Re: [Goanet] World War II German presence in Goa
--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Vivian A. DSouza socorro...@yahoo.com wrote: As a 7 year old in 1947, our family had travelled by ship from East Africa to Mormugoa, Goa. As the ship entered the harbor, there were several ship masts sticking out of the water, obviously of sunken ships. Later I was given to understand that these were German ships that had gathered in Mormugoa for safe harbor to avoid being torpedoed if they ventured out to sea, and that at the end of World War II the Germans had deliberately scuttled their ships rather than allow them to fall into British hands. --- Not likely Vivian, as the Seawolves incident took place at the beginning of the war. Could you have got the dates wrong? best, Selma
[Goanet] Remembrance for Road Traffic Victims:Statement by the World Health Organisation
--- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help CONSUMERS in Goa to be better informed. -- --- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC) Email: goad...@bsnl.in --- World Day of Remembrance for Road Traffic Victims 15 November 2009 Statement by WHO Director of the Department of Violence and Injury Prevention and Disability Today on this World Day of Remembrance for Road Traffic Victims, we at the World Health Organization once again turn our thoughts to the millions who have lost loved ones on the world's roads this year. Every day the media bring us news of tragic events - passengers of a bus killed in Costa Rica or India, motorcyclists killed in France or Malaysia, pedestrians killed in Egypt or Tanzania. Behind each of these incidents are a grieving family and friends, whose lives are forever changed. During this past year WHO has reached out to many of you who have turned your personal tragedies into a personal mission, ensuring that victims are better supported and that road safety is improved. We value the work that you do. From Global Remembrance to Global Action - this year's World Day of Remembrance theme - suits the occasion, as this has been a year of milestone events in road safety. In May we were honoured to personally meet with representatives of more than 70 associations in Brussels for the first Global Meeting of NGOs Advocating for Road Victims and Road Safety. We were awed by the depth of their commitment and by their rightful demands for action. The collective statement to governments which was prepared should serve as a powerful advocacy tool. We were also pleased to release in June the Global status report on road safety, which allows countries to compare their road safety efforts with those of their neighbours. The report reminded us that not enough is done to protect those who are most vulnerable. It also confirmed that few countries have comprehensive road safety laws which are well enforced. I encourage you all to make use of this report in your advocacy work. In a few days, more than 1000 people - ministers of transport, health and interior; officials from UN and other international agencies; and representatives of nongovernmental organizations, the private sector and foundations - will convene in Moscow for the First Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety. This is a unique opportunity to increase visibility and engagement. We hope that this Conference will result in a call for a much needed Decade of Action for Road Safety. We hope also that the voices of victims and their families will be heard loud and clear. We wish you a successful World Day of Remembrance. Dr Etienne Krug WHO Director of the Department of Violence and Injury Prevention and Disability http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/media/news/2009/15_11_2009/en/index.html GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mail: goa...@bsnl.in Visit: http://goacan.blogspot.com --
[Goanet] Band contacts
Hi All, Can anyone kindly let me know the phone number of AGNELO D'Costa and Lawrie of the band - L'ACE. Also, a freelance singer, willing to dust off the rust after years of inactivity, especializing in old time hits available. Please contact 982 218 4371 Thanks and cheers Agnelo The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it
Will someone who resides in india please 'faceoff' on this rather ridiculous comment and essay: it patently distorts the real situation on the ground in today's India. eric. LET’S FACE IT By: Bennet Paes Assolna, Goa. - - - - - Before the British arrived, the so-called India was only a bunch of princely states, each one with a language of its own. To-day, the language that realistically binds them all is English – not Hindi, or any other. In my opinion the best solution to the issue of languages in schools in India should be this: let each State make English as a compulsory medium of instruction, with either Hindi or the mother tongue of that State as optional. Tall order? No, even the slum-dwellers’ parents now want their children to be educated in English, because that’s the route Danny Boyle opened up to them to become millionaires. And that’s the writing on the wall. English is the official language of over 50 sovereign nations of the world, and is either compulsory second language or spoken predominantly in almost all the rest. Americans speak English in their own accent, quite distinct from the British. So do the Australians, Canadians, Ugandans, Jamaicans, etc. That’s on all the six continents of the world. So Indians can do the same, as millions are already doing it now, and be a part of what is today a ‘global village’. Remember, perhaps the only edge we have over rival China, is our literacy in English language which prompts overseas corporations to unload some of their valuable work over here and help boost our economy. Imagine what heights the Indian genius could take us to, if we became another English literate nation on the planet. And here’s an irony - The British, they say, left India divided. But it’s their language that leaves us united and prospering, too. Think about it! Footnote: What’s in an oath? Whether in Marathi or Mandarin, our Politicians would not abide by it, anyway. - The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] Congratulations Frederick
- Original Message - I join Silviano in congratulating Fred on the release of his new book 'Another Goa' and wish him all success. Fausto Silviano wrote: Hello Frederick, From the beautiful cover of your book, one can easily deduce that you are going to present the reader with a picture of Goa that is completely different than the expected commercial tourist- appealing image of Goa. The cute little smiling boy with a motor-cycle tire around his neck with a beautiful green rice field and coconut plantation in the background is truly nostalgic of Another Goa. I wish you all the best in your latest endeavour and I hope it brings you a well-deserved outstanding success. Cheers ***
[Goanet] Goa on brink of facing one more cyclone
Goa on brink of facing one more cyclone HERALD REPORTER PANJIM, NOV 14 Days after the cyclone Phyan ravaged the Goan coastline claiming 68 lives, Goa now stands on the brink of facing another cyclone building up in south east of Kerala. According to officials in the Indian Meteorological Observatory there is a low pressure building up in the Arabian Sea south east of Kerala, which could hit isolated areas in Goa. However, the State unit of the IMO had no information on the new system developing. We have no information as of now, Meteorologist KV Singh told Herald. Singh was quick to add though that a system is building up though in the Arabian Sea. A clear picture could come out in the next 48 hours, he said. Asked about the reason for the rains today, Singh said, There is a trough in the Arabian sea to Rajasthan and low pressure in Comorine area in Bay of Bengal. There is a forecast that there will be moderate to rather heavy rainfall in next 24 hours, he said. To a query the officer however said that there is no warning issued to fisherman as yet. Goa experienced heavy rains with thunder storm this evening. Many areas in the capital city were without power. http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=29969cid=10 ~(^^)~ Avelino
