[Goanet] Dr. Neela Vas, a life well lived...

2006-08-08 Thread Valmiki Faleiro
Dr. Neela Vas, a life well lived...

By Valmiki Faleiro


I was in the idyllic island village of Chorao last but one Monday ago. To 
celebrate a life.

Isles and islands fascinate me, be they hamlets or villages, cities or city-
states. Chorao or Divar, Ibiza or Singapore. My 'dekko' of Old Goa to visiting 
friends must include an evening ferry ride to Chorao or Divar, to catch the 
setting sun. I confess to a partiality to Divar.

I am a grandson of Piedade, one of Divar's revenue villages. My father's 
family, one of the two original 'Faleiros' of Margao, imported a daughter of 
the "Sa's" of Piedade one generation and exported one of their own to them the 
next -- in the last three successive generations. Aunts on both parent's sides 
were married in Divar, where I spent some splendid holidays.

Divar spawned most of original Goan businessmen, a few great men of letters, 
and greater men in cassocks, even a revolutionary Bishop. Divar provided the 
unforgettable "Luizinha mojea Luizinha" and, in my younger days, the most 
lissome of damsels. All a heady mix, a surefire ticket to hell or heaven, 
depending on one's perception. And this, of course, without meaning the 
slightest affront to 'Chonnekars.'

I was in Chorao to bid farewell to Dr. Neela, Consultant Paediatrician at 
Goa's Manipal hospital and wife of GMC's Neuro consultant, Dr. Chicot Vas -- 
as well as sister to Dr. Anil Pinto, my Mumbai friend. Driving from the ferry 
point, the stately Piedade church came into view, to the right. I spotted a 
garish-red domed structure I had never seen before, marring the church façade. 
I had spent many a night on the lower reaches of the hillock, which that 
church majestically straddles, during holidays at an aunt's mansion at Goltim.

The colour of the domes was a shock. Not as much, to be sure, as when I heard 
that a perfectly hale Dr. Neela had suffered a cardiac arrest. Her first, and, 
alas, fatal. Ironic for a person who all her professional life manifested a 
big, magnanimous heart.

Neela hailed from a family with such propensity for a particular profession -- 
medicine and surgery -- that its crowd of doctors made it difficult to spot 
the ones who were not. A Pinto from Candolim, but born and bred in Mumbai. Her 
parents, both doctors, Charlie and Denise, built Dadar's "Dr. Pinto Hospital," 
now run by her brother Anil, his wife Marieanne and sister, Sunita. Arun, a 
younger brother in the U.S. is, but what else, a doctor.

Neela treated two generations of patients, kids who themselves grew into 
mothers, and their kids. She spent some 40 years in practice, largely at 
Mumbai's celebrated Wadia Women & Children's hospital. If the father, Dr. 
Charlie Pinto was a living legend in the metro, his eldest daughter had 
scripted her own chapter there. She relocated to Goa, perhaps with some 
regret, when her husband took an assignment at GMC a few years ago. Dr. 
Chicot, originally from Chorao, is also a Mumbai product. He achieved such 
eminence in Neurology in Mumbai that Parrikar, when Chief Minister, requested 
him to return to kick-start that branch of medicine at Goa Medical College.

Fr. Valerian Vaz, Director of Caritas-Goa and former Professor at Rachol 
Seminary (no relation to her), succinctly recalled Neela -- the doctor, the 
person -- in his homily. "She was strong, for others," Rev. Vaz said. "She had 
an unwavering commitment to her profession. She was equal to all, transcending 
man-made differences. She died with her boots on."

On the fateful morning, Neela crossed the Chorao ferry and drove towards work 
at Dona Paula. She stopped at Panjim to pick the day's newspapers, when she 
suddenly felt pain in her chest. She was rushed to GMC's ICCU but, in four 
hours, "slipped into the shadows, like how a ship sails into the night," as 
her brother Anil put it at the church service.

"A beautiful way to go," Isabel de Santa Rita Vas, our theatre persona 
remarked, stealing words from my mouth. But as I said, in the context of 
litterateur Dr. Manoharrai Sardesai, great people don't die. Neela lives in 
the hearts of multitudes, whose lives she healed and touched.

Saint Bartolomeu's in Chorao is as beautiful as any of Goa's quintessential 
churches. The ambience inspires the soul, even if the precincts could do with 
better maintenance. Just before the service, I met Walli Lima Fernandes, scion 
of one of Chorao's biggest bhatkars. I told him that unlike Divar, Chorao had 
many "modern" constructions. He said I would be surprised at the number of 
foreigners now domiciled in Chorao. I was not. There were quite a number at 
church and cemetery, to bid farewell to a daughter-in-law of the island, 
returning home.  (ENDS)


The Valmiki Faleiro weekly column at:

http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=330

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The above article appeared in the August 6, 2006 edition of the Herald, Goa

[Goanet] Goa rises: Don't sell our motherland (IBN live)

2006-08-08 Thread Tes Sil
Hi

Found the video clipping Goa rises: Don't sell our motherland (IBN live)
very interesting,
I am from Morjim myself and have a home very close to where the
demonstration took place.

rgds
td
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Re: [Goanet] Goa... the simple life

2006-08-08 Thread Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
Dear Fred,
   Riza has a fine eye for detail, and I am glad you are encouraging her 
to express herself. May I suggest, however, that you also encourage her to sit 
at the computer on her own? That way she will learn some of  the computer 
skills that are so necessary today, and will not be tempted to rely on you as 
a crutch.
   Best regards,
   Victor

  
On 03/08/06, Frederick FN Noronha wrote:

> Riza, studying in the third standard at Lourdes Convent in Saligao,
> doesn't have much patience (yet) to read, leave alone write or type.
> But she does like to 'dictate' to me some of her blog entries.
>
>
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[Goanet] St. Xaviers Shuts Carnac Road Chapel.

2006-08-08 Thread eric pinto
 It was not a Parish,  but the School's chapel filled in for generations of 
Marine Line - Crawford folk, specially the 8 am  Choir Mass.  I have learnt 
that the Jesuit fathers have shut it's doors,  a response to falling 
attendance:  most Crawford Market catholics have now moved on.  It had  been 
magnificently renovated in the early 60's:  at the helm of 
inspiration/design/architecture was Basque native, Rev. Molinet - he had 
taught us french.  It would never have happened, however, without the 
Barcelona duo,  Bro. Munoz and Bro. Hernandez,  master craftsmen who never 
appeared to put their chisells down.  
  I really meant to remember the Choir,  doing this today.  My eyes well 
at the memory of the guys swinging out  ' we pray to God and for his mercy, ---
-  to thee we bring our joys and sorrow ',  Ignatius Day's  'Noble 
Night',  and always, the National Jana Gana Mana !   Thank you so much, the 
late  Conductors  Paul Frank, Victor Coelho,  solists Trevor Taylor/Stanley 
Pinto,  not to omit the Director,  the Rev. Bonet.eric.
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Re: [Goanet] Goanet News Bytes * August 5, 2006 * Goa promises to life the four-week max stay limit forcharter tourists (Goan and foreign) entering Goa

2006-08-08 Thread Tes Sil
Hi

Thanks for Goanet news.  Hv been reading it with interest for a long time
now.
Keep up the good work.
I am lookiin for some info & was hopiing you could help.
We are looking for an apartment in Goa & was wondering
if you would have some real agents contacts in Goa.

If you do, please mail them to me.  Much appreciated.

thanks & rgds
td

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[Goanet] Kuwait Goans Association (KGA) are all set for Konkani tiatr "GHOR BHANDLEM GHORABO MODDLO"

2006-08-08 Thread Goa's Pride www.goa-world.com
Kuwait Goans Association (KGA) are all set for Konkani tiatr "GHOR BHANDLEM 
GHORABO MODDLO"


KONKANI TIATR "GHOR BHANDLEM GHORABO MODDLO"

Kuwait Goans Association (KGA) are all set to present the Konkani tiatr "GHOR 
BHANDLEM GHORABO MODDLO" featuring Konkani stage artistes: Ophelia,&nb 
sp;Babli, Antonette de Calangute, Comedian John D'Silva, Osvi Viegas, William 
de Curtorim, Comedian Philip, Querobina, Sanny de Quepem, Marcus Vaz, Clara, 
Bab Agnel, Magaret D'Cruz, Manuel de Santa Cruz, Simon Gonsalves, Alex de 
Consua, 
Xavier Furtado, Zoro, Sylvester Vaz, Pal Soares and Laurente Pereira together 
with writer-director Rosary Ferns.
 
The Konkani tiatr will be held on Friday, 11th August 2006 at the Hawalli 
Auditorium at 3:30 p.m. sharp.  For gate passes, pls contact Raja Stores 
(Kuwait City) 2412970, 9758819, 9745291, 7874570 & 6224021 M&M Confectionery 
(Salmiya) 5619946, or KGA committee members.  


The organizers have expressed their wish to commence the tiatr at the 
specified time, and requests all to be seated in the auditorium in time. The 
show is sponsored by Siemens, Air India, Canon, Caeser's Travels, and Bader Al-
Mulla Rental & Leasing Co.
A colourful souvenir will be released to mark the occasion by Kuwait Goans 
Association (KGA).
 
(Info source: SDC)


Forwarded by www.goa-world.com 

THE FIRST & ONLY KONKANI MUSIC STATION ON THE NET, now in its sixth year.
www.goa-world.com/goa/music/ 
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[Goanet] Katty de Navelim's second Konkani Album

2006-08-08 Thread Francis Xavier
Katty De Navelim's New Konkani Album

Renowned Producer and Famed Singer Katty de Navelim after a stupendous
success of his maiden Konkani Album titled 'DENNEM" all over Europe, Middle
East and India, now storms back to with his second album titled "UGDASS
TUMCHO". This album contains 12 powerful hits including Solos, Duo's and
Trio. Famous singers from Goa and Kuwait lending their voices to this power
packed album are Xavier Gomes, Osvi Viegas, Jujo Baretto, Roma, Simon
Gonsalves, Cajetan de Sanvordem and Katty de Navelim.

All songs are composed by Katty de Navelim and the musical score by the
legendary Maestro Josinho. So, Folks await with bated breath for the release
of this most anticipated Konkani musical album of the year. The countdown
now begins.
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[Goanet] 12 more days to World Goa Day 2006 and TGF's 6 birthday

2006-08-08 Thread Jose Colaco
BTW: Just finished reading Ben Antao's novel PENANCE.  In short, it was truly 
un-put-down-able!

Dear Renebab,

It is 12 more days to World Goa Day 2006.  Trust that all is going well with 
the plans.

>From our (TGF's) point of view, we'd like to commend you and all WGD Alliance 
Associates for the tremendous commitment towards the WGD cause.

I will take this liberty to suggest that WGD stay clear of Language, Religion 
and alter-Agenda politics. As we discussed (1999), we are Goans, we are who we 
are, and we need to come together to help each other out.

This weekend, The Abbe Faria webpage will come back on as FrontPage at The 
Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net.

It is my understanding that we Goans would this year honour Abbe Faria the
father of Hypnotism. Please let us know how we can assist.

ps: here is our editorial for World Goa Day of last year
Happy Birthday TGF and Happy World Goa Day  2005
http://www.colaco.net/1/WGD2005.htm

sincerely

jose colaco
Goans International
The Goan Forum
please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net

Recommended Goa related sites
1. http://www.goa-world.com
2. http://www.SuperGoa.com

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Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples

2006-08-08 Thread Mario Goveia
--- velho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Mario,
> 
> As the main proponent of the theory that "God
> fearing people cannot be evil". Can you please 
> explain the following paradoxes.
>
Mario responds:
>
Sadly for your case, you start off with a false
premise.  When exactly did I say what you say I said? 
Actually I said just the opposite, that atheists and
religious types can be evil from time to time. 
>
I further said that people who openly reject across
the board the moral code they ostensibly subscribe to,
like Stalin, Hitler, the Mafioso, Osama and his
Islamo-fascists, etc. cannot be logically or honestly
described as "God-fearing".
>
Velho writes:
> 
> 1. Why is the "Bible Belt" in the USA known for
> religious god fearing people as well as for the 
> most racist ones ??
>
Mario responds:
>
Known by whom?  I don't know this as a generality. 
The most racist Americans are the ones who patronize
and want minorities to be dependent on the government.
 That's the worst thing one can do to a person in a
free market economy.
>
Velho writes:
>
> 2. Why are Brahmins (the most god fearing and
> religious of castes) synonymous with oppression of 
> lower castes ??
>
Mario responds:
>
Again the facile assumption about who is
"God-fearing".  I am not familiar with the Hindu
pantheon, and which god exactly are the Brahmins
supposed to fear, and what exactly are they fearful
of?  I suggest you ask one of them.  
>
Velho writes:
>
> 3. Why are Fidayeen extensively brainwashed with
> rock solid codes(quotes) from the Koran before they 
> blow themselves up ??
> 
Mario observes:
>
Sunith,
You seem to have a lot of preconceived notions and
straw men.  Several Islamic Imams I have talked to
confirm, referencing the Qu'ran, that what these guys
are being taught and brainwashed violates every one of
the Islamic moral codes.  Suicide is specifically
prohibited in the Qu'ran.
>

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[Goanet] Goa news for August 9, 2006

2006-08-08 Thread Goanet News Service
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org

Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.


