[Goanet] inDEPENDENT Goa.

[eric pinto]

  on India for water(rivers that can be damned), vegetables and meat from 
Belgaum, poultry feed and wheat from the Deccan, power supply from
M'harashtra and Karnatic,  white collar and high-tech jobs, millions of 
visitors who drop a great dal of money.
  My final personal humiliation is fish from the Andhra coast.    eric.



From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com

If one reads Goan history one will find out that Floriano Lobo is most likely 
not a Goan based on the same tortuous historical logic that he and a few other 
non-Goans use in this forum. But he and they are Indian by lineage and 
tradition. Floriano is fighting for the independence of today's Goa but 
virtually nobody in Goa supports him or his party. He is able to freely express 
his secessionist opinions and his intolerance towards the political views of 
Goans and other Indians because he lives in a democratic country.  

Cheers,

Santosh




- Original Message -
From: floriano lobo 
> 
> Dear Mr. Rangel,
> 
> The mistake that most people (especially brilliant Goans like yourself) make 
> is 
> that they consider Goans who talk about the so called LIBERATION of Goa as 
> not 
> Liberation at all are pro-Portuguese. You must understand that there is still 
> a 
> section of Goans who are neither pro-Portuguese or pro-India, but PRO GOA 
> which 
> includes MOI. I have even said that the Indian Passport has been forced down 
> my 
> throat without asking me. (Plebiscite). That I would want my Goan Passport or 
> want to say I want to be with India. But I must be given a choice (under UN 
> Charter). If you think that India can deny me my CITIZENSHIP rights spelt 
> under 
> the UN Charter and still want to stake the claim to be in the UN  SECURITY 
> COUNCIL, then you must think again.
> 
> Also,  I have gone on record several times calling the Portuguese, humiliated 
> dogs - who ran away with their tails between their legs in the 1961's 
> Goa's fracas with India but had the chick to return like eunuchs to sign the 
> CO-OPERATION TREATY with India in 1974, without taking GOANS, whom they left 
> high and dry, into confidence. If they had, then Special Status for Goa, for 
> which Goans have now started demanding, would have been a 'fait acompli' 
> , just like the FRENCH - Pondichery and other areas remain FRENCH to this day 
> since 1956.
> 
> If this is too much to understand, than we GOANS are ZOMBIES irrespective of 
> out 
> erudite intelligence.
> 
> Cheers
> floriano
> goasuraj
> 9890470896
> http://www.goasu-raj.org/
> 
>

[Goanet] Goa news for January 15, 2013

[Goanet News Service]

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** Complaint filed against Goa activist over vulgar image of
'Christ' - Newstrack India
wstrack IndiaPanaji, Jan 14 (IANS) A digitally altered image
posted on Facebook allegedly of Jesus Christ has prompted the
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in Goa to file a police complaint
against a lawyer and activist who had uploaded it on the social
networking site.
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGVzysvhkJBreXx9A5Fesj8-dr1TA&url=http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/2013/01/14/268--Complaint-filed-against-Goa-activist-over-vulgar-image-of-Christ-.html

*** Goa policeman arrested for abusing sex workers - NDTV
TVPanaji: A policeman was arrested in the Indian resort state of
Goa on Monday accused of sexually abusing sex workers, an
inspector said. Constable Waman Naik was arrested after he and
two other policemen were suspended from duty on December 6, ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHfHmoTYOVcT2kKj2Ha68egoURvJg&url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/goa-policeman-arrested-for-abusing-sex-workers-317354

*** Seven-year-old girl allegedly raped in school toilet in Goa
- NDTV
ear-old girl allegedly raped in school toilet in Goa. Indo-Asian
News Service 
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHV58ESpIaIZ9gyBG3t_--4jNOg2Q&url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/seven-year-old-girl-allegedly-raped-in-school-toilet-in-goa-317395

*** After lull New Year, Goa pins hope on Carnival for better
tourist season - Business Standard
tar hotels," he said. State tourism director Nikhil Desai said
the exact figures ...
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*** Goa children`s court hit by lack of judge, infrastructure -
Zee News
ime judge assigned to it, and forensic tests were delayed ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNFpmBEcxV9nCkuGoqvSVssDOiUqtQ&url=http://zeenews.india.com/news/goa/goa-children-s-court-hit-by-lack-of-judge-infrastructure_822833.html

*** Farhan Akhtar to croon at a Goa college festival - Mid-Day
ayIt has been four years since Farhan Akhtar let the world know
he could sing too. And now, the actor-director is all set to
train his vocal chords again. This time at a college festival in
Goa next month. 2013-01-14 09:59:54. Mumbai. Jigar Shah ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHmGZFd8NgSgm0-eQ-w2BQc9Zg3GQ&url=http://www.mid-day.com/entertainment/2013/jan/140113-farhan-akhtar-to-croon-at-a-goa-college-festival.htm

