[Goanet] Bollywood should stop insulting Goans
While some of the Goan creative intellectuals (residents and non-residents) argued and even labelled Goan protester as extremists elements for protesting , the official spokesperson for Sippy's have this to say. We were made aware that some women's organisations had complained about a dialogue in our film's trailers, which they found offensive to women. As responsible filmmakers, we have changed the same to address their concerns. This was not the only controversy surrounding Dum Maro Dum, Mr Shippy has unethically remixed the hugely popular song (from Hare Krishna Hare Ram, 1971) without the original artist permission by circumventing copyright laws. http://www.hindustantimes.com/Dum-Maaro-Dum-row-Objectionable-dialogue-removed/Article1-684150.aspx http://www.hindustantimes.com/Dev-Anand-slams-the-revamped-Dum-Maro-Dum/Article1-667083.aspx I wonder if the creative intellectuals be it, writers, painters, actors, etc live on a different planet hence deserve preferential laws to protect their work. Rgds, Agnelo
[Goanet] Bollywood should stop insulting Goans
J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com, writes: While a 'class action suit' is hardly the way to approach this issue, it is possible that Marlon and Selma are right on this matter. Both Marlon (in the US) and Selma (in the UK) are allowed (it appears) under their rights to 'freedom of speech' to call Afro-Brits and Afro-Americans .niggers in public. Will they please confirm? It appears that J. Colaco wants to take on the role of an apologist for Bollywood, perhaps unintentionally. Please look at the quote below from the draft anti-defamation bill at the Ministry of Justice in the UK. But freedom of speech does not mean that people should be able to ride roughshod over the reputations of others, and our defamation laws must therefore strike the right balance – between protection of freedom of speech on the one hand and protection of reputation on the other. The entire doc. can be found at http://www.justice.gov.uk/consultations/docs/draft-defamation-bill-consultation.pdf J. Colaco further indicates that he is well aware of the problem: The fact is that Goans (esp Goan women) have been needlessly, unfairly and ignorantly slandered and cast in derogatory light by Bollywood and the Indian media.ever since I can remember. and provides his solution (not even a slap on the wrist): Bollywood please stay in Bollywood. Goa is a fictional place. Do not come there. Enough is enough. Comment: Wishful thinking sometimes works. But in this case an irreversible corrective action is called for, one that will remedy the pain inflicted and deter further abuses.
[Goanet] Bollywood Should Stop Insulting Goans
Aph ka aurath koh randi bathyegha to apkoh kaisa lagegah. Lekhin aph ka aurath ko Obama ka protection miltha hai. America mein majbut protection groups hai. Bharat mein democracy aur kuch bih nahin hai - aisa free for all bol saktah hai. BC So how ironic then, that, in this unfolding drama, Angelo wishes to take the role of a male hero who swoops in and rescues weak and powerless women who are stuck in their kitchens (or bedrooms) and unable to act on their own. This issue is not about the right of groups to protest a movie, but rather whether extremist elements within society have the right to muzzle free speech or the right to freely conduct business by attempting to ban such activities. Nor do we need male vigilantes and bigots (like Bernard Colaco) to protect Goan culture and their women. Marlon
[Goanet] Bollywood Should Stop Insulting Goans
Marlon writes: This issue is not about the right of groups to protest a movie, but rather whether extremist elements within society have the right to muzzle free speech or the right to freely conduct business by attempting to ban such activities. A class action lawsuit would determine soon enough who has the most rights: the exploiters or the exploited. Not sure if this remedy is available in Goa.