*** Parsvnath wins Goa land bid (NDTV Profit)

Parsvnath Developers Limited has been awarded prime land in
Panjim, Goa by the state government owned Economic Development
Corporate Ltd. Parsvnath bid Rs 45,100 per sq mt for the entire
12,290 sq mt piece of land. The total amount to be paid is
estimated to be over Rs 55.4 crore.

http://www.ndtvprofit.com/homepage/storybusinessnew.asp?template=&whichstory=n&id=32625


*** Goa opposes excise exemption for hilly States (The Hindu)

Pharma units' investment plans take a hit

http://www.thehindu.com/2006/08/09/stories/2006080906891500.htm


*** Goa recommends Austrian's `mercy petition' to Governor (New
Kerala)

Panaji, Aug 8: Goa cabinet today recommended to the Governor
the `mercy petition' of an Austrian national, undergoing 12
years' sentence at Central Jail, Aguada for possessing drugs.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=4020


*** Incessant rains to continue in Goa for next 24 hrs: Met
Dept (New Kerala)

Panaji, Aug 8: As incessant rains continued to lash coastal
Goa, Indian Meteorogical Observatory today predicted heavy
rains in the state for the next 24 hours.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=3867


*** Goa's Fisheries Minister has instructed to execute joint
action (New Kerala)

Panaji, Aug 6: Goa's Fisheries Minister Joaquim Alemao has
instructed the senior officers to execute joint action against
the motorised canoes (boats) fishing with the banned perse
seine nets in the sea.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=3185


*** Mahindra United mulling shifting base to Goa (New Kerala)

Mumbai, Aug 7: Last year's Federation Cup and National Football
League winners Mahindra United have issued a veiled threat to
the Western India Football Association that unless the latter
spruces up the Cooperage ground to international standards the
club would shift base to Goa.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=3651


*** Goa police ask Parish to employ volunteers (New Kerala)

Panaji, Aug 7: Following a series of burglaries in churches and
chapels in Goa, police have asked the Parish to maintain their
own security by employing volunteers to protect church
properties.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=3272


*** Incessant rains in Goa; alert sounded (New Kerala)

Panaji, Aug 8: Incessant rains lashed Goa for the second
consecutive day today, raising the water levels in Anjunem dam
in north Goa, prompting the state government to sound an alert
for those residing in low-lying areas around the dam.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=4031


*** Incessant rains in Goa, flood alert sounded (The Times of
India)

Incessant rains lashed Goa for the second consecutive day,
raising the water levels in Anjunem dam in north Goa.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1873945.cms


*** Incessant rains in Goa; alert sounded (Outlook India)

Incessant rains lashed Goa for the second consecutive day
today, raising the water levels in Anjunem dam in north Goa,
prompting the state government to sound an alert for those
residing in low-lying areas around the dam.

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=405118


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http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
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[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Agostachi 9vi, 2006!

2006-08-08 Thread domnic fernandes
Koslo faido ami vhodda dhobajean goddnnieo/festam somorpun zorui amkam 
tancho orth nam?


(What’s the use of celebrating events/feasts pompously if we don’t know 
their meaning?)


Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

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Re: [Goanet] Exposure of ...... God fearing & evil/response Gilbert

2006-08-08 Thread Elisabeth Carvalho
No Gilbert,

You said my thoughts on the subject were not
plausible, ergo this means you have alternative ideas
on the subject. I'd like to hear them, so that I can
learn from them.

Don't scurry off now. 

I'm also waiting for that list of agnostics/atheists
who preach one thing and practice another.

Elisabeth
-

--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mogal Elisabeth,
> 
> Perhaps you do not read all my posts. 
> I don’t blame you!  But you do break my heart in
> that regard. :=)) 
> In one recent post, I confessed, "I was not a
> scholar on religion." 
> And the religion questions should be answered by
> theologians and not by supurlem Goenkars like me.
> 
> Now don’t you think, you would like to hear that
> answer more often on Goanet?
> Kind Regards, GL
> 
> -- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:  
>  
> Rather than me belabouring my point, I'd be curious
> to know what your views on "evil" are.
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Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women (2)

2006-08-08 Thread Radhakrishnan Nair
<
Mario responded:
>
a) Radha, by pretending to know the difference between
a neo-con and a conservative you are embarrassing
yourself once again.  You don't know the difference
based on your comment above.>>

My response: Perfectly understandable, Mario! With the mess they've
created all over, no self-respecting neocon now wants to be known as
one. They're all plain old conservatives now!

Cheers,
RKN
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[Goanet] PIOs appointment as per RTI Act soon: Goa Chief Secy

2006-08-08 Thread Goacan
-
Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your
family members, relatives, neighbours and friends.
Help others be BETTER INFORMED,
The time is come for the people of Goa 
to ORGANISE not AGONISE !!
--

PIOs appointment as per RTI Act soon: Chief Secy 

The state government will soon appoint public information officers 
(PIO's) in various government departments as per the requirements 
of the Right to Information Act and make known their names and 
other details by way of advertisements in local newspapers.

This announcement came from the Chief Secretary, Mr J P Singh 
who was replying to a related question during an interaction on RTI 
organised by the Goa Branch of the Indian Institute of Public 
Administration in the city, this evening.

Mr Singh said that the government "would look at the Maharashtra 
model and adopt it suitably". He agreed that it was important to 
identify the PIO's and make the details available to the common man.

When it was brought to his notice that a copy of the Goa RTI was 
being sold at Rs 44 a copy as against Rs 2 per copy of the 
Maharashtra RTI Act, the Chief Secretary who confirmed of having 
been unaware of the cost promised that the state RTI Act would be 
soon made available within the Rs 5 price range. 

"We will also bring out the Act in Konkani and Marathi along with 
English so that it benefits the people at large," Mr Singh announced.
"The government," Mr Singh remarked, "would print leaflets in 
various languages, as a step to make the people aware." 

With reference to the proposal for notings to be withheld, 
the Chief Secretary observed that matters pertaining to development, 
economic issues and social matters would have to be made known 
to the people under all circumstances.

In a lighter vein, the Chief Secretary said that transparency was quite 
large in Goa. "When a file leaves my office it is known to all in a 
matter of five minutes. Photocopies of the letters with my notings too 
are taken," Mr Singh quipped further adding, "I also get calls minutes 
before a file reaches my table. Everything is being tracked, it is a good 
thing I guess."

The commissioner, Public Grievances Commission, government of India, 
and former state chief secretary, Mr Baleshwar Rai delivered a talk 
on 'Right to Information and Related Matters' on the occasion. He 
highlighted the various points that make the RTI Act a powerful tool
in seeking information concerning the public.

The chief information commissioner, Goa, Mr Venkataratnam in his 
bid to highlight problems faced in implementing RTI in the state 
informed that the commission was yet to receive any funds, while 
at the same time no STD phone connection was provided to him to 
discharge his duties either at home or office. Mr Venkataratnam 
maintained that these were essential requirements for the due 
discharge of the commission's duties.

Responding to this, the Chief Secretary mentioned that things 
were now moving for sure and what Mr Venkataratnam was talking 
of were procedural delays. Mr Singh also agreed to a suggestion 
from an audience member that PIO's should be appointed by 
designation and not by name.

GOACAN member, Mr Roland Martins, speaking on the occasion 
told the gathering that one had to access the Internet to have details 
of the RTI Act. "Look at Maharashtra, where things are simpler," 
he said. Referring to the reduction in the cost of obtaining information 
under RTI (from the earlier fee of Rs 100 to Rs 10), Mr Martins 
charged that a Sanguem resident was recently made to cough up 
Rs 100 by applying the old Act.

The Navhind Times 08/8/06 page 1
-
 
GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK
--- 
promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa
---
GOACAN Post Box  187 Margao,  Goa 403 601 
GOACAN Post Box  78   Mapusa, Goa 403 507
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Re: [Goanet] London Goenkars, please note!!

2006-08-08 Thread Mario Goveia
--- velho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> To give you an example of this, a friend of mine
> bought a flat in Mumbai for about Rs. 1.5 crores, 
> he rents it out for about Rs. 1.5 lakh a month. For 
> a penthouse close to your residence in Miramar that
> costs almost Rs. 1.5 crores, you will not find 
> anyone to rent it even for Rs. 30,000.
>
Mario asks:
>
Nothing along Miramar is selling for Rs 1.5 crore so
your numbers are bogus.  Besides most of the people
along Miramar are not buying to rent.  They are
looking at waterfront real estate prices in Goa
relative to comparable properties around the world.
>
Velho writes:
>
>  Hence you will be proved an IDIOT in any one of the
> following ways:
> 1. When the BUBBLE bursts.
> 2. When Rane and Co. take over your properties.
> 3. Now at the height of the real estate boom it is
> very difficult to sell 
> your property because, all the registrations of sale
> deeds(of foreign 
> nationals) have been put   on hold.
> 4. When Mopa comes up and the rest of the Konkan
> coast starts 
> developing(This is a smart investment right now!)
> 
> Mario, as a man who is interested in economics you
> should know that residential real estate is a good 
> investment when local DEMAND drives the prices up
> (since that type of demand always shows
> predictable behavior). 
> 
Mario responds:
>
"When", "when", "If", "when". 
>
Your analysis is peppered with "when's" and "IF's"
that are just as likely to be false as true.
>
All you have regurgitated is rank speculation with no
regard to the fundamentals of overall supply and
demand.  In the meantime the prices continue to rise.
>
Local demand means nothing in the growing global
economy, where I can look at alternate uses of my
funds anywhere in the world.
>
Your worm's eye view doesn't seem to grasp that.
>

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Re: [Goanet] QUOTE FOR TODAY

2006-08-08 Thread Mario Goveia
--- borg costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A life spent making mistakes is not only more 
> honorable, but more useful than a life spent 
> doing nothing.
> 
> ---George Bernard Shaw
> 
Mario observes:
>
Borg,
With all due respect, the quote for today makes no
sense to me.  How can a life spent making mistakes be
"more honorable" and "more useful" than one spent
doing nothing?  However, I know people who THINK they
are being HONORABLE while making a mess wherever they
go.  We call them political liberals:-))
>
Surely, one must have at least ONE more success than
the number of one's failures to even mathematically
equate to a life spent doing NOTHING!  
>
I have one for your consideration that an old Boss
used on me.  It seems far more encouraging than the
non sequitur by Bernard Shaw.  It went, "The only ones
that make no mistakes are those who do nothing."
>


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[Goanet] Goanet Reader: To Vengurla, via Karwar... with a 'xendri' in hand (Tino Nazare)

2006-08-08 Thread Goanet Reader
TO VENGURLA, VIA KARWAR... WITH A 'XENDRI' IN HAND

What it meant to be a schoolboy at transition-time in Goa, a
generation ago

By Constantino 'Tino' de Nazare
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[This is one of the
contributions from an alumni of
St Britto's, the prominent
Mapusa-based school that
completed 60 years this month,
which is slated to appear in a
book of old boys' memories and
tributes. Tino Nazare is a
long-time Goanetter.]

I first did segundo grau (basic education in Portuguese) and
then joined the school, which at that time was in the Duler
locality of Mapusa. Two years later, we moved to the new
premises, the site where the school is still located atop the
Altinho locality of that North Goa town.

  I was nine years old when I first joined the old
  school, near the Duler ground. Ours was the last
  batch during the Portuguese regime which could not
  answer our exams in Goa, so we had to go to 'Uniao
  Indiana' (India). Some of my friends went to
  Mumbai, others went to Pune and I opted for
  Vengurla. That was the closest and most economical.

