[Goanet] Hindu Sati, Christian (Spanish, Portuguese & English) Inquisitions & forcing others to the death.
If you came to my house, I would be pleased to direct (show) you to our small home temple between the living room & dining room, its on open area of about a metre wide & two metres deep, where our house Gods & Goddesses are resident (closed with a mesh curtain), opened up on Tuesdays & Thursdays for puja. You will see on this large shelf which is located around waist level a serene scene... In the middle is a rather large copper statue of Lord Ganesha on a plinth. Next to him you find other deties, including smaller statutes of Lord Ganesha (picked up from various places we visited over the years & some received as gifts from friends & relatives), amongst those we also have a Natraj about 18" in diameter, also made from copper, pictures in frames, on the walls, of Lord Murugan, Lord Krishna (in younger & older poses), also a trimuti of Ganesh, Laxmi & Parvati, One largish size & two small statues of Sai Baba amongst the incense sticks, powders, grey & red, candles, oil lamps (3), bells (3 different sorts), a 12" sitting pose statue of garlanded Nandi, Large artificial Banana Tree from Mauritius, Replica Flowers from India & Mauritius, amid Large posters of Ram, Shiva, Kali Maa, 2 brass figures of Kali Maa, also pictures of Durga Maa sitting on a tiger, and another picture of her on a lion, Laxi in her own framed picture. Many puja accessories to many to name here. I was born in London of European parents (Portuguese father & English/French mother) in 1950, I was brought up in Goa from 1951 until 1961, we were told to leave the country. Aged just over 11, I spent 10 years of my life amongst Goans, Catholic, Hindu & Muslim. My father was a 'strict Catholic' & I was placed in LHS in Magao where I received my first communion in 1959 (photos I will scan and make available to anyone who emails me & wants or needs confirmation of what I say, I stand in one picture with Brother Cana, sadly died some years ago, also those of my mother, brother & her friend Maria D'Souza, taken 1958 1959 1960). Heavily influenced by all three religions, it took a further 5 years (in the UK), before I realised my spiritual side (please note this was before the Beatles, Maharish Mahesh Yogi & the hippy movement. but that's another story), I leaned towards 'selected parts' of Hinduism. I was happiest aged around 3 or 4 years old until we left Goa when I had passed my 11th birthday, I was at Hindu festivals, watching the puja being performed by our neighbours, the smells & excitement, the food & the music of these, which, thankfully my mother did not stop me attending with my Goan friends and neighbours, but was I was heavily grounded if my father was around, we were to be all 'Good Christians', not heathens as he looked at it). If only he looked in the mirror deeply enough he would have seen who the real devil was, but that's another story). Hinduism has its spiritual side in my heart, that cannot be taken away, but I was brought up as a Catholic until my realisation, something twigged when I was around 16 years old & it was obvious to me that I was not practicing any religion at all, we were in the midst of the 1960's in the UK, it was a rebellious time for everyone, lots of things went on about this time, mostly though it was my realisation that I missed Goa much more than I had thought, and the friends I had made, the Goan friends, not the Portuguese, they were too rough & too demanding, not at all friendly). I am sorry you can take away so-called Sati disguised as a religious tradition (it is nothing to do with religion) which is an abhorrent practice as far as I am concerned. In my humble opinion (and no doubt you will agree to this, with me) they can take away the disgusting behaviour of the Catholics in the nightmare eras of the Catholic persecution of non-belivers, the Jews were mercilessly driven out of countries for their beliefs, many had to change their religions or see their families slaughtered. But the same treatment was meted out to anyone who was not a Catholic, even a pagan old villager or a senile of lady brandeda witch and burnt. The "new faiths" of Europe, such as the Protestant movement (one of many off-shoots of Catholic religion) were persecuted for their views by the "true faith", Catholics (even though they were worshipping the same God & his Son), but with 'less ceremony', they were incensed by the Vatican & the Pope of the day, around the time of King Henry VIII of England (he wanted & eventually got a divorce, but later resorted to murdering two more of his wives) however this was all done for INHERITANCE, yes it IS about money & power, Sati or Inquisition all this no matter how you disguise it, women have always been the brunt of anger, revulsion & the need to keep money, property & wealth in the family, blame them over any ills & then kill them to satisfy the power they will get from it, prestige or more
[Goanet] Frank Dias dies in tragic fire in California
Frank Dias dies in tragic fire in California By Team Mangalorean, USA San Francisco, California, December 5: Young and energetic with great American dreams, Frank Dias (35), a resident of San Francisco, California, and Anil Middekadi (24) of Sunnyvale, California, died in an unexpected tragic fire accident on Thursday, November 29, at a San Francisco's "Star India" restaurant. Frank Dias originally hails from Goa, had come to the U.S. to live a better life just two months before his death. He found a job and started working in the restaurant about three weeks ago. He is survived by a nine month old infant, wife Jany Dias and family, who reside in Goa. The owner of the restaurant, Mr. Bertrand Lewis, originally from Mumbai had just purchased the restaurant two months ago. Speaking to Mangalorean.com team, he said that all the workers were provided with an apartment to stay. Frank and Anil were the only two people who had keys to the restaurant, since they open it in the morning. Both were believed to be napping in a loft above the restaurant, which is usually used for conducting restaurant business, when the restaurant caught fire. The medical examiner has not yet determined the cause of Frank and Anil's death. They have yet to rule out whether they were dead before the fire broke out. The fire was reported around 5:30 a.m. and was controlled about twenty minutes later. The one story building was engulfed in flames, with heavy damage concentrated in the kitchen area. Fire damage to the loft prevented firefighters from entering the loft immediately. The bodies were found inside the building, in the loft above the restaurant, which had partially collapsed during the blaze. Firefighters had to quickly get out of the loft when the floor began to give way. The two victims were removed after the area was stabilized at about noon. Nevertheless, the bodies did not appear to be burnt. It is a commercial building used for various businesses, and some have very similar loft areas that are used as offices, etc. Investigators have determined that the fire does not appear to be intentional, but the cause of the fire is still under investigation. The 'Star India' is extensively damaged and is closed until further notice. Speaking to Mangalorean.com, Fr. Olvin Veigas, SJ of JSTB Jesuit Community in Berkley, California, who is close family friend of the owner and his family, said that he has contacted the Goan community to find out any of Frank Dias' family or extended family who can claim the body. Acaria Almeida of Goan community was able to contact a distant cousin of Frank who is trying to obtain a letter from the family to release the body so that it can be flown to Goa for final burial arrangements. Anil Middekadi's body has been released and the Tamil group in California has come together and has already raised funds within few days. Bertrand Lewis has made all the financial arrangement to ship the body to his home town. Speaking to Mangalorean.com, Bertrand Lewis said that he felt the need of helping Mr. Frank Dias's family financially as he didnt have enough financial support. Hence, Mr. Bertrand Lewis and Co-owner, Mr. Gregory D'Costa (Goan) made arrangements to open a non-profit account as "Frank Dias Donation Fund" to help Frank Dias' funeral and to support his family. "I have graciously agreed to administer the account and will make necessary arrangement to transfer the funds to Frank's family" said Fr. Olvin Veigas, SJ, to Mangalorean.com. Fr. Peter Fernandes of Chicago, St. Thomas church was also contacted by Mangalorean.com to speak to the family back in Goa to expedite the letter of affidavit to help release Frank Dias's body as soon as posisble. Fr. Peter immediately contacted the family and spoke to Frank's wife - Jany Dias. He told mangalorean.com team that they are in great need of financial help and any help from anyone will be highly appreciated. The family needs your support. Those who wish to help Frank's wife and his 9 month old baby, may send your donation to the following bank account and forward the same to like minded people who would be willing to contribute and share the burden of Frank's family. "Frank Dias Donation Fund" Wells Fargo Bank Account no. 2989042615 Routing no:121042882 1ST KONKANI MUSIC STATION ONLINE NON-STOP AT YOUR DESKTOP http://www.goa-world.com/goa/music/ Line Your Life In Such A Way That Your Little Corner Of The World Will Be Brighter Because You Are There! - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[Goanet] PM’s Statement on India-Portugal Bila teral Summit
http://pmindia.nic.in/lspeech.asp?id=620 December 1, 2007 New Delhi Prime Minister Jose Socrates and I have just concluded very fruitful talks today. Our bilateral Summit meeting carried forward the momentum generated by the successful visit of the President of Portugal to India in January 2007. It was during Portugal’s Presidency of the EU in 2000 that the Portuguese leadership proposed a Summit level meeting between India and the EU. The eighth India-EU Summit held yesterday, under the Portuguese Presidency, thus has an added significance for India-Portugal bilateral relations. We agreed that we should rekindle our historical links and build a strong, contemporary relationship that reflects the vast goodwill that our people have for each other and the immense potential for bilateral collaboration. We shared the view that the present level of bilateral trade at US$397 million is far below our potential. We agreed to make full use of the opportunities that are emerging from the rapid growth of India and the expansion of the European Union to actively enhance trade and investment, including by encouraging greater business-to-business interaction. Indian and Portuguese majors in the IT and pharmaceuticals sectors have recently entered each other’s markets. We agreed to encourage more such investments. We also discussed avenues for trilateral cooperation especially with the Community of Portuguese Speaking Countries. We are already cooperating in the field of hydrocarbons in Angola. Science and technology is yet another promising area in which we can pool our resources. There has been exchange of scientists and we would like to build upon this. We have identified high technology areas such as information technology, biotechnology, bio-informatics and nanotechnology as focus areas for joint collaboration. For this we will re-energize the existing inter-governmental mechanisms. Parliamentary exchanges between the two countries are an intrinsic element of our mutual desire to broad-base our relations. Our respective Parliaments have constituted Friendship Groups, and we both agreed that this initiative deserved our full support. We have also agreed to promote greater bilateral exchanges in the fields of sport, culture and tourism. We welcomed the signing of the Memorandum of Understanding between the All India Football Federation and the Portuguese Professional Football League. I am sure all football lovers in India will welcome this. There is also immense scope for working together in the area of restoration and conservation of our cultural heritage. Portugal has the third largest Indian origin community in Europe. I conveyed to Prime Minister Socrates our admiration for Portugal’s tolerant and open society. The richness of Portuguese culture in Goa, Daman and Diu is well known to every Indian, and we celebrate this legacy. We also exchanged views on regional and international issues. We are grateful to Portugal for its most friendly understanding and support to India’s candidature for permanent membership of an expanded UN Security Council. Based on our talks today I can say that we have a warm, trusted and reliable friend in Portugal, and specifically in Prime Minister Socrates. India looks forward to taking this important relationship forward in all areas. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1169 - Release Date: 03/12/2007 22:56
Re: [Goanet] The highly studious and highly accessible Digu Kaka
