Re: [Goanet] [Goa Research Net] On the track to re-discover Orchata, a health drink from Goa (Eunice Lima Fernandes De Sa)
d, be it fruit, vegetables, the sun, etc. Food and > preservation have evolved around our seasonal resources. > > Living on the scenic banks of the River Mandovi, in Ribandar, > just across Chorao and 10 minutes from Panjim, I think of the > good simple times. > > When I retired and heard parents complaining about children > having fizzy drinks and not wanting to drink milk, I thought > it time to introduce them to Orchata, xarope de brindao, aam > panna, lime juice, etc., all made from seasonal fruits and > with great health benefits. > > It worked! The fall-out benefit was that I was able to > salvage the neglected kokum (also called the bin'na), the > green mangies from a fallen branch etc. Also the pulp > inspired me to make jams and pickles, since they have great > antioxidant and anti-inflammatory properties. > > As we reached out to more people with our summer > coolers, we realise that they were waiting for the > taste of Orchata. I'm happy to provide these > coolers and happier with the response and > creativity of my well-wishers. We've had a variety > of cocktails and mocktails being created with all > three, and beautiful pictures posted. > > Now you are getting all the coolers, jam, pickles and > chocolates from my personal kitchen. But we are thinking of > expanding and looking for a place, equipment, material, etc. > > -- > Eunice Lima Fernandes De Sa can be contacted via WhatsApp +91 > 99228 53736. Her Orchata and other preparations have been > widely appreciated on the 'Goa Menus' Facebook group and > other networks in Goa. > > Goanet Reader is edited and produced by Frederick Noronha. > > __._,_.___ > -- > Posted by: Jules Fausto Mendonca de Sa > -- > Reply via web post > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/goa-research-net/conversations/messages/15286;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZXBvOW9nBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2MDk0Mzk5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MzYyOARtc2dJZAMxNTI4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1OTM0NTU3MTI-?act=reply=15286> > • Reply to sender > > • Reply to group > > • Start a New Topic > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/goa-research-net/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMDRlOHRxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2MDk0Mzk5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1OTM0NTU3MTI-> > • Messages in this topic > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/goa-research-net/conversations/topics/15277;_ylc=X3oDMTM3aGhjZGhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2MDk0Mzk5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MzYyOARtc2dJZAMxNTI4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1OTM0NTU3MTIEdHBjSWQDMTUyNzc-> > (3) > «Research» is not bias-free, but we can try to make it emotion-free! > [Moderator] > Visit Your Group > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/goa-research-net/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmajBxdWlpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2MDk0Mzk5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MzYyOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE1OTM0NTU3MTI-> > > > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYXNwdG1xBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE2MDk0Mzk5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTU5MzQ1NTcxMg--> > • Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> • > Unsubscribe > • Terms > of Use <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/> > > . > > __,_._,___ > -- Maria Helga do Rosario Gomes 610 West 115th Street NY 10025 USA http://helgagomes.com/ http://www.goachitra.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Why tiny Goa needs to look into the deepend of cyberspace
--- CONVENTION OF THE GOAN DIASPORA FROM GOA INTO THE WORLD Lisbon, Portugal June 15-17, 2007 Details at: http://www.goacom.org/casa-de-goa/noticias.html --- Great article Nandakumar! Its all there at our finger tips but we need a strong and concerted effort to train teachers and students to look for the right stuff and then use it well. Helga Let me restrict myself to science, technology, medicine and engineering. What are the knowledge requirements in these areas? Users look for lecture notes, full text journal articles, reviews, images, abstracts, patents, weblinks. How many students and teachers in Goa are familiar with MIT's open courseware? Those who are answering IIT and other entrance exams would find the physics, mathematics and chemistry courseware useful. So also the students of engineering. --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] Sign Spotting in Panjim
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Very nice Cecil. I felt like I was wandering through the city. You could make this into a walking tour and sell it to some travel agency. I too like the old Portuguese names - like Armazen Vaglo jostling with the more modern names. Its when I think of our good friend Isabel Santa Rita Vas and her beautiful article about life growing up in Panjim.I don't know why it did not become highly popular because it is a great piece of reading for anyone wanting to settle in Panjim. I will be on the lookout for BABA ANTHONY -ST JOSE VAZ, AL MALIK REHAIN FARHAAN and SHRI GANESH SITABAI KRUPA on my next visit and I am sure to spot them just as I did you outside the NIO! Helga In the area near National Cinema you will find a large old style barber's shop (with a little wooden horse for small boys) named BARBERIA NOVA SUCURSAL, probably the biggest hair cutting salon in Goa. Behind this shop you will find a small shop, about as big as a billiards table, with the fancy name CASHINATH CAMOTIM IRMAO PVT LTD. In the Municipal Building we have the imposing SADASSIVA D. N. COUNTO, COMERICIO DE MAQUNAS DE COSTURA. The names of the three buses – BABA ANTHONY - ST JOSE VAZ (why wait for canonization?), AL MALIK REHAIN FARHAAN and SHRI GANESH SITABAI KRUPA. Our very own Amar-Akbar-Anthony on wheels. The hate mongers can go take a plunge in the deeper end of the Mandovi! Viva Goa! -- The column above appeared in the Gomantak times dated 1st March 2007
