[Goanet] STT: Letting death take away someone just like that?
STT: Letting death take away someone just like that? The funeral I attended recently, disturbed my peace of mind. Why him? Why so young? Was it avoidable? Didn’t get right medical help at right time? Did we take things for granted? Over worked or over stretched? Our parents are also to busy to look after their children? Friends, family, neigbours etc did not bother just because they or the deceased was well to do? Take this for example, the young tiatrist. Who performed in his tiatr just 5 days before his death Performed on 11, 12 & 13th Oct – then 14,15,16 & 17 spent in hospital (died on 17th Oct evening). Death was neither by road accident nor by drowning nor it a suicide or a murder. Nor it was by any modern killer diseases like Cancer, HIV, H1N1 etc Did not get or seek right medical help at right time (?) Seen in this clip 4 times at 0.09, 1.41, 3.16 & 6.50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUxxRX6Tsok Pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr3/4021071646/ Hope we learn something from this particularly those living all by themselves e.g. away from their family (outside Goa/Abroad) Please take care of yourselves Don’t let Death take you or someone just like that joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc Try the new Yahoo! India Homepage. Click here. http://in.yahoo.com/trynew
[Goanet] Hi!
Hi! Can anyone who knows, please tell me if there is any Mexican Restaurant here in North Goa? Thanks. Lian
[Goanet] PIG'S DELIGHT
The short poem by Dadaji gives me an idea. I hear that the Gattis are poluting the fields with their blatent ignorance of basic sanitary procedures. Graham Green the famous author had travelled through India and had landed in Goa and of course observed first hand the sanitary and recycling methods that were in use in Goa, namely our pig cleaned toilets. He was so impressed with the sanitation in Goa which, though primitive and to a certain extent disgusting, still ranked as the foremost in cleanliness in the whole of India. He suggested in his book that India would do well to emulate the example of the Goan sanatiry system. I wish the Gattis would learn something from this and not turn our sanitary Goa into one big toilet as they have turned Bombay (Mumbai) into. In fact we could ask them to leave Goa and institute this system in areas where they came from. It would beneift them in two ways. They will have a sanitary system and the pigs will then provide them with meat and perhaps they can also learn to prepare and sell Goinche Cherisam. Manuel (Eddie) Tavares duk...@bell.net
[Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot?
Gabe Menezes writes: "RESPONSE: I have read Sabdeep Heble's article, I believe both of you have misread the article. Sandeep is crying out loud that the BJP are no longer a credible oppositionnot that he is against the BJP." --- My Response: Gabe, Different people may have interpreted my post differently(Check out another response from elsewhere appended below) but you are way off the track. I have no love or sympathy for any of our Political Parties in the present set-up. I have clearly attacked the policies of the BJP, particularly their model of “Hindutva”, holding it responsible for riots, violence, assaults on our ‘Freedom of Expression’ and for taking India backwards. After their recent electoral defeats, the top BJP leaders will probably converge at their own “Chintan Baithaks”, where they will introspect and frame fresh policies for the future. Going by past experiences, there are two alternate roads which they could chart, one of them being pursuing “Hindutva” even more vigorously. Now if the party aggressively pursues their skewed interpretation of Hindutva, such a road can only be disastrous to the Nation. I have suggested the other alternative: that the Party must re-invent itself on modern secular liberal principles if it wishes to exist in the realities of today's world. A reformed strong opposition Party on such principles will most certainly be in India's interests. Else, as Vivian has aptly observed, India could move back towards the Emergency Era. Cheers Sandeep - Why the BJP Lotus is sinking!..by anonymous Does the Indian Youth really have an imagination? Whether in art, music, cinema, literature, philosophy; the average Indian 'university educated' youth comes as a cropper. Education is not for education's sake but a job. (Pay) package is the most common word at the tip of job hungry youngsters. They are content with being software coolies and all nite BPOs. The degree of ignorance on political issues is equally shocking. Consider the case of Sandeep Hebleji. He is tempted to identify with someone like Rahul Gandhi, a 40 yr old 'young' leader of whom we knew practically nothing until a couple of yrs back. Recall prior to the elections his claim that he would "finish off terrorism in 15 days" Rahul Gandhi like his mother [of whose background we know little either] does not appear for TV or print interviews. But youth like Sandeep Heble have identified in him the messiah of Indian politics, all, I presume at 'face value' The new gen leaders are not self created, they all have risen from the ashes of their political heavyweight fathers. "Mere mare hue baap ke naam par mujhe vote do!" has been their common refrain. And, Rahul Mahajan is NOT a BJP leader BJP did not get its first state government until 1989 but riots in