Mogall Miguelbab, On 2 Dec. 2007, you wrote: << .. a post he is eminently suited to serve for a life time like a true successor of Dr. Jack de Sequeira. Perhaps, his statue will be erected sooner than Jack was privileged to be remembered. Perhaps, it will even be erected at Goa Government's cost, a privilege so far denied to Jack, perhaps because he was a Catholic of non-Bamonn origin ... and a Moidekar at that!>> Dr. Jack de Sequeira was a Catholic, no doubt. But was he of non-Bamonn origin? Up till now I harboured the feeling that he was a Catholic Bamonn just like Dotor Willy. Was I wrong, all this time? Could you please enlighten me? Mog asum. Sebastian Borges On Sun, 2 Dec 2007, "Miguel Braganza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Rajan, While I was a still a Gazetted Officer in the Junior scale serving in the Directorate of Agriculture in the early 1990s, Prakash K. Desai from Rivona was the Director for a period of two years. On the extreme right hand side of the large colonial era bureau [table] that adorns the Director's chamber was a place where files were kept in "Limbo" or "Trishanku" during his term in office. When asked about the fate of these limbo dancing files he would reply, "Preciso de fazer estudo." with a disarming smile. The files needed careful study. I had been able to convince him about the Central Sector Schemes on Vegetables and Commercial Floriculture and to take up the setting up of a Mushroon spawn facility at Ela Farm. There was another file on Medicinal Plants that I was interested in but had landed in Limbo. His term was coming to an end and I asked him one day, "When are you going to decide on those files, Sir?" indicating the well populated Limbo. "But, Miguel, I have already decided on those files." he replied with the same disarming smile. I protested his indecision; the files were neither rejected nor approved, I emphasized. This disarrming smile came on his face like the "Intel Inside" sign on my computer screen, and he said,"Not to decide is also a decision. That is what I have decided for the contents of those files." His successor to that post inherited those files. Mr.P.K.Desai and I sit to chat about those "good ole days" whenever both of us have some time to spare at his Agro Clinic in Kamat Arcade, St. Inez. To Digu Kaka's credit, I have this much to say: At least he will hear you out ... and politely at that. One was hard put to get a patient hearing ...or politeness... when Manohar-bab was in power. The politeness returned when he returned to the post of Leader of the Opposition, a post he is eminently suited to serve for a life time like a true successor of Dr. Jack de Sequeira. Perhaps, his statue will be erected sooner than Jack was privileged to be remembered. Perhaps, it will even be erected at Goa Government's cost, a privilege so far denied to Jack, perhaps because he was a Catholic of non-Bamonn origin ... and a Moidekar at that! One may kick up a controversy over a line in the song of "Aaja Nachle", but the caste feelings cannot be wished away. They must be destroyed, consciously, by promoting equality before law. Mog asundi [There is nothing "official" about this European script in Goa's scheme of things!] Miguel Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] Catholic students, Catholic schools
Hi all, am passing thru Bangalore (en route to Pondicherry). The morning paper here (Times of India, I would have preferred my old employer Deccan Herald, but the roadside vendor didn't offer a choice) has this small comment. It referred, and contested, the local Archbishop's view that Catholic children should go to Catholic schools. What do you feel? Of course, after getting caught in the Konkaniwadis-PDF-Shashikala "regional languages only" primary schools policy, the Church-run schools are caught in a bind in Goa. The middle classes are deserting the. The positive unintended consequence is that poorer Hindu or migrant kids are, in turn, deserting the government primaries and flocking to the Church-run schools. My kids attend a "Church-run" school, but not for religious motives. (Personally, I think some amount of brainwashing as a kid is good... it pushes them to think for themselves as to what their stands should be, later on in life.) The school is conveniently close. It was my school a generation ago. And I think the secession-of-the-middle-classes in a time-serving manner is going to badly damage institutions that have taken so long to build. There are reports of some church-linked schools starting English-medium primary schools, without government subsidies. In a migration-oriented place (both out-migration and in) I think this is a less hypocritical stance, than that of all the Konkaniwadis who prefer to send their children to English medium schools or find employment in the better-paying Marathi papers themselves. FN Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel :: This message was sent from the road :: http://fn.goa-india.org
[Goanet] Huinduism is not based on caste
I wish you could think of ACTION too on the caste issue among so called 'Catholic' Goans. To date, it is my view that you have invariably 'shielded' or 'protected' caste among 'Catholics' in Goa rather than attacked it in any meaningful way. However, on this last point, you could of course provide me firm evidence that I may be mistaken in the above sentence. Please note that this is not a personal quarrel with you at all and I am aware that you are a fellow PhD whom I respect. On the caste issue, you particularly have a role as a priest and I am just tired of people wittingly or unwittingly allowing this caste nonsense to continue. unchallenged. Cornel Dear Cornel: I do not like to engage in this type of protracted pseudo-discussions. But, allow me to state a few points. 1- Internet appeared on the scene recently, Goanet was born yesterday; and some anti-casteist woke up on the scene of the internet just this morning! The perniciousness of the caste in Goan society was battled decades ago and continues to be battled till today, and statements were made, and positions staked. Documents were issued, etc. and those interested launched themselves quietly to change the minds and hearts of the people on the issue of caste. Lost of progress has been made. A little due diligence by those who woek up recently on the internet and are talking about the caste problem would have made some of these discussions more fruitful. 2- The question of Church. It is a complex institution and most people who engage the Church critically have no understanding of the institution of the Church, what it is, how it works, and what it does. They love to throw the word "Church" around. I would like to believe that well educated people would take time to understand the terms of discussions they engage in. A Pope is not the Church, a Bishop is not the Church. If a Bishop is casteist, the Church is not casteist. If a priest is casteist the Church is not casteist. Of course, there may be priests who are casteists. Like in every profession there are some flawed individuals. But that does not make the whole institution casteist. A study in Ecclesiology is strongly recommended to those who want to engage the Church. And it is good to engage the Church. Otherwise, any discussion on and about the Church is just a rant, and not worth participating. 3- There are some who are battling their own inferiority complexes and look every thing through the prism of caste - and they cry caste every time they perceive themselves as being slighted. Of course, there are individuals who are caste-minded. But, that does not give reason to paint the whole society as casteist. Some of the folks, including priests, have made a cottage industry to keep themselves in the limelight, gratifying their egos, and keeping themselves relevant. By making NOISE either from the Church pulpits or on the internet, hearts and minds are not transformed. Of course, the scourge of caste, in many sectors, continue. Some who report on the caste problems are not credible or reliable sources. Some of them battle their own demons, and caste-battle becomes a good camouflage for their, most of the time perceived, defficiencies. The confrontational approach has not solved the problem; on the contrary, people have solidified their positions as a challenge to the confrontational approach, even though they have had come to an intellectual understanding that caste is a bad idea. Confrontationalists have, in many instances, aggravated the situation between various groups. And the confromtationalsts think of themselves as heroes. Meanwhile, they have destroyed, many times irreparably, the quiet, subtle but solid transformations taking place in some communities. 4- Action: There are lot of people who work or ACT quietly behind the scenes, and accomplish much more. Just because they are not part of the NOISE-makers bandwagon, that does not mean they are complicit in maintaining the pernicious structures of the caste system. 5- Cornel, what makes you to think that I have not thought of ACTION? Just because you do not know about it? I have thought about it 35 years ago and have been at it, given my temperament, and my pedagogy, working at it based on my convictions. I don't need to make a statement of my position, and what action I take or have taken to satisfy others. 6- You are asking me to give you "firm evidence." What is your measure of FIRM? What you think of me is immaterial. 7- After reading this post, if someone is led to construct that I "shield" and "protect" caste among the Goan Catholics, so be it. Basilio Monteiro
[Goanet] Kabir Bedi is an actress
As far as I know Kabir Bedi is an actress. How did Goa Today make her a boy ? Carmo D'Cruz ex Bandra Now Indian Harbour Beach, FL
[Goanet] Santosh Helekar on Science Friday National Public Radio
Please check the link below http://www.sciencefriday.com/news/072407/finch072407.html
[Goanet] Goa Sudharop annual meeting in Goa
Goa Sudharop cordially invites you to its annual meeting and awards on Saturday, December 29, 2007, from 4-6pm at the Kala Academy, Panjim. All invited. Light refreshments will be served. In keeping with its 2007 theme YEAR OF THE ENVIRONMENT, a panel will discuss current issues (SEZs, Regional Plan, etc.) in Goa. More details to follow. Please mark your calendars and forward this message to your friends/family in Goa. Thank you for your support. GOA SUDHAROP www.goasudharop.org
Re: [Goanet] medicines (Albert)
On 04/12/2007, Albert Desouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1: It is a fact that cold and fever is caused because the child has been given BCG dose .This dose contains TB germ which is a live germ put in the healthy body. This germ creates a minor TB disease in the body. 2: This is ok if there are TB germs entering in your body due to endemic diseases but as no germ enters our body, there is cold and fever formed in the body as a symptom of TB. 3: Salt: - Dr.Benedict was the house doctor for Monte de Guirim boaders. When complained of sore throat he would say "Gargle with salt water. We did not understand him at that time and had named him saltwater doctor. But today I am reminded of his medicine and often use it and It works wonders.. If your nose is blocked the simple medicine is take salt in warm water .Take it from one nostril and pass it through the mouth. jc's response Dear Albert, re 1 & 2: What nonsense is that?! re 3: While salt is a well known agent for symptomatic relief of a sore throat and nasal congestion, I can safely tell you that Dr. Benedito (who read medical publications voraciously and daily) was quite aware of the dangers of Rheumatic Heart Disease due to inadequately treated throat infections. We discussed it on numerous occasions over dinner when we were home for the holidays. I can say the same wrt the doctor who took Guirim over from Dr Benedito i.e. Dr Plino Sa Cordeiro. jc
[Goanet] Is Goa liberated ?
Goa will be truly liberated when we are free of the current clutch of self-serving, money making politicians who hoodwink "Aam aadmi" at election time. - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [Goanet] Suitable Family Accomodation in Orlando, Fkorida
Arre Carmo Pedro, There is no "Dothon" Alabama. Unless you mean the Konkani word for Cathecism. The town is DOTHAN Alabama. On Dec 4, 2007 12:55 AM, CARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My brother Clifton will be moving to Orlando. Florida from Dothon, Alabama. > He has his wife Christine and two kids Liane age 8 and Ryan aged 6 years with > him. > Which is a safe and suitable place to stay ? I think the UCF area in NE > Orlando may be a safe bet because there are a number of apartments and > town-houses available to rent and the schools are oretty good in that area. > Also they will not be too far from Indian Harbour Beach on the East Coast of > Central Fkorida where we live along with another sister. > Do you have any recommended locations where there are a large group of Goans > living ? > > Best Regards, > > Dr Carmo D'Cruz > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Roland Francis 416-453-3371
[Goanet] OLD GOA 19in1 pics (with ans.)