I still remember buying Indian rupees with the Neugi in the
Mapusa Market. I got Rs. 170 for the Portuguese 100 ruppee
worth of "escudos".

Our journey was long. Since there was no border crossing in
North Goa, we travelled on a circuitous route that went south
to go to Vengurla which lies to the north of Goa, via Karwar,
armed with the 'Documento da Viagem' (travel document).

This journey involved crossing the Sabarmati river, thence to
Hubli and Belgaum in those old 'ST' (state transport) buses.
Once in Belgaum, a commercial town to the east of Goa, we
went to Vengurla.

The no man's land crossing was something hard to forget.
There were literally no men, ladies or gentlemen except our
'pursao'. That is, our procession of BOBs (Britto old-boys),
who of course were at that time still just Britto boys.

Each of us carried our own 'xendri', an imported straw mat
that was the first thing I sold later on, over the border
when I returned.

We were all accommodated in a moderate-sized hall in Vengurla
where we put down our 'xindris' (straw mats). Our host was a
tile-merchant known as Bento who gave us lovely meals: fish
and hot curry with a lot of good 'achars' (pickles, Indian
style) unknown in the Goa of those days.

Of course, we enjoyed our freedom of being independent (from
the school interiors, that is). There were lot of firsts in
my life then. Like, I watched my first Indian film
'Pardeshi'. We stayed there for about three weeks, and then
returned the same circuitous way we arrived.

  Some of my class mates were Anthony da Silva from
  Moira, nicknamed "Xillo Padtio" (I believe he is a
  priest now), Baptist Dias from Moira nicknamed The
  Philosopher, Xavier from Salvador do Mundo
  nicknamed "Deuchar" or Devil (no offense, Xavier). 
  we had Valeriano Azavedo and his brother “bangdo”,
  or Mackeral, Ramiro Cabral from Porvorim (now he is
  in Mumbai).

Almost everyone had a nickname at Britto's. Others included
the late Mariano, the late Jeremi (Benaum), Stephen from
British Africa (known to the boys as 'Elvis Presley'), and
Mervin (also from Africa) and his brother Jimmy. There was
Joseph (Capri).

Bernard D'Souza from Anjuna was called "Gandhi" by us. I
contacted him in 1984 in Germany from Lisbon, where I
happened to meet another ex-Brittos alumni, Antonio da Costa,
when my ship had docked in Lisnave, Lisbon.

There were others like Rodney de Souza from Assagao, and John
Nazareth (also from Assagao). Orlando Fausto Fernandes,
Dominick and Ramchandra Godekar (Colvale). The latter has a
bar in the Mapusa market. Remo Pinto's is someone I often see
at Mapusa.

Then there were the D'Souza brothers Anthony and Baptist (I
see Baptist sometimes, he used to be in Kuwait and was there
during the Sadam Hussein's invasion). Alex Lobo died in an
accident, and is the brother of Floriano Lobo.

Alex and me met often in Mumbai where we studied in St.
Xavier's Technical Institute. We took up the same profession
as commercial ships' Radio Officers. And we also had Mario
Carvalho (now in Assagao), who had directly joined the SSC
class after his Liceu.

  Our principal was Fr. Edward D'Souza, and his
  brother Fr. Vincent D'Souza also taught us. Others
  were Fr. Condilac, and Fr. Vaz. Our best times were
  those retreats, in Baga, where we used to steal
  tender coconuts, and enjoy climbing the coconut
  trees.

My best memories were of the teachers, like the late Teacher
Nina Soares, who taught me in the first standard, and was
very tender with me. She was a kind and gentle soul. As I
could not speak English, she would help me to translate from
Portuguese until I could speak fluently once I passed the
first standard. Alas, she is no more.

Then, there was Guruji, our Hindi teacher, whom I used to
appreci

Re: [Goanet] Can a Christian be a Communist?

2006-08-08 Thread Aristo
Hi Mario,

Since you have repeated a lot of your logic once again by conveniently
avoiding to give an answer to the question "Karl Marx, 19-century
Communist Manifesto aside, in todays world of Cafeteria & plural
identities, what practically prevents a Christian from being a
Communist in political/economic Ideology?", I will discuss this no
further.

However, I would like to tell you that you have once again
misunderstood what I have written, and this being the 3rd instance
with me, I will assume that you don't take the time to properly read
since you spend most of it typing away your voluminous views.

This is what I had written:
"It do not think it is written anywhere in the Communist Manifesto
(yea, I had to actually download it and go through it since you love
to refer to it ever so often) that Communism has to be brutal and
repressive. As per the philosophy, Communism IS egalitarian in nature.
 However, I do not subscribe to the means of obtaining that
egalitarianism, ie,
the Robin hood method. To me, altruism (which is against human nature)
should be voluntary. I'd rather prefer the trickle down effect, and
circulation of money to achieve egalitarianism. Plus, ever so often,
gems like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates (forget the means by which he
got rich) donate sums greater than Germany's annual defense budget and
India's annual Health budget put together, and that couldn't happen
under communism."

Yes the first sentence was in jest to your verbatim bible-like belief
in the Communist Manifesto, if you didn't get it. Yet, you don't
accept that Communism is theoretically egalitarian in nature, when it
is clearly stated in the manifesto.

Next, the "However" means "By contrast; on the other hand", which
means that whatever followed the word "however", was in contrary to
Communism. Of course I was referring to Capitalism.

Also, would you be kind enough to humour me and answer the following
questions with your Goveian Logic?
1)  What is the fundamental difference in the Political & Economic
ideology between Communism & Socialism?
2) Can an Athiest be a Capitalist?
3) Can a Christian be a fascist?

Mario, one thing that experience has taught me is that when Quantity
is the focus, there is a definite compromise on Quality. Your writings
are an epitome of that lesson. That doesn't mean that you cannot
produce quality. Your answer to Sunith's question on what next for
India's economy was a gem that made it the first MG piece that I saved
for future reference. I hope you can give us more gems like that.

Cheers,
Aristo.
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Re: [Goanet] London Goenkars, please note!!

2006-08-08 Thread Jim Fernandes
Please read my email once again in its entirety, if you'd like to debate on 
this issue.

Jim F.
New York.

 -- Original message --
From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> --- velho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Jim Fernandes,
> > 
> > If considered in pure economic terms, your post is
> > right on the button. You really would have to be an 
> > idiot, if you were a foreign national(of non-Goan 
> > descent) buying property in Goa for purely
> > investment purposes in the long term.
> > 
> Mario asks:
> >
> I know several "foreign nationals of non-Goan descent"
> who purchased property in Goa a few years ago, and the
> property has more than quadrupled in value and the
> value continues to increase.
> >
> So, can Jim or Sunith please explain how these people
> are "idiots"???
> >
> And, while you are at it, can you please explain how
> property values, which are based on supply and demand,
> vary depending on whether the investor is a Goan or
> non-Goan?
> >
> 
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[Goanet] Conference in Goa on ICT and Development

2006-08-08 Thread Basilio G Monteiro
A  Conference   on

Information Communication Technologies and Development

organized by the Division of Mass Communication, Journalism, Television and 
Film of the College of Professional Studies, St. John's University, New York  

in collaboration with

the Diocesan Centre for Social Communications Media

of the Archdiocese of Goa and Daman, India

 

Venue: Mandovi Hotel, Panjim, Goa

Dates: January 4 to 6, 2007.
The conference will begin on 4th evening at 5 PM. followed by dinner,  and end 
on 6th evening followed by dinner. 

Objectives: 

  a.. to generate a robust public discourse about and understanding of 
development affecting peoples' lives in India 

  a.. to examine how communication technologies and strategies are 
being used to promote specific development projects 

  a.. to assess the kind of development initiatives taking place and 
ascertain if they promote sustainable development 

  a.. to determine what role individuals play in shaping the type and 
process of development in a given community 

  a.. to assess the forms of communication technologies accessible to 
various communities and what solutions may be appropriate 
 
 

 

 

The overriding Issue: 

  a.. What is development in the Indian context? 
"My second vision for India is DEVELOPMENT.  For fifty years we have been a 
developing nation.  It is time we see ourselves as a developed nation.  We are 
among the top 5 nations of the world in terms of GDP.  We have 10 percent 
growth rate in most areas.  Our poverty levels are falling.  Our achievements 
are being globally recognized today.  Yet we lack the self-confidence to see 
ourselves as a developed nation, self-reliant and self-assured." Dr. A.P.J. 
Kalam, President of India.  

 

Given the vastness and the complexity of Indian society, its unique 
multifaceted pluralism, and its regionalism steeped deep in socio-religious 
traditions, it is important that we first strive to understand what may 
constitute development in the context of India. 
 
 
 Proposed specific issues 

  a.. Communication and Promotion of Human Rights 
  b.. Communication, Development and Environment 
  c.. Communication, Development and Sustainable Development 
  d.. Communication, Development and Women's Issues 
  e.. Communication, Development and Children 
  f.. Communication, Development and Health 

 

 

 


Speakers: 



Ms. Therese Gastaut (based in Geneva)- formerly with the UN, Director of WSIS 
Dr. Jack Phelan, Professor, Fordham University, NY (USA) 
Dr. Kevin Rioux, Professor, St. John's University, NY (USA)
Dr. Basilio Monteiro, Professor, St. John's University, NY (USA)  
Mr. Joseph C. Donnelley, Representative of Caritas Internationalis, Rome, at 
the UN 
Ms. Corinne Woods, UNICEF Regional Communication Officer (India) 
Dr. Ashok Jhunjhunwalla, IIT- Madras 

Dr. Freddie D'Souza, Director, Social Development, Catholic Bishops Conference 
of India
Dr. K. Subramanian, Deputy Director General at National Informatics Center, 
Ministry of Communications & Information Technology, New Delhi,  
Dr. Haridas Varikottil, Caritas-India, New Delhi 
Mr. Frederick Noronha, Bytesforall.org, Goa,  
Ms. Akhila Sivadas, Centre for Advocacy and Research, New Delhi 
Dr. Peter R. D'Souza, Co-Director, Lokniti - Institute for Comparative 
Democracy, Programme of Centre for the Study of Developing  Societies New Delhi 
Dr. Anibel Ferus-Comelo, Labor researcher and educator, Goa.

 

 

Limited number of seats.

 

Target-audience: students as well as researchers, educators, social workers, 
ICT people, NGOs, policy makers,

 

Registration Fee: Rps 200/-  payable in cash at the Conference. 

 

 

Contact:

 

J. Loiola Pereira

or 

Raymond Antao

P.O Box 216

Panjim, Goa 403 001

India

 

Tel: (0832)2422653, 2223353, 2225291; Fax: 2224139

E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 

 

Accommodation: please check the following website

 

http://www.goahotelsguide.com/hotels-in-panaji.html 

 

The organizers are unable to make hotel accommodations for the participants. 

All hotels in Panaji/Panjim are within walking distance of Hotel Mandovi
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Re: [Goanet] About stories on Invasion of Kuwait

2006-08-08 Thread Santana Afonso
Dear Rosary Fernando, are you a Sri Lankan or Goan? It seems to me your ID 
is faked. Tell me; are you the enemy of Mr. Veronica and Kuwait like Saddam 
Hussien of Iraq?  Do you were here during the time of Invasion 1990 by the 
Iraqi’s and brutal murderer Saddam Hussien? No…. I don’t think so. Then what 
harm is there if Mr. Veronica said in his write-up about the rapes, in 
Kuwait, Goa, Bangladesh, etc.


I felt embarrassed especially when Mr. Cornell Da’cost of UK goan origin 
says there is no clue of rapes in Kuwait by the Iraqi soldiers. If you want 
the clues, then please go to the UN and verify yourself, there you will find 
lots of clues………and answers about the rapes during the 1990 Invasion of 
Kuwait till the liberation.


My question is; do we all earn our daily bread working in Kuwait? Instead of 
showing your solidarity towards Kuwait, are we making fun of Kuwait by 
saying nasty things?


I still remember, in my village, people used to make fun of Kuwaitkars that 
they will never go back to Kuwait and Kuwait will never be liberated. Even 
my own relatives had said it. Those words are still ringing in my ears 
till-to-day when 2nd August comes. On that day first I thank God, Kuwait and 
the Kuwaiti’s, for earning my daily bread today because of Kuwait and the 
late Amir, Baba Jaber. I feel pity for those who are unlucky, all are not 
born in the silver plate, but very few are……..


