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Arwin writes:
Of course Sachin will can be a proud Maharashtrian in the forseeable future
but can we  be proud Goans in the near future; as by then our identity might
not exist!!

Go ask the lay Goans in Goa if they are concerned about their
identity. Get their answers, and then post on the internet.

Identity for you who has a job in the UAE is a different issue
than for someone who is in Goa, I feel.

I recently met someone in Goa. He is an expat returned from abroad
and has started an IT company in Goa. He has come back to Goa
for the love of the land and wants to create jobs. Unlike many
others who although highly qualified and can do a lot positively
are only spouting hot air...

What is his requirement --- he wants that the Goa govt. give a
tax vacation to small IT companies.

Is he bothered about mining ? Yes, but he feels rightly that jobs
in areas such as IT are Goa's equal need apart from stopping mining.

My question is: how many of those who have made good money abroad
think on the lines of this guy ?

It is easy to preach about saving Goa's identity after you are
cosy economically and you dont need to make a living in Goa.
It is a totally different ball game for say today's young generation.

I know tons of twenty something Goans who are going to Pune,
Bangalore for jobs. Tell them to stay in Goa and stop mining.
Are they interested? Heck, no.

Tell them your identity will vanish, are they interested. Heck, no.

One needs to realize that for a young person in today's world making a good
living is high priority. That is what all the NRGs in this forum
have done. Now that they are cosy, they are talking identity.

Unless we solve the problem of these young people, we cannot solve
the problem of Goan identity, I feel.

regards,
Samir

[Goanet] Proud to be Goan.

2010-01-10 Thread Jagdish Gangolly

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Since I was not born there and do not reside in Goa,
by the tenor of the recent postings, I can not claim to
be Goan. But as a saraswat whose ancestors hailed
from Goa, I can not but feel in me a part that is Goan
irrespective of what any authentic Goan may say.

I think it is the language Konkani that defines the
identity of Goa. That language has been fractured by
history, and is now within us to repair that damage that
history has caused. We can not understand each other
because varieites of Konkani have borrowed heavily
from the neighboring languages (Kannada, Marathi,
and perhaps to a lesser extent by Malayalam, Tulu)
in script as well as vocabulary.

But I think the only Konkani that has even ghost of a chance
of thriving in this world is the Konkani spoken in Goa
written in the Latin script. Having lived in Bombay for a
long time, I have seen Konkanis absorbed into Marathi
diaspora in spirit as well as language and culture,
and the Konkanis in the Mangalore area is barely intelligible
to all who live there.

I do hope the development of Konkani language and literature
will lead to standardisation of vocabulary and grammar so that
we can all understand each other. If the Konkani diaspora outside
have the committment to the language they need to demonstrate
it by asking for it to be taught in schools in places such as
Bombay or Mangalore, just as Kannada or Marathi are taught.


Jagdish Gangolly

[Goanet] Church forgives CD producer for slander

2010-01-10 Thread SHRIKANT BARVE

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Dear Goanetters,

I am  happy that prominent posters accepting the plain truth. 

Shrikant Vinayak Barve


  The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. 
http://in.yahoo.com/

[Goanet] Panjim PIL still alive!

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To Goanet -

I had given up my PIL on Panjim, initiated in Nov 2007, for 
dead but - mirabile dictu - it refuses to die!  It is remarkable 
how much influence this opportunistic Goan/American has in 
Goa from so far away.

The High Court passed yet another stricture in Dec 2009 and
only Tarun Bharat reported it on Dec 29, 2009.  The CCP has 
been given until March 31, 2010 to clean up the city, per the 
Tarun Bharat report, published prominently on Page 1.  

Here -

http://www.parrikar.org/misc/tb-12-29-2009.pdf

Note that I have highlighted my name by enclosing it in 
red rectangles.  Humility is the hallmark of us Goan Americans.
Tip to all Indian citizens: blow up the pdf to 200%.

We now leave you with this gentle reminder of ghati contributions
to Panjim -

http://www.parrikar.org/images/ghatification


Warm regards,


r

[Goanet] About Tiatr, censorship, cheating directors, fake melody kings etc

2010-01-10 Thread JoeGoaUk

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About Tiatr, censorship, cheating directors, fake melody kings etc
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4261264057/sizes/l/

We need critical tiatr reviewers sadly there are none.
Once I met a regular tiatr reviewer in local english dailies but 
surprised to see him so young in his mid early or mid 20s?
But he also writes or talk about the tiatr of 1970s and beyond 
including 1960s films.
Pehaps, they take help from their elders or may be from internet?




joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa  NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ 

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa 

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc


  The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. 
http://in.yahoo.com/

[Goanet] Proud to be a Goan, I am an Indian first

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Hi Samir,
Do not torment yourself if anyone questioned your living and working in
Bangalore as opposed to being in Goa. Avoid getting caught up in those
technicalities. Tendukar's, was one steeped in complexity -- really on no
account of him. He could have gone either way. He could have said he is a
Mumbaikar. The fear there could be the impact he could have on the thought
processes of the rank-and-file Marathas and their loyalties, albeit being
very aware that they have been sold out.

Live your life to the best of your abilities Samir. We are too caught up in
India about being Indian. Having to repeatedly state this reality as a high
truth is a descent into ignominious in my opinion. Such questions must be
seen from various perspective and unfortunately based on who is doing the
asking. That unfortunately involves a bit of judging (unchristian) but
needed for ones own reconciliation; and an interesting conundrum, again in
the Christian sense. Please do not be miffed at me making these points. One
may also see it in a more egalitarian spirit/framework. It reveals more
about the other person than the one to whom the question was posed.

On a different note: I got my Green Card on the gifted category EB1 or
something of that sort, but for no grand reason have not relinquished my
Indian citizenship. I also heard that getting the citizenship would not have
taken long. And I have reapplied for the GC. It has nothing to do with art,
bessan (estates of the landed gentry ?!) ani bhattan or anything of that
sort. I hardly even care about grants in the US. In any case, there is no
grand reason although it causes me enough hassles when I travel. But I learn
some odd stuff in the process. In 2005, I was kept waiting for over 45
minutes at Narita. No problem, I started playing with some little kids, and
their parents were fine with that. In fact the immigration woman profusely
apologised and said that I was a good person (could mean a few things). I
asked her were you watching me. She smiled.

I am more American that most who are of the soil. In this case it has
nothing to do with citizenship, but a state of being. Of course when one
says that, one may encounter a pedant, posing one or more conundrums, as to
how can that really be possible -- but that is existence.

There is something to this probing about whether one is a Indian or Goan,
even a Mumbaikar, and it goes deeper; akin to when Indian ask where one was
born and the fathers occupation. On that note, I once told my tormentor in
Std VII that two of my Uncles were lepers, and showed him a picture I had (I
really did and had planned it) of two with Hansen's disease from the
Ackworth Leprosy Home, Wadala on photographic paper from Fr. Aurelius
Maschio, SDB mission. For good measure, I squeezed an oozing burn wound, on
the side om calf, which I had not told anyone about, obtained while being
inadvertent in keeping track of a new shigri (coal grill) while dodging
other shigris in our colony playing football. Seeing the pus flow out, he
practically fainted but still told the teacher. I was sent home with our
peon Michael, and mom took me to be treated at the BPT dispensary.

This is how I have been seeing things for some time: I do not need to know
someone who does not respect you in baseline terms, but I will still be
there for that individual. If you do not respect women and children, stay
away from me. Also none of that stoning dogs crap we see in India, and so
forth. These are simple humanistic ways of being. On top of it people in
India marvel at my being Indian -- for their own pathetic reasons, and not
for anything special. But all is not well --- I am now dealing with a
complete egocentric punk who wants more communion with me, but the
underlying tone is one where he resents seeing me as having overthrown the
cangue*** and accompanying chains, as well as my christian guilt. He is not
a Christian. I finally had to ask him whether he practiced his own belief
system as a posture, and whether I could help him understand it better.
These characters from our past always materialize out of nowhere, and we
must help them evanescent into nowhere by seeing them as the sad ghosts they
are.

venantius j pinto
*** cangue (in French, and used in Englsh) is from the Portuguese, canga


 Message: 2
 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:16:57 -0800 (PST)
 From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] Proud to be a Goan, I am an Indian first

 Some of those, mainly who have non-Indian citizenship, have questioned the
 fact that I am in Bangalore and not in Goa.

 My position is very clear --- like Sachin

Re: [Goanet] Goan Heroes


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Arwin,
The time for your so called 'leteralthinking' and reading between the lines 
is over and done with.
Time has come a long time ago for being blunt and caustic and we have 
already missed the bus.
'Lateral thinking' is for pigs. [ you know how it scans the next 'pile' 
while it is already doing justice to one?]

Reading between the lines?? .my floot.
You are sending the wrong signals.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org

PS: If the French messed up with 'lateral thinking' and kept themselves busy 
'reading between the lines' they would be eating cakes and heads wouldn't 
have rolled off the guillotines.
PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour..What's Zat??? . for 
God's own sake, none of the above, pls.




- Original Message - 
From: Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com

To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Heroes



Ref below post; Surely you must have some ability for Lateral Thinking and
reading between the lines!!!

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I was always afraid that it would come to this.
This What?

[Goanet] HSRP tender modified after being opened

2010-01-10 Thread Melvyn Ferrao

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/HSRP-tender-was-manipulated/articleshow/5418544.cms

[Goanet] MUSLI POWER SPICES CHURCHILL’S TEAM

2010-01-10 Thread Aires Rodrigues

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It is surprising that Churchill Alemao has decided to file a defamation case
against SpiceJet airline. I do hope that he understands the implications of
filing a defamation case. Before doing so, he should seek Mr. Subodh
Kantak’s advice in the matter. Otherwise he may end up pickled and spiced in
the manner in which the Advocate General finds himself in.

No amount of that potent Musli Power can eject you from the trauma and
nightmare one can land into after filing a defamation case. And the owners
of Musli Power need not feel embarrassed and withdraw their sponsorship for
Churchill football team over that alleged mid air cocky affair. It has only
proved that the Musli Power product is indeed effective and does deliver. No
need of more clinical tests to ascertain the potency and potential of Musli
Power.

Aires Rodrigues
Ribandar

[Goanet] Double Standards in Western press

2010-01-10 Thread Mario Goveia

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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:32:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com

One of India's newspaper has a cartoon about Australians and their country goes 
berserk. See below:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8447465.stm

Yet, when Western Press has a cartoon about Allah or religion, it is Freedom 
of Speech.

Mario asks:

I detect some confusion here about free speech and double standards. 

The suggestion is that it is somehow wrong for Australians to condemn as 
deeply offensive being depicted as racists in an Indian newspaper, but OK for 
the Indian newspaper to print a cartoon depicting the Australian police as 
racists.

The controversy has arisen because Indians say the attacks on Indians is 
because of their race, whereas the Australians think the attacks are by common 
criminals and thugs and the race of the victims is not a factor.  Obviously, no 
one knows for sure.

The example used is the series of offensive Danish cartoons of the Prophet 
Mohammad, when the western media claimed the cartoons were an expression of 
free speech.  This is not a good example.

To begin with, the reaction to the Danish cartoon by Muslim radicals was deadly 
rioting in the streets of several Muslim countries, attacks and arson of Danish 
embassies and even property belonging to other Europeans, as well as attempts 
on the life of the Danish cartoonist as recently as last week.  Over 100 people 
died in the riots and the police firings on the rioting crowds to quell the 
violence.

The Muslim radicals who rioted in the streets and are still trying to kill the 
Danish cartoonist went far beyond any concept of free speech.  As we say in 
America, Your right of free speech ends where it intersects with my skin or my 
property.  In addition, inciting people to chaos and violence would violate 
the principle of free speech.

So far, there are no reports of Australians rioting in the streets and burning 
the property of Indians over the Indian cartoon.  In fact they are doing 
everything they can to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice.