OLD GOA 19in1 pics (with ans.) Only one person came back with some answers, there are 235 viewers... Ok, check this out once again http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2063741284&size=l No. 1-8-9-12-14-19 all in one place so also.. No. 3-11-13 No. 4-7-15 No. 5-10-16 No. 6-18 -There is Se Cathedral Church, St. Cajetan Church, St. Francis Assisi church, St. Augustin Church/Tower & walls -Inside altar of Se, St. Cajetan, Bom Jesus -Corridors of Bom Jesus Church where devotees sleep overnight -There is inside church well, outside church well (never heard of it?) - Ever heard of Harri Raza Gandd or Gate Way ? - There is a newly found catacomb (Pics and video provided earlier) - There cannons (opp. St. Francis Assisi church?) - There is a piano - Old Goa-Divar Ferry/point Check each of the 19 pic in its full size here.. Looks very beautifull St.. Augustin http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=448189493&size=l http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087016087&size=l St. Caitan http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087800594&size=l http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=208701&size=l http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087834018&size=l Hariraza gandd http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=208701&size=l http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087014539&size=l http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087013991&size=l Se http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087013595&size=l http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087797704&size=l http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087012647&size=l http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087796974&size=l http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087796648&size=l http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087011545&size=l behind Se http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087011137&size=l Bom http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087010651&size=l http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087010299&size=l http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2087059985&size=l Next time, if come w/o doing homework then 'Nachnneacher dimi' [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa or http://is.rediff.com/profilevisitor.php?mem_id=48419 __ Sent from Yahoo! - the World's favourite mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Medicine/To Albert
Albert wrote: In olden days old women would tie garlic in a cloth and tie it to the scapular. That helped them to reduce pressure and prevent gas. In case of gas they would inhale that cloth with garlic. - Dear Albert, In olden days it seems women didn't suffer from gas and didn't stab their husbands. Ergo, by observation of causative relationships we can concur that releasing of gas causes women to stab their husbands. Also maybe not having garlic on hand seems to have something to do with it, and possibly being liberated from Portugal. selma Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
Re: [Goanet] To be born moral/to Mario
--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Finally, I don't think there are any guarantees in > this child rearing business. > > - Dear Mario, I couldn't agree with you more about there being no guarantees in this child-rearing business. On this point, a couple of posters wrote to me privately to share viewpoints about raising children with and without religion. Both parties made eloquent points, especially on the subject of being influenced by religion. It would have made for interesting discussions on Goanet but I can understand their reticence in wanting to share their views publicly. My observation of children is ofcourse minimal (I actually don't like kids other than my own, ha ha) but I do think they are predisposed one way or another. Which could be the reason why dysfunctional parents still manage to raise outstanding human beings and vice versa. In an interesting footnote to the heinous crimes committed by Mr & Mrs West (you may remember them, they made headlines some 8 years ago), they had still managed to raise good children, none of them showing any tendency to the types of crimes their parents committed. What can we say? It's all a matter of faith er fate er..? :-)) selma Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
[Goanet] For info on opposition to SEZs in Goa
FYI --- sez virodhi manch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For info on opposition to SEZs in Goa read http://amkanakasez.blogspot.com/2007/12/goa-sold-for-asong.html SEZ VIRODHI MANCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit: http://amkanakasez.blogspot.com for discussions join: http://groups.google.com/group/sez-virodhi-manch
[Goanet] Moderators responsibilities
Dear mervyn: if i remember correctly your question about the Orange marches was merely a red herring.. mario goveia posted a news report about the comemoration of the anniversary of some terror attack..you criticised it because the poster was mario...i asked you what is wrong with remembering terror victims? rather than answer that question you introducedt this orange marches issue... regards b Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[Goanet] Goa news for December 5, 2007
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** I-League Preview: Dempo v/s Churchill Brothers - Goal.com [17 hours ago] The Armando Colaco led side had a listless last game against Sporting Club de Goa where they were held goalless for 80 minutes. In the opening game too, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://www.goal.com/en-india/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=502169&cid=1124481339&ei=DPFVR8GMBYPoqwPptp3ZCA *** Asia I-League Match Preview: Mohun Bagan - Sporting Club de Goa - Goal.com [Dec 2, 2007] I-League Match Preview: MohunBagan - Sporting Club de Goa The third round of I-League begins today and Mohun Bagan find themselves in an unknown territory- ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=500109&cid=1124295281&ei=DPFVR8GMBYPoqwPptp3ZCA *** ˜There is No Better Venue than Goa for the IFFI - Navhind Times [19 hours ago] In regal style, he states, "I have been coming to Goa for the last 30 years. Even when I was abroad, I made it a point to come down to this beautiful place. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=120437&cid=1123924477&ei=DPFVR8GMBYPoqwPptp3ZCA *** Feast of St Francis Xavier celebrated at Old Goa - Navhind Times [19 hours ago] The Archbishop of Goa, Rev Felipe Neri Ferrao, Archbishop Emeritus, Rev Raul Gonsalves,the Apostolic Nuncio Emeritus Archbishop Blasco Colaco,... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=12047&cid=1124456910&ei=DPFVR8GMBYPoqwPptp3ZCA *** Big-B To Skip The Last Lears Premiere At IFFI, Goa - TopNews [17 hours ago] Rituparno Ghoshs The Last Lear has finally arrived in India on the seventh day of Goa International Film festival after getting applause from abroad cities ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://www.topnews.in/big-b-skip-last-lear-s-premiere-iffi-goa-28156&cid=1124196054&ei=DPFVR8GMBYPoqwPptp3ZCA *** France\'s Sanofi inaugurates development center in Goa, India - MarketWatch [Dec 3, 2007] By marketwatch The investment in the Goa development centre represents the group's single largest investment in India to date and is testament to ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/frances-sanofi-inaugurates-development-center/story.aspx?guid=%7B257BE451-E934-438F-8D13-93BC6C5A0611%7D&cid=1124443201&ei=DPFVR8GMBYPoqwPptp3ZCA *** Goa concede 69-run lead to Jharkhand - Navhind Times [19 hours ago] Jamshedpur, Dec 03 Hosts Jharkhand took a vital 69-run lead topile up 405 for four in their first innings in reply to Goas 336 all out on the penultimate ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=120411&cid=1124452702&ei=DPFVR8GMBYPoqwPptp3ZCA *** Travco Holidays to set-up an aviation academy in Goa by January, 2008 - TravelBizMonitor [17 hours ago] By Anita Jain http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/articleDetails.aspx?id=1636§ionid=12&name=Trade%20News&cid=0&ei=DPFVR8GMBYPoqwPptp3ZCA *** Chabad Now In Goa - Lubavitch.com [20 hours ago] W ith the Arabian sea lapping gently at its coastline, Goa is a travelersparadise on Indias western coast. Hardly indigenous to its landscape of sun ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://lubavitch.com/article/2021272/Chabad-Now-In-Goa.html&cid=0&ei=DPFVR8GMBYPoqwPptp3ZCA *** Old Bollywood posters for sale in Goa - Economic Times [Dec 2, 2007] PANAJI: An Italian-Polish couple based in Goa has been carefully collecting film posters from across India, mainly of Bollywood, that take you back to ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ET_Cetera/Old_Bollywood_posters_for_sale_in_Goa/articleshow/2590771.cms&cid=1124427203&ei=DPFVR8GMBYPoqwPptp3ZCA Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
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Re: [Goanet] Cure for the Common Cold & Anti-biotics for a Viral Infection, , , ANY DOCTORS COMMENTS ON THIS PLEASE?
I was under the impression that anti-biotics worked only on bactarial infections, not on viruses such as Colds / Influenza / etc. And one of the reasons we some anti-biotics do not work well in many people is that the body's own defences against these bacterial menaces, and the virus that inflict us will not perish, is because medicines, even strong ones are dished out too much and too often. Some small doses of medicines are helpful, some herbal infusions & other homeopathic remedies are there to ASSIST us, not to cure but to bolster our system into fighting infections. Too many medicines will react negatively in our bodies, such as taking pills every time we get a headache, instead of drinking plenty of water to get rid of a stress headache (yes we get headaches when we do not drink enough water too), but other headaches and pains can be "ignored" or if you wish it to be "cured" then use yoga or a good walk down the road, fill your lungs with fresh air (watch were you walk). Hundreds of remedies were used in Ancient Times, and they still being used today, only they have been perfected to suit 21st century life-styles. But I would keep away from anti-biotics unless I had an infection. Certainly I woul question any doctor that prescribed an anti-biotic for a virus such as a cold. John Monteiro 04.012.07.15.18hrs (UK) -- edward desilva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi D Louise, I know of one old doctor in Panjim who is losing his mind due to old age. What he doesis prescribe 10 medicines with the hope that one of them will work. In Goa people do not question doctors, in fact they carry their bags and fuss over them. That is why, you questioning her came as a shock to her - HOW DARE YOU! Antibiotics are OK but only once a year or so, nothing else is need with it. Why? Doctors in UK are advised not to prescribe antibiotics too often - thats why. But, doctors are on commission with the manufacturers so it is in their interest to prescribe a certain medicine or medicines. ED. = Hi Selma,I had a similar experience in Goa when my little daughter was ill and the doctor was very annoyed when I proceeded to ask her what the different medicines prescribed were. I explained to her, that my daughter had not had antibiotics yet for a cold and was scolded that antibiotics are good and must be given at every opportunity (bit of exaggeration) ;-DLouise- ---
[Goanet] Studnets and teachers of Indian Hihgh School/Duke of Gloucester Nairobi Kenya
To the Editor: I am very interested in the special bond developed among the Indians from India that landed in East Africa via the development of the Railway starting from Mobassa in the 1890 and the subsequent settling of the diverse community which due to the segregated nature of the prevailing Britsh Colonial rule forced all to live in coned/defined areas and develop via the schools of the time into a comingled society, separate yet collective. In this regards I am interested to contact all those who attended the Government Indian High School later called the Duke of Gloucester School. Could you possible help? Sincerely, Suniti Mohindra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mohindra & Associates, LLC Suniti Mohindra, Managing Member Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the review of the party to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately return it to the sender. Unintended transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege.
[Goanet] PLANT UTSAV at SXC , Mapusa 14 to16 Dec, 2007
BOTANICAL SOCIETY OF GOA, PANAJI And ST. XAVIER'S COLLEGE, MAPUSA PRESENT PLANT UTSAV 2007 14 to 16 December 2007 at St Xavier's College - Mapusa - Goa COMPETITIONS AT PLANT UTSAV 2007 Date Competition Dec14, Potted Plant Competition Categories: Ornamental Plants, Flowering, and Cacti Potted plants to be brought to St Xavier's College on December 14, 2007 between 08:00 a.m. to 09:30 a.m. Competition is open to all persons residing in Goa, including long duration tourists. 08.30 a.m.Vegetable Carving [SXC and HSS students only] 08.30 a.m. Flower Arrangement [SXC and HSS students only] 10.30 a.m. - 4.30 p.m. Inauguration and Exhibition of Plants 12:00 noon. Fruit Eating Competition (banana, watermelon, papaya for 2 minutes). Participants have to bring the fruits December 15, 2007 10:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. Flower Arrangement [For Students and adults, all Goa] 11:00p.m. - 12:00p.m.Vegetable Carving. [For Students and adults, all Goa] Participants from any school/college or adults have to bring the flowers, vegetables and all other required equipment 12.00 noon Fruit Eating Competition (banana, watermelon, papaya for 2 minutes). School/College students Participants have to bring the fruits 16, December 12.00 noon Fruit Eating Competition[Open catergory] There is no entry fee for the competitions. Potted plants and flower arrangements can be taken back on Sunday after noon, aftetr intimating the organisers. Cash Prizes and Certificates to be distributed on Saturday and Sunday at 12.30 P.M. for on-the-spot competitions. Mog asundi. Miguel . -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Sati tradition or greed? How about coerced dowry and greed?
--- Sachin Phadte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am surprised that the moderators have allowed this > message of John Monteiro through.The whole thing is > conjecture and conjecture. Yes, there has been > sati - no one will deny it. > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Moderators did nothing wrong in allowing the post. It is perfectly okay to discuss any issue in this forum irrespective of whether it is conjecture or not, > Mario adds: > I agree with Santosh that members should not be restricted in the subjects they choose to write about. > I also share Sachin's obvious frustration at any suggestion that sati is connected with Hinduism in any way. Furthermore, referring to sati in 2007 as a "tradition" is simply false. > As far as I know, sati was never a "Hindu" practice in the first place. Sati was restricted to Rajputs in the old days and was subsequently banned by the British colonialists. There was one incident that I heard of about 20 years ago - perhaps there have been a few other isolated incidents since then. Sati is hardly widespread or encouraged by anyone in India. > The far more serious societal abomination that continues is the diabolical practice of coerced dowries, sometimes continuing and even escalating after the marriage and leading to vicious mental and physical abuse of the woman by the man and his family, including the ultimate expression of greed, the bone-chilling incidents of bride burning. > It is one thing for the bride's family to voluntarily give her her share of the inheritance when she needs it most, and quite another for the groom's family to pretend that they are selling their son to the highest bidder. > There is another scenario that is evolving in India that may paradoxically begin to turn the tide. > With the ratio of men to women shifting because of gender-selection abortions of female foetuses and the related atrocity of female infanticide, we may soon see women gaining the upper hand and becoming far more selective about whom they marry due to their growing scarcity relative to the available males in Indian society. > How about THAT for societal self-correction? >
Re: [Goanet] Death in the name of religion & politics, a sati parti-tion.........of sorts
I also remember there were similar expectations of women from the Sikh & Muslim communities during partition in 1947 whereby the women were expected to kill themselves & their children in any way they can if their men did not survive an onslaught 'from the other side'. Some found themselves having to throw themselves in the wells, some had to ask their elder sons to chop off their heads or else fall victim to the other side, being raped or similar worse fates that may befall them. It was thought kinder to kill their mums, sisters and wives and their children if they were to be overwhelmed by the attackers, be they from one religion or the other, it mattered not, death was preferable to anything that may happen to them afterwards. There were issues (and still exist today) because the Punjab was 'divided' between the newly formed Pakistan & India, or lay between two countries, therefore it became an impossibity for many to make this arduous move, elderly, sick, physically & mentally challenged people, the young, pregnant women etc were finding it difficult, impossible in fact, many died on the roads, from lack of food, medicine & of course from conflicts between THREE religions that bumped into each other during their travails, in the day and during the nights. It seems any death is preferable, no matter how its perpetrated or by whom, is welcomed rather than be in the hands of the 'enemy", and after all this, in the name of politics, to partition India into two separate countries (three originally if you take East Pakistan into account, aka Bangladesh) & all this because religion was brought together with politics. It brought about the deaths of a million Indians during partition when hundreds of thousands of people were herded hundreds of miles along roads, HINDUS, SIKHS, MUSLIMS, all brothers and sisters, in the name of religion. Fatal when combined with money & politics! Death appears to be compulsory if you dont fit in. John Monteiro 04.12.07..15.40hrs (UK)
[Goanet] medicines
Immunity is something that God has given human beings. The reason why our children are getting sick every now and then is because we parents have weakened their immunity. We listen to doctors and rush to them for little things. From cold to fever we are with the doctor. The moment the child is born we poke them with unwanted things. Many will not agree with me and I know lots of criticism will flow but it is a fact that cold and fever is caused because the child has been given BCG dose .This dose contains TB germ which is a live germ put in the healthy body. This germ creates a minor TB disease in the body. This is ok if there are TB germs entering in your body due to endemic diseases but as no germ enters our body, there is cold and fever formed in the body as a symptom of TB. So also along with BCG other germs of whooping cough, diphtheria and other diseases popularly known as DPT is injected. The other day two staff of health centre came to my house asking me to take tablets for filarial. If I had to take these tablets without filarial what would the effect be? These are mere chemicals which I am forced to take. Some uneducated people must have taken it in good faith only to get nausea and vomiting and what not. God has given us so many medicinal plants. Turmeric: - . It is a powerful antiseptic. Powder can be used on wounds. If you are having dry cough take milk and add turmeric powder and boil it and drink it warm. Salt: - Dr.Benedict was the house doctor for Monte de Guirim boaders. When complained of sore throat he would say “Gargle with salt water. We did not understand him at that time and had named him saltwater doctor. But today I am reminded of his medicine and often use it and It works wonders.. If your nose is blocked the simple medicine is take salt in warm water .Take it from one nostril and pass it through the mouth. Try with other nostril too. It will burn your nostril and initially you may get suffocated so care is to be taken. Garlic: - reduces pressure. The patient should take very little garlic smash it and roll it in rice and eat. Take care that garlic if eaten often causes piles. In olden days old women would tie garlic in a cloth and tie it to the scapular. That helped them to reduce pressure and prevent gas. In case of gas they would inhale that cloth with garlic. For gas take garlic smash it and pour kerosene on it and smell it strongly. Rub it on your body where you are felling the gas. For cold’_ smash ginger piece and along with tulsi leaves boil it in little water. Drink it three times a day. Your cold will disappear the third day. When your child has cold use onion therapy. Cut onion finely and add a teaspoon full of sugar and keep it in a container with a heavy weight on it overnight. Next morning give the juice (Only one teaspoon) and throw out the remaining. Please do not repeat the dose Extra juice causes diarhoea. Tusli plant;_ apart from curing your cold it drives away mosquito. Methi is good for diabetes. Eat leafy methi . Albert de souza _ Post ads for free - to sell, rent or even buy.www.yello.in http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=186
Re: [Goanet] happy that we are liberated ?
