[Goanet] Endangered Languages
This is in response to "Endangered Languages" by Tomazinho Cardozo. (Mess #5, GD #293, Mar. 22) At the outset I must thank Tomazinho for having posted this article on the internet thus providing an opportunity for refutation which the newspapers where his prevaricating columns (including the present article) appear do not generally afford. I also request him to continue posting in this manner. As has been proved time and again, Tomazinho has few peers in the art of twisting facts and drawing illogical inferences therefrom. The present article also exemplifies this. For Tomazinho the Devanagari script has become a bugbear; think of any ill (real or imaginary) that besets this State or country, he immediately jumps to the conclusion that this demon is the culprit! It does not matter to him that although the OLA confers the official status on Devanagari script for the Konkani language, the Act itself has not at all been implemented to date, for over 20 years; and he himself is no less responsible for this. What does matter to him is that it pays, and has paid him handsomely, to flog that script. The article is about Endangered Languages, and about the dreaded prospect of Konkani entering that list. Any sane person knows, and can judge from the statements in the article itself, that an endangered language is a language which is at risk of falling out of use owing to few surviving SPEAKERS, and becomes extinct when it loses its last speaker. Most endangered languages are only spoken; many have rich oral cultures with stories, songs etc. passed on to younger generations, but they have no written forms. How many of the languages he has mentioned (192 in highly literate USA alone!) have a single word written in them? Yet they survived for thousands of years. Thousands of languages in the world have become extinct in history; but not a single one of them suffered this calamity because it was written in a particular script. In fact, at least some languages could be rescued from the brink of extinction only because they also happened to be written, and at least one of them has been restored to become a vibrant modern language. Yet, Tomazinho illogically infers that Devanagari script shall be responsible for the demise of Konkani language, which he anticipates. But he is not a duffer. He is only preparing a ready ground to bury his own sins. If it is the number of SPEAKERS that decides whether a language survives or dies, how does a script come into the picture at all? DOES ONE SPEAK A SCRIPT? But then, no stupidity is beyond those who claim to SPEAK "Romi Konknni" whilst their enemies speak "Devnagri Konknni." Imagine someone who translates "Sant Juanv Bautist ani Dexi riti-rivaz" as "St. John the Baptist level mannered ritual" being ASKED TO REVIEW not one but two books written in "priestly Konkani." (Cf. Herald Mirror, 22/03, pg 12). Could someone cite anything as pathetic with regard to any other language? Once a language is no longer the language of the home – literally, the mother's tongue – then the language is pretty well doomed to become extinct, unless extraordinary things happen to save it. And it is a fact that a section of Goans, whom Tomazinho claims to represent, desist from speaking in Konkani, even at home. But their opposition to Devanagari script is certainly not the reason for this. Take tiatrists for instance. Konkani is not only the language of expression of their art but also a means of livelihood. Yet, they resort to English the moment they step out of the spotlight. I have observed that two tiatrist couples (Cardozo and Mazarello – prominent leaders of the anti-Devanagari lobby) invariably intercommunicate in English whether on the road, in a hall or in the church. One need not guess their language at home. Is Devanagari responsible for this too? And they are exhorting others to speak in Konkani! One is reminded of an adage in Konkani which says, "the priest’s sermon is not for his sister-in-law!" Tomazinho's grouse is against the particular script used in school books. Does one need a script in order to continue SPEAKING in a language. Therefore, school books cannot be the reason why a particular section of people do not speak a language. Obviously the real reasons are elsewhere and Cardozo, being one of those, is certainly aware of them. One may remember that, among the Speakers of our Legislative Assembly, Tomazinho is perhaps the only one who used English exclusively in the House; even his predecessors on that Chair, owing allegiance to the M. G. Party, used Konkani in addition to Marathi and English even though they believed that Konkani is a dialect of Marathi. Did he desist from using Konkani because of the script? Or was it because he, a tiatrist, considered it OK for the tiatr but infra dig for the Chair he occupied? He also makes a preposterous claim that "the use of a particu
[Goanet] US now a country of nightmares?
The US of A touts itself as being a country of dreams. But lately things are not looking so shapely. Pity the new incumbent President Obama trying his best to prop up the disaster left by his predecessor. Now this country once that landed man on moon is seen learning to forage for food in its parks and country side. Many of its number one citizens have now lost their homes and are now seen living in substandard conditions like tents without the comfy sofas and 54 inch lcd's. Lessons are given on how not to spend on items such as down loading music or even buying pets. Free handouts are now a common event. Q's are a sight once seen in commie dwellings or in Goa where one collects ration from the posro. The big question is where is Karl Marx? BC
[Goanet] Days of the bullock cart in Goa
Soon after World War 11 in 1946 when my father came to Goa on long leave from E. Africa, he took me along to Bardez with a few belongings of a friend of his who had died during the war, to be delivered to his family members in Parra. Our gracious hosts arranged for a boilam gaddi complete with enclosure and seats inside to take us to his another friend's family house. I am not sure whether it was in Arpora or Calangute. It was for the first and the last time I had a boilam gaddi ride. Bardezcars were first to emigrate and they were also first Goans to be exposed to English language. In all other respects too they were a generation or two ahead of Sashtikars. In Salcete too we had boilam gaddi but they were used to carry goods but not as passenger carriers. Sashtikars were used to caminhao/carrieras, horse tongas and railway trains. Antonio
[Goanet] DAYS OF THE BULLOCK CART IN GOA
In response to: Message: 9 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:46:43 -0400 From: "Tony Fernandes" http://f5mail.rediff.com/bn/compose.cgi?login=freddyagnelo&session_id=5L23PK1KT KhAWPRjRgm37a8nAiDU2O81&FormName=mail_to_individual&email=tonfe...@hotmail.com> > Subject: [Goanet] DAYS OF THE BULLOCK CART IN GOA Wonderful article Tony, Brought back those wonderful memories, though we may have had one or two in our area during my young days, there were plenty in Margao, we would mostly hitch a ride from Loyola, down to our football ground near the railways gate at Comba, during my days at the Loyola boarding, I can still sense the big wheels squeaking down the slope and the ring of the bells tied round the necks of the bulls and the rickety rocking ride down the slope, it was just for fun, that we hopped on to the "gaddo", though we would reach faster running down the slope. I know a person from Margao police quarters who worked in Abu Dhabi, rode on a well decorated "gaddo" right upto the Grace Church in Margao, for his nuptials along with his very reluctant bestman, it was the weirdest thing I had ever seen, his bride to be and the in-laws were shocked and speechless, he did not tell anyone, his plans to use the "gaddo" instead of a car. This was somewhere in the mid 90, the moment he entered the Church compound there was a pin drop silence for a moment and then roar of laughter, it was fun. I still do admire his guts for the class act and it's all on his wedding tape, hope he has preserved it for his future generations !! For a good number of years I haven't seen one in Margao or our village. BTW Ignatius, I don't think they used cashew seed sap, because the smell of sap is very distinct most probably it was grease that was used. Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
[Goanet] Goa - na
On Herald dated March 24, ( page 16 ) , St. Peter demands proof from Einstein, Picasso and Bush respectively before they are allowed to cross the pearly gates. However, St. Peter is in trouble when a Goan requests that he be admitted too. So the Saint calls his old friend Jose who asks a simple question:'' bamon re tum ?
[Goanet] 'Prez bypassed on Cidade ordinance'
'Prez bypassed on Cidade ordinance' 24 Mar 2009, 0314 hrs IST, TNN PANAJI: A cloud has settled over the controversial ordinance promulgated by the government to amend the Land Acquisition Act and bring relief to Cidade de Goa hotel, whose partial demolition was ordered by the Supreme Court. Even as the Land Acquisition (Goa Amendment) Bill 2009 was introduced in the assembly on Monday evening, a significant legal aspect specifying that the ordinance required presidential assent before its promulgation has come to the fore. Satish Sonak, addressing a Goa Bachao Abhiyan meet on Monday, said that documents issued by the special secretary (law) and the advocate general to the chief minister in February state that presidential assent was necessary. Advocate general Subodh Kantak's note to the CM, dated February 12, 2009, states: "It is permissible for the state government to bring the amendment in land acquisition, provided it is not inconsistent with any other provision of the Act, in which case it will require presidential assent under Article 254." The AG further asked the CM to get the issue examined by the law department. On February 16, 2009, special secretary (law) P V Kadnekar in a note to the CM stated: "Certain provisions for the proposed ordinance are inconsistent with provisions of the Act. Before promulgation of ordinance by the governor of Goa, in terms of Article 213, a prior approval of the President is required." However, legislature secretary R Kothandaraman said that presidential assent was not required. "Any subject in the concurrent list can be enacted by parliament and the state," he said. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/Prez-bypassed-on-Cidade-ordinance/articleshow/4307750.cms
[Goanet] Ex-guv opposes Cidade ordinance
Ex-guv opposes Cidade ordinance PANJIM, MARCH 23 Former Governor Mohammed Fazal stamped his disapproval on the controversial Cidade de Goa ordinance at a public meeting called by Goa Bachao Abhiyan on Monday, thus casting a big question mark on whether the promulgation of the ordinance by the present governor was ethical or illegal. Fazal said he had come to the meeting after giving it a long thought and on the dictates of his conscience finally decided to attend. The ordinance served no public interest and on the contrary would open floodgates of corruption, he observed. The former governor concluded that the ordinance was issued with undue haste to favour an individual and called upon the legislative members to refrain from making the bill into an Act in the current session of the assembly. Even dictators in past history never came out with such ordinances, he added. Goa Foundation's Claude Alvares, the man who fought an 18-year battle to prove that Cidade had broken all laws, appealed to the people not to rest until the Supreme Court's orders were followed and every brick of the illegal portion was removed. Alvares said, he couldn't disclose much at a public meeting like this, but however informed he had filed a challenge in the apex court which would come up this week. Permissions granted to the hotel are all illegal from the start and the governor's promulgation doesn't make any difference, he observed. He accused Cidade of tampering with survey numbers by colluding with the government and mentioned what would surface before the people in the end will be a big scam. Alvares said Goa Foundation had never gone to the court for demolition of the illegal portion but to restore access to the beach for which, it was learnt, the hotel had made a silent pact with the neighbouring Machado's Cove to make the beach access their domain. GBS convenor Sabina Martins said the government's intention on the ordinance was malafide and informed they had written letters to the chief justice of India, the president, the prime minister and the Nationalist Congress Party president bringing to their notice the fraud perpetrated on the State. Martins warned that if need be the GBA would come on to the streets to pressurise the government to do away with the controversial ordinance. Former GBA convenor Dr Oscar Rebello said people's patience has a limit and cautioned the government of a revolution into which it would be sucked. "Goa is in a crisis and this government has lost our trust. The law should be uniform to everyone and the big wigs and the industry should play to the rules," he asserted. General Secretary of Council for Social Justice and Peace Fr Maverick Fernandes observed that there was a need for a politically-mature electorate. "We may be socially aware but vigilance is required at all times," he highlighted. He ridiculed the government on the 16 and 16A amendments to the Town and Country Planning Act and the amendment to the Panchayati Raj Act. He derided the powers that be in shunning away from devolving powers to the grassroots bodies under the 73rd and 74th amendments. Jason Keith Fernandes said it was the need of the hour to get to the root of the present lawlessness and called for a legal framework under which government plans were made. Dr Francisco Colaco in strong words called, "I am disillusioned and nauseated with the ordinance. Down with Cidade Ordinance, shame, shame. ." Writer Venita Coelho said they were at the meeting because laws had been broken and the people would stand against illegalities. Professor Prajal Sakhardande said the SC order would be hanged in the Goa legislative assembly today, a day on which freedom fighter Bhagat Singh faced the noose while fighting for the country's freedom. Colomb villager Antao Montes narrated police harassment meted out to him for opposing mining in his village by Timblo's which runs the Fomento company. http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=19112&cid=2