India have been ubiquitous since the 14th century. The mind of the dhimmi is actually not averse to violence, as long as his community is the victim. People of all other races may have the divine sanction to violence, but the Hindu must eschew from the same. India today has the highest number of hungry people in the planet, thanks to Heble's favourite party. It is a cruel joke that in a nation where writing an Anti-Islamic article can land you in jail, we have "Hindus" like Heble who defend the right to freedom of expression of a perverted Muslim artist. In Goa itself, more than 500 temples have been desecrated in the last ten years At a time, when Hindu cultural practices are endangered by the pernicious practices of the pseudosecular 'minority' appeasing state, Heble's only concern is protection of the minority practices, including such exalted practices like prostelytization, radicalization, polygamy, overpopulation amongst others. The BJP, is of course, second to none when it comes to backing caste based quotas and this is where it lost all credibility to being a party with a difference, especially when it backed OBC quota bill. The insinuation that the BJP has some upper caste agenda is a propaganda piece straight from the Congress headquarters. It is because of Hindutva that India retains a semblance of Hinduness in the 21st century. Or else, our fate would have been like the Goans who were Portuguese slaves until they were liberated by the Indian state.
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1121
My Dear Mr. Mario Goveia, I have been observing for the last few days that there are many of our fellow Christians who are in the habit shouting their lungs horse of the great Christian virtues left to them as inheritance by the Portuguese . The so called self appointed guardians of Christian Virtues and Goan Culture are wolves in sheep's clothing who are hell-bent on destroying the great Goan Christian Values of Tolerance . Goan's have been noted to be a peace loving community as a whole and hence have been welcomed no matter where ever they may go. Let us not degenerate ourselves , Lower our values ( Virtues) to those of our lowly self appointed guardians of Goan & Christian virtues. Let us be more Christ like and not respond to their senseless allegations, but turn the other cheek as Christ advised. . The hollow , senseless accusations / self proclaimed virtues of the self appointed guardians / representative show how empty minds are the devils work shop. Full of hate, jealousy and malice and always ready to spread it. They seem to have forgotten the ten commandments also ( Never take the name of your Lord your God in wain. ) DEV BOREM KORUM. If they cannot respect God , then you cannot expect them to respect his creation too.( You). Dear Moderator please ensure that this site is one that gets goans together and not one which drives them apart .
[Goanet] STOP MANIPULATING THE POLICE
At a time when Goa’s crime barometer is on a steep ascending mode it is even more important to have an independent police force. But with political interference in their selection, promotion and transfer, the Goa police are obviously unable to deliver. We have a lot of good and smart police officers but unfortunately their brains and investigative skills are in the custody of the politicians whose line they have to tow. The Police lack the will to investigate because of political pulls and pressures. Law and order is the key to Goa’s prosperity and well-being. If immediate corrective steps are not taken, we may reach a point of no return. The Government should also investigate the causes of crime. Unless we have the vision and spine to get to the root of the problem, any superficial steps would be merely cosmetic. The Police should be given a free hand to investigate but today Ministers and MLAs virtually control and manipulate the police stations in their constituencies leaving the police officers, with no role to play except to dance to the tunes of those in power. To curb the rising crime rate we need good police investigation followed by an aggressive prosecution and deterrent sentencing but the sun seems to be shining for the perpetrators of crime. Aires Rodrigues Ribandar
[Goanet] Land-holding Britons being harassed, says top British official
Would George Pinto care to comment? Title: Land-holding Britons being harassed, says top British official Source: Times of India 24 October 2009 By Alexandre Moniz Barbosa. Excerpts: Britons holding property in Goa are facing harassment said British deputy high commissioner Vicki Treadell . The issue of Britons holding property in Goa and "losing their property and investments" arose when rules were changed in Goa in 2007 . Slated for next month is a meeting of the CM and senior officials with members of the British deputy high commission to discuss the issue. It is only in Goa that Britons face the problem. Full text, 519 words, at http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Land-holding-Britons-being- harassed-says-top-British-official/articleshow/5155492.cms See also: 20 Sep. 2009. The Sunday Times (UK). By Nicola Smith. Hundreds of Britons may lose their holiday homes and life savings in Goa after falling foul of changes in local laws and scams by builders and lawyers. Full text, 846 words at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6841248.ece Eddie Fernandes
[Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot?