[Goanet] The Forgotten Tribe - MHAR - PART 12
THE FORGOTTEN TRIBE - MHAR - PART 12 COOKS WAITERS Today, a contract is given to a caterer to provide the required food items for a wedding, which are transported to the wedding hall and served to the crowd by the caterers waiters waitresses. In days gone by, people did not order catering from outside; they hired a cook, who prepared all the required food at home. Dishes were prepared in a randpacho mattov (cooking shed), which was arranged behind or adjacent to the house from where they served dishes to the crowd in the mattov by forming a human chain of helpers - boys/men, girls/women and children. We had the famous Diogo João cook from Parra village at the time, who was one of the best cooks in the whole of Bardez. He and his helpers/waiters belonged to the Mhar community. He was the cook of the masses - except bhattkars! He prepared the following items and served them at weddings: As soon as the first dance was over, Letri ani olive ghalun gaiechea haddancho sop (beef-bone soup with macaroni alphabets and olives) was served in a soup plate. Although a spoon was provided, many people preferred to drink soup directly from the plate as if they ate kunji (soft rice) in a vattli (brass plate.) After the third dance was over, a cheese plate containing one each of beef-roast sandwich, pork-roast sandwich, chutney sandwich, a croquette and a chicken patty were served. If a spoon or fork or a dry item like croquette or patty fell down, it was simply picked up from the ground and placed back in the plate; even if somebody saw, it didnt matter. What mattered was the service; without missing anyone. Children then never threw away anything that fell down; we just picked it up, blessed and ate it. After the fifth dance was over, chicken ixttuv (stew) followed by pork sausage pulau with kismis (raisins) was served. Although a fork was provided, most people preferred to eat the pulau with hand, just as they ate the rice at home. The basmati rice used then was so good that the moment it was cooked, its aroma filled the whole house as well as the mattov and beyond! During the Portuguese rule, the best basmati rice came from Pakistan. Diogo Joaos every dish was delicious but his specialty was ixttuv! People just loved it! As soon as the last dance was over, Bebinca and black coffee was served in a chikr-pir (cup-n-saucer.) A cup of black coffee early in the morning was fantastic, especially if one had too many rounds of drinks. Diogo João Chef also gave crockery on hire. His waiters went around with a wooden tray containing wine cups with pedestals embossed with beautiful grape designs, which were filled with red wine. The bridal couple was given one large glass each. They cut the cake followed by the saud (toast), which was raised mostly by a parish priest or by any other dignitary/educated person from the area. The toast was mostly raised in Konkani but well-to-do people, including bhattkars, had it in Portuguese. A local singer would come on the stage and offer to sing a saudichem kantar (a toast song) in the traditional Goan manner. How can we despise the Mhar community when they have exuded wonderful dishes for our celebrations? CHURCH COOKS As I mentioned earlier, nobody was ready to share a meal with a Mhar. Not only that, nobody would eat anything prepared by a Mhar. Until the beginning of the last century, priests in Goa came from two main communities/castes Brahmin and Charddo. Both castes were well off. A poor man was not considered for priesthood, even if he wished. It was only towards the middle of the last century that boys from poor and middle class families joined seminaries and became priests. Although the Mhar community members were experts in cooking food, priests who mostly came from the above-mentioned two castes were reluctant to employ them as cooks. By the second quarter of the last century many Goan cooks shifted to greener pastures in other parts of India as well as the Gulf, thus creating a vacuum of cooks in Goa. This is when the priests in Churches hired cooks from the Mhar community. As a matter of fact, they were over-utilized i.e., they were made to do all Church-related work, including pealing of the bells, digging of graves, and in addition they were required to cook for the priests minimum three members parish priest and two curates. Sometimes, a Church had five or more priests parish priest and four-five curates, plus guest priests. Speaking of food, we had an obese parish priest in our Church in the mid 1950s, Fr. Caetano José Orneias de Sta Rita Colaço from Curtorim. He was so fat that he had difficulty in entering the palanquin, which is why the pede always cursed him, and so did the kuzner (cook), who belonged to the Mhar community, because he was asked to cook a variety of dishes throughout the day. Most priests then served the parish on foot
[Goanet] Azulejos
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[Goanet] Church in India Guilty for Miserable condition of Dalit Christians
Poor Christian Liberation Movement (PCLM) Office:- IIIA/145, Rachana, Vashali – 201010 (NCR) India Telefax 0120, 4569139 Cell. 9810108046 Email:-francisp...@yahoo.comemail%3a-francisp...@yahoo.com www.Dalitchristian.com http://www.dalitchristian.com/ * * * * * * *PRESS RELEASE*** * * *Church in India Guilty for Miserable condition of Dalit Christians*** *New Delhi, November 15, 2009:** *In view of the forthcoming winter session of Parliament several church organizations are planning to held a demonstration at the Jantar Mantar on 19 th November . While agreeing with the broader objectives the Poor Christian Liberation Movement is of the opinion that the Church authorities in India have not done justice to the marginalised Christians. The “Poor Christian Liberation Movement” PCLM President RL Francis stated that several Dalits have embraced Christianity for better and equal treatment but the despite conversion their conditions have not changed. The Dalit Christians are still victims of discrimination with in the Church. The PCLM pointed out that Dalits or the socially underprivileged questions the church leadership for demanding special treatment for them they are treated badly Stating that Dalit Christians accounted for nearly 70 percent of India ’s Christian population, the PCLM, a Christian organization, accused high caste Christians of exploiting them. The church leadership ‘exploit the poverty and unemployment” among the Dalits to convert them to Christianity. The Church bodies are demanding reservation from the Government but in their own institutions are neglecting and ill treating the Christians of Dalit background. Some all India Christian leaders are minting money from abroad in the name of demonstrations etc. “Let the Church in India make 50 % job reservation for Dalit Christians in their institutions and then go to government for relief” said the PCLM President R L Francis in a press statement. “But despite a wide network of (Christian) missionary schools and colleges, most of Dalit Christians are illiterate and living in utter poverty because the convent schools are busy catering to the educational needs of rich and high caste people”, the statement further mentioned. Same is the case with job opportunities and entrepreneurship development. Dalit Christians are being denied all these facilities while the church leadership continues to flourish by usurping vast foreign funding and real estate resources, Francis charged. *Issued by:* *P B Lomeo * * General Secretary – PCLM editor Christian Post* * *