[Goanet] Goa gets HOT this March
Goa gets HOT this March Radio Mirchi organizes WORLD FORESTRY DAY PHOTO EXHIBITION, March 23-26 Panjim, March 23: In an overwhelming display of enthusiasm, amateur photographers from all over Goa participated at the recent WORLD FORESTRY PHOTOGRAPHY COMPETITION organized by Radio Mirchi 98.3 FM in an effort to sensitize young Goans towards environment and forestry conservation. The competition was organized in two categories, namely 1. Landscapes 2. Wildlife with focus on submission of original photographs in 8"x10" size and shot entirely in Goa and on Goa as entry criteria. 100 entries were received from all over Goa. Photographers Assavari Kulkarni and Gasper de Souza judged the winning photographs. Following entries were declared as winners in the Landscape Category: First place, Manchit Deshpande from Margao. Second place, Parag Rangnekar from Panjim and Saish Borkar from Panjim. Following entries were declared as winners in the Wildlife Category: First place, Dr Luis Dias from Panjim, Second place, Rahul Shetye from Ponda and Third place, Sharafat Khan from Taleigao. Consolation prizes in Wildlife category were also won by Jess Louis from Borim-Ponda and Amit Bandekar from Vasco. And Chryselle D'Silva Dias from Panjim and Satish Gaonkar from Ponda in the Landscape category. The exhibition organized at the Radio Mirchi office,Vivienda de Hassan Bldg, 1st floor, D B Marg, Miramar, Panjim will remain open till March 26. The competition was organized in association with Wildernest Nature Resorts. Radio Mirchi 98.3FM Celebrates Women this March Celebrating Women in a holistic combine of infotainment, Radio Mirchi 98.3FM highlighted the contemporary Goan woman's economic, social and health issues in a seven day interactive LIVE `meet and greet' with RJ Suchi and members of the Goa State Commission for Women (GSCW). Panjim, March 16: Radio Mirchi, 98.3 FM.India's hottest Radio Station celebrated Women's Week from March 7th to March 14th. During the week, Radio Mirchi invited prominent women and other professionals to discuss relevant issues pertaining to women. The topics included women empowerment, women's health, women and gender ratio, women and HIV/AIDS, sexual harassment at workplace, domestic violence etc. Dr Pramod Salgaocar, Chairperson, Goa State Commission for Women spoke about the various types of cases that the Women's Commission deals with on a daily basis. She said that "Women need space and this space has to be safe and secure so that women can exercise their rights. The Women's Commission is working towards making men and women co-exist as equals in a healthy society. We look forward to working with men as our partners in this process," she concluded, adding "We want men to join us in recognizing and giving women their rightful place in the family and community." Dr Radhika Nayak, lecturer, Carmel College of Arts & Sciences for Women and councilor of the Ponda Municipal Council spoke about political empowerment of women. She said, "There is a big role of women in local governance. Women should remember that women and politics are not opposite and they definitely go together. Women should learn to handle power and they should political empower themselves with more representation." Advocate Caroline Colaco highlighted the various areas of domestic violence and also suggested various methods and acts to empower women against domestic violence. Dr Eugene D'Silva, practicing gynaecologist from Panjim spoke about women and health, in particular breast and cervical cancer and it early detection and awareness. Other guest speakers included lecturer Anita Haladi who explained about the right of the girl child and also the concerns of Goa's declining sex ratio. Psychologist Prachi Khandeparkar, also associated with the Goa State Commission for Women as a counselor, spoke about sexual harassment at workplace and the various measures that have to be in place to have a safe working environment for women. Last, but not the least, a concern of global proportion, HIV/AIDS and the vulnerability of women increasing at an alarming rate, which was highlighted by Dr Pradeep Padwal, Director, Goa State AIDS Control Society in a heart to heart session with RJ Suchi on Radio Mirchi 98.3FM It's Hot. The shows were hosted by RJ Suchi and was organized in association with Goa State Commission for Women and Karma Foods Team Mirchi Goa on the roll :-) Ethel
[Goanet] The Accidental Activist - And Justice for All
The Accidental Activist - And Justice for All By Venita Coelho Why did they all come? Why did they leave children who were studying for exams, make excuses at work, catch buses and make time and come? Why did they come from Nachinola and Columb and Keri and across Goa? Why did they make the time and effort to be at the GBA rally? Because they believed in something. A simple thing called justice. When I was young I learnt that the Supreme Court of the Land was the final court of appeal. I wrote it in my exams. I watched on TV as Prime Ministers and Presidents and legislators took oaths to protect the Supreme Law of the land in letter and in Spirit. And I believed that there was a thing called justice. Everyone was supposed to have access to it. There weren't separate laws for the rich and poor. And always - the final court of appeal was the Supreme Court. Now we have a case decided after eighteen years with a clear Supreme Court order saying 'Demolish'. And we have an Ordinance that subverts a judgement by the last court of appeal in the land. What a mockery this ordinance makes of the sanctity of the law! It makes orders of the Supreme Court and High Courts redundant. It moves to save the rich. It gives far reaching powers to the Government to change any agreement and the usage of any land that it acquires. It opens the door for all kinds of land grab and manipulation. And what is the last thing this ordinance does? It says that if any of this happens - no one can take the matter to a court of law. With one stroke the government is removing itself from the purview of any court of law. They can do as they please and you and I who believe in justice cannot go anywhere to get it. Not to any court of law in this land. Suddenly instead of the rule of the law we have Ordinance Raj. Is it possible for us to have a government that stands outside the purview of justice? Especially when it has demonstrated to us time and again what its own idea of justice is. When it has repeatedly manipulated the law to serve the advantaged few. Look at all the issues that we have been forced to come out onto the streets to fight - the first Regional Plan, the proposed SEZ, amendment 16 and 16/A to the TCP Act. the list is endless. And in each case government functioned as a tool in the hands of those with money to grab land and land use from us. In each case the government has worked not for the aam admi, but rather to snatch what the common man is trying so hard to protect and hand it over to those who have power on their sides. For all of these reasons concerned citizens gave a call to people to come to a rally. To speak up and be heard. Because this was a matter that affected each and every one of us. And how did the big money react? With a series of articles seeking to slander and trivialize what the activists were doing. Sujay Gupta went to press on the morning of the rally to call activism 'blackmail' and accuse activists of 'misplaced hysteria' displaying 'lack of commonsense and pragmatism'. He then went on to list the 'tactics' that we 'blackmailing activists' use. The first was 'reputation attacks' - this from someone who has been nailed for trying to call a bonafide activist a naxalite and has himself filed a case against Seby Rodrigues for 500 crores. 'Intimdation and indirect threats to executives' - all this while mining activists were being picked up in Columb by police to intimidate people into not going for the rally. Lastly 'internet based attacks leading to misinformed cliché reactions' - this on a day when with mysterious co-ordination pro Ordinance articles appeared in every leading paper. Uday Bhembre assured us that all was well with the Ordinance and the government had done a wonderful thing and that in no way did it over rule the ruling. Would the illegal structure still stand? Yes of course, but that was because the Government understood better than the courts what the best interest of the public was. And passing an ordinance - that emergency measure to be used sparingly and with judicious thought? Ah that was nothing. All in a days work. We were merely making a fuss because we didn't understand the matter thoroughly. His article was helpfully titled 'Empty Vessels make the Most Noise'. Well there were a whole lot of mischief makers and blackmailers in the hall that day. It was clear who the people believed. It was clear that they understood what was at stake. I stood in the hall and heard the crowd roar. They were loud and they were angry. I heard their roar carry across the Mandovi. The people in that Hall believed in justice. And so they came from across Goa. It's time for you to join them. If you want to still have the Supreme Court stand inviolate. If you want The Rule of Law and not Ordinance Raj. If you still believe in simple things like justice - you cannot allow this ordinance to stand.
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (24Mar09)
Black Day? NO Death Day of the Supreme Court of India...If the Goa Govt Passes the Land Acquisition Ordinance... In Favour of Cidade de Goa To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] Goa news for March 24, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa government bans Sri Rama Sene - Sify & http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://sify.com/news/politics/fullstory.php?id=14873802&cid=1317098379&ei=ehvIScLnMZqilQT7nuH0Dg&usg=AFQjCNH_RxC_sHQxq5vFOrQSK3Y3eeR3Tg *** 3 foreign nationals attack Goa cops, held - The Statesman & http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=2&theme=&usrsess=1&id=247967&cid=1319210450&ei=ehvIScLnMZqilQT7nuH0Dg&usg=AFQjCNFZjZcd7vjOtgCg_5f_nW7CGy7G2w *** Panaji: German National fears for His Life in Goa - Daijiworld.com ear-old Polish Adam Pyotor Mancic was arrested from the coastal village of Chopdem in Goas northernmost Pernem taluka last week, while he was staying with German national Kalenborn Heinz Willi. Willi, who acted as an important link for the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=58082&n_tit=Panaji%3A+German+National+fears+for+His+Life+in+Goa&cid=1319209302&ei=ehvIScLnMZqilQT7nuH0Dg&usg=AFQjCNHVfAzXTbRDv0WuXDFkpPbfYladxg *** BJP gets a headstart in Goa, Congress yet to announce candidates - Times of India & http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/BJP-gets-a-headstart-in-Goa-Congress-yet-to-announce-candidates/articleshow/4300021.cms&cid=1318337665&ei=ehvIScLnMZqilQT7nuH0Dg&usg=AFQjCNGLE-4lFgqOnODlPh_H15bCigPV6w *** Goa Assembly congratulates Slumdog Millionaire\'s team - Hindu & http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200903231980.htm&cid=1319297176&ei=ehvIScLnMZqilQT7nuH0Dg&usg=AFQjCNGtllg65rFRORSoo_2nLTfR5TP9jA *** Goa to phase out 14 mining leases near Selaulim dam - Thaindian.com & http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/goa-to-phase-out-14-mining-leases-near-selaulim-dam_100170307.html&cid=1319507993&ei=ehvIScLnMZqilQT7nuH0Dg&usg=AFQjCNHidw6zdUllEqG78ipQzhBbdzeVNA *** Goa assembly session reduced to two days - Times of India 010, while the bill on the controversial Land Acquisition (Goa Amendment) Ordinance 2009 will also be introduced in the assembly. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa-assembly-session-reduced-to-two-days/articleshow/4302706.cms&cid=131934&ei=ehvIScLnMZqilQT7nuH0Dg&usg=AFQjCNGxDn18dKjTLHw1wpDzWF_IWNN0og *** Poor cashew crop in Konkan, Goa - Times of India & http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Poor-cashew-crop-in-Konkan-Goa/articleshow/4302076.cms&cid=1319312425&ei=ehvIScLnMZqilQT7nuH0Dg&usg=AFQjCNEFiFdRpiKxpgbL5ffjO06c9TTbIQ *** 24 x 7 data centre to combat terror to be set up - Times of India gency Co-ordination Centre ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/24-x-7-data-centre-to-combat-terror-to-be-set-up/articleshow/4302075.cms&cid=0&ei=ehvIScLnMZqilQT7nuH0Dg&usg=AFQjCNFHWOVPa3VkwKRA-FAqG1iss5cIAg *** Indian police crack down on unauthorized Goa beach party - RIA Novosti Four people were arrested on Mondayin the Indian resort of Goa on charges of assaulting police who tried to break up an unauthorized beach party, a police spokesman told RIA Novosti. While patrolling Ozran Beach, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://en.rian.ru/world/20090323/120694989.html&cid=0&ei=ehvIScLnMZqilQT7nuH0Dg&usg=AFQjCNHcFXN7EyVT6O7DNHldtEJ7AdurOA Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Roman Catholic Vs Hindu ...?
