[Goanet] Traced: Mumbai doctor who saved Mickey Nivelli from poverty in 1952

[Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا]

Traced: Mumbai doctor who saved Mickey Nivelli from poverty in 1952

Legendary filmmaker Mickey Nivelli's six-decade hunt for the man who
rescued him in 1952 comes to an end after a SUNDAY MiD DAY reader tracks
down the saviour's family

April 28, 2013

Sometimes, truth really is stranger than fiction. A week after SMD carried
the story of legendary filmmaker Mickey Nivelli aka Harbance Kumar’s hunt
for the man who saved his life 61 years ago, an enthusiastic reader managed
to trace his saviour’s family.

On reading the story, avid SUNDAY MiD DAY reader, Vijay Mumwani, a
businessman from Warden Road, recalled a story his friend told him two
months ago. “Norma Talker, a family friend, narrated a similar incident to
me over coffee. She told me about how her father had once brought home a
starving young lad, who he had found lying in a maidan and nursed him back
to health. There was an uncanny resemblance between her story and the SMD
article, so I simply had to inform them,” he said.

An old photograph of late Dr Joe de Sousa, who saved a young Mickey
Nivelli’s (top) life when the latter was jobless in Mumbai in 1952

The ecstatic Talker family got in touch with this reporter and emailed
photographs of the late Dr Joe de Sousa, his daughter and granddaughter to
Nivelli. After listening to the doctor’s daugher Norma’s recollection of
the events of the fateful day, and looking at the photos, Nivelli confirmed
that de Sousa is indeed the man who saved his life.

Dr de Sousa’s daughter, Norma Talker (right) identified Harbance Kumar as
the boy her father once got home. (Left) Talker’s daughter, Deborah

Meet the Talkers

Narrating her story at her spacious Mahim flat, Norma Talker recalled, “We
stayed on the first floor of Karamchand Mansion, close to Metro Cinema. I
was around 12-years-old, when one morning my father found a young teenaged
boy lying unconscious in the maidan on the way to his clinic in VT. The boy
was wearing tattered clothes and had probably not eaten in days,” recalled
Norma, an Indian Oil Corporation retiree. Norma added that her father was
always dressed in a white coat, which is probably why Nivelli had mistaken
him for a priest.

(Circled) Dr de Sousa’s home in Karamchand Mansion near Metro cinema, where
he provided food and shelter to Mickey Nivelli, aka Harbance Kumar, in 1952

“My mother, Miquelila, was told to cook something to feed the young man,
who was made to sit on the terrace,” added Norma, who identified Nivelli’s
photograph on the front page. “But he was much younger when dad brought him
home.”

“My mother has narrated this story to us repeatedly. Each time we would
playfully tell her change the topic. Who knew the future course of events
would be so fascinating?” wondered Norma’s daughter Deborah. Taking after
her granddad, Deborah’s compassion is evident from the eleven dogs she
provides a home for. She also supplies regular food and medicines to
numerous strays in the neighbourhood.

Nivelli overjoyed

When Nivelli received the email with the photographs, he was overwhelmed.
“I am crying as I write this. All those memories have come back. I do not
have to go to a church, temple, mosque or a gurudwara to get a glimpse of
god. I saw it in the good that people did for me. My heart is filled with
gratitude and loyalty,” he wrote in response.

“It is too much of a coincidence to ignore. Gazing at the eyes of Dr de
Sousa’s photograph, I do see the same kindness which had struck me when I
first saw him,” he stated, adding that Norma was right his age. “At that
time my moustache had not sprouted yet. The photograph with Shammi Kapoor
is about four or five years after that incident. I had collapsed due to
lack of food and fatigue when a priest-like man dressed in white took me
home and from the compound shouted to his wife to make some food, even
before I could crawl up to their first floor flat,” he recalled.

The good Samaritan

Norma recalled that bringing destitutes home to nurse them was common for
her father. “He once brought home a tuberculosis patient, a scary ailment
at that time. TB was his area of expertise and he was able to nurse him
back to health. He even got home a man who had stab wounds after a local
hospital refused to admit him, much to the anguish of my mother, who was
scared of the consequences if the patient succumbed to his wounds in our
house. But my dad could not bear to see human suffering,” she said.