--- "J. Colaco < jc>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Get used to it. Study hard, work harder and compete > on the global > market.ONLY If you have time to waste, waste it on > Morchas, Dharnas > and Fasts. Ultimately - the money-bags will prevail. > The valiant will > be worn out and the present trend will continue. Study hard, work harder and compete on the global market. Was it easier before liberation? Just curious. > Dear Albert, > > I suggest that we accept the reality and learn to > live with it. > > Nothing comes free. There is a price for everything > and we should > always think seriously about what we ask for. We > might actually get > it. > > In the late 1950s, Goans were asked to disrupt their > way of life. They > did so and 1961 followed. Goans did not make any > arrangements to fill > the vacuum which would be left behind by the > departure of the > Portuguese. > > Then came the Military Administrator, the MGP, > Congress and the BJP > with the odd circus clown in the middle. > Communidade land got swiped, > Mundcar Act was imposed, Dabolim went, Anjadiva went > and IFFI came. > Vast amounts of agricultural land was converted from > green to concrete > - and we Goans appear shocked NOW? > > All this time - our governments, our politicians and > our patracars > told us that Our Goa was becoming Bhangaranchem > (Golden). Those who > disagreed with this distortion of the truth were > castigated & > denigrated and their views suppressed or drowned > out. > > In 2007, Goans are again asked to disrupt the way of > life and force > the Govt to step down. What do we have to fill as a > replacement? > > I say : Beware of Snake Oil merchants. > > It is too late in 2007 to try compare Goa's position > with that of > Kashmir. The Kashmiris were smart when they > negotiated Art 370 in > return for accession. As far as Goans are concerned, > there are some > bright ones who do not even know in 2007 that the > Liberation of Goa > from the Portuguese was accomplished by an Invasion > of troops from > outside Goa. Those bright sparks probably believe > that Goans took to > arms and defeated the 'four and a half' Portuguese > who were in Goa. > > Get used to it. Study hard, work harder and compete > on the global > market.ONLY If you have time to waste, waste it on > Morchas, Dharnas > and Fasts. Ultimately - the money-bags will prevail. > The valiant will > be worn out and the present trend will continue. > > The only place Goa (as we knew it ) will survive is > in our hearts and > in cyberspace. > > just my view > > jc > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] 'Divided We Fall' - GT Editorial - Nov 4, 2007 - COMMENTS
'Divided We Fall" [Regional parties are the bane of Indian politics] Editorial - GT - 4 Dec, 2007. As senior journalist and political analyst Amulya Ganguli has rightly observes, the split of political parties in India is beginning to take its toll. When regional parties began to appear in India following the first signs of the Congress decline in the 1960s, they were hailed for two reasons. One was that they reflected local aspirations, which a 'national' party t ended to overlook. And the other was that they were said to represent the subalterns or the marginalized sections that didn't have much of a say in a party like the Congress, which was dominated by the upper castes. The 122-year-old Congress has long been regarded as a national party because of its role during the independence movement. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has lately acquired this status because of its vote share and number of seats in the Lok Sabha (the lower house of the Indian parliament) - 22.1 per cent and 138 seats against the Congress's 26.6 per cent and 145 seats. However, the BJP hardly has any presence in the south and the east. The first major regional parties to make their presence felt were the Lok Dal in the Hindi heartland states of Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Rajasthan and Haryana in the north, and the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK) in Tamil Nadu in the south - both championing the cause of the backward castes. Over the years, there has been a proliferation of such parties like the Janata Dal (RJD) with their bases in Bihar, the Biju Janata Dal in Orissa and the Janata Dal-Secular in Karnataka. In Tamil Nadu, there is now the All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (AIADMK, which broke away from the DMK, and other similar organizations. Their growing presence is due to the failure of the Congress to recover its lost ground, turning it virtually into a regional party. Despite this limitation, however, the Congress still retains something of a national vision because of its long history. If the regional parties have failed to acquire such an outlook, the reason is that their focus remains solely on either their provinces or castes or ideologies despite their participation in coalitions at the national level. It is obviously because of their restricted vision that they are rarely entrusted with portfolios like external affairs or home or finance. The 'national' parties prefer to keep these with themselves because their regional allies simply do not have the ability to think on a scale that is not limited to their states or communities or doctrines. Not only that, they are also hamstrung by strong prejudices that can hamper their functioning in such crucial ministries, which have to operate on an international stage or deal with financial matters affecting the entire country or act impartially where law and order is concerned. For instance, as the praise of Tamil Nadu chief minister M Karunanidhi for a slain leader of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) has made him turn a blind eye to the LTTE's horrendous record of terrorism, which includes the assassination of Indian prime minister Rajiv Gandhi. It doesn't take much perspicacity to see that a party like DMK cannot be given charge of foreign affairs because its tunnel vision makes it blind to anything outside its immediate environs. It is also evident that being a partner of an alliance at the center hasn't enabled it to broaden its outlook in any way. COMMENTS: The Goa Su-Raj Party is happy that serious political thoughts on the desired political reformation are being aired in the esteemed editorials of our newspapers, of late. We are happy that our inputs as 'response' to the previous editorial 'WRONG REMEDY' [ GT- 27 Nov, 2007] has been published in the 'letters to the editor' - [GT- 29 Nov, 2007]. Needless to say that we thank GT for the same. It is a fact that regionalistic feelings among the peoples of India have taken precedence over the nationalistic feelings. For this, the blame has to be placed at the feet of Pundit Jawaharlal Nehru to a greater extent. It was he who dreamt of 'coloquial India' - of preserving the unique different languages and cultures of diverse Indian populace to reflect as the all encompassing linguistic and cultural 'mosaic ' of India. This, sadly, has kept the people of India totally and hopelessly divided and suspicious of each other. An example to cite is the sorry state of affairs in Goa where Goans preferring to use its mother tongue 'Konkanni', and, Marathi, which is basically the religious language of the Goan Hindus, are at logger-heads with one another for over 45 years for wanting the supremacy for their preferred language, thereby affecting the development and advancement of the state. Look at Japan, China, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia. These people do not fight over what language to speak. And see the progress that they have made. India, being the latent super-power, is divided over languages a
Re: [Goanet] Hinduism is NOt based on caste - a correction
Hi Basilio I am a scholar in fields outside caste but also politicised over many issues, especially anti-racism and anti-casteism. My academic peers over 36 years have never perceived me as emotional in argument and I therefore believe that your depiction that because of passion I cannot think like a scholar is mistaken. However, I note that you have now retracted this absurd view. On Goanet, I go outside scholarship on this issue to ACTION as also addressed by Mario. I wish you could think of ACTION too on the caste issue among so called 'Catholic' Goans. To date, it is my view that you have invariably 'shielded' or 'protected' caste among 'Catholics' in Goa rather than attacked it in any meaningful way. However, on this last point, you could of course provide me firm evidence that I may be mistaken in the above sentence. Please note that this is not a personal quarrel with you at all and I am aware that you are a fellow PhD whom I respect. On the caste issue, you particularly have a role as a priest and I am just tired of people wittingly or unwittingly allowing this caste nonsense to continue. unchallenged. Cornel basilio Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It was a wrong choise of words on my part in my previous post under the above heading. I should say: Passion for this issue (of caste) gets the most of Cornel, and he cannot think like a scholar, a schloar that he is. I am do not want and I am not accusing Cornel of being emotonal. Thank you for your understanding. Basilio Monteiro
Re: [Goanet] DEVANAGARI LOBBY PROMOTES ROMI
Mogall Miguelbab, Ixttacher itlo kiteak tiddkoloi? Digamber Kamat thoim "Digubab" mhunn yeunk na bogor Goencho Mukhel Momtri (MM) mhunn. Tuka ugddas astolo ki Ixttachem 75vem voros Utsovachem uktavonn Pratapsing Ranen (tednacho MM)kelolem mhunn Ani atam zor Dr. Willy vo Francisco Sardinha MM asle zalear te-i te kodelir bostole asle; punn MM mhunn, Katolk mhunn mat nhoi. Fattlea vorsantlo suvallo Kala Akademichea Black Boxant zalolo. Tedna-i (mhaka hoi-nhoi-so ugddas zata, ghoddie chuktam zait) Anita Salatri compere asli. Dr Bicaji Ganecar ek Konknno ani Saraswat hem khorem, punn to Ixttacho ek vachpich nhoi tor lamb kallak savn tacher borovpi. Kala Akademintlea suvallea vellar tacho-i sotkar zalolo; ani tea somoyar, sotkar keloleanchea nanvan tannench ulovop kelolem ani ek bori kovita-i mhonnun dakhoiloli. Tor aiz tum tanchea nanvan kiteak bottam moddttai? Te xivai halinch Ixttan "Hindu boroinnarank" jahir ulo marlolo, tannim aplim boroupam Ixttak dhaddunk. Fokot Katolkank ani Ixtt vachpeank (tumi "vazpi" monnttat?) tea suvalleak apovnnem asunk favo aslem, oxem tum mhonnunk sodta zalear, osle montri sodunk Ixttachea zallvonndarank petromax gheun bhonvchem poddttolem aslem. Ani toxem korunui tanche nodrek ek montri poddot astolo zalear dubhav. Zannai Miguelbab, tuji mhaka opurbay dista; kiteak Konknni bhaxe vixim tuka ji dotorn xikoilea ticher tuzo purai visvas asa ani ti tum sogleak porgottita. Punn tuka dotorn xikovpeanchem toxem na. Te porxim ani guptim ek dotorn xikoitat zalear sobhemazar ani aplea boroupamni vegllich. Porxim xikoitana te Romi lipi mhonnje Goenkar Kristanvanchich lipi; Konknneank ti lagona. Konknnichi standard boli mhollear Povitr Pustokantli Bardexi. Punn sobhemazar? Lipik ani boliek dhorm lagona, oxem sangtat. Tuka zoxi tanchi dotorn somzoli, tich tuvem hanga bindhast manddlea. Punn kedna kedna tujea-i dolleancher say yeta. He ponddit ani fuddari jem kortat tacher tujem lokx vochona. Xevttim ami monisoch mu? Chear payancho ghoddo chukta zalear don payancho monis chuklo mhunn kitem zalem, oxem mhonnttat nhoi? Ek ponddit eka Katolk Martirachea nanvan Romi lipintlea pustoka khatir Puroskar ghoddoun haddtta. Punn nimannea vellar, survatek dilole nem' guttlaun, to puroskar eka Konknneachea golleant ghalta, eka Nagri-Romi oxea don lipimni uzvaddailolea pustokak. Fuddari utthota ani Romi lipint boroitolea Goenkaram khatir ek workshop ghoddun haddtta; punn thoim resource persons konn kai mhonnlear Nagrint ani Konnodd lipint borovpi. Osle he tuka dotorn xikoitole ponddit ani fuddari! Hoi mu? On 29 Nov. "Miguel Braganza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Sottachem ani fottichem zuz kedna sompta, Lino bab? Hem chaluch urtolem! Des Xantti pasot zuztat. Fighting for peace is like having sex for virginity and building bombs for preventing war is like stocking condoms for the celibates ...but it goes on! Devangari'che veddir Konnnichi boli. Dispotto bokdddo katortanv ami. Igorjechea iskolamni xikoitanv Lamaneak, Bhonddareank ani Moirank ... Antruzi Konknni. Sorkar xikoita Moratti. Konknne xikoitat Moratti. Girest Kristanv ani Saraswat Bamonn aplea bhurgeank xikoitat Inglez. Ami Goykar ani Kristanv soglle bokdde. Ganvanttlea ghorib kristanv bhurgeank marli xenddi! Ami Kristanv ...punn Kristak volkotat kai? Amchea iskolamni atam ami Lamaneank and Bhonddareank Kristi dotorni xikoitolleam kai? Vavreaddeachea IXTTak 75 vorsam bhorli mhunn apoitat Digambar Kamat, Dr. Bikaji Ganekar, Amita Salatary ani ek Inglezin pan ditat Chandrakant Keni-k. Kortat Sitar vadan, ani aarti nach. Saraswat Bamonn IXTT vazpi lok kai? Kristanvank Kristanv disonant and IXTTak aplea vazpeancho ugddas yena. Pontti pettoilear kuddeak vatt distili kai? Suryacho prokas dissona teka pontte-chi kosli goroz? Dolleantlem ful kadpak zai! Konknni Maimche Devanagri-chi lens-si voir sai zalea. Atam Romi-chi "foren" lens galpak zai. :-) Mog asundi. Miguel On Nov 29, 2007 10:26 AM, lino dourado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hem zhuz kednam somptelem? > > Lino > > Miguel Braganza wrote: > --- > http://www.GOANET.org > --- > --- > > > > Mogall Faust-bab, > > Tumchea kodden tumi ulekh kelea ti Cyril-babachi kovita tacheach > nanvan uzvaddak ail'li asa tor tum sudov ..ani sudov tumchem nanv. > Amen. > > Cyril-babachea upkaran and Cyril baban boroilla intun ontor asa kai > nam tem Sompadpi sangonk xektolo oxem mhaka dista. ;-) > > Vontt aple, dant aple, punn tonddam? Don, dona dhonn ;-) > > Mog asundi. Konknnint fog tor soddanch asta. > > Miguel > > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:55:50 +0500 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Goanet] DEVANAGARI LOBBY PROMOTES ROMI > > Cyrilachi hanvem ulekh kelea ti kovita tor tacheach nanvan uzvaddak > ail'li mhojea kodden asa.