Reading the posts, in particular on religion, I get the impression that there are few Muslims as members of Goanet. How many Muslims have commented in the last few months ...? As I'm new to this list I feel strange reading the posts and sometimes get the impression the world is divided into Roman Catholics vs Hindus. Watching the show from where I live in Japan, a Buddhist country, makes it even stranger reading ... While I'm not blaming the Roman Catholics or Hindus,I wish people of different religious and cultural backgrounds would also send in their views. I cannot help but wonder why it is so ... Please enlighten me. It is, after all, a big world we are living in which is full of a wide range of opinions - and, that's what makes the internet interesting, right?
[Goanet] STT: I am a Goan too. Infact, I am from Taleigao
STT: I am a Goan too. Infact, I am from Taleigao Look, I have my election card http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextras/3380097389/ bigger http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextras/3380097389/sizes/o/ Reflection: I am Goan if I have a election card. I am a Ghantti if I don't have one. joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Goenkars causing problems in the afterlife
The angel Gabriel came to the Lord and said "We need to talk. We have some Goenkars up here they are causing problems. They're swinging on the pearly gates, my horn is missing, they are wearing kashtis and saris instead of their white robes, the ones who come from California are driving Mercedes and BMW's instead of the chariots, and they're selling their halos at discount prices. They refuse to keep the stairway to Heaven clear - they stop midway to eat Fish and Sausages and leave a mess. They pee wherever they want to. Some of them are even walking around without their wings!" The Lord said, "Goans are Goans. Heaven is home to all my children. If you want to know about real problems, give Satan a call." Satan answered the phone, "Hello? Damn, hold on a minute.." Satan returned to the phone, "OK I'm back. What can I do for you?" Gabriel replied, "I just wanted to know what kind of problems you're having down there." Satan says, "Hold on again. I need to check on something." After about 5 minutes Satan returns to the phone and said, "I'm back. Now what was the question?" Gabriel said, "What kind of problems are you having down there?" Satan says, "Man I don't believe thisHold on again." This time Satan was gone at least 15 minutes. He returned and said, "I'm sorry Gabriel, I can't talk right now. These damn Goenkars down here have put out the fire and are trying to install air conditioning!!!
[Goanet] Konkani, computing....
Anyone interested in volunteering to translate Konkani for computers? Just register and check this place: http://pootle.locamotion.org/kok/ -- FN * http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com M +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://twitter.com/fn On Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/people/Frederick-Noronha/502514643 "Success in life means not becoming like your parents." - Louise Bowie
Re: [Goanet] Nuns treated like servants by priests
> Mario responds: > > To see why Jason Keith came in for opprobrium in graphic > detail see the following post > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175458.html > which you seem to have missed or failed to understand. > > Since you apparently know Jason Keith so well, instead of > making snide comments, why don't you defend his column and > the "smackdown" by his critic, if you dare? Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:55:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Carvalho This is the most bizarre conversation ever on Goanet. Jason Keith wrote a column about caste in Goa. Rajan Parrikar in his usual style thought it fit to rip into Jason. And now you, who have for years on Goanet hailed yourself as the champion of casteist indignity, "smackdown" on Jason? I can't follow the logic but I leave you to your own devices. Mario responds: Selma, To follow the logic of a verbal exchange it helps to understand the underlying conversation. It's not that hard if you put aside your pet peeves and pre-conceived emotions and focus on the current debate, not some past discussion you may have had with an individual. For example, you were in such haste to denigrate Dr. Barad that you completely missed the contents of the article he posted on the abuse of Catholic Nuns, as well as who was alleging the abuse - it was Catholics, not Barad. You chose to "smackdown" Dr. Barad based on your pre-conceived notion that he is anti-Christian - and ended up with egg all over yourself. Here, see if you can follow this. 1. The column by Jason Keith in the Gomantak Times and his "smackdown" by Rajan Parrikar is in the archives for all to see. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175458.html My only involvement in this as Goanet's only voice of reason, truth and peace, was to observe Rajan's pawky technique of using another unregulated forum to use fiery language on Goanet that would not pass muster here. 2. Regarding caste, I am not a champion of casteist indignity - I am exactly the opposite - I am an opponent of any delusion by Christians that they belong to some mythical caste. 3. What you are describing as a "smackdown" of Jason by me was a mild pat on the rear end asking why someone like Jason, Marshall or Padre Ivo, all of whom must have seen the report on the abuse of nuns in the Times of India were not outraged enough to post it on Goanet, condemn the findings, excoriate the Cardinal for keeping quiet all these years, and demand that the errant priests be brought to justice and expelled from the Church. We have still not heard from Jason Keith on this, whom you apparently know better than most, or from Padre Ivo, still busy trying to jigger the English language to make up look like down and black look like white and mystical feelings look like science in the Beauregard experiments. We did see a feeble attempt by Marshall to excuse himself by diverting attention to Hindutva and stepping on himself by suggesting that "intra-religious" issues be best left to the religion's adherents, leaving me to wonder if he was a Christian or not. No clarification yet from Marshall as to a) whether he is a Christian, and if so, b) why he avoided this Christian issue after relegating it to only Christians to handle.
Re: [Goanet] Obsession with other people's religion
Marshall Mendonza had offered me a fake conditional apology a few days ago because of the abusive behavior he was engaged in. True to form he has now had a relapse of that condition. The reason for this latest bout of abuse against me is because I exposed the fact that he gratuitously initiated a thread to malign the young Indian American community, as a whole, by propagating the falsehoods disseminated by a Marxist activist named Vijay Prashad on a fringe political website. Here is the bogus defamatory quote that he tried to sell you: "young Indian Americans suffer from cultural bigotry, and that this experience sends them in search of an identity fix – either to benign or not so benign organisations. The VHPA and its "Yankee Hindutva" parivar know this fully well." ..Selected by Marshall Mendonza Here is his explanation that by "young Indian Americans" he was referring to the youth of the Hindu community: "It is but obvious, that reference would be made to the Hindu community as the VHP would be unlikely to attract Indians from other communities." .Marshall Mendonza I would like to caution Goanetters that Marshall Mendonza is trying to sell you lies about young Indian Americans. These young folk do not suffer from cultural bigotry. They do not in general join any benign or not so benign organization in search of an identity fix, whatever the heck that means. I say this from my personal experience of having taught and interacted with scores of young Indian Americans. Two of them are my own children. Mario Goveia, who has been in the U.S. much longer than I have, has separately attested to what I am saying here. Please do not trust Marshall Mendonza, and the garbage he posts in this forum. Cheers, Santosh --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Marshall Mendonza wrote: > > Response: > One must grant Santosh the credit for maliciously and > mischievously twisting > and interpreting a sentence taken out of context and giving > it a communal > colour. Nothing new, standard hindutva tactics, if one may > say so. > > In response to the following statement of Santosh- > "The post appended below reveals an obsession with > one-sided political > activism centered around other people's religion." > > I had posed the following queries: > Does Santosh believe and want us to believe that Hindutva > (ideology) and > Hinduism (religion) are synonymous? > Does Santosh suggest the Hindutva represents hindus > and hindu religion? > Does Santosh expect us to keep off hindutva activities > which affect our > common well being and safety if we do not happen to be > hindus? > > Till date Santosh has studiously avoided answering them. I > will not be > surprised if Santosh does a Barad. I can well understand > his predicament. >
[Goanet] Antidote for Amnesia
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Gilbert Lawrence http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-barney-frank/is-there-an-antidote-to-t_b_176538.html An example of amnesia is the 'minor detail' that Edward Liddy was appointed CEO of AIG in September '08. President Obama was elected President of USA on November 4, 2008. In the eagerness to demagogue everything, the 'talking heads' get their basic facts wrong. Mario responds: A "minor detail" can become a "major misrepresentation" when used out of context. Once again we see far left wing propaganda and the typical half-truths citing far left wing blogs and disreputable politicians. The antidote for amnesia are facts in proper context, not propaganda repeated endlessly. In Gilbert's favorite source of misinformation above, we see Rep. Barney Frank one of the main architects of the current financial crisis trying desperately to point fingers away from him. He says, "In recent weeks, my friends across the aisle have expended a lot of breath proclaiming that the Democrats caused the present financial crisis by failing to pass legislation to regulate financial services companies in the years 1995 through 2006." This is a classic Barney Frank deception because he stops at 2006, hoping no one will remember that HE was the Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee in 2007 and 2008, and as the following video will show defended and protected the lowered lending standards for low income home owners, as he had done under the previous administration of Bill Clinton. Barney Frank has already been exposed by his own words and actions in several news reports by reputable media, like this one: http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080924145932.aspx and in this video report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&NR=1 Anyone who does their own independent research, instead of relying on far left wing propaganda blogs like the Huffington Post, will find that Edward Liddy was hand picked to run AIG by President Obama and his teleprompter's current Treasury Secretary, Tim Geithner, who was directly and intimately in charge of the bailout of AIG last year when he was Chairman of the New York Federal Reserve Bank. Senator Obama and his teleprompter did not object to the appointment of Edward Liddy last year as he could have as a Senator. Liddy was retained after Obama and his teleprompter became president and Geithner is still in charge of the AIG bailout, so he's their man now, notwithstanding the spirited attempt by the far left wingers pretending that he is still an appointee of the previous administration.
