Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
--- velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mario, As the main proponent of the theory that God fearing people cannot be evil. Can you please explain the following paradoxes. Mario responds: Sadly for your case, you start off with a false premise. When exactly did I say what you say I said? Actually, I said just the opposite, that atheists and religious types can do evil things from time to time. I further said that people who openly reject the entire moral code they ostensibly subscribe to, like Stalin, Hitler, the Mafioso, Osama and his Islamo-fascists, etc. cannot be logically or honestly described as God-fearing. Velho writes: 1. Why is the Bible Belt in the USA known for religious god fearing people as well as for the most racist ones ?? Mario responds: Known for??? By whom? I don't know this as a generality. The most racist Americans are the political liberals who patronize minorities and want them to be dependent on the government. That's the worst thing one can do to a minority in a highly competitive, mostly-free-market economy. Velho writes: 2. Why are Brahmins (the most god fearing and religious of castes) synonymous with oppression of lower castes ?? Mario responds: Again, the facile assumption about who is God-fearing. I am not familiar with the Hindu pantheon, and which god are the Brahmins supposed to fear, and what exactly is their official moral code and what exactly are they fearful of? I suggest you ask one of them. Velho writes: 3. Why are Fidayeen extensively brainwashed with rock solid codes(quotes) from the Koran before they blow themselves up ?? Mario observes: Sunith, Several Islamic Imams I have talked to confirm, with references to the Qu'ran, that what the Islamo-fascists, whom you call Fedayeen, are being taught and brainwashed, violates every one of the Islamic moral codes in the Qu'ran. For example, suicide is specifically prohibited in the Qu'ran, as is hostility to other religions that are not attacking Islam. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
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Hi Mario, Mario writes: Sadly for your case, you start off with a false premise.When exactly did I say what you say I said? Actually I said just the opposite, that atheists and religious types can be evil from time to time. Sunith respnds: My mistake!! I'm extremely sorry for attributing the quote/belief to you. Mario writes: The most racist Americans are the ones who patronize and want minorities to be dependent on the government. That's the worst thing one can do to a person in afree market economy. Sunith responds: I always thought the most racist Americans were the ones who wanted minorities mariginalised. Thank you for opening my eyes. So now in the world according to Mario, Racism equals wanting minorties to be dependent on the government. Wow!! Do you ever read what you write. Mario writes: You seem to have a lot of preconceived notions and straw men.Several Islamic Imams I have talked to confirm, referencing the Qu'ran, that what these guys are being taught and brainwashed violates every one of the Islamic moral codes. Suicide is specifically prohibited in the Qu'ran. Sunith responds: In the world NOT according to Mario, it is a known fact(not pre concieved notion) that many fidayeen are trained in madarasas.I have also seen several Islamic Imams on Al-Jazeera TV and some websites justify mujahideen blowing themselves up during a Jihad. There are indeed many Imams who consider the fidayeen as martyrs. So whose interpretation is according rock solid moral code?? The Imams you allegedly talked to or those I have read/seen?? Do your Imam friends agree with your use of the term Islamo-fascist to describe the Iraqi fighters in Iraq or are they your cafeteria friends?? On a related note, the Bishop of Jerusalem yesterday called George Bush a Christless Christian on BBC World's Hard Talk. If I am expected to believe your Imam friends views on Islam then I'll surely have to believe Riah Abu El-Assal's(the bishop) views on GWB. I think the better choice is to make up my own mind after considering FACTS, not mindlessly parroting the propaganda I'm fed. Regards Sunith Velho Panjim-Goa ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
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Hello Mr, Lawrence Your reply made we wonder what you understood of the Holy Bible. I am not a scholar in this subject, but yet I feel you have not understood the basic message in this. Its not only Christians who believe that Abraham was asked for the sacrificing of his son, but also Moslems too believe only difference is that they believe it's Ishmael. Its was Abraham's utmost love for God which needed the test, and he did not fail God in that. The defination for Violence is a behaviour that is intended to hurt or kill. Violence is an act of greedy people who want something by hook or by crook, (eg can be politicians ?) And for Sacrifice is giving up something valuable to oneself, in order to get or do something that seems more important. Sacrifice is an act of selfless person, who will give even his/her last morsel of food and stay hungry. ( eg can be parents ) Cheers Jerry Fernandes - Original Message - From: Lawrence Rodrigues ... It is my belief that NO God fearing person will NEVER commit violence against another ... except in self-defence. ...Jose Colaco What about the Abraham's attempt to kill his son Isaac? Lawrence ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