[Goanet] We wept when Goa was being invaded
I agree with the views expressed by all the people who have said that life was simple, easy and corruption free during the Portuguese era. But we were denied our self respect and civil liberty and were treated like inferior human beings by these colonial masters. This outweighs all the disadvantages brought by liberation. It is distressing to observe many of our Goaneters feeling that liberation of Goa by India was infect invasion. Sadly We still have supporters of Portuguese rule in Goa. How these unpatriotic people with slave mindset tend to forget the tyrannical 451 years of foreign Portuguese rule who had adopted crusade of forced conversions of Hindus to Christianity, demolished Hindu temples and, and their most bitter act of repression , the horrors inflicted by the Goa Inquisition inducted between 1560-1814. By supporting the Portuguese rule they are insulting the sacrifices made by our freedom fighters many of whom lost their lives fighting the Portuguese forces to attain freedom for Goa. The Portuguese refused to give up their colonies in-spite of repeated requests of India since they assumed that India had renounced the use of force and would not attack them. But both the Prime Minister Nehru as well as the defense minister, Krishna Menon made it clear that India would not fail to resort to force as an option, if all diplomatic efforts to make the Portuguese give up Goa fail. The struggle was two fold, from within Goa and from the Indian Government outside Goa. After a decade and a half of diplomacy and failure of the US diplomatic intervention on the Goa issue India liberated Goa on December 19, 1961 with bloodless use of force and integrated it in the Indian Union. Vinay Natekar
Re: [Goanet] doctors comment and commission (Edward)
On 04/12/2007, edward desilva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1: Antibiotics are OK but only once a year or so, nothing else is need with it. 2: Why? Doctors in UK are advised not to prescribe antibiotics too often - thats why. 3: But, doctors are on commission with the manufacturers so it is in their interest to prescribe a certain medicine or medicines. jc's comment: Dears, I submit that the above statement borders on being both dangerous and slanderous. The general advice is that Antibiotics should be used ONLY as considered necessary. This is a judgment call which oftentimes poses a problem for the doctor. Besides, there are infections which worsen rapidly. When a patient is in a controlled environment like an adequately staffed secondary/tertiary hospital, it is fairly easy to watch and wait for the blood studies, chest xrays etc to be reported upon. When a patient is sent home with medicines - what happens there is a lottery. Some patients comply with the advice while others comply as they themselves see fit. This ability (of the doctor) to make a reasonable judgment call - comes with experience and is complemented by keeping up with Recent Advances and Trends in Disease patterns and treatment modalities. Adding to this mix is that a significant number of problems are preventable. But, we as a people like to do our own thing and then expect the doctor to work miracles. There is no doubt that a number of doctors just prescribe blanket antibiotics - hoping that something will work AND fearing that they (the doctors) would be blamed if the antibiotic was not prescribed and the patient worsens. That doctor probably has no means to be is regular contact with the client. I know of at least one doctor who has his email and home telephone number available 24/7 to his clients. With patients keeping in touch responsibly, it is easier to 'wait and watch' without antibiotics at home. There might be 'doctors on commission with the manufacturers'. Edward probably knows of them. If he does, he should report them to the relevant authorities. I do not believe that it is a major player in the 'unwarranted prescription of antibiotics' scenario. Besides - I know of at least one doctor who does not accept any samples, trinkets, lunches etc from pharmaceutical companies. jc
[Goanet] In the Name of God
Hi Edward, In the Name of God (Khude ke Liye) was the Pakistan film in the Competition section at the Film Festival. It is directed by Sohaib Mansoor. It is the story of Mansoor who goes to the United States for higher education. During his study years the tragic events of 9/11 take place and somehow he is arrested... A very well made film, though it was 170 minutes one didn't feel it that long. I have no pride in telling anyone that I was delegate. I was associated with the film world for a long long time and worked in few films. I love good cinema. Way back in 1979 and 1981 I was a delegate also at IFFI in New Delhi. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami
[Goanet] Sewage and sanitation issues in Goa and India
Amidst all the talk of shit on this forum, I don't know how many people noticed this item. http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=4685&cid=26 > Two labourers meet tragic end in septic tank > BY HERALD REPORTER > > PANJIM, NOV 24 – Two labourers, who were employed to clean a > septic tank of a building in Taleigao, met a tragic death on > Friday, even as the police said they are investigating who > employed these men for the job. Police gave the names of the > deceased as Mujju Aziz Shaikh, 27 and Zamir Gounshuddin Shaikh, > 43, who, they said, died after inhaling the noxious gases > produced inside the septic tank. And today I saw this absolutely chilling story on Tehelka: http://tehelka.com/story_main36.asp?filename=Ne081207LIFE_INSIDE.asp Do read it. It is a graphic description of the lives (and deaths) of the Dalits who are condemned to keeping our rivers of sewage flowing. Also spare a glance at the photos that accompany the story. But who cares? They are Dalits, after all. And in Goa, if the above item is any indication, some of them at least are members of another despised minority (Muslims), and probably -- horror of horrors -- ghantis, those very people currently held responsible for all Goa's ills. Not only do we expect them to clean our shit, we feel no compunction in condemning them and railing against them. It costs a lot in misery and lives to keep our cities and our Goa beautiful and clean. I really think we should develop a more nuanced understanding of these issues. It is very easy to talk of beautiful Goa and how clean it is, and to demand sparkling clean environs. And it is equally easy to rail against those (Dalits, ghantis, whatever) who are condemned to the job of ensuring this. Next time we go to our sparkling clean bathrooms and sit on our beautiful commodes with the fragrance of that lovely air freshener wafting about us, let us face the fact that we are contributing our mite to the misery and death of others. Before calling others dirty, let us think about what our clean and beautiful lives cost countless others who remain invisible and whom we never think about. -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Please identify the building in the background..
Please identify the building in the background.. http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2085955633&size=l Clue: 1. It is probably on the world map, thanks to IFFIgoa 2. Most photographed item during IFFI >> If you can't then check this out.. see another view.. and clue http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2086741828&size=l Note: It is uploaded in nottyjoegoauk [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa or http://is.rediff.com/profilevisitor.php?mem_id=48419 __ Sent from Yahoo! - the World's favourite mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] BRITISH INDIANS ABORTING UNWANTED INDIAN GIRLS
www.timesofindia.com LONDON: British Indian women are as prone to the secretive, outlawed practice of female foeticide as their counterparts in the mother country and they generally travel to India to do the dastardly deed. The alarming revelation by the BBC's Asian Network radio station on Monday comes as Oxford University population experts declared they had found at least 1,500 Indian girl children "missing" from birth statistics in England and Wales in the last 17 years. The Oxford study, which looked at birth rates of different ethnic groups here, concluded that there had been an abnormal increase in the proportion of boys over girls in the Indian community from 1990. Dr Sylvie Dubuc, a human geography and population expert at Oxford, said that the most likely explanation was sex-selective abortion by Indian-born British women. This represents one in 10 girls "missing" from the birth statistics for Indian-born women having their third or fourth child. But the BBC radio investigation, which is targeted at Asian listeners, said that it is not just Indian-born British women who are resorting to the culturally-specific practice of female foeticide. Using first-hand evidence from interviews with British-born-and-bred Indian women, it said the practice appears to be quietly accepted among this strand of the 1.3-million-strong community as well. The revelation received ballast on Monday when a Punjabi local councillor from the Indian-dominant city of Leicester admitted the practice was rife among British Indians. The BBC investigation used an actor to recount the story of one of its interviewees, who used the false name 'Meena'. The British-born office-worker in her 30s described the pressures of being an Indian wife in the UK who disappointingly produced a string of three daughters only to find scorn and derision from her Punjabi family. She devastatingly said that Indian culture can still exert a huge pressure on women to have boys - to carry on the family name and because girls are expensive - and that the pressure exists on Indian women living in Britain too. "It is all up to the husband and it's usually the husband's side of the family who - you know - are putting the pressure on." Commentators said the revelation that British Indians were prone to female foeticide discounts the notion that living in the West confers "emancipation" on immigrant communities. Interestingly, the BBC's investigation, Oxford research and resulting media coverage sparked an immediate Muslim response on the internet with bloggers sending in United Nations statistics listing India having "killed 50 million + girls in the last 50 years; China killed 50 million + girls in the last 50 years; the US has killed 44 million girl and boys from 1974 till today, yet who is considered oppressive to women and children - Islam and Muslim countries." 'Meena', who travelled to Delhi last year to find out the sex of her unborn fourth child, said it was easy to find a doctor in India to conduct the scan and subsequent abortion. Describing her deep personal sadness at being forced to abort the baby, 'Meena' said "Unfortunately it was another girl. My husband and I thought the burden would probably be too much and the pressure when I got back home. So we decided to terminate". She added, "Personally it was very upsetting for me. I didn't really want my other children to know, and I don't mean it in a bad way, but my husband seemed rather blasé about it. I think I felt bad because I knew I shouldn't be doing this - for the reasons I was doing it - it wasn't nice." The BBC also sensationally revealed that it had used an undercover British Indian couple to find out just how easy or hard it is to persuade an Indian doctor to determine the sex of a foetus and terminate the pregnancy. It said its undercover couple went to one of Delhi's leading gynaecologists, Dr Mangala Telang, who is actually recommended by the British High Commission and has publicly campaigned against the "evil" crime of female foeticide. The BBC said that its secret filming showing Telang agreeing to perform the ultrasound scan, warning the couple not to tell anyone about what they were doing as it is illegal and agreeing to recommend a doctor to carry out an abortion if the foetus were a girl. The doctor has refused to admit she did anything wrong though the BBC insists its film shows this to be the case.