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/to Helga
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Selma, To address your post: So your rebuttal was in the wrong mail. HRG: No my reply was in the right thread. Because your remark about 'Bamons' was in the' Much Maigned Gulfie 'discussion - I did not put it there - you did. I think that last sentence was most unwarranted and I'll tell you the reason why. Discrimination, biases, caste harassment, sexual harassment, are not about colour, caste or sex. They are all about power. HRG: Thanks for explaining that to me! How did I live all these years without knowing that ?! One faction of society has it and the other is denied it. I can hardly be in a position to keep casteism alive and kicking. I don't have the power. HRG: Seems to me that you have the power to voice your opinion on this forum and every other power you would like to have! What powers would you like and what deters you from having them? Maybe we could help? If your analogy was true, every struggle or opinion voiced against casteism would be considered a strategy to keep it alive and ticking. HRG: I am all for an intelligent discussion on castes/discrimination and its implication for the present state of education in Goa. But I won't stand for derision and anecdotal evidence as data. Your comments are offensive and there are probably others like me who found them so. They could be silent because 1) They don't want to deal with these polemics 2) Are too well bred to say so.
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Selma, HRG: Here I am address some of your comments. But not all stereotypes are negative. For instance, the stereotype of the Goan Catholic being a susegad, fun loving, peaceful creature has been our hallmark and we embrace it. HRG: I can't imagine any stereotype being good! Perhaps you do not know but the 'sussegado Goan' stereotype often has a negative connotation because it depicts people who are lazy, have no ambition and are happy with their little world. I certainly would not like to be called sossegada and much less sossegado! Let's analyse the stereotype that has arisen of the Gulfie. That he is uneducated, that he goes to the Gulf does a menial job, comes back with a lot of money but continues to be an uncouth buffoon. HRG: That is a stereotype but in my discussion of education I was not perpetuating it. I won't repeat what I have already said in that post. goes to the Gulf, often works from dusk to dawn, suffers unbearable conditions, separated from his family and returns to Goa to enrich it economically. HRG: That was the point of the discussion. Why do they do so? My point and I think Sunith's was to say that perhaps our not so bad (but could be better) education could be harnessed to get young men into good positions in the tourism industry. Money? Valuable but a short term gain.There is also job satisfaction, living amongst your family and career prospects that favor living in Goa. And if you say they suffer unbearable conditions then perhaps the our government, schools, churches and NGOs could sell the advantages of a good education and the doors that it can open. Is hard work and sacrifice to be ridiculed? Not only do we make fun of it, but government policies are such that the Gulf-worker is usually unduly discriminated against when he returns, right from the time of his arrival at customs. HRG: No its not but everyone works hard not only Gulf Goans. Its a pity that the countries where they labor and give their best years respect them even less. The scores of Gulf-workers are usually those of the disadvantaged castes. They are not Bamons, privy to opportunities that arise from wealth and connections. HRG: I think its my turn now to say that I have had it with the berating of 'Bamons' as you like to call them. As you have analyzed the Gulfie for me perhaps its my turn now to dissect the 'Bamon' for you? Yes, some families have been privy to wealth and the opportunities it offers but so have you thanks to your parents. Many of these families are not wealthy but being middle class they have understood the value of a good education and have encouraged their kids to do well and many have. Some of the kids that Sunith named and you dismissed as rich kids are kids of government workers with no property to sell and make a fast buck. But like the Gulf Goan they have worked very hard to get into good universities in India and overseas. Entrance into professional colleges in Goa is much less biased towards the wealthy than say Ivy League universities in the USA. That's why there are so many non Bamon doctors, priests, architects, engineers and Professors. If anything this derision is infact another way of keeping casteism, well, alive and kicking in Goa. HRG: I think you are contributing to keeping casteism well, alive and kicking on this forum. Helga
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. We all know that stereotypes are hurtful even if you know you were not deliberately targeted. Its natural to take umbrage. Unfortunately there are few of us who have not stereotyped often unconsciously or unaware that someone may take offence. Helga Well said! Reena Carvalho wrote: I've just about had it with the constant maligning of the so-called Gulfie.