Re: [Goanet] Attn: Mr Tomazinho Cardoz - Re: Endangered Languages
Try TSKK, dear Lady...that's indeed the ticket.. Most appropriate for your esteemable needs: & Maestro Tomazinho, Fr. Pratap Naik, the late Fr. Almeida...not to forget...young enterprising Miguel B. have most comradely cohorted for the considerable recent past to hold the reins of the Konkani juggernaut well in hand and not spill over into Morathi...Kanadi...and allNagri... You could hardly entrust your good Guy's edification into our mai-bhas in more capable hands & hearts... Alfred...Chachaaa from Stockholm > From: nbds...@email.uky.edu > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:23:13 -0400 > Subject: [Goanet] Attn: Mr Tomazinho Cardoz - Re: Endangered Languages > > Hi Mr. Cardoz, > > My husband is a linguist, and he is keen on learning more about Konkani. > Although I am a native speaker of Konkani, I am not able to tell him much. > Please direct me to appropriate contacts, so that he can learn more about > Konkani as an endangered language. > > Best regards, > > > Nympha D'Souza El-Guindy, PhD, MPH > > Asst. Prof. Medicine & Nutrition > > 1101 VA Drive, C-304 > > Lexington, KY 40505 > > 859-233-4511 x 4285 > > > _ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx
[Goanet] Days of the Goan Bullock Cart
[Goanet] Days of the Goan Bullock Cart When we try to jump on the cart, the bullock cart man used to beat us with the same 'chabuk' he used to beat bullocks. No one liked him. Yet there was another who never said anything to us. We named him 'marana kopi ku ku ku' I still remember bullock cart carrying haystack which was 3 times more than the height of bollock cart Bullock carts still exist in Goa. Only last year, we saw one when we were going to Calvim/Aldona. We came across it on the road it was carrying some mud Else where in Goa, bullocks carts are now used to e ntertain foreign tourists giving them a free ride thru the villages etc Check here some of the pics of bullock carts http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/2380466917/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk16/3132931540/sizes/l/ blue colour lanmp you see here was used/hanging/glowing under the bollock cart at night (there were no electricity that tinme) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/269997140/sizes/o/ zoth/fields http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2667911793/sizes/l/ video 1 kids running behind bullock cart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX1JObcTgN0 Video 2 bullock cart ride for tourists http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjRm36tagNE Quote: [Goanet] Days of the Goan Bullock Cart http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175569.html joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Vatican Stirs Up Another Controversy (Fr. Desmond de Sousa CSsR, SAR NEWS)
Vatican Stirs Up Another Controversy By Fr. Desmond de Sousa CSsR, SAR NEWS PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- Did the Pope really have to stir up yet another controversy? In the wake of the Linz disaster and the Richard Williamson debacle, the Vatican had to backtrack somewhat and offer explanations to ensure such “mistakes” (not usual in the Vatican vocabulary) were not repeated. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger chose the name Benedict when he was elected Pope, to unify the Church in Europe in the hope of re-christianising the continent like St. Benedict had done centuries ago. But with one gaffe after another, the Vatican and some national bishops’ conferences – like the French, German and Austrian – seem terribly out of sync. Now, a veritable hornets’ nest has been stirred in South America (Brazil) and Africa (Cameroon) respectively. In Brazil, an illiterate mother of a 9-year-old child, raped by her stepfather, was excommunicated for signing the necessary abortion document on doctors’ advice and so were the doctors. Pope Benedict XVI on his Cameroon trip has reopened another controversy on combating the spread of AIDS in Africa with an attempt to justify a policy widely consider unjustifiable, even by faith. Contrary voices on the Brazilian abortion case? A 9-year-old Brazilian girl, who was repeatedly raped by her stepfather, was expecting twins. In early March, an abortion was performed on the girl. Archbishop José Cardoso Sobrinho of Olinda and Recife, where the girl’s family lives, excommunicated the mother and all the members of the medical team. The row was inflamed when Archbishop Sobrinho allegedly said he had not excommunicated the stepfather because abortion was a more serious sin than rape. Archbishop Fisichella, president of the Vatican Pontifical Academy for Life, lamented the image given by the Church in this case. He stated that Archbishop Sobrinho's "hasty" reaction has caused resentment and has undermined the credibility of the Church's teaching, "which in the eyes of many seems insensitive, incomprehensible and lacking in mercy." Earlier, Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, head of the Vatican Congregation for Bishops, had backed the excommunications, saying the Brazilian bishops were right to take the view that the abortion was a sin. He said attacks on them were "unjustified." Archbishop Geraldo Lyrio Rocha of Mariana, president of the Brazilian bishops' conference, publicly lamented last week that "the most repugnant aspect of this case was diluted,” given the controversy over the excommunication. The "real problem is "the increase of cases of abuse of minors in the country," a topic "on which the national conscience must be awakened." The AIDS controversy in Africa The Pope courted further controversy on his first trip to Africa by declaring, AIDS "is a tragedy that cannot be overcome by money alone, and that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems". He said the Catholic Church was leading the fight against AIDS, but that sexual abstinence and fidelity within marriage were the answer. Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, director of the Vatican press office, was forced to clarify Pope Benedict’s words regarding the fight against AIDS. “The Church's priority is education, research and human and spiritual assistance, not condom distribution.” The first step is "education in the responsibility of persons in the use of sexuality and with the reaffirmation of the essential role of marriage and the family”. Second, the epidemic must be fought “with research and the implementation of effective treatments for AIDS, making them available to the greatest number of patients.” Thirdly, the response must include "human and spiritual assistance to AIDS patients, as well as to all those who suffer, who have always been in the heart of the Church.” Father Lombardi underlined the Church’s commitment to fight AIDS in these ways, noting that “to seek essentially a greater diffusion of condoms, is not in reality the best way, the broadest view or the most effective way to address the scourge of AIDS and to safeguard human life”. Two years ago there was speculation that the Vatican might amend its ban on condoms after Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, the former Archbishop of Milan, said that in couples where one partner had HIV/AIDS, the use of condoms was “a lesser evil”. Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan of Mexico, the Vatican Health Minister, also said condoms could sometimes be exceptionally condoned, for example when a married woman was unable to refuse her HIV-positive husband's sexual advances. Will the Vatican and the national bishops’ conferences speak in one voice or continue to speak in different voices on such burning issues seriously affecting human life and faith?
[Goanet] CD shows Cong leader seeking votes in name of Islam
Please click on the link provided here below to know more on the above subject. http://www.dailypioneer.com/163861/CD-shows-Cong-leader-seeking-votes-in-nam e-of-Islam.html QUOTE: I think during the next election, the issue of seeking votes in the name of religion will come to the forefront! The controversy regarding the speech of Varun Gandhi, grandson of Indira Gandhi but now in the BJP, has got a lot of attention for good or bad reasons only time will prove. There is now a refrence that the BJP has made about a speech by a Congress leader, where he is alleged to have said: "I regret not being a mufti. Had I been one, I would have issued just one fatwa that going with the BJP amounts to committing kufr." Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Lumosity - Brain Games
Try these brain grain you smart goanetters! Con http://www.lumosity.com/landing?refer=220&gclid=CIGA8J3wt5kCFQYpbwodQ3mJ5w
[Goanet] Many Happy Returns! - 90% tax rate
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo Correct me if I am wrong but it looks like there is only one country in the world today that has a 90% tax on the bonuses paid to workers. That country, hold your breath, is the good ol' United Socialist States of America. Abso-funny-lutely amazing! Mario observes: Imagine how misled this forum would be like with posts like the one above without any voice of reason, truth and peace to provide corrections, context and perspective? The good news is that such misguided posts provide a teaching opportunity as to how the American system of checks and balances works, especially the co-equal power sharing that the US Constitution provides between the Executive, Legislature and the Judiciary. Very few people outside the USA understand this process. The politically motivated proposal to levy a 90% income tax on the small number of bonuses "above a certain amount" paid only by the small number of companies that "received more than a certain base amount of bailout funds" is currently wending its way through the American Legislative process. Compare this with the assertion that the tax would apply to "the bonuses paid to workers" in the "...good ol' United Socialist States of America." without any qualification, context or perspective. The House of Representatives has hastily passed one version of the bill, apparently to placate public outrage. Now the Senate has to pass its version if it can get at least 60 Senators to agree. If they cannot get at least 60 Senators to vote in the affirmative, the bill dies and does not become law. If the Senate does pass a version of the bill, then representatives of the House and Senate meet to arrive at a compromise with the House version. Then the compromise version goes to President Obama and his teleprompter for his signature. The President and his teleprompter can veto the bill in which case it goes back to the Senate, which can override the veto with at least 60 votes, in which case the bill becomes law. However, in this case I do not expect a veto because it is the kind of confiscatory power grab - changing the rules in the middle of the game - that this President and his teleprompter and most of his party support. The matter may or may not end with the President and his teleprompter's signature because someone may challenge the new law in the courts as "un-Constitutional". This may happen in this case because the kind of legislation being proposed violates certain Constitutional restrictions against targeting a narrow section of citizens, that, too, retroactively. The courts, which share equal power with the Legislature and the Office of the President, can reject the bill if they judge it to violate the Constitution. If the lower courts reject the bill, it can be appealed to higher courts, all the way to the Supreme Court. If the Supremes reject the bill, the bill dies and it's back to square one. This is the political "sausage factory" in which laws are made that Winston Churchill likened the democratic process to. The Chinese do not have to go through this rigamarole. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090320/ap_on_bi_ge/aig_bonuses Excerpts: How to impose those taxes without running afoul of the Constitution or the law is a dispute that has Republicans urging a go-slow approach. Republicans say there are enough problems or unknowns about the bonus-limiting bills to merit a closer look. Imposing too high a tax rate, doing it retroactively and targeting a narrow group of people could violate several of the Constitution's prohibitions against government takings without due process,... Then there's the question of the sanctity of contracts. If the government goes around canceling contracts like those calling for AIG bonuses, people might stop entering into contracts that call for using government bailout money designed to get credit flowing again to help spend the nation out of recession. Some firms could be scared away from the bailout program, said Scott Talbott, senior vice president of government affairs for the Financial Services Roundtable. "Ultimately it will undermine the recovery efforts," Talbott said. "It will have a chilling effect on ability to attract and retain employees," Talbott said. [end of excerpts]
Re: [Goanet] Always a class act
Mario, what about: Lying to his own people about the weapons of mass destruction, so as to initiate a war that made the world an unsafe place and that beggared the American people because of its cost. Sleeping at the watch that resulted in one of the world's worst economic disasters. Actively fostering cronyism that caused his close circle to profit enormously from his misadventures. Completely destroying the concept of soverignity in order to give the USA the sole right to invade any country it wished. Thereby demolishing the very pillars that built the United Nations. Caring nought about the poor in America. Providing tax breaks to the very rich on the basis that it was these people that created America's wealth. Maintaining a strong bond with the pharmaceutical and health care industry which ensured contribution to his elections and thereby obtained free reign for itself of the ability to price drugs and health-care out of reach of the average American. Creating a record of being one of the most stupid of Presidents that ever governed America and made that nation the laughing stock of the world. Presiding over wars that called for the label "the world's worst terrorist" to be applied to him. Spending billions of dollars and expending vast resources that collectively could not capture the one man who was responsibly for America's worst nighmare. And one could go and and on. Roland. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Mario Goveia wrote: > Through it all, he kept his focus on his three top priorities, a) keeping the > country safe after 9/11, which he did, b) keeping taxes low to revive the > economy from the recession he inherited, which he did, c) improving the > public educational system by setting standards, which he did, and d) changing > the regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan to eliminate what he saw as threats to > the national and global security and to give the citizens in those countries > a chance to experience freedom and democracy, which he did as well.