[Goanet] Suitable Family Accomodation in Orlando, Fkorida
My brother Clifton will be moving to Orlando. Florida from Dothon, Alabama. He has his wife Christine and two kids Liane age 8 and Ryan aged 6 years with him. Which is a safe and suitable place to stay ? I think the UCF area in NE Orlando may be a safe bet because there are a number of apartments and town-houses available to rent and the schools are oretty good in that area. Also they will not be too far from Indian Harbour Beach on the East Coast of Central Fkorida where we live along with another sister. Do you have any recommended locations where there are a large group of Goans living ? Best Regards, Dr Carmo D'Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Luis Galvao another kuddho mus! Goa invaded
<> If Goa was a "sovereign country" what were the Portuguese doing here? RKN
Re: [Goanet] [TGF] RE: [Gulf Goans] Goan Bride
Excellent, thank you for your information. > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > goanet@lists.goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:35:19 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TGF] RE: [Gulf Goans] Goan Bride > > > In a message dated 12/4/2007 1:15:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > the guy said he was looking for a bride, didnt he? > A bride according to the freedictionary.com is 'Noun 1.bride - a woman who > has recently been married' > > all i asked was are you looking for a bride? or a single lady.. > > besides, i was just taking the piss.. > > take it easy my friend > > g. > > Dear Gilroy, > My dictionaries define "bride" as "a woman just married or about to be > married." Thus, a bride remains a single lady until she says "I do", or the > ceremony is completed some other way. > Regards, > Victor > > **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages > Is it not the public's right to have unbiased, accurate, balanced and > comprehensive information, and the journalist's duty to make adequate > enquiries and cross check his/her facts? TGF responds to Fred Noronha's > attempt to sanitise journalistic sloppiness. Also on The Goan Forum website > at http://www.colaco.net - TGF: PUBLIC SINS, PRIVATE LUCRE, GOA DAMNED by > Valmiki Faleiro and reaction by Dr. Francisco Colaco. > > COMING SOON: Bondollam 2 : Why did a supposedly senior Goa journalist write > this curious article full of bondollam and strikingly devoid of ostensible > research. > > BEN ANTAO'S Penance - A un-put-down-able until the very end Book: Reviews by > Annabelle Colaco, Silviano Barbosa: & Lino Leitao. > > Please visit GOA WORLD at http://www.goa-world.com > > [http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/logo/ma_grp_160.gif] > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to > Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Groups > > Get info and support > > on Samsung HDTVs > > and devices. > > Best of Y! Groups > > Check out the best > > of what Yahoo! > > Groups has to offer. > > Parenting Groups > > on Yahoo! Groups > > Single Parenting > > to managing twins. > > . > > __,_._,___ _ New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&referral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders
Re: [Goanet] We wept when Goa was being invaded:
Dear Paulo, A quick response. I do understand your grouse perfectly as, I'm sure, you understand my stand. You're not peeved at India liberating/invading Goa but at not maintaining the status quo in social structures -- i.e. providing preferential treatment to the existing elites, or at least a provision to retain Goa's distinct identity by barring other Indians from owning property there, as it was done in Kashmir. But, as we know, the situation in Goa was vastly different from Kashmir, a predominantly Muslim state ruled by a Hindu, with Pakistan staking a claim on it. Goa was more like Pondicherry than Kashmir. It's time we put this discordant semantics behind us and looked forward to the future. Regards, RKN <
[Goanet] Moderators responsibilities
Hi Mervyn, Bandhare does not understand your question, he only understands that YOU should read carefully what he has written, HE on his part does not want to know what you asked. Bandhare only concentrates on the Catholic publications (confessions) on their paedophilia. You can ask him any question on Catholic paedophilia. ED. Mervyn Lobo to Bandhare: I asked you one simple question a long time ago, namely, what is your understanding of the "Orange Marches?" You have refused to answer that question. You now bombard me with five questions in a single post! You must have learnt from the Sunday church services you attend that one reaps what one sows... - Sent from Yahoo! - the World's favourite mail.
[Goanet] Can doctors on this forum comment?
Hi D Louise, I know of one old doctor in Panjim who is losing his mind due to old age. What he does is prescribe 10 medicines with the hope that one of them will work. In Goa people do not question doctors, in fact they carry their bags and fuss over them. That is why, you questioning her came as a shock to her - HOW DARE YOU! Antibiotics are OK but only once a year or so, nothing else is need with it. Why? Doctors in UK are advised not to prescribe antibiotics too often - thats why. But, doctors are on commission with the manufacturers so it is in their interest to prescribe a certain medicine or medicines. ED. = Hi Selma,I had a similar experience in Goa when my little daughter was ill and the doctor was very annoyed when I proceeded to ask her what the different medicines prescribed were. I explained to her, that my daughter had not had antibiotics yet for a cold and was scolded that antibiotics are good and must be given at every opportunity (bit of exaggeration) ;-DLouise- - Sent from Yahoo! - the World's favourite mail.
Re: [Goanet] One-third of developed population ignorant of HIV/AIDS
On 03/12/2007, JOHN MONTEIRO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Gabe > > Thanks for the reminder, I did read it somewhere but as you say, it was > probably not on Goanet. I have not subscribed to another forum so its > possible to came to my inbox via a different method. Dont know how though. > I have looked through the archives just now, taking over an hour trying to > find it. ... > I see you are in London, Gabe, which borough? We used to live in NOTTING > HILL (1989-1995), then we moved to HOUSLOW WEST (1995-2000) before moving to > Berkshire (not Slough!) in 2000 where we are still. > > Regards > John Monteiro > 03.12.07.16.47hrs (UK) RESPONSE: I live in the Borough of Merton, South West London. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] Xavier's News and Features, E-Service (XNFES): ARENA 07 from Dec. '05
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ST. XAVIER'S COLLEGE - MAPUSA - GOA - INDIA - 403507 (TEL: 0832-2262356 WEBSITE: www.xavierscollege-goa.com)
XAVIER'S NEWS & FEATURES E-SERVICE (XNFES) ARENA 07 from Dec. '05 The eagerly awaited two day Fest organized by the Department of Commerce Arena 2007-2008 is finally happening at St Xavier's college. It will be inaugurated at 10:00 am by Chief Guest Dr Mohan Sangodkar.Registrar, Goa University. ARENA 2007-2008 too, has as its central theme," What you do is what defines you". The main purpose of the fest is to inculcate in the students of commerce a spirit of teamwork, enthusiasm and competition in order to prepare them to face the dynamic corporate environment. Ten Colleges from Goa and other parts of India will participate in this Fest. There will be nine creative events on the 5th and 6th of December. The valedictory session will be held on the 6th of December at 4:30 pm. Mr. Haresh Melwani, proprietor of H.L.Nathurmal will be the Chief Guest for this session. Mr. Deelip Salgaoncar, Managing Director of Geno Pharmaceuticals is the main sponsor of Arena 2007-2008. An event such as this will go a long way in boosting the zeal and enthusiasm of the students. It is expected to promote the development of interactive relationships and a spirit of teamwork amongst themselves, and an atmosphere of clean and healthy competition amongst the participants.
[Goanet] In the name of God, please tell me ANA.
Hi Ana, The below mail looks like it is a private mail for Michael and your pride to tell us that you are a delegate - what is the name of the film in the name of God? etc. ED. Dear Michael, Read your post in the Goanet. Yes, I did see the first screening of the above film. It was screened thrice. Wonderful film, v ery powerful and I wonder whether it will be released in India and the US. I recommended it to many of my friends who were delegates and they all liked it very much.Ana Maria de souza-Goswami - Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! for Good
[Goanet] Moderators responsibilities
Hi, SURE, we are all Psychologists on Goanet, except one chap who said you never mentioned that you are a RSS supporter and your every article has an RSS ideology intermingled with your post with an ever present mention of Catholic paedophiles for good measure. Mario for example does not even comprehend your comprehension, and keeps forgetting your previous connotations. ED === Dear Mervyn: I am still unable to comprehend how you can say with any amount of certainity that No ONE understands me on Goanet. I think you are getting confused between understanding what I write and agreeing with what I write. I am sure many people do not agree with what i post but I am sure they understand what i write. - Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! for Good
He can kill for a �Sorpotel� and loves �Feni�
There is No Better Venue than Goa for the IFFI by Christina Viegas navhindtimes.com In a Âone-to-one with Christina Viegas. Kabir Bedi, IndiaÂs popular International actor, says that he can kill for a ÂSorpotel and loves drinking ÂFeni Striding towards me with the magnetic royalty of the majestic lion itself, actor Kabir Bedi is Âall smiles when asked about his relationship with Goa. In regal style, he states, ÂI have been coming to Goa for the last 30 years. Even when I was abroad, I made it a point to come down to this beautiful place. I was even present when Goa hosted the International Film Festival of India, for the first time. So, what draws him to this Âmaravilloso paradisoÂ? Bedi replies, ÂEverything about this state is beautiful  its people, the atmosphere. I love drinking the ÂfeniÂ, while, I can kill for a ÂsorpotelÂ. I mean there is such a wide range of Goan delicacies to satiate the taste buds  your ÂvindaloosÂ, ÂxacutisÂ, ÂcafraelsÂ, everything. Quickly, he raises his voice, ÂI plead with the legislators to pass legislations that will necessitate that the builders who buy land have to build houses in true traditional Goan style. This has to be strictly followed otherwise they will ruin the landscape of this beautiful place. What is the starÂs take on Goa being announced as the permanent venue for the IFFI? The lion roars, ÂI feel there is no better venue to host this festival. The festival has definitely grown. This year 176 films from 46 countries were screened, 117 were foreign films and 49 were Indian. The organisers deserve to be praised, everything was very well organised and this can go on to become one of the most important festivals in the world. But, this calls for a long term vision, and for the involvement of huge corporate funding. While most felt that this year the IFFI was more cinema oriented devoid of carnival activities, the actor opines that these activities should not be done away with entirely. He explains, ÂThe festival is about films, but it is also about showcasing the Indian culture, whether it is the floats from Goa, or the ÂBhangra from Punjab. Full of life, Bedi is extremely excited about the closing ceremony of the festival where he plays host. He says, ÂIt is definitely not going to be a song and dance kind of ceremony, but more focused on the awards. And, it is so appropriate to have the Spanish film ÂFados as the closing film. With Lisbon as the iconic backdrop, it involves music and the culture of the Portuguese which ties it to Goa and is very much in sync with Goa. Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] The Konkani film 'BLACK' as I saw it - by Gaspar Almeida, Associate, www.goa-world.com