Re: [Goanet] Fork and Knife and North American Table DiningEtiquette
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I have to agree with you Paulo. In this age with people of all cultures traveling everywhere and experimenting with new foods the 'right' way to eat seems so passé. As long as the person is not making a mess, I think its fine to eat the way you feel most comfortable. Japanese have so many rules about chopsticks but do the critical Europeans even know they are making a ton of faux pas? Most everyone picks up two sticks, makes sure he grasps a succulent piece of tuna , hangs on to it with the chopsticks, pop it in the mouth and enjoys the small but delicious moment! What I think is more important is to be able to enjoy good food and we Asians are true masters at that! Helga Today we are all more relaxed and I believe the Americans have their reasons to be different and I think it is associated to the fact that you should always use the stronger hand to hold the fork (right if you are right-handed or left if you are left-handed). Best, Paulo Colaco Dias.
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Educational system
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Selma and Sunith, This ricochet of email is is not serving the discussion on Goa's educational system. If you pick up isolated incidences or specific characters we will get nowhere and we be arguing until we are blue in the face. Yes there are many young men in the coastal villages of Goa who hang around at the tinto waiting to get overseas or hang around at the shacks while the non Goan boys do all the work. In the meantime there are many good jobs in 5 star hotels that could have been ours if our young men had the education especially as we have many hotel management colleges whose graduates are accepted by hotels in the UK etc. So has our education system failed them? Probably. Because they prefer arduous short term stints in the Gulf/UK and then the return to bleak futures mostly saturated with alcohol. But I think this is mostly in families that have not grasped that education can be a long term investment mainly because they have not had the luxury of one. And no one has told them it can be so. It seems like our leaders, priests and the local intelligentsia us included have failed to impart the formula that has worked for us. And Selma, I don't know why you would even think that you and your family were lumped with them. Did you not tell us that your parents were an educated couple who worked hard overseas and gave you opportunities and privileges that you and your sibling now enjoy? Just like many of us 'privileged sons and daughters of Goa'? Education can level the playing field only if we allow it to and only if we are aware that it can be so. Not all Westerners have figured that our either. Our town of Boothbay Harbor has no immigrants and a very large population of pretty comfortable lobster fishermen thanks to tax benefits and subsidies. Almost all of our house taxes (and with monstrous waterfront properties it all adds up) go to the school which at least to me from Marina English High School, Verna is an excellent facility with very small classes, sports and extracurricular activities. Truly the kids are pampered. But who graduates from high school (Std XII) and goes on to a good college? Only the kids of scientists and non Mainers. The lobstermen's kids 'gradate' (no one fails!) with poor scores, are barely able to read/write but have a job with their dad and the permissions to fish which nowadays are worth a lot. Unfortunately, the lobster populations are expected to collapse soon. In the urban areas its no different - the US government has pumped millions of the tax payer's dollars into programs that have shown very little return. Kids from poor families are still not able to read and write and are not equipped for any job barring waiting tables and with the current trend of jobs going overseas its a big problem. However we have 'Teach for America' that has worked and some other programs that I think could work for Goa. We should talk about those! Also please refer to my previous email where I talk about young college graduates who could contribute to outreach with the exceptional projects that they undertake. Helga Let me say however there is a big disconnect between what the privileged sons and daughters of Goa can reap as reward and what the masses can look forward to. A good education system levels the playing field. It makes available not just opportunity but also aspiration, motivation and the inclination to climb higher and reach further.