Secondly, I looked in vain in the BBC report for anyone claiming that the 
Indian newspaper did not have the right to publish the incendiary and 
incredibly offensive cartoon.  All the Australians did, according to the 
report, was verbally condemn the cartoons as deeply offensive.

Unless there is a double standard being used, the Indian paper had every right 
to publish the cartoon under their rights of editorial free speech, and the 
Australians likewise had every right to condemn the cartoons as part of their 
own right of free speech.

My question is, would the students who were victims of violence in Australia 
have been any safer in India?  Make up your own mind.

Re: [Goanet] Church forgives CD producer for slander

2010-01-10 Thread Carvalho

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Dear Goanetters,

I am  happy that prominent posters accepting the plain truth. 

Shrikant Vinayak Barve

-
Shrikant,
Unfortunately when hundreds of Christians in Orissa were being made homeless, 
there were no statements coming forth from you. 

I hope certain elements don't take our statements, distort them and use them to 
attack the Church which is the very nucleus of our lives in Goa. That would be 
a mistake indeed. Rest assured of that.

Best,
Selma

[Goanet] the church and postmodern culture: conversation

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the church and postmodern culture: conversation
about conversation
...coordinated by eric austin lee, geoffrey holsclaw, james k.a. smith

...offering discussions of high-profile theorists in postmodern theory and
contemporary theology, for a non-specialist audience that is interested in
the impact of postmodern theory for the faith and practice of the church.

http://churchandpomo.typepad.com/


venantius j pinto

[Goanet] Rajan Parrikar Citizenship

2010-01-10 Thread Freddy Fernandes

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In support of:

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:12:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Vivian A. DSouza socorro...@yahoo.com
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k...@yahoo.comels=1ce294b51a5f7e1d1d1ac05b5e19f028 
Subject: [Goanet] Goa and Goans



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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:17:24 +0400
From: Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com
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Arwin and Vivian, I am with you'll all the way. Goans, we should not be wasting
our time in bickering over whose is bigger, I mean ego. We are all interested in
the well being of Goa and Goans, so what matters, if someone who has
relinquished his citizenship, is still interested in the well being of Goa and
Goans, what matters at the moment is how we can all contribute in saving Goa and
getting rid of the slimy creatures, we ourselves have elected to govern us and
have a refreshing change of scenario that befits Goa.

 

Rajan sure has a rush of adrenalin pumping most often than not, and his language
is far from soothing but that does not make him any less Goan, sometimes harsh
words work like magic, where politeness makes no difference. Does any one
believe that if we politely tell our monkeys in the Vidhan Sabha that what they
are doing is wrong, please change your ways, will they listen ? No, we do need
guys like Rajan who are over expressive to bulldoze their point of view, during
India's freedom struggle, we had the cool, the non-violent as well as the
aggressive. If one does not work then the other is a necessity. 

 

Rajan is not just hot air in cyber space he has shown to his credit, what he has
done and the flaws he picked out, his photographic sense is only matched by
JoeGoa UK, I am sure Rajan has been doing and saying, what a lot of Goans want
to do and say but, do not have the guts to do or say it ! 

 

It does not matter if we are Goans in Goa, NRG or Goans who have taken
citizenships of other countries, if any of us wants to contribute to the well
being of Goa and Goans, we have every right to do so and personal hatred,
emotions, ill feelings and egos should be left behind for a common cause. Unity
is the need of the hour. So let's all unite and direct our energy, not at each
other but at saving Goa, which is of paramount importance.

 

Freddy Agnelo Fernandes


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Re: [Goanet] Philistines at the Gate


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A very qualified choice in deed, of welcoming the Portuguese with open arms.
Or
either get burnt at the stakes
Or
Have the throats cut.

:-))

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org

PS: I am pround of my forefathers for having opted for the former and for 
handing me the aura of being a Goan, which is certainly different than being 
an Indian. :-))

PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour.What's Zat???


- Original Message - 
From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com

To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:40 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Philistines at the Gate


They said that when the Portuguese came, some Goans welcomed them
with open arms. You must surely be one of them!

[Goanet] Is Goan Indian?

2010-01-10 Thread Xanno Moidecar

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Is Goan Indian?

Wishing all Goanetters a very happy New Year.  Belatedly nonetheless sincerely 
meant.

A nationality is determined by a number of common factors.   Unless of course 
coercion is the glue that binds.   Hence what is it that makes a Goan and an 
Indian?  

Language?  Religion? Cuisine? Dress? Mannerisms? Culture? Sports? Ethnicity?

For anyone to lay claim to common modern Indian nationality I believe the above 
criteria needs be fulfilled.

Hence is there commonality in all or at least a majority of the requirements 
betwixt Goemcars and the modern nation of India?
  

Is Goan Indian?

Sincerely

Xanno Moidecar

[Goanet] Proud to be a Goan

2010-01-10 Thread Salus Correia

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I am sure many Goanetters have been reading Samir's rant against Rajan on
this forum.  Rajan is one bloke who does have Goa deep down in his heart,
and it does not matter where he lives, or what nationality he holds.  What
is important is that Rajan's love for Goa makes him hurt when he sees  his
beloved Goa going down the drain, and that is why he does what he does.  His
love for his beloved land of Goa surpasses all else, and time and again he
has proved it by doing the yakka himself.  One does not have to be an Indian
citizen to profess love for Goa.  And one does not have to stay in Goa to
fight for Goa.  Personally, I have never met Rajan, and do not even know
him.  But his actions have proved more than mere words.

 

My question to Samir and other like thinking persons is:  What have you
done, and what are you doing now, today to plug the drain that Goa is being
washed out of?  Rajan on the other had does not have to answer that
question.  We all know what he does with passion!

 

Do something Samir, and if you cannot, please do not stop someone who does.
Patriotism like yours sucks!

 

Salus Correia



 

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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:16:57 -0800 (PST)

From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org

Subject: [Goanet] Proud to be a Goan, I am an Indian first

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Some of those, mainly who have non-Indian citizenship, have questioned the
fact that I am in Bangalore and not in Goa. 

 

My position is very clear --- like Sachin Tendulkar, I am an Indian first;
of course, I am

proud to be a Goan.

 

Ask any Californian American --- whether they are a Californian first or an
American first. 

 

regards,

Samir

[Goanet] Right to water is right to Life

2010-01-10 Thread soter

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This opinion was sent to Herald in December 2009 during the height of the water 
crisis but remains unpublished.


Right to Water is Right to Life
The suo moto intervention of the High Court of Bombay at Goa in the serious 
water crisis faced by residents of Porvorim and Mapusa and issued notices on 
grounds that 'the right to water is the right to life'. However, the 
hopelessness of the people is so great that many do not expect any solution as 
they feel that corrupt Government officials even succeed in distracting the 
courts. The plight of Porvorim would have been even worse if the IT Park and 
SEZ had been allowed to be set shop. Porvorim has never had sufficient water 
supply and yet the Government over the last 3 years has permitted 4 mega 
projects of around 300 to 600 flats within a radius of just one kilometre. When 
citizens have been opposing further development they are made to look stupid 
with claims that development is needed. What does one mean by 'development' is 
not known. Whether it means going from bad to worse or good to bad, because 
both changes also amount to development. 

Having been one of the residents in constant confrontation with the P.W.D. 
officials since 1990, I believe that the  water crisis is created by 
politicians and corrupt staff of the P.W.D. to create opportunities for 
floating tenders under the pretext of augmentation of infrastructure. The Chief 
Minister and the P.W.D. Minister have been taking the residents of Porvorim for 
granted and are very much behind aggravating the present water crisis by 
ordering the release of water connections to some massive housing projects in 
the last one month. Favours were granted to these builder relatives and friends 
by bypassing the circular dated 25 /11/2008 issued by the Executive Engineer 
WDXVII(PHE-N) P.W.D. directing the department not to release any new water 
connections other than single dwelling units. A honest Assistant Engineer had 
to pay the price of getting transferred in September 2009 for refusing to 
succumb to pressures for releasing new water connections to two multi-housing p
 rojects. 

Another culprit in the collapse of basic infrastructure is the Town and Country 
Planning Department and the Village Panchayats which have been indiscriminately 
granting N.O.Cs / permissions for construction projects and pushing the buck on 
each other. The Village Panchayats claim that they issue permissions for 
constructions based on the N.O.C. from the TCP, while the TCP claims it's 
N.O.C. is only recommendatory and not binding on the Panchayat.  The TCP uses 
the cover up of the Regional Plan claiming that since the area is in settlement 
it cannot prevent construction. The TCP now wants Porvorim to be zoned as VP1in 
the RP2021 and one can well imaging the horrors awaiting the public

In the wings is the Directorate of Panchayats which instead of defending the 
interests of panchayats only supports builder's interests by declaring that the 
Panchayat has no competence to withold permissions for constructions once the 
TCP has issued an N.O.C.. The pecunairy gains to all the authorities from the 
construction industry is well known and a thorough CBI inquiry into their 
personal assets will reveal the truth. In all this ' Tu Tu Me Me' stunts 
adopted by various authorities, the people ultimately suffer as none of the 
authorities take responsibility for the mess. The Town and Country Planning 
Department and the Public Works Department are bleeding Goa. 

In the year 2002 a dedicated water supply pipe-line from Assonora to Porvorim 
was commissioned by the Manohar Parrikar Government with much funfare  A 330 
cu.m underground rervoir was constructed near JMJ hospital to act as a backup 
in the event of any inevitable interruption in the main supply. Another 400 cu. 
m underground tank has been built near P.D.A. colony. There was considerable 
improvement in the water situation until 2005 when once again the crisis 
emerged, leading to widespread protests from the people. Some honest engineers 
were then posted at the P.W.D. office in Porvorim by the Government and 
thereafter the situation considerably improved until mid-2008. The water crisis 
again surfaced with the transfer of the Executive Engineer and thereafter the 
main supply pipe-line began to be tapped at several places along the route from 
Assonora to meet the requirement of other constituencies. This has resulted in 
less water reaching Porvorim reservoirs which is at the tai
 l end of supply chain. Inspite of insufficient water supply to the reservoirs, 
on 10th December 2009 the main pipe-line has been tapped near

[Goanet] Cheers Dears! Spice for Spies

2010-01-10 Thread Francis Rodrigues

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Cheers Dears!
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Spice for Spies
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The man from the CM's office was ugly, and waiting.

You will come with us, Prof. Pinto, he smirked wolfishly, as we clattered 
down Dempo College, the Cabinet is meeting just opposite.

I'm sorry, I objected, glancing at Laskar panting out of the back of my Ford 
Fotaro, I have to take my dog for H1N1, today is the vet day.

Wet or dry, the Cabinet awaits you at Altinho - the CM considers you a 
molestation expert at Dempo Commerce - two Ministers face pressing matters of 
air-hostesses! the Pandurang grabbed my arm sternly.

I do not know about pressing air-hostesses! I insisted, but in vain.

At the CM's bungalow, Lasker was allowed too, as we went through the 
newly-installed N.I.B.S. - Nanga-Indian-Body-Search security system.

The Ministers nanga, must have been ghastly! I joked with the viewing 
security chief, But was Victoria interesting, or past expiry-date?

We saw nothing internally! he winced, Just bandages and bandages!

Of course! I laughed, remembering the Pyramids, she's..uh...Mummy!

Inside the main hall, Diggu reposed fatly as the other dozen fossils gaped and 
gassed, gazing at the Alemiao Minister-brothers gargling.

Gusto Bab! roared Churchill, can you help us strain-bomb Spice Jet?

Brainstorm! I muttered, I'm an English Prof, not Osama bin Ladainh!

Pinto Saib! groaned Joachim, Odafe just touched the air-hostess to give her 
amassage...I mean...message!

Sorry, I said, Besides touching there was abuse, say witnesses!

Churchill burst. Bloody spies only! That's what it is - Spies Jet! All lies 
against my players. I'll kill that Vijay Mallya - bloody Kallya!

Firstly I said, Vijay Mallya is not a Keralite, secondly he does not own 
Spice Jet, but Kingfisher Airlines. Now about the abuse.!