Hi Mario, As the main proponent of the theory that God fearing people cannot be evil. Can you please explain the following paradoxes. 1. Why is the Bible Belt in the USA known for religious god fearing people as well as for the most racist ones ?? 2. Why are Brahmins( the most god fearing and religious of castes) synonymous with oppression of lower castes ?? 3. Why are Fidayeen extensively brainwashed with rock solid codes(quotes) from the Koran before they blow themselves up ?? Regards Sunith Velho Panjim-Goa ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
... It is my belief that NO God fearing person will NEVER commit violence against another ... except in self-defence. ...Jose Colaco What about the Abraham's attempt to kill his son Isaac? Lawrence ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
--- velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mario, As the main proponent of the theory that God fearing people cannot be evil. Can you please explain the following paradoxes. Mario responds: Sadly for your case, you start off with a false premise. When exactly did I say what you say I said? Actually I said just the opposite, that atheists and religious types can be evil from time to time. I further said that people who openly reject across the board the moral code they ostensibly subscribe to, like Stalin, Hitler, the Mafioso, Osama and his Islamo-fascists, etc. cannot be logically or honestly described as God-fearing. Velho writes: 1. Why is the Bible Belt in the USA known for religious god fearing people as well as for the most racist ones ?? Mario responds: Known by whom? I don't know this as a generality. The most racist Americans are the ones who patronize and want minorities to be dependent on the government. That's the worst thing one can do to a person in a free market economy. Velho writes: 2. Why are Brahmins (the most god fearing and religious of castes) synonymous with oppression of lower castes ?? Mario responds: Again the facile assumption about who is God-fearing. I am not familiar with the Hindu pantheon, and which god exactly are the Brahmins supposed to fear, and what exactly are they fearful of? I suggest you ask one of them. Velho writes: 3. Why are Fidayeen extensively brainwashed with rock solid codes(quotes) from the Koran before they blow themselves up ?? Mario observes: Sunith, You seem to have a lot of preconceived notions and straw men. Several Islamic Imams I have talked to confirm, referencing the Qu'ran, that what these guys are being taught and brainwashed violates every one of the Islamic moral codes. Suicide is specifically prohibited in the Qu'ran. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sarcasm aside, you make a good point. Slippery definitions can be conveniently invoked for words such as god-fearing, anti-semite, terrorist sympathizer, hater of freedom and democracy, etc. A swami, a mullah or a priest who is defined as god- fearing one moment can be conveniently re-defined as godless the moment he commits a crime. Mario observes: The master of slippery definitions stands exposed once again. Someone who is defined as God-fearing one moment CANNOT be re-defined as Godless the moment he commits a crime. No religious person on Goanet has done this, so Santosh's assertion is false. Only Santosh has engaged in such distortions. Actually Santosh and Cornel and George and Vivek have been falsely classifying people who live an entire life of crime and evil as God-fearing. Then Elisabeth comes along and blythely re-classifies all evil as a dysfunction and further disqualifies all atheists and agnostics from being evil because they never agreed to be good in the first place by virtue of their rejection of God. To illustrate additional falsehoods in Santosh's assertions, none of the terms he has listed have been used loosely. Those who strenuously deny the frequent and public assertions by Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran that their objective is the destruction of Israel, are clearly anti-Semitic, given that the term Semite is widely used for Jews and not Arabs, some of whom are Semites. Those who strenuously oppose freedom and democracy for the Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq, in spite of the manifest desires of most of the population in those countries expressed through numerous elections, even under threat of death, are clearly haters of freedom and democracy. Those who oppose the war on the terrorists targeting innocent civilians in India, Indonesia, England, the US, Spain, Canada, Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan, are clearly terrorist sympathisers, because terrorists derive the moral support that is their life-blood from such opposition. If these shoes don't fit there is no need to wear them. The objections to these clearly descriptive terms indicates they fit some people very well. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The various opinions expressed under this thread have been very instructive. We have been able to witness some very good examples of squirming, straining and double-dealing. Mario observes: Believe me, your squirming, straining and double-dealing has not gone unnoticed. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
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Are people who cannot write a single paragraph on Goanet without abusing others god-fearing? Also, is being god-fearing considered to be opposite of being beneath contempt? Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
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Hi Mario You sure waste many people's time and to no avail. Your's is a voice in the wilderness with no credibility at all on virtually everything you have ever said on Goanet. When are you going to figure out this simple fact? Has it ever struck you that in the contemporary world, war is not a step to bring about peaceful resolutions to conflict and that the way to bring this about is primarily through diplomacy, however hard this may appear to be? War can only be of absolutely last resort and your favourite case of Iraq was not one of these by any stretch of the imagination. What Iraq showed was the serious lack of political judgement in the manifestation of American foreign policy. Sadly, it was supported by our poodle-- Blair. Has it ever struck you that the Arabs in the Middle East feel that they have been hard done by with the predominantly Western driven idea and reality of Israel? It is becoming increasingly clear that, they have no time for the UN creation of Israel even though I have been consistent about my wish to have a two state solution--Palestine and Israel. However, until now, Israel has never come clean, nor have you, about the return of all occupied territory as an article of faith to encourage negotiation. The current war is not really about the incursion of Hizbullha to capture two Israeli soldiers. It is much more about the assertion that Israel should get out of substantial occupied lands that it is actively colonising. For the first time, Israel has not found it easy to take on the enemy. Hizbullha has managed to win admiration in the Arab world through its determination and tenacity to take on Israel. Its success, even if limited, has serious implications for those Arab states that have had a cosy relationship with America. The possibility of a Caliphate in the Middle East is now greater than ever, thanks to contemporary American lack of understanding of the world outside its own horizon. Finally, time and demography is on the side of the Palestinian Arabs. Israel had better wake up to this reality and start genuine and honest negotiation urgently. However, if it wants to live in a prison of its own making it is welcome to try. But if it is not careful, as the colonial power that it is, it may well be on its way out whether we like it or not. Cornel PS Re your religious views, I think they are pretty dated and almost medieval. You do sound like consistently uttering the wisdom of Old Testament prophets! You are welcome to this but please stop trying to ram this into people who have moved on from your dinosaur's position where the grey cells appear to have become truly fossilised. - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
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Mogall Elisabeth ani Cornel, Goanet is good place for some basic amateur discussions. At some point, anyone seeking detailed answers, should go to experts rather than make Gabru, Pedru, Prabhu ani Milagrin, Ethelvin, Pravin an expert. Similarly, Goanet IMHO is not a forum for petoita murree.:=)) Because this leads to more petoita murree which one may or may not like. Now can you explain why several goaneters, including yourselves, use rare, exceptional, uncommon situations to make statements applying to the vast majority of normal events / situations? Do you honestly think Andrea Yates is the key to understanding Good and Evil. And what atheists and theists believe about Evil? Can you have one explanation of Evil for believers and another for non-believers? This is not an exception! Does Pol Pot's actions reflect on Buddhism and millions of its followers? Does the actions of Bush reflect the religion of Protestantism? Is Hitler the poster-child for