Ironically, Dr de Sousa’s patient list included Bollywood greats like
Nargis Dutt, Kamini Kaushal and even Dev Anand, who he was in close contact
with, until his recent sudden demise. Nivelli has been close to the Dutt
family too. The Dutts, he claims, invariably stayed at his apartment when
they visit New York.

An extremely grateful Nivelli concluded, “I do not want to forget those
days and I do not want to fail to thank those who reached out. Thank you
SUNDAY MiD DAY.”

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2013/apr/280413-lost-and-found-mickey-nivelli.htm

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Re: [Goanet] Mumbai Goan restaurants

[Venantius J Pinto]

Dear Gabe,
A mirroring? Hardly. And perhaps also nothing to do with Lisbon other than
that both having sported Sporting in their team name. Besides that Goa, a
state now, and Lisbon, a capital city.

Let's venture to wonder that comparison to ur minds could be seen as an
extrapolation, but still, a stretch.

+
venantius j pinto



Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 08:32:38 +0100
> From: Gabe Menezes 
> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Mumbai Goan restaurants
>
>
> RESPONSE: Thank you for that piece; we also have Sporting Clube de Goa!
> mirroring Sporting Lisbon, I wonder
>
> --
> DEV BOREM KORUM
>
> Gabe Menezes.
>
>
> --
>

Re: [Goanet] Roland Francis: Gulf Goans - Stray Thoughts of a Toronto Goan

[Eugene Correia]

It is primarily because of the constant pouring of migrants into Goa that
the NGOs, one old but revived and the other new, are pushing for Special
Status. With all 40 members of the Assembly having approved the
government's proposal, there is a at least a chance of making the centre
hear Goa's plea.
However, what mechanism will be  place to block the migrants from crossing
over into Goa and resettling there would have to be seen. With less land
available for housing in the cities and with builders moving into villages,
Goans are already witnessing socio-economic problems.
How much the government will tweak Article 19 to accommodate Goa, if at all
the government wishes to grant Goa's plea, to make it near-impossible for
outsiders to settle in Goa is to be seen.
The Goa government's decision on entry tax for vehicles has created an
adverse reaction from neighbouring states. Now comes the news that Pune bus
operators will not come to Goa. Can be say safely that there would be no
blacklash against Goans in neighbouring states if natives of both Karnataka
and Maharashtra are prevented from settling in Goa?
The union government would have to take a hard, closer look and the Goa
government would also be doing itself good if it takes into consideration
the risks following getting Special Status that would impinge impose
restriction of movement of outsiders into Goa.
There's no validity in basing Goa's case on the erosion of Goan identity
because it's expected that with intergration into the Indian union, new
migration and economic change, Goan identity would be running the risk of
change.
Outsiders who have assimiliated into Goan society, though retaining a few
of their distinct traditions and characteristics, should not pose any
problems  and cannot be said to be  agents in the perceived devolution of
Goanness. Goenkarponn is what we are and what should remain now and in the
future.

Eugene

Re: [Goanet] LOOTING GOA’S EXCHEQUER

[Alfred de Tavares]

Aires,

Is there no possibility...legal provision, in cases of such gross 
over-indulging a
public servant, of a public launched impeachment or some such remedial action
that will dislodge this gargantuan voluptuary from riding our shoulders 
untramelled?

The man must have some hold on the powers that shovel this amount to him.

There must be some Public Commission or other the calibretes the ceiling of 
salaries.
It can't just be at the whim of Parrikar.

What was the pay of this prototype during the erstwhile (Congress) regime?

Please advise. Very curious to know.

If it will need a crusade, to kick the fellow out as well as recover money he 
has guzzled over the 
years, by all means let us launch an effective one.

Alfred de Tavares,
Stockholm, 2013-05-13.