Re: [Goanet] Climate Change and Education
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am in the process of screening through more than 3000 email - a consequence of my long stay in Goa so I enter into this argument late. The discussion on education is interesting and highly pertinent and just when I thought I could side with one argument another came up! Yes our education unfortunately does not impart written and spoken skills especially for kids whose parents are not educated. So many young people shy from asking questions, reading or discussing problems like global warming, HIV etc. Someone pointed out that South Goa kids prefer to go overseas, make a fast buck and come back and that's true too and we have to address that. Is it that teachers don't excite and challenge kids? In the US when we make outreach activities for kids we focus on the question: WHY do they care? e.g. Why do kids care if there are different types of clouds? But when I left Goa I did not know how to make my presentations attractive, slip a few jokes to make my talk more fun and get the audience excited in my work and I still find it a challenge. So the teachers too have to get some exposure and training. Perhaps a big curriculum bogs them? Buoyed by the enthusiasm from students, academics in fields totally unrelated to climate, priests and others at Basilio Monteiro's wonderful conference (more on that in another email) Joaquim took his global warming talk to many Goan colleges and the kids just loved it. Incidentally his talk covers a lot more than Al Gore's movie and dwells on natural events such as those mentioned by Gabriel Figueiredo. And he talked about the consequences of the Goa Regional Plan too!!! But I think its Joaquim and I who were more impressed with the kids who we met at these small colleges - Carmel's, Dhempe's and Xavier's. In small and familiar settings they asked a ton of questions, took copies of the presentation and talked of their own projects. The latter were really impressive - in fact Carmels publishes a peer reviewed journal with research articles from science to literature. But I think we lack outreach activities that can take information researched or learned into larger settings. Can these kids take their projects to schools perhaps? Can they give presentations and excite and enthuse others? Will their already packed schedules allow them to do so or could it be part of their curriculum? At the same conference Prof. Junjunwala lamented the lack of good teachers and the recent abundance of well paid jobs in multinationals doesn't help. Can we do something like 'Teachers for America'? We have a huge populace of retired academics, researchers etc. Could we pay them to go back and teach in schools? And finally we need more teachers on his forum. Helga Ever since I set foot in the UK a few months ago, I have been amazed by the general level of awareness people here have about Global Warming and Climate change.
Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa/response to Helga
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ Mario, Stacey was driving all over Goa which worked well for me who did not even know to drive then! Helga I'm glad that your friend, Stacey, saw none of ... the mounting garbage, the reckless traffic, the ugly facade of new buildings erected without planning and without a hint of an architectural soul in them. Neither did I the last time I was in Goa. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Great Men Of Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ A bit late in the No great women in Goa debate' or is it over? If there are, I would be very happy if someone could bring the names to my attention because one has always to be learning, and if there are, and fall within accepted notions of Greatness, I would gladly apologize for the inadvertent error of ommission. MARCOS GOMES CATAO Not aware of any Great Goan Women? What a pity! If you are not aware of any GGW then: 1) It could be because there were non pre 1950. Which could be further construed to mean that the Portuguese regime afforded few opportunities for women 2) That even though you took so much time to ferret out all these male luminaries it did not occur to you to look out for women 3) To quote you 'one has always to be learning' so I guess you have some homework to do! I don't think its (1) because I do know that there were many bright women in the time frame you mention and that there was little gender discrimination in the Portuguese regime.(2) As for your painstaking 'research' if you had taken the trouble to look then you would have been pleasantly surprised to see that some of the great men on your list were actually related to women who were equally or perhaps greater! Case in point being Bruto da Costa (Lisbon) whose wife is a Chemical engineer and environmentalist in Lisbon and his sister in law Adelia Costa said to the first woman psychiatrist of Goa. And how about the well known educationist Correia Afonso? And to that list I would add Maria Aurora Couto, a writer and Professor (3) A good place to start your homework would be Goa Sudharop's e book where you would find many women even from the 1950s. Helga do Rosario Gomes Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Gulab Jaam (Was: Goa is............)/to Cornel