I refuse! No abuse, only confuse, which we defuse! insisted Joachim.

I understand the F-word was used very liberally, I said coldly.

Nah, re, nah! After air-hostess argue, she serve drinks, lot of booze! So my 
fellows go toilet, eleven fellows so long queue. Then purser come shouting, we 
told him don't come this queue, go to farther queue. Thats all, they pointed 
finger, Far queue! Go far queue! Joachim blasted.

Very droll, I said sarcastically, Fr. Floriano tells funnier jokes!

At this stage Lasker barked ferociously, overcome by the gas fumes.

Quick solution, I have to go! I snapped. Your Musli Xtra sponsorship is 
already going. Hit Spice Jet in their wallet - block their Dabolim flights, tie 
them up in Court at the same time with a multi-crore suit!

Central Gorment will not allow us to block Spice Jet! gassed Diggu.

Oh just start an All-Goa agitation!! Any excuse - block Dabolim, insist on 
fifty-percent student fares for all, whilst you file a  defamation suit in 
Delhi! Better still, contract one experienced crackpot to do both evils!

The Cabinet gasped.  Which insane idiot would carry out both for us??

I laughed. Aires Rodrigues, of course!

Cheers Dears!
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It is best said this way, if we are to ask Goans a question:

Tumvem Kelaim Kitem, Kortai Kitem ani Kortoloi Kitem
Of course for Goa.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org

PS: For Jagdish Gangolli's benefit, the above means 'What have you done, 
what are you doing and what will you do... for Goa. Needless to say 
that we are happy about your Goan-ness.
PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour.. What's Zat??  . Tum Kortai 
Kitem ani Kortoli Kitem  ???


- Original Message - 
From: Salus Correia saluscorr...@gmail.com

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:08 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Proud to be a Goan




My question to Samir and other like thinking persons is:  What have you
done, and what are you doing now, today to plug the drain that Goa is 
being

washed out of?  Rajan on the other had does not have to answer that
question.  We all know what he does with passion!

Re: [Goanet] OFFTOPIC: News from Brazil...

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Sky News Online - Tuesday January 05, 2010
Rescue teams have been scouring ravines and hillsides for survivors of 
landslides that killed at least 72 people in Brazil. ... in Angra dos Reis, a 
beach city 93 miles south of Rio de Janeiro.
 
...
There's an imminent danger of new landslides, Mayor Tuca Jordao told 
reporters.
...
But it was announced on Sunday that about 500 houses in high-risk areas of the 
city had been condemned or declared out of bounds.

...
Angra overlooks Ilha Grande island, where 29 people were killed in Friday's 
landslides, including 28 in a luxury hotel nestled at the foot of a 
jungle-covered hill.
Some 40 guests were staying at the Hotel Sankay, which catered to Brazilian and 
foreign tourists seeking a remote beachside hideaway.
It was not immediately known if foreigners were among the dead.

-

Hope Goan authorities take note of the above.  Hill slopes in Goa are not 
altogether stable, and improper building codes applied could prove disastrous.


- Original Message 
 From: Frederick Noronha f...@goa-india.org
 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Sent: Sun, 10 January, 2010 4:37:27 AM
 Subject: [Goanet] OFFTOPIC: News from Brazil...
 
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 A Goanetter from Brazil sent in these inputs. Just thought of sharing
 with those who might be interested...
 
 
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: francisco-mn 
 The rains in  Brasil.
 Several peoples are dead  in Angra dos Reis, a city of the Rio de
 Janeiro State. The geological fenomena was in the Bananal beachm  at
 Ilha Grande, a big island of Angra dos Reis bay, south of the litoral
 of the Rio de Janeiro State.
 The soil moviment in the slopes  reached at houses when the persons
 are sleeping.The houses were recoverd by clays, sands and rocks tons.
 Bene Rodrigues
 A geologist



  
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[Goanet] Rajan Parrikar citizenship --- fool's paradise

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It is in Rajan's best interest that he stops pontificating on political issues 
in Goa or switches
to Indian citizenship. He and all the others are in a fool's paradise if one 
can think one
can make any substantial inroads into Goa's political climate or even on issues 
that
matter by not being an Indian
citizen.

Now that Rajan's citizenship is all over thanks to Herald, no one in Goa is 
going to take
him seriously. He will become the butt of all jokes, and so will others who 
support him.

The political class in Goa is a bit smarter than what thos one goanet think. It 
also shows
the complete political naivete of NRGs. Any wonder then why Goan political class
doesnt take NRGs seriously?

regards,
Samir

[Goanet] Proud to be a Goan

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My question to Samir and other like thinking persons is:  What have you
done, and what are you doing now, today to plug the drain that Goa is being
washed out of?  

Salus, let us start with yourself first.

How often do you change underwears oops citizenships?

regards,
Samir

[Goanet] The Goemcar Church

2010-01-10 Thread Xanno Moidecar

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There are some who are instinctively and for obviously vested interests 
absolutely agog when it comes to ‘dissing’ the Catholic Church.

These guys and gals should be listened to or read and when they make any sense 
the Church should use the finger pointing to help itself.

In all other cases their utterances should be treated with the silent contempt 
they deserve.

Now in the case of the ‘CD scandal’, I have unfortunately not been in a 
position to follow it ‘in toto’.  I am still ignorant of quite a few aspects of 
this incident or series of incidences.

However, I have grown up knowing that confession is good for the soul.  I am 
also of the opinion that forgiveness is the most effective balm for the psyche.

My prayer is that the Roman Catholic Church in Goem has availed of both.

Sincerely

Xanno Moidecar

Re: [Goanet] Pinhole Photography

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Funny that.

Reminds me of the times when I used to have my shower in the afternoon (time 
when water was available) in Panjim, in the months of March/April. The various 
tiny chinks in the tiles would act as pinhole lenses as it were, with me in 
the dark camera of the bathroom, watching in fascination as the neighbouring 
coconut tree would project itself upside-down on the wall swaying in the light 
breezes.  I suppose the position of the sun had to do with the images during 
those particular months.



- Original Message 
 From: Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Sent: Sun, 10 January, 2010 7:15:34 AM
 Subject: [Goanet] Pinhole Photography
 
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 It would have been appreciable if we were offered a sense of what the
 alternative means in Goa Centre for Alternative Photography. I doubt they
 also mean other historical processes that are still practiced today.
 
 Pihole photography has many possibilities for sure. The basic idea being a
 small hole where light comes in, and the depth of the box.  Pinhole camera
 constructs could include boxes, Dalda dabbas, a ciborium, full body box,
 with pinholes on various small doors, coffins (yes possible), cans, buyao,
 closely-woven pantlleos. The alternative is manipulated in various small
 ways -- in all these cases light would enter through a hole (singular or
 multiple) photo-sensitive material is enclosed (on a planar surface as well
 as various curvatures).
 



  
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Re: [Goanet] What are we waiting for

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Most people in Goa are satisfied with their lot.  

Why worry? Be happy has always been the prevailing attitude aka sosegado, a 
term derogatorily used by non-Goans against the Goan essence. 

So I am afraid that, unless pushed to the wall, the Goan will never be really 
dis-satisfied with what is going on in Goa. Why shake the boat? is what one 
acquaintance once told me years ago. As Samir rightly pointed out, many 
dis-satisfied Goans have no escape routes, so have to make do with what they 
have. 

Besides, of those unable to bear the goings-on, who could afford to, have 
escaped to other parts of India or even other countries via opportunities 
available to them. You could say they voted with their feet.  Unfortunately 
for Goa, once the sons  daughters left the soil, others from other places in 
India have come to take their place and now call themselves Goans; and rightly 
so, in a manner I call myself Australian, Carmen would call herself British 
(even if she cooks the best sorpotel in North London) and Mario calls himself 
American.  

Gabriel.

- Original Message 
 From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Sent: Sun, 10 January, 2010 8:22:46 AM
 Subject: [Goanet] What are we waiting for
 
 To be brutally frank, we really don't know how many people are really 
 dis-satisfied with what is going on in Goa, as the puzzled questions by 
 Carmen 
 and Samir above illustrate.  


  
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[Goanet] Goanet] Proud to be a Goan, I am an Indian first

2010-01-10 Thread Arwin Mesquita

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Samir.. if what you say is true (I  hope its not) then I suggest you and
those who dont care about Goan Identity give up the proud to be Goan part
if your slogan.  Arwin

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 23:31:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com
To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Proud to be a Goan, I am an Indian first
Message-ID: 410184.43733...@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com
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Arwin writes:
Of course Sachin will can be a proud Maharashtrian in the forseeable future
but can we  be proud Goans in the near future; as by then our identity
might
not exist!!

Go ask the lay Goans in Goa if they are concerned about their
identity. Get their answers, and then post on the internet.

Identity for you who has a job in the UAE is a different issue
than for someone who is in Goa, I feel.

I recently met someone in Goa. He is an expat returned from abroad
and has started an IT company in Goa. He has come back to Goa
for the love of the land and wants to create jobs. Unlike many
others who although highly qualified and can do a lot positively
are only spouting hot air...

What is his requirement --- he wants that the Goa govt. give a
tax vacation to small IT companies.

Is he bothered about mining ? Yes, but he feels rightly that jobs
in areas such as IT are Goa's equal need apart from stopping mining.

My question is: how many of those who have made good money abroad
think on the lines of this guy ?

It is easy to preach about saving Goa's identity after you are
cosy economically and you dont need to make a living in Goa.
It is a totally different ball game for say today's young generation.

I know tons of twenty something Goans who are going to Pune,
Bangalore for jobs. Tell them to stay in Goa and stop mining.
Are they interested? Heck, no.

Tell them your identity will vanish, are they interested. Heck, no.

One needs to realize that for a young person in today's world making a good
living is high priority. That is what all the NRGs in this forum
have done. Now that they are cosy, they are talking identity.

Unless we solve the problem of these young people, we cannot solve
the problem of Goan identity, I feel.

regards,
Samir
-- 
Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/

Please also see below:
1. Benaulim Village Action Committee: http://www.bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/
2. Rape of Goa : http://www.parrikar.com/blog/the-rape-of-goa/
3. MAND - an adivasi-rights resource centre : http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/
4. EVERY GOAN SHOULD SEE THIS VIDEO:
http://infochangeindia.org/Infochange-documentary.html
5. For the Love of Konkani: http://www.radiogoa.net/
6. Goa's Identity Movement website: http://www.goamag.net/gim
7. Goa's Identity Movement group on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com//#/group.php?gid=193497031686
8. Official Government Site NRI Office (GOA): http://www.globalgoans.org.in/

Re: [Goanet] fool's paradise

2010-01-10 Thread J. Colaco jc

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Samir Kelekar wrote: The political class in Goa is a bit smarter than
what thos one goanet think. It also shows the complete political
naivete of NRGs. Any wonder then why Goan political class doesnt take
NRGs seriously?

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Comment:

I will take it from the above Samir Kelekar quote that the Goan
political class takes Goa Resident Goans (GRGs) seriously.

AND: that the only reason Samir Kelekar has not been taken seriously,
is because he is a Bangalore Resident Goan (BRG), hence not really a
GRG.

I stand corrected IF Samir Kelekar is a GRG and if the Goan political
class have taken him seriously.

I am reminded that the Goan political class may have taken Samir so
seriously that they even invited him (not too long ago) to testify in
the Goa Assembly.and they have not even bothered to invite Rajan
Parrikar, perhaps because he is a CRG (California Resident Goan).

I am also reminded that Samir Kelekar truly respects (and then perhaps
disrespects) the NRGs. He certainly approached NRGs before his
'anticipated' testimony in the Goa Assembly. And to the best of my
knowledge, the GRGs openly supported Samir Kelekar even by way of an
advert in the Panjim Heraldo/ Herald. If I recollect accurately, a
number of those who supported Samir in that advert were NOT Indian
citizens.