Tel: 0046 70 295 4091



> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:43:36 +0530
> From: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com
> To: goa...@goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet] LOOTING GOA’S EXCHEQUER
> 
> The President of India is paid Rs 1,50,000 a month while the Chief Justice
> of India Rs 1,00,000. A Supreme Court Judge Rs 90, 000 and a High Court
> Judge takes home Rs 80,000 a month. The Attorney General of India is paid
> equivalent to the salary of a Supreme Court Judge which is Rs 90,000.
> 
> But the Advocate General of Goa Atmaram Nadkarni out beats them all, while
> he gets paid upto a whopping eight lakhs a month. Besides this he also
> pockets Rs 75,000 for every official visit to New Delhi.
> 
> This gross anomaly defies all logic and is a fit case to be examined by the
> Comptroller* *and Auditor General (CAG). Public funds cannot be allowed to
> be squandered in this high-handed manner.
> 
> What is further very objectionable is that Atmaram Nadkarni despite being
> the Advocate General of Goa continues to be directly and indirectly the
> legal Messiah for the Mining companies who have been accused of gross
> illegal activities over the years. Professional ethics have been consigned
> to the dumps in broad day light. Goa cannot afford to have Atmaram.
> 
> 
> Aires Rodrigues
> T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat
> Ribandar - Goa - 403006
> Mobile: 9822684372
  

Re: [Goanet] Mumbai Goan restaurants

[Venantius J Pinto]

Dear Jose,
Appreciate your validation.

#3
Jose: Modern day Portugal speaks several languages, some of which are
losing speakers. The official language Portuguese is derived from Latin.
vjp: Thanks for sharing.

+
venantius j pinto

[Goanet] Young boys and girls of Verna sing Maria Pitache etc

[JoeGoaUk]

Made my day..
Young boys and girls of Verna sing Maria Pitache etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT-o29KFe2c

joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

Re: [Goanet] Roland Francis: Gulf Goans - Stray Thoughts of a Toronto Goan

[J. Colaco < jc>]

On 12 May 2013 10:00, Frederick FN Noronha wrote: "The doc doth
protest too much, methinks."

COMMENT:

1: FN may be right.

2: FN may not be right. Until he discusses the body of the message by
using clichés a la politicians, we would not know for true ..would we?

3: one question you may ask yourself: Am I (FN) being reasonable and
justifiable in my (repeated) mis-representative words and Salazarist
actions?

4: another question you may ask yourself: Is jc reasonable and
justifiable in his 'protest'.

5: A few questions for all of us: (a) Is it reasonable and justifiable
to 'protest'? (b) on what basis do we classify a 'protest' as being
'too much'?

NOW: perhaps, FN will comment on the substance of my previous post
minus the well worn (by politicians) cliché.

best

jc

[Goanet] LOOTING GOA’S EXCHEQUER

[Aires Rodrigues]

The President of India is paid Rs 1,50,000 a month while the Chief Justice
of India Rs 1,00,000. A Supreme Court Judge Rs 90, 000 and a High Court
Judge takes home Rs 80,000 a month. The Attorney General of India is paid
equivalent to the salary of a Supreme Court Judge which is Rs 90,000.

But the Advocate General of Goa Atmaram Nadkarni out beats them all, while
he gets paid upto a whopping eight lakhs a month. Besides this he also
pockets Rs 75,000 for every official visit to New Delhi.

This gross anomaly defies all logic and is a fit case to be examined by the
Comptroller* *and Auditor General (CAG). Public funds cannot be allowed to
be squandered in this high-handed manner.

What is further very objectionable is that Atmaram Nadkarni despite being
the Advocate General of Goa continues to be directly and indirectly the
legal Messiah for the Mining companies who have been accused of gross
illegal activities over the years. Professional ethics have been consigned
to the dumps in broad day light. Goa cannot afford to have Atmaram.


Aires Rodrigues
T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat
Ribandar - Goa - 403006
Mobile: 9822684372

Re: [Goanet] Roland Francis: Gulf Goans - Stray Thoughts of a Toronto Goan

[Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا]

The doc doth protest too much, methinks. FN
--
FN  Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell  +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org



