of honour for 2007 is Catalonia. Brian is also working on linkages for translation of his work in Spanish and Portuguese at this mega event. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] My Christian Mother.
--- eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I understand > Nasci's baggage, perhaps he belongs to mother's >>Sangolda - Assagao bigot belt, only, i dont > think any of them had access to that mirror George > and i discovered in the > West. Certainly, my mother would have learnt that > half the village could not > be compelled to squat on the church floor because of > their origins ! Nasci: That is exactly what I am complaining about: Why do the Pintos not start doing something about this discrimination. I have said that I want such a movement to originate from the higher castes! Will George and Eric start it?? I discovered the mirror in the West much before you did! thats why I am shouting from the House Tops. I am not a Bigot from Bardez! I am from Salcete, south from the Benaulim Varca araea! I am not even a very religious person, as such; What irks me is, when Caste Hindus and others impose their socio religious culture on peaceful Christians. However, I was brought up in Bombay; and there and later in my in earlier career, I was thrown in close contact with hegemony from the caste hindus. After migration I realised in practice, how much more and true religious and cultural freedom there is in the WEST then in India! Kitea Mundta re?? Nasci Caldeira. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing & Bigotry (attn. G. Pinto-Final))
--- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Nasci > I have my doubts if you truly respect Hindus from > your comments on this forum. You take the > actions of a fanatical few Hindvata types (who are > not real Hindus) to disparage Hindus in > general. NASCI responds: Dear George, I do respect Hindus as people, but cannot find enough reasons/gut to support their beliefs re worship of 'animals'; as also their caste system and prejudices that 'FOREVER' condemn people who so called low born. These are the most idiotic and primitive philosophies and actions ever practiced on Planet Earth! What's worse is they do not keep this private, but are actively 'imposing' these on non believers and agnostics, thru actions like slaughter ban and street saffron cow/ bull FASHION Parades!??? How come you have not spoken out against these? Does this mean that you are yourself 'caste prejudiced' and so primitive in thought to find that animals are above some human beings? How come the majority Hindus, who you say are good, are supporting this Hindutva nonsense; and how come this 'GOOD? majority does not RISE AGAINST these hedeous acts? Hmmm? George Pinto states: Yes, of course the caste system is wrong, > but that is your crutch to attack Hinduism. Nasci explains: This caste system is not something peripheral in its effects on individuals and society; it is the very essence of segregation and apartheid and the misery that engulfs the unfortunate! It's like saying that 'Apartheid in S. Africa should not have been attacked and dismantled; that it was just a 'Crutch' western and Eastern had against the earstwhile regime! Oh George, how much more of this 'pro Hindu Atrocities Bias' are you hiding?? George Pinto states: > you conveniently state it is not part of this > thread, when Goan Catholic injustices are brought to > your attention. If you had the spine, why don't you > address women's equality and Goan Catholics or > do you agree with my comments below. > Nasci responds: Whenever you are talking of discrimination in Goan Catholic Society against women; what you are really talking up is 'MALE CHAUVINISM". This has existed amidst MAN (not sexist here) since the time of Adam and EVE! It continues today in all soieties and religious groups a well as with the non religious groups, eastern and western! What varies is the 'degree of male chauvinism', and its observance! As you would know, it is not peculiar to Goan Catholics or any other group; but is universal. Most prevalent in Muslim society, less so amongst Hindus and Christians and even the Jews have modernised. This 'male chauvinism' "injustice" as you are prone to call it, pales into insignificance when compared to 'everlasting' Casteism and animal worship, and the trampling of Harijans under upper class feet! Do you not think that'GOA SUDHAROP' under your leadership should start with Sudharop of Brahmins and Ksatriyas etc to this end, and the uplifting of the people who are being trodden upon?? Do start with the the Hindu top castes please. Such Sudharop will have a 'greater good impact' on Hindu and Catholic society. Will you and Marlon take up this challenge? I ask Marlon Menezes to donate at least a Million Dollars to this cause, as also his time, talent and sacrifice! Then let him self publish his donation! That is the raeson I say these are matters not in keeping with my original thread. So also your 'now and then' comments on women Priests and cannonised Indian/Goan Saints. Let me tell you that these come under 'Church Reform' Where is your topic under this thread? These do not impact on 'other' communities in any way. Is it not so? No hard feelings, George! just asking for compassionate thinking and ACTION. With regards, Nasci Caldeira. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] WEAR CASTE UP YOUR SLEEVES - TO UNDERSTAND GROUND REALITIES