There are lots of stories which are not brought to light. What Mr. Veronica 
wrote is only 1% story of the invasion of Kuwait. He had shown his 
sentiments towards the Invasion of Kuwait 1990.


Please God forbid such fools exist in Kuwait..with fake 
identity like Rosary Fernando and Nestle Christle Ignatius


Santana Afonso




From: Rosary Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: About stories on Invasion of Kuwait
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 23:15:25 -0700 (PDT)

This letter appeared in the Arab Times of August 2, 2006:

  Sir,
  This is in reference to a letter by Mr. Veronica on Aug 1. His 
fabricated, thriller, rape story of Aug 2, 1990, turned out to be a flop 
because,

  1) there are people still living here who witnessed the 1990 invasion.
  2) I ti snew for us, since only Veronica knows, that the Iraqi soldiers 
started rapign expatriate women on the early morning of Aug 2.  He also 
claims "expatriate women were the target of Iraqi soldiers during the first 
4 days of the invasion in Kuwait City and the Filipinas went underground 
within 48 hours!"  Veronica must release the truth to the public on who 
provided the residential addresses and nationalities of expatriate women to 
Iraqi soldiers in the early morning.
  3) It is very big lie that the Catholic church was surrounded by Iraqi 
tanks on the early morning of Aug 2.  It is meaningless and never happened 
during the whole invasion period.
  4) Since his house is nearby, instead of going to his house and taking 
care of his family, why did he go to another family and pave the way for an 
Iraqi soldier to follow him and enter the house?
  5) Veronica told the "British passport holder priest" to rescue the 
catechist girl from an Iraqi solder by showing his cassock!!!  or calling 
and talking to the pronuncio in Iraq etc etc. Thank God! Veronica 
didn't tell the priest to call Saddam and ask him to pull back his troops 
from Kuwati!!!
  6) Veronica claims that on the first day there was a big explosion in 
the city and the telephones went off.  (The truth is that the telephones 
were working here until the land war started on Feb 24, 1991.)
  Veronica was then sleeping under the cocunut tree in Goa!   If anyone 
says Veronica collected money from Goans in the name of Kuwait by showing 
Kuwaiti flag, nobody will believe it.
  7) Veronica claims he also saw, at a tender age, the Indian army 
"raping, molesting and harassing Goan females" in 1961!

  I ask Veronica not to waste the columns of Arab Times with such stories.

  Christle Ignatius
  Jeleeb Al-Shyoukh

  (ARAB TIMES, WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 2, 2006 - PAGE 18)

  From: lenny dsouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Subject: Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.
  To: goanet@goanet.org
  Hello All,

  Actually I just wanted to read this article and close it but then i 
thought

  of sharing with you a few things.

  Go back into history you will find that there are not many wars that are
  fought where brutality of invaders against women has not been there, if 
it has
  happen in the 1961 or 1971 or 1990 it should not be a big suprise to any 
one.
  Yes if these things have not happened in the 1990 war then its just 
against

  nature.

  First of all, i think that a lot of people who are read this article are
  living in the gulf and are very well aware of the nature here. If you 
think
  that you as a female are unsafe in this country then its better you 
leave the

  country now, better live else where. One should not be targetting arabs.

  Cornel,

[Goanet] IMPACT on TOURISM: Anjuna deserted as Israelis leave for war

2006-08-08 Thread Goacan
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Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC)
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Anjuna deserted as Israelis leave for war 
-
by Sukumar Shastri 

Though the war between Israel and Lebanon is being fought 
in the Middle-East, the fall-out is showing along the Anjuna-
Vagator-Arambol beach belt and down south in Palolem.

The streets of Anjuna and Vagator in particular are now wearing 
a deserted look and sources attribute it to the Israeli army's 
decision to recall many of the Israeli youth, who had come to Goa. 

Anjuna PI, Rajesh Kumar says, "everything in Anjuna now seems 
dead. At the moment there are not many Israelis, only a few of them 
are seen on the streets. Most of them have left".

While police sources estimate that about 25-30,000 Israelis visit 
Goa every year, the Israeli Consulate in Mumbai recorded over 
60,000 Israelis visiting India some years ago. It's believed that at 
least 40,000 of these Israelis visited Goa that year, skipping their 
country and army service. 

Incidentally, Israeli intelligence kept a watch on activities of those 
frequently traveling to Goa and gathered information that indications 
were that the State could be on the terrorist hit list. This information 
was passed on to the central intelligence and that's how security 
was tightened along the coast last year. 

"Yes", says Anjuna Sarpanch, Savio Almeida, "It's too early to 
predict what the loss will be but there is no doubt that the effect 
of the war will be seen in the season." 

Incidentally in May, the Israeli government had sent rabbis 
(Jewish preachers) to India to get Israelis out of drugs, 
drug peddling.

Israel was aware not only of army personnel who skipped duty but 
also their involvement in consuming and pushing drugs in India and
more visibly in Goa. 

The mission took shape after the Israeli government claimed it was 
concerned of increasing drug use by its youth who find solace in 
places like Goa, Himachal Pradesh, Uttaranchal and Rajasthan, 
due to easy access to drugs. 

According to reports, these rabbis were assigned to bring Israelis 
who have gone 'astray' back into mainstream. It's also learnt that 
they opened Chabad houses (kind of religious centers) in hired 
rooms for group discussions, religious counseling and one-to-one 
discourses.

However, when contacted, DIG Ujjwal Mishra said, "may be, 
we have heard of this but no one has approached us", on the issue.  

HERALD 08/8/06 page 1

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Re: [Goanet] Exposure of ....... re Godfearing & evil/response to Mario

2006-08-08 Thread Elisabeth Carvalho
Dear Mario,

Firstly, is there a difference between "REAL" evil and
"FAKE" evil?

Secondly, are you now saying that your position on
homosexuality, is different from that of the Catholic
Church, who firmly condemns the act i.e labels it as
"evil". If that is the case, what you are saying is
that the Church's rock-solid code of conduct does not
apply to you. 

Ergo, it is not just Atheists and Agnostics, whose
code of conduct cannot be substantiated or validated
due to lack of formal codification (which has been
your persistent mantra against atheists, set to iambic
pentameter), but your very own is in question too.

Elisabeth
-

--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Elisabeth writes:
> >
> At one time homosexuality was considered "evil".
>Then psychologists labeled homosexuality as a
> sexual aberration. Much money and time was spent in
> "cleansing" this evil from oneself. Fortunately,
> we know more about homosexuality to be accepting of
> it without labeling it.
> > 
> Mario responds:
> >
> Based on my belief that REAL evil is when you
> deliberately set out to harm others, not yourself, I
> don't know what homosexuality has to do with "evil".
> 
> At worst there are people who believe it goes
> against nature.  I don't think anyone believes that
the people themselves are "evil", unless they project
their private behavior on others in some way.
> >


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[Goanet] Patollio or Patoyo

2006-08-08 Thread JoeGoaUk
Patollio or Patoyo


August month is the month of ‘Patollio’ see pic.

Patollio or patoyo is one of the Goan delicacies. It gives nice flovour when it 
is
done on turmeric leaves ‘Halldi panam’ or ‘patolle panam’. These leave are 
readily
available by end of July and whole of August/Sept.  End of Julu and early 
August,
these leaves are even available for sale say Rs.5 a bundle of 12 leaves.

Patollio are  are made up of flour, coconut and jaggary. Either baked or 
steamed.

Besides, Christian in Goa, Hindus too make patollio on their ‘nagpanchami’ 
festival.

Patollio are also very popular in Kerala


Check patollio here..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/210225708/


Opening shortly, as from 15th August,  the hottest pastry shop in Town- Panaji.
All types of Goan Delicacies (not biscuits & cakes) will be available here and 
will
cater to not only Goans in Goa, but all over India and Gulf and UK. Other 
countries 
to be added soon.
Free home delivery, guaranteed delivery within 3 days to UK and  4 days to 
Gulf, Goa
1 day and India 2 days.

Special offer:
Buy any 3 products (of atleast 1kg of each) and get 4th product absolutely free
(1kg)
Konkani VCD lovers, you get one free VCD of your choice, in your first order 
(just
chose one amongst the 90 VCDs see link below for the the updated list)

You just name it, and we have it.  Be it Sanas, Bebinca, Neurio, Dodol, 
Patollio,
Bol, bolina etc etc.

Pl. note: Only baked patollio avaible to India/UK/Gulf, where as Goa has the 
choice
of backed or steamed.

Await further pictorial details soon.

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In the mean time, here is some homework..

Besides, pattolio or Patoyo,  what else does the August month reminds you ?


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Re: [Goanet] Overseas ......

2006-08-08 Thread Mario Goveia
In my opinion, in the short run, no difference.  In
the longer run, OCI.
>
As a naturalized US citizen, I have a ten year visa
for India, and will switch to the OCI when it expires.
 The only difference for me is that with the OCI I can
stay in India as long as I like per visit, but only 6
months at a time with my visa. 
>
Mario.
>
--- percy ferrao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear Fred/Goanetters !
>
>   PIO v/s OCI Card. What's most suitable ?
>
>   Regds
>   Percy Ferrao
>   Ealing Road.
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Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing & Bigotry

2006-08-08 Thread Radhakrishnan Nair
Fred, your discourse with Nasci reminds of that Sanskrit saying about
reciting poetry to a buffalo!

Cheers,
RKN


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[Goanet] 9th August LPG Consumers Safety Camp at Caxeta, Velim.

2006-08-08 Thread Goacan
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Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your
family members, relatives, neighbours and friends.
Help others be BETTER INFORMED,
The time is come for the people of Goa
to ORGANISE not AGONISE !!
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LPG Consumers Safety Camp at Velim on Wesdnesday 9th August.

The Velim Civic and Consumer Forum in collaboration with
M/s Multi Traders, Cuncolim is organising a Safety Camp 
for the benefit of the LPG consumers of Hindustan Petroleum
on Wednesday 9th August at 4.00pm at Caxeta Club House,
Caxeta, Velim

The LPG Safety Camp is organised by the Distributor of HP Gas
and the Consumer Forum to provide instructions to the
consumers on the safe use of LPG cylinders. Demonstration and
instructions on fitting the gas regulator, detection of gas leakages,
change of rubber tube, insurance cover for consumers, mechanical
check by authorized personnel of the Distributor and emergency
services by Hindustan Petroleum will be provided at the Safety Camp.

The resource person for the program will be Mr. S. Karve
Senior Sales Officer, HP Gas.

Consumers of Velim are invited to attend the LPG Safety
Camp and take benefit of the services provided.
 
GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK
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[Goanet] God Fearing and Abraham's attempted sacrifice of his son.

2006-08-08 Thread Jose Colaco
In response to this from me: < It is my belief that NO God fearing person 
will EVER commit violence against another ... except in self-defence.>

Lawrence Rodrigues asked: < What about the Abraham's attempt to kill his son 
Isaac? >


Dear Lawrence,

Good question - even if it is in too strict(narrow) an interpretation.

Even IF one accepts the story verbatim, I'd submit to you that Abraham did 
NOT commit violence against his son.

An attempt to commit violence, is NOT equivalent to having commited 
violence.

Three other quick points:

1. God Fearing is an archaic phrase. It does not mean, as in the literal 
interpretation, FEAR of God. It rather means the Love of God and Human 
beings.

2. I am worried about folks who attempt to commit violence because (as they 
put it) God commanded them to do it. Atleast in civilised societies, such 
folks are offered 'help' and 'accomodation' for life - as you may have noted 
in the Andrea Yates case.

3. Many primitive societies 'sacrifice' (= murder) their children. These 
horrendous sacrifices are known to occur especially during the building of 
bridges in certain parts of Western India. Wonder if this reported Abraham's 
attempted sacrifice was similar.What you think ?

good wishes

jc

please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net

Recommended Goa related sites
1. http://www.goa-world.com
2. http://www.SuperGoa.com


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[Goanet] Statistics on education in Goa... schoolwise, village/town wise

2006-08-08 Thread Frederick Noronha
Site related to education in Goa:
http://wapurl.co.uk/?W0TRX5D
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[Goanet] Goanet Reader: When transparency comes to town: officials gear up to face RTI

2006-08-08 Thread Goanet Reader
WHEN TRANSPARENCY COMES TO TOWN: OFFICIALS GEAR UP TO FACE RTI

>From Frederick Noronha / GoaRTI Report
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goarti

IIPA, the Indian Institute of Public Administration (Goa
chapter), held a lively session on the Right to Information
Act, which drew a full-hall at the Institute Menezes
Braganza, on August 7, 2006 Monday evening.