[Goanet] "FOREFRONT" TO ROCK FOR GWA's 9TH ANNUAL MAY QUEEN BALL IN QATAR.
FOREFRONT: Left to Right. Agnelo Mascarenhas, Savio Fernandes, Joaquim D'Souza, Agatha Jilugu, Seby Pinto (Band Leader) and Melvin Rosario. Music has a special place in the lives of Indians from the western state of Goa and to keep the musically inclined in high spirits the Goan Welfare Association (GWA), Qatar every year organise their May Queen Ball. The dinner dance which is into its ninth year has struck a special chord with Goans in Qatar, for been the most colourful social annual gathering and is also patronize by other nationals from different countries. This year's event on May 7 at the Diplomatic Club from 8.30 pm onwards promises to be 'fun filled event', says GWA President Simon D'Silva. With every passing year the May Ball event has been growing in stature. This year the organizers have line up India's most celebrated and Goa's number one band 'Forefront' for the event. The Goa-based band is renowned for rendering exhilarating performances over the last few years. The band has blazed the music world with their sensational blend of vocals, instruments, rhythm, visual technique in trend and showmanship. The musical history of Forefront reveals amazing performances in India and abroad with several award winning live concerts that have virtually cornered them at the vertex of billboard graphs. Forefront was featured on the ace popular MTV channel and they also had the unique honour of being the fast group to perform unplugged. Forefront are the best for pop and equally dazzling to rock, rap, reggae, bhangra, including Goa's ethnic, dekhnni, mandos and dulpods, etc. Their first album titled "Always By Your Side" turned out to be a super hit. Forefront has rendered scintillating performances in the Gulf countries, Europe including most of the States in India. To keep the people in good spirits for the night are two comperes one from Dubai and the other from Goa. Karishma Fernandez, a news producer and presenter who worked for Bombay World Space Satellite and currently with Arabian Radio Network Dubai will compere the show along with seasoned Updesh Swar from Goa. Every year the quality of the event has been rated high and improved tremendously with the support of sponsors and participants. The Goan Welfare Association endeavours to be on the forefront to organize major events keeping in mind the traditional hospitality, cultural heritage and music. The highlight of the event will be Crowning of May Queen by the renowned Bollywood Stars. The May Ball has been successful in getting worldwide coverage for the event and is one of the eagerly awaited event among the Indian community in the State of Qatar. Like past years this year too the event will cater all the nationalities and specially Indians in general. Participants to the contest should contact the organizers as early as possible. Tickets will be priced reasonable. More details can be had by phoning on 5550491, 5218480, 5807019 and 5504801. Top Goan band to perform at May Queen Ball Web posted at: 3/20/2009 7:23:54 Source ::: THE PENINSULA The Forefront band members (from left): Agnelo Mascarenhas, Savio Fernandes, Joaquim D'Souza, Agatha Jilugu, Seby Pinto (band leader) and Melvin Rosario. DOHA: The ninth annual May Queen Ball organised by the Goan Welfare Association (GWA) in Qatar will feature India's most celebrated and Goa's premier band, Forefront. To be held on May 7 at the Diplomatic Club, the dinner dance promises to be a fun-filled event, said GWA President Simon D'Silva. The band has blazed the music world with its sensational blend of vocals, instruments, rhythm, visual techniques and showmanship. Their musical history reveals amazing performances in India and abroad with several award-winning live concerts that have virtually cornered them at the vertex of billboard graphs. Forefront was featured on the popular MTV channel and also had the honour of being the first group to perform unplugged. Forefront are the best for pop and equally dazzling in rock, rap, reggae, bhangra, Goa's ethnic dekhnni, mandos and dulpods. Their first album, titled 'Always By Your Side' turned out to be a super hit. The highlight of the event will be the crowning of the May Queen by renowned Bollywood stars, added D'Silva. The May Ball has been successful in getting worldwide coverage and is one of the eagerly awaited events among the Indian community here. Participants in the contest may contact the organisers on 5550491, 5218480, 5807019 and 5504801. Source: Gulf Times; 17/03/2009 Forefront for May Queen Ball again Forefront members Agnelo Mascarenhas, Savio Joaquim D'Souza, Agatha Jilugu, band leader Seby Pinto and Melvin Rosario The Goan Welfare Association of Qatar (GWA) is organising the ninth edition of the May Queen Ball on May 7 at the Diplomatic Club. GWA president Simon D'Silva said that due to demand, Goa's Forefront band will be flown in once again to perform. The highlight of the ev
Re: [Goanet] Marriage Transcription
Dear All, I have received the below email from a very kind unknown person in Portugal. Hence I would like to share here for the benefit of all concerned. Regards, Shashi Dear Shashi, If you hve not yet received a satisfactory reply to your query, here goes one: (a) The CR Centrais no longer handles "Transcrissao de Casamentos". (b) There are "n" number of Conservatorias Civil all over Portugal, where the TCs can be submitted (c) The Identification in the "Procurassao" of the holder of the "Portuguese Assento" must be done by ID. Bearing the fact that all Portuguese citizens or nationals must at all times hold a valid BI. (d) There is no such thing as "Territorial Limit" so one can submit/apply for Portuguese documentation at any Consulate and other relevant Portuguese Offices. (e) The "Procurassao" must expressly mention the "Conservatoria" or other post where the TC is being submitted. This implies that the "Conservadora" will first want to have a look at photocopies of the documents and then fix the date to accept the originals. (f) Applications submitted at the Consulates are not forwarded to the CR Centrais but to some Department of the Minister for Law which then sends "distributes" them to any of the Conservatorias of Registo Civil which don't have their hands full. (With the "Informatizassao" Big Brother does have control). (e) Once these Conservatorias register the marriage, they inform the Centrais, for endorsement in the birth registry of the interested party. The Consulate also is notified or receives a marriage certificate which is then sent to the Applicant. I know the measure above is time consuming but it definitely avoids CORRUPTION as nobody knows which Conservatoria is doing the work. Besides this, the measure avoids work load on one Conservatoria while other Conservatorias in some places don't have much work. In one building alone in Lisbon, at Rua Fontes Pereira de Melo there are 15 Conservatorias de Registo Civil. The validity of the ID is now only one year. EU has introduced "Cartao de Cidadao" or "Cartao Unico" which will be in full force as from 2011. Presently these cards are only issued in Portugal (a lot of delay because ID's are no longer renewed under normal circumstances) and any person who applies for it has one year to "pick" it up and only the person himself can pick it up. No "procurassoes". I don't think the Consulates are able to do this yet, because the "Cartao de Cidadao" will hold all the data such as, Health Card Number, Fiscal Number, Elector Number, in short, this will avoid a person carrying a number of cards. (Mr. Chip will do the work). I hope the above information will be useful but you can visit the Government Site and collect all the info required. As additional information I can inform you that with these new measures even the "Atribuissao" has become very easy, and one can handle it by himself/herself if major and the parents, specially the one with Portuguese "Assento" if dealing with minors. You may down load Mod 1C and get access to the Forms and instructions. The only obstacle will be the approach with the Portuguese Consulate in Goa to have the application certified, etc., but being a Portuguese National one should make their rights work.(Once it enters the Lisbon Office, it takes less than 3 months.) Those living in the European Union or other countries where the Hague Apostille is in force need not even approch the Portuguese Consulates as long as the Lawyer declares "signed in the presence" and mentions the Hague Apostille. Regards
Re: [Goanet] Days of the Goan Bullock Cart
There are tons and tons of fond memory days of Goa from 1980's and before, One of them rightly brought to us by Tony Fernandes in "DAYS OF THE GOAN BULLOCK CART Thank you Tony... I enjoyed and prefer the slow, susegad Goans lifestyle.it was unique and still remains unique if we realise the importance and LIVE LIFE FULLY attitude... What use is a FASTCAR...which takes ones life ANYTIME and we regret we never lived it as it should be. What use is a MOTORBYKEwhich we kickstartand soon find we do not have legs to kickstart anymore. what use is a MERCEDES/CRV's/COROLLAs(tinted glass)...which keeps our face & heart from anyone to see..and even if it can be seen when we step out or in.. our neighbours will know our face & heart is 'tainted' what use is a TRUCK.which carries away 'MINE' wealth of Goa.From Goa to Japan,China etc.. -Mario Andrew Rodrigues _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx
[Goanet] Statement of GGRM's protest rally in Panjim today
*All Media * *Date: *23 March 2009 *Contact: *Geraldine Fernandes 9822146420 Kim Miranda 9422443855 *GGRM holds protest rally in Panjim City parades effigy of principal actors of Goa’s misrule. * Accompanied by a cross section of villagers from various parts of Goa, the Ganv Ghor Rakhon Manch (GGRM) today assembled outside the office of the Directorate of Panchayats to protest the systematic actions of the Government in undermining the rule of law. The office bearers of GGRM were today accompanied by around 400 villagers from various parts of Goa, including Arpora, Candolim ,Calangute , Nuvem, Nerul, Orlim,Varca ,Khandepar , Benaulim, Davondem, Navelim ,Taleigao, Carmona, San Jose de Areal, Curtorim in their protest against the Government’s disrespect for the rule of law and legal process. Speaking on the occasion, the Convenor of GGRM pointed out that the Ordinance amending the Land Acquisition Act and the Bill proposing an amendment to the Panchayati Raj Act were just two of the many deliberate acts of the Government to undermine the rule of law and the spirit of the Constitution. She pointed out to the offensive Sections 16 and 16A that give the Government powers to act outside the law, she also pointed out to the Regional Plan process that has no legal framework but seems to rest entirely on the word of the Chief Minister. “Amkam Goyant Sarke Kaide Zai”, Bair Marat Ordinance Bair Marat, were some of the slogans that rent the air from the people gathered outside the Directorate of Panchayati Raj in Panjim. The protestors also brought with them an effigy representing the Chief Minister Digambar Kamat, the Leader of the Opposition Manohar Parrikar, and Panchayati Raj Minister Babu Azgaocar, that they beat with sticks and shoes. The creator of the effigy Gajanan Naik from Nerul pointed out that the effigy had no eyes, no ears and no mouth, because like the politicians of Goa, it did not see, hear or speak about the cries of the people of Goa. GGRM has pointed out that this was its last and final warning. GGRM Convenor pointed out that they had met with the Chief Minister ten days ago and presented him with a third memorandum. It has vowed that this will be its last memorandum and had given the Government an ultimatum of 10 days to respond to it , which incidentally expired today . GGRM has promised to initiate actions not only in the capital city of Panjim but all over the State, drawing on the displeasure of the larger citizenry, who while angry are unable to travel the large distances that a few representatives do. “We have presented the Government with three memoranda” indicated the Secretary of the GGRM Kim Miranda, “we have not once received a response from the Government, but on the contrary, through its actions that undermine the legal process and make exceptions to allow its operation outside of law, the Government has given a clear response to the people. The patience of the people is running out.” s/d s/d Geraldine FernandesKim Miranda (Convenor) (Secretary) kindly see the website below for pictures http://picasaweb.google.com/dmellomiranda/2009_03_23?authkey=Gv1sRgCImm5qzL246FkwE # -- --- Read my thoughts at www.dervishnotes.blogspot.com
[Goanet] Skeeter Davis Doesn't Have the Answer - New release!