Re: [Goanet] German subs in Goa
Re Article by Elizabeth Carvalho, Bosco 'D', Cornel da Costa, Merwyn Maciel, and Merwyn Lobo, I have a tale to recount of my first trip to Afric, as a eleven year old, through the Uboat infested Indian Ocean. My dad came to Goa in around Dec 1941 from Rhodesia and prepared us to take with him to that land-locked country. We set sail on a Portuguese boat Joao Belo. late May 1943. As a ship of a neutral nation the 'JB' sailed with lights fully ablaze with the focus on the spotlighted Portuguese flag fluttering in the wind. This not not deter the Uboats that checked on us a few days nights later. After two days at sea around midnight, the ship stopped. I was woken up by this lull and through the porthole I observed a surfaced Uboat on the side. They did not have any lights on, but there was ample lighting from the 'JB' to identify the Uboat. A little later another Uboat surfaced a bit further on. When I asked my mother what was going on, she merely told me to go to sleep. Nevertheless I watched the proceedings. After quite a while a boarding party came on to our ship and 'Joao Belo' was identified as a Portuguese vessel and were allowed to proceed. Simultaneously the two Uboats submerged. Looking back that was a close encounter I thought. All the British shipping had strict oders not to have any visible lights anywhere on board at night and even cigarettes were prohibited in deck areas. A few days days we arrived in the port of Mocambique and a day later in Beira, where we disembarked enroute to Rhodesia. The ship from there on, proceeded to Portugal after Lourenco Marques around the Cape Con Menezes
Re: [Goanet] Sub: Solutions to avoid fraud at Grass Roots by Agostinho Proenca
Congratulations to the Calangute Gram Sabha is in order. This is the No1 No2 Steps in the Right direction to save the much talked about GOAN IDENTITY. Calangute Constituency is the pilot case and should be followed by Cumbarjua Constituency where migrants are loaded onto the electoral rolls like unwanted fish in the fish market. Cheers floriano goasuraj. 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org
[Goanet] World War II German presence in Goa
It was the German U Boats which were sinking the Brit Merchant Navy. Prof. Val as placed a good account of the events but forgets to mention that Robert Hepp of the famous VW car sales and repair in Mira Mar was also a spy and clearly was helping the Deutuchlanders. BC
Re: [Goanet] Release of Another Goa (Margao, Monday, Nov 16, 2009)
Congratulations on the book Fredrick. It looks really interesting. Wish I could be there for the book launch. P. Sainath was a journalism teacher and a dear friend. All the best. Regards, Abigail
Re: [Goanet] World War II German presence in Goa
Dear Vivian, The German ships raced into Mormugao harbour to avoid being captured by the British naval forces, not to avoid being torpedoed by them! Far from torpedoing them, the British would gladly have used them to replace some of their own ships that were lost to the German submarines in the area. The British raid on one of the ships in the Zuari took place on March 9, 1943, and not at the beginning of the war, as Selma stated (the war began in 1939). So the masts of the sunken ships you saw in 1947 were indeed the masts of those ships. But only one, the Ehrenfels, had been attacked by the British raiders; the others were scuttled by their own crews out of fear that they too were about to be attacked. In the early 1990s I met several times with the German sailor turned watchmaker who set up shop in Panjim, and tried to persuade him to write his memoirs, but he had no interest in doing so. A pity, because he would have had much to tell! Regards, Victor --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] World War II German presence in Goa To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 3:16 AM --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Vivian A. DSouza socorro...@yahoo.com wrote: As a 7 year old in 1947, our family had travelled by ship from East Africa to Mormugoa, Goa. As the ship entered the harbor, there were several ship masts sticking out of the water, obviously of sunken ships. Later I was given to understand that these were German ships that had gathered in Mormugoa for safe harbor to avoid being torpedoed if they ventured out to sea, and that at the end of World War II the Germans had deliberately scuttled their ships rather than allow them to fall into British hands. --- Not likely Vivian, as the Seawolves incident took place at the beginning of the war. Could you have got the dates wrong? best, Selma
[Goanet] World War II German presence in Goa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sea_Wolves The Book: The film is based on the book *Boarding Party* by James Leasor, which itself is based on a real incident which took place in the Second World Warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World_War . Plot During World War II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II, Germanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanysubmarines are sinking thousands of tons of British http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom merchanthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchantshipping. British intelligence, based in India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India, believe information is being passed to the U-Boats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Boat by a radio transmitter hidden on board one of three German ships internedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internmentin Portuguese http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal Goa. Since Portugal is neutral, the ships cannot be attacked by conventional forces. British intelligence approach a territorialhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Army_%28United_Kingdom%29unit of ageing British expatriates to carry out the mission on their behalf. Historical fact: The film notes in its closing creditshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closing_creditsthat during the first 11 days of March 1943, the U-boats sank 12 Allied ships in the Indian Ocean. But, after the Light Horse raid on Goa, only one ship was lost in the remainder of the month. Film based on facts: The incident involved The Calcutta Light Horsehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcutta_Light_Horse's covert attack against a German merchant ship which had been transmitting information to U-boats from Mormugao Harbour in neutral Portugal's territory of Goa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa on 9 March 1943. --- Not likely Vivian, as the Seawolves incident took place at the beginning of the war. Could you have got the dates wrong?best,Selma
[Goanet] Vascu stories: looking for storied for a planned collection of living and ****ing in Vascu