*** National Congress Party to decide on Goa president before
January 26 - Times of India
mes of IndiaBesides executive members, the meeting will be also
attended by NCP leaders and special invitees. Bhonsle said that
recent the visit of NCP national president and Union agriculture
minister Sharad Pawar to Goa had hinted the new leadership will
be put ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHEDr_SgAgYKieg0Z957WEnEuM1GQ&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/National-Congress-Party-to-decide-on-Goa-president-before-January-26/articleshow/18013731.cms

*** Goa board finalizes Class X, XII exams - Times of India
mes of IndiaBut the exams will end early for science stream
students to allow them time to prepare for state and national
competitive exams like Goa common entrance test, national
entrance and eligibility test, IIT joint engineering entrance
exam etc. The Class ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGlRKlc3mTNGQXRhPWl3QpXz6HGzA&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-board-finalizes-Class-X-XII-exams/articleshow/18013722.cms

*** Justice BS Reddy frontrunner for Goa Lokayukta - Times of
India
qf4_bM&ned=us">and more »
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*** Goa Carbon Limited - Moneycontrol.com
an-2013 11:50 Source: ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEQ9DQZNy7kcVyP6qxZ-1EwxomD4Q&url=http://www.moneycontrol.com/stocks/stock_market/corp_notices.php?autono=630153


Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php

Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis

[Santosh Helekar]

If one reads Goan history one will find out that Floriano Lobo is most likely 
not a Goan based on the same tortuous historical logic that he and a few other 
non-Goans use in this forum. But he and they are Indian by lineage and 
tradition. Floriano is fighting for the independence of today's Goa but 
virtually nobody in Goa supports him or his party. He is able to freely express 
his secessionist opinions and his intolerance towards the political views of 
Goans and other Indians because he lives in a democratic country.  

Cheers,

Santosh




- Original Message -
From: floriano lobo 
> 
> Dear Mr. Rangel,
> 
> The mistake that most people (especially brilliant Goans like yourself) make 
> is 
> that they consider Goans who talk about the so called LIBERATION of Goa as 
> not 
> Liberation at all are pro-Portuguese. You must understand that there is still 
> a 
> section of Goans who are neither pro-Portuguese or pro-India, but PRO GOA 
> which 
> includes MOI. I have even said that the Indian Passport has been forced down 
> my 
> throat without asking me. (Plebiscite). That I would want my Goan Passport or 
> want to say I want to be with India. But I must be given a choice (under UN 
> Charter). If you think that India can deny me my CITIZENSHIP rights spelt 
> under 
> the UN Charter and still want to stake the claim to be in the UN  SECURITY 
> COUNCIL, then you must think again.
> 
> Also,  I have gone on record several times calling the Portuguese, humiliated 
> dogs - who ran away with their tails between their legs in the 1961's 
> Goa's fracas with India but had the chick to return like eunuchs to sign the 
> CO-OPERATION TREATY with India in 1974, without taking GOANS, whom they left 
> high and dry, into confidence. If they had, then Special Status for Goa, for 
> which Goans have now started demanding, would have been a 'fait acompli' 
> , just like the FRENCH - Pondichery and other areas remain FRENCH to this day 
> since 1956.
> 
> If this is too much to understand, than we GOANS are ZOMBIES irrespective of 
> out 
> erudite intelligence.
> 
> Cheers
> floriano
> goasuraj
> 9890470896
> www.goasu-raj.org
> 
>

Re: [Goanet] ON MANOHAR PARRIKAR'S PROPOSED TRIP TO ISRAEL

[Alfred de Tavares]

Or, Aires, our Manohar Parrikar may, just, return with a set of TABLETS
from Moses which, I believe, have very recently been updated by Steve
Jobs. 

They could, indubitably, help him perfect his Parivhartan so you escape a
possible nervous calamitythe way you two are at each other

ie, unless our incorrigible electricity dept. menace drives him to break them
on his head as M. was driven by the ever-mercurial Jews on theirs in the
Sinai...

Alfred Chacha...




> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:34:10 +0530
> From: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com
> To: goa...@goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet] ON MANOHAR PARRIKAR'S PROPOSED TRIP TO ISRAEL
> 
> Once upon a time, Moses had led his tribe from Egypt to Israel, walking the
> parted Red Sea. Now our Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar is planning of
> leading an official State sponsored study tour to Israel. Or is it for
> thyrst with the Messiah in Jerusalem? On his return will Goa then see a
> better CM devoid of U Turns & truly committed to the welfare of people of
> Goa? Thy will be done.
> 
> 
> Aires Rodrigues
> T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat
> Ribandar - Goa - 403006
> Mobile: 9822684372
  

[Goanet] Zanzibar

[delima francis]

As I said at the end of my last submission, "I rest my case". I do believe
that any further pursuit of this subject would prove boring to other
Goanetters, and this must, therefore, be my final contribution .

Any study of Government reveals how complex, subtle and nuanced
governmental relationships are and cannot be reduced to simplistic lowest
common denominator terms. I would be delighted to read, and indeed to
respond to, a considered, coherent discourse on any subject that I know
something about, rather than a random collection of often spurious
statements and extracts from constitutional documents, that present formal
positions rather than reality.