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051412.html Oddly enough Selma your experiences where different from mine probably because it was a party of Lusophiles. I went to the Fundacao to get information on scholarships for a family member and no one at the reception spoke Portuguese which to me was very surprising. I mean how many people at the British Council do not speak English? Every foreign agency in Japan was manned by English speaking Japanese. I am sure there are some who do speak Portuguese but they weren't there on that day they weren't at the front desk. And contrary to what your friend told you there are many people who speak very good Portuguese and not 'Português de cozinha' so they could be hired! Now I am not trying to tell the Fundacao how to run its shop just a few contrarian thoughts on a cool, Sunday morning to quote Fred. You went to a party which was technically a gathering of Lusophiles so people were bound to speech Portuguese. Believe me if you were to go to a US function in Japan no one would have bothered to speak Japanese to you. Also I would like to state that not everyone who speaks Portuguese is doing so because they are snobs and want to draw an imaginary line. Many like me speak it because it was the first language we spoke and the language we still speak to our close relatives and friends. Its just what we are used to - we also speak English and Konkani even though many people who don't speak Portuguese refuse to speak Konkani now. I don't know why but I got flogged several times (Toronto and London) because I spoke Portuguese - I like speaking the language I was raised speaking but then I like speaking all the languages that I know. What is the big deal about speaking Portuguese? If you like a language all you have to do is buy Rosetta Stone, practice everyday and maybe do an immersion program in Portugal/Brazil. I think Goan society is still very elitist, which is funny really because the most pretentious of the lot are generally the least educated. If you are implying that the people on the day of that party were pretentious because they did not speak English to you and so were not educated I cant comment as I wasn't at that party. But in defense of my family I would say that many still speak Portuguese because they studied the language, spoke it all their lives like we do English and suddenly life as they knew changed. In spite of that they did reinvent themselves and all speak very good English. They are also highly educated but I would not call them snobs. You are meeting the wrong people Selma - come visit us in Goa! Helga I think Goan society is still very elitist, which is funny really because the most pretentious of the lot are generally the least educated. selma Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa/response to Helga
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051412.html Hi Selma, Even though you have abandoned this thread I would like add one more post to this discussion and this one is to state that I do not question your love for Goa or your loyalty. Unlike our President I do not possess a meter that allows me to measure loyalty and patriotism. We certainly cant compare India to Iran- where lives under a West leaning despot turned into lives under a brutal theocracy with not even an simple experiment in democracy like the one by the Pants from Pune that they undertook as the British were leaving - I know because one of their daughters Aditi Pant was my PhD advisor. But I know why our points of view differ - you were taken as a young girl to the Middle East which afforded you opportunities for a career etc that young women of my age and maybe yours did not have in Goa. As a young woman we had few options - medicine, teaching or working in a bank. Marriage to a well established upper-class man was to many young women the best and easiest option . Perhaps we were used to courts that work slowly, apathetic cops, rude and lazy government workers and a hospital where the poor are treated like dirt by the ones who should be caring for them - we did not know better and many still don't. Buying a car was almost like winning Mervyns's lottery and a phone was Kohinoorean in value as was overseas travel and any other luxury. So when I see the opportunities for the young people of today it pleases me immensely. As you pointed out to Sunith only the wealthy or the upper class could have an education and EVERY job required a sugar daddy. Well now the scene at least from where I am standing is totally different: education is affordable to everyone as is overseas travel which to me is a also great education, there are plenty of jobs to be had based purely on merit and really few want to work in a government office or even a bank. In fact the ICCI bank has such a high turnover that they are no longer able to provide the great service they used to. Old conservative families have changed their outlook and the field has leveled. There is a chance for a better life not just for the upper class but for everyone. However I do understand that you would like to see more happening in Goa and that what I see as advantages may not seem so to you raised as you were in an affluent country. Well its up to Goans now to elect leaders that can serve them better, to insist on zoning laws, better traffic conditions etc And many are doing so. Valmiki Faleiro had some excellent articles on the traffic situation, Clinton and many others are trying to solve the garbage problem. A river had to catch fire before the US caught up to the fact that they were polluting their water sources and Rachel Carson fought a long and hard battle against DDT. We are still reeling over what it is costing us to pay for a war that was endorsed by 75% and now by only 30% - the difference learned the hard way. Even now the US is fighting a severe battle against drugs, guns and