Growing up in Vascu, one hated the city, the dirt, the bustling port and all that comes with a booming town. The boom never stopped it seems and the dirt seem to have taken the glitter of the city these days. There were some memorable mile stones for the city: the call to change the name of the city, the post-election violence of 1971, the Santosh Trophy in '72, the one institution that held the city together- Vasco Club and growing up with hip on Mangor Hill in the old days. Chatting with Fred de Saligao, he thought would be interesting to put together stories of growin up, watching the city change and memories. So we are calling on those interested in contributing to drop us a line giving us a brief on what you wish to write. So if you lived in Vasco at some point or have recently moved there and would like to write.. Many thanks
[Goanet] Mapmyindia.com
Interesting stuff from mapmyindia.com Not sure how elaborate it is... just taken a quick look. But when one searches for cemeteries and crematoria, this is what emerges: http://maps.mapmyindia.com/?where=cat:Y%20what:COMCRM%20near:Goaq=search Thanks to Werner for pointing me to this. FN -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Re: [Goanet] Church in India Guilty for Miserable condition of Dalit Christians
pclm francis pclmfran...@gmail.com wrote that 'Church in India Guilty for Miserable condition of Dalit Christians' RESPONSE: I am not sure as to which Supreme Court Mr Francis belongs, to have summarily found Church in India Guilty for Miserable condition of Dalit Christians... Anyway, I accessed the PCLM website and thought that I'd comment on a few excerpts of what I found there Dear R.L. Francis National President, PCLM (Poor Christian Liberation Movement) I read your open letter to The Prime Minister of India dated Jan 4, 2008 http://www.nationalfreepress.org/An-Open-Letter-to-Hon-Prime-Minister-of-India I will comment briefly on the following 4 points you made, and then have a comment at the end. [ F=Francis, JC = me] Do feel free to correct me IF I have misquoted you in any form, shape or fashion. Apart from that - This will be my only comment on this matter. You may have the last word on this. F1: The Converted Dalit Christians had 'an historic option' to decide whether to accept their original religion-Hinduism and return to their community and thus avail the facility of Schedule Caste but most of the Dalit Christians forsook the reservation policy and they decided to remain Dalit Christians JC1: I assume the Indian PM was impressed by the expression of your 'faith', and then puzzled by your simultaneous whining. F2: the Indian Church Authorities deemed it fit that Dalit Christians remain uneducated lot, and they were not given proper and equal right for gainful employment JC2: Are the Indian Church Authorities responsible for your education and/or your rights for gainful employment? F3: DCs who form over 70% of the Christians population should be a' feather in the cap' of the numerous foreign missionaries who descended in hordes triumphantly dreaming that one day the whole of India would be Christianized. JC3: Wake up. The dreams of hordes will never be truly realised in India. Besides, True conversion is personal and is quite independent of any perceived gains from conversion. That would be matlabi' conversion. F4: The DCs (Dalit Christians) were NEVER or RATHER DELIBERATELY kept out mainstream Christianity and thus they were unable to experience progress and growth in their Christian living even though they had full membership in the various Churches. JC4: The CAPS in the above excerpt are mine but the opportunity to explain the above sentence is entirely yours Additional comments: (he = he/she) * I firmly believe that Conversion has to be personal, uncoerced and not based on any prospect of gains. Anybody who believes otherwise, is NOT a true convert. * If one is truly converted to Christianity, the first cloak he will shed is this one called Caste. There should be NO merits or demerits because of previous caste. Accordingly this demand for reservations etc based on being a Dalit Christian is an oxymoron. * I am personally opposed to ANY reservation based on Caste or Any other classification. This is specially so in specialised occupations. No person should be allowed into ANY specialised jobs or professional colleges unless he has satisfied the required criteria for admission. This business of allowing poorly qualifying Dalits or Other Scheduled Folks or anybody else .. is garbage. * Those who want to secure a future for themselves must study hard and achieve the best they can do. This world is full of poor and disadvantaged people (e.g. Sri Lankan Tamils and poor Africans) who have struggled hard and achieved - in no small numbers. * Those people including those calling themselves Dalit Christians - who are unhappy with the present authorities of the Indian Church .should leave the church structure and form their own. I say unto thee ..Go in Peace and etc etc etc. * Anybody who brings caste into Christianity (in any shape or form) could NOT be a follower of Christ. * Instead of merely writing whining letters, do something positive for yourself and your compatriots. and definitely encourage everybody (including yourself and me) to study and work hard, and do the best we all can do with our limited resources. sincerely jc
[Goanet] Goan foreign - Jug Suraiya in TOI
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/jugglebandhi/entry/goan-foreign Goan foreign Jug Suraiya Tuesday November 10, 2009 'Dogs and Indians not allowed', was said to be a common sign in the India of the British raj. Over 60 years after independence, you might expect to see a sign in today's Goa: Dogs welcome, Indians not allowed. Forty-eight years after it was liberated from Portuguese rule and incorporated into the Indian republic, many parts of Goa have become virtual foreign enclaves which are out of bounds for Indians. Lured by the sun-and-fun image of Goa popularised in the West, a large number of foreigners have taken up permanent or semi-permanent residence in the 'sosegade' state, which in the late 1960s became a haven for hippies. But today's foreign residents in Goa are an altogether different breed from the gentle flower children of the hippie era. Mainly from Russia and Israel, many of them have exploited loopholes in the Portuguese property laws which still obtain in Goa to acquire houses and land holdings which have been turned into cafes and resorts which enforce a 'whites only' policy and discourage Indian customers. Following a number of complaints from Indian tourists who have either been barred admission to such establishments, or been denied service by the Goan staff, the state government has added an 'anti-racism' clause to its policy regarding the granting of licences to beach shacks which are located on government-owned land. Shack Owners' Welfare Society president Cruz Cardozo has reportedly criticised the legislation as it could be misused by business rivals to harm competitors. But there could be other, more basic objections as well, pertaining to the democratic right to the freedom of association. What this means is that, in a democracy, you are - or ought to be - free to associate with whom you like, or feel comfortable with, and are equally free not to associate with those whom you find distasteful or who make you feel uncomfortable in any way. Regrettably, all too many Indians of the travelling classes are known for their loud and generally inappropriate behaviour, particularly when foreign women are present. In recognition of this lamentable reality, the railway ministry is seriously considering a proposal to provide reserved coaches for foreigners on tourist routes. Is foreign rule going to make a re-entry into India through the back door of a railway coach, held open in welcome by none less than railway minister Mamata Banerjee, renowned for her fiery pro-poor and pro-people rhetoric? Why not? We in India have long been enjoined by the sarkar to treat the foreign visitor as an honoured guest. And what better honour