one billion Catholics? Is Stalin the face of Orthodox Christianity? Does Osama Bin Laden represent Muslim religion? Does Taliban regime represent Muslim society or the two billion in traditional Asian societies? Can you help make sense of what we read from otherwise progressive Goans? Let me simplify it! For someone taking a walk through nature, a diseased tree or sick animal does not describe / characterize the behavior of the genus or species. If a mango tree does not bear fruit, does that mean mango trees do not bear mangoes? If a treatment does not work in 10% of cases, does that mean the doctor is bad, the treatment is a failure or the disease is incurable? Have I given you both and other readers enough misconceptions with examples? So using your question below, When are WE going to figure out this simple fact? There are always exceptions to the RULE. The exceptions DO NOT make the rule / norm. Except perhaps on Goanet. Rautam tujea borea respostak. Aum tujo goenkar bhau, Regards, GL PS: If you still do not have answers to the questions, perhaps dakto xapai Bosteaum (SSC appeared) from gaunswadi may help.:=)) --- cornel wrote: Hi Mario, You sure waste many people's time and to no avail. Your's is a voice in the wilderness with no credibility at all on virtually everything you have ever said on Goanet. When are you going to figure out this simple fact? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The various opinions expressed under this thread have been very instructive. We have been able to witness some very good examples of squirming, straining and double-dealing. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 05/08/06, cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goanetters, I think Santosh is making a very valid point that God-fearing people can, and do engage in horrendous evil. Osama bin Ladan is a perfect example, killing for his warped view of the love of his God-fearing maker, and the 'sacred' land of Saudi Arabia where Mohamed the prophet was born and lived. And so are the suicide bombers, wanting to get to heaven in double-quick time to meet the God they so fear and also love! So also were the Crusaders in earlier times... Comment: God fearing, in this day and age too! George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq' URL:- http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html and some more Tony Blair's announcement that he will henceforward account only to God for the Iraq war makes perfect sense. Every secular reason he has concocted for the catastrophe has turned out to be the reverse of the truth: there were no weapons of mass destruction, we are less safe from terrorism, the Iraqi people themselves do not want us in their country. No more of his excuses for this epic man-made disaster stand an earthly chance of being believed. URL:- http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/03/the_time_for_ac_1.html Now please, inform me that these, two leaders cannot really be 'God fearing' they should be clubbed with the 'inquisitors' the 'Islamo facists' the 'Hindutva brigade' the 'Hezbollah' the newly liberated 'Iraqi Shiites' , the 'Sunni Insurgents' and the 'Bubbas' inhabiting the Southern States of U.S.A as well as and not forgetting the Toledo, Ohio, clown. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Jose Colaco writes: Santosh Helejar wrote: A misconception that has just been propagated in this forum is that god-fearing people cannot be evil. This misconception can be easily refuted by giving several present-day examples of god-fearing people who are evil, or have committed evil acts. My dear Santoshbab, [deletia] A God-fearing person cannot be evil; If he is, he cannot be God-fearing. BTW: I am sure you will agree with me that Those who proclaim to be God fearing, may not really be what they proclaim to be. Jose, Allow SanTosh to put aside scientific cynicism aside for a moment. How else will he be able to make his case that God-fearing people can be evil? If someone commits acts of evil and claims to be God-fearing at once, it is the prerogative of every agnostic and atheist (scientist or otherwise) to accept such claims at face value. Please don't take the fun out of this argument! Very sincerely, Peter D'Souza ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is my belief that NO God fearing person will NEVER commit violence against another ... except in self-defence. And ... there are specific guidelines to determine what Self Defence really means. Dear Josebab, Sarcasm aside, you make a good point. Slippery definitions can be conveniently invoked for words such as god-fearing, anti-semite, terrorist sympathizer, hater of freedom and democracy, etc. A swami, a mullah or a priest who is defined as god-fearing one moment can be conveniently re-defined as godless the moment he commits a crime. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I know of a so called God fearing Catholic Woman, who attends prayer meetings and is an Eucharistic Minister. This woman thinks nothing of short changing and other dubious acts. I suppose she thinks that if she goes to Confession or says a prayer all is forgiven. Can anyone STOP this so called God fearing Catholic Woman to forgive herself? Is it NOT her own free-will to forgive herself? Is it not, whether forgiveness come from you, others or God is completely another matter? The need to forgive self and others comes only when one opens a negative account. And, the moment one settles this negative account by forgiving or by any other ways then one can set himself/herself free. The billion dollar question is: Are human beings NOT capable to STOP on time opening these negative accounts in the first place? Can anyone share his/her experience (NOT views) on this matter? Just a thought! Cip -Original Message- Gabe Menezes wrote on 04 August 2006 22:07 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples RESPONSE: I have kept away from this. I know of a so called God fearing Catholic Woman, who attends prayer meetings and is an Eucharistic Minister. This woman thinks nothing of short changing and other dubious acts. I suppose she thinks that if she goes to Confession or says a prayer all is forgiven. Not only in the Christian Religion but Common and Natural Law requires that restitution be made!! I do hope that all who support this woman, are also mindful that their actions only propogate and further the evil. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Perhaps what Santosh is trying to say is that many if not most of the so called God fearing individuals are what as Jesus would refer to as being today's Pharasies. Since one is free to widely interpret and practise one's religion (like Mario's Cafeteria Catholism which allows him the freedom to believe that the Vatican was allied with Islamic terrorists!!), the defintion of what can be construed as a sin is itself open to debate. To some, thou shall not kill is a pretty definative statement. To many so called God fearing individuals killing is acceptable under a wide swath of options ranging from the Nazi genocide of the Jews to saving the life of stem cells at the expense of the lives of fully functional human beings. The same could also be said about non god fearing individuals. Being religious or not religious is not a sufficient criteria for being moral. If we could agree on a broad definition of morality and place people within this bell curve of morality, I suspect both the religious and non religious people would have their morality curves overlap each other - basically no difference. Humans are overly complex people to be categorized based on a single parameter. Marlon --- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jose Colaco writes: Santosh Helejar wrote: A misconception that has just been propagated in this forum is that god-fearing people cannot be evil. This misconception can be easily refuted by giving several present-day examples of god-fearing people who are evil, or have committed evil acts. My dear Santoshbab, [deletia] A God-fearing person cannot be evil; If he is, he cannot be God-fearing. BTW: I am sure you will agree with me that Those who proclaim to be God fearing, may not really be what they proclaim to be. Jose, Allow SanTosh to put aside scientific cynicism aside for a moment. How else will he be able to make his case that God-fearing people can be evil? If someone commits acts of evil and claims to be God-fearing at once, it is the prerogative of every agnostic and atheist (scientist or otherwise) to accept such claims at face value. Please don't take the fun out of this argument! Very sincerely, Peter D'Souza ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A misconception that has just been propagated in this forum is that god-fearing people cannot be evil. This misconception can be easily refuted by giving several present-day examples of god-fearing people who are evil, or have committed evil acts. One such example is Osama Bin Ladin. Mario responds: Unfortunately for Santosh's continuing attempts to propagate religious misconceptions, Osama Bin Laden turned out to be anything but God-fearing. Anyone who follows current events would know that Osama does not fear his God. In fact, he claims to represent his God, that he is doing his God's bidding, that he is destined to go to heaven by doing so. REAL God-fearing Muslims that do follow Islam's moral code consider Osama to be a heretic who has distorted their religion beyond any recognition. By normal standards Osama would be classified as a delusional homicidal and suicidal psychopath. In the meantime, history is replete with evil Godless tyrants who routinely massacred millions of their own people simply for their political opposition, and deprived them of any humanity, personal property and personal freedoms. Two of these remain in power, Kim Jung Il of N. Korea and Fidel Castro of Cuba. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 05/08/06, Goa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know of a so called God fearing Catholic Woman, who attends prayer meetings and is an Eucharistic Minister. This woman thinks nothing of short changing and other dubious acts. I suppose she thinks that if she goes to Confession or says a prayer all is forgiven. Can anyone STOP this so called God fearing Catholic Woman to forgive herself? Is it NOT her own free-will to forgive herself? Is it not, whether forgiveness come from you, others or God is completely another matter? The need to forgive self and others comes only when one opens a negative account. And, the moment one settles this negative account by forgiving or by any other ways then one can set himself/herself free. The billion dollar question is: Are human beings NOT capable to STOP on time opening these negative accounts in the first place? Can anyone share his/her experience (NOT views) on this matter? Just a thought! Cip RESPONSE: One can continuously be sorry after the fact, then onwards tally ho, to the next despicable act...and so on and on? We are again then drawn, to the the so called Moral compass; one either has it or has not! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goanetters, I think Santosh is making a very valid point that God-fearing people can, and do engage in horrendous evil. Osama bin Ladan is a perfect example, killing for his warped view of the love of his God-fearing maker, and the 'sacred' land of Saudi Arabia where Mohamed the prophet was born and lived. And so are the suicide bombers, wanting to get to heaven in double-quick time to meet the God they so fear and also love! So also were the Crusaders in earlier times. Other examples are the Ku Klax Klan, some among the Boers in apartheid South Africa and even Hitler. The first two definitely drew highly selectively from the Bible to support their warped arguments about their right to demonise and eliminate 'lower' groups. Hitler in turn, drew his bizarre inspiration from his God-fearing sense of Christ's unfinished business of eliminating the Jews. These guys were thoroughly mistaken but they were most certainly frighteningly God fearing! There is no oxymoron in this assertion at all. The oxymoron suggested by JC reminds me of a good friend of mine who when hearing that someone was divorcing a women whom he had loved desperately before, claimed that the bloke had not really ever loved her in the first place. Fortunately life's experience has helped my friend to change his mind about his daft previous oxymoron. In some respect this is also like the Catholic Church rejecting the concept of divorce but happy to be instrumental about (sometimes after years of marriage, children etc) the mind-boggling concept of annulment, especially assured to the rich, famous and powerful. Cornel - Original Message - From: Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples Santosh Helejar wrote: A misconception that has just been propagated in this forum is that god-fearing people cannot be evil. This misconception can be easily refuted by giving several present-day examples of god-fearing people who are evil, or have committed evil acts. My dear Santoshbab, I submit to you that the term An Evil God Fearing Person is an oxymoron. A God-fearing person cannot be evil; If he is, he cannot be God-fearing. CORNEL: It is precisely because some guys are obsesively God-fearing that they can engage in horrendous evil. Why are some on Goanet so confused about this point? I believe that those who are not God Fearing, have a higher propensity of being evil. Cornel: obviously, the ultra devout Catholic Mafioso who definitely claim to be God-fearing, do not come into the frame for pure convenience! It is my belief that NO God fearing person will NEVER [Cornel: I am sure ever was meant and that this is a typo] commit violence against another ... except in self-defence. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 04/08/06, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A misconception that has just been propagated in this forum is that god-fearing people cannot be evil. This misconception can be easily refuted by giving several present-day examples of god-fearing people who are evil, or have committed evil acts. One such example is Osama Bin Ladin. Cheers, Santosh RESPONSE: I have kept away from this. I know of a so called God fearing Catholic Woman, who attends prayer meetings and is an Eucharistic Minister. This woman thinks nothing of short changing and other dubious acts. I suppose she thinks that if she goes to Confession or says a prayer all is forgiven. Not only in the Christian Religion but Common and Natural Law requires that restitution be made!! I do hope that all who support this woman, are also mindful that their actions only propogate and further the evil. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