obesity. I have hope for Goa and that's why I will be going back again next week - to do what I love best. Meet my friends, neighbors and enjoy the warmth of a great community where Christmas has not lost its spirit! Happy holidays and don't let the gulab jamum lady bite! Helga -- Dear Helga, It is customary on this forum to make politically correct and patronising statements about Goa. Anyone who doesn't play alongwith the game is soon vilified. I stopped responding to this thread sometime ago because apart from the righteous rhetoric there really Stating something does not bring into question one's own loyalty and love for their mother-land. It merely catapults one into debate and seeking of avenues to reverse the situation. We must get over this need to demonise someone with a contrary view and that too with the most personal of insults. Selma Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Goa Sudharop Raflle update
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051412.html As you must know Mervyn its freezing out here - do you really want us to bare for you for four days? Maybe we could do it in Goa? Helga For those of you who find these posts about the raffle too repetitive, my apologies. Bare with us for four more days and you wont hear much from us again. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa/response to Helga
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051412.html Yes Selma nothing beats entering your home and seeing the old walls still strong and welcoming - its amazing how even an old door that just wouldn't lock properly and still doesn't in spite of the best efforts of your carpenter can be a great souvenir! To quote my friend Stacey Young from NY who fell in love with Goa in two nanosecs - Don't call it a house Helga, its a home! And the wonderful people who welcome you to their homes, the teenagers who don't think it uncool to visit older people, drink tea and chit chat with you about outsourcing and which shops have the best salwaar. And the big cribs/nativity scenes in every Salcete village - the joint effort of village boys competing with the next vaddo! Check out the one at Pedda Benaulim - my ancestral home. When will you be home? Helga Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The Table in Ribandar
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051398.html It was a blooper! I was having big problems with that sentence - in retrospect 'deliver' would have been better although I got rid of that word after I had so much trouble explaining it to my Japanese students. They just couldn't get it and their dictionary did not have that context. When I finally decided on 'laid' it was to mean that baby Selma was laid on the table - nicely and softly all swaddled in towels! If it inspires a tiatro who should play the adult Selma? I am a bit out of touch with tiatristas. Helga Helga do Rosario Gomes wrote to Selma: From the time you were laid on that table in Ribandar?!!! Now I think Helga has misunderstood what Selma originally said. She claimed to have been delivered on this table in Ribandar, not laid. Eggs get laid, humans get delivered. I have an idea for a Semi-Fiction Documentary with the Table in Ribandar being central to the plot. Like the Da Vinci Code and the centrality of the painting of The Last Supper. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Home is where Roland says it is
That was funny Cecil. And to George: the bit about monopoly was in jest. I meant monopoly as in Bell and Microsoft. I know that you have a good sense of humor and I do appreciate what Acaria, Philomena, you and everyone related to GS does. Cecil: In George's defense it must be said that he has never said that Goa Sudharop is the only meaningful Goan charity. It is only Roland who is beating the drum over-enthusiastically to draw attention away from the major blunders in his own postings. In fact I think Mervyn and George, and all involved with the Goa Sudharop Raffle, must be embarrassed by Roland mentioning the raffle to further his own prejudiced postings. I accused him of throwing like a girl! Helga: 6) One watch does not make you a philanthropist who can throw (like a girl) stones at others - you need to try harder! Cecil: I think that was unnecessary and below the belt Helga, to accuse Roland of being 'like a girl'. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Home Is Where The Heart Is (2)
Thankfully this riposte is not going to task my mind: 1) Why shouldn't they rush to elevate themselves in their careers? Isn't everyone doing that all over the world? They don't have the dole to fall back on or free medical benefits, just opportunities and chances at a half way decent education which they are grabbing. I wish the young people in my town of Boothbay whose school grabs all of my house tax had that kind of an ambition. You should have been lauding these kids who survive brain racking tests and brutal schedules without the luxury of cars, credit cards and laptops. How do they address issues like global warming, sustainable development and alternate fuels if they don't have the kind of education that the NIO tries to give them? 2) And how do you know my colleagues are 'not doing anything?' 3) What correlation is there between by lenghty (sic) prose and my largesse? I could be doing both, neither or one or the other. 4) How do you know if I contribute to Goa Sudharop or not? Did you hack into Paypal? 5) Does giving to Goa Sudharop constitute the only charitable act that a Goan can undertake? Or the only meaningful one? Really George Pinto I could be accusing you of monopoly! 6) One watch does not make you a philanthropist who can throw (like a girl) stones at others - you need to try harder! And Helga, much as I admire your lenghty treatise on how Goa has a bright future with all your bright colleagues in the NIO and elsewhere rushing about to elevate themselves in their careers, I would admire even more your less lenghty but more effective donation to Goa Sudharop to do what your young colleagues are not doing - making Goa a better place, one person at a time. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa
Hi Philomena, This is not a specific response to you but to the ongoing discussion The mess that is Goa which was very disturbing for me not 'enlightening or entertaining' as it luckily was for you. Because I tend to ramble I am enumerating a few of the many thoughts that have been scuttling in my mind for the entire week: 1) This is not a forum to bash countries which is how some discussions devolve. Case in point was an almost 2 month discussion on Canada vs. the USA. In my mind there are countries with problems and there are countries with GREATER problems. That is why I am glad that Cecil brought Canada vs. Goa to the level of Comedy Central - absurd and infantile. If traffic is a big problem in Goa and in my opinion it is a serious one than maybe targeting some of the Friday Discussion Balcoes would have been a better idea? DVDs on safe driving and why discipline, abiding to rules and small courtesies actually gets you home faster and safer could be offered? We could talk to our friends and relatives about what we have learned/seen? Its not like there are no traffic problems, road rage and DUI in large cities in the USA. Yes first world countries not just Western ones are more organized and disciplined with more emphasis on human safety, justice etc which makes for good living. Does that make them all better humans or everyone's lifestyle better? Money, smaller and or homogenous populations, stronger leaders, young cultures and combinations of many such factors have helped these countries. Also development has been at the immense cost to this planet which we are recognizing only now. 2) Selma, I don't think that Goa is devolving although what's your time line i.e. from when did it start to devolve? From the time you were laid on that table in Ribandar?!!!Then maybe you are some mutant Prophet! I would say its evolving in certain areas and devolving in others - the latter because our human foot print is immense and partly because of corruption, a very heterogeneous population which identifies more with its state/religion than with the country and fierce competition for opportunities and resources which are scare. Its for this reason that life seems so much harder than it would in sparsely populated Canada with its vast natural resources. In India, competition for professional colleges is immense unlike in North America which has a flexible education system, tons of colleges and a small young population. But its still a great time to be young in India - there are more jobs in fields like mass media and when you turn on the TV you see fresh faces with fresh outlooks unlike in the west which seems a tad jaded or in the case of my morning tryst with CNN - very trite. There are ton of News and financial TV channels in India, a lot of them peopled by young women who discuss financial markets like they just came out of internships with Amartya Sen. My young neighbor Arjun has set up his own financial consultancy - who thought Verna would have a financial guru? I have already spoken about young women scientists at the NIO in my previous posts. 3) Helping Goa. Yes there is much that some (not all!) expatriates can do for Goa/India but how about the other way around? What can Goans/Indians do for expatriates of more developed countries? I think its important that we identify these areas so that it can be a two way 'trade/charity' and thus make us all feel wanted and respected. No one wants people to drop money and give advice that often is not applicable to the situation- they want respect and like the expatriates they want to feel useful and empowered. So lets enumerate what we and our kids can get from Cecil, Aristo, Jason etc. My friend Ronnie, a chemist who lives in Toronto sent his son to the NIO for an internship and it worked really well for him. I often think that Americans would be well served by a reverse Peace Corp. where armadas of Indian women could teach 'poor' Americans how to cook healthy meals and feed families on less than 100$ a week rather than cry poverty, eat junk food and become obese. 4) Also let's not think that everyone wants to leave their home and hearth and let's do some soul searching. As RK pointed out - how different are people and their lives in different corners of the world if we compare apples with apples? Not Dharvi slums and the vast sprawl of Mississauga. When we immigrate we often get the Oh He/She is Doing So Well label! Bem analisado what exactly does that mean? It probably means something in terms of your buying power in less economically developed countries ( not so much in India anymore) and perhaps to a small extent for professions like academia and research where there is more money (at least in some fields), so more opportunities to rise up the ranks and more exposure thanks to the ease with which traveling is possible. But in the corporate world? These Oh He/She is Doing So Well people how different is working for a bank/insurance
Re: [Goanet] Fr. Agnel Needs to Be Fastracked to Sainthood -Thereshould be no European Bias!