In departing, I would reiterate my  my challenge to "anyone with sufficient
knowledge of Zanzibar in colonial times to convince me that the British
administration there was capable to taking any action or institute any
measure that the Sultan objected to!" as I have yet to receive a cogent
response to that.

[Goanet] Visa Fees Hike on Thurs- British Nationals visiting India

[Melvyn Fernandes]

Hello All
Just to let you know that the Tourist Visa Fee is going up to GBP 90.00 on 
Thursday anyone waiting for the lastminute get your Visa today and save 
yourself upto GBP 50.00

Melvyn Fernandes
Thornton Heath
Surrey
Mon 14 January 2013

Re: [Goanet] On Aires

[Alfred de Tavares]

> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:52:17 +
> From: gabe.mene...@gmail.com
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] On Aires
> 
> On 12 January 2013 13:17, Eugene Correia  wrote:
> 
> > Aires Rodrigues: I Am Ready To Lose My Life For Better Of Goa
> >
> > I though it should be "It would  be better for Goa and politicians if
> > I lose my life." (ha, ha, ha)
> > --
> >
> > Eugene
> >
> 
> RESPONSE: Aires is doing a fantastic job keeping all the miscreants on
> their toes - may he live to a ripe old age.
> 
> -- 
> DEV BOREM KORUM
> 
> Gabe Menezes.


HEARHEAR.HEAR ye all...

Chacha
  

Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis

[Victor Rangel-Ribeiro]

Dear Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcao,
 Was it not unjustified when we were forced to become Portuguese, in an 
overseas "province" no less, through Salazar's fiat?
 Regards,
 Victor

--- On Thu, 1/10/13, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão  
wrote:

From: Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão 
Subject: [Goanet]  Goans forced to be bharatis
To: "goa...@goanet.org" 
Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013, 3:44 PM



Is it not Goans forced to be someone,
other than what one is;
Unjustified?
Read here what the President said:



http://www.dn.pt/inicio/opiniao/interior.aspx?content_id=1605529



Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
              

Re: [Goanet] Zanzibar

[Venantius J Pinto]

>
>
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:34:20 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mervyn Lobo 
>
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Zanzibar
>
>
> delima francis wrote:
> >I have read Mervyn Lobo's response to my recent submission with interest.
> >My view is that "I rest my case" regarding his assertion that Zanzibar's
> >Sultan was a "puppet" of the British, as it singularly fails to respond
> >adequately to my challenge to "anyone with sufficient knowledge of
> Zanzibar
> >in colonial times to convince me that the British administration there was
> >capable to taking any action or institute any measure that the Sultan
> >objected to!"
>
>
>
> Francis,
> (Del) It will be easier to convince people that the Sultan was in charge
> of matters that the British were not interested in.?
>
> Response: Sharp and precise. Mervyv, you also have a good sense of
politic.

++
vjp

[Goanet] Ven. Fr. Agnelo D'Souza's Jayanti (144th birthday) on January 21, 2013 at Gaumvaddi, Anjuna

[Domnic Fernandes]

Dear Netters,

St. John the Baptist Chapel Committee in coordination with Fr. Thomas 
Gonsalves, the Vicar of St. Michael Church, will be celebrating Ven Fr. Agnelo 
D'Souza's Jayanti (144th birthday) on January 21, 2013 at his birth place, 
Gaumvaddi, Anjuna, Bardez, Goa. 

Novenas began on last Saturday, January 12, 2013. Novena mass takes place every 
evening at 5.00 pm at the chapel in Gaumvaddi. Every day a different priest 
from the Pilar Society celebrates the mass. Today, the mass was celebrated by 
Dr. Fr. Hillary Fernandes, the vice-postulator for the cause of the 
beatification of Ven Agnelo. Fr Hillary said several complicated medical 
cases which could not be proved successfully by science were sent to Rome - a 
prerequisite to beatification - but due to technicalities were not 
accepted. "However, people continue to send us the accounts of Ven 
Agnelo's intercession in their lives. It's their faith in him that helps
 them to receive promptly what they ask for," said Fr. Hillary.

On January 21, the main celebrant will be His Excellency, Fr. Henry D'Souza,  
the Bishop of Bellary Diocese, Karnataka. Many priests from Pilar and all over 
Goa will be participating in the Jayanti. Three bus loads of pilgrims from 
South Goa have confirmed their attendance on the day and we expect many more 
from all over Goa. A big pandal will be erected in front of the chapel to 
accommodate the crowd. All are welcome to participate in daily novenas and in 
the Jayanti on 21/1/2013! 

Dev borem korunv.