Unfortunately, officials seemed to make up the major part of
the audience. This could be taken as an indication that the
citizens are yet to realise the potency of this new law in
bringing in transparency to a society that faces the burden
of corruption and opacity in its functioning.

Guest speaker was Balleshwar Rai, IAS, Chairman Public
Grievances Commission New Delhi and the former Chief
Secretary of Goa. Goa's incumbent Chief Secretary and IIPA
Chairman Western Regional Branch JP Singh chaired lecture.

It was followed by a long -- sometimes heated -- but
interesting discussion.

Rai spoke of the efficacy of the Public Grievances
Commission, and also specifically outlined some provisions of
the RTI Act.

He called Goa, a state whose politicians had difficulties in
coping with his approach to administration, a "modern and
vibrant state". He noted it was among the first Indian states
to introduce a Right to Information law of its own.

He said the right to seek information from the government is
"part of the right to free speech, guaranteed under Article
19 of the Constitution". Some 21 states had so far adopted
the RTI central law, and the remaining few -- mostly in the
North East -- were expected to take it up shortly. Jammu &
Kashmir is excluded from the purview of this law.

"Right to information is a basic necessity to good
governance. It ensures transparency, accountability,
predictability and participation (in governance)," he said.

  Rai conceded: "Secrecy is the norm (among the
  bureaucracy). It's part of the mind-set. There's
  also the reality that the citizen has traditionally
  been reluctant to seek information." He pointed to
  the colonial legacy of the Indian bureaucracy,
  built in times when the citizen was a dangerous
  person from whom information should be hidden.

Said he: "Our machinery of governance was primarily borrowed
from the British. Or, in Goa's case, from the Portuguese. In
those times, the basic thrust of the administration was built
on secrecy. We are hopeful that with a powerful act, the
mind-set of officials can now be set right."

"Information is a starting point in a citizen's quest for
justice. It is not an end in itself. It is a means to fight
corruption," said Goa's former chief secretary. "Simply
passing the Act is not good enough. We need a mechanism to
address grievances. Delhi has done it. It has constituted a
Delhi Public Grievances Commission."

He said the public grievances commission could also take suo
moto cognisance of issues, for instance, based on something
reported in the newspapers. 

Rai called the RTI Act "a good first step".

Rai cautioned that officials in some states showed a "not
very encouraging tendency" and they were "subverting the
requirements of the law". 

  "But the change in the mind-set cannot happen in one
  day. We all need to join hands to create awareness
  among the people," he said. He pointed to
  provisions against officials maliciously
  withholding information, provisions for punishment,
  and the responsibility placed on officials to have
  their records "duly catalogued and indexed".

Some issues that came up in the discussion:

* There is an attempt to remove notings from this law, which
  could be a setback to its functioning, since notings are
  crucial in understanding the rationale for official
  decisions taken.

* Some officials in Goa were hesitant to accept electronic
  (i.e. email) submissions requesting information. This was
  problematic, and blocking citizens from getting easy access
  to information, given Goa's difficult and geographically
  scattered terrain.

* The payment of the Rs 10 fee was being used as a
  bureaucratic hurdle while implementing the act. This should
  not become a hurdle to citizens getting information in the
  true spirit of the act.

* Listings of PIOs (principal information officers) and APIOs
  (assistant principal information officers) were not
  adequately done, and the full contacts of the officials
  concerned (including phone, detailed address and email)
  needs to be listed.

* Listing PIOs and APIOs in their personal name made no
  sense, since officials are subject to transfer.

* In Goa, a copy of the Right to Information Act (44 pages)
  cost a significant Rs 44. The same law, bought from
  Maharashtra, costs just Rs 2 to Rs 5. "A piece of
  legislation is meaningless if it is not accessible to the
  people," said consumer rights' activist Roland Martins.

* There have been delays in implementing the law in

[Goanet] Gilbert's Wisdom

2006-08-08 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
Hi Radha,

Thanks for reading my post.  
And then  fighting your temptation not to respond.
That's really incredible.:-))

That's better than the guy who responds to my post saying "Nobody reads your 
post". 
That's whom I call a sucker.:=))

There is humor in small things in life.
Kind Regards, GL

--- Radhakrishnan Nair  
Actually, I didn't want to respond to it and make myself a sucker, but it's too 
tempting a revelation..:--)
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[Goanet] Albert writes

2006-08-08 Thread Albert Desouza
Nasci writes about Hindu belief. Hindus do not have any guiding force behind 
them. Whatever has been passed from generation to generation has been 
imbibed by them. But there are many things similar with the Catholics too. 
When a person is dead they light a lamp after the funeral at the place where 
he breathed his life. Food is prepared for the beggars and before the food 
is eaten leaf plates full of food are kept on the food path for the birds to 
eat that as a sign that the dead has gone to heaven. The list is endless. 
The statues in the church and homes is also descended to us from Hindu 
culture of the past as our ancestors were all hindus. Catholics are not 
supposed to adore or venerate statues as it is clearly mentioned in the 
bible. Read exodus, or romans and see for your self what we ought to do and 
are doing and the religion we follow is entirely different from what Jesus 
has taught us.

albert

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Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.

2006-08-08 Thread Paulo Colaco Dias
Hi Cornel, 

I have been following the subject with interest and the many requests about
evidence required about the cases of rape and other regrettable incidents
that followed the Indian invasion of Dec. 1961.

Firstly, I have to say that from what I read over the years, there is very
little written and published about it. Most of the incidents were not
reported for fear of reprisals for the families involved and for the
reporters.

Secondly, certainly you do not expect our 1960's Goan families to make
available such sensitive information publicly. Even today, victims of rape
are reluctant to go public for obvious reasons, imagine 45 years ago.
Publicity on such cases would ruin the reputation of many families and
eliminate any chances of marriage for the coming generations. Goa is such a
small place that everyone knows everyone else even today, imagine 45 years
ago!

Thirdly, it should not be difficult to find senior army officers amongst our
Goan relatives and friends. In their honesty they will probably tell you
that it is no secret that large numbers of uncontrollable Indian army men
have resorted to this sort of deplorable actions not only in Goa but in many
other states, including in Sri-Lanka by the Indian Peace Keeping Force
(1987-1990).

Abuses in many states are widely reported on the internet as follows:

Check:
http://www.tamilnation.org/indictment/indict050.htm 

http://www.siphro.org/view_content.php?title=Rape+Victims+Speaks+Out 

http://www.countercurrents.org/hr-sagar240804.htm 

http://sisyphe.org/article.php3?id_article=1214 

http://www.countercurrents.org/hr-tukdeo241004.htm  

http://www.cs.uccs.edu/~kalita/assam/human-rights/mamoni-koch-rape-july97.ht
ml 

http://www.sacw.net/Wmov/JointStatement20012005.html 

http://www.geocities.com/tamiltribune/98/1001.html 

According to Usha Ramanathan(see the above link), "When an enemy army
occupies conquered territory it is common to hear of soldiers raping local
women with no fear of punishment.". 

This is a sentiment very much echoed by Leo Lawrence(1963), a Goan from
Velim who became the Special Adviser to the Permanent Mission of Portugal to
the United Nations in New York.

Lawrence published a book in 1963: Nehru seizes Goa, Pageant Press. New
York. This is definitely the most complete and detailed account of the
events preceding and following the Indian invasion of Goa in Dec 1961.
It needs to be read with an open mind. The average brainwashed Goan will
simply refuse to believe in the facts described by this account. Things have
changed, no doubt, and the truth is too cruel to be accepted today. Many of
our senior Goans who can provide witness accounts say, "yes it is true, but
what good will it bring to remember those dark days?". I am just too used to
that. I am just responding to this thread because of the several requests
from you and from FN.

Interesting enough, Lawrence explains why the English edition of Heraldo was
suspended in April 1962 by the Indian Authorities Surely this can be
verified. Lawrence's account can definitely be verified in its majority but
it requires resources and academics interested in finding out the truth from
a neutral and historic perspective and not to score points or to please X, Y
or Z.

Nehru seizes Goa was a book forbidden from circulating inside India by
Nehru. I am not sure if it is still forbidden. I have acquired a copy
though. Very few Goans have it. And very few have read its 226 pages.

It exposes the event in detail. It provides dates, names, incidents,
institutions, etc. Moreover, it provides links to articles published in that
period. The names, incidents, dates, articles, etc should be straightforward
to verify for authenticity if anyone wants to do this. It does not provide
rape only but all other types of abuse and brutality that happened before
and after Dec. 1961.

The book is available from several American universities libraries and
central libraries.

Would you like me to provide you with a link for it? It might be a bit too
long to post as email but I am willing to do it if I receive such requests.

Best regards
Paulo.


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:goanet-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cornel
> Sent: 06 August 2006 12:44
> To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.
> 
> Hi Lenny
> I was not trying to prove anything for starters when I raised a point with
> A. Veronica Fernandes. As he had indicated rape in Goa in 1961 and in
> Kuwait
> in 1990, it seemed absolutely reasonable to seek some hard evidence in
> terms
> of figures etc from him (or indeed from anyone else) if he had it as he
> was
> close to the scenes.

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[Goanet] MESSAGE FROM Councillor Rabi Martins -WORLD GOA DAY 2006

2006-08-08 Thread r.barreto
00 

MESSAGE FROM Councillor Rabi Martins 
Chairman (Civic Mayor) Watford Borough Council -UK 

000 000


The celebrated author Graham Greene is reputed to have once said 
"Anthropologically speaking Goans are a Master Race." I am not sure 
about that. What I am sure of is that we Goans are very proud of our 
ancestry and heritage and where ever in the world we may live, we never 
forget our roots. 

I also know that we Goans are an adaptable lot and have made a home for 
ourselves in every corner of the world and adapted to the customs and 
cultures of our chosen new "homeland". But at the same time we have 
established organisations to bind the community together and protect and 
promote our very own distinctive attributes. 

In the context of the Global village you can be assured there is a Goan 
organisation in every corner of the globe. 

It therefore makes tremendous sense for all these organisations to link 
up under one umbrella - The Alliance of World Goan Organisations - 

I look forward to the launch of this great initiative at the World Goa 
Day and will be proud to be associated with it. 

Councillor Rabi Martins 
Chairman (Civic Mayor) Watford Borough Council 




Rabi Martins MBA 
Business Advisor 
Heathrow City Partnership Ltd 
0208 571 8810 
www.heathrowcity.co.uk 

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Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples

2006-08-08 Thread Lawrence Rodrigues
<<  ... It is my belief that NO God fearing person will NEVER commit violence
against another ... except in self-defence. ...  >>  Jose Colaco


What about the Abraham's attempt to kill his son Isaac?

Lawrence
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[Goanet] Goa Sudharop: Seniors E-book

2006-08-08 Thread George Pinto
A fellow former-Chemburkar (Bombay), my first memory of George Menezes was when 
he dressed as
Santa Claus and came down the chimney at the Club to amuse us as kids - next to 
OLPS School. A
good family friend and my dad's contemporary, he has achieved much and done Goa 
proud. His
submission below is for Goa Sudharop's E-book on Seniors which will be 
published in due course. If
you have not sent in your submission, please do so (details will follow in a 
separate email).

Regards,
George 



May Is the Cruelest Month
By George Menezes

T. S. Eliot wrote that “April is the cruelest month….” Obviously he was not a 
Goan going home. For
a Goan going home, it is May that is the cruelest month. And it gets crueler or 
“worser” as my
friend Leitao Sacrafamilia used to say without bothering about his grammar.

Worser because you have to return by Air since all other means of transport is 
already booked, and
 you realize that your “khatli potli” which would have included jackfruits, 
pineapples, cocum,
vinegar, dried fish, brooms, jaggery, cashew nuts and feni would never be 
allowed on flight.

Anyway, finally, after a gap of many years, you arrive in Goa….. like the 
missionaries in tribal
areas, a little breathless and a little late. And like always, you peal off 
your Bombay shirt, get
into a pair of baggy shorts, the hair on your bare chest bristling in the Goan 
“ambience”, and
lower your carcass into your grandfather’s “voltaire” with arms long enough for 
you to put your
feet up forty five degrees in the air. Ah, this is the life.

You get up late, and take a walk through the ancestral property in order to 
pick up fallen mangoes
and return for a soup-plate full of “kanji” and “kalchi koddi”.