can one confer on favoured guests than to allow them to enjoy the myriad attractions of Incredible India made even more incredibly attractive by the absence of potentially boorish Indians? Racist? Not at all. Mamatadi is only trying to make foreigners feel more at home while travelling in India, in keeping with the time-honoured tradition of Indian hospitality. And with the norms of democracy and the right to associate or disassociate with whomsoever one chooses. For example, in its heyday the city then known as Calcutta revealed its truly cosmopolitan character by playing host to a number of social clubs and similar institutions which were meant for one or another of the many communities that made up the city's colourful social mosaic. So there was the Judah Club for Jews, the Armenian Club for Armenians, the Dalhousie Institute and the Grail Club for Anglo-Indians, and so on. Far from being exclusionary, such institutions demonstrated the inclusionary ability of Calcutta - and of India at large - to accommodate different cultures and creeds in its eclectic and pluralist fold. Bearing this in mind, the Goan authorities might like to rethink the anti-racism clause in their licensing policy. If Russians want to meet only other Russians in Goa, let them, and more power to their vodka-tippling elbows. And the same for Israelis, and anyone else. Indeed, the signs in Goa - and elsewhere in India - should read: All welcome - including dogs and racists. ==
[Goanet] Joao Belo was German subs in Goa
--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Con Menezes cmene...@tpg.com.au wrote: We set sail on a Portuguese boat Joao Belo. late May 1943. As a ship of a neutral nation the 'JB' sailed with lights fully ablaze with the focus on the spotlighted Portuguese flag fluttering in the wind. This not not deter the Uboats that checked on us a few days nights later. - Dear Con, You may already know this, but that ship has some history attached to it. E. Timor had been attacked by the Dutch taking the Portuguese by surprise. They sent the Joao Belo and an accompanying sailboat the Zarco Gonsalves with troops onboard, about a 1000 men including African soldiers from Mozambique. Whilst they were mid-ocean, E. Timor had been secured so the Zarco and Joao Belo (I wasn't sure if the Belo had actually touched Goan soil but obviously it did given that you sailed on it), made a detour to Goa. The African soldiers onboard were put up in Goa, unfortunately without toilet provisions. They were seen roaming the beaches looking for a spot to relieve themselves. take care, selma
[Goanet] Goan Veterans
From: MARCOS GOMES CATAO cataojm @yahoo,com Just two clarifications/corrections on two itmes mentioned on above subject Nasci Caldeira said the graves listed by the War Graves Commission could not be of Portuguese or Brazilians because Portugal wasneutral and Brazil did not join the war. The latter is not totally correct. Brazil did join the war in favour of the Allies, notwithstanding sympathy for the German in the Presidency. Infact, the Brazilian brigade took part in the Montecassino engagement, which is commemorated every year in the country. In fact, the colourful Brazilian unforms even drew jocular (sardonic?) comments from Winston churchill. Someone else mentioned Goans and Brazilians have natural ties because both were Portuguese colonies and football was introduced by them in both the countries. This is not quite accurate. Football (soccer) was not introduced in Brazil by the Portuguese but by the British. The British played a big role in the development of the railway in Brazil and so, the British expariate engineers and administrators started playing the game there and finally got the locals interested. If I remember right they were instrumental in starting the SPFC (Sao Paulo Football Clube) and later SFC( Santos Football Club) both of which still remain premier teams in the Senior League, SPFC having thrice won the World Club Championship played every year in Tokyo. If I am not too mistaken, some years back SPFC paid a visit to Bombay and defeated an India XI by 6x1
[Goanet] The hoax seems to be unraveling
The cruel hoax that climate change can be controlled by curbs and costs on only the western economies in the middle of a worldwide recession seems to be unraveling: http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE5AE0FP20091115?pageNumber=3virtualBrandChannel=0
[Goanet] Philately
Greetings everyone!!! This is Basil (an editorial assistant with Hello Publications of The Hello Group, Goa) who had no option create this community to ward off fake(to pretend) stamp swappers. There are a few genuine stamp collectors existing on Orkut who you can be trusted to exchange stamps. To get to know such people, look around this community, read the scraps of the members and judge for yourself!!! If at all, you want to get in touch with me please feel free to do so!!! Take care and happy stamp swapping. -- Basil Sylvester Pinto Sr. Editorial Assistant Mob: 9970627610 -- Editorial Team Hello Publications Pvt. Ltd. Porvorim - Goa. Ph: +91-832-2416293 Fax: +91-832-2415982 Email: helloeditor...@gmail.com www.hellogroup.co.in
Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it
Bennet Paes' essay and opinions are not ridiculous, but extremely valid in today's world. I am sure those employed by the multitude of Indian call centers, and those seeking such employ will agree with Mr. Paes. Ditto all those software engineers. Ditto all those seeking to work in any capacity abroad. I. Nunes --- On Sun, 11/15/09, eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com wrote: From: eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 1:39 AM Will someone who resides in india please 'faceoff' on this rather ridiculous comment and essay: it patently distorts the real situation on the ground in today's India. eric. LET’S FACE IT By: Bennet Paes Assolna, Goa. - - - - - Before the British arrived, the so-called India was only a bunch of princely states, each one with a language of its own. To-day, the language that realistically binds them all is English – not Hindi, or any other. In my opinion the best solution to the issue of languages in schools in India should be this: let each State make English as a compulsory medium of instruction, with either Hindi or the mother tongue of that State as optional. Tall order? No, even the slum-dwellers’ parents now want their children to be educated in English, because that’s the route Danny Boyle opened up to them to become millionaires. And that’s the writing on the wall. English is the official language of over 50 sovereign nations of the world, and is either compulsory second language or spoken predominantly in almost all the rest. Americans speak English in their own accent, quite distinct from the British. So do the Australians, Canadians, Ugandans, Jamaicans, etc. That’s on all the six continents of the world. So Indians can do the same, as millions are already doing it now, and be a part of what is today a ‘global village’. Remember, perhaps the only edge we have over rival China, is our literacy in English language which prompts overseas corporations to unload some of their valuable work over here and help boost our economy. Imagine what heights the Indian genius could take us to, if we became another English literate nation on the planet. And here’s an irony - The British, they say, left India divided. But it’s their language that leaves us united and prospering, too. Think about it! Footnote: What’s in an oath? Whether in Marathi or Mandarin, our Politicians would not abide by it, anyway. - The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] chuk konnachi?