Moi-mogan,

Domnic Fernandes
Gaumvaddi, Anjuna, Goa
Mob: 9420979201/8805237604 
  

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader - Escape from Zanzibar

[joe lobo]

 Dear  Mervyn Maciel,
 I  was  born in Zanzibar  ,  though  our  family  moved  to Tanga  and 
Dar-es-Salaam in late  40`s. When the Zanzibar  revolution took  place  I 
was in college at St.Xaviers in Bombay  and  my  room-mate  was a boy from 
Z`bar called  Joe Martins. He  was  so  fearful for the  fate of  his 
family back home there  that he almost gave up his  studies temporarily to 
try and  return to the  island. Fortunately other relatives persuaded him to 
stay on. I also remember another boy called John Almeida  studying at Wilson 
Collegei n Bombay at that  time who had  a brother shot  dead during the 
early  hours as he  returned from church  that  day in Zanzibar.His  body 
lay  by the  sea-shore for almost a full day  before the  family could 
recover it.
Indeed for the  the  people of Omani origin  and the  other Arabs  it  was 
a bloody event as the  revolutionaries who were of  African origin 
slaughtered them for no other  reason than  their  being  viewed as 
oppressors belonging to the  the Sultan`s race.
 The  Sultan  with a family entourage fled by boat , briefly stopping in 
Dar-es-salaam  where the  then Tanganyikan government  allowed  them   to 
proceed to  the  protection of the U.K.  where they  continued to live. I am 
told  some  of the  family  returned  to Oman  where the  Sultan`s  family 
originated.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mervyn & Elsie Maciel" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:16 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Goanet Reader - Escape from Zanzibar



Mervyn Lobo wrote:



Sporadic shooting continued and since my uncle's house was
close to the Cable and Wireless station and American Embassy
(obvious targets), several of the bullets whizzed past our
window.? We spoke in soft tones around the house and even had
to try and get Andrew to suppress his cough as 'soldiers'
were going around from house to house and we didn't know what
to expect.



This must have been real scary. Some Goans got shot dead during the
revolution and as you can imagine, this is still a very delicate issue for
their?families.

Hi Mervyn,

I can assure you it was truly scary. There were times when I kept moving
our baby(Josey's) Moses basket from one end of the room to the other
to avoid her being struck by any stray bullets. There is so much more of
those fateful days that comes to mind now and I so wish I could have
videoed the whole scene then. As I say, lucky to have survived!
Glad you found some interest in my article. Have had some positive
feedback following its publication, which I am pleased about.
Regards.



Mervyn M.

[Goanet] Voice of Goa goes on air!

[Jazz Goa]

Indigo Goa Grooves hosted by music producer Colin D'Cruz on Indigo 91.9FM, has 
evolved into the most looked forward to radio broadcast on local airwaves. A 
whole lot of Goa's amazing music talent unfolds every Sunday from 5pm to 7pm on 
this exciting show. The 20th of January broadcast will feature the current 
Kingfisher voice of Goa Cyrus Berne, a talented young singer/songwriter still 
in his teens and raring to go. His first ever recordings of his own 
compositions will be broadcast on the show with some interesting insights into 
the winners present and future plans after being crowned the voice of Goa.

Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis

[Sandesh Anvekar]

Assuming that both Non Goans and Europeans were equally aggressive and
destructive, I would opt to live (and die) with our Indians any day. If you
think otherwise,please get the hell out of here..

~Sandesh


On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote:

> I am afraid knowledge history of person below mentioned is bleak. UN
> documents clearly show that GDD was invaded and continues occupied.
> Portugal tabled motion in UN Security Council for withdrawal of the
> invaders. Soviet rascals vetoed. Invaders continue occupying land. The info
> below is utter trash.
>
> BC
>
>
> It is my contention based on my knowledge of history that invaders conquer
> the land that they have invaded. The inhabitants of that land then become
> citizens of the invading country. In the case in question, the invaded
> people were given an opportunity to declare whether or not they wanted to
> register themselves as citizens of the old invading power instead
> of?remaining default decreed citizens of the new invading power as is the
> historical norm.?In my opinion, the new invading power, being a democracy,
> would have been forced to find a democratic solution if 50% + 1 of the
> invaded folk had chosen to register themselves as citizens of the old
> dominion. Regarding Fr. Chico, it is my opinion that special exception to
> the immigration and citizenship should have been made in his case.
>
> Of course, these are only my opinions, subject to be changed if persuasive
> counterarguments are made. So far I have seen none.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Santosh
>
>


-- 
Sandesh

Re: [Goanet] 1892 Swami Vivekananda’s Visit to Goa

[Sandesh Anvekar]

Thanks for posting.. May Vivekananda live on and on in our hearts and
continue to wake up India and rest of the world from from the slumber of
delusion..