Selma Carvalho: I think a definition of who exactly is an alarmist depends entirely on which end of the stick one is on. Response: Selma, you have put it very aptly. 'He who wears the shoes knows where it pinches' I am reminded time and again of the words of the Rev Martin Niemoller about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group. First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. First it was the muslims, then the christians, now ordinary secular minded hindus (Margao blasts). This is the ideology of the hindutva forces being carried out to its logical conclusions. Yet there are still many amongst us who cannot see the wood for the trees. Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Subject: BOMBAY - UNION TERRITORY - NOT MARATHA-MAHARASHTRA
Daniel F lays out a comprehensive and thoughtful system of representation and reform of the Indian Political system. It is indeed one which if adopted could lead to progress and prosperity in India. I would add that persons elected to any office should declare their wealth with proof of its origin when the person is incumbant in office and should be required to declare his wealth on relinquishing the office with proof of any fluctuations in wealth. This will ensure that they are held accountable. I agree that Bombay should be declared Union Territory under the Central Government thus ensuring its independance from any state interferance and preserving its place as India's centre of commerce and industry. Manuel ( Eddie) Tavares duk...@bellinet
Re: [Goanet] Motorbikes, two-wheelers...
Fred, I'm not too sure how you can say that pubic transportation in Goa is bad. I can pretty much travel to any location in Goa without having to rely on personal transportation. If you want bad public transportation, come to America! On the other hand, public transportation may not necessarily be an effective model here given the sprawling nature of its cities and the availability of cheap land. Marlon - Original Message From: Frederick Noronha To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 5:53:40 PM Subject: [Goanet] Motorbikes, two-wheelers... One in five people in Malaysia have a moped or motorbike. Greece also has the second-highest proportion of two-wheeler ownership in the world (Public Radio International, Oct 19, 2009). Wonder how Goa would rate if judged on this scale? Higher than Malaysia? Does this reflect in the high accident rates (what with Goanetter Aires Rodrigues campaigning against helmets, etc)? Or is it also a reflection of the abysmal public transportation here? Or both?
[Goanet] Goa news for October 24, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Couple receives compensation for death of their baby - Baby Chums ospital-pays-NRG-160-lakh/articleshow/5125884.cms&usg=AFQjCNH4oHrz_p5YEbjlDmjjL5gGqrNnzg">UK hospital pays NRG 1.60 lakh http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.babychums.com/2009/10/couple-receives-compensation-for-death-of-their-baby/&usg=AFQjCNGynAS_VROddjCHamJSv83-ENQ8lw *** Goa Police deny arresting serial killer, reproach media - Hindustan Times olice-nab-two-more-close-to-solving-serial-killer-mystery/529824/&usg=AFQjCNFeYZ8wBs23v-pHA_tufm8e2pZiIw">Goa police nab two more, close to solving 'serial killer' mystery http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/Goa-Police-deny-arresting-serial-killer/H1-Article1-466037.aspx&usg=AFQjCNGWlwowl7e0_IwvRdyFJfOKYYODEA *** India downplays fresh Israeli travel advisory - Times of India 790814,00.html&usg=AFQjCNG_nfcQVFtj9X07XwKSRo9QQ204AA">Anti-terror bureau warns of possible attacks on Israelis in India http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-downplays-fresh-Israeli-travel-advisory/articleshow/5132790.cms&usg=AFQjCNEKKdh0teK3gs6x_JiGoKMfYQqWHw *** Sanatan Saunstha responsible for Goa blast, says minister - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: Goa Home Minister Ravi Naik said the Sanatan Saunstha organisation was responsible for the low intensity blast in Margao town on Friday night, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Sanatan-Saunstha-responsible-for-Goa-blast-says-minister/articleshow/5133357.cms&usg=AFQjCNHwo2iQyYR2uJRvuKlbkexqYiHtgg *** I-League Preview: Sporting Clube de Goa - Pune FC - Goal.com eague Diwali special, Sporting Clube de Goa take on Pune FC, with both sides desperately needing a victory... Both Sporting Clube de Goa and Pune ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/1064/i-league/2009/10/17/1565524/i-league-preview-sporting-clube-de-goa-pune-fc&usg=AFQjCNHaImteHYE1-3W2kxBIWgdgRcREsA *** 2 held in Virar for Goa murders - Hindustan Times