I was a bit surprised that Brian Costa's review of Chuk Konnachi? and interview with Marshal Fernandes came so late. We already had Silviano Barbosa's take (I would not call it a review per se) of the tiatr. It was a feel-good piece and knowing his uncomfortable position as husband of one of actors he could have been restrained in giving his critical view. I wish Brian had asked Marshal who was the playwright. That such an important question was left out shows that Brian lacked professionalism in conducting an interview. I, among some, know who the playwright is and I can see only guess why Marshal may have left the playwright's name out. If Marshal was asked the question, we would have had the answer. Besides, we would also know how much of the play was changed from the original. If the play was indeed significantly modified (or adpated to Canadian audiences, as previous tiatrs were done), it would have been right to say so and given the playwright's name. On the other hand, perhaps modifying a tiatr to such a degree that it does retain only part of its originality and then giving the playwright's name would be injustice to the playwright. Perhaps, this is the dilemma Marshal faced. He could still let the forum know what prevented him from doing so. I must go along with both Silviano and Brian that the cast was good but I differ to say that the performance of some was a notch or two lower than others. Acting, in fact, sustained the play. In this context, I must say that I am happy that Rhiza Gracias and Grace Almeida have matured well. I understand Rhiza's role could not give her a bigger scope but I still feel she needs to hone her dramatic skills a little better to be a forceful actor. Grace has travelled a long way and her Konkani diction has improved tremendously. She seemed in total control of her role. Her pivotal character gave the play the zest and vitality that held it together. Bonifilio is a new find. Though I found him short of skills, he carried himself well. A character such as his called for bursts of energy, which came out just once or twice from Bonifilio. He seemed a born crier. He is bound to improve with more such roles. In sharp contrast, Yolanda's role as the wife was good. She was smooth and showed no hesitation. Her experience helped her play her role flawlessly. The comedic element kept the audience happy. I never saw so much pro-active reactions in previous audiences. The character of the audience too has changed, possibly with more Konkani-speaking Goans having migrated to Toronto in recent years. Many were even laughing before the funny dialogues were finished. Sera, as Consu, is another success story. Though I found her role did not provide her with more scope than in Adeus, which I saw last year. I wish she had a better match than Agnelo, as Mama. While Sera was vociferous and enegetic, Agnelo was lumpish. Ummistakably though, Angelo's delivery and command over the language was commendable. Even Marshal's role as Leitao was low-key, which made me wonder if the original script had such a role. On my enquiry, I was informed that the role was added on. It seemed a noncentral role in the sideshow that it did not add much spice to the overall effect of the comic episodes. In a story that ran into cross-currents of love, betrayal and disunity, the story did not just hinge on the errors made by the parents, more so by the mother who was strong-willed and stubborn, but all the main characters. As usual there is the final reunification blessed by none other than a priest. A perfect Goan tale. The tiatr history in Toronto has seen many episodes. Groups were formed and later broken up for personal or for other reasons. What is good now is that actors have become free agents and can provide their talents for any groups or any person. That large number of people came out for the tiatr shows that there is a demand. It is a a good sign that producers/directors are making great efforts to improve the standard. I hope I have erred on the right side. __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
[Goanet] Goa news for November 16, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Six trawlers, 50 Goan fishermen missing in cyclone - Thaindian.com irst-cyclonic-storm-to-reach-Mumbai-in-43-years/articleshow/5220913.cmsusg=AFQjCNFrPNOBOzpWSEAe0WL4BEkZGx6-hgPhyan, first cyclonic storm to reach Mumbai in 43 years http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/six-trawlers-50-goan-fishermen-missing-in-cyclone_100273951.htmlusg=AFQjCNHOTkr7r0TgqIDKuvOsC1SPfYPSCw *** When Phyan left them to face an ordeal at sea - Herald Publications ishermen-still-missing-after-cyclone-phyan-goa-chief-minister_100274210.htmlusg=AFQjCNEUQHHkmb46Ba1wSS4jt6Yyg_pPpQ68 fishermen still missing after Cyclone Phyan: Goa chief minister http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=29911cid=2usg=AFQjCNGc-d2h97bIVpRPOyWd8OsuppKXxA *** Sanatan Sanstha is threat to nation: Goa home minister - Hindustan Times ve blast in Goa, is a threat to the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/goa/Sanatan-Sanstha-is-threat-to-nation-Goa-home-minister/Article1-475918.aspxusg=AFQjCNFLdYjU7wO9unVxwzp6EKD4sZCM6A *** Over 750 Tamil Nadu, Goa fishermen feared drowned - Daily News Analysis adu-government-assures-safety-of-fishermen_100274487.htmlusg=AFQjCNFOZhV9xon_myRr07NaGoi_LVCS5wTamil Nadu government assures safety of fishermen http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_over-750-tamil-nadu-goa-fishermen-feared-drowned_1311360usg=AFQjCNFfTJzeTQXT4vIWuJO184kmqfTXpA *** UK cautions citizens on travel to Goa - Times of India ffice-advises-against-travel-to-goa-5634552.htmlusg=AFQjCNGjyGWT4NqyVxjqYTWZ4J6i_Yo_rwForeign Office advises against travel to Goa http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/UK-cautions-citizens-on-travel-to-Goa/articleshow/5224405.cmsusg=AFQjCNGC4uw-Wbx5pisPS2Bdy-HY5O24aQ *** Goa-Assam match ends in tame draw - Press Trust of India ssam_share_one_point_each_in_drawn_Ranji_tie__N30069.htmlusg=AFQjCNGn51YLqLeHwgH0c1bYlzprtfYQsgGoa-Assam share one point each in drawn Ranji tie http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.ptinews.com/news/376101_Goa-Assam-match-ends-in-tame-drawusg=AFQjCNGzcMPf6Q10BZ7ttJ5LXJ7lmEE4Ag *** Four senior Goa cops create stir aboard offshore casino - Thaindian.com aindian.comPanaji, Nov 13 (IANS) The Goa police department was left red faced after four Superintendents of Police (SP) and three other senior police officials created ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/four-senior-goa-cops-create-stir-aboard-offshore-casino_100274473.htmlusg=AFQjCNGaXYIDWX7HneWmItN5Jcmuid-MKA *** Four More Players Called To The National Camp In Goa - Goal.com 3 side starting from the 15th of this month. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2696/indian-national-team/2009/11/13/1622423/four-more-players-called-to-the-national-camps-in-goausg=AFQjCNFs7MSJDpLbSeHgOldRlTwZ4VE-KQ *** Goa security drive: 32 vital installations mapped - Times of India mes of IndiaMARGAO: With a heightened security alert this year and caution from the Centre to all states,Goa too is gearing up to cordon major installations by drawing ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-security-drive-32-vital-installations-mapped/articleshow/5224415.cmsusg=AFQjCNELeYiGFBSxvUJ5DrXsQP6H2Zz_dw *** Goa EDC to provide financial aid against immovable property - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: For the first time, the Goa Economic Development corporation (EDC) will extend financial assistance against the mortgage of immovable property. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-EDC-to-provide-financial-aid-against-immovable-property/articleshow/5224401.cmsusg=AFQjCNHeH8Ha8_K97qWOUML_nzdrUptkXQ Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] World War II German presence in Goa