The Konkani film 'BLACK' as I saw it - by Gaspar Almeida, Associate, www.goa-world.com "BLACK Nhesop Atanchem Fashion" is a witty and humorous story between a middle aged Goan couple and their two sons who have just began their careers and marital lives far away from home. Director T-Bush uses wit and humour and gives the entire film a twist here and a twist there, keeping the suspense of what's to come next. The twirl in the story comes in the form of two sons based in Kuwait and the ploy they adopt to drive a wedge between themselves, the sons with their spouses and the parents back in Goa - the reason being not appreciating and being ashamed of the traditional family 'profession'. The screenplay relies heavily on appealing dialogues and various 'comedy' relationships in the film to put forth the basic story, complete with appropriate song sequences. The approach that the Director uses is different, interesting and entertaining. It is an all and all out comedy. The film "BLACK" has been directed by the award winning filmmaker, T-BUSH, and the star cast comprises (listed in alphabetical order) of: Abby Periera, Agnello A.S. Fernandes, Albino Lawrence, Babit Dourado, Braz de Parra, Cajetan de Sanvordem, Carl Rodrigues, Clara Rodrigues, Conchita Cardoz, Carmo Santos, Diana Rodrigues, Dominic Araujo, Francis de Verna, Francis Menezes, Gaspar Almeida, Gracy Morais, Helen Pinto, Ignatius de Xelvon, Irene Vaz, Jeremiah Vaz, Joe Fereira, Joseph Rodrigues, Julio Cardozo, Kevin Vaz, Katty de Navelim, Laurent Periera, Laurie Miranda, Luis DCosta, Manuel de Santa Cruz, Mabel, Marina DSouza, Mario de Majorda, Nasser, Neeta Fernandes, Nelson Colaco, Nicholas Rodrigues, Nitin Castelino, Olinda Dias, Philip Periera, Philomena, Qeurobina Carvalho, Riana Azavedo, Roullond Fernandes, Rowla Lewis, Salu Faleiro, Sandra Fernandes, Sharon Fernandes, Simon Dias, Simon Gonsalves, Cisco, Late Sunny de Quepem, Sylvester Vaz, Vicky Vaz, and Zoro. The film belongs to the comedy genre and is set in Goa and Kuwait. The music composed by Norman Cardoz, Goa's finest talented musician, and lyrics by Braz de Parra. BLACK has an interesting script, entertaining screenplay and T-BUSH's execution and portrayal of the different characters and his choice of the cast is really commendable and had deligently carried the film on his shoulders with adequate flair. T-BUSH has chosen an interesting setting and has made use of wit and humour immensely well which enlivens and enriches the film to a great extent. Its the first Indian film to be shoot in Kuwait. The director has etched out the real life angle too within the story with a unique flair lending it immense dignity and maturity. The continuity sequences are a treat to the eyes. T-BUSH has managed to give the majority of the first timers who have faced the camera the same edge that the other characters of professional stage actors would have. The film entertains its audiences to an extent with its sharp and witty dialogues. The climax is acceptable and the cinematography too is eye pleasing, with English subtitles. Music is soft and charming which matches the theme of "BLACK" and performances are good, enhancing the film in a great way. At the commencement, the organizers at Friday's (30th Nov.) show had a small introductory ceremony compered by Gaspar Crasto during which Cajetan Pereira and Querobina Carvalho - were introduced to the audience. The guests of honour Rev. Fr. Lionel Braganza, Principal of Don Bosco School (IEAS)-Kuwait and TV, stage, Durdarshan and Zee TV personality Arif Kazi paid glowing tributes to T-BUSH. A one minute silence was observed in fond rememberance of late Sanny Vaz (de Quepem). His presence in the 'BLACK' film will forever keep his memory alive as in his audio albums. A commemorative souvenir was released to mark the occasion. 'BLACK' was premiered in Kuwait on 10th August 2007 in the presence of H.E. The Ambassador of India M.Ganapati in a glittering ceremony, and Friday's was the third screening in Kuwait. According to well-placed sources, plans are to have it screened in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, U.A.E., Canada, U.K. and U.S.A. and in India (Goa, Mumbai, Pune, Mangalore, Delhi, Ahmedabad and Bangalore) in the first quarter of 2008. "BLACK" being a film which may be watched after a long interval - as Konkani films are a rarity - I am positive that the technique and the technologically advanced systems incorporated in filming and production as well as sound effects in 'BLACK' with the e-cinema concept will have T-BUSH kept on the pedestal of being the first for this achievement. As T-BUSH at the commencement of the screening emphasized in a two line statement, "As I have mentioned at the premiere show, you have to view 'BLACK' with your heart. I hope you will do so this time". Indeed it had to be, and knowing the talented resourceful T-BUSH - a man of few word
[Goanet] Luis Galvao another kuddho mus! Goa invaded
If one is pro Goan the bharatis dub us as Salazar or Lusophilies. We go by the UN documents. Goa was sovereign country before 61. Even bharat had political and economic relations with us. Can a portuguese not have an other opinion? Albeit wrong in this case. But is Goa really liberated? In Goa the term 'liberation' is mainly used in relation to the end of bamon domination. The Middle East being the great leveller of this apartheid. Do Goans of all denominations from Sudrekas to bramnecas, from Konknes to Kristaos not seek Portuguese citzenship (Thanks to the late J.A Noronha for this definition)? Galvao is another opportunist like Remo making forays in to the Bolliwood market with incorrect information. BC - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, 3 December, 2007 8:56:41 AM Subject: Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1128 Send Goanet mailing list submissions to goanet@lists.goanet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Goanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. One simple step to stay away from AIDS (Miguel Braganza) 2. Exhibition: Bhaskar Hande (Goanet A&E) 3. SEZ and more (John Gomes) 4. The highly studious and highly accessible Digu Kaka. (Miguel Braganza) 5. Re: To be born moral/to Santosh (Carvalho) 6. Re: We wept when Goa was being invaded (Radhakrishnan Nair) 7. Re: We wept when Goa was being invaded: Portuguesefilmmaker (C Fernandes) 8. OSD to Guv clarifies further -- insurgents strike 24 Nov2007 (godfrey gonsalves) 9. Goa news for December 3, 2007 (Goanet News Service) 10. (no subject) (REAGAN Q8) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:19:32 +0530 From: "Miguel Braganza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] One simple step to stay away from AIDS To: "GoaNet fred" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:29:24 + (GMT) From: JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] One simple step to stay away from AIDS Just one simple step to stay away from sex related AIDS Are you Married? If no.. Always carry good quality condom with you and when need arises, make use of it without fail. If yes.. Just stay loyal to your wife (or husband). . Dear Joe, That is simplistic, rather than simple. An infected razor blade at the barber's shop, and infected syringe in a hospital or "acid party", or a life saving blood transfusion without ELIZA testing can give one a High Five with HIV leading to AIDS. The world is no longer so simple as it used to be! The terms UNMARRIED and SINGLE were SYNonyms once upon a time. Then came the realization that there are French sounding HOMOnymphs known as "Les Bians"...Same on them! SIN is now considered as some out-of-date anti-virus package. Interestingly, the amphidextrous human "amphibians" are known as trans-sexuals [not Trans Bians] while those who expect their partners to be "Man enough" like them are known as Homosexuals. The term "UnMarried" also includes divorcees, separated couples, live-in partners and the divinely blessed de novo Singles with "annulled" marriages, made and broken in the name of heaven by its Ambassadors on Earth. It is like Shaadi.com merged with Moster.com and offered to subscribers at a fee. Annulment is the legal tender in Philippines and I have worked with a Filipina mother of a boy who was shocked to find that his mother is SINGLE de novo . but he is her legitimate child from a legitimate marriage!! It is like a "corrupted" file in the computer or a "no ball" in cricket. It is there ... and NOT there at the same time. And who has approved YOUR duplicity of loyalty standards? Freedom of sex for the unmarrieds and "loyalty" for the currently married. Such double standards will encourage people to get UNmarried or to remain Single when not using condoms, as recommended by you. Will the loyalty be compensated with loyalty coupons to be encashed in the "herein after" ?? Mog asundi. Miguel -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:19:28 -0500 From: "Goanet A&E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Exhibition: Bhaskar Hande To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flo
Re: [Goanet] [TGF] RE: [Gulf Goans] Goan Bride
In a message dated 12/4/2007 1:15:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the guy said he was looking for a bride, didnt he? A bride according to the freedictionary.com is 'Noun 1.bride - a woman who has recently been married' all i asked was are you looking for a bride? or a single lady.. besides, i was just taking the piss.. take it easy my friend g. Dear Gilroy, My dictionaries define "bride" as "a woman just married or about to be married." Thus, a bride remains a single lady until she says "I do", or the ceremony is completed some other way. Regards, Victor **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
[Goanet] Was sati_Now Johar_Chittorgad
John, I think your child should also know about johar; resorted to by women and to a degree expected of them by custom, during warfare when all was lost and the men went out to fight to their certain deaths. In this act one sees shades of a counterpoint to sati. The following reference from History net tells of the batle of Chittor/Chitor (gad -- fort/fortess) in 1567, 290 years before the Sepoy Mutiny. (This article by Jeffrey Say Seck Leong and originally appeared in the February 1999 issue of Military History magazine.) There are other instances and one is illustrated in an Amar Chitra Katha comic book on Queen Padmini. In her case she committed johar along with other women to not fall into the hands of Allaudin Khilji. http://www.historynet.com/magazines/military_history/3696021.html venantius > From: JOHN MONTEIRO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Sati tradition or greed ... be better I will be somewhat 'an authority' on the subject by the time I have gone through all the links, printed them and read them over again. > Venantius Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > Dear John, > There is a lot of analysis in your post, and you are thinking out > aloud here > http://www.endabuse.org/programs/display.php3?DocID=102 > > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1987/12/1987-12-04.shtml > > http://www.wcd.nic.in/commissionofsatiprevention.htm > > http://www.countercurrents.org/gen-shukla190304.htm > > > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1987/12/1987-12-04.shtml > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roop_Kanwar > > To conclude, I do feel that that issues such as these when presented > with evidence (depending on the thrust of the thoughts) give credence > to our public outragevenantius j pinto
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Karaoke & lyrics for Doxim korum Nezo
Nells, So far there has been NO release of Konkani Karaoke...whoever does it will be have the honour being the First one to do it.Could you pls let me know the name of the singer of Doxim Korum Nezo? Dev borem Korum Eddie - Original Message - From: "Nelly Pereira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: [Goanet] Konkani Karaoke & lyrics for Doxim korum Nezo Dear All, Can somebody please let me know if any Konkani Karaoke DVDs/chips are available in the market especially the olden golden songs? If so, where can I purchase these from? Secondly, can anybody post the lyrics of the popular song Doxim Korum Nezo? I would highly appreciate your help on the above. Thanks, Nells. ___ __ Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential,proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Motivate Publishing and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. Thank You. Motivate Publishing __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
[Goanet] Commonwealth first round
Goa's WFM Bhakti Kulkarni (ELO 2112) defeated unrated P Sai Dugra Rahul in the first round of the Commonwealth Chess Championships which got underway at Khelgaon, Siri Fort, New Delhi. However, the two other players from Goa - Anurag Mhamal (ELO 2092) and Harikrishnan Mohanan (ELO 1730) - both lost their opening round games to unrated Samuel Walker and WIM Anjela Khegay (ELO 2218) of Singapore respectively. Earlier, Hon'ble Minister for Youth Affairs Sports and Panchayatiraj, Shri. Manishankar Aiyar declared the Commonwealth Chess Championship open. More than 280 players from 12 countries reported at the venue for participation in the tournament. For the first time, the Commonwealth Chess Championship is a Norm tournament. Unlike last year, when Norms were difficult for want of adequate number of foreign players, this year youngsters can look forward to making some difference to their chess career by scoring the adequate points from the 10 round tournament. In an emotional speech, the Sports Minister wondered how he could broadbase the access to sports to Indian Citizens when the funds that are allocated during the 10 years plan are being diverted to other areas for just 10 days expenditure! He nevertheless congratulated the budding young chess players including the recent medallists at the World Youth Chess Championships at Antalya, Turkey for having brought laurels to the nation in the face of such tough competition! Shri.D.V.Sundar, Secretary All India Chess Federation, thanked the Government and the Minister in particular for the unstinted support extended to the chess fraternity. Shri. Bharat Singh Chauhan welcomed the gathering. Delhi Minister Shri. Arvinder Singh Lovely also graced the occasion. SOURCE: Sameer Salgaocar - President - GSCA
Re: [Goanet] Can doctors on forum comment on cough syrups?