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[1] Marlon writes: This issue is not about the right of groups to protest a movie, but rather whether extremist elements within society have the right to muzzle free speech or the right to freely conduct business by attempting to ban such activities. [2] E DeSousa ejd...@att.net wrote: A class action lawsuit would determine soon enough who has the most rights: the exploiters or the exploited. Not sure if this remedy is available in Goa. COMMENT: While a 'class action suit' is hardly the way to approach this issue, it is possible that Marlon and Selma are right on this matter. Both Marlon (in the US) and Selma (in the UK) are allowed (it appears) under their rights to 'freedom of speech' to call Afro-Brits and Afro-Americans .niggers in public. Will they please confirm? I hope that they will not be claiming next that 'child pornography' is an art which should also be protected under 'free speech'. The fact is that Goans (esp Goan women) have been needlessly, unfairly and ignorantly slandered and cast in derogatory light by Bollywood and the Indian media.ever since I can remember. The icing on the cake is that these same Bollywood jokers come to Goa and carry on .very appropriately (do they not?) and then blame Goan women! Perhaps, they do not know what the word Goan means! As one joker connected with the film reportedly said recently (I paraphrase): Goa is a fictional item. Later about that. But .for now .I would like to ask when Marlon and Selma exercised their freedom of speech on the matter I have placed above. Bollywood please stay in Bollywood. Goa is a fictional place. Do not come there. Enough is enough. jc
[Goanet] Bollywood Should Stop Insulting Goans
Response to Selma's response to Freddys comment: Hope Selma is not suggesting that in a democracy the only recourse available to the aggrieved and misrepresented is to roll over and die, or perform the proverbial turn the other cheek... Subject: [Goanet] Bollywood Should Stop Insulting Goans Message-ID: 715452.26179...@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Freddy Fernandes wrote: Over here liquor is cheap but women are cheaper this disgustingly unethical summation would be insulting and derogatory to all the women of any locality referred to and should be by all means. When entertainment becomes irrational it becomes the cause of fury and anger, especially when the whole community is targeted, made fun off and offended. The whole world knows that we Goans are peace loving and hospital people but that does not give anyone the right to assume anything irrational about Goans. We ourselves are not irrational people and there is a limit to the irrationality that we can take. Response: In a democracy, freedom of speech is sacrosanct.? No government has the right to meddle in an art form or an artistic interpretation of life. If we don't understand that basic principle, we don't deserve democracies. We need more thought and less jingoism in India. ?Best, selma
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Bernado Colaco wrote: -The post below makes funni reading. Because one has democracy one can fire any crap. I have not seen the movie but I wonder how much art form is being portrayed besides being insulting and derogatory to Goans. BC - Response: Why does that not surprise me? BC afterall has made it his national pastime to comment on books without reading them and films without viewing them. Insulting and derogatory to Goans? Says who? If I were to make a list of the movies which portray Bombay as a hub for smuggling, it would take me the whole day. If I were to make a list of the variation of the line here liquor is cheap and the women are cheaper it would probably take me two days. Its just a filmy glib line which would suit any hick town or metropolis in India. The Goa Government seems to care a lot about a film which might destroy their tourist revenue but they don't care enough to have the drug nexus investigated by the CBI. They seem to care a lot about the portrayal of women in movies and yet when women are raped in Goa, the government immediately blames women (remember the famous line we have never seen women like this by our Tourism Department official?) and enacts laws which further trample on their individual freedoms. Incidentally, while the bikini is banned in Goa, reportedly, it is worn by the women (one Russian amongst them) hired to do a tourism industry promo for Goa. So whatever happened to protecting women's modesty? This is hypocrisy of the worst sorts. You can't have it both ways. Cry freedom of speech when the RSS and Shiv Shena want to trample on our rights and insist on censoring the art and literary world, and then demand censorship when something bothers us. Democracy demands of us that we uphold its principlse even when it is odious to do so. We as Goans don't have the luxury of being adolescents in perpetuity. We had better grow up and grow up fast if we are to truly create a democracy. Otherwise, we are wandering in the dark, demanding change in others and unwilling to change ourselves. Best, Selma
[Goanet] Bollywood Should Stop Insulting Goans
Selma Wrote: In a democracy, freedom of speech is sacrosanct.? No government has the right to meddle in an art form or an artistic interpretation of life. If we don't understand that basic principle, we don't deserve democracies. We need more thought and less jingoism in India. Response: Selma, lets not colour everything in artist form. Today, Art and literature has become more about money and less of Art and literature. Dum Maro Dum is not a documentary movie which highlights the evils of society rather a commercial film which is made to make money out of social evil.It is important that Goans wake and protest to derogatory remarks as it is related Goan Women. Goa tourism is not all about sun sand and sex. Besides, it is more important we respect our sisters, mothers and daughters. We Men are nothing without women. Stop treating women as slaves at home and outside. Women role goes far beyond KITCHEN and BEDROOM. Regards, Agnelo Pinheiro
[Goanet] Bollywood Should Stop Insulting Goans
More tosh in our way. BC - Response: Why does that not surprise me? BC afterall has made it his national pastime to comment on books without reading them and films without viewing them. ? Insulting and derogatory to Goans??Says who? If I were to make a list of the movies which portray Bombay as a hub for smuggling, it would take me the whole day. If I were to make a list of?the variation of the line here liquor is cheap and the women are cheaper it would probably take me two days. Its just a filmy glib line which would suit any hick town or metropolis in India. ?