On 12 May 2013 18:57, Jose Colaco  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Frederick Noronha wrote: "Could it just be that self-interest, the
> constant search for migration
>
> opportunity (however much we deride the in-migrant), and fortuitous
> circumstances also played its role? "
>
> COMMENT:
>
> 1: 'Man' is always in search for better opportunities.
> 2: That explains some but NOT all the migrations.
>
> 3: 'In-Migrations' are best tolerated (nay welcomed ) when they are
> structured and fill vacancies for jobs not filled or fillable by native
> populations. Some years ago, there was an urgent need of doctors in
> Jamaica. I am advised that the police band welcomed their arrival. Many
> years later, close to 200 doctors from a particular SE state of India
> arrived on successive flights. They turned up on visitor's visas and
> offered to work for pittance.
>
> 4: Uncontrolled arrivals in such comparatively humongous numbers
> destabilise local populations. That is how negative feed-back occurs.
>
> 5: I totally reject the implication which FN keeps on repeating. It is
> either that he is 'fixed' in his apparent looney-left wing thought process
> or he knows not the difference between onions and potatoes.
>
> 6: It is preposterous to stubbornly spout that Goans are inherently
> opposed to 'in-migration'. It is in-migration which helps build societies
> and the businesses which are engines to development. BUT, it has to be
> controlled, gradual and in needed areas.
>
> 7: What Goans (as any other civil society in the world) object to are:
> Coming and trying to dominate the locals, Squatting as and where and when
> they please, Filthing up the place etc.
>
> 8: It is not that FN has not read this before. It is just that he is NOT
> open to thought and discussions he does not like. It is his prerogative to
> remain biased and ignorant. But then, he goes into Salazar mode and blocks
> contrary view points from forums like Goanet which he controls
>
> 9: Does FN know of large numbers of Goans arriving anywhere dominating
> the locals, Squatting, Spitting and Defecating in publicand in general
> Filthifying the place?
>
> 10: IF not, why is he persistently spouting Nonsene?
>
> Anyway . Peace be unto all including those who, knowingly or
> otherwise, misrepresent.
>
> jc
>

Re: [Goanet] Roland Francis: Gulf Goans - Stray Thoughts of a Toronto Goan

[J. Colaco < jc>]

Frederick Noronha wrote: "Could it just be that self-interest, the
constant search for migration opportunity (however much we deride the
in-migrant), and fortuitous circumstances also played its role? "

COMMENT:

1: 'Man' is always in search for better opportunities.
2: That explains some but NOT all the migrations.

3: 'In-Migrations' are best tolerated (nay welcomed ) when they are
structured and fill vacancies for jobs not filled or fillable by
native populations. Some years ago, there was an urgent need of
doctors in Jamaica. I am advised that the
police band welcomed their arrival. Many years later, close to 200
doctors from a particular SE state of India arrived on successive
flights. They turned up on visitor's visas and offered to work for
pittance.

4: Uncontrolled arrivals in such comparatively humongous numbers
destabilise local populations. That is how negative feed-back occurs.

5: I totally reject the implication which FN keeps on repeating. It is
either that he is 'fixed' in his apparent looney-left wing thought
process or he knows not the difference between onions and potatoes.

6: It is preposterous to stubbornly spout that Goans are inherently
opposed to 'in-migration'. It is in-migration which helps build
societies and the businesses which are engines to development. BUT, it
has to be controlled,gradual and in needed areas.

7: What Goans (as any other civil society in the world) object to are:
Coming and trying to dominate the locals, Squatting as and where and
when they please, Filthing up the place etc.

8: It is not that FN has not read this before. It is just that he is
NOT open to thought and discussions he does not like. It is his
prerogative to remain biased and ignorant. But then, he goes into
Salazar mode and blocks contrary view points from forums like Goanet
which he controls

9: Does FN know of large numbers of Goans arriving anywhere
dominating the locals, Squatting, Spitting and Defecating in
publicand in general Filthifying the place?

10: IF not, why is he persistently spouting Nonsene?

Anyway . Peace be unto all including those who, knowingly or
otherwise, misrepresent.

jc

Re: [Goanet] Roland Francis: Gulf Goans - Stray Thoughts of a Toronto Goan

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

On 12 May 2013 16:01, Eddie Fernandes  wrote:

> If there is one 'take-away' from all this, it is that someone up there has
> always taken care of the well-being of Goans. The Portuguese didn't do it
> and the Indians are certainly far from doing it as well.
>

Could it just be that self-interest, the constant search for migration
opportunity (however much we deride the in-migrant), and fortuitous
circumstances also played its role? FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org

[Goanet] Roland Francis: Gulf Goans - Stray Thoughts of a Toronto Goan

[Eddie Fernandes]

By Roland Francis

Source: Goan Voice UK Daily Newsletter, 12 May 2013 at www.goanvoice.org.uk 

Until 1937 Aden was governed by the British as a part of India, but
realizing its future strategic importance both from a point of view of trade
as well as war, they decided to make it a separate colony and develop it. It
would serve their interest not only to export oil that was starting to be
drilled from Saudi Arabia but was also close enough to their oil interests
in Abadan and other parts of Iran or Persia as it was then called. Although
Basra was already being used, it wouldn't hurt for Aden to be the Arabian
foil to its Persian counterpart. The Brits controlled them both. And there
started the Goan Diaspora beginning of the Arabian Gold Rush that continues
even today.