Hi Selma, I had a similar experience in Goa when my little daughter was ill and the doctor was very annoyed when I proceeded to ask her what the different medicines prescribed were. I explained to her, that my daughter had not had antibiotics yet for a cold and was scolded that antibiotics are good and must be given at every opportunity (bit of exaggeration) ;-D Louise
[Goanet] 5,000-hectare cap on SEZs to be relaxed
5,000-hectare cap on SEZs to be relaxed NEW DELHI: The review of the government's policy on special economic zones, which has seen nationwide protests over land acquisition, seems to have come full circle. On Monday, Commerce Secretary Gopal Pillai said the government intended to lift the 5,000 hectare land ceiling imposed by an empowered group of ministers in April. The move is expected to benefit SEZs being set up by Mukesh Ambani (in Haryana and near Mumbai), DLF, Omaxe and Kandla Port Trust. "Now that the new Relief & Rehabilitation policy has come into being, the government may think of relaxing the upper limit of 5,000 hectares for SEZs," Pillai told reporters. The rules would be liberalised once the new land acquisition law is enacted. "We will take a view on this and have a fresh look (after the bill is passed) on a case-by-case basis," he said. The statement of intent is the latest in a series of rollbacks of safeguards that were put in place after the UPA government had imposed a freeze on new SEZ proposals in January following the violence in Nandigram. Since the freeze in January, pending a review of the policy governing the designated areas, the Commerce Ministry has managed to have its way on most of the issues that had been raised. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/5000-hectare_cap_on_SEZs_to_go/articleshow/2593303.cms
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (4DEC07)
Dec 3 - International Day of Disabled Persons A movie we'd like to See at IFFI 2008: "How Govt.07 Disabled goa" Starring: CM Diggu - D. Narvekar - V. Rane - Babush M - Dhavlikar - Etc To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] Quebec Goan Association/Association Goanaise du Quebec, Feast of St. Francis Xavier (Correction)
Goanaise du Quebec/Quebec Goan Association celebrated the feast of St Francis Xavier on Dec 1st at St.Suzanne's Church in Montreal. This year's feast was sponsored by the families of Frank Martin, Robert Correa, Don Drego and Marvin Pereira. The evening began with a celebration of a mass followed by a well-attended gathering at the church hall with food, dancing entertained by a live band and the singing of O Canada in Concani. The event was put together by an active Organising Committee and group of volunteers lead by QGA President Rose De Souza. The pictures of the evening and other QGA events are posted on flickr, http://www.flickr.com/photos/qga The Association Goanaise du Quebec/Quebec Goan Association can be contacted at the following e-mail address: qgamontrealyahoo.ca.
Re: [Goanet] Goa Sudharop financial information
Private email below, name withheld. However, good idea on supporting Goan writers. George Dear George: Thank you for the email. That's a wonderful achievement for Goa Sudharop over seven years! The range of support extended gives one the idea of what can be done for human development when there is a will. One area that could use some incentive for development is the arts - literacy - reading and writing among Goans. I feel Goans need to be encouraged to read Goans books and literature. I know you've put out encouraging posts on the Goanet on this in the past, but maybe something concrete can be done by Sudharop in terms of buying books by Goan writers and offering them as prizes for writing contests or as gifts on birthdays and special celebrations. Congratulations to Goa Sudharop.
Re: [Goanet] One simple step to stay away from AIDS
"J. Colaco wrote: > I'd also suggest that Goa needs to look at another preventable avenue > of contracting HIV i.e. Transfusion with Contaminated Blood. > Naegele E, Hemed Y, et al (1990) reported at the International > Conference on AIDS that in Tanzania transmission of HIV-1 occurs in 1% > of the blood transfusions despite the use of HIVCHECK [1] Those were the good old days, Doc. Today they are detecting HIV in 25% of pregnant women in Tanzania. They are also identifying HIV in 35% of the population that is of reproduction age. Think about it, if you are sitting in a bar in Tanzania with two buddies, one in the group is almost guaranteed to be HIV positive. My blood type is O positive. You know that O positive blood can be accepted by a lot of people. I used to get hauled out of bed at 4.00 am by people crying that their wife was in labour, losing blood and desperately needed a transfusion. One day, the nurse on duty informed me that I was donating too often and that I would need to take an AIDS test before I could donate again. I stopped donating after that day. Here is what one Tanzanian had to write about AIDS before he died of it. "Too late, my time has come, Sends shivers down my spine, body's aching all the time. Goodbye, ev'rybody, I've got to go, Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth. Mama, ooh, I don't want to die, I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all." For those interested, here he is performing the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veTm1sZz2eo In E. Africa AIDS spread via the commercial channels. Truck drivers took it from their routes to their homes. I read some where that AIDS was following the same pattern in India. Mervyn3.0 Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account. http://www.flickr.com/gift/
[Goanet] IFFI - An Unsustainable Cultural Experiment for Goa
Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC) Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- IFFI, An Unsustainable Cultural Experiment -- by Nandkumar Kamat Five years back I had welcomed the proposal by the then central minister for information and broadcasting Mrs. Sushma Swaraj to hold IFFI in Goa. At that time there were a very few takers for such an expensive extravaganza. I had prevailed upon Mr. Parrikar to accept the proposal and create conditions to develop a thriving local cultural industry. Mr. Parrikar accepted the challenge as a cultural experiment. He faced stiff opposition and many hurdles. He made many mistakes like hiring a Candadian agency which could not do much. But he worked tirelessly, day and night to give a radical facelift to Mandovi's waterfront. The promised central assistance for IFFI in Goa did not materialize. Over 80 crores were spent for the first IIFI In Goa. There were controversies over this vast expenditure but the government which finds it difficult to spare funds for genuine projects continued to spend lavishly on subsequent festivals. Today financially, the entire organization of IFFI has become unsustainable. There is no value for the money spent. Initially the government had declared that the expenditure would be less than the previous years' Rs 15 crores. But when the curtains would come down on the IFFI and the last bills are paid this year's total expenses including capital costs would cross Rs 25 crores. Four years of cultural experimentation has cost more than Rs 150 crores. This has benefited only a specific section of politically well connected interests. IFFI has not added any particular brand value to Goa's image because leave aside the international media, there is hardly any notice of this important cultural event in national media. I have been critically monitoring the response of the national and international media to IFFI in Goa since 2004. People already know and recognize Goa as internationally famous tourist destination. Major actors from foreign film industry prefer to quietly visit Goa. Goa government is subsidizing the IFFI so much that the economic turnover from the tourists is much less in comparison. IFFI has added another serious dimension to the quality and efficiency of government administration. The government machinery starts giving excuses from October that it is busy with IFFI. The very purpose of postponing the discussion on budget from March to July session was to accelerate the developmental work stagnated during the monsoon. But for the past four years there is absolutely the opposite picture-right from the chief minister to the chief secretary –the top people get in the glamorous mood of IFFI and the common man suffers. A few days ago I heard the woes of the traditional salt producers from Agarwado, a ward located on the northern bank of the scenic Colvale river in the village panchyat of Chopadem in Pernem Taluka. There are fifty families whose only means of livelihood is the production of salt with natural iodine, minerals and Vitamin E precursors. They derive their clan name-'Bagli' from the fish loving birds visiting the salt pans as these are annually drained out. The state government has never come to their aid technically or financially but to rub salt in their wounds took decisions to kill this environmentally sustainable industry by promoting imported iodized salt. The government officers feel that the local salt industry need to die a natural death. For past 20 years the Agarwado salt farmers have been approaching the local print media and the government for justice. They have a simple demand-permanent repair of the external embankment –called Agarpoim bundh which runs for two kilometers and has developed large breaches. These breaches have flooded nine out of 12 salt pans of the Bagli families. Now all that they have are just three salt pans. The repair of the 'Agarpoim' bundh would provide more income and employment to the local people. It is sound and strategic, productive investment with assured social and economic returns. The studies which I had conducted in Merces had showed me that over the production period of 120 days a hectare of salt pan gives an income of more than a lakh Rs. An industry entering Goa needs to invest Rs. One crore to create a single job. Comparatively local salt production is much more economical, non polluting and sustainable. The cumulative losses of income and employment from Agarwado work out to be Rs. Five crores. The rep
Re: [Goanet] happy that we are liberated ?----
Our dear Alberto, Looks like you are, unabashedly, playing up to our B.C. Are you, perchance, planning a trip to Macau? If so, another brace of such posts and, hopefully, you will be mui bem agazalhado. Bon voyage! Alfred de T.> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 03:14:33 +> Subject: [Goanet] happy that we are liberated ?> > > Dear Friends> Are we really liberated? Is Goa progressing? I think we are going in backward directions. Our outdated educational sytem, our poor roads, flickering electricity, slow or no law enforcement, rich becoming richer, poor becoming poorer, middle class on verge of extinct, youth have to leave the state for better jobs, laws for the poor only. Exploitation of the poor.Govt servants having own business- govt employees building rich bunglows which normally they cannot afford- etc etc the list is endless> If there was happiness then why the hell are we on the roads shouting slogans? Our fields and forests will be in future only in the dictionaries. > The portuguese curtailed our freedom to some extent but we were like kings. We had fresh fish, fresh vegetables. The rain came in time and went in time. we could leave our doors open and go to America or australia. we could leave our daughters and wives with the neighbours safely. Today your own wife, your own daughter stabs you. Today your own brothers stabs you. Your children are not safe. You can't walk freely on the road. Today if you have power you can build a house in the middle of the road. While some hotels have closed the entrance to the beach we are watching with our toes in our mouth.Big investment companies like Lloyd Finnance, Alpic finnance (sister concern of mighty cipla) Manipal finnance came to Goa and robbed Goans and our government could do nothing. They opened mighty offices in the capital city of Goa and ran away with our money and the govt did nothing. They did not even arrest the culprits. Are we happy that we are liberated ? I have heard that the utorda beach has been encroached by Pepsi and the security does not allow you to enter even. > albert _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx
Re: [Goanet] Moderators responsibilities
Bhandare wrote: > I am still unable to comprehend how you can say with > any amount of certainity that No ONE understands me on > Goanet. b, Looks like this is one of life's greater mysteries for you. Unfortunately, I can only try so much to help. After a certain point, you are on your own. > I submit that even you understand what i write, if > not, why would you respond to my posts? I respond to your posts because one day I am going to nominate you for the position of moderator here. I am sure that you are a fair and balanced person(s). > Finally are you suggesting that I am using multiple > adresses here and communicating with myself? what > makes you think so? do you have any evidence of such > behaviour? I asked you one simple question a long time ago, namely, what is your understanding of the "Orange Marches?" You have refused to answer that question. You now bombard me with five questions in a single post! You must have learnt from the Sunday church services you attend that one reaps what one sows... > BTW mario goveia posted a message in response to > edward silvas posting. Edward silva has by his own > admission has perfectly understood what i write and > what my agenda is..so at least two other individuals > have understood what i write. Now do you mean to say > that mario Edward and myself are the same person? That is an interesting proposition. Mervyn3.0 A man's only as old as the woman he feels. - Marx - Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet] To be born moral/to Santosh
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:31:24 -0800 (PST) From: Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I've always had a feeling that children are only minimally influenced by their parents, much as we'd like to think so. I think parents can influence the environment but definitely not the child. > Mario responds: > Taking your last comment first, I fully agree that reducing your carbon footprint will have no influence on your child:-)) > However, based on my actual experience, I cannot disagree more with the rest of your comment. Also, experience with friends who grew up in grossly disfunctional families. Some ended up as messed up as their parents, others emerged determined to not be disfunctional like their parents. > Besides, how do you separate the influence you have in creating the environment in which the child grows and learns, from what the child learns? Isn't one directly related to the other? > In my opinion the parents have the most influence on the child during their so-called formative years, followed by their teachers, then their friends. > I read Santosh's comments as a nuanced opinion of how these influences may shift over time while all play a part. Genetics is involved in virtually everything, but, where behavior is concerned, can be overcome by other influences. > Finally, I don't think there are any guarantees in this child rearing business. >