Disappointing news. There are no fallen mangoes. In fact there are no mangoes 
fallen or otherwise
in the entire property. No “malcurad” the king of mangoes, no”malgese” the 
juice-filled ones that
go into the making of mango jam.

A blight has ruined the crop. Nasty looking octopus-tentacled creepers have 
embraced the trunks of
every tree.  Fruit trees, you discover, have emotions. They require the loving 
care and the tender
concern of none other than the “badcar..…the landlord, himself. 

Head hanging down in shame, your straw hat in hand as if you are at a funeral 
procession, you walk
home bang into a second catastrophe.

 No “kalchi koddi”. Or shall we say, it does not come up to the standards of 
“kalchi koddi” of
yesteryear. Something happened. The coconut was not fresh enough, perhaps. The 
modern attempt to
solidify yesterday's liquid curry on a gas flame in a stainless-steel vessel is 
not the right and
proper way to handle a treasure. You require an earthen pot. You require a 
gentle fire made of
wood and coconut shells lasting the whole night through. Like a beautiful 
European woman taking a
gradual tan under a Goan sun.

As if this were not enough, you make other discoveries of the heart-wrenching 
innovations of
modern Goa. At “ladahinhas” the singing is still in four discordant voices, the 
gossip still
juicy, but the Non-Resident Goan celebrating the Cross-feast is serving 
Californian salted almonds
from a can in place of the gas-inducing boiled gram in a chipped saucer. Worse 
still, bottles of
Scotch are making their shameful appearance on a tray.

“Can I have some urrak, if you don't mind, you ask meekly. The host looks at 
you as if you were a
toddy tapper. His father comes to your rescue. “Bab” he says apologetically, “I 
finished the
last”causo” a few weeks ago. Can I give you some urrak from a sealed bottled?

For a day or two you go into a fit of deep depression. What have they done to 
this my native land
when I was away?  Slowly you realise that the more permanent residents of Goa 
have taken things in
their stride. In fact, welcomed the development with all its evils. It is only 
you who want the
best of both worlds the modern amenities of Bombay and the old style charm of 
Goa.

Yet, my beloved Goa is still beautiful. The water in the well of a neighbour 
who has no tap
connection is as fresh as the morning dew. He invites me to partake of its 
abundant source. The
best fish goes to the five-star hotels, yet the family that rents out the 
sluice-gate (manos) for 
whose son I found a job, says to me “Bab tuca ami nishtem dinant zalear, konank 
ditele.?

That night someone takes you to the “tiatr” (folk theatre) and for three hours 
of tears and
laughter you are immersed in a Goan sauna…. a nostalgic massage of giant 
proportions. Goa is still
there alive and kicking, it is midnight and all‘s right with the world.

As I said before May is the cruelest month. Not for those who manage to make it 
to Goa but for
those of us who cannot.

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Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing & Bigotry (attn. G. Pinto-Final)

2006-08-08 Thread Frederick \"FN\" Noronha
This is  a meaningless thread, Nasci is not making any convincing
points, except to use each post to pour scorn on a religion he doesn't
belong to and doesn't think twice before insulting and
misinterpreting.

On 07/08/06, Nasci Caldeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I do respect Hindus as people, but cannot find enough
> reasons/gut to support their beliefs re worship of
> 'animals'; as also their caste system and prejudices

You do not have to "support" other people's beliefs, just as they do
not need to "support" yours. You just need to realise that the world
is round, it take all types to make this planet. You cannot force your
views or (obviously very biased) evaluations on anyone else.

Christ said love your neighbours. George Bernard Shaw (if I recall
right) said you just need to tolerate your neighbours. You show signs
of neither. And arguing that you don't have any Hindu neighbours
doesn't cut too much ice.

> How come the majority Hindus, who you say are good,
> are supporting this Hindutva nonsense; and how come
> this 'GOOD? majority does not RISE AGAINST these
> hedeous acts? Hmmm?

Watch where your logic goes, Nasci. You better be prepared with an
answer over how all those good Christians (specially the Catholics of
Bavaria) supported a Hitler, and ditto for a Franco, a Mussolini and a
Salazar!

If the "majority" Hindus had to support Hindutva, India would have
bade goodbye to secularism long ago. Fact is the BJP struggles to come
to power at Delhi, has to make all kinds of compromises with all kind
of strange bed-fellows, never gets more than 20-35 per cent of the
votes cast (even less if you take the full electorate). In Goa too,
the BJP has to depend on the Wilfred de Souzas, the Francisco
Sardinhas, the Babush Monserrates, the FX Mickky Pachecos (and other
dissident Congressmen whose ambitions are easily fuelled) to come to
power inspite of Goa having a 65% Hindu population. Likewise, Manohar
Parrikar knows he cannot win an election in his hometown of Mapusa,
and that he can win in Panjim with the support of the so-called
Catholic "elite" taken in by promises of good governance and a
prettified town!

Your facts are just wrong Nasci, and your arguments are bigoted. A
deadly combination. FN
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[Goanet] Interesting Facts

2006-08-08 Thread borg costa
Interesting Facts:

1. The longest one-syllable word in the English
language is "screeched."
 
2. "Dreamt" is the only English word that ends in the
letters "mt" 

3. Almonds are members of the peach family. 

4. The symbol on the "pound" key (#) is called an
octothorpe. 

5. The dot over the letter 'i' is called a tittle. 

6. Ingrown toenails are hereditary. 

7. The word "set" has more definitions than any other
word in the English language. 

8. "Underground" is the only word in the English
language that begins and ends with the letters "und." 

9. There are only four words in the English language
which end in "-dous": tremendous, horrendous,
stupendous, and hazardous. 

10. The longest word in the English language,
according to the Oxford English Dictionary, is
pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis. 

11. The only other word with the same amount of
letters is its plural:
pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosesl. 

12. The longest place-name still in use is
Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwe-nuakit
natahu, a New Zealand hill. 

13. Los Angeles's full name is "El Pueblo de Nuestra
Senora la Reinade los Angeles de Porciuncula" and can
be abbreviated to 3.63% of its size,L.A. 

14. An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain. 

15. Tigers have striped skin, not just striped fur. 

16. Alfred Hitchcock didn't have a belly button. It
was eliminated when he was sewn up after surgery. 

17. Telly Savalas and Louis Armstrong died on their
birthdays.
 
18. Donald Duck's middle name is Fauntleroy. 

19. The muzzle of a lion is like a fingerprint - no
two lions have the same pattern of whiskers. 

21. A pregnant goldfish is called a twit. 

23. There is a seven-letter word in the English
language that contains ten words without rearranging
any of its letters, "therein": the,there, he, in,
rein, her, here, ere, therein, herein. 

24. Dueling is legal in Paraguay as long as both
parties are registered blood donors. 

26. A goldfish has a memory span of three seconds. 

27. It's impossible to sneeze with your eyes open. 

28. Cranberries are sorted for ripeness by bouncing
them; a fully ripened cranberry can be dribbled like a
basketball. 

30. The letters KGB stand for Komitet Gosudarstvennoy
Bezopasnosti 

31. 'Stewardesses' is the longest English word that is
typed with only the left hand. 

33. The combination "ough" can be pronounced in nine
different ways; the following sentence contains them
all: "A rough-coated, dough-faced, thoughtful
ploughman strode through the streets of Scarborough;
after falling into a slough, he coughed and
hiccoughed." 

34. The only 15 letter word that can be spelled
without repeating a letter is uncopyrightable. 

35. Facetious and abstemious contain all the vowels in
the correct order, as does arsenious, meaning
"containing arsenic." 

36. Emus and kangaroos cannot walk backwards, and are
on the Australian seal for that reason. 

37. Cats have over one hundred vocal sounds, while
dogs only have about ten. 
38. The word "Checkmate" in chess comes from the
Persian phrase "Shah Mat," which means "the king is
dead." 

39. The reason firehouses have circular stairways is
from the days of yore when the engines were pulled by
horses. The horses were stabled on the ground floor
and figured out how to walk up straight staircases.



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[Goanet] For A Goanet poster.

2006-08-08 Thread Gabe Menezes
Some of us,having been informed that all topics regarding Iraq and
Israel were now considered 'Personna non grata', accepted this with no
qualms.

One Goanet poster who always wants to have the last word posted his
piece directly to our inbox, whilst also informing us that we were on
his spam list, so it would be futile responding!

This is the hallmark of the person, who continually complains and whines!!

I respectfully ask this man: Please do not send my any private emails,
this is my only means of conveying this to you.

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
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Re: [Goanet] Cell Phone vs. Bible

2006-08-08 Thread Frederick \"FN\" Noronha
Could the Bible encourage some form of two-way communication? Can it's
message be a bit more contemporary? If so, it could possibly get a
greater mindshare (and not have to depend purely on subsidised
publication that ends up among the most-widely-circulated-but-unread
books).

No offense meant, but I think the comparison is not particularly apt.

On another plane, the cell phone is suspected to cause brain cancer
(no conclusive view on this yet... but I've just reached to take mine
out from my pocket and place it on a nearby bookpile). For it's part,
the Bible could play a positive role, provided it didn't make us feel
so self-righteous, or convince us that we are somehow superior to
those who have another set of beliefs. FN

PS: Apologies for getting caught up in an off-topic thread!

On 08/08/06, borg costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cell Phone vs. Bible
> I wonder what would happen if we treated our Bible
> like we treat our cell phones?
> What if we carried it around in our purses or pockets?
> What if we turned back to go get it if we forgot it? ...

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Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.

2006-08-08 Thread cornel
Hi Lenny
Many thanks for you kind reply. Like Clinton, I feel your pain about war but 
definitely need to rely on hard data about allegations of rape in Kuwait or 
for that matter in Goa in 1961. For now, no such hard data has been 
forthcoming but only hearsay.

I am sure you have seen a newspaper rejection of Veronica's assertion about 
rape in Kuwait but I admit I know know nothing about this particular 
publication in the Gulf.

There may be many reasons why hard data on rape in Kuwait is not forthcoming 
but I refuse to demonise any group of people on just hearsay.
Kind regards
Cornel
 PS I have been consistent that I do not believe that war resolves very much 
if anything. On this we seem to be absolutely agreed.
- Original Message - 
From: "lenny dsouza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women.


> Cornel,
>  Dont get me wrong, Just that you touched a tender part.
>  I have seen it all its just not worth going thru all the nightmare again, 
> even today if crackers burst it run chill thru me and may all those who 
> were there with me, as we we the unlucky who got left out.
>  Thats why i am against war, it does not bring any peace.
>  Lenny


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[Goanet] Update... departments putting out information under the Right to Information Act in Goa...