Goans who were already well represented in Bombay's British Banks and
trading companies that were either British or Parsee dominated, were
encouraged to apply to positions that opened in Basra and Aden, the latter
more so. Already by that time fairly pioneering, having settled in British
and Portuguese Africa they must have said to themselves "why not"? The pay
was a little better than Bombay and the British recruiters didn't look at
educational qualifications too closely as they did for their hires in that
city. They knew that the climate was desert and intemperate but when did
weather ever deter Goan adventurers seeing how they in later years populated
even frigid winter countries like Canada.

So off to Arabia they went, with a large steel trunk on one of the BI
steamers (little ships plying the Bombay-Gulf route) with a hope in their
soul and a song in their hearts. In 7 days they docked and were met by one
of their Goan contacts already employed in the major port and shipping
agency of the place. Gray Mackenzie, a sister company of Mackinnon Mackenzie
of Bombay, was the dominating freight forwarder, port agent, importer and
exporter and was Goan dominated through the years of expansion that followed
in Bahrain Dubai, Doha and Kuwait.

After Aden, Bahrain opened up for Goans and became a more famous word in the
Konkani lexicon. For a long while any Goan coming on furlough to Bombay or
Goa mentioning that he was in Muscat, Qatar, Dubai or Abu Dhabi, would meet
with an understanding nod followed by "aanh Behrin". Bahrain was more
salubrious, had fresh water that was transported weekly in dhows to the
other states and the people were far more progressive and less religion
focused, since their livelihood was based mostly on diving and trade of
pearls, along with dates and fish, with Bombay and Karachi. Of course oil
money and nascent Arab ambition changed the situation considerably by the
end of the twentieth century. It was also to Bahrain that Goan employees
were transferred after the troubles started in southern Yemen coming under
communist influence. 

If there was a capital of the Gulf Goan Diaspora, it was Bahrain. Qatar was
merely a conglomeration of fishing and desert villages and Kuwait was just
starting to discover oil in critical mass. In fact the oilfields and
surrounding camps of PDO (in Oman), Shell (in the Dukhan oilfield of Qatar)
and Aramco (in Saudi Arabia) were the only signs of any life, not just Goan
life in the Gulf.

Life in Bahrain was centered in the small city of Manama where most of the
companies and large department stores churches and clubs were located with
satellite towns around it. It had the Bab-al-Bahrain (Bahrain Gate) where
people congregated and if the Goan community were not in their clubs, you
could see them taking their walks near the Bab. There was much closeness
among Goans and I personally witnessed that. Almost every Goan in the other
Gulf States knew a relative or friend in Bahrain and they would be invited
to stay with them when they inevitably made a trip there. The small
island-state was liberal with alcohol laws and every weekend you would see
long lineups spilling onto the curbs, of people buying from a large choice
of booze from Gray Mackenzie or other Bodegas. Of course most of the buyers
were Saudis who would drive in for a weekend of spirit abuse, or other Gulf
nationals who were deprived of liquor (and pork) in their own states by
strict Islamic laws. Goans in Bahrain at one time had the best time of any
other Goan Gulf community and one might include some non-Gulf countries as
well. The pay was good, the life was good, and you could fly to Bombay or
Goa in a couple of hours. Of course there is always more to a situation than
just that, but I am telling it from the mindset that prevailed then. 

If there is one 'take-away' from all this, it is that someone up there has
always taken care of the well-being of Goans. The Portuguese didn't do it
and the Indians are certainly far from doing it as well.

[Goanet] 100th anniversary World War One - 18 May 2013

[Melvyn Fernandes]

Dear Goanet readers

Saturday, 18th May this year will be the 100th anniversary of the start of 
hostilities in Europe that led to World War One with huge loss of life to bring 
about the 
peace and security and harmony our generation living in some countries today.   
I just wondered if we have any survivors from our small Goan community of 
this era.   Portugal, England's oldest ally, was a neutral country in the war 
and gave thanks to God by building a National sanctuary of Christ the King 
(Christo 
Rae) a monument overlooking river Tagus in Lisbon. 