Contagiously curious if you are talking of the same German sailor turned watchmaker who set up shop in Panjim? The one I am addressing to had his shop set opposite the High Court, or adjacent to Damodar Mangalji. ?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / In the early 70’s, I was referred to him when I was having difficulty deciphering how to unload a Russian camera I had purchased. That German gentleman took on the challenge and after tinkering with it for a short while, figured it out. His fee: A gracious smile! In whatever calm or choppy waters of Eternity his ship is currently anchored, Almighty blessings! As someone said: “People are not bad. Only individuals are!” Dom Martin P.S.: I still have that Russian camera in my collection, as a memento of a fellow Goan who scuttled his bad buy on to me! In a message dated 11/15/2009 10:59:09 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, goanet-requ...@lists.goanet.org writes:Message: 7 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:22:16 -0800 (PST) From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] World War II German presence in Goa Message-ID: 850161.38242...@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Vivian, The German ships raced into Mormugao harbour to avoid being captured by the British naval forces, not to avoid being torpedoed by them! Far from torpedoing them, the British would gladly have used them to replace some of their own ships that were lost to the German submarines in the area. The British raid on one of the ships in the Zuari took place on March 9, 1943, and not at the beginning of the war, as Selma stated (the war began in 1939). So the masts of the sunken ships you saw in 1947 were indeed the masts of those ships. But only one, the Ehrenfels, had been attacked by the British raiders; the others?were scuttled by their own crews out of fear that they too?were about to be attacked. In the early 1990s I?met several times with?the German sailor turned?watchmaker who set up shop in Panjim, and tried to persuade him to write his memoirs, but he had no interest in doing so. A pity, because he would have?had much to tell! Regards, Victor? Top Online Degrees Earn your AS, BS, or Masters degree from the top schools, 100% online! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=Jh6tBuhb_5vcRXx6YFJZhwAAJ1AcvAXPqsTxxVXL-5uq-HCNAAQFAMVswj4AAAMlAABSMAA=
[Goanet] Christmas Dance and SAT Award - 2 Weeks to deadline
Hello everyone, Just a quick reminder to send in your checks ASAP. There are 2 weeks left for the 'early bird' deadline which expires on the 30th. We're filling up too, so get your seats now. Since this is a combined G.O.A and M.A.A event, our tickets are selling out real fast, so if you and your friends plan to attend I suggest you get us your checks soon. Dance information: 1) Checks need to be made out to: Goans of America. Mailing Address: 213 E Sycamore Avenue, El Segundo CA 90245. (Please list the full names of all your attendees and a phone number as well) Early Bird Price - On/Before November 30th: $40.00/Adult (Ages 13+) $20.00/Kid (Ages 4-12) *(December 1st - December 10th: $50.00/Adult and $25.00/Kid (Ages 4-12))* 2) Buffet Dinner: The DoubleTree Buffet. 3) Dress Code: Formal. 4) Discounted prices for hotel rooms on Dec 12th: $72.00+Tax. Overnight parking included. You may call the DoubleTree directly and book asking for the 'GOA' special rate or click on our personalized link below for the discounted GOA rate and book online. http://doubletree.hilton.com/en/dt/groups/personalized/STAOCDT-GOA-20091 212/index.jhtml 5) There will be a live band performing all evening and we promise to keep you on the dance floor all night! Make sure to wear those dancing shoes! 6) For you wine connoisseurs, feel free to bring your own wine bottle to the event. A corkage fee of $7.00/bottle will apply. 7) Venue: Doubletree Hotel Santa Ana/Orange County Airport Hotel. 714-825- www.doubletreeocairport.com 201 East MacArthur Blvd. Santa Ana, California 92707 Date: December 12th 2009 7pm - 1am (Dinner will be served at 7:30pm sharp) 8) Santa will be gracing our dance too, so bring a wrapped and labeled gift for Santa to give it to your child. 9) If you'd like to donate a spot prize, please email me what you'd like to donate. Please gift wrap your prize and bring it to the event. See all of your on the 12th!! G.O.A SAT Award: Thanks to the generosity of Tony Azavedo and Alfred Braganza, the G.O.A. is proud to offer the G.O.A SAT AWARD again. This is the 13th year of this Award. It is a great incentive to our children to compete. All the 11th and 12th grade scholars are invited to apply for this annual G.O.A. S.A.T. award. It consists of $600.00 cash prize and a $70.00 plaque. As in the years past, scores will remain absolutely CONFIDENTIAL. One of the parents should be Goan. The scholar must be present to receive the award. Please submit your test scores duly countersigned by your school Counselor by December 2nd to any of these members: 1. Tony Azavedo,CPA,18021 Skypark Circle # K-2, Irvine CA 92614. 2. Alfred Braganza, 2201 Greenfield Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90064. For additional info. call: tel. 310/478 3142. 3. Ralph Figueiredo, Ex-officio Member, 2941 Ladoga Ave, Long Beach CA 90815. Thanks to everyone that sent your checks in. We've received a terrific response and filled a bunch of tables so far. Our event flyer is attached as well. G.O.A Committee (310) 534-0358 www.goacom.org/goa-la
[Goanet] Azulejos
R's classic pics are a joy to watch. Goa is rich with architectural heritage. I believe there is a Goan boy by the name of Orlando Noronha who is a reproductor of Azulejos. Mr. Noronha creates his own genre of products which are ordered by hotels etc. besides the gentelman is also a master of the guitarra portuguesa and one was offered to him by the Portuguese President Cavaco e Silva. BC
Re: [Goanet] Goan Veterans
And apparently was the origin to the saying para inglez ver, meaning, pretending to be seen to work by the British overseers... - Original Message From: Jean Marcos Catao cata...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Mon, 16 November, 2009 3:07:11 AM Subject: [Goanet] Goan Veterans From: MARCOS GOMES CATAO cataojm @yahoo,com ... The British played a big role in the development of the railway in Brazil ... __ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/
[Goanet] Goan foreign - Jug Suraiya in TOI
All welcome - including dogs and racists. There is money to be made here by applying the above as a caption on Tee shirts, car windshield ornaments, and as/on other tschotkes. The natives too will buy. The Tourism department mavens could augment their earnings by imprinting the same on comforting apparel --- of cotton and raw silk of course. Imagine a project where canoes plying across rivers has the same emblazoned port and starboard. Aft, would be the back of the vhoddeakars T-shirt, and on the front, on his cap. venantius j pinto * * From: Cecil Pinto cecilpi...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Goan foreign - Jug Suraiya in TOI http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/jugglebandhi/entry/goan-foreign Indeed, the signs in Goa - and elsewhere in India - should read: All welcome - including dogs and racists. ==
Re: [Goanet] World War II German presence in Goa
Fritz Dimsak? - Original Message From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Mon, 16 November, 2009 2:22:16 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] World War II German presence in Goa In the early 1990s I met several times with the German sailor turned watchmaker who set up shop in Panjim, and tried to persuade him to write his memoirs, but he had no interest in doing so. __ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/
[Goanet] Mhars a contradiction
According to Xri Antonio Menzes, 95% of Goans had no education or lived in poverty. In his frequent articles Xri Domnic Fernandes tells us an other story. Who should we believe? Deva amcam pauh! BC MUSIC, WRITERS AND SPORTSMEN The Mhars provided the traditional music bands in the village for the Hindu marriage procession and religious festivities amongst Hindus and Catholics. As we all know, during pre-liberation era, every village in Goa had a Parochial school attached to a Church, where village boys were taught music notes as well as basic schooling, which enabled them to read and write. In the past, the formal teaching of music was very important, especially in the Parochial schools first established in 1545 by the Viceroy Dom João de Castro, and in the elementary schools first established in Goa in 1831 by decree of the Portuguese government. Access to these elementary schools was, however, very restricted, granted only to families of the Goan social elite. For commoners the Church School known as Parochial School was part of the life. This type of schools lasted till the end of the Portuguese rule.