Did not hear a word in protest about that fact from Samir Kelekar - on
that occasion ...or thereafter.

What happened since then. The stock market suddenly devalued NRGs? or
is Samir Kelekar just another Kama Purta Mama iow Kam Zalem Voiz
Mello ?

Needless to say  I personally am getting the impression (and I
hope I am wrong) that Samir is really losing it.

Why else would he go this personally after Rajan Parrikar whose only
interest appears to be the welfare of the Goa-environment and
heritage.

For his part, Rajan has done what he has done He has put his
sweat, money and time where his mouth is.

I am sure that Samir has done more than 'mouth'. Has he?

After all - he is a proud citizen who has effected change in Goa; has he not?


jc
Abuse about being a 'boot-licker' etc accepted in advance

PS: I have taken the liberty of modifying the subject line by REMOVING
the name of  Rajan Parrikar - another GoaNetter. Request (us all)
that, despite our differences in opinion, we exercise some degree of
moderation in the venom we exude.

Can we not disagree without the venom?

Re: [Goanet] Sashikala Kakodkar


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Those who choose to scorn other people's difficulties are slated to perish a 
day not too soon.


I have said it before and I shall say it again
Somebody is bound to do a 'Sadam' or a 'Stalin' of the traitor that mocks 
Goemkars and Goemkarponn in the heart of the city Panjim and consign his 
treachery to dust. It will serve as a lesson to future traitors in the 
making.


On this note I like to reproduce this conversation which transpired in the 
very den of one of Goa's famous politician of yester years.


Fl: Tell me (Mr.X) how many years do you  have to live?
X: My age?
FL: No. I want to know how many years you have before you die.
X: [Unsettled] I don't understand.
FL: A statue of Goa's most notorious traitor stands in full view and you 
yourself have garlanded it on many occasions. What I wanted to know is, when 
you die will anyone think of installing your statue, much less garland it? 
That is why I wanted to know how many year you think you have still got  to 
do something memorable for Goa if you are to be remembered by posterity.

X: No answer.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org

PS: Just curious to know how many netters remember who Mr. X is.
PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour..What's Zat??? ..   down 
with the traitors?



- Original Message - 
From: Freddy Fernandes ffernandes@emaar.ae

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:51 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Sashikala Kakodkar



In response to:


This is a fact that I witnessed as a young lad during the last election 
campaign
of her majesty Shashikala Kakodkar, before MGP were ground into the dust, 
where

they rightly deserved to be, became monkeys of their own making !

[Goanet] Is Goan Indian?

2010-01-10 Thread Cajetan Alvares

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Xanno Moidecar
No matter how much I explain to you, you will never become xanno.
Obvious reason being which place you were born in!
Therefore xanno or no xanno, if born in Indian subcontinent, now, before or
after, no atter what colour or creed or shape or size.
You are _ _ _ _ _ (fill in)

Re: [Goanet] Double Standards in Western press

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Race angle forcefully fed by media, feel Indians - Times of India.
I don't think Australia is racist, it's just law and order situation. Indian
media has hyped and exaggerated, Amitan felt.
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/indians-abroad/Race-angle-forcefully-fed-by-media-feel-Indians/articleshow/5430180.cms

Some of the news don't mention the nationalities/origins of the attackers when
they do mention the nationalities/origins of the victims as Indians, which can
cause a distortion in understanding the motives behind some of the attacks.
There was an Indian attacked in one of my friends' neighbourhood, which was
reported in the local press - later transpired that the attackers were
themselves other Indians, who had had prior altercations earlier on.

See also Two men questioned in Sydney over Indian's murder - Times of India
Police officials are looking into claims that Singh, who recruited Indian
immigrants to work on farms, may have been murdered on December 27 in a fight
over unpaid money to workers.
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/indians-abroad/Two-men-questioned-in-Sydney-over-Indians-murder/articleshow/5429880.cms

The current issue of an Indian being set on fire in Essendon (an outer suburb
of Melbourne) is also rather strange, in the circumstancial sense. Police
accounts say there are certain “strange” bits to the story, which made a
racially motivated account appear difficult to believe. The attackers have been
described in only a generalised description which is really just unspecific,
just four males, Det Act Snr Sgt Smyth said.

Gabriel.

PS Robberies in general have been on the increase lately, and violent ones more
so, usually involving knives (guns only in gangland warfare, which seems to
have died down), especially in periods leading up to and immediately after the
Christmas season. The reasons are obvious (drinks, drugs and money to obtain
the former). I presume the trend is similar in other parts of the world.

- Original Message
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Sent: Sun, 10 January, 2010 10:11:15 AM
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My question is, would the students who were victims of violence in Australia
have been any safer in India? Make up your own mind.

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[Goanet] Happy to be a fool

2010-01-10 Thread Xanno Moidecar

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I have read Rajan’s fiery fulminations.  I have read of Rajan’s fulsome 
actions. 

I know what Rajan’s paradise for fools is.

I must confess that I am very happy to be considered one of Rajan’s fools.

Sincerely

Xanno Moidecar.

Xanno Moidecar

Re: [Goanet] What are we waiting for?

2010-01-10 Thread Tony de Sa

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Florian Lobo: Having love for one's birthplace is a different ball game
altogether and Rajan falls in this minute percentage.
Most freedom fighters of Goa want us to believe that they love their Goa.
Not correct. They mostly love their pensions and whatever more  the state
can give them as handouts for supposedly liberating Goa

Dear Florry,
I've said elsewhere that there is no such thing as a free lunch or dinner.
Nothing comes for free.  There were perhaps a few sincere ones. I mean FFs.
Most of them, however on the FFs list are there for the benefits - Pension,
reservation, facilities - concessions etc. In medical parlance, there is a
term for them - charlatans or plain quacks.

Rgds

Tony de Sa
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Re: [Goanet] Did Church forgive them too?

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Joe, If you go by what some quick-to-make-a-comment Goanetters are saying,
the issue at Colva is the violence. I think there are many other, and
deeper, concerns involved. Primarily issues of accountability in an
institution, which happens to be influential, such as the Church.

Of course, there are also questions about the role played by a Calvert
Gonsalves, whether insinuations made in a CD are the right way to seek
justice and redress to a grievance, whether there were any other motives
in raking up this controversy, why the villagers took so strong a stand
against Calvert's creativity, what was the role of the politicians,
whether one can slander someone by slightly adapting their names (Vickky
and Fr Diago), what should be the role of the State when such controversies
errupt within a community, and what aspects of a politician's private life
should be out for debate in the public domain as pointed out by Tomazinho
Cardozo elsewhere.

People don't opt for violence just to entertain themselves. They do so
when they are very angry. It may not be hard to understand the anger
emanating from Colva. But the question that comes up was whether the piety
of the commonfolk was manipulated by political interests or freelance
interests (in the worst sense of the word) within the Church who cannot be
controlled by the institution they claim to owe alleigance to.

More than the violence, an issue of concern would be how the Church sees
itself accountable for the acts of the men it places in positions of power.

I'm not pointing fingers at any individual priest, but this issue has been
coming up far too often. In my neighbouring village of Calangute, a handful
of priests spent a lifetime of scandal. Not only were they not held
accountable, but they were celebrated with huge newspaper advertisements
after their death.

Not once did I read any statement by an institution like the Church on this
front. Unlike the case of our political or often unethical business class,
people do have a lot of expectations from the religious establishment. Of
course, they are only human too, but one expects the motives here to be
different from the average lot.

The tragedy is that such a tendency ruins the reputation of many more
Church-linked individuals, the majority of whom are extremely committed and
devoted to their mission and their work. I guess it must be very
demoralising for them too. Specially, when they come across such
allegations, knowing they have spent a lifetime of commitment ... all to be
dismissed because of the lack of accountability of some other individual.

FN

2010/1/10 JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk


 Church in the past may have said:
 No to SEZ,  No RP11, No Konkan Railway,
 No going to (then) Verna Ashram priest, No Meta Strips etc

 But I don’t remember it saying ‘No to Colva violence’

 Or is it a Church sponsored one?

Re: [Goanet] the church and postmodern culture: conversation

2010-01-10 Thread Ariosto Coelho

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I appreciate the weblink http://churchandpomo.typepad.com/ Venantius Pinto 
has posted.
It's a lengthy set of articles and conversations that require a lot of time to 
browse through and, even more time, to understand.
A summary would be great, in case someone has one.

Ariosto J. Coelho

[Goanet] A trip from Dadar to possibly Terekhol

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A trip from Dadar, Mumbai to possibly Terekhol, Goa. I hope enterprising
Goans have also got into this business. Request to put your announcements on
the Mumbai Hikers site.
http://www.mumbaihikers.org/2010/01/kokan-tour-with-trek-mates-on-23rd-26th.html
1.
Vijaydurg, 2. Devgad, 3. Kunkeshwar, 4. Bhagwantgad,5. Bharatgad, 6.
Sindhudurg, 7. Padmagad, 8. Niwati fort and Niwati beach, 9. Tarkarli beach
(for some water sports), 10. Yashwantgad, 11. Reddi cha Ganapati, 12. Amboli
Ghat. And (if time Permits): 1. Ambolgad, 2. Rajkot, 3. Sarjekot, 4.
Terekhol, 5. Vengurla

As I have said a couple of time to those in my family, its fascinating to
observe that over the years people have run far with the ball. Having the
best of a few possible worlds, and expanding minds.

Think of the possiblity of Pinhole photography in these places, of small
statuary, lintels, cornices, etc.

+
venantius j pinto

Re: [Goanet] Pinhole Photography

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Apropos Gabriel! You just nailed the concept. Superb. It comes down to the
diameter of the aperture, distance the light has to travels from the
aperture to the film plane (this determines exposure time, and sharpeness),
and other variable one may incorporate to make images with ones stamp on it.
Now that is an unshakable/unswaying memory of Goa, worth writing a poem
on, reenacting or illustrating, or scripting/shooting it a one minute short
film. Very moving, an in the tradition of the phenomenologist Gaston
Bachelard's, The Poetics of Space.

Those interested please look at this site and then emulate from a starting
point.
http://www.zeroimage.com/http://www.zeroimage.com/web2003/EntryPage/entryFrameset.htm
http://www.zeroimage.com/web2003/EntryPage/entryFrameset.htmAlso click on
Accessories, this on the fourth image; see: Pinhole/Zoneplate Adapter for
Copal #0 Shutter
Please do not blow your money; but I keep forgetting that people are not
doing too shabbily by most standards.

http://www.zeroimage.com/web2003/EntryPage/entryFrameset.htmPEOPLE/VISUAL
enthusiasts/Bonia/entrepreneurs/Posorkars -- yes you too, Tarcars,
Shirodcars, Narcars, and assorted chorcars-nadcars all have a
place/Photographers of the Alternative idiom:
Consider  making your own boxes and start selling. You will have to get into
a bit of milling perhaps. The edge of the hole if it is precise will give a
different result.

(Note to Lurkers: Do Something. Murari yeh kalpana sar par tankar jayo hero
ban lo.)

Also look at the old Box cameras which use 120 film. One kept the shutter
open and then let go -- the cap swept across the aperture blocking the
light. Perfect to shoot sleeping buddhas, and baptismal founts, and copels
and vanno/chappals. There was a time when I was very keen on all this stuff,
basically getting a grip on the notion of dreamed planes/space.Then I
realized that I am one person. My approach to learning has been to push the
extremes, although after amassing a lot of theory one does not need to do
much of that anymore. I will back to this in twenty years.

All the best Gabriel.
All the best People.

venantius j pinto


Message: 5
 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 04:55:51 -0800 (PST)
 From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au
 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Pinhole Photography

 Funny that.

 Reminds me of the times when I used to have my shower in the afternoon
 (time when water was available) in Panjim, in the months of March/April. The
 various tiny chinks in the tiles would act as pinhole?lenses as it were,
 with me in the dark camera of the bathroom, watching in fascination as the
 neighbouring coconut tree would project itself upside-down on the
 wall?swaying in the light breezes.??I suppose the position of the sun had to
 do with the images during those particular months.