2006-08-08 Thread Frederick \"FN\" Noronha
Below is a list of departments which have not done data entry under
the Right to Information Act 2005. I obtained this information under
the RTI itself, from the Department of Information:

1. National Savings Organisation
2. GSIDC
3. Goa Tourism Development Corporation
4. Environment Department
5. Goa State Coastal Zone Management Authority
6. State Institute of Education (SIE)
7. Goa Board
8. Central Library
9. Law, Judiciary & Parliamentary Affairs Department
10 Institute of Psychiatry and Human Behaviour
11 Goa Diary
12 Sanjivani Sahakari Sakhar Karkahna Ltd
13 Rural Development Department
14 Goa Housing Board
15 Provedoria Department
16 Consumer Disputes Redressal Commission
17 North Goa District Consumer Forum
18 South Goa District Consumer Forum
19 Transport Department
20 River & Navigation Department
23 Bicholim Municipal Council
24 Canacona Municipal Council
25 Cuncolim Municipal Council
26 Curchorem-Cacora Municipal Council
27 Mapusa Municipal Council
28 Margao Municipal Council
29 Ponda Municipal Council
30 Pernem Municipal Council
31 Quepem Municipal Council
32 Sanguem Municipal Council
33 Valpoi Municipal Council
34 City Corporation, Panaji
35 Goa State Urban Development Corporation
36 BFDA
37 Information & Publicity Deparment
38 Directorate of Civil Aviation/Airport
39 Office of Chief Electoral Officer
40 Office of State Election Commission
41 Directorate of Technical Education
42 Government Polytechnic, Panaji
43 Administrator of Communidades - North Goa
44 Administrator of Communidades - South Goa
45 Administrator of Comunidades - Central Zone
46 Town & Country Planning Department
47 Goa Horticultural Development Corporation

And here's a list of departments which *have* initiated data entry
under RTI Act 2005, dated July 14, 2006:

1. Vigilance Department
2. Directorate of Vigilance
3. Department of Sainik Welfare
4. Home Department (General)
5. Home Department (foreigners and citizens only)
6. Department of Commercial Tax
7. Department of Excise
8. Directorate of Accounts
9. Directorate of State Lotteries
10 Economic Development Corporation
11 Finance Budget Department
12 Finance (Revenue and Control) Department
13 Finance (Expenditure) Department
14 Department of Tourism
15 Science & Technology Department
16 Goa State Council of Sci & Technology
17 Goa Coastal Zone Management Authority
18 Industries Department
19 Dept of Industries, Trade & Commerce
20 Khadi and Village Industries Board
21 Goa Industrial Development Corporation Ltd
22 Goa Handicrafts Rural & Small Ind Dev Corpn
23 Education Department
24 Factories & Boilers Department
25 Power Department
26 Mines Department
27 Art & Culture Department
28 Information Technology Department
29 Law, Judiciary & Parliamentary Affairs Department
30 Law Department (Legal Affairs)
31 Law Department (Estt)
32 Directorate of Prosecution
33 Directorate of Health Services
34 Goa Medical College
35 Goa Dental College
36 Directorate of Food & Drugs Administration
37 Public Works Department
38 Registrar of Cooperative Societies
39 Goa Marketing Federation
40 Archives & Archaeology Department
41 Museum Department
42 Goa Institute of Rural Development & Admn
43 District Rural Development Agency, North Goa
44 District Rural Development Agency, South Goa
45 North Goa Zilla Panchayat
46 South Goa Zilla Panchayat
47 Social Welfare Department
48 Directorate of Women & Child Development
49 Craftsmen Training Department
50 Housing Department
51 IPA (Provedoria) - South Goa
52 Civil Supplies Department
53 Directorate of Transport (Head Office)
54 Mormugao Municipal Council
55 Non-Conventional Energy Department
56 Fisheries Department
57 Labour & Employment Department
58 Animal Husbandry and Veterinary Services Department
59 Goa Meat Complex Ltd
60 Veterinary Hospital, Tonca
61 Agriculture Department
62 General Administration Department
63 Personnel Department
64 Revenue Department
65 Collectorate of North Goa
66 Collectorate of South Goa
67 Directorate of Settlement and Land Records
68 Forest Department
69 North Goa Forest Division
70 Administrative Reforms Department
71 Information & Publicity Department
72 Water Resources Department
73 Official Languages Department
74 Public Grievances Department
75 Directorate of Public grievances
76 Planning, Statistics & Evaluation department
77 State Planning Board
78 Office of Chief Registrar of Births & Deaths
79 Printing & Stationery Department
80 Higher Education Department
81 Protocol & Hospitality Department
82 Raj Bhavan
83 Mines Department, Secretariat
84 Department of Legal Metrology
85 Forest Department (Secretariat)
86 Goa College of Pharmacy
87 Captain of Ports
88 State Registrar-cum-Head of Notary Services

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[Goanet] We are promoting the WORLD GOA DAY event to a wider audience here in Australia.

2006-08-08 Thread r.barreto


0 


Just a short note to let you know that the World Goa Day celebrations are 
progressing very well over here in Sydney. 

We are promoting the event to a wider audience here in Australia. 
The Radio interview by Australia's SBS radio presenter Kumud Merani with 
Alzira Colaco of the GOA NSW Inc. can be heard on our website 
http://www.our-goa-nsw.org/index.php?id=103 


With kind regards 


Tony Colaco 
Vice President 
GOA NSW Inc. 

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[Goanet] New VCD FUGDDI.

2006-08-08 Thread A. Veronica Fernandes

New Konkani VCD "FUGDDI".

John D'Silva is one of the well known Goan Stage artistes from Sam Jose de 
Areal. He has written and directed many dramas and staged them not only in 
Goa but even in other parts of Goan World including Gulf.  Recently almost a 
fortnight back he with his own troupe toured UAE where in Dubai he staged 
his two well acclaimed dramas namely JINN & VAITT.  During this trip he 
released his new VCD "FUGDDI" which is full of comedy in which he along with 
Selvy and Joanna make the viewers laugh heartily.  The story and sequences 
are scripted by John D'Silva only.  Musical score is provided by Jose 
Carvalho.  In this VCD John D'Silva plays triple roles which is something 
unique. This VCD in original will be available for sale in the hall during 
the Tiatro "Ghor Bhandlem Ghorabo Moddlo" by Rosary Ferns on Friday 11th of 
this month.

This is the second VCD of John D'Silva.  Earlier he produced his first VCD 
"Duddvankar" .  Besides, he also produced one Audio Cassette "Porzoll" in 
1988 and in 1995 he produced one Video Movie "XINN", all were well received 
by the audience.

John D'Silva is a decent man and as I know him a non-vulgar tiatrist having 
brought up in a disciplined background.  He is very cooperative and not a 
destructive tiatrist.  His educational background at College level has 
helped him a lot to attain much of success in life.  Though he looks very 
aggressive in his roles on the stage but in real life he is very soft and 
mild.  Though he performs different roles yet what I admire in him more is 
his comedy roles.  He resembles on the stage in many aspects like Vincy of 
the then Young Stars of Goa who used to make the audience laugh and laugh 
just by standing only but using his sharp tongue.  Vincy lasted for a short 
period and disappeared into oblivion.

Those who want to enjoy a good comedy they must make a point to see this 
VCD.  Selvy too plays a good supporting role along with Joanna.

I am sure Goan and Konkani community will patronize John D'Silva by 
purchasing original VCD during Rosary's Tiatro and encourage him to go 
further.


A. Veronica Fernandes,
Kuwait.

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[Goanet] Right to Information links... in Goa

2006-08-08 Thread Frederick \"FN\" Noronha
Just a few updates I came across:

* Goa's official gazette (Series II No 17 dated July 28, 2006) lists
the officers designated at Principal Information Officers (PIOs) and
Assistant PIOs (APIOs) and the first appelate authority by various
departments, autonomous bodies, corporations, panchayats and
municipalities. There are 180 authorities listed.

This gazette coses Rs 22.00. Maybe we could work to get it online and
save everyone's money! The Government Printing Press should be doing
this themselves!

* Government of Goa has published the Right to Information Act 2005
(Central Act 22 of 2005), and made it available through the Government
Printing Press. This 44-page booklet costs Rs 44 from the Government
Printing Press (near Azad Maidan) during their cash timings. Go before
4 pm and avoid the lunch break.
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Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples

2006-08-08 Thread velho
Hi Mario,

As the main proponent of the theory that "God fearing people cannot be 
evil". Can you please explain the following paradoxes.

1. Why is the "Bible Belt" in the USA known for religious god fearing people 
as well as for the most racist ones ??
2. Why are Brahmins( the most god fearing and religious of castes) 
synonymous with oppression of lower castes ??
3. Why are Fidayeen extensively brainwashed with rock solid codes(quotes) 
from the Koran before they blow themselves up ??

Regards
Sunith Velho
Panjim-Goa 

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[Goanet] Banking services

2006-08-08 Thread Albert Desouza
Albert  wrote
For those people who have friends in the bank it is very easy to get good 
service. I have an account in the Bank of India and my neighbour who works 
there was the one who forced me to open the account. Till he was in the 
Mapuca branch the service was too good as he would do all the work for me 
and I did not have to visit the bank. Then he was transfered to Saligao and 
I had to do all the work my self. I was totally fed up of the bank and till 
today I am fed up. Those officers who sit before the computer do not know 
which key to press. The update of pass book  takes about 30 minutes and 
sometimes only half printing is done. Long ques at the cash counter. I had 
at one time literally call the zonal manager to help me.The other day I 
wanted to update my pass book at the corporation bank. The bank had omitted 
some entries and so I had to get it straight. The lady at the printer did 
not even look at me till I had to draw her attention. She said that the 
entries are too many and I will have to come again the next day. I said no. 
I told her that she will have to do the work now at this moment. She showed 
me several cheques which she has to approve. Only when I got hold of my 
mobile and told her that I would be calling the zonal manager on the phone 
she took the pass book and it took her 35 seconds to do the work.I know how 
canara bank works.
Albert

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Re: [Goanet] London Goenkars, please note!!

2006-08-08 Thread velho
Dear Mario,

If you are closely monitoring the real estate situation in Goa and the rest 
of India, you will find that while property rates have increased manyfold in 
the last five years the rise in RENTS for residential properties have only 
increased marginally. Any economist will tell you what this means is that 
the local DEMAND for residential housing has been satisfied. What is driving 
prices through the roof is other factors. In Goa's case it is wealthy 
Indians flocking to Goa for holiday homes. This has all the makings of a 
BUBBLE. This is being repeatedly pointed out by Swaminathan, Deepak Parekh 
(chairman HDFC) and others.

To give you an example of this, a friend of mine bought a flat in Mumbai for 
about Rs. 1.5 crores, he rents it out for about Rs. 1.5 lakh a month. For a 
penthouse close to your residence in Miramar that costs almost Rs. 1.5 
crores, you will not find anyone to rent it even for Rs. 30,000.

Even the worst performing India specific mutual fund would give you annual 
returns of 15-25% and much more if you are a smart investor( and invested in 
S. Korea specific funds). So you are effectively losing upto 37.5 lacs a 
year in this manner.

Secondly, as a foreign national you are losing another significant 
percentage of your returns because the Rupee is deliberately and 
continuously weakened against the dollar, pound, euro, etc.

The only thing you have going for you as a foreign national who has bought 
property in Goa  is that the property price is increasing very rapidly, 
however since you are not in touch with the "real" estate situation in 
India, you are unaware of all the BUBBLE warnings being issued just as you 
were unaware of regulations when buying your property from touts( they are 
not worthy of being called real estate companies).

 Hence you will be proved an IDIOT in any one of the following ways:
1. When the BUBBLE bursts.
2. When Rane and Co. take over your properties.
3. Now at the height of the real estate boom it is very difficult to sell 
your property because, all the registrations of sale deeds(of foreign 
nationals) have been put   on hold.
4. When Mopa comes up and the rest of the Konkan coast starts 
developing(This is a smart investment right now!)

But mainly you are an IDIOT because you are investing your money in a 
volatile market of whose fundamentals you have no idea of. However if you 
have a Goan connection you will have more access to information regarding 
the situation in Goa and will find it much easier to dispose of the property 
at the right time. The Property value WILL remain the same regardless of 
your ethnic background.

Mario, as a man who is interested in economics you should know that 
residential real estate is a good investment when local DEMAND drives the 
prices up(since that type of demand always shows predictable behavior). 
Otherwise your investment is like speculation on the stock exchange. For 
speculation in real estate you cannot be sitting 5000kms away with no 
connection to the local scene.

Regards
Sunith Velho
Panjim-Goa



I know several "foreign nationals of non-Goan descent"
who purchased property in Goa a few years ago, and the
property has more than quadrupled in value and the
value continues to increase.
>
So, can Jim or Sunith please explain how these people
are "idiots"???
>
And, while you are at it, can you please explain how
property values, which are based on supply and demand,
vary depending on whether the investor is a Goan or
non-Goan?
>

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[Goanet] Exposure of ...... God fearing & evil

2006-08-08 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
Mogal Elisabeth,

Perhaps you do not read all my posts. 
I don’t blame you!  But you do break my heart in that regard. :=)) 
In one recent post, I confessed, "I was not a scholar on religion." 
And the religion questions should be answered by theologians and not by 
supurlem Goenkars like me.

Now don’t you think, you would like to hear that answer more often on Goanet?
Kind Regards, GL

-- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:  
 
Rather than me belabouring my point, I'd be curious to know what your views on 
"evil" are.
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[Goanet] Cell Phone vs. Bible

2006-08-08 Thread borg costa
Cell Phone vs. Bible

I wonder what would happen if we treated our Bible
like we treat our cell phones?

What if we carried it around in our purses or pockets?


What if we turned back to go get it if we forgot it?

What if we flipped through it several times a day?

What if we used it to receive messages? 

What if we treated it like we couldn't live without
it?

What if we gave it to kids as gifts?

What if we used it as we traveled? 

What if we used it in case of an emergency?

What if we upgraded it to get the latest version?

This is something to make you go...hmmm...where is my
Bible? 

Oh, and one more thing. Unlike our cell phones, we
don't ever have to worry about our Bible being
disconnected because Jesus already paid the bill!

Have a blessed day!