Well said Margaret! . The virtual genocide of the Palestinians. The global trafficking of children for the purpose of cheap labour and/or prostitution. The dangerous descent of Iraq into civil war and the complete destabilization of the Middle East. I could go on and on, but I'm sure you catch my drift. Margaret Mascarenhas Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet/response to Selma
Just to clear matters Aristo I don't think Goan women living in Goa spend their time making pattice or cutlecy which is what Selma said - seriously or in jest I don't know. If I was living in Goa which I have for the greater part of my life, this forum would have no use for me. Then I probably would have joined realclimate.org or some food and wine blog. Because there I could learn new stuff. So I am not surprised that barring a few, Goan women (living in Goa) do not contribute to our discussions. There are plenty of other Indian discussion groups where topics such as corruption, environment, development and sustainability, religion in the modern world are being discussed. Its not that they don't have anything to say. Women in Goa are doing really well, balancing great careers with family, not an easy feat considering they don't have all the first world facilities like comfortable public transportation, day care etc. I am very impressed at the daughters of my friends who take posts overseas, work for big name companies and are very self assured. At the NIO where I spent two weeks there were women everywhere (apparently they cant find any guys to do fieldwork!!) and they are working toward their doctorates in very interesting fields like paleoclimate, molecular biology and biotechnology. However, I do wonder why Goan women overseas especially from the two biggest communities of Canada and the UK are so absent from this forum which I think is very informative and often entertaining for us expatriates. Where I wonder are the wives and daughters of the many who write so vociferously and often at great leegth! I saw plenty of ladies at Viva Goa!!! I do know a few Goan women living in Canada and the USA - one is very busy with her extremely demanding career but there are also a few who spend a disproportionate amount of time are chatting on the phone about who's getting married to who in Goa and which same caste party is happening next week where they can take inventory of the latest crop of Goan bachelors even though their daughters are not in the marriage market yet Its not my business what anyone does but a few lines would have been welcome! Helga Don't worry Selma, all the girls around me in my generation were encouraged to do what they WANTED to do, but boys will be boys, and girls will be girls, we have different interests and priorities. However, none of them can make fish cutlecy for me! Cheers, Aristo. On 11/30/06, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While boys are left in the company of men to talk about the issues of the day, girls are encouraged to help in the kitchen and serve appetizers (also called pattices in Goa). We Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet
Why surprised Selma? Are there any women on the 'up to date' list of Great Goan men? Or was a list of Great Goan MEN!? As far as lists are concerned this one had less statistical merit than People Magazine's Sexiest Men Alive! But maybe we can start one for women? Let me put at Number# 1 the much maligned but highly indispensable Goan Maid. The same one that got bashed in the last few posts for her lack of work ethic and loose morals! Helga Dear Sachin, I don't think there are any women on Goanet and as the last surviving member of that now nearly extinct species, let me give you my opinion... Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet
Maybe start another raffle?! Helga Hi Selma I reckon we definitely have more than one female Goanetter at present. My question however, is how do we increase the numbers? Regards Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
[Goanet] Fwd: Pesticides in (Indian) Bottled Water and Soft Drinks
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I received this from a chemist (ex NIO) who now works on environmental issues at Environment Canada and has worked with pesticides for a long time. Guess I sticking to my well water and its cute frogs! Helga This is what he had to say: It would be advisable to be informed on the high levels of pesticides found in bottled water and soft drinks manufactured in India. read the original CSE Report (Aug 2006). The analytical methodology and conclusions seem to be non biased and scientifically sound-although the Coke and Pepsi multinationals will like you to believe otherwise. The links are as follows: http://www.cseindia.org/misc/cola-indepth/poison.pdf I ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