[Goanet] Goans.

2010-01-10 Thread Jagdish Gangolly

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Floriano,

No need to translate, I speak konkani natively.
Unfortunately, my Chitrapur Saraswat Konkani
sounds different.

Ammi manthathi:

Thuven kalle lellya? Kallen karta? Kallen Kartalo,  Goenka?

The above should illustrate the point I was making.
The same language written in so many ways, and words
pronounced so many ways. I wish we all could agree on
the script, a common bag of words, and common grammar.

In the long run, if I am correct, your Goan version with
Latin script and Portuguese style spellings will prevail.
At least I hope so, for there is critical mass and the dedication
for the  development of Konkani in Goa more than any where else.

Jagdish

Re: [Goanet] What are we waiting for?


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Tony,
It is my mission to expose these,  your colorfully,  worded lot.
At least one of the so called genuine (minority) FF repented his old age and 
feebleness for not being able to work towards bringing back the Portuguese 
after he was shabbily treated by the Goa's so called Police. He sadly never 
recovered from the shock.  And there are others who withdrew their names 
from the FF list including the great Goan traitor, and just as well.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org

PS: One simple 'PIL' will make them (FFs) strip their underwears, and I 
don't mean viagra  :-))

PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour...What's Zat???




- Original Message - 
From: Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com

To: Goa's Premiere Mailing List, Estd 1994 goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] What are we waiting for?


Dear Florry,
I've said elsewhere that there is no such thing as a free lunch or dinner.
Nothing comes for free.  There were perhaps a few sincere ones. I mean
FFs.
Most of them, however on the FFs list are there for the benefits -
Pension,
reservation, facilities - concessions etc. In medical parlance, there is a
term for them - charlatans or plain quacks.

Rgds

Tony de Sa

[Goanet] Selma Carvalho: Who the Bleep cares about a repository of our past?

2010-01-10 Thread Eddie Fernandes

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Title: Who the Bleep cares about a repository of our past?
By: Selma Carvalho
Source: Goan Voice UK Daily Newsletter 11 Jan 2009

Full text:

Last week I bought two items on eBay, both of them were sketches of the
Strangers' Home at Limehouse in London, which appeared in the Illustrated
London News of 1870.  At first thought, Goans may wonder why I would be
interested in a Strangers' Home which existed in London of the 19th century.
The Strangers' Home, built near London's dockland area was a boarding house
for Asian and African sailors who docked at London Port. These sailors were
left to fend for themselves, the ships employing them generally abdicating
any responsibility for their wellbeing while they were docked. 

The living conditions of Asian sailors were abysmal; fatigued from months on
the sea, diseased and impoverished, they were often seen walking the streets
without so much as a coat to protect them from the vicious onslaught of the
bitter English weather.  Their misery goaded a Victorian England's sense of
justice into action and the house was built with donations from
philanthropic souls. We know that Goan tarvottis working on British India
ships stayed at the Strangers' home and in 1872, the London Times newspaper
reported 23 men from Bombay and Goa resided there. The Strangers' Home is
part of the Goan's rich maritime history.
 
In many ways, we Goans have failed to create a visual repository of our
past. This becomes all the more important as we suffer from a great deal of
self-flagellating questions about our identity. But what is identity? Is
identity just an examination of such cultural baubles as our music, food and
language? Or should we investigate deeper? An examination of our historical
past is of the utmost importance if we are to piece together any semblance
of a Goan identity at a more profound level.

What were the lives like of these people who lived in these conditions? How
did they unfold to form our collective consciousness? Just a glance at the
etching of the Strangers' Home, reveals the diversity of people the tarvotti
would have had to contend with. There were Africans, Chinese, Punjabis,
Bengalese and a host of sailors who would have seemed alien to the tarvotti
setting out from the more cloistered confines of Velim, Assolna or
Chinchinim. This mingling was already expanding the Goan psyche, broadening
the tarvotti world-view beyond the hemmed-in horizons of the village. He
came back with stories larger than life sometimes true and sometimes
embellished, his tales moving the humble Goan soul to yearn for an unseen
world which seemed endlessly wide. The thus agrarian farmer dependent on the
vagaries of nature was being infused with the spirit of the sea-explorer,
engaging with the elements in constant battle and learning to negotiate with
a foreign world.

This negotiation was fraught with anxiety and at times, danger. Violence was
all too prevalent onboard the ships and in the docks. Being cloistered with
other men for months on end with only the blue of the sea for company and
memory of land for comfort, fights broke out frequently.  Quite a few Goans
spent time in jails, sometimes in countries as distant and as foreign as
Cuba. Jailed for minor infractions or major crimes, the tarvotti was
invariably at a disadvantage when it came to putting together a defence. In
July of 1911, Francisco Carlo Godinho was charged with the murder of an
Alice Emily Brewster? on board the SS China. Allegedly Alice's haughty and
insulting behaviour had put off Francisco, a steward onboard the ship. A
reading of Francisco's trial in The Times makes it immediately clear how
biased the case was against him. All the while, Francisco pleaded that he
could not participate in his defence for while the evidence had been
translated into Hindi, he only understood Konkani.

However precarious the lives of these men were, it was a danger tinged with
excitement. No longer bound to the parochial realities of solitary villages,
Goan tarvottis influenced every sphere of our lives. A representation of our
identity must include a visual repository of our past and a deeper
understanding of what forces shaped Goan lives, defined our moral values and
formed our collective consciousness. Only then, can we put together, much
like a jigsaw puzzle, a map of who we really are, what we stand for and what
we hope to achieve in the future.

For a view of the exterior of The Strangers' House, see
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90182...@n00/4260010401/

For a view of the interior, see 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90182...@n00/4260010301/

   
Do leave your feedback at carvalho_...@yahoo.com

[Goanet] What are we waiting for

2010-01-10 Thread Carmen Miranda

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Hi Goanetters

Tony de Sa has finally answered my question by writing, and I quote:



“What gets my goat is when NRGs pontificate from their

comfort zones as to how we resident Goans should run our state and who or

whom we should have elected. We do not want sermons from afar. Remember that

most of those who have gone abroad have had their eyes on greener pastures.”
– end of quote.



Well, please don’t generalise Mr Sa. It is precisely because it seems to us
goans abroad, that our bothers and sisters in Goa are fighting a loosing
battle trying to stop Goa from going down the drain, that some of us with
the best of intentions and good will  are trying to see if there is anything
we can do to help.



And by the way, not all of us living abroad had our eyes in greener
pastures, and don’t you have any illusions and assume that life here is easy
and without any tough struggles to survive including inflation,
unemployment, corrupt politicians, corrupt builders, racism, home sickeness,
snow, and so on. We don’t live in “abroad paradise”, far from it., and not
all of us abroad are affluent and rich – we  work hard, long hours and
struggle as much as you do in Goa if not more.



As for “pontificating from our comfort zones”, I would rather exchange the
comfort I had when I lived in Goa than my “comfort zone” in London.


Furthermore, you don’t know the circumstances that have forced many of us to
live abroad, when we would rather be in Goa, so don’t put all goans in the
same basket. Not all of us are like the, and I quote Tony Sa  again :
 “ smug Goan from Toledo, Mississauga…. giving us a sermon on how we should
run our own Government, State or Panchayat.” end of quote.

Don’t know who you are referring to neither do I care.



I and many people both abroad and in Goa think that Goa could do with all
the help it can get before it is too late.



The easiest thing for me, at my age and  being a proud grandmother, would be
to remain happily in “my comfort zone” disconnect from Goa, and let business
as usual just blow the last coup de grace and wipe out the Goa I love, for
once and for all.  But I am instead taking the trouble and time to attempt
to help and salvage what is left and worth saving.



So don’t be so dismissive of us, and of what we may be able to contribute to
Goa, just because we don’t live there. There are advantages and
disadvantages for everyone of course.  The advantage some of us may have
from abroad is to have perhaps a broader perspective, to be able to see “the
wood for the trees”, not influenced by local politics or dependent on local
politicians, different skills and know-how that might be useful if we shared
and worked together in this process of trying to do something constructive
for Goa.



As for all those still wasting time going on about who is a goan
first, or  indian
second and cursing the new goans in Goa and old goans abroad , getting in a
tangle and avoiding  the important issues and concerns – it is about time we
change the record…..it is getting pathetic and the “tone” of the discussion
is now getting uncomfortably low…. Let’s try and call it a day.



Before I end however, consider this : what we are first of all is HUMAN
BEINGS, secondly CITIZENS OF PLANET EARTH.  All that business of citizenship
and nationality are just pieces of paper and tiresome bureaucracy to control
society.



What ever I AM, I carry it in my head and my hearth and not in my Passport,
and this is HUMANITY, LOVE AND SENSE OF JUSTICE, besides a genuine concern
for  the wellbeing of humanity, the environment and preservation of life on
planet Earth.



My heart however is big enough to be able to go and help people and offer my
services and fight anywhere in the world which I have done often.  However,
Goa is where I was born, and has a special place in my hearth, and I have
every right to try one last time and help if I want to do so, with or
without your cooperation. As I said before, it is better to try and fail
than fail to try.  Amen!



Now change the record please!



Cheers!



Carmen

[Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: Report of TAKE FLIGHT Youth workshop

2010-01-10 Thread George Pinto

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Goa Sudharop's PANJIM YOUTH WORKSHOP TAKE FLIGHT

66 students attended the workshop TAKE FLIGHT organized by Goa Sudharop at 
Caritas, Panaji on 10 January 2010. The break up is as follows: 20 - Dhempo 
HSSC, Miramar, 12 - Fr Agnel's College, Pilar, 15 - DM College, Assagao, 8 - 
Govt College, Khandola, 3 -  Xavier College, Mapusa, 2 - VMS Law College, 
Miramar, 1 - PCCE, Verna, 5 - other youth.

Sandhya Palekar managed the registration desk in the morning.

President of JCI Santa Inez, Rupesh Naik and Sanket Pai helped with the 
arrangements.

Fr. Maverick Fernandes and Dr. Joe D'Souza were the chief guests for the 
inaugural and valedictory sections.

Mr. Ibonio D'souza, Goa Sudharop representative, welcomed the gathering at the 
inaugural and proposed the vote of thanks at the valedictory.

Resource persons included Pravin Sabnis, Soter D'Souza, Dr. Bernadette Gomes, 
Dr. Anil Rane, Miguel Braganza.

Young Ms. Shilla Almeida, on a private visit to Goa to learn more about Goa 
Sudharop activities in Goa, was an active participant at the workshop.

Ms. Valerie Rodrigues, Adv. Satish Sonak and Harshada Kerkar also visited the 
proceedings.

Thanks to everyone for making the event a success.