Some use caste SOLELY to look down on others in society! MOST (specially the "lower caste") use caste to protect and preserve their identity. In India, the Hindus use caste to maintain their religious path (deity) and way of life. In the USA, the caste (each immigrant group) maintained their identity for the same reasons for about two generations. Then they were confident in joining the main stream. But they still strive to maintain their identity through their ethnic religious and social rituals, socials and festivals THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. It is by protecting their identity, many social groups in India and the world have survived in numbers rather than economic wealth. Now these groups are using the same numbers to fight for a share of the political clout and economic wealth. This is something that Catholic Goans (the smart and intelligent) can learn from others. Kind Regards, GL godfrey gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The indelible mark of caste -- has been the hallmark of rise or fall in the Indian social ladder. It is merit by birth and not ones worth that dictates your social status. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Regarding Banking In Goa
I fully agree with Albert. Service standards have been been spiraling down hill. I normally avoid banking transactions as much as I can. Queues often form in a bank not because of large customer volumes but because of slow, indifferent and incompetent and disgruntled employees. A Cashier will not attend to another chore other than cash and a Fix Deposit clerk will only attend to Fix Deposits which means there are queues at the Savings counter even though a Fix Deposit or other clerks are free. The staff are reluctant to accept soiled notes or coins but the have no problem in handing out soiled notes. It would be nice to have a a staff attended to you with a smile ; but the minimum acceptance level should be professional service. In Singapore where I work; banking is very efficient. With the exception of safe deposit lockers; there is one common queue for all transactions, cash, fix deposits, savings, foreign currency and other services. All counter clerks handle any of the banking tasks from pass book updates, deposit and withdrawal of cash, fix deposits and savings. Every clerk and customer is monitored with a surveillance camera. The KPI- Key Performance Indicator of the clerk is measured on Customer volume handled per hour; Complexity of task managed ; Innovative idea in dealing with a situation; customer feedback; aptitude and attitude to customers. Customer complaints are taken very very seriously - strong enough to get a warning letter or even loose the job. Even so every bank has at least one ATM in a 100 meter radius which can handle withdrawals, deposits and payments of bills. And there is also Internet banking which allows you non-cash transactions from home. Unlike in Goa ; banking staff do not have the time to gossip, knit clothes; sleep on the desk ; go for tea breaks ; drop children to school and back or run shopping errands during office hours. I once went to a bank in Panjim to open an NRI Fix Deposit only to be told that the Senior staff had gone for tea and could I wait for him? Nonetheless they lost my deposit and even my account. Not all bank staff are bad there are many good ones too; I found a friendlier staff at SBI Panjim branch; perhaps I was lucky because I happened to know her. But I prefer to deal with banks that are small and in the village area as service is excellent . Once foreign banks come to Goa ; services standards will improve. Alan ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] "ROMI LIPI " ACTION FRONT
Once "Romi Lipi" script is made an official script, what are the specific implications/impact? What specifically will change given equal status? 1. Will govt. funding for Romi script be mandated? 2. Will school curriculum change? 3. Will govt. correspondence change? 4. Will voting ballots have to include the script? 5. etc. If anyone can reply, much appreciated. Please list all potential changes. Thanks. Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] World Goa Day origins & some brief histor
Let's just call it Goans Fight Over Credit Day. That's typically us! FN ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] re five freedom fighters to attend function in New Delhi
Probably it's the same reason (minus the conspiracy theories) why one Dr Jose "Joe" Colaco, whose heart bleeds for Goa, lives in the distant Bahamas, doling out advice to all and sundry from, to quote myself very immodestly, half a globe away. Or maybe the same reason why a Frederico "Frederick" Noronha, who lives in Goa, doesn't wear his Goanity on his sleeve or doesn't seem to care too much about the issues exercising the minds of expats all across the globe. Is this a suitable answer for a much-asked question? FN On 07/08/06, Jose Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On a partially related topic, I still wonder why the good Dr. Pundalik > Gaitonde left Goa a few years after 1961. Does not make sense when on > considers that he was among the leading lights in the struggle to exit the > Portuguese from Goa. Does anybody know? -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 4000+ copylefted photos to share from Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] "ROMI LIPI " ACTION FRONT