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Luis Vas  wrote:

> 1892
> On Swami Vivekananda’s 150th Birth Anniversary it's interesting to
> recall Swami Vivekananda’s Visit to Goa
>
> Swami Vivekananda became wandering monk prior to leaving for Chicago
> to attend the World Congress of Religions, travelling the length and
> breath of India including Goa, then under Portuguese rule. He visited
> Goa in October 1892 and interacted with a number of Goans.
>
> Though it was a brief visit, it is very significant, as India’s youth
> icon - in today’s parlance - was visiting our land whose umbilical
> cord with mother India was snapped due to the Portuguese rule. It was
> a momentous occasion for Goans as Swami Vivekananda’s visit to Goa
> also meant the assertion of Goa’s Indian nationalistic idea. Swami’s
> clarion call to the youth of India was “Arise, Awake and Stop not till
> the goal is reached”. He was on an All India mission, touring our vast
> motherland from Kashmir to Kanyakumari to study the ethos of our
> country to spread the message of love, universal brotherhood.
>
> Vivekananda arrived in Goa on October 27, 1892 from Belgaum where he
> was the guest of Prof. G.S. Bhate and Sub-divisional Forest officer,
> Haripada Mitra, disembarking at the Margao railway station. There he
> was received by the people of Margao and garlanded with great respect,
> reverence and affection. Swami was led in a procession to the Comba
> residence of Subrai Naik, his host. The historic heritage house of
> Subrai Naik is located on the Abade Faria Street, in the heart of
> Margao which also houses the famous Damodar Sal temple. The Swamiji’s
> host Subrai Naik was a scholar and a respected figure of Margao.
> During his week-long stay in Goa, Swamiji was given a special room
> close to the Damodar temple within the house. This room was facing the
> road. Till date, this historic room is preserved by the Naik family -
> untouched. The furniture, and items used by him during his stay there
> is preserved as it is. Source:Prajal Sakhardande
>
> Subrai Naik would take Swamiji every morning in his horse drawn buggy
> to the Rachol Library.
>
> Rachol has been the cradle of great historians, writers, grammarians,
> scientists, scholars, pastors, parliamentarians, university professors
> and saintly men! Among the latter we can single out Ven. Fr. Agnelo
> Gustavo Adolfo de Souza, sfx, (popularly called Padre Agnelo) who
> underwent his priestly formation and was ordained at the Rachol
> Seminary, later joined the Society of Pilar, spent the last 10 years
> of his life as Confessor and Spiritual Director of the seminarians at
> Rachol, and breathed his last in his room in the Seminary. Fr. Thomas
> Stephens (Konkani and Marathi writer), Francisco de Souza (author of
> Oriente Conquistado), Msgr. Rudolfo Sebastião Dalgado (Konkani writer
> and scholar, known as the God-father of the Konkani language), Fr.
> Antonio Francisco Souza (Science writer and thinker) are some of the
> well-known personalities associated with Rachol Seminary, either as
> staff or students. Swami Vivekananda have made several trips to the
> seminary, from Margao, where he had put up during his visit to Goa in
> 1892. He consulted the library at Rachol and discussed Christian
> Theology and spirituality with the Professors of the seminary. He
> studied important Christian theological works here, where rare
> religious literature in manuscripts and printed works in Latin are
> preserved. This visit of Vivekananda to Rachol was in preparation for
> his famous address at the Parliament of World Religions in Chicago.
>
> ‘The Rector Fr. Dennis Fernandes is charm and warmth personified. He
> took us around this stunningly beautiful sprawling structure built in
> the 1500s by the Jesuits and commissioned as a seminary in the 1600s,
> its sadly fading Christian history and art. The valuable paintings in
> the Seminary are a treasure trove quickly fading away. This
> magnificent structure houses 91 students who go on to becoming Padres
> and serve various Parishes of Goa.
>
> Pride surged within me when I saw Swamiji's picture up in the library
> of this Seminary,’ A visitor
>
> Vivekananda aimed to study the Christian theology and philology which
> he did at the Rachol seminary. He held discussions with the Rector and
> members of the clergy of the Rachol seminary with Subrai Naik playing
> the role of an interpreter as he was well conversant with Portuguese.
> Swami Vivekanand visited Panaji and found it to be a neat and clean
> city. He also visited Old Goa churches, the Mangeshi and in Kavlem
> Shantadurga and the Mardol temples. Goa’s tabla maestro Khaprumam
> Parvatkar from Paroda- Parvat enthralled him with his music.
>
> This charming wandering orange robed monk received a rousing welcome
> in America in 1893 at 

[Goanet] LET DABOLIM AIRPORT BE THE ONLY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT OF GOA! LETS SAY NO TO MOPA

[Mario]

Dear Vijay Bab/Aires Bab,

 

With reference to your mail copied below:

 

Well done and go ahead!  True minded GOEMKAR'S are with you all.  

 

Save our beautiful MOTHER GOA from destructions and RETAIN DABOLIM as the
ONLY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT OF GOA.  WHY GOANS NEED ANOTHER AIRPORT AT MOPA
WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER BURNING ISSUES PLUGING GOANS?

 

Time will come of merging Goa with Maharashtra if Mopa Airport becomes
reality. 

 

NO DOUBT, HISTORY WILL BE CREATED AGAIN ON 15TH JANUARY 2013 AT LOHIA MAIDAN
IN MARGAO.

 

We GOEMKAR'S may be anywhere in the world BUT time has come to raise our
voice and say we want to save our MOTHER GOA from destruction.