I've been receiving quite a few polite e-mails from vigilant readers pointing out to me that it was Englebert Humperdinck and not Jim Reeves who sang the song "Release Me". Now let's check. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_Me_(1946_song) - quote -- "Release Me" is a popular song by Eddie Miller, Robert Yount, and Dub Williams, published in 1946. Miller wrote the song in 1946 but could not get anyone to record it for years, so he recorded it himself in 1953. Shortly afterward it was covered by Jimmy Heap, and with even better success by Ray Price and Kitty Wells. Subsequently a big seller was recorded by Little Esther Phillips (#1 on the R&B and pop charts) and the song was also taken to #4 on the pop charts (and #1 in the UK) by Engelbert Humperdinck. - unquote --- I do agree that Engelbert Humperdinck's (1967) version is by far the most popular but please understand that neither was he the original composer nor the first singer of "Release Me". That song has been sung and recorded by a host of singers including Elvis Presley (1970), the Everly Brothers (1963), Dolly Parton (1982) - and I thought, even Jim Reeves. After all it does feature on all Jim Reeves lyric searches. But on a detailed examination of his discography (http://www.lpdiscography.com/r/Reeves/jim1.htm ) I now realise that Jim Reeves didn't actually ever record "Release Me". It seems to be some self-perpetuating myth. For example there's someone who has released his interpretation ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m8TbKbrAJk ) of Jim Reeves cover of "Release Me" - which itself does not exist! I am much obliged to all those who brought this error to my attention and as always am grateful for feedback for my columns. Cheers! Cecil
[Goanet] TWO SEPARATE CASES FILED - ON SAME MATTER -EARLIER DISPOSED.
In an interesting direction the Bombay High Court has ordered action against an Additional Chief Metropolitan Magistrate in Mumbai who pronounced -two orders ON ONE AND THE SAME PETITION ie a) one order handwritten ---stating that “ dispute in view appeared to be civil in nature and that it was totally wrong for the complainant to approach a criminal court” AND b) in another order typed, he stated that it was “ necessary to direct the police to investigate the matter u/s 156(3) Criminal Procedure Code. There is a similar instance of a case in the State of Goa involving unauthorized change of land use u/s 32 of Goa Land Revenue Code 1968 at Borda, Margao, initiated on 28.4.1993, in the Court of Sub Divisional Officer, and Deputy Collector, Sub Division Margao, Mr. Dharmendra, IAS between the Mamlatdar of Salcete, Margao- Complainant and two Landowners one a foreign national of Indian origin residing in Ontario Canada and a Developer ( a relative of an ex-CM and present Minister in the coalition government )- Respondents. The fact of the matter is that the Respondents had carried out construction in the agricultural land at Borda in settlement zone S-1(though this declaration on oath by the Respondents that the construction commenced in 1990 was false as MMC had already granted them Occupancy certificate for two buildings in 1990 itself. Hence construction was obviously carried out much earlier) and applied for change of land use viz sanad of conversion only on 3.9.1992. Thi is a violation of the Goa Land Revenue Code 1968 and rules therof. Disposing of the matter vide order dated 5.9.1996, the then Sub Divisional Officer, and Deputy Collector, Sub Div Margao Mr. A X B Viegas had granted an option to the Respondents under rule 9 of the Code to apply for regularization, if they desired to do so failing which the structures thereon would be demolished. Yet the Respondents did not pursue the order to its logical conclusion. Instead, apparently in connivance with the dealing hands in the revenue Department Govt of Goa and Municipality they simultaneously went ahead with the illegal constructions and allegedly obtained Occupancy certificates for another two buildings in 1992 and 1993 from the Margao Municipal Council while the case was in progress. The veracity of these Occupancy Certificates are being re- examined in March 2009 by the present Chief Officer Margao Municipal Council Mr. Y B Tavade as no notings to that effect appear to have been made on the file concerned. He also examining the other title documents Power of Attorney if any produced by the Respondents to the Margao Municipality and also some other irregularities committed by his predecessor Mr N D Agarwal ex CO MMC (now the Director of Printing Press ) on December 2007. The legal advice tendered to the Municipality by the Municipal Representative Mr S D Padiyar (Adv)and Mr R Lotlikar (Adv) on the matter of amalgamation of plots when the same have not been amalgamated is being scrutinised, as well. The Respondents as a matter of fact claimed to have learnt of the order from the Sub Divisional Officer, and Deputy Collector, Sub Div Margao only on 13.12. 1997 almost a year and quarter later; which implies that dealing hand in the Collectorate did not serve the order to them, nor did they pursue the same within the fifteen days grace period granted to the Respondents by the order. It also transpired that it was only on 30.09.1998 the then Sub Divisional Officer, and Deputy Collector, Sub Div Margao, Mr. H Rajesh Prasad realising that one of the two Respondents was not included, ordered an addendum dated 30.9.1998 to the order dated 5.9.1996 and by another notice dated 12.10.1998 directed the Respondents compliance of the order within 15 days or to face demolition of the unauthorised structures theron. Since most of them were REPEATEDLY transferred it was only later that the then Sub Divisional Officer, and Deputy Collector, Sub Div Margao, Mr. Gokuldas P Naik regularized only part of the illegal structures in partial compliance of the order dated 5.9.1996 and addendum 30.09.1998 but with several irregularities upon one of the Respondents paying the conversion fees and a fine and issued the sanad of conversion on 22.3.1999. When these irregularities were referred to the Department of Vigilance ( a body which is not independent and has to inadvertently toe the bureaucratic line) in July 1999 they observed that there was nothing wrong from the " vigilance angle" and the bureaucrats involved escaped scot free. However later on 24.01.2001 the then Sub Divisional Officer, and Deputy Collector, Sub Div Margao, a promising and upright and known for his no nonsense attitude Mr. Sanjit Rodrigues realizing that there was only part compliance of order dated 5.9.1996 and addendum dated 30.9.1998 and oth
[Goanet] America - A Socialist Economy
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:29:01 -0400 From: Roland Francis Canadian Goanet readers must be having the last laugh after hearing Mario Goveia repeatedly call Canada a socialist economy. Yesterday I read that: AIG one of America's largest corporations is now 80% owned by the government. That takes it to the level of an Indian nationalized bank. There must be countless other US corporations that are in the same predicament as AIG. After all, the US deficit this year is 1.8 trillion dollars. Mario responds: Roland, Surely you know better than most that certain Canadian Goanetters are among the most uninformed about the US than anyone else, and maybe laughing too soon - schadenfreude only goes so far. To begin with, surely you couldn't have missed my opposition to the US being turned into a socialist-like economy by the election of President Obama and his teleprompter, aided and abetted by Democrat majorities in the Legislature as the American pendulum swung to the other side once again. In the meantime, every basket case economy in the world is run on socialist principles and countries around the world are running away from extreme socialism as fast as they can. Even France and Germany and Russia have scoffed at the massive bailout and government intervention plans of President Obama and his teleprompter. Secondly, the number of US corporations that are being bailed out are relatively few in number relative to the US economy, restricted mostly to the financial services and automobile industries, and can be easily counted, not the "countless' number you allege. Perhaps you are unaware that there are some 8,000 banks in the US and a similar number of credit unions, the vast majority of which are not in any trouble and need no bailouts. Also, that over 80% of US jobs are in small and medium sized companies that are not part of any bailout plan. In fact, they are the target of the new president and his teleprompter's higer tax rate plans. Finally, you have seemingly missed the backlash that has already begun in less than two months into this presidency, which means that the days of the new president and his teleprompter's socialist fantasy are already numbered. Here are some credible sources from the liberal or centrist parts of the American political spectrum that may help you understand what is going on: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tainted-money14-2009mar14,0,3702302.story http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-CreditCrisis/idUSTRE52H4FI20090318 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20095.html
[Goanet] Just back from Goa after visiting Colamb, the mining
Hi Samir, Perhaps it was the dust, which for lack of a better word--felled you. We are talking here of as you saw open cast mining. BTW, that's one reason that cruise ships do not show up. I feel one would need qualitative data too. Although I believe that the issue is beyond moot, I hear what you are asking for. At the end of the day, even if one wants to do something, the other side asks for data—which is probably what you are running into. One would think that the govt agencies would have this OR is it just like all the dams, etc., that have been built but practically no data maintained. Other significant and dare I say ONLY indicators to look at would be to look at the fields, health of the children, health of the population, emotional well being (can be measured), silicosis, etc. If the people are being affected then one has to move differently, meaning mine differently. There are profits and there are profits. Alter profit margins. Or we are being Malthusian to say the very very least. Of course any system should look at everything, but if in the end one must put a premium on people. Order the book from the Other India Bookstore. Perhaps others carry it too. Believe its called Sweet Land of Mine. http://www.deccanherald.com/content/Apr272008/editpage2008042664870.asp Talk to Hartman de Souza too. I am sure you will get answers from Mand and other people on the ground too. All the best. venantius From: Samir Kelekar > Subject: [Goanet] Just back from Goa after visiting Colamb, the mining >village > > I am just back from Goa to bangalore. During my trip to Goa, I visited > the mining village of Colamb and had an opportunity to see the mining > devastation. It was probably the heat of the place (Goa is very very hot > these days) which made me fall sick, > and I had to come back to Bangalore without attending the anti-ordinance > meeting which otherwise I would have liked to attend. I am grateful to Rama > Velip and others who showed us around. Thanks to Seby for the contacts. > > Here are my brief observations: > > 1) Stopping mining is obviously going to be a long term struggle. We saw > hundreds of trucks filled with Goan earth going by during our brief visit. > > 2) Is some data available on specifically the effects of mining on water > table, increase in earth's temperature, contribution to global warming etc > ? I am told Sanguem and Quepem provide more than 50% of water to Goa. > How is mining effecting it ? Is there any quantitative data on it ? > > 3) I am told that there is something called legal mining. I can't imagine > that cutting off the mountains and selling them off can be legal in this > age and time. What are the enviromental laws that deal with this, and > I am wondering how legal mining passes the environmental tests. > > I am told Claude has written a book on Goa's mining; if someone can > send me the book, or pass me pointers, that will help. > > I will write more as time passes. > > regards, > Samir > >
[Goanet] Attn: Mr Tomazinho Cardoz - Re: Endangered Languages
Hi Mr. Cardoz, My husband is a linguist, and he is keen on learning more about Konkani. Although I am a native speaker of Konkani, I am not able to tell him much. Please direct me to appropriate contacts, so that he can learn more about Konkani as an endangered language. Best regards, Nympha D'Souza El-Guindy, PhD, MPH Asst. Prof. Medicine & Nutrition 1101 VA Drive, C-304 Lexington, KY 40505 859-233-4511 x 4285
[Goanet] From Kandhamal to Karavali:A fact finding report of nine Human Rights Organisations
http://www.sacw.net/IMG/pdf/Kandhamal-Karavali2008.pdf
[Goanet] Obsession with other people's religion
Santosh Helekar: Please note above the brazen admission that reference was indeed being made to the Hindu community rather than the extremists. Response: One must grant Santosh the credit for maliciously and mischievously twisting and interpreting a sentence taken out of context and giving it a communal colour. Nothing new, standard hindutva tactics, if one may say so. In response to the following statement of Santosh- "The post appended below reveals an obsession with one-sided political activism centered around other people's religion." I had posed the following queries: Does Santosh believe and want us to believe that Hindutva (ideology) and Hinduism (religion) are synonymous? Does Santosh suggest the Hindutva represents hindus and hindu religion? Does Santosh expect us to keep off hindutva activities which affect our common well being and safety if we do not happen to be hindus? Till date Santosh has studiously avoided answering them. I will not be surprised if Santosh does a Barad. I can well understand his predicament. Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Taleigaon Panchyat Elections
Sandeep Heble says that the will of the people counts, and it has spoken in Taleigaon. My sister who stays in Taleigaon tells me that her apt's watchman, a Nepali person, took half day off the other day. When asked why, he said he had to go to Babush's house to pick up his hero bicycle. Obviously, his vote has been bought. Did Taleigaon Bacbhao Andolan take video evidence of things like this and bring it to the notice of the election commission ? Or in other words, what strategy does Babush's opposition have to counter such doles from Babush? Unless one thinks through and evolves a strategy, such election results in my opinion are not surprising. regards, Samir
[Goanet] America - A Socialist Economy
Canadian Goanet readers must be having the last laugh after hearing Mario Goveia repeatedly call Canada a socialist economy. Yesterday I read that: AIG one of America's largest corporations is now 80% owned by the government. That takes it to the level of an Indian nationalized bank. There must be countless other US corporations that are in the same predicament as AIG. After all, the US deficit this year is 1.8 trillion dollars. -- Roland Francis http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com +1 (416) 453.3371
[Goanet] Fw: Need help please - 0 negative blood
Need help please - 0 negative bloodDear Members & Friends, Requested by the family, Mr. DeMello is at the Avenue hospital, Nairobi, Kenya and urgently need blood group O negative. Kindly assist if you can. See message below from family For GWS Joyce From: Valerie de Mello [mailto:y17...@yahoo.ca] Sent: 19 March 2009 15:03 To: y17...@yahoo.ca Subject: Need help please - 0 negative blood Hi, Need your help please. My Dad needs blood (0 NEGATIVE). He is at the AVENUE HOSPITAL (in Parklands) if you can donate immediately and/or please call my sister Louisa who is with him, on cell # 0735 229328. Please could you pass on the word to all your friends and family Thank you, Valerie -- Sharon Noronha Origins Safaris Tel:254 - (0)20 - 2042695/6/7 or 2710171/2/7 Fax:254 - (0)20 - 2042698 or 2710178 Mobiles - Celtel 0735990707 Safaricom 0724253861 Dropping Zone. Drop Box Number 140. Mailing: P.O.Box 48019, Nairobi, Kenya, GPO 00100 Delivery: 5th Floor, Landmark Plaza, Argwings Khodek Road. Email: ad...@originsafaris.info web: http://www.originsafaris.info/ Think of the environment before printing this email!