At an impressive meet at Our Lady of Grace Church Hall this evening 7th August, 2006 at 4.30 p.m. (despite sudden torrential rains which dampened the spirits of "the Romi affecianados" desiring to attend the meet in large numbers )under the auspices of the "ROMI LIPI" ACTION FRONT, Prince Jacob made it clear that --- " our demands are for "Romi Lipi" by just making an amendment to section 2(c) by inserting therein "/Roman script" the Goa Daman and Diu Official language Act 1987 and there was no other demand whatsoever. Referring to the decision of the Congress Legislative Party decision of 31st July, 2006 Prince Jacob re-iterated that the decision on Roman script was welcome and therefore, it would be wrong to draw other conclusions. Prince Jacob also stated that during an interaction held with Mr A R Antulay the Union Minister handling the Minorities portfolio, Mr Antulay assured them that he had already made it very clear at the felicitation function of ex Union Minister Mr Ramakant D Khalap on his 60th birthday, at the Kala Academy on 5th July, 2006 that Konkani in Roman script would be made the official language and that Konkani alone is the mother-tongue of Goa. Prince Jacob warned the lovers of Roman script which included a sizeable number of teatrists some veterans, and others that there was a lot of mis-representation of facts and distortion of news. This was bound to happen since it is for the first time that those for Konkani ONLY in Devanagari script were shocked by the ground swell support, the movement has recieved from all sections of the Goan society even after 19 years of injustice. Prince Jacob launched a strong diatribe against veteran journalist Mr Lambert Mascarehnas a native of Colva settled in Panaji (ex Editor of Goa Today )who cast aspersions on the tiatrists at large and Prince Jacob in particular. "How could this gentleman who admits in his opening remarks in a small article on the Heraldcaptioned "Is script greater than language ? " that he is ---niether a writer nor reader of Konkani " yet feels that Prince Jacob does not have the intellectual ability to pursue this issue? It may be noted that Mr Mascarenhas now well over 90 years and publisher of the book "sorrowing lies my land" was in full support of the priests Fr James Couto, Saligao Seminary, Fr Mousinho de Ataide Professor of Canon Law at Rachol Seminary, Fr Lino Florindo, Professor and Dean of Theology Pilar Seminary, Fr Moreno de Souza editor of "Konkani Roti" who felt that Konkani only in Devanagari script should continue and the official language left untouched. Further Prince Jacob reiterated that the seven martyrs will not rest in peace for "Goans shed their blood sweat and tears for Konkani and not for Konkani in Devanagari script -- we were cheated by the likes of Uday L Bhembre who now constitute the think tank of the Congress. He warned that all tiatrists will contest the 40 assembly seats if the government does not go ahead with grant of official language status to Roman script, before the forthcoming polls; atleast he would file his nomination against all those who oppose this amendment in the forthcoming elections. Earlier in his opening address Mr Wilson Mazarello veteran tiatrist, illustrated the various steps taken beginning from the movement launched by the Dalgado Konkani Academy since December, 2004 before the CLP decision was arrived at. He demanded that there should be an ordinance before 20th August 2006 and later if it does not come about the agitation will start. As Convenor of the "Romi Lipi" Action Front, with office at TSKK B B Borkar Rd, Alto Porvorim, Goa, email id -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], tel No: +91 832 2415857, 241 5864 Mobile 9850658565 Mr Mazarello cautioned the public NOT to be misguided by the Press which often indulged in half truths to wean away the forces supporting the language script. Fr Pratap Naik now appointed as the sole official spokesperson for the Romi Lipi Action Front since 31st July 2006, informed the public that contrary to what was reported, the beginnings of Konkani in Devanagari was intiated immediately after the Liberation of Goa, when a few Konkani only in devanagari script protoganists felt in 1964 that if Marathi was adopted as the medium of education then Konkani in devanagari script too should be taught in schools. Later a ten member Advisory board of the Sahitya Akademy in which except for late Fr Antonio Pereira who was a staunch Romi lipi supporter, all others were pro- Konkani ONLY in devanagari script passed the resolution on 21.11.1981 unanimously adopting a resolution to make devanagari the script for Konkani. This needs to be undone as it was not done in consulation with the people of Goa. He said that this was the beginning of the damage done to our mother tongue. He too reiterated that even as a priest he felt it his moral duty and moreso by his vocation to stand by the will of the people and not be cowed down by those wh
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 1, World Sorpotel Day!