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Mario F. D' Costa

 

 

 

 

Message: 7

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 06:52:57 +0530

From: Aires Rodrigues 

To: goanet 

Subject: [Goanet] PUBLIC MEETING AT LOHIA MAIDAN ON 15TH JANUARY

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Dear Fellow Goa netters,

 

GOEMKAR will be officially launched at a public meeting to be held at Lohia

Maidan in Margao on Tuesday 15th January 2013 at 4.30 pm which is also the

eve of the anniversary of the historic 1967 Opinion poll.

 

For those of you who are currently not in Goa please ask your friends and

family in Goa to attend this public meeting and be part of this movement to

ensure a better future for Goa from the current mess it is embroiled in.

What remains of Goa needs to be salvaged. Together for a better Goa.

 

With best regards,

Aires Rodrigues

T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat

Ribandar - Goa - 403006

Mobile: 9822684372

 

[Goanet] Cardinal Gracias launches Gender Equality Day - 27 January

[Goa World]

 www.goa-world. comGULF-GOANS e-NEWSLETTER (since 1994)
>http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans/ 
>www.colaco.nethttp://www.live365.com/index.liveCardinal
> Gracias launches Gender Equality Day – 27 Jan
>January 14, 2013 by admin 
>Filed under India, Maharashtra, newsletter-lead
>Leave a Comment
>The Archbishop of Mumbai has declared January 27th a Day of Solidarity for 
>justice, awareness and gender equality. The Catholic Church’s role in 
>education, especially among non-Christians, fundamental to changing the 
>mentality and attitude towards women. Discrimination against women has 
>negative effects on boys and men.
>Maharashtra, January 10, 2013: Mumbai On January 27,  the Archdiocese of 
>Mumbai will hold a Day of Solidarity for justice, awareness and gender 
>equality, commissioned by the Archbishop, Card. Oswald Gracias, President of 
>the Bishops’ Conference of India. The decision was taken after the rape case 
>in New Delhi, that has rekindled the debate on violence against women. It is 
>“the exclusion of God from human life” that leads people to “every kind of 
>cruelty”, in particular against women. For 24 hours, the Catholic community in 
>the Archdiocese will participate in meetings, seminars and various 
>initiatives. In addition, every parish, convent and seminary will hold an hour 
>of prayer, from 6pm to 7pm in the evening. Card. Gracias hopes that the day 
>will “announce a social transformation”, because “contempt” against women has 
>many faces – selective abortion, female feticide, discrimination, domestic 
>violence and exclusion – and “causes
 great injury to men and society”. Below, we publish a reflection by 
Card.Gracias to present the Day.
>The “marginalisation of God” in human life leads to all kinds of  evil, women 
>are objectified and treated as second class, and the contempt for women” 
>expressed in various forms: selective abortions, female foeticide, 
>discriminations, domestic violence and exclusion.
>The Catholic Church in India was plunged into deep anguish and sorrow at the 
>death of the gang rape victim, the savagery inflicted upon this young Indian 
>woman was  horrific and barbaric and I am hopeful, that this Day of Solidarity 
>will serve to usher in a social transformation and a  radical change in the 
>attitudes towards women and call for an urgent Gender Sensitisation  and 
>Gender Justice and Gender Equality in  the nation.
>Gender equality is a burning issue of all times. It affects not only the fifty 
>percent of women but all of humankind. Gender inequality has done immense harm 
>to women and  also men and society.
>The culture of domination, marginalization and exclusion which embodies ideas, 
>beliefs, values, traditions, rules, norms, perspectives (ideologies) that 
>prefer males/sons has been styled the culture of patriarchy. Through 
>dominating social structures men own, control and manage financial, 
>intellectual and ideological resources as well as the labor, fertility and 
>sexuality of women, and thus perpetuate gender discrimination. Such a culture 
>produces stereotyped notions of how a woman or man should behave (in words and 
>actions), whereby they themselves become transmitters of the above value 
>system. Consequently women also become both victims and victimizers.
>Gender Justice and Gender Equality are part of the ethos of the Church, the 
>Bishops of India in 1974 promised that they would stand for the dignity and 
>rights of women by providing education and empowerment.
>In 1984, the CBCI initiated Consultation on Women keeping in mind the need to 
>overcome the cultural bias against the girl.
>In  2009, the ‘Gender Policy of the Catholic Church of India’ was issued by 
>the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India (CBCI) called for the  Church to be 
>gender-sensitive at all times and this policy is Operative in every diocese 
>and parish in India.
>The Church has been a Vanguard in the empowerment of women, Pope John Paul II 
>landmark apostolic letter Mulieris Dignitatem in 1988 specifically  on the 
>Dignity of women reminding us of the important role woman play in the family, 
>society , world and also  church
>The socio-cultural situation of women should not be understood in the same way 
>among all social classes and ethnic groups especially among the marginalised 
>and the oppressed. It has its lights and its shadows. Though we have examples 
>of empowered women in leadership positions and role-models like Blessed Mother 
>Theresa and Blessed Alphonsa, nevertheless the reality of women of all 
>sections reveals instances of domestic and societal violence on young girls 
>and women. Depending on the regions, female feticide, infanticide, rape, 
>molestation, kidnapping, abduction, battering, dowry deaths, murdering, 
>trafficking for sex and slavery exist even today.
>Women of the marginalized groups such as d

Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis

[floriano lobo]

Bernado,

I suggest you talk to plain and simple COOKs rather than Goan so called 
research scientists who are confused through surfing Internet for their 
knowledge. And you will have better responses.