Goa Sudharop
www.goasudharop.org

[Goanet] Goa news for January 11, 2010

2010-01-10 Thread Goanet News Service

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Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** Mahindra vs SC Goa - Goal.com
scape-for-mahindra-united_1333267usg=AFQjCNFN_jl5MgGMpIiIkdtNXh91lLM55wGreat
escape for Mahindra United
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.goal.com/en-india/match/43809/mahindra-united-vs-sporting-clube-de-goa/play-by-playusg=AFQjCNHkGX2ZQxrxFabgxDMZnli5FBQFvA

*** 'Molested' airhostess can't fly to Goa - Mid-Day
ayConcerned for the safety of its 'molested' airhostess Manisha,
SpiceJet has restricted her from working on flights to and from
Goa. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.mid-day.com/news/2010/jan/080110-SpiceJet-Churchill-Brothers-footballers-molested.htmusg=AFQjCNFO7a_O8TLsTZBjk689b3PNKk_rNg

*** Medical insurance for Russian tourists in Goa - Times of
India
ased firm supported by the Russian government is offering
policies that will allow ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Medical-insurance-for-Russian-tourists-in-Goa/articleshow/5427096.cmsusg=AFQjCNEWA2ALNRFiqZxDjIOVTiLDE_b1_g

*** December too 'hectic' for anti-drug raids: Goa police -
Little About (blog)
ttle About (blog)Panaji, Jan 10 : The Goa police, under pressure
for their failure to check rampant sale of drugs in the state,
Sunday blamed a 'hectic' December for not ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.littleabout.com/news/56105,december-hectic-anti-drug-raids-goa-police.htmlusg=AFQjCNGeo3UA11SGx4mtSXEYiTwR9xp9xw

*** Venkat's Goa on Jan 29? - Sify
fyThough the audio of Goa was released officially by Rajinikanth
at his house, the audio CD's reached the market only last
Saturday (Jan 9). ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://sify.com/movies/fullstory.php?id=14926837usg=AFQjCNFjYOJ728tBp49dJilipdXHx3_65A

*** Goa bans bikini-clad women from advertisements -
Thaindian.com
lad women from their tourism promotions in order to uphold the
tourist ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/goa-bans-bikini-clad-women-from-advertisements_100301802.htmlusg=AFQjCNGo9Bu7797uggMq1hgqjjwdZynAcQ

*** Celebrations, the Goan way - Times of India
mes of IndiaIt's said that there's no better place to be on New
Year's Eve than Goa. And the celebrations at the recently opened
Praia Resort and Club in Goa proved ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/filmi-parties/bollywood/Celebrations-the-Goan-way/articleshow/5430210.cmsusg=AFQjCNF15zhs_NKCk3JAHRCkxCy-kvJjSw

*** Goa-bound passengers stranded at airport - Times of India
ound domestic flight were stranded for over four hours at Sardar
Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Goa-bound-passengers-stranded-at-airport-/articleshow/5425481.cmsusg=AFQjCNEkJGFBhMa0QrfphAhaADWU48fqJg

*** Snag-hit UK plane lands safely in Goa - Herald Publications
rald PublicationsOver 250 passengers had a narrow escape when a
British flight developed technical snag midair and was forced to
make an emergency landing at Dabolim airport ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=32085cid=2usg=AFQjCNH42jdQpqSDwljdETuKGS90xlCmxA

*** One breast cancer case daily in Goa! - Herald Publications
rald PublicationsThe unit will travel to every nook and corner
of Goa. Dr Pinto says all women should consult a doctor once in
a year to get themselves checked for breast ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=32082cid=2usg=AFQjCNGBaegBuxys9CzRNYXQVXaHHuyx0g


Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php

[Goanet] Is Goan Indian?

2010-01-10 Thread Mario Goveia

Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:08:01 +
From: Cajetan Alvares cajul...@googlemail.com

No matter how much I explain to you, you will never become xanno.
Obvious reason being which place you were born in!
Therefore xanno or no xanno, if born in Indian subcontinent, now, before or
after, no atter what colour or creed or shape or size.
You are _ _ _ _ _ (fill in)

Mario observes:

Not true, Cajetan, this Moidekar actually happens to be xanno, though we have 
no idea who he is.  I see you, too, have been distracted by Samir's red 
bangadas.

Where you were born is a matter of random chance you had no control over.

The country you later choose to be a citizen of is a matter of informed and 
intelligent choice.  In most case the informed and intelligent choice is to 
ratify the random chance.  In many cases it is not.

There are entire countries where almost all the citizens, except for small 
numbers of indigenous people, have an ancestry, now, before or after, from 
somewhere else.  Perhaps you have heard of these countries which are Australia, 
Canada, New Zealand and the USA.

Now, can we get back to the discussion about the growing mess in Goa and what 
to do about it?

Re: [Goanet] Re. Proud to be a Goan, I am an Indian first

2010/1/10 Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com


 Of course Sachin will can be a proud Maharashtrian in the forseeable future
 but can we  be proud Goans in the near future; as by then our identity
 might  not exist!!


The Goan identity is keeping on evolving and changing. If you ask someone
from pre-1961 Goa, he might not consider today's Goa to be Goan enough! I
wonder what pre-1510 Goans thought of the change in identity that took
place then. Ditto for the pre-Parashuram Goans!

FN

Re: [Goanet] Proud to be a Goan, I am an Indian first

To Goanet -


Arwin Mesquita wrote:
 Samir.. if what you say is true (I  hope its not) then I 
 suggest you and those who dont care about Goan Identity 
give up the proud to be Goan part if your slogan.  
Arwin


Arwin,

Continue with the splendid work you have been
doing.  Leave Kelekar alone - rubbishing him is
my job (and his karma).

Regards,


r

[Goanet] Proud to be a Goan first, I am a Goan

2010-01-10 Thread Bernado Colaco

Remnants of those with loud throats in 61 are now covering the bayankar 
mistakes of that period. What are the conditions for Goans to invest given the 
status of non-governance for over 4 decades? Will any person with sense throw 
in money to only have it lost in the corrupt environment? 
 
The NRG chefe has been making promises for decades to ameliorate things are 
there any results?
 
BC
 
One needs to realize that for a young person in today's world making a good
living is high priority. That is what all the NRGs in this forum
have done. Now that they are cosy, they are talking identity.

Unless we solve the problem of these young people, we cannot solve
the problem of Goan identity, I feel.

Re: [Goanet] 'Don't suppress freedom of expression' (Times of India)

2010-01-10 Thread tom

The world is a place for free enterprise; Freedom of speech is a must in 
a democratic government.


If the issue is of defamation, the issue has to be settled in the court 
of law; blocking roads and damaging property is not an answer to the 
problem.


The lyrics for dogui bodmas is been circulated in youtube and the 
forthcoming movie will hit box office thanks to the unnecessary publicity.


Tom de Sousa, Hong Kong

[Goanet] Proud to be a Goan

Samir.. if what you say is true (I  hope its not) then I suggest you and
those who dont care about Goan Identity give up the proud to be Goan part
if your slogan.  Arwin

Instead of speculating, it is best one gets some data and finds out.
And what the heck is Goan identity ?

I, Samir Kelekar, who has been out of Goa since age 16 more or less
all the time, is my identity Goan ?

Does today's 20 year old kid born and raised in Goa not have Goan
identity ?

His identity / personality would be probably way different from
Arwin's. One needs to note that Goan identity is not static and
changes with the times.

Whether I am proud to be a Goan is my business and no body else's.

regards,
Samir

[Goanet] Shubha Mudgal - a portrait

To Goanet -

http://www.parrikar.com/blog/2010/01/10/shubha-mudgal-a-portrait


r

Re: [Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: Report of TAKE FLIGHT Youth workshop

George, Any synopsis of the points made?

Asking also because of the point often made about the disjunct between
expat- and local concerns. FN

2010/1/10 George Pinto georgejpi...@yahoo.com:

 Resource persons included Pravin Sabnis,
 Soter D'Souza, Dr. Bernadette Gomes,
 Dr. Anil Rane, Miguel Braganza.

 Young Ms. Shilla Almeida, on a private
 visit to Goa to learn more about Goa
 Sudharop activities in Goa, was an
 active participant at the workshop.

-- 
Frederick Noronha

[Goanet] the church and postmodern culture:conversation

Hi Ariosto and Goanetters,
As you know for sure, these matters are not easily
understood/comprehensible, much less easily written; even though we are not
exactly lacking in such comprehensions. One may approach a summary on the
general  focus of the site (which is apparent), although not necessarily and
validly the approaches of the many writer, thinkers, theologians,
psychoanalysts, artists, and those in pastoral infinitude.

I doubt anyone has a summary, including me. However, I will ask one whom I
highly esteem if he would consent to take a stab at summarizing the
site/albeit briefly some of its contents. Should he decline his name will
not be revealed.

I am not ready to voice my thoughts on the context between the church and
postmodern culture. But along with sexuality and consciousness I look
closely at religion, and other paths seeking  relevance to our being. On
occasion I contemplate on was it that led me to these concerns, and do wish
other artists, including  our Goans would voice their ideas, notions and
thoughts on existence, however fearful the thought to do so may appear to
them.

venantius j pinto

Message: 5
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:21:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Ariosto Coelho ariostocoe...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] the church and postmodern culture: conversation

I appreciate the weblink http://churchandpomo.typepad.com/ Venantius Pinto
has posted.
It's a lengthy set of articles and conversations that require a lot of time
to browse through and, even more time, to understand.
A summary would be great, in case someone has one.

Ariosto J. Coelho

--

[Goanet] Double Standards in Western press

2010-01-10 Thread Gilbert Lawrence

I think you have missed the point of the post and the cartoon.  Just because 
it is an Indian on Indian (or in USA a black on black) crime, it is no reason 
for the police to be complacent.  The victims of crimes are victims, 
irrespective of the perpetrator and whether the victims are Indian, White or 
any other ethnic group.

The point of my post, was the Indian newspaper's witty and pointed message of 
the cartoon, (no pun intended) regarding the response of the Australian police, 
was taken as an affront by the Australian cabinet minister.  No such luck when 
cartoons in the Western media distort and / or offend the ethnic or religious 
sensitivities of other groups / nationalities.  

If one believes in freedom of the press, the minister should have stayed out 
of the reporting of a free-press.  I guess we know  when and where the shoe 
bites.  

Thanks for telling us the crimes against Indians were perpetrated by other 
Indians. Now the Indians who live down-under can sleep better, especailly if 
they have a White Australian girlfriend / boyfriend /  mistress.
Regards, GL
  
--- Gabriel de Figueiredo 

Some of the news don't mention the nationalities/origins of the attackers when 
they do mention the nationalities/origins of the victims as Indians, which can 
cause a distortion in understanding the motives behind some of the attacks. 
There was an Indian attacked in one of my friends' neighbourhood, which was 
reported in the local press - later transpired that the attackers were 
themselves other Indians, who had had prior altercations earlier on.

I presume the trend is similar in other parts of the world.

[Goanet] Dead or Alive – MondayMuse(11Jan2010 )

2010-01-10 Thread Pravin Sabnis

MONDAY MUSE (11 January 2010)

DEAD OR ALIVE

   Yesterday, at a youth leadership development workshop organised by Goa 
Sudharop, the Chief Guest, Fr Maverick Fernandes was at his innovative best. 
Instead of speaking from the podium, he walked to the whiteboard and wrote 
about a person born in 1976, dead in 2000 and buried in 2006. Then he asked the 
young participants about whether such a situation was plausible.

    The interaction that followed threw up many suggestions. Some opined 
about a possible delay in finding the body after death. Others imagined that 
there was some sort of dispute over the dead body. Fr Maverick led the 
discussion to consider that the death was actually referring to a disconnect 
with real living by the person. A situation where the person was technically 
existing but not living in the real sense!

 We need to ask ourselves the questions that Fr Maverick queried of his 
listeners... Are we akin to such a person whose living purpose is only to 
exist? Is there meaning and purpose in our lives? Does our existence mean 
anything for the world that we live in? Are we dead or alive to the challenges 
that loom beyond our existential needs? 

  So easily we insulate ourselves from being alive and responsive to 
the situation that surrounds us. So often we are dead before a real death. So 
often we bury our heads in our comfort zones and ignore the real reality out 
there. Let’s be better at choosing to be alive and proactively responsive to 
every challenge that comes with life.

 To every trial that comes with being...
Let’s BE BETTER at responsive living!

 - Pravin K. Sabnis 





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http://in.yahoo.com/

Re: [Goanet] Goans.


Dear Jagdish,

I am happy for you and happy for Goa that Konkanni is loved and used by more 
Goans than I thought.


Eventually, we Goans will have to take 'your' suggestion and get to work, 
for Goa's sake and for the sake of restoring our identity as Goans so that 
what the Portuguese wanted/intended and coerced into ousting the learning in 
Goan's mother tongue  is corrected once and for all to the satisfaction of 
all Konkanni mogis and the sons/daughters of GOA.


Thank you for the response.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
www.goasu-raj.org

PS: Marathi has never been the mother tongue of Goans, only of the Marathi 
setlers in Goa. We have never had any problems with Marathi as a 
'language'.. but the problem is that it is being forced on Goans to the 
detriment of the maim-bhas of Goa and Goans.

PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour... What's Zat???  . Konkanni 

- Original Message - 
From: Jagdish Gangolly gango...@gmail.com

To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:59 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Goans.



Floriano,

No need to translate, I speak konkani natively.
Unfortunately, my Chitrapur Saraswat Konkani
sounds different.

Ammi manthathi:

Thuven kalle lellya? Kallen karta? Kallen Kartalo,  Goenka?

The above should illustrate the point I was making.
The same language written in so many ways, and words
pronounced so many ways. I wish we all could agree on
the script, a common bag of words, and common grammar.

In the long run, if I am correct, your Goan version with
Latin script and Portuguese style spellings will prevail.
At least I hope so, for there is critical mass and the dedication
for the  development of Konkani in Goa more than any where else.

Jagdish

[Goanet] fool's paradise

Josebab:
Making a few points clear.

1) I have to attend the summons of the Goa Assembly on the 22 nd of this month. 
The
matter is still on going. Just that like many others, I dont post every small 
thing on
the Internet here.

2) Rajan Parrikar's citizenship had to be exposed not out of venom, but his 
below-the-belt attack on Oscar Rebello was uncalled for. He could have talked 
to Oscar, or even continued with his GPA or whatever. No one prevented him from 
doing so. Oscar has done much more than Rajan (what has Rajan achieved other 
than putting some pics.
and one PIL ?) and no one will deny it.

3) Where was Rajan's love for Goa when he discarded Indian citizenship ? 
Rajan's love for Goa
is that of a married man's love for a girl friend period. Rest all is baloney. 
The bloke is
an opportunist that is all. If he has the guts, he needs to change his 
citizenship to Indian period.

4) I have alredy thanked Goanettters for what they have done for me, and 
everyone knows it.

5) Finally, me being a citizen the politicians can at the most imprison me; 
they certainly cant
deport me. Rajan on the other hand can be asked to vos mar the moment he 
becomes
a nuisance.

6) Goa govt. listens when thousands of Indians come on the street. It needs to 
be
seen what happens if thousands of OCIs come on the street. It is one thing 
thumping
the keyboard from the safety of a foreign country and another coming on the 
street or
even doing it from India.

regards,
Samir

Re: [Goanet] Philistines at the Gate

Hi Floriano, Did your forefathers know where the boundaries of Goa would end
up? Also, what if the history of Portuguese conquests in Goa had been
different? Were you considered Goan before Bardez and Salcete were joined
to the islands :-) FN

2010/1/10 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com

 PS: I am pround of my forefathers for having opted for the former and for
 handing me the aura of being a Goan, which is certainly different than being
 an Indian. :-))


-- 
Frederick Noronha
Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography ::
blogging

[Goanet] Goa links...

According to senior officials in the MHA, the earlier lax tourist visa
regime had emboldened several Russian and Israeli tourists to not only
base themselves in Goa but also carry out businesses illegally. “The
new visa rules will ensure that foreigners bring us earnings, rather
than making an earning,” noted a senior home ministry official.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/NIA-nets-Goa-based-US-man/articleshow/5389943.cms

Goa Tourism Minister Mickky Pacheco's stay at the plush Ritz Carlton
hotel in London for a tourism mart has cost the government nearly
Rs.1lakh, the state legislative assembly was told Tuesday.
http://sify.com/news/Goa-minister-39-s-London-stay-cost-nearly-Rs-100-000-news-National-jmprkdajbhj.html

Clarifying his remarks, Tharoor said: “I was summarising Lord Parekh’s
main points. I went on to point out that there was more to Nehruvian
policies than that, alluding to the use of force in Goa as an example
of realpolitik in Indian policy,” he added. “Not one among the large
numbers of professional diplomats present found anything controversial
in the event,” Tharoor said.
http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/11/201001112010011100195255763af08ae/Tharoor-blames-media.html


-- 
Frederick Noronha

[Goanet] Life Behind The Iron Curtains in our Mai Desh in Dante's Inferno, Dantewada

There is life being brutalised behind the Iron Curtains in our Mai Desh in
Dantewada (a sacrificial offering of a neo Dante's Inferno to Mata), where
the State fights civil society, leave alone the Maoists. I sometimes wonder
how it would play out for our Goans politicians if they have something to
say on what is happening in other states instead of conveniently lambasting
Goan stalwarts, and helping maintain, or would that be assailing our 5,000
year and counting sounskruti (sankriti-civilization), on a new kridangan
(playground). ---vjp 
Life Behind The Iron Curtain
*The hounding of activist **Himanshu Kumar** is a parable about the war and
panic in Chhattisgarh and the complete blackout of information, reports **TUSHA
MITTAL
(excerpt 1)
When his wife first joined him, he told her to replace her make-up kit with
medicines. Despite living in this Maoist-dominated conflict zone for nearly
two decades, despite its many intimidations, Kumar has never felt the urge
to flee. Until now that is – when the might of the State is upon him. *

(excerpt 2)
At a recent press conference in Raipur, Chhattisgarh DGP Vishwa Ranjan told
journalists on record that there could be police action against them if they
wrote in favour of Naxalites. Two weeks ago in Dantewada, DIG SR Kalluri
called journalists into his office for one-on-one sessions. “He told us not
to write in favour of the Naxals (euphemism for not writing anything against
the State) and said the police have their eyes on us,” says NRK Pillai,
vice-president of the Chhattisgarh Working Journalists Union. “The
atmosphere isn’t conducive. There’s no one really to back us. Press owners
will not stand by us. There’s always the fear of what will happen to our
families.”

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main43.asp?filename=Ne160110life_behind.asp


http://www.tehelka.com/story_main43.asp?filename=Ne160110life_behind.asp
venantius
j pinto

[Goanet] The way forward

To Goanet -

Now that we have decisively established that there is absolutely 
nothing Samir Kelekar can do about my American citizenship, 
my opportunism  my undying love of greenbacks except
babble from Bengaluru, we move on to more important 
matters.

Now then, what is the way forward?  The big guns - DLF et al - 
have taken direct aim moving this into the big league.  A court 
case here and there will achieve little, and they drag on for
years.  Time is not on our side.  You don't fight a cancer with 
a band-aid.  

Let be back up a bit.  What we are staring at in Goa is a
disaster of epic proportions.  Forget aesthetics (only a 
clueless clown will bring up aesthetics).  The very basics
of life are in peril: water, breathable air, space to live (a
Goan coming out of college today can no longer afford a
place in his own village/town when the Sharmas and Varmas
from Delhi are on the prowl with their moneybags), safety
and security, a wholesome environment for children to grow, etc.  
The builders  miners  casino operators will finish Goa off 
long before the effects of climate change kick in.

This must be attacked at the root.  The govt has to 
be put on notice.  Note that when the govt fails to address
the aspirations of those who put it in power and instead
actively works to undermine the interests of its citizens,
it is entirely legit for those citizens to rise up in resistance.
That's Gandhi 101 for you.

A temporary halt to ALL construction (exceptions perhaps for 
single family homes of Goans owning property) and land 
conversion is essential until we sort out where we are right 
now in terms of land use.

No mega-projects.  No questions.  The specifications crafted
must be clear  simple with no room for interpretation (i.e.
loopholes) and such that an untutored villagers should be able 
to figure out what is and is not permissible. We do not not
architects to craft plans for Goa.  This is not rocket science
(and if it were, I would recruit a rocket scientist, not an
architect).

Now - any proposal that calls for a halt to construction
activity will be fought tooth and nail by the builders 
and the politicos, through their chamchas in the media and 
their moles in activist circles.  All sorts of bullpucky will
be thrown at you by the usual suspects on why halting 
construction is impracticable, unwise, unachieavable, etc etc. 

A complete overhaul of land-use laws and rules can only
come through a mass people's movement.  Likewise the
uncontrolled migrant influx in Goa has to be addressed.
There is no leadership in sight right now to marshall and
mobilize Goans.  There are protests in some villages but
no coordinated strategy or direction for any meaningful
change.  The one chance we had - in Dec 2006 - GBA blew it.  
Will we learn from past mistakes?  I don't know.

So - where do we go from here?  How can the momentum 
be regenerated?  If you have any ideas, put them on the table.  

Warm regards,


r

[Goanet] THE DI BUILDING TURNS 50 - Tell Us Your Story !

2010-01-10 Thread Mervyn Lobo

Folks,
This was my contribution to the souvenir for the 50th anniversary celebration 
of the 'new' clubhouse of the Dar-es-salaam Institute which was celebrated on 
31st December, 2009.
Mervyn
-
  

My parents, Dick and Tina Lobo, were the last couple to have their wedding 
reception in the old G.I. building. They got married on 26th October, 1957 and 
the old building got knocked down a week later. What makes this date more 
memorable is that another couple, also Diogo and T. Lobo got married on the 
same day, at the same church and had their reception at the G.I. too. Diogo and 
Thecla Lobo's reception was from lunch time onwards and my folks had theirs in 
the evening. 


I was taken to the new club house on its opening day. That's the day, I am 
told, I learnt to both walk and run as I explored every corner of the new 
building. Ever since, the club has been a magical place to me. I clearly 
remember Santa dancing on the roof of the club, in the early 1960s, before he 
came down to the tennis court and distributed the presents that our parents had 
bought. There used to be over 600 kids, waiting patiently, in three lines, for 
Santa to give them their Xmas presents.


The social event of the 1960s was the Sunday evening tombola. While our parents 
played in the hall, we kids got to play and fight with each other on the sunken 
floor and behind the band-stage. As we grew older, the pass time was for the 
town boys to fill an empty potato chip plastic packet with sand and throw it 
high in the air so that the sand fell on the heads of the Upanga boys.  A few 
years later, the game to play was four poles, on the band-stage.


During the late sixties and early seventies, the St. Vincent de Paul Society 
would organise a Whist Drive around Christmas time. While too young to play 
cards at the time, I do clearly remember some of the best chutney sandwiches in 
the world. That and some super hamper prizes, of which my parents won one or 
two.


My most memorable D.I. moment of the 1970s is the Saturday evening when I went 
to the club and saw Mother Theresa sitting on one of the chairs in the office. 
She had just got permission to open her orphanage and was waiting to give a 
fund raising speech in the club. Around the same time, the 2nd Dar-es-Salaam 
Boy Scouts - The Arch-Bishops Own - sent Santa down to the sunken floor on a 
thick sisal rope that stretched from the roof, above the round-about, to the 
sunken floor. George Remedious was Santa that year and he slowly  floated down 
on the sling attached to the rope. After that, my sisters, and others, believed 
that Santa lived on the roof of the club.


The eighties were the years when my generation enjoyed ourselves the most. We 
worked till 12.00 noon on Saturday and then headed straight to the club. As 
relative beginners, we only got to play knock-out  darts in the bar for the few 
minutes before the pombe, pombe i.e. hard core dart players arrived. Many a 
Saturday afternoon ended with a sing song near the round-about.  Snooker, 
table-tennis and cards also attracted a lot of members' interest then. 


What I will never forget is the annual Marrieds v/s Singles festivals. They 
still go on but like any ol' hand, I will claim that those of the 1980s were 
the best. Particularly delightful to watch was the nation-ball and tug-of-war 
competitions. People who you would never think of as being fast movers, 
suddenly became so. 


When I left Dar in the 1990s, my main social activity in the D.I. was playing 
lardis. If anything, that is when I got some idea on what excellent memories 
most of the card players had. 


The D.I. remains the best club house I have been too, both physically and in 
the quality of its members.  It is also where I had some of my most memorable 
moments. It will always remain a magical place for me as I am sure it does for 
most of you.


 Mervyn Lobo








    



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[Goanet] It's official: India has lost 'substantial' land to China

2010-01-10 Thread Mario


It's official: India has lost 'substantial' land to China


 

 The area along Line of Actual Control with China has 'shrunk' over a period
of time and India has lost substantial amount of land in the last two
decades, says an official report.