Yes, and why not call it a Sorpotel Day? bcoz in Mumbai for this World Goa Day celebration (although last year we celebrated it as 'World Konkani Day') what we have been achieving for the past 4 years is a very good sale of soprotel & san'nas, more than spread Konkani or Goan ethos & culture. Fausto George Pinto wrote:- > Dear Dominic > > The issue is not naming the day. Now that Marathi is being proposed as an official language of > Goa, I can forsee someone suggesting the name as World Goa/Konkani Day/Marathi Day or Goa Language > Day. Then non-vegetarians may want it named after their eating habits, then the vegans, etc. The > real issue is what should Goans DO to celebrate. I am afraid in this respect, most Goans prefer > words to action. > > Regards, > George > > --- domnic fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Mogall Goenkar bhav-bhoinnanim, > > > > August 20 is sixteen days away when we will be celebrating ?World Goa Day?. > > This date also happens to be the 14th anniversary of the inclusion of our > > Konkani language in the VIII Schedule of the Indian Constitution. This is > > exactly why Miguel Braganza has suggested that it also be celebrated as the > > ?World Konkani Day?. > > > > This message is to request Goans/Goan Associations all over the world to > > patronize Konkani by using it in connection with the World Goa Day. From > > now on, I suggest that the subject line read as ?World Goa/Konkani Day? > > (Sonvsari Goyem/Konknni Bhas Dis.) The translation of the title will not > > only lend solidarity but will also announce to the world that we are > > celebrating a Goan function. I also suggest that ?World Goa/Konkani Day? > > functions end with the following slogan: > > > > ?Viva World Goa Day - Viva Konkani! > > > > Have a wonderful World Goa/Konkani Day 2006! > > > > Moi-mogan, > > Domnic Fernandes > > Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Albert writes
Albert writes Many of us do not know the meaning of Christianity. Many of us simply will make noise in the name of religion. There is no better religion than the religion of love which Christ taught, the Hinduism also contains the same, and the Islam also contains the same yet we find it so difficult to practice the religion of love. We have put barriers among ourselves and have divided ourselves unnecessaryily. First the christians should practice love. They should first love themselves. we drown ourselves with liquor at the bar ruining our health. No love between husband and wives. Today the children lack love and instead of embracing their sweet little children they run away from them. We want to practice our religion with family planning which is against God's plan. If you cannot bear children as God wants you to have please stop going to church or temple or place of worship. Children are God's gift to us how can you refuse them? albert _ Spice up your IM conversations. New, colorful and animated emoticons. Get chatting! http://server1.msn.co.in/SP05/emoticons/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Some wild speculation
Despite being pressed for time, I feel impelled to respond to one of Mario's utterly absurd repetitions that, because Christians supposedly follow a Christian moral code, it is possible to anticipate how they will behave (as per their code) while this cannot be said for atheists until they are arrested for infringments of the law and get arrested. Firstly, were it possible to anticipate infringments of the law, by Christians or by atheists, there simply would not be a need to spend vast quantites of money regulating people through the legal process. Secondly, atheists, in say the USA, are an absolute and insignificant minority. The vast amount of crime in the USA is definitely committed by "rock solid Christians"--the bulk of the population. Of course, Mario would now be capable of saying that the criminal population were not Christian because they had transgressed Christian teaching. What a Charlie? Cornel ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gilbert's Wisdom
<> Actually, I didn't want to respond to it and make myself a sucker, but it's too tempting a revelation..:--) Cheers, RKN ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] re five freedom fighters to attend function in New Delhi
courtesy: [Goanet] Goa news for August 7, 2006 http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=2186 Goa govt names five freedom fighters to attend function Panaji: Goa Government has named five freedom fighters to attend the `At Home' function to be hosted by the President of India on August 9 at Rashtrapati Bhavan in New Delhi. The freedom fighters are President of Goa Freedom Fighters Association, Vasant Molio, President of Goa Freedom Fighters Forum for Social Justice, Onifacio Dias, Pandurang Kunkoliencar, Ronaldo Coutinho and Prabhakar Yende. jc's comment The above news item courtesy GoaNet is a delight to read. I assume that there is a spelling error in the name of Bonifacio Dias. It would have been nice, would it not, to also have included Lambert Mascarenhas, Prabhakar Sinari, Gurunath Kelekar and Roque Santana Fernandes? On a partially related topic, I still wonder why the good Dr. Pundalik Gaitonde left Goa a few years after 1961. Does not make sense when on considers that he was among the leading lights in the struggle to exit the Portuguese from Goa. Does anybody know? Would anyone know if Goa has done anything to substantially honour Dr. Gaitonde? BTW: Is it possible that some of our Goa Freedom Fighters eventually applied for, obtained and utilised the Bilhetes de Identidade Português to travel intra-Europe as EU (Portuguese) Nationals? Is there any truth to the story that a certain Freedom Fighter's birth records in Goa were destroyed by a fire, and that another may have torn a page of his wife's birth records from the Registrar of Births and Deaths in Margão? Is it possible that also because of alleged incidents of this type that the records of births and deaths prior to 1961 are in the state that they are and, for some individuals, may be unobtainable from the records. Personally, I found a visit to the Margao and Mapuca offices of the Registrar of Births and Deaths, quite an adventure. Have a happy, productive and peaceful week everyone jc please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Opposing views welcome. The views on The Goan Forum website belong exclusively to the authors of the posts. Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women (2)