Re: [Goanet] DAYS OF THE BULLOCK CART IN GOA
Tony, your detailed technical description of the bullock cart in Goa was very impressive. It must remain the standard and referenced reading whenever the Goan bullock cart is revisited by anyone. Ibid Tony Fernandes re bullock cart in Goa, ref Goanet and Goanet Reader Library of Congress catalog 145325412 context Goa, India, bullock cart. Roland. On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Tony Fernandes wrote: > DAYS OF THE GOAN BULLOCK CART > by Tony Fernandes > The 'gaddo' is a 2-wheeled carriage drawn by trained bullocks commonly used > in Goa > till today. It is constructed fully from wood. Its fastest travelling speed > could be > compared to the usual leisurely walk of a steer.
Re: [Goanet] Obsession with other people's religion
--- On Sun, 3/22/09, Mario Goveia wrote: > > I don't think anyone on Goanet, including the Hindus, has > defended the excesses of Hindutva. What they object to > are suggestions Hindutva applies to all Hindus or when they > believe your facts or interpretations are faulty. > >. > > Marshall, with all due respect you are describing yourself, > not to mention your single-minded obsession with Hindutva > and little else. > I would like to thank Mario for clearly expressing what should have been obvious to most reasonably unbiased, impartial and neutral observers on Goanet. I give below recent examples of how the equation of an entire community with an extremist ideology (as well as demonization of detractors) is being carried out in this forum: EXAMPLE 1 "It is but obvious, that reference would be made to the Hindu community as the VHP would be unlikely to attract Indians from other communities." .Marshall Mendonza Please note above the brazen admission that reference was indeed being made to the Hindu community rather than the extremists. EXAMPLE 2 "Does Santosh believe and want us to believe that Hindutva (ideology) and Hinduism (religion) are synonymous? Does Santosh suggest the Hindutva represents hindus and hindu religion? Does Santosh expect us to keep off hindutva activities which affect our common well being and safety if we do not happen to be hindus?" Please note the political tactic of asking rhetorical questions to manufacture a guilt by association, spelled out in the following abusive reference to detractors. EXAMPLE 3 "I hope he does not do a Barad again." .Marshall Mendonza Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Nuns treated like servants by priests
Aires, to be fair to Fr Ivo, it is you who must quote or refer to the "offending" passage of the Bible and then let him either put that passage in context, or let him defend what I am sure you consider the 'indefensible'. There are many interpretations of the Bible. Not everything seems to be what one can discern from the first reading. There is a layman's interpretion, a scholarly interpretation and a believer's interpretation. There is no wrong and no right here, it is what you want to understand. I would be interested to join the discussion once you have pointed out what seems to you the passages that demean women. I sincerely hope you will confine yourself to the New Testatment. That is more relevant to us, rather than the Old Testament which 1) Christ came to improve upon and 2) which you have to understand in a much deeper perspective than the later books of the New. As for Fr Ivo saying the Bible can never be wrong, again I would put the onus on you to tell us which passages are "wrong". Roland Francis http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com +1 (416) 453.3371 On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Aires Cabral wrote: > Many priests are chauvinists. It is no surprise that they treat the nuns > like servants . After all there are several passages in the Bible which > demean women, and these are used by these priests to treat women as third > class citiziens ( second class citiziens are lay men).Can Fr Ivo enlighten us > with his comments in the matter. After all he has said in one of his comments > that the Bible is newer wrong! > -- Roland Francis http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com +1 (416) 453.3371
[Goanet] All India Children Chess Tournament on 2 & 3 May 2009.
23 March 2009 *Press Note* Sub : *All India Children Chess Tournament on 2 & 3 May 2009. * Renewal of affiliation of Taleigao Chess Academy Sports Club(TCA) by Goa State Chess Association(GSCA) Sir, Taleigao Chess Academy Sports Club is organising All India Children Chess Tournament on 2 & 3 May 2009 at Shri Yogeshwari Mandir, Bicholi in association with others. Tournament venue Shri Yogeshwari Mandir, Kulan, Sarvan, (Near Adhar Hospital) Bicholi Goa. Tournament will be in three category 1. Under 8 boys/girls child born or after 1st Jan.2001 2. Under 10 boys/girls child born or after 1st Jan.1999 3. Under 12 boys/girls child born or after 1st Jan.1997 Tournament will commence on 2nd May afternoon. Each player will play minimum 6 round. Rounds will be preferably for 2 hours. Tournament Swiss league system Affiliation of Taleigao Chess Academy Sports Club(TCA) has been renewed by Goa State Chess Association(GSCA) For detail contact Sanjay Vinayak Barve, Secretary Taleigao Chess Academy Sports Club on 2451143, mobile 9403176657. With Regards, Secretary (Sanjay Vinayak Barve) 9403176657
[Goanet] Just back from Goa after visiting Colamb, the mining village
I am just back from Goa to bangalore. During my trip to Goa, I visited the mining village of Colamb and had an opportunity to see the mining devastation. It was probably the heat of the place (Goa is very very hot these days) which made me fall sick, and I had to come back to Bangalore without attending the anti-ordinance meeting which otherwise I would have liked to attend. I am grateful to Rama Velip and others who showed us around. Thanks to Seby for the contacts. Here are my brief observations: 1) Stopping mining is obviously going to be a long term struggle. We saw hundreds of trucks filled with Goan earth going by during our brief visit. 2) Is some data available on specifically the effects of mining on water table, increase in earth's temperature, contribution to global warming etc ? I am told Sanguem and Quepem provide more than 50% of water to Goa. How is mining effecting it ? Is there any quantitative data on it ? 3) I am told that there is something called legal mining. I can't imagine that cutting off the mountains and selling them off can be legal in this age and time. What are the enviromental laws that deal with this, and I am wondering how legal mining passes the environmental tests. I am told Claude has written a book on Goa's mining; if someone can send me the book, or pass me pointers, that will help. I will write more as time passes. regards, Samir
[Goanet] Nuns treated like servants by priests
Many priests are chauvinists. It is no surprise that they treat the nuns like servants . After all there are several passages in the Bible which demean women, and these are used by these priests to treat women as third class citiziens ( second class citiziens are lay men).Can Fr Ivo enlighten us with his comments in the matter. After all he has said in one of his comments that the Bible is newer wrong!
[Goanet] Guess who's on Facebook?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Our-Mother-of-Perpetual-Help/38122663867?ref=nf -- FN * http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com M +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://twitter.com/fn On Facebook: http://www.new.facebook.com/people/Frederick-Noronha/502514643
[Goanet] FRIDAY BALCAO:Participatory Finance:Peoples say in Village Panchayat & Municipal Budgets.
- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO - Dear Cybergaonkars on Goanet, We continue with FRIDAY BALCAO on 27th March from 4pm. to 6pm. at Goa Desc Resource Centre No.11, Liberty Apartments, Feira Alta, Mapusa Goa. TOPIC: From participatory planning to participatory finance: Peoples say in Village Panchayat & Municipal Budgets. SPEAKER: Rahul Goswami - economist & journalist. We invite you to express your viewpoint by attending the Friday Balcao event but if you cannot attend, then please send your views and action plan suggestions by post to FRIDAY BALCAO Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507 or by email to goad...@bsnl.in best wishes, Roland Martins --- Don't miss out on the discussion. Information is power, Share it equitably. Lets make things happen in Goa !! --- GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:goad...@bsnl.in --- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy =
[Goanet] Days of bullock cart in Goa
Thank you Tony Fernandes for bringing in a flood of fond memories about bullock carts in Goa. One thing I wanted to ask was these well greased axle and wheels what sort of grease did they use? I have a funny feeling it was the sap from caju seeds (the outer cover) which was pounded and made into a sticky pulp. I took a ride in one of the bullock cart with other British tourist in 2004. And all of us agreed it was fun. Regards Ignatius Fernandes. _ All your Twitter and other social updates in one place http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/
[Goanet] Tony Fernandes... and the Goan bullock cart (Goanet highlights by Selma Carvalho)
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ Goanet highlights by Selma Carvalho _/ Feedback to se...@goanet.org _/ Discuss these issues via goa...@goanet.org _/ Goanet, 14 years of volunteer initiatives. Since 1994. _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ The star post this week comes from Tony Fernandes who reminisces about the Goan bullock cart, in an essay titled “Days of the Bullock cart in Goa.” http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175569.html According to a UNESCO report, India tops the list of countries with endangered languages. Tomazinho Cardozo shares his concerns about the precarious position Konkani finds itself in. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175556.html Claude Alvares illustrates an exercise undertaken by the village of Parra with respect to the RP2021 and how they came up with viable solutions. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175544.html Venantius Pinto comments on a media report, titled “Nuns treated like servants by priests.” Pinto says, nuns have always been treated shabbily, this is no state secret. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175537.html Seby Rodrigues keeps us informed about Goa police activities in the mining village of Colomb. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175483.html Cecil Pinto takes a humourous look at the Cidade the Goa ordinance, a Goan medley of Jim Reeves songs. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175459.html Goanet Reader brought us Saibinn, a short story by Jose Lourenco. Saibinn is the tradition of bring into your home the encased statuette of Our Lady of Perpetual Succour and venerating her with song and worship. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175400.html An excellent article this week was by Jason Keith Fernandes commenting on issues of caste which still plague Goan society to this day. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175392.html Selma Carvalho introduced us to a Goan General Manoel Antonia de Sousa who was a force to be reckoned in with in Africa, during the late 1800s. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175366.html Mervyn Lobo gave us more shocking historical details about the man. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175394.html Venita Coelha, the Accidental Activist, gives us the Common man’s guide to the Ordinance. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175374.html JoeGoaUK brings us an unusual picture of Lord Ganesha riding a peacock. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175356.html Speaking from experiences of Goans in the Gulf, while Selma Carvalho feels the achievement of Gulf Arabs have been unparallel in recent history: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175336.html Mario Goveia rebuts contending that Arabs are successful only when “liberated” by America. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175347.html In a post titled, “Trinidad-Goa same same” Hartman de Sousa ponders on whether Goa is going by way of Trinidad in terms of environmental degradation. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/175329.html -- "The information is not the problem. The problem is with the design." - Edward Tufte
[Goanet] Days of the Goan Bullock Cart
I must say I enjoyed Tony Fernandes's reminisces of the Eco-friendlyGoan ghaddo. It took me back to the day, some 3 years ago, when I just couldn't resist the temptation of hitching a ride on one of these carts from my ancestral home to the local shop(posro), much to the amusement of my neighbours and other lookers-on. Have a photo to prove this! Mervyn Maciel --
[Goanet] Not a Konkani Writer? Now speak your heart out
Dear Friends, This is to inform you that I will be launching a new Audio Recording service on RadioGoa and Goamag this week.I have dreamed about doing something like this for a long time,but technology of the day did not permit to do so. Recording your comments ,music or any other form of audio right from your browser and posting them with a click of a button for listeners to hear them. No need to have expensive recording and bit conversion software.Do this with a few clicks ,right from your browser.RadioGoa has teamed up with Vimas technologies to bring you this state of the art technology. These Comments or commentary will be published on http://www.GoaMag.net after moderation.I have just launched the demo and preview on RadioGoa.net. Do check it out. If You have a Microphone on your PC.You are ready to broadcast ! Dont know to write in Konkani? No excuses now. Go ahead.Speak your mind out.Post voice comments in Konkani, no Devanagri or Roman script issue.Say it loud and say it clear.Your accent,your expressions,your language.Pour your emotions out.Speak out on issues you feel strongly about for the World to hear.The best selection will be broadcast on RadioGoa too, while all Audio comments will be available on Goamag.net Create your own programmes and talk shows right from your browser.Or perhaps read daily news for RadioGoa and keep listeners updated on happenings in Goa and abroad.Jokes in Konkani are welcome.Got a knack for singing?Broadcast yourself via RadioGoa. Audio Comments:An unique way to leave voice comments for listeners.Visitors to the site will be able to hear you shout,scream and cry your opinions.A few spoken sentences is worth a thousand written words.So what are you waiting for? Go ahead and try it for yourself. All Audio postings will be moderated before they appear for public listening on GoaMag and RadioGoa.The Editor reserves the right to reject any Audio. Posting without giving any reason. . This full service will be launched on Easter Day.Till then, Let me thank you for your support as always Dev Borem Korunk Benedict -- RadioGoa.net Keeping The Konkani Culture Alive ! Worldwide Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
[Goanet] Fw: The Democratic Process.
- Original Message - From: Albert Da Cruz To: goanet-request Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Fw: The Democratic Process. Thought mingh be of interest. Regards Albert Da Cruz Perth Western Australia - Original Message - From: Albert Da Cruz To: goafoundat...@gmail.com Cc: saligaonet Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: The Democratic Process. Dear Claude, It was good to read your contribution to town planning issues which were well researched, and clearly explained. This should serve as a blueprint for all those who are engaged in this activity which appears to have the hall mark of the democratic processes in action. It is quite clear that your scholarly treatment of the subject was the result of much consultation with qualified professionals and informed village leaders. I have just returned from a short holiday in Saligao and was impressed with the zeal and interest the villagers showed in their environment. Alas there was a mismatch between the concern expressed and the state of the environment. Disposal of garbage is a major issue of concern for all the villagers all around Goa. Your solution seems to be both practical and efficient. On my earlier visit to Goa I was very impressed with a Mangrove society display of ways and means of developing composting methods. In particular I was impressed with the worm farm on display. On enquiring the source of the worms I was told that they came from Saligao. However, I was a little surprised that no effort was made to generate compost by using simple worm farm techniques in the village. There is so much expertise and knowledge around but sadly it is not translated into useful environmental control activities. I felt the same about the brilliant work done by the Oceanic Institute in Donna Paula when I visited there some time ago, that there was no facilities to bring to the wider community news about their work and their research findings. Although we have very efficient garbage collection facilities in Perth, a number of households either collectively or individually use worm farms to compost vegetable and paper materials and help grow vegetables in the backyard, using trickle irrigation. At least we now feel that we can be assured that we have clean vegetables free of any chemical treatments and home grown. Your structured and well reasoned and research document will I hope inspire others to contribute in a like manner. Best wishes Albert Da Cruz Perth Western Australia.
[Goanet] DAILY GROOK #356
DAILY GROOK #356 __ LONE MOAN __ by Francis Rodrigues if marooned u rot 'cos ur boat sank sorry, u only got yourself to yank! _ puns & word-play of all kinds, hey...read between the lines! _ _ Reunite with the people closest to you, chat face to face with Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650736
[Goanet] Taleigao Panchayat Elections
Against all odds, the Panel backed by the Taleigao MLA Babush Monserate swept the Taleigao Panchayat elections, winning 11 out of 11 seats. While the Panel was certainly expected to win by a comfortable majority, nobody had expected it to register such a thumping victory. Although the Taleigao Bachao Abhiyan preferred to remain apolitical and did not get involved in the election process directly, the sweeping victory is certainly a setback to them and to the various issues they stood for like the Taleigao ODP, the Cidade de Goa Ordinance, etc. Through this victory, Mr. Monserate proved that he is the undisputed king of Taleigao. In a democracy, the will of the people is supreme. By electing the Panel of Mr. Monserate, the people of Taleigao have - to use Jason Keith's own words - just kissed goodbye to the conservation laws and have approved high rise structures in their village. If that is what they want, that is what they will get. Many were asking why Parrikar stayed away and refused to address a single rally. Now we all know why. He was smart enough and read clearly the writing on the wall. With the outcome known well in advance, who would want to get in bad books with Monserate? The victory Rally is doing the rounds in the city. For the next 5 years, the will of Mr. Monserate, the undisputed King of Taleigao, will be supreme. Jai Ho! Cheers, Sandeep
[Goanet] 2000 Nurses for Ministry of Health (MOH), Kuwait
GULF-GOANS e-NEWSLETTER (since 1994) 2000 Nurses for MOH, Kuwait Ministry of Health, State of Kuwait is now receiving applications for Staff Nurses/ Male/Female who are holders of Bachelor of Nursing or 3 years diploma in Nursing after the Higher Secondary School with minimum experience of 3 years. Applications are received personally from the concerned staff nurse at Department of Nursing Administration, near Chest Hospital, Sabah area, during working days from Sunday 29th March 2009 till 12th April 2009 at 8.00 am to 12.00 noon. Documents to be submitted 1. Curriculum Vitae 2. Copy of Qualification in Nursing 3. Copy of Nursing Curricula with mark sheet, year-wise 4. Copy of Higher Secondary School Certificate 5. Copy of Nursing license from the country the staff nurse was working. 6. Photocopy of Registration Certificate, if available. 7. Copy of experience certificate. 8. Copy of Valid Passport and 2 photographs (6X4 size) 9. Not more than 35 years of age for female staff nurse and 45 years of age for male staff nurse. Requirements: a. The applicant should submit the application to the Ministry of Health in person. b. Candidate should pass the written examination c. Candidate should pass the oral examination also Successful candidates should undergo: Medical Examination, Verification of qualification certificates (through Ministry of higher Education) Any other legal formalities deemed necessary for the Ministry of Health. (As published in Kuwait's English dailies) Goa World Goa Mog Goa SuRaj Super Goa (em Português) TGF Writers' Sketchpad www.colaco.net www.goa-world. .com/goa/ music/ - The Online Music Station for KONKANI Mahableshwar http://www.mahables hwar.com St. Mary's School - Mt Abu, Rajasthan India http://www.abusms. com http://www.goa-dc.com/flvvid/ikonkani.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTduCJkQNiQ GOA MAG ONLINE http://www.goamag.net http://mumbaihangout.org/radio/ Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the cheapest of the pleasures costs nothing and conveys much. It pleases him who gives and him who receives, and thus, like mercy, it is twice blessed. ~Erastus Wiman~
[Goanet] Tolleabandh Illegal Migrant Structures
It is appalling that vested interests are trying to communalise the Tolleabandh demolition issue. Surely, these Anti-Goans are only interested in migrant vote banks for manipulating democracy; so as to ensure their continuance in power and realise their huge illegitimate profits, via the destruction of Goa & its Identity. Migrant’s illegalities in Benaulim and other parts of Goa should be razed down; Goans today can't find land for themselves and worse, legitimate land owned by Goans, is being handed over to non-goan migrants, to set up illegal structures. While I full appreciate that Tolerance is the need of the hour to make the world a better place, I want to put tolerance into a correct perspective for Goa. Nobody today can dispute the enormous tolerance & hospitality exhibited by Goans in Goa, simply with the fact that 40% of the population of Goa is Non-Goan; I would like for the critics to compare this, with the demographics of other states in India. To drive home my point, say for instance in the homes that we live in, we can be very tolerant & hospitable to our guests or any person for that matter, but does this mean that we should give away our homes to the said people? Surely nobody will agree to this, not even the anti-goan critics. Arwin Mesquita (UAE) -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ Please also see related Blogs: 1) http://www.bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/ 2) http://www.mandgoa.blogspot.com/ -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ Please also see related Blogs: 1) http://www.bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/ 2) http://www.mandgoa.blogspot.com/