At a recent meeting held in Leh, which was attended by officials from the
Jammu and Kashmir government, Ministry of Home Affairs and Army, it was
agreed that there was difference in the maps of various agencies and that
there was lack of proper mapping of the area.

The meeting was chaired by Commissioner (Leh) A K Sahu and attended among
others by Brigadier General Staff of 14 Corps Brig Sarat Chand and Colonel
Inderjit Singh.

While the absence of proper map was agreed upon, the meeting all the same
felt that 'it is clear and be accepted that India is withdrawing from LAC
and its area has shrunk over a period of time.

Though this process if very slow but we have lost substantial amount of
land in 20-25 years, it was said at the meeting held last month.

According to the minutes of the meeting, it was also identified that there
is a lack of institutional memory in various agencies as well as clear
policy on this issue, which in long run has resulted in loss of territory by
the India in favour of China.

The meeting was called to ensure proper protection to nomads who move with
their cattle to Dokbug area of Nyoma sector during the winter months every
year. In December 2008, Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) had damaged
their tents and threatened them to vacate the land.

They (Chinese) have threatened the nomadic people who had been using Dokbug
area (in Ladakh sector) area for grazing since decades long, in a way to
snatch our land in inches. A Chinese proverb is famous in the world, BETTER
DO IN INCHES THAN IN YARDS, a report filed by former Sub Divisional
Magistrate (Nyoma) Tsering Norboo had said.

Norboo was deputed by the state government to probe complaints of incursion
of the Chinese Army in Dokbug area and threats to the local shepherds to
leave the land as it belonged to them. The area has been used by the
shepherds to graze their livestock as the area is warmer compared to other
parts of Ladakh.

The SDM contended that it was another attempt by the Chinese to claim the
territory as disputed in the same fashion as they had taken Nag Tsang area
opposite to Phuktse airfield in 1984, Nakung in 1991 and Lungma-Serding in
1992.

The area of Dokbug and Doley Tango was frequented by shepherds and nomads
from December to March every year during which their young lambs were
capable to walk.

The SDM has also highlighted the fact that Army stopped these nomads from
vacating the land. The nomads were terrified by the Chinese threats.

Last year, Chinese troops had entered nearly 1.5 km into the Indian
territory on July 31 near Mount Gya, recognised as International border by
India and China, and painted boulders and rocks with China and Chin9 in
red spray paint.

The 22,420 ft Mount Gya, also known as fair princess of snow by Army, is
located at the tri-junction of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir, Spiti in
Himachal Pradesh, and Tibet.  Its boundary was marked during the British era
and regarded as International border by the two countries.

Before this, Chinese helicopters had violated Indian air space on June 21
along the Line of Actual Control in Chumar region and also helli-dropped
some expired food.

Re: [Goanet] fool's paradise

2010-01-10 Thread J. Colaco jc

2010/1/10 Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com:
Josebab:
Making a few points clear.

[1] Rajan Parrikar's citizenship had to be exposed not out of venom,
but his below-the-belt attack on Oscar Rebello was uncalled for.

[2] Oscar has done much more than Rajan . and no one will deny it.

[3] Rajan's love for Goa is that of a married man's love for a girl
friend period. Rest all is baloney.

==

RESPONSE (for the record)

re #1: Grateful if you would please elucidate why you believe that
Rajan's attack on Oscar was 'below-the-belt'

re #2: Grateful if you would please advise us what Oscar has done more
than Rajan (besides Medicine)

re #3: You are like a RC priest doing marriage counselling and
advising family planning. How do you, Samir, know what truly is a
'married man's love for a girl friend'?

jc

Re: [Goanet] The way forward


BEST OF LUCK  plenty of it too.

floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org

PS: Any proposal should have its head on the shoulders :-))
PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour.. What's Zat???   total 
construction ban !




- Original Message - 
From: Rajan P. Parrikar parri...@yahoo.com

To: goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:00 AM
Subject: [Goanet] The way forward

So - where do we go from here?  How can the momentum

be regenerated?  If you have any ideas, put them on the table.

Warm regards,


r

[Goanet] Samir and his problems with Rajan's citizenship.

2010-01-10 Thread anil desai

From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org

Subject: [Goanet] Proud to be a Goan, I am an Indian first

Message-ID: 854961.98327...@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Some of those, mainly who have non-Indian citizenship, have questioned the
fact that I am in Bangalore and not in Goa.

My position is very clear --- like Sachin Tendulkar, I am an Indian first;
of course, I am

proud to be a Goan.

Ask any Californian American --- whether they are a Californian first or an
American first.

regards,
Samir

Response:

Samir,

Your attacks on Rajan are getting a bit tiring now. Couple of days ago, I
saw our PM promising votes for NRIs. I am sure this will include PIO as well
as OCI holders. However, once they have voting rights, I am sure people of
your ilk will find some other reason to object to any good work that people
like Rajan do.

I was in Goa couple of weeks ago. I saw examples of two types of Goans: one
I would admire, the other, equally goan, that I detest.

The decision of the high court in Rajan Parrikar's PIL was reported in a
non-goan newspaper, Tarun Bharat. No Goan paper thought the news was worth
reporting. For the first in the short history of Goa, a municipality has
been forced to form a panel responsible for keeping the city clean and the
contact details of this panel will have to be publicised so that people can
complain if the cleanliness is not maintained. A small blow to the might of
the establishment by a focused, intelligent brave Goan who was prepared to
painstakingly gather evidence of dirt around Panaji and present it to the
courts. What the residents of Panaji and the council will do in future is
upto them but someone put his time and effort as well as money where his
mouth is and did something good to improve the quality of life of a few
Goans.

The other news I read was that Digambar Kamat, the one time leader in
waiting of the saffron brigade and now the Kangress CM has been appointed as
patron saint (or some such grandiose title) of an organisation called MARG.
This is apparently an NGO/CSO. This organisation has been run by a Kelekar.
Any relation? Any idea how much money this organisation takes from the govt
coffers and how much of it goes to the concerned Kelekar?
Is it this financial relationship with Digambar that makes Rajan a thorn in
your side? If so, Goanetters should know.

So, on the one hand, we have Rajan who is prepared to work selflessly for
Goa while we have some niz goenkars on the gravy train. I know which type of
Goans I would lend my support to.

Anil Desai

Re: [Goanet] Church forgives CD producer for slander

Hi all: I think the eyes and ears of the Church tooare taking note of what's
said on Goanet. Point is: is there the will to bring about change? Of
course, it is in the Church's interest itself, if it wants to do it.  FN

2010/1/10 JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk


 Dear Selma, Marshall, FN, Geroge etc
 Pl  also send it to Goan Dailies H, GT  etc (see IDs bellow)
 Church should also change it’s  ‘wait and see’ policy.

-- 
Frederick Noronha
Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography ::
blogging

[Goanet] 26/11

2010-01-10 Thread Rajiv Desai


it's a 48-min long video. please watch. my blood is still boiling.



http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1e4_1246490858

[Goanet] Daily Grook #605

2010-01-10 Thread Francis Rodrigues


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[Goanet] The CRZ Saga Continues

2010-01-10 Thread Freddy Fernandes

HERALD CORRESPONDENT
Khola in perplexed state with 19 structures marked for demolition
HERALD CORRESPONDENT
CANACONA, JAN 10
With the South Goa demolition squad all set to demolish 74 structures in
Poinguinim and Loliem-Polem villages beginning Tuesday, Khola residents have
been left in a perplexed situation with 19 marked CRZ illegal structures.
Beginning Tuesday, the South Goa demolition squad is all set to raze down 40
CRZ-related structures on Poinguinim village coast, mainly in Talpona and
Galgibaga areas.
The Loliem-Polem panchayat area with 34 marked structures is next on the list of
demolition squad from January 18.
However, the demolitions of CRZ-related structures, which even though already
served with demolition orders at Agonda (30) and Khola (19), dates are yet to be
fixed, but expected shortly after the demolitions at two southern coastal
panchayat areas.
Some identified structures responding to the demolition orders have already
demolished structures themselves and accordingly filed a reply to the panchayat
with photographic proof, Agonda Sarpanch Jovi Fernandes told Herald.
We have not arrived at any figure, but when a date is fixed, demolitions of
only the remaining CRZ structures will be taken up, said Fernandes, replying as
to how many of the identified CRZ structures have themselves demolished illegal
CRZ structures.
However, residents in Khola are still not ready to accept the demolitions of
CRZ-related structures of even a single of the identified 19 structures in any
form.
Speaking to Herald, Khola Bachao Abhiyan President Precopio Fernandes said:
Presently, what is happening in the rest of the coastal villages in the State
is unacceptable to us. We will not allow such demolitions of a single structure
in our village.
Says Romato D'Costa, a local, Most of the 19 structures said to be identified
by the Khola panchayat belongs to ST community people and I wonder how the
government is going to take care of the affected people.
One Ambrosio Cardozo, was also sceptical of the government doing nothing on the
issue and is visibly bent in saying that government is determined to uproot
niz-goenkar' from their own State.
With none in actual taking up the salvage operations to save people' residences
from imminent danger of CRZ-related demolitions, what we as senior residents of
the State are supposed to do in such circumstances is not known, asked Cardozo,
who don't see any hope for the young generation of the State to live in peace in
future in their own State.
KBA President said: We don't give empty warnings, but if at all government
fails to protect all our 19 marked CRZ structures in the village and dares to
touch even a single structure, the government may have to fight with its own
people who will not lag behind to wage a war for their survival.

 

The CRZ Saga Continues 

 

Reference to the article on herald Khola in perplexed state with 19 structures
marked for demolition dated 11th Jan'10. The CRZ issue is up and active again,
a few structures have been demolished and some to be, in south Goa and I was
just wondering, how easily people have submitted themselves without a fight, no
news of Mathany as well, have all gone to sleep once the bugle for the war was
sounded by CRZ ? I thought Goa would be up in arms to protect their homes and
their abodes. The local MLA's and the ministers should have been the targets,
they should have been taken to task for their inaction. What are we Goans doing
about it ? Will we wait till all Goans are chased away from the costal and be
replaced by five star hotels ?

 

The CM of Goa had stopped the demolition of illegal shanties of the migrants in
Margao, but has done nothing to save the humble dwellings of Goans, our elected
representatives passed overnight ordinance to legalize and illegal extension of
a five star hotel, what have they done to protect our homes ? Are we Goans going
to sit back and watch our homes destroyed ?

 

Are we Goans all air and no action ? If we are still asleep wake up and lets
move our butts to protect our own dwellings, if the government does not listen
to peaceful protests and wants violence, we'll give them violence but we should
not  give up our rights so easily. If the Government can save a five star hotel
from demolition, so can it save our dwellings, if we stand firm and united. 

 

The people of Khola have given a war cry, you too do the same, put pressure on
the government, it can bow only to the people, people of Canacona don't let any
one ride rough sod over you'll, stand and fight, you have every right to protect
your right and your homes. 

 

Where is Babu Kavlekar, who promised that his government will not let a single
structure be demolished by CRZ ? Where are the promises ? The people we elected
will not help us in any way, we have to help yourself. Let's arise and fight.

 

Freddy Agnelo Fernandes


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Re: [Goanet] The CRZ Saga Continues

To Goanet -

Freddy Agnelo Fernandes wrote:
Where is Babu Kavlekar, who promised that his government 
will not let a single structure be demolished by CRZ ? 

You've got to be kidding.  Babu K is busy expanding his
own mansion.  This was in Feb 2008 -

http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/kavlekar-house.jpg

A few months later I was in the area again, and there 
was a big expansion ongoing.  His constituents ought to
go ask him to explain where he got the money for the mansion.

Also, here is the titmouse explaining to me his SEZ scam 
at the proposed Food Park site in Betul-Quitol - 

http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/kavlekar.jpg


What is the use of posting all these photos?  These guys 
get away with anything.  He will get re-elected with
an even bigger margin.


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[Goanet] Very funny video?