erial-killings--2-Goans-arrested-from-Mumbai&usg=AFQjCNHlT-etOURK7zELY24Jl6g3gNpMdw">Goa serial killings: 2 Goans arrested from Mumbai http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/2-held-in-Virar-for-Goa-murders/H1-Article1-466308.aspx&usg=AFQjCNEmvs7Q_O2cQ72CRIJDp4XBAUVqFg *** Goa offshore casino official arrested with prostitute - Thaindian.com asino-vice-president-held-under-immoral-trafficking-act_1299721&usg=AFQjCNFyTKXYpMPpOs1s7q8_26UyasdZNg">Goa casino vice-president held under Immoral Trafficking Act http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/goa-offshore-casino-official-arrested-with-prostitute_100261543.html&usg=AFQjCNEhm5BeHapbFq1tkswuWIRo6uUzRg *** Is the return of the Goa Panchayati Raj Bill, 2009 to the government a victory ... - Times of India onsideration of the legislature. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://o3.indiatimes.com/mytimes/archive/2009/10/16/4979992.aspx&usg=AFQjCNExSmhOtcw6a2UQOXKYUS5tKIqCvQ *** Anti-Gun ObamaCare Now Moves to the Senate Floor - AmmoLand.com (press release) TaJv3ybgyzjM">and more » http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://www.ammoland.com/2009/10/16/anti-gun-obamacare-now-moves-to-the-senate-floor/&usg=AFQjCNF0hhEgINtqH-PtCUtPJ5E8IYP5yA *** Central team visits N Goa - Times of India ember central team for calamity damage assessment, arrived in Goa on Thursday afternoon and along with representatives of various state ...http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Central-team-visits-N-Goa/articleshow/5129662.cms&usg=AFQjCNGxqv5eza6Z2AP5oPnjBjOER870mg Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Religious make-up of Goa Was: BRITISH UNITED INDIA AND HINDUS.
Okay, here goes... but knowing Mario, he would probably rake up some other debate when faced with the figures! António de Noronha, who incidentally was a Free Mason, writing in Os Indús de Goa e a República Portuguesa (1922) says: Of its 500 thousand inhabitants (according to the census of 1910, the listed population rose to 540,551), more or less 250,000 are catholic christians and 220,000 are hindus. [Page 1] Quoted from the 2008 translation by Ave Cleto Afonso, under the title 'The Hindus of Goa and the Portuguese Republic'. [This was in the early 20th century.] This is just a matter of detail, and I do not subscribe that economic, political and social clout come from numbers alone; or that people share the same economic (and other) interests merely because they share the same religion. FN > 2009/10/21 Mario Goveia : > > As far as I can tell, Christians never exceeded 50% > > of the population in Goa. > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:44:04 +0530 > From: Frederick Noronha > I think you have your facts grossly wrong on this. > Mario responds: > You "think"??? Since when does your "thinking" > make me grossly wrong? > Why don't you check out my assertion that > Christians in Goa never exceeded 50% of the > population, and let us know? -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism Goa,1556: http://goa1556.goa-india.org
Re: [Goanet] BRITISH UNITED INDIA AND HINDUS.
2009/10/21 Mario Goveia : > As far as I can tell, Christians never exceeded 50% of the population in > Goa. Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:44:04 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha I think you have your facts grossly wrong on this. Mario responds: You "think"??? Since when does your "thinking" make me grossly wrong? Why don't you check out my assertion that Christians in Goa never exceeded 50% of the population, and let us know? Fred wrote: Though I don't believe that people share a common interest just because of a shared religion, or that religious identities are the only identities we have. Mario responds: Fred, if you had taken the time to read the post by Marcus D'Souza about Christian dominated areas, you would know he wasn't talking about "common interest just because of a shared religion". He was talking about "Christian dominated areas" now being lost to "Hindu domination". My response was that Goa only "seemed" like a Christian dominated area because of the Christian's who had invaded it and occupied it for 450 years. We know for sure this benefited Goan Christians far more than Goan Hindus as a generality. Fred wrote: Likewise, numbers alone are not necessarily the only indicator of influence ... (e.g. number of Indian-Americans in the US -- 1% of the total population; Parsis in India about a hundred thousand or so, or Saraswat Brahmins in Goa). Mario responds: These communities hardly matter when it comes to electoral politics, though they make be able to buy some undue influence among certain politicians.