:-)

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org


- Original Message - 
From: "Bernado Colaco" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:51 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis


I am afraid knowledge history of person below mentioned is bleak. UN 
documents clearly show that GDD was invaded and continues occupied. Portugal 
tabled motion in UN Security Council for withdrawal of the invaders. Soviet 
rascals vetoed. Invaders continue occupying land. The info below is utter 
trash.


BC


It is my contention based on my knowledge of history that invaders conquer 
the land that they have invaded. The inhabitants of that land then become 
citizens of the invading country. In the case in question, the invaded 
people were given an opportunity to declare whether or not they wanted to 
register themselves as citizens of the old invading power instead 
of?remaining default decreed citizens of the new invading power as is the 
historical norm.?In my opinion, the new invading power, being a democracy, 
would have been forced to find a democratic solution if 50% + 1 of the 
invaded folk had chosen to register themselves as citizens of the old 
dominion. Regarding Fr. Chico, it is my opinion that special exception to 
the immigration and citizenship should have been made in his case.


Of course, these are only my opinions, subject to be changed if persuasive 
counterarguments are made. So far I have seen none.



Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis

[floriano lobo]

Dear Mr. Rangel,

The mistake that most people (especially brilliant Goans like yourself) make 
is that they consider Goans who talk about the so called LIBERATION of Goa 
as not Liberation at all are pro-Portuguese. You must understand that there 
is still a section of Goans who are neither pro-Portuguese or pro-India, but 
PRO GOA which includes MOI. I have even said that the Indian Passport has 
been forced down my throat without asking me. (Plebiscite). That I would 
want my Goan Passport or want to say I want to be with India. But I must be 
given a choice (under UN Charter). If you think that India can deny me my 
CITIZENSHIP rights spelt under the UN Charter and still want to stake the 
claim to be in the UN  SECURITY COUNCIL, then you must think again.


Also,  I have gone on record several times calling the Portuguese, 
humiliated dogs - who ran away with their tails between their legs in the 
1961's Goa's fracas with India but had the chick to return like eunuchs to 
sign the CO-OPERATION TREATY with India in 1974, without taking GOANS, whom 
they left high and dry, into confidence. If they had, then Special Status 
for Goa, for which Goans have now started demanding, would have been a 'fait 
acompli' , just like the FRENCH - Pondichery and other areas remain FRENCH 
to this day since 1956.


If this is too much to understand, than we GOANS are ZOMBIES irrespective of 
out erudite intelligence.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org




- Original Message - 
From: "Victor Rangel-Ribeiro" 

To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis


Dear Mr. Froilano Lobo,
If you are going to revisit the missed choices of history, we should go back 
a bit farther and complain that Salazar should have offered us a whole 
series of options, including choice between membership in a Portuguese 
commonwealth, and full freedom, and stupidly did neither. Why just pin blame 
on the Indian Union, and exonerate our Portuguese masters?

Regards,
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
(Victor Rangel is/was my cousin)


--- On Wed, 1/9/13, floriano lobo  wrote:

From: floriano lobo 
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 10:42 PM

Dear Victor Rangel, Sir,

There may be a lot of truth in what Bernado says about Opinion Poll.
Yes. Opinion Poll saved the skins of Goan and kept Goa from being wiped off 
the map of the World.

But then, the Opinion Poll gave us Goans just two choices.
1. To Merge with Maharashtra
2. To be Unified with India as it's Union Territory [which later became one 
of it's STATES].


There should have been another slot on that ballot.

3. "REMAIN OUT OF THE INDIAN UNION" [YES/NO]
This would have given true representation not requiring India to hold the 
much talked about plebiscite after 1961


In that case persons like Bernado and many others including 'moi' would be 
greatly pleased and RESTED.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org

[Goanet] GANGNAM STYLE - Impressive version for SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA by Me! --- ENJOY!

[Elvis Peçi]

I invite you to listen & share for free from your page/profile my
rearranged version for Symphony Orchestra of  the K-Pop song 'Gangnam
Style' (by Psy) realized at Aelfior Studios (Production of January 2013 /
Made in Project Kabaland)!

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_4vp-9-zvw*



I belive that it will be a pleasure listening!

On my channel you will find also other musical compositions/productions
(100% original by me) listen to them now or maybe *you will encounter them
in video games and films afterwards!*

Waiting for your reply!


Cheers!