--- Radhakrishnan Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As far as I know, there's no evidence of "rape > rooms". I must admit that most of my knowledge > about Iraqi affairs is acquired through the > media. There's evidence of "torture rooms", plenty > of it, and they were used against political rivals. > > Saddam's sons, particularly the elder one Uday, were > said to be extremely cruel. Uday allegedly took > saddistic pleasure in torturing whoever crossed his > path. But, according to eye-witnesses, he never > actively participated in the process though he > apparently enjoyed watching his preys getting > roasted by his minions. He once shot a > friend to death just because the latter refused to > part with his sports car! He publically beat a > woman to death for "fixing" a keep for Saddam. > Mario observes: > Hmmmnn! Uday once SHOT a "friend" to death but he NEVER "actively participated in torturing whoever crossed his path". Ever hear of the Iraqi soccer team who were beaten by Udai for losing a soccer match? > Some people will believe anything, and, in some cases, nothing they don't want to. Radha and Cornel fall into the latter category. These guys are amazing apologists for the Islamo-fascists, even though they are Indians, who were the original victims of Islamo-fascist terrorists. Tens of thousands of their fellow-Indians have been killed for the same ostensibly territorial reasons that they targeting and are killing innocent Jews in the middle-east for. > Radha writes: > > "Rape rooms" seem to be a figment of the neocons' > imagination. For them, truth is what Dubya tells > them it is! > Mario responds: > a) Radha, by pretending to know the difference between a neo-con and a conservative you are embarrassing yourself once again. You don't know the difference based on your comment above. > b) How about an Iraqi refugee in the US who actually had his wife and daughter raped in front of him and then killed while he was spared so he could go tell his tribe what awaited them if they continued to oppose Saddam? Sorry, I didn't ask him if he had a DNA sample for Cornel's benefit. In the meantime, Cornel, while advocating for them on Goanet, refuses to believe anything that Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran say about wanting to destroy israel. So much for demanding evidence. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
Hi Mario You sure waste many people's time and to no avail. Your's is a voice in the wilderness with no credibility at all on virtually everything you have ever said on Goanet. When are you going to figure out this simple fact? Has it ever struck you that in the contemporary world, war is not a step to bring about peaceful resolutions to conflict and that the way to bring this about is primarily through diplomacy, however hard this may appear to be? War can only be of absolutely last resort and your favourite case of Iraq was not one of these by any stretch of the imagination. What Iraq showed was the serious lack of political judgement in the manifestation of American foreign policy. Sadly, it was supported by our poodle-- Blair. Has it ever struck you that the Arabs in the Middle East feel that they have been hard done by with the predominantly Western driven idea and reality of Israel? It is becoming increasingly clear that, they have no time for the UN creation of Israel even though I have been consistent about my wish to have a two state solution--Palestine and Israel. However, until now, Israel has never come clean, nor have you, about the return of all occupied territory as an article of faith to encourage negotiation. The current war is not really about the incursion of Hizbullha to capture two Israeli soldiers. It is much more about the assertion that Israel should get out of substantial occupied lands that it is actively colonising. For the first time, Israel has not found it easy to take on the enemy. Hizbullha has managed to win admiration in the Arab world through its determination and tenacity to take on Israel. Its success, even if limited, has serious implications for those Arab states that have had a cosy relationship with America. The possibility of a Caliphate in the Middle East is now greater than ever, thanks to contemporary American lack of understanding of the world outside its own horizon. Finally, time and demography is on the side of the Palestinian Arabs. Israel had better wake up to this reality and start genuine and honest negotiation urgently. However, if it wants to live in a prison of its own making it is welcome to try. But if it is not careful, as the colonial power that it is, it may well be on its way out whether we like it or not. Cornel PS Re your religious views, I think they are pretty dated and almost medieval. You do sound like consistently uttering the wisdom of Old Testament prophets! You are welcome to this but please stop trying to ram this into people who have moved on from your dinosaur's position where the grey cells appear to have become truly fossilised. - Original Message - From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.