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[Goanet] SPEAK A LITTLE KONKANI ON "WORLD GOA DAY"

2006-08-08 Thread r.barreto


SPEAK A LITTLE KONKANI ON "WORLD GOA DAY" 
[ 20 AUGUST] .and every day after that! 



Dear Friends/Mogall Ixttano, 

When two Malayalis meet they speak Malayalam to each other; two Maharashtrians 
speak Marathi; two Kannadigas speak Kannada, two Bengalies speak Bangla; 
two Gujaratis speak Gujarati and two Kashmiris speak Kashmiri. But when two 
Goans meetthey speak English, however poor their English may be. It happens 
even in Goa! 

Konkani Uloi, Konkani Boroi, Konkanint Ghorabo choloi...zalear'ruch Konkani 
Mai Bhas jivi urtoli. 

Emails and net postings can be easily done in Roman script Konkani. Use this 
facility to promote Konkani. You can check for some Konkani 
sentences from the 'Goencho Ulo' www.goacom.com/goa ,'Vavraddeanch IXTT' 
www.v-ixtt.com , 'Gulab' www.gulabonline.com and other publications from 
their websites, if needed for a start. There are some sentences for daily 
usage reproduced herebelow. Like anything else, writing/reading 
Konkani in Roman script gets easier with practice. Use 'World Goa Day' 
to promote Konkani. Do not wait for the Government to do everything. 
Who waits for the Government to organise a picnic or a party? 
We do it ourselves!! 


I believe in the maxim, "One should never itch for something that one is not 
willing to scratch for." I am game to be a part of the core group to 
incorporate KONKANI into the "World Goa Day" celebrations. I would love for 
Cecil Pinto, Joel D'Souza, Ben Antao, Rene Barreto, Constantino Xavier, Mr. 
Ulhas Buyao [Lyricist, singer], Fr. Peter Raposo,sfx, Fr. Ubaldo 
Fernandes,sfx [Editor IXTT], Jose Salvador Fernandes, Fausto da Costa 
[Editor of 'Gulab'], Tomazinho Cardoz, Fr.Pratap Naik,sj[Director Thomas 
Stephens Konknni Kendr, Porvorim], Fr.Ave Maria Alphonso [Editor of "Dhor 
Mhoinneachi Rotti], Mr. Wilson Mazarello [President of Dalgado Konkani 
Academy], Prince Jacob [President of Tiatrists' Akademi] and others, who are 
willing, to be a part of this movement. As Rene would say, "Together we can 
make it happen." Absolutely no doubts about that!!! 

I must reiterate that 'official recognition' means nothing if the PEOPLE do not 
use the language. Nineteen years of official recognition of Konkani 
[Antruzi dialect] in Devanagri script and 14 years of teaching it in 137 
primary schools has changed the ground realitities very little. It is only 
if the people use the language for their day to day lives, that the language 
lives on. See what happened to Latin, to Sanskrit and so many other languages. 


The sentences suggested by Domnic Fernandes [copied below] are a good 
starting point for this August 20. 

. 

As we celebrate World Goa Day this year, my earnest request to Goans 
worldwide is to introduce our Konkani language in your functions in 
order to make them more Goa-oriented by speaking our mother tongue. I am not 
forcing everyone to speak the language but at least the announcers/Emcees 
should make an effort to welcome/greet the crowd in Konkani. Here are a few 
sentences which could be used at World Goa Day functions abroad: 
The announcer/Emcee introduces himself and wishes the crowd thus: 
"Somestank mae-mogacho ievkar " (Welcome everybody). 

Or 

"Somestank Dev bori sanz dium" (Good evening everybody). 

At the end of the program, he/she winds up the function by wishing the 
folks: 
"Dev boro dis dium" (Good morning), if the function ends in the morning 
Or 
"Dev bori rat dium" (Good night), if the function ends at night. 

Last but not the least; they should not forget to thank the participants 
in Konkani by saying "Dev borem korum!" 
I am confident these few words will not only add color to the function 
but will also go a long way to establish the roots of our language in the 
Diaspora! 
The attendees may also use the following simple phrases to enquire about 
each other at a function: 

Tum kosso asa[Masculine]/Tum koxem asa? [Feminine] (How are you?) 
Hanv boro asa/Hanv borem asa. (I am fine.) 

Tum Goyeam kednam gelolo/Tum Goyeam kednam gelelem? (When did you last visit 
Goa?) 

Hanv Goyeam porum gelolom/Hanv Goyeam porum gelelem. (I had been to Goa last 
year.) 

Tuzo ghorkar koso asa/Tuji ghorkarn koxi asa? (How is your husband/wife?) 
Mozo ghorkar boro asa/Moji ghorkarn bori asa. (My husband/wife is fine). 

Tumchim bhurgim koxim asat? (How are your children?) 
Amchim bhurgim borim asat. (Our children are fine). 

Aichi manddavoll ani jevonn tumkam koxem laglem? (How did you like 
today's arrangement and food? 

Aichi manddavoll ani jevonn amkam ekdom borem laglem. (We liked today's 
arrangement and food very much.) 

Borem tor, fuddlea vorsa mellche! (OK then, see you next year!) 

Let us keep in mind that our language is the key to our identity and 
distinctiveness that identifies us as "Goenkars" (Goans) anywhere 
in the world! 

Have a wonderful World Goa Day 2006! 

Moi-mogan, 
Domnic Fernandes 
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA 
..

Re: [Goanet] Banking services

2006-08-08 Thread Elisabeth Carvalho
I just want to add my two cents (not worth banking
on), here to say that some of the banks in Goa, such
as HDFC are actually superb with service on par with
any banking institution one would encounter in other
parts of the world. 

Elisabeth
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> 
> > Friends
> > The banking services of the nationalised banks is
> very poor. Sometimes one
> > has to stand in long ques to withdraw, or deposit
> or update their pass
> book.
> > The careadam attitude of the staff needs to be
> probed. The staff have no
> > right to go on strike if they cannot give the
> customers a good and
> deserving
> > service until then let private banks rule Goa
> > Albert
> >
> >
>
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[Goanet] Tiatro in Kuwait.

2006-08-08 Thread A. Veronica Fernandes
WILLIAM DE CURTORIM ARRIVED IN KUWAIT.

The stage is all set for Rosary Ferns to stage his new Tiatro on Friday 11th 
of this month at Hawally A/C Hall, starting at 3.30 p.m.  William de 
Curtorim has already arrived yesterday and all set to render 3 powerful 
solos in his usual style one of them a hard hitting slap on Rane on Mopa 
Airport.  The other visiting artistes who are in Kuwait now and will 
participate in this Tiatro are tragedy queen Ophelia, Antonette de Calangute 
and John D'Silva.  John in this Tiatro will perform a very good comedy along 
with local comedian Philiph.  Babli and Osvi are expected anytime from now.

The sale of tickets is going very well and to avoid last minute 
disappointment, Tiatro goers should confirm their seat reservations now only 
by contacting the organizers or at Raja Stores.

Rehearsals are going on in the Hall since last week, everyday.  All artistes 
and musicians are eagerly waiting to give their best on Friday.  First time 
in Kuwait for this drama audience will see youngster Rabindra Pietro - son 
of famous Konkani novelist and musician Bonaventure D'Pietro from Anjuna 
playing an Organ. Being a genuine Solfist Rabindra is a very good musician 
and was a music teacher in Goa before landing in Kuwait a few months back.  
The other new face first time will be seen in Kuwait Konkani Stage will be 
that of Pal Soares who in Goa before landing in Kuwait a year back was a 
well known playwright and director having his own troupe.  He is from 
Utorda.

In this Tiatro audience will have a feast of songs comprising Solos, Duets, 
Trios and beautiful Cantos in the play.  One of the beautiful Cantos that 
will bring nostalgic feelings amongsts Goans will be rendered by Ophelia, it 
will be a Portuguese Fado.  Nobody should miss listening to this Fado which 
is depicting olden days Goan tradition.

This Tiatro is organised by Kuwait Goan Association.

A. Veronica Fernandes,
Kuwait.

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Re: [Goanet] 'Last Bus to Vasco' goes to Frankfurt

2006-08-08 Thread Gabe Menezes
On 08/08/06, brian mark mendonca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 'LAST BUS TO VASCO' GOES TO FRANKFURT
>
>
> After being displayed in Toronto for the Viva Goa festival last week, Goan
> traveller-poet Brian Mendonca's debut volume of verse - 'Last Bus to Vasco:
> Poems from Goa' - now heads to Frankfurt for the Frankfurt Book Fair between 
> 4-
> 8 October 2006.

Congratulations, Brian - would your book be available at Confidante in Margao?

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
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[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Goa's own cyber-balcao ... (VM de Malar)

2006-08-08 Thread Goanet Reader
GOA'S OWN CYBER-BALCAO: LESSONS TO LEARN ON THE INTERNET SUPERHIGHWAY

by V. M. de Malar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I had Goa in mind the very first time I logged onto the
Internet, more than 11 years ago. The news media was full of
reports about this big new thing, this World Wide Web that
could potentially link up all the computers in the world to
create something called the "information superhighway."

But only a fraction of the world's personal computers were
hooked up when I first logged on and entered a world of
painfully slow dial-up connections, unreliable modems, and an
online sub-culture peopled mainly by computer science mavens
and university students.

It was a parallel universe, a "virtual reality" quite unlike
the flesh-and-bones world. And I looked for Goa immediately,
not expecting very much but curious about what might lurk in
the depths of this new medium.

  That's when I discovered Goanet, (now at
  www.goanet.org); it was already active when I
  joined the mailing list in early 1995.

There was great novelty in being connected to other Goans, so
many of us were totally isolated in the diaspora without any
sense of others in the same predicament.

This pioneering list served first of all as a simple
networking tool for young Goans, most of whom lived in the
UK, Australia and North America.

But as we felt out the Internet, and connectivity spread like
wildfire, the true potential of the medium started to become
clear. Eddie Fernandes came online, the veteran librarian had
access to superb search engines and posted news articles from
around the world with relevance for Goa. And so Goanet became
the best one-stop source for Goa-related international news.

Fred Noronha came online at the same time, the Saligao-based
journalist fed Goanet with locally generated news and views.
And bolstered by these miraculously free services that
materialized on your desktop almost instantaneously, the
membership of Goanet soared from a couple of score to a
couple of thousand.

Goa's pre-eminent contemporary historian, Dr. Teotonio de
Souza joined the network from his university in Portugal.

  Writers like Victor Rangel-Ribeiro and Philip
  Nazareth, distinguished scientists like Santosh
  Helekar and Helga do Rosario Gomes, technologists
  like Samir Kelekar all joined the network, and the
  forum became convulsed with stormy debates about
  religion, colonialism, 1961, and all the topics
  that get Goans hot under the collar whether on the
  Internet or off.

In time, the network has grown and expanded further. The
messages still fly fast and furious, and we are seeing a long
overdue demographic correction as more and more Goans in Goa
are finding their way to this venerable discussion list.

Goanet needs to be commended for running a strictly
transparent, strictly inclusive organization that has
consistently maintained very high-minded standards.

It is this Open Source motivation that is the key to its
success and longevity, and provides an excellent model for
newcomers to the Goa niche of cyberspace.

As our state prepares to roll out broadband right into the
villages, we will be bringing tens of thousands of new
subscribers online, and a host of new Internet-based
companies and services will be born. They should all take a
long look at what has kept Goanet alive; it's an
uncomplicated formula that will yield results.

This month marks twelve long years since Herman Carneiro
launched Goanet, the teenager expected to keep in touch with
a few friends and now manages a list encompassing more than
6000 members.

Fittingly, this week also marks the fifteenth anniversary of
the World Wide Web, the launch of the first browser software
written by Tim Berners-Lee at the CERN physics lab in
Switzerland.

Everything has exploded since then, many like to compare one
year of Internet development to seven or even ten years in
"meatspace."

Certainly, we have gone from one lonely discussion group for
Goans to a couple of dozen websites and even more mailing
lists.

  But as we look ahead to the broadband opportunity
  that has the potential to remake Goa all over
  again, and to a far more wired future, it's fitting
  to take a moment to register where we've come from
  and what it took to get here. Happy Anniversary to
  the Internet, and especially to Goanet, our very
  own cyber-balcao.

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VM de Malar is one of the early Goanetters, and is currently
based in Goa, where he writes for the local and outstation
media, mostly contributing think-pieces and well-written
features.

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