[Goanet] MARGAO-NEWS: Ban Sanatan Sanstha, citizens' panel tells govt (long)
Ban Sanatan Sanstha, citizens' panel tells govt TNN 23 October 2009, 02:16am IST MARGAO: `Citizens for secularism and communal harmony', at its meeting held in Margao on Thursday, unanimously demanded that the government impose a ban on the Sanatan Sanstha, and that its premises be sealed and assets frozen. "The antecedents and past activities of the Sanatan Sanstha should also be scanned and their possible links with other extremist organizations investigated. Their possible involvement in other anti-social activities, particularly the spate of temple desecrations, should also be checked," the resolution reads. Social activist and former convenor of the Goa Bachao Abhiyan (GBA), Oscar Rebelo, in a spirited eloquence, urged the people to overcome the ideology of hate, as professed by Sanatan Sanstha, with the intrinsic power of human values. "I am convinced that the intrinsic power of wisdom, love and morality contained in the Hindu religion, will defeat this ideology of hate. As a born Catholic, I salute this religion (for its potential to overcome such negative tendencies and harmful ideologies). A day will also come when a Muslim will defeat the al-Qaida. This is the beauty of humanity. The politics of hate should be killed at the family level itself (by refraining from passing adverse comments on other religions in our homes). We will be heading towards the end of the civilization, if we do not get our act together," Rebelo warned. He further held the Sanatan Sanstha responsible for exerting adverse influence on young radical minds by using vile language in its periodicals, that eventually leads them to adopt ways of terror. Uday Bhembre, speaking on the occasion, called upon the government to ban the Sanstha as there was overwhelming evidence of its complicity in the bomb blast case. Mohandas Loliencar, in his speech, alleged that the Sanatan Sanstha was "trying to make Goa a laboratory to foment communal discord in society." Pradeep Kakodkar, expressing his views, said that all "acts of fanaticism need to be condemned and not politicized." "Terrorism knows no religion, and it's a mistake to brand any terrorist as belonging to any particular religion," he added. Francisco Colaco urged the people to oppose all divisive forces to ensure that the communal harmony of the state was not disturbed. "Every religion teaches to live in love and harmony, which has been the hallmark of Goa for centuries. We need to preserve this identity of Goa at all costs," he said. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Ban-Sanatan-Sanstha-citizens-panel-tells-govt/articleshow/5150998.cms * * * 'Delay led to loss of crucial evidence' TNN 22 October 2009, 06:06am IST Print Email Discuss Bookmark/Share SaveComment Text Size: | MARGAO: Even as the SIT probing the role of the Sanatan Sanstha in the Margao blast is tightlipped, there is apprehension of crucial evidence having been lost owing to the delay in conducting a through search of the Sanstha's ashram in Ponda. "Had we zeroed in on the ashram immediately after the blast, by this time we could have got some important leads," said a source in the police department. When pointed out that the police had conducted search operations at the ashram within hours of the blast, sources said that so far there have been neither any seizures, nor arrests. The Sanatan Sanstha's ashram at Ponda has around 150 computers, sources said, adding that it would be a gargantuan task for the special investigation team probing the Margao blast to find details of communication exchanged by the inmates over a period of time. The computer hard disks were not sealed by the police, sources said. Till now the police have the mobile phone recovered from the deceased and some documents. They are, however, not revealing what other evidence they have gathered. Sources pointed out that the Sanstha has separate wings for members undertaking specific tasks. "They (Sanstha) work in a different way which is shrouded in secrecy," said the source. "The Sanstha featured prominently in the aftermath of Malegaon blast and we in Goa have a task in hand. It will be a long-drawn investigation as the incident is different in nature," confided a senior officer. On Tuesday police had claimed they had never said the Sanstha was linked to the blasts. The Sanstha, too, had denied any involvement. Meanwhile, the South Goa police headquarters was a meeting point of senior police officers on Wednesday. DIG R S Yadav monitoring the overall operation and Mumbai anti terrorism squad DIG Sukhwinder Singh along with SP (south) Allen de Sa and others had a closed door meeting. Thereafter, sources said the senior officers left for the ashram. The SIT also held inquiries with several sanstha members at the south headquarters and recorded their statements. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Delay-led-to-loss-of-crucial-evidence/articleshow/5147335.cms * * * M
[Goanet] Epsom Salt
PLEASE GOANS do not use it on children, Doctors in UK say - are you mad to use it? there are other alternatives, fig syrup does a better job, Ayurveda practice is to use enema.