I read in Goan Voice Canada that 2009 was also the 100th anniversary of the 
Railway Goan Institute at Nairobi Kenya. The webisite is still under 
construction in 
2013.   May I dare ask fellow learned readers and scholars on Goanet to let us 
know if payment of construction of the building and wages was in cowrie shells, 
who owned the land, who were the the workers and who designed the wooden 
building also how long did it take to build with consideration to harmony and 
differences among our Bardez and Salcette tribes from Goa working on the East 
African Railway. Having survived the man eating lions of Tsavo , did the lions 
avoid Goans as a snack avoiding bum burn as the Goan will have contained the 
very small Portuguese red hot chili ingredient used in sorpotel for flavouring. 
I 
am aware what caused the Building of the Goan Institute in 1905. You see one 
was built of Stone the other of wood. As a pageboy I attended weddings at 
both function halls. 

In 1975 I went to the Kenya High Commission in London to look at the telephone 
directory and was surprised to note eight Goan Oganisations in Nairobi had 
mushroomed . In 2012 there were over 50 Goan organisations in the London - 
England area not counting the miscellaneous ones around the country . To say 
"we are one" or ami soglem ek is an understatement and should be addressed at 
World Goa Day in its 22nd year - for the first 10 years nothing happened.

Nairobi if I remember is a Masai word for Flat land. In 2013 I received a video 
clip from a mutual friend of a 13 year old Masai Moran inventing a device 
making 
peace with Simba (Lions) nearly 100 years later and would by kind favour of 
Goanet like to share this with you. Please watch this in full and note that 
this 
would not work in Goa as Dogs would chase anything moving with lights on 
especially motorcycles and cars at night.

http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_turere_a_peace_treaty_with_the_lions.html

Enjoy.

Melvyn Fernandes
Thornton Heath
Surrey, United Kingdom

12 May 2013

Re: [Goanet] Mumbai Goan restaurants

[Jose Colaco]

On May 11, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Venantius J Pinto  
wrote: "Lusitanians is what the Portuguese were referred (alternative country 
name: Lusitania), as say Hibernians to the Irish (Hibernia)"

Dear V,

Most of what you write about Lusitania, Lusitanians (hockey) and the gleam that 
the very names Lusitanians & Goan Sports and the teams themselves would bring 
to 'our' parentals-generation (as you too have noted) makes me wonder : What 
was Valerian Cardinal Gracias about?

Three additional points: 

1: Lusitanians were the 'originals' whose language may have been Indo-European. 
They were eventually overcome by the Romans.

2: Lusitania is the name of the Roman province which included part of modern 
day Spain.

3: Modern day Portugal speaks several languages, some of which are losing 
speakers. The official language Portuguese is derived from Latin.

best

jc
I stand corrected if I have got the above ..wrong.

 

[Goanet] Sporting Clube de Goa and Sporting Clube de Portugal....

[Gabe Menezes]

The badges look identical! The love affair continues.

sporting clube de
portugal

http://www.sportingclubedegoa.com

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

[Goanet] Fwd: Song for the day....

[Gabe Menezes]

"Something's Gotta Give" Ella
Fitzgerald

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-8WwidVKGo

g



-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

Re: [Goanet] Mumbai Goan restaurants

[Gabe Menezes]

On 12 May 2013 02:23, Venantius J Pinto  wrote:

> To be precise, the Goan community is not homogeneous as its often made out
> to be, by display of the questions, concerns, aggravations and tidbits that
> make it out of our minds onto Goanet, at gatherings, etc.
>
> Lusitanians is what the Portuguese were referred (alternative country name:
> Lusitania), as say Hibernians to the Irish (Hibernia), Hayastanian to the
> Armenian (Hayastan), Eesti(nian) to the Estonian. Azania is a whole other
> story. Goans who have lived in Africa can get into that.
>
>
> Do share for what its worth.
>
> Venantius J Pinto
>
>
RESPONSE: Thank you for that piece; we also have Sporting Clube de Goa!
mirroring Sporting Lisbon, I wonder

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

Re: [Goanet] Goa dependent.

[floriano lobo]

My good friend Eric must, in the first place, be educated enough to venture 
into something that he does not know, nor has he tried to educate himself on 
the topic he is ending his post on.