[Goanet] (Goanet) Bollywood should stop insulting Goans
In India do they have a Board of Film censors like in U.K? Any offending material either on T. V. or film is censored if it contains depiction of racism,nudism or foul language. and any other offending material. The way I see it in India any thing goes. Regards Ignatius Fernandes
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So how ironic then, that, in this unfolding drama, Angelo wishes to take the role of a male hero who swoops in and rescues weak and powerless women who are stuck in their kitchens (or bedrooms) and unable to act on their own. This issue is not about the right of groups to protest a movie, but rather whether extremist elements within society have the right to muzzle free speech or the right to freely conduct business by attempting to ban such activities. Nor do we need male vigilantes and bigots (like Bernard Colaco) to protect Goan culture and their women. Marlon From: pinheiro gift.pinhe...@gmail.com Response: Selma, lets not colour everything in artist form. Today, Art and literature has become more about money and less of Art and literature. Dum Maro Dum is not a documentary movie which highlights the evils of society rather a commercial film which is made to make money out of social evil.It is important that Goans wake and protest to derogatory remarks as it is related Goan Women. Goa tourism is not all about sun sand and sex. Besides, it is more important we respect our sisters, mothers and daughters. We Men are nothing without women. Stop treating women as slaves at home and outside. Women role goes far beyond KITCHEN and BEDROOM. Regards, Agnelo Pinheiro
[Goanet] Bollywood Should Stop Insulting Goans
Bollywood Should Stop Insulting Goans Over here liquor is cheap but women are cheaper this disgustingly unethical summation would be insulting and derogatory to all the women of any locality referred to and should be by all means. When entertainment becomes irrational it becomes the cause of fury and anger, especially when the whole community is targeted, made fun off and offended. The whole world knows that we Goans are peace loving and hospital people but that does not give anyone the right to assume anything irrational about Goans. We ourselves are not irrational people and there is a limit to the irrationality that we can take. Goa has been the hub for Bollywood films and advertisement shoots for ages, Goans have been shown in poor or bad light in many a Bollywood films, but Goans have remained reticent and ignored such presentations but this particular statement has taken the cake and just cannot and should not be taken lightly or ignored. All of Bollywood is crazy about Goa and want to be in sync with Goa, they come, have fun, enjoy and then make fun of and insult Goans ? We Goans have our self respect and are a respected lot all over the world and are not be deemed fit for ridicule by Bollywood or anybody else for that matter. Yes, our culture, traditions and our very way of life may not be in sync with the rest of India, we are a different lot and are proud of it. Liquor may be cheap but our women are definitely not cheap, all our politicians may be crap and corrupt but we the people of Goa are educated, we are honest and we are ethical and should not be portrayed otherwise. I request the Goa government to warn film makers not to be derogatory and insulting to Goans or else the people themselves will take law into their own hands when there is a next film shoot anywhere in Goa, because we Goans too know how to de gumake ! Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system.
[Goanet] Bollywood Should Stop Insulting Goans
Freddy Fernandes wrote: Over here liquor is cheap but women are cheaper this disgustingly unethical summation would be insulting and derogatory to all the women of any locality referred to and should be by all means. When entertainment becomes irrational it becomes the cause of fury and anger, especially when the whole community is targeted, made fun off and offended. The whole world knows that we Goans are peace loving and hospital people but that does not give anyone the right to assume anything irrational about Goans. We ourselves are not irrational people and there is a limit to the irrationality that we can take. Response: In a democracy, freedom of speech is sacrosanct. No government has the right to meddle in an art form or an artistic interpretation of life. If we don't understand that basic principle, we don't deserve democracies. We need more thought and less jingoism in India. Best, selma
[Goanet] Bollywood Should Stop Insulting Goans
-The post below makes funni reading. Because one has democracy one can fire any crap. I have not seen the movie but I wonder how much art form is being portrayed besides being insulting and derogatory to Goans. BC --- Response: In a democracy, freedom of speech is sacrosanct.? No government has the right to meddle in an art form or an artistic interpretation of life. If we don't understand that basic principle, we don't deserve democracies. We need more thought and less jingoism in India. ?Best, selma === Freddy Fernandes wrote: Over here liquor is cheap but women are cheaper this disgustingly unethical summation would be insulting and derogatory to all the women of any locality referred to and should be by all means. When entertainment becomes irrational it becomes the cause of fury and anger, especially when the whole community is targeted, made fun off and offended. The whole world knows that we Goans are peace loving and hospital people but that does not give anyone the right to assume anything irrational about Goans. We ourselves are not irrational people and there is a limit to the irrationality that we can take.