Re: [Goanet] ...smell the coffee
Dear Anthony, In your last line quote, U repeat exactly what I said. MM is the first one I heard and read, using the phrase on GT and then on Goanet. So I give credit to her, one of our own. Nothing wrong in that. I liked this idiom/phrase so much that at the UNI where I was working, I made good use of it and titled an 'article' with that heading, for the UNI Staff mag. to alert the Bosses to what is actually going on under their very noses. I was then taken up seriously. See Ya! Nascy Caldeira --- On Fri, 23/10/09, Anthony M Barreto wrote: > So India, "wake up and smell the > coffee'!! (borrowing the phrase from and credit to Margaret > Mascarenhas.) > Nascy Caldeira > Melbourne, Down Under. > > Dear Nascy > Your credit is misplaced. > 'Wake Up and Smell the Coffee' was the fifth album by 'The > Cranberries'. > 'wake up and smell the coffee' was a col. by MM appearing > in the GT. > Tony Martin __ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] It takes a Moidekar
to tell the truth about Goans who migrate and Goans who stay back! http://groups.google.co.in/group/moira-net/browse_thread/thread/f14c8562568b67d4 --- Dear Fred I have used the word ‘forced’ deliberately. Of course I wasn’t physically exiled. I could have stayed in Goem and earned an honest decent living. I could have stayed back and earned an even better dishonest living. But sod tem. It is the relative ease of accruing material well being that drives and has always driven Goemcars abroad. The really clever and successful ones stay at home. The crème de la crème of Goemcar brains and achievements stay back in nossa terra and make a living and perhaps even a name for them. Coming to the affluent west and earning ones’ roti, kapda and makhaan is I believe far easier than back home. I should know. The competition is easier and the opportunities more. Those of my fellow ganvcars and Goemcars who have risen in their respective fields in Goem deserve nothing but praise and gratitude from those of us in Diaspora. In my defense, as an excuse for abandoning my motherland, I will only state that virtually every Goemcar family has had somebody at sometime emigrate somewhere in the search of material well being. Our village of Moira is a case in point. I do not think there are very many catholic moidecars who can claim not to have some relative of theirs either abroad now or in the past. Yes it is a cop out. We in the Diaspora have left because we could not, literally, hack it and succeed in Goem. In the process we have abandoned our motherland and yes we have forfeited the right to dictate how and what should and should not be done. I try my best not to pontificate about how Goemcars in Goem run their lives and our motherland. Sometimes it is difficult. So if I do slip up and proffer advice it will not be the case of me teaching Goemcars to suck eggs; it will just be an attempt at trying to be helpful. What is the solution? Is it too late? I do not know. I am sorry. I wish I could have afforded not to have left. A mother of a good friend of mine once castigated me, “What do you mean Goa has changed? Your greed has taken you away, so don’t complain now.” Mea culpa. Sincerely Xanno Moidecar ==
Re: [Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot?
--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Santosh Helekar wrote: Those who want to ignore this reality and continue > with an alarmist political agenda or a sectarian campaign > based on their own fantasy ought to be rejected as well. > > Cheers, > > Santosh -- I think a definition of who exactly is an alarmist depends entirely on which end of the stick one is on. best, selma
Re: [Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot?
2009/10/23 Carvalho > Dear Sandeep, > I wouldn't break out the champagne bottle yet if I were you. > > 2009/10/23 Nascy Caldeira Well said and well written, Mr Heble! We need more people like U to talk about the truth. 2009/10/23 floriano The very fact that I reply to this post says that I agree with both, Sandeep and Nasci. And I have nothing more to add, for I have said it all in good time. RESPONSE: I have read Sabdeep Heble's article, I believe both of you have misread the article. Sandeep is crying out loud that the BJP are no longer a credible oppositionnot that he is against the BJP. Santosh on the other hand has called it, as it is - the sooner we are done and dusted with these communal forces the sooner we can move forward and move on! -- DEV BOREM KORUM.