*Elvis Peçi*
Composer, Pianist, Producer
Project Kabaland
www.kabaland.al

[Goanet] QuizStock 2013

[Rajiv D'Silva]

Hi all,

The Sunday Evening Quiz Club's inaugural 'Festival of Quizzing' will take
place this weekend at the International Centre Goa, Dona Paula. Annie's
2012, a quiz on the year gone by, will kick things off at 2 pm on the 19th,
followed by the Goa Open, an open general quiz, at 5 pm. The event will wind
up with the So You Think You're A Film Buff? quiz on the 20th at 9.30 am.
All three quizzes will be set and conducted by Aniruddha Sen Gupta, and are
open to all to participate. For more details, log on to
www.seqc.blogspot.com.

 

Regards,

Rajiv

 

 

Re: [Goanet] Zanzibar

[Mervyn Lobo]

delima francis wrote:
>I have read Mervyn Lobo's response to my recent submission with interest.
>My view is that "I rest my case" regarding his assertion that Zanzibar's
>Sultan was a "puppet" of the British, as it singularly fails to respond
>adequately to my challenge to "anyone with sufficient knowledge of Zanzibar
>in colonial times to convince me that the British administration there was
>capable to taking any action or institute any measure that the Sultan
>objected to!"



Francis,
The British were in charge, then they gave the Sultan his independence. The 
reason why the British did not take full control in some of the areas they 
ruled is because it was cheaper for them to use the locals to sort out local or 
petty issues. There is no way you can convince me that the figurehead Sultan 
could stop the British doing what they wanted in Zanzibar. In fact, it was the 
other way round. It was the British who cut of the most lucrative source of 
revenue for the Sultanate. They forced the Sultanate to stop the slave trade. 
The very idea of the Sultan objecting to actions of his 'protector', is 
preposterous. It does not pass the giggle test. It will be easier to convince 
people that the Sultan was in charge of matters that the British were not 
interested in. 



>Mervyn's quixotic reference now to "Divine Right to rule" (a historical
>concept that has long since expired in what are now 'constitutional
>monarchies', and most certainly does not apply in the case of the British
>Monarch, who reigns by the consent of the people rather than some quaint
>notion of "Divine Right" and whose role is clearly understood in the UK's
>unwritten constitution) also suggests that he did not quite understand the
>central point of my argument. 


According to the "Royal Proclamation reciting the altered Style and Titles of 
the Crown" of May 29, 1953, Elizabeth II's full title is "Elizabeth II, by the 
Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and 
of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender 
of the Faith." Unless she has formally revoked her title(s), she still thinks 
she is ruling because of divine right. A background to this asinine thought can 
be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_the_Grace_of_God



>Mervyn has also offered no argument, let alone a cogent one, to justify his
>description of the Sultan as a "puppet" - the point that I took issue with
>in his initial post. He loosely offers a throwaway reference (which has
>absolutely no relevance to the "puppet" issue), to: " just a few weeks
>after Britain left Zanzibar, it refused all the begging from the Zanzibari
>Sultan for Britain to intervene again." For goodness sake, where does he
>get this stuff from!?! That particular sentence says it all. It was "*after
>Britain left*" i.e. after Zanzibar regained its independence when Britain
>relinquished any responsibility for Zanzibar's internal security or
>defence. Indeed, it would have been invidious (to put it mildly) for any
>country, particularly so a recently former colonial power, to have
>intervened to put down what was undoubtedly - and immediately evident as -
>a popular uprising. From my research some while ago, I learnt that, whilst
>the overthrown Government, in its last throes and in desperation, may have
>issued an appeal to Britain to intervene (and, incidentally, there is no
>basis for believing (and absolutely no documentary or other evidence) that
>there was any "begging from the Zanzibari Sultan" - a constitutional
>monarch, remember - in this respect), to all intents and purposes the
>former Government crumbled in a matter of hours and, therefore, there was
>no credible request for the British Government to even consider, let alone
>refuse.   * *



I do not feel the need to make any argument to 'prove' that the Sultan was a 
puppet. I am sure that you will agree with me that the British ran the show. 
Those who would like to believe that the Sultan was in power at the same time, 
are more that welcome to continue with their beliefs. I will cede though, that 
the Sultan was in control for the 33 full days between when the British left 
and when he got overthrown. What a ruler!

Lastly, maybe I did not make myself clear in my original post. The point I 
wanted to make was that after the Sultan fled Zanzibar, he had to beg Kenya and 
then Britain to take him in. He also begged Britain to help him get his 
Sultanate back. Unfortunately, there was nothing in it for the British and thus 
the Sultan joined the British collection of disposed Sultans/Kings. 


Mervyn

[Goanet] Link: Welcome to India 2012. Its all business. BBC Documentary

[Albert Peres]

Welcome to India 2012. Its all business. BBC Documentary.

This observational series explores what life is really like in some of 
the densest neighbourhoods on the planet: the backstreets of India's 
megacities.


Parts (1-3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpdoRUMeshw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yfkn_XUIbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpg5rCmK4Qw


--
Albert Peres

afpe...@3129.ca
416.660.0847 cell