First off, my good friend should be familiar with what he is talking about.
It is SU-RAJ he is talking about and not the SURAJ he sees arising in the 
East and setting in the West. Once this is taken care of, things will fall 
into proper perspective.


Two, Goa Su-Raj Party - GSRP is a registered political party with the 
Election Commission of India. Therefore, my friend's loose talk of linking 
GSRP to an INDEPENDENT Goa is like him performing like a magician taking out 
a rabbit from the hat. Hopefully, my good friend is not hallucinating.


Three, GSRP has always linked SPECIAL STATUS FOR GOA under Article 371 of 
the Constitution of India  to ' NO WILL'  from the Centre to bestow the same 
on Goa. Therefore the GSRP's threat of taking the matter to the UN where Goa 
has a strong case,  India having not conducted the much flouted Plebiscite 
by Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru prior and after 1961.


Four, what my good friend is talking about is about a person belonging to 
the National Marauder, the BJP, who is wittingly or unwittingly making 
U-Turns at every point, instead of proceeding straight forward with a 
decisive mind. The latest is the linking of the extra load carried by 
transporters to entry tax, which has no relevance at all. Entry tax is entry 
tax and over-laden vehicles is a safety measure that invites heavy fines 
whether one enters the state or not.


And, Five, my good friend surely is built to 'lick the foot'  that is 
kicking him. Therefore, he will not be able to understand firm minds and 
firm attitudes. I was hoping that he had some bone in his vertebral column. 
I am disappointed to say the least.


After all this, I still adivise my good friend to keep whatever he has 
learnt in his carrier as a 'defence' person ( if I am right in assuming 
this) where they have been taught more on how best to 'lick the foot' that 
kicks,  and, for a change, open the www.goasu-raj website and read  so that 
some empty space in his brains is fruitfully filled up or delete the trash 
that he has stored in it to make it saturated to make room for new 
knowledge.


I love being poked, but the person who does the poking must be  very very 
confident of himself,  to face me at any given time at any given place.


Hopefully, sense will prevail.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
PS: My good friend should see that Goa's ICON CEO who goes by the tag of 
being an IIT'ean is fluttering in the wind like a 'wind sock' on every 
decision he takes. There is no ROAD MAP and everything is AD-HOC. On IIT'ean 
( if I am right) has kept crores worth of SKY BUS monument for Goans to 
garland for the past many years. Therefore my reference to GSRP's Road Map 
available on www.goasu-raj.org



- Original Message - 
From: "eric pinto" 

To: "GOA2" 
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 5:50 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Goa dependent.


With beef having become history, for now, Goa now faces
being strangled with the closure of all cross-border commercial traffic. In 
a protest against road tolls, trucks will stop moving, effectively ending 
the import of over one half of all greens,

meat and grain consumed by us.
Karnataka has refused to heed our pleas to stop work on the
damn on the Mandovi. They also control the fields that produce
the gas we expected to start burning this year, and their new Congress
government may have scores to settle with BJP Goa.
My not so 'educated' guess is that the new 'Suraj' on the horizon
does not bode well for the territory: the independence a few have yearned 
for may not be so terribly palatable, after all. eric.

[Goanet] Happy Mothers Day everybody

[Mervyn Lobo]

Folks,
For those interested, here is a 5 minute video for Mothers Day. 


No doubt the presenter gets her good looks from her dad. 

It is becoming increasingly clear, however, that my daughter gets the IQ DNA 
from the mom's side of the family. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBvjnNcdZQo

Happy mothers day to all.

Mervyn

[Goanet] Video Report: Extension / renovation of CoP jetty, Cruise terminal, construction of Multi-level parking etc

[JoeGoaUk]

Panjim development: Work started
Extension and renovation of CoP jetty,
Extension of Cruise Terminal, Construction of Multi-level parking etc
CoP jetty to be completed by August 2013

Check here – Work in progress
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMi_uRCkfyc

Status as on 7th May 2013.

joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc  

[Goanet] Aitaracheo Katkutleo: Nusteachem Mol Bhangarak Tenklam

[lino dourado]