Re: [Goanet] Comrade's Migration Theory
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: > > Finally, the douchebag's ejaculate is always topped off > > by a squeaky bout of foul wind-breaking about Hindutva/BJP/RSS and > > Shiv Sena.? --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Mervyn Lobo wrote: > r, > The language above is not that of a Goan. > I don't know how you have sunk into this hellish place. Mario observes: This is not a post that caught my eye as being of interest until I saw Mervyn curiously trying to deny Parrikar his ethnicity and condemning him to some "hellish place". 1. The last time I checked using salty language does not disqualify one from one's ethnicity. 2. The language was deemed fit for posting by a Goanet moderator. So, Mervyn's beef should be with them as well, but he doesn't mention them. 3. Is moderator-approved salty language, which the alleged d-bag is free to respond to with some mirchi masala of his own, more "hellish" and "un-Goan" than posting deliberate falsehoods and distortions about the USA and/or President Obama on Goanet? Just asking.
[Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot?
Santosh helekar wrote: “Why should anybody care about the growth or re-invention of any political party? An ideology that espouses extremism and intolerance deserves to die. The good news is that the Indian people have now rejected this ideology yet another time. Those who want to ignore this reality and continue with an alarmist political agenda or a sectarian campaign based on their own fantasy ought to be rejected as well.” --- Hi Santosh, If the agenda of any particular Political Party is fascist and communal, then such an agenda is dangerous to the growth and the stability of the Nation. Whether the said political party is in power or out of it is immaterial. We have seen how the riots in Mumbai or Curchorem or other instances of vandalizing of Art galleries, assaults on Freedom of expression, etc have all occurred when the BJP, the Shiv Sena and other like minded Parties have been sitting in the opposition. We therefore need not only a secular liberal Government but we also need a secular liberal opposition. A paradigm shift from a communal agenda to a more liberal secular agenda for any Political Party or a Cultural/ Religious Outfit will be a step in the right direction. Cheers, Sandeep
[Goanet] Is the BJP losing the plot ?
Me thinks this is wishful thinking. The party may be in a deep funk right now, but there are enough smart people within the organization to cut the deadwood and re-invent the party. The party needs to get rid of some of its discredited ideological baggage though. For democracy in India to thrive, we need a strong and credible opposition. Else, we will see another episode of the Indira Gandhi era. I dont see another party with a National following on the horizon. Just a bunch of regionals with their own narrow regional agendas. Lets hope cooler minds and clear thinking prevails within the BJP and that the younger leaders give up their sycophancy and think for themselves.
[Goanet] Security guard arrested for molesting boy
It is a matter of shame and regret that the security guard of quote a T.V. and film actress unquote, R. M. Sharma, enticed a young 13 year old boy by giving him sweets and a kite and later had sexual intercourse with the boy. The boy reportedly complained of a "pain" and investigations proved sexual assault. Local sources have complained that the guard worked for Celina Jaitley. Way back, when I made a statement on Goanet that Moira was in no way flattered by Celina Jaitley buying a house in Pirazona, Moira, one M. Gouvio was quick to defend her and say that she was the economic miracle that Moira was waiting for. Read http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-July/164002.html. and linked mail for the whole story as also today's O Herald. No doubt the Gouvio will be quick to her defense. So this was the miracle? Sexual assault of the most dastardly order on a helpless thirteen year old? -- o . . o o_.__' Cheers! \~/ \ / '-.-' Tony de Sa |M: +91 9975 162 897 _|_ Ph: +91 832 2470 148 `"""` tonyd...@gmail.com W. Somerset Maugham: "I always find it more difficult to say the things I mean than the things I don't." .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:
Re: [Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot?
Dear Sandeep, I wouldn't break out the champagne bottle yet if I were you. The BJP will swing back because there is no other front in India that acts as an opposition and every party suffers from an incumbency factor after a while. Congress has had a good run at the electoral ballot but that too is largely an anti-incumbency factor against the BJP.How much of that has been a vote against communalism is hard to say. Still, we can only hope that the BJP's communal hubris is somewhat curtailed by these elections. best, selma --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Sandeep Heble wrote: > From: Sandeep Heble > Subject: [Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot? > To: goa...@goanet.org > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 11:38 AM > The ‘Bhartiya Janata Party’, the > Nation’s principal opposition Party, > faced yet another setback after it suffered a miserable > defeat in all > the three States that had gone to the Assembly polls > recently.
Re: [Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot?