Hi Lenny I was not trying to prove anything for starters when I raised a point with A. Veronica Fernandes. As he had indicated rape in Goa in 1961 and in Kuwait in 1990, it seemed absolutely reasonable to seek some hard evidence in terms of figures etc from him (or indeed from anyone else) if he had it as he was close to the scenes. All I have got from you is gratuitous spleen. Of course, we all know that rape takes place, sometimes extensively, in times of war. I know this and most others do and therefore do not need to be told this yet again by your good self! I was seeking some hard evidence of the actuality. You do not seem to be able to provide this hard evidence and your sermon to me was therefore vacuous. Cornel - Original Message - From: "lenny dsouza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] > What are you trying to say? that the others are not hungry? You must be > leaving on the moon, last year, girls in delhi were picked up from the > streets > and raped. Girl in mumbai was raped by police, This has not happened in > the > arab world. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
Are people who cannot write a single paragraph on Goanet without abusing others god-fearing? Also, is being god-fearing considered to be opposite of being beneath contempt? Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Subject: Re: a bone to pick with Bosco:Goanet admin
Hello Bosco, [Jen, I'm quite surprised by your outburst. You're doing more than "pick a bone" with me. For starters, it would have been fair to you and me, if you had kindly posted your original message to Goanet and my response to you alongwith your outburst below. I have neither your original message or my response to you. If I recollect correctly, you were enquiring who was the moderator of the WGD yahoogroup and what was the criteria to join that yahoogroup. I responded suggesting you contact Rene Barretto.] - Jen: Thank you for the clarification of your block of & response to my post on Goanet. It was indeed strange that you chose to personally answer my query when it was directed at a larger resource on Goanet. Outburst...is a strong term. Did you really wish me to post the original mail and your response to Goanet? You did direct me to Rene. Regarding your points: -- 1) It appears you did not contact Rene Barretto. Because if you did, you would have learnt that Rene is/was a MODERATOR of the WGD yahoogroup. George Pinto has indicated that he created and disabled the yahoogroup. He is *the* OWNER. Your subject message to Goanet was certainly long before George 'disabled' the WGD yahoogroup (I think)? 1. I had assumed Rene was a moderator of WGD. But IF that were true, he would have received the group membership approval mail from yahoo. But since it was not approved in the time frame required and was rejected, I was surprised and thus the query on Goanet. WGD, I believed, was for all Goans and there should not have been any problem being a member of the WGD. But there was no chance for anyone to respond to my query, as it didnt appear on Goanet. Regarding emailing Rene about the membership; IF he was the moderator and had not responded to the mail he had received from yahoo, how could I hope he had the time to respond to mine? But that is another matter and not the bone I wished to pick with you. 2) There are many messages that come to Goanet that are innocuous queries. People ask for addresses / phone nos / emails of institutions and people in Goa. Some ask for music. We respond directly without sending the message to Goanet. As a moderator I can only read the content of the email and understand what is said. I cannot read the intent of the poster unless you are one of the very few vocal Goanetters who persist in generating and participating in flame-wars and indulge in several attempts to embarrass fellow Goanetters. I considered your query an innocuous one and gave you the right information at the time. I did not understand then or now what is the significance of your query and why you think it deserved to be 'censored'. 2. If my post was innocuous, why not let someone else on goanet answer my question since it was obviously beyond your comprehension what/ why I was querying? I didnt think it deserved to be censored or answered by you privately: that was the cause of my puzzlement! 3) Goanet would not like to act as a megaphone for needless dissent and infighting among Goans who are all trying to reach fellow Goans thru their websites, mailing lists, etc. Goanet would instead like to support them -you see several posts from fellow Goans publicising their websites and mailing lists on Goanet. I would hope those individuals would afford Goanet the same opportunity by publicising Goanet on their websites, mailing lists, etc. 3. Am I guilty of any of these? 4) Email is an impersonal mode of communication and people can be easily misunderstood. But if we persevere in using it and communicate a lot more with each other, we will not end-up building walls around ourselves, from behind which to throw flame-darts at each other. Too bad you bottled-up your frustrations and harboured these thoughts all these months. An email to me would have cleared up the air rather than foster these feelings of mistrust all this time. 4. I tried to communicate with goanetters with that little post. I believe it was you who disallowed it. Yes, too bad you didnt realize how a little action on your part has lead to a grave misunderstanding. There was no mistrust from my side just astonishment. B:I hope I have addressed your apprehensions. If you have any further public or private comments to make with regard to this issue, feel free to air them.The less suspicious we are of each other, the better for all of us - for our own sake and the Global Goan community. Jen: I am not suspicious of anyone. You need to know me better before you make statements like that. Again, I thank you very much for your kind deliberation on this bone that I have picked with you. I wish that you would learn to trust goanet posters more and not misunderstand their intent behind posts. I do appreciate that you give a lot of time and effort to the Goanet administration. Best Wishes - Bosco Goanet Admin The bone stands picked. The matter is now closed. (handshake) Warm re