  
Nusteachem Mol Bhangarak Tenklam
 
 “Sokallchea nnov vorar nusteachea bazarant ghel’lo monis, donparchea barank 
ghora?”
Ghorant bhitor sortanch, kuznant aslolea eka sangatti ixttan vicharlem. Orxim, 
Kuwaitchea Sharq Fish Palace-int nusteacho bazar korpak, komi-komi ek vor mhaka 
puro. Punn porchea Sunkrarak, tin voram nusteachea bazarant sarlim mhunn, ekach 
flat-ant sangattan ravpi ixttank, ojeapanchem dislem. 
“Thoddo vell ravcho poddlo”, hanvem mhontlem
“Kiteak?”
“Nustem, bhonvunk ghel’lem”
Mhoji zap aikun eklean zonnen uktem kelem, ani bhailo gormencho tap kitlo asa 
to topaslo. Vicharlolea proxnank veglich zap dil’li aikun, ghoddie, bhaili 
gormi bhitor haddlea oxem taka dislem. Nusteacheo plastik telio piyent 
dovortana, anik eklean vicharlem
“Koslem nusteak haddlam. Sovai aslem aiz?” 
Sovai aslem aiz? Hea vicharacher  mhoji tokli birbili. Bhitorlea bhitoruch, 
mhargelea nusteak lagun zal'lea ragachi  tsunami-cher tabo dovorun, hanvem 
mhontlem.
“Nusteachem mol bhangarak tenklam”
Dhovim pamplettam molavunk zaina. Isvon (King fish) nusteachea razachem nanva 
toren, pamplettank queen fish nanv dovorpachi hanvem suchnna kelear, Sharq 
nustea bazarant nustem vinkpi nusteakar nakarchenam. Kilak, atth dinar 
pamplittam? Ani halwa? (Kalem Pamplitt) tannem-i aplo jeth unno korunk nam. 
Char dinarancher panvlam. Motte toklecho gobro? Tin dinara xivai tokli 
halloina. Surmai nusteam khavpi, jibek udkam kaddtta, ani adim dinarak panch 
kilo mellpi lepe nustem, atam; dina ruba (KD1.250) eka kilak farik korun, 
nusteachea bazarantli poll kaddta. 
Sharq nustea bazarant, Kuwaitchea dorianchim sungttam ‘season’-a xivai bazarant 
vikrek mello naslim. Atam sungttanche kaffil bhorpur zaleat. Kuwaitchea dorian 
sungttam marpachi bondi astona, dusrea desantleant sungttamvisit visa ghevn 
entry marta. Punn mol? Vhoddlim sungttam panch dinar zalear, moddlea vorgantlim 
tinam sokoll nant.  
Korli, pedd ani her kantteanchem nustem khavunk thoddea Gõykarank ruchi 
bhailem. Punn atam toch lok sullsullit nusteachea mhargayek lagun korli, pedd 
ani her nustem sodunk bhonvtta. Sogllea nustea von chukon golleak kantto 
xirkoun tras korpi mudoshi, (lady fish) eka kallar nus dinar (half dinar) 
kilachea molak melltali, punn aichea tempar bazar dorecho bhau, kilak, oddez 
dinarachem (KD 2.500) kapod nhesun chomokta. 
Thoddea tempa adim tin tem char dinarank,  freezer borunk zatalo, punn atam 
mhagayechem  nustean, donparchea vogttar randpachea aidon bhorona. Shevtali vo 
shevto, bangddo, tarlo kivam khampi nustem, sadaran mon’xachi jevnnachi ruch 
bhagoitoli. Punn atam henvuim nustean, Sharq Nusteachea Bazarant apnnalem 
pojisanv vaddoilam. Mhonnchem, tanchi-i dor bhangarak tenklolea nustea porim 
zalea kivam zait veta.
Tankam koxem kolltalem, hi mhaka khobor nasli. Hanv nustachea bazarak vochunk 
bhair sortana, bhair heddpi mazram mew-mew korun mhaka zap kori. Adim hanv, 
ruba (quarter) dinarak upot kampeo nam tor  tarle haddun, tankam khavunk 
ditalom. Mazram khuxi zatalim. Punn atam tim mazram pois-pois zaleant. 
Nusteachi mhargai zalea mhunn, tankaim gomlem kai? Adim hanv bhair sortana 
roddtalim tim mazramni atam roddpachem bond kelam. Kiteak? Atam hanvem, tanchem 
nustem khavunk suru kelam. 
Lino B Dourado