--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Sandeep Heble wrote: > > The choice before the Party is therefore pretty clear. Either it can >grow > by re-inventing itself on modern secular liberal principles or it >must > perish. There is no third alternative! > Why should anybody care about the growth or re-invention of any political party? An ideology that espouses extremism and intolerance deserves to die. The good news is that the Indian people have now rejected this ideology yet another time. Those who want to ignore this reality and continue with an alarmist political agenda or a sectarian campaign based on their own fantasy ought to be rejected as well. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] ...smell the coffee
So India, "wake up and smell the coffee'!! (borrowing the phrase from and credit to Margaret Mascarenhas.) Nascy Caldeira Melbourne, Down Under. Dear Nascy Your credit is misplaced. 'Wake Up and Smell the Coffee' was the fifth album by 'The Cranberries'. 'wake up and smell the coffee' is an idiom which means "to pay attention and do something about a situation" 'wake up and smell the coffee' was a col. by MM appearing in the GT. Tony Martin Yahoo! India has a new look. Take a sneak peek http://in.yahoo.com/trynew
[Goanet] Saligao: Back to School Nite
A note from the Saligao Institute (SI): Back to School Nite: Social evening at the S.I. (Saligao Institute) on Saturday, October 31, 2009 from 7 pm onwards. Entrance free. -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism Goa,1556: http://goa1556.goa-india.org
[Goanet] Greatest Konkani Song Hits
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[Goanet] Subject: Is the BJP losing the Plot?
Sandeep, Excellent Analysis of BJP; its leadership and Idology. I am only awaiting for the "Obituaty" Thanks MD. Message: 9 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:08:54 +0530 From: Sandeep Heble To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 "The BJP?s interpretation of ?Hindutva? too is skewed. For the party, ?Hindutva? is not about opening the temple doors to the backwards, it is not about eliminating the caste divisions in the society, it is not about giving the pride of place to the women in our society. ?Hindutva? to the BJP is all about banning Films and books, smashing and vandalizing Art galleries, driving pioneer Artists like Hussain into exile, banning supposed vulgar forms of music, opposing minorities and their cultural practices, acting like the moral policemen on anything and everything under the sun, the list will go on".
[Goanet] "Pig's Delight"
Poetry: === "Pig's Delight" === It's not just a rumour or idle talk, That pigs re-cycle the sh*t into pork; So where would be Goa's disposal rights If the pigs did not have good appetites? They gobble with relish and pray for more, And patiently wait at the sh*t-house door; So with Epsom salts and syrup of figs Please do think kindly of Goanese pigs, So sh*t well and truly and do what's right, For what you don't want, is a pig's delight! DADAJI 1975 from Vol 2 no 1. "Full Moon" November 1975 ... http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ _ Ready for a deal-of-a-lifetime? See fantastic offers on Windows 7, in one convenient place. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691634
[Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot?
Nascy Caldeira wrote: So India, "wake up and smell the coffee'!! (borrowing the phrase from and credit to Margaret Mascarenhas.) -- The idiom has been around much longer than Margaret. http://dictionary.babylon.com/wake_up_and_smell_the_coffee Cheers! Cecil =
Re: [Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot?
The very fact that I reply to this post says that I agree with both, Sandeep and Nasci. And I have nothing more to add, for I have said it all in good time. They say one must come out of fire to prove oneself. The fire for the BJP is the Tihar Jail for Advani. Will this happen? Sandeep has named one of the non-entities like Rahul Mahajan and missed out on the down-outer Varun Gandhi, the Muslim hate monger, perhaps the most important black hole through which the BJP will disappear in time. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Nascy Caldeira" To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot? Well said and well written, Mr Heble! We need more people like U to talk about the truth. This Party and their other unholy siblings Must Perish. They are dirty and Evil. I would not talk about M. Parrikar either; he is with the same principles and idealogy. A wolf in sheep's clothing. Nothing is good about this man either. He is a worse fascist and casteist. Yuck! I do hope the Indian Masses will realise and soon that these fascists and casteists are only taking them for a cheap ride, and tthese inhuman perties will abandon the poor, the downtrodden, and all the good non fascit people as soon as they take control of the whole Ghaddi. Fascists are Fascits Pigs! has been said historically and this will remain so. So India, "wake up and smell the coffee'!! (borrowing the phrase from and credit to Margaret Mascarenhas.) Nascy Caldeira Melbourne, Down Under. --- On Fri, 23/10/09, Sandeep Heble wrote: Subject: [Goanet] Is the BJP losing the Plot? The ‘Bhartiya Janata Party’, the Nation’s principal opposition Party, faced yet another setback after it suffered a miserable defeat in all