[Goanet] Anothe new VCD: Chovis Voram
VCD No.90 CHOVIS VORAM by Simon Gonsalves(R&R) With Felcy, Mini Mario, Willy Silveira, Jessica, Adrian, Jessie Dias, Sylvia, Seby Pinto Caitani DCosta etc. Comedians- Ambe, Agostinho, Aurelio Rs.150 Aug.2006 Its a good quality print VCD/film of about 75 minutes duration. Outdoor shooting with bollywood touch such as love song sequence (Willy& Jessica) with up to 7 diiferent dresses changing up to 22 times in about four minutes/song, little bit of Goondagiri, Dishum-dishum, Khun-karaba etc. The film tells you the importance/value of time hence the title Chovis Voram In other words, it is all about.. TIME IS MONEY TIME AND TIDE WAIT FOR NO MAN WASTED TIME NEVER RETURNS Congratulations to Simon Gonsalves and his entire team. Konkani Test: Chovis Voram (24 hours) but.. if you insert 's' after 'r' it becomes (24 years) Replace V (Voram) with T, it becomes (24 raw mangoes) Replace V (Chovis) with R, it becomes (sausage) There are various other combinations, can you ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing & Bigotry
Dear Mervyn, What you have written is not true! Secondly, pls note that one does not have to go to the Church/Temple or Mosque to worship/pray. God is everywhere. One does not become a pious Christian if u are in Rome or a pious Hindu if u are in Mathura or pious Muslim if you are Mecca.. .all that you need to have is a rock solid FAITH. Dev borem korum Edward Verdes - KSA http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Uncomfortable truths about modern competitive societies
Hi Mervyn Am just curious to know how far in altitude Mario himself got to. After all, he must have believed and acted on his own advice to others. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Mervyn Lobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 2:47 PM Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1. A POSITIVE ATTITUDE IS YOUR MOST PRICELESS > > POSSESSION. > > > > 2. YOUR ATTITUDE DETERMINES YOUR ALTITUDE. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women/response Valmiki
<> I'm trying to figure out who would fancy being in a rape room with Mario -- a la "hum tum ek kamre mein bandh ho...!" Cheers, RKN ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] QUOTE FOR TODAY
A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. ---George Bernard Shaw __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] http://apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com/
Dear Rico I am glad you have sent a reminder. Goanet readers need to see and discuss what is there in the blog as related to Goa and leave the other issues to zionists and anti-semites. One relevant issue in that blog is about the «subaltern classes of the Portuguese colonial empire». These were the classes patronized by the empire but also marginalized in some way. They acted as connecting thread of the dispersed treks of the colonial empire, which Boxer once described as a «shoe-string empire»! Goan doctors, Azorean prelates, Cabo Verdian administrative bureaucrats were some such «subalter classes». Oxfored based Indian historians under the leadership of Ranajit Guha (now retired in Australia) developed the well-knwon «Subalter Studies» in 80s. Their reading departed from the original Gramscian concept of subaltern classes, and concentrated on the lower ranks of subalternity as a third force (popular masses) that were ignored by the imperial elites and also the nationalist native elites that gained from the transfer of power at the time of independence. The Subaltern Studies were provoked by the Naxalbari movement in 70s. The analysis of the subaltern elites in the Portuguese empire would be interesting, particularly to understand why there did not develop any serious independence movements within the colonies, or without helps from outside the colonies! My hunch is that the subaltern elites in the Portuguese colonies had not reached a level of subalternity that could lead those elites (as it happened in the rest of India or elsewhere in the other colonial empires) to seek independence. It is in this connection that I would appreciate any discussion in this forum. The rest of «reng-te-teng» of Goanet may continue to entertain the habitués. Most discussions on Goanet seem to contain nothing that comes even close to any original research, adding nothing to statement of one's pet opinions. There is nothing wrong in that too, except when it gets translated into nasty wars of words, short of «gai-fosteo»! Teotonio R. de Souza From: "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com (2) To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Guys, let's discuss apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com ... preferably it's view of Goan history, it's biases and perspectives, and related issues. Why do you'll guys fly off to Israel, the West Bank and other parts of the globe at the slightest pretext? As you probably know, we humble South Asian residents and 'desi' citizens have a lot of difficulties in getting visas to visit different parts of the globe. (I almost got refused a visa to Bangladesh recently! But that might have had sometime to do with my disreputable profession.) So let's stay in *Goa* while on GOAnet. Stay ONtopic, unless you have a good pretext not to. Avoid abuses and name-calling, however you dislike another Goanetter's point of view. This is what Goanet rules requires us to do. --FN http://apostarnahistoria.blogspot.com/2006/06/investigao-uma-psico-histria-conectada.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Freedom to Rock Goa soon
Think Geek Media & Event Productions brings a four day rock-retro club concert series (Aug 11-14), a five day `Monsoon Art Festival' (Aug 21-22) and a five day celebrity radio chat show on Rainbow FM (Aug 11-15) to commemorate Independence Day in Goa. Think big. Multiply it by three. The Richter scale is going to jump a fair amount beginning Aug 11 to 25 when Goa rocks to Seagram's Fuel Freedom Rock 2006 in a unique three-event art, radio and club concert festivals spread over the entire month of August, in a commemorative celebration of Independence Day. Setting a benchmark in 2004 with a unique 3-city, 3-day rock and art roadshow at Margao, Vasco and Panjim, subsequently following it with a roaring 3 day rock and retro festival in 2005, Seagram's Fuel Freedom Rock 2006 sets new benchmarks this year with an innovative three event festival to commemorate the 59th Independence Day of India: 'Freedom Stroke' - The Monsoon Art Festival (Aug 21-25), Kala Academy 'Freedom Speak' - Dare to Belong show (Aug 11-15), Rainbow FM 'Freedom Rock 2006' - Rock & Retro Club Festival (Aug 11-14), La Calypso, Clue Blue, Baga. Uniting the artistic talent of Goa's best known art personalities in a rare coming together of 25 artists, the five day art exhibition and lecture series titled `Freedom Stroke - The Monsoon Art Festival' held at the Kala Academy (Aug 21-25) features the `Who's Who' of the Goan art fraternity like Suhas Shilker, Antonio E Costa, Francis D'Souza, Santosh Morajkar, Pradeep Naik, Chaitali Morajkar, Yolanda De Souza, Apurva Kulkarni, Harsada Kerkar, Anand Mohan Naik, Alexyz, Rajendra Usapkar, Hitesh Pankar, Tanya Mendonsa and others, curated by artist DeviPrasad Rao. Giving voice to the Right to Expression in a dose of lively free-wheeling interviews with Goan celebrities is Seagram's Fling `Dare to Belong Show,' on Rainbow FM (Aug 11-15) at 9.00pm to 9.30pm. Getting upclose with Wendell Rodricks, Savio Jon, Remo Fernandes, Manohar Parrikar, Hema Sardessai, Cecil Pinto, Malini Ramani, Ethel Da Costa, Dr Oscar Rebello, Bondo, Rahul Alvares and others, RJ Sachin will spice the airwaves with the best of Indian and international rock-retro-fusion music. Supported by Senior - The Shoe Store, the show also marks the radio release of `End of Innocence' a collaborative single album by rock-fusion band Kismet and Lethal Ethyl supported by Children's Rights of Goa (Aug 15). Raring to go this year giving music a universal flavour of patriotism is the unique four day concert run-up to Independence Day, Seagram's Fuel 'Freedom Rock 2006' (Aug 11 -14) at La Calypso, Baga. Beginning 10.30pm onwards, the concerts bring together the best high profile music maestros from Goa and Mumbai. Spinning the wheel will be Goa's own DJ Troy and Ajit along with Page 3 party circuit maestros DJ Hash, DJ Adi and DJ Clement from Mumbai to dynamic live sounds of rock-retro bands Tidal Wave, 2 Sharp 2 B Flat and Soul Trip from Goa. The event also brings together beauty giants Kaya Skin Clinic and Snip-L'Oreal Professional for instant makeovers to a glamorous party run-up to Independence Day. Supported by Kingfisher and La Calypso Hotels, Seagram's Fuel `Freedom Rock 2006' is conceptualized and managed by Think Geek Media & Event Productions, Goa. == ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] GFA kicks off Lusofonia Games camp
Anyone out there know? What is the connotation of Lusofonia? http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=081956 GFA kicks off Lusofonia Games camp NT Sports Reporter Panaji, Aug 6: The Goa Football Association (GFA) began preparations for the first Lusofonia Games football championship to be held in Macau from October 7-15 with the preliminary coaching camp getting under way under the supervision of Portuguese coach Joao Pedro. Goa will be fielding basically an under-21 team with 3 players being an exception, on the pattern of Olympic football. The threesome in the 20-member squad have already been identified as Nicholas Rodrigues, who is curently involved in a fierce dispute bewteen Sporting Clube de Goa and Mahindra United, Louis Barretto and Philip Gomes, both of Sporting Clube de Goa. The under-21 players have been drawn from Dempo, Churchill Bros, Vasco, Sporting, Raia and Velsao Pale, stated Mr Savio Messias, GFA secretary. After the preliminary camp, players will be shortlisted for a 12-day closed camp which will be followed by another camp before the team leaves for Macau. The football event, however, will begin on October 4, while the inaugural will be held three days later. Mr Messias disclosed that the Portuguese coach Rui was assessing the strengths of 35 players selected for the screening camp with a view to identify their positions. Once the players analysis is finalised, the number is expected to be pruned and tactical training stressed on. With the assistant coach Mauricio Afonso with the India team helping India national coach Bob Houghton, Mr Henry Brito has been providing the necessary support and looking after the managerial affairs. With the draw not yet been announced, Mr Messias said he did not know who the Goa's opponents will be and added that it will be a tough competition since Angola, Brazil, Cape Verde, Guinea-Bissau, Macau (China), Mozambique, Portugal, Sao Tome & Principe, East Timor - the nations participating in the Games - will be at full strength and will be fielding their full-fledged national teams. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