Re: [Goanet] The Germans in Goa
-Original Message- From: Carvalho Brietkork worked with the Timblos. His family lives in Mangor Hill, Vasco. RESPONSE: Perhaps it is Karl Breitkopf [1]. Augusto Pinto mentions Bernhard Thamm [2] in his column of Oct 22, 2008 (Herald). Bernhard identifies himself as the son of Kurt Gustav Adolf Thamm [3], a sailor on one of the German boats that were destroyed in Mormugao. - B References: [1] http://www.indiamike.com/india/goa-f23/goa-nazi-hoax-t57674/2/ [2] http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-October/168773.html [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bernhard_thamm
[Goanet] Book Release: Khristapurana (Thomas Stephens - Marathi edition)
FR NELSON FALCAOS NEW EDITION OF THE KHRISTAPURANA OF FR THOMAS STEPHENS, WITH MARATHI TRANSLATION Ivo Coelho, SDB Nashik, 14 November 2009. Fr Nelson Falcaos new edition and Marathi translation of Thomas Stephens Khristapurana was released at a well-attended function at Parshuram Natyagruha, Nashik, 14 November 2009 in the presence of eminent persons from the field of Marathi literature and learning. Mr Vinayakdada Patil, President of the Yashwantrao Chavan Pratisthan and the Marathi Sahitya Parishad, Nashik, presided at the function. Bishop Thomas Bhalerao, SJ, former bishop of the Catholic Diocese of Nashik; Fr Francis DBritto of Vasai; Dr A.H. Salunkhe, well-known rationalist thinker and lecturer, and Dr Dilip Dhondge, specialist in the Sant literature of Maharashtra, were the speakers. The Khristapurana was written over 400 years ago in Goa by Fr Thomas Stephens, an English Jesuit who landed in Goa in 1579, and who has the distinction of probably being the first Englishman to have set foot in India. In response to requests by native Christians for a life of Christ that they could understand, he mastered Konkani and Marathi and immersed himself in the Hindu Vaishnavite literature to come out with his 11,000 verse purana, which has been acknowledged by many, including the speakers at the book release function, as a genuine masterpiece of Marathi poetry. Parts of the Khristapurana have been sung by generations of Christians along the Western coast of India, from Vasai in the north to Mangalore in the south. Fr Stephens monumental achievement is one of the great examples of inculturation in the world: just as St Paul communicated the Christian faith to the Hellenistic world, just as St Augustine made use of the Greek philosopher Plato, while St Thomas Aquinas borrowed from the other famous Greek philosopher Aristotle, so the enterprising English Jesuit expressed the Christian story in the form of a purana. Dr Salunkhe said that such an attitude and desire to understand the other was sorely needed at the present moment in the history of our country. There is urgent need, he said, of such bridging forces. Every single one of the speakers mentioned Stephens well-known verses in praise of the Marathi language. Fr Stephens made it evident so long ago that the Christian command of love covers not only the individual but also his or her culture and language. The novelty of Fr Falcaos new edition of the Khristapurana is that it is the first to be based on the Marsden Manuscript, which is a Devanagari manuscript discovered in the School of Oriental Studies, London, by Mr J.E. Abbott around the year 1923. Fr Stephens himself had his purana printed in Roman script because of the unavailability of Devanagari type. The subsequent three editions including the Mangalore one of J.L. Saldanha in 1907 were also in Roman script. There were two subsequent editions, that of Bandelu in 1956 and of Drago in 1996, which were in Devanagari script, but both were transliterations of Saldanhas Roman script version. The Falcao edition is therefore the first to provide us with a Devanagari text based on the Marsden manuscript. What makes the latter so special is the fact that it contains Sanskrit and Marathi based theological terms where the earlier editions had Portuguese or Latin based terms. An example is baptism, which is rendered as jnana-snana incidently, a term which Robert de Nobili also used, perhaps under Stephens influence, and which is still current in Tamil Christian usage today. The work of Fr Falcao also has the distinction of being the very first translation of the Khristapurana. He reports that he had begun actually by working on an English translation, but then found that he had to first fix the Devanagari text, and so concentrated on translating it into contemporary Marathi. Dr Dhondge as well as Mr Patil said that Fr Falcao had, in effect, continued Fr Stephens work of communicating the story of Jesus to a contemporary audience. Fr Falcao, who hails from Vasai, comes well prepared for the job of editing and translating the Khristapurana, with his native meticulousness as well as an enviable mastery of Marathi, as well as English, Italian and some other European languages. His doctoral thesis at Jnana Deepa Vidyapeeth, Pune, on the hermeneutical strategy of Thomas Stephens makes him eminently suited to the task of editing and translation. There is no doubt that Falcaos text and translation is a monumental achievement and a labour of love. It will be an important addition to any scholarly library, despite the fact that it caters primarily to a Marathi readership. It might also be of interest to know that Fr Falcao is already at work on the English translation of the Khristapurana which, perhaps, even more than the Marathi translation, will be a historical event, since it will lay
[Goanet] Enemy property in Goa comes under scanner
Enemy property in Goa comes under scanner TNN 16 November 2009, 07:11am IST PANAJI: Over a century after many Goans migrated to Pakistan, a tussle appears imminent between the Indian government and descendants of these Pakistani Goans over their properties, today known in government circles as enemy properties. Letters from the custodian of enemy properties to the revenue authorities in Goa to include the custodians name in form I and XIV (record of survey number, type of land, ownership and tenancy) of land records has sent revenue officials into a tizzy. A major problem they face is that many of these properties are now held by family members of Pakistani nationals. For instance, senior citizen Antonio Sebastian Luis lives with his family in his ancestral house at Nachinola, Bardez. The property survey number is, however, registered in the name of his paternal uncle who migrated to Pakistan. Revenue officials are puzzled over how to include the custodian of enemy property in that form I and XIV. Efforts are, however, on to identify such properties in the state. North Goa additional collector Narayan Sawant said that all mamlatdars have been asked to prepare a list of enemy properties in their talukas. The collector will then forward the details to the law department for further action. Enemy properties are those whose survey numbers are registered in the names of Goans who migrated to Pakistan decades ago. After these Goans accepted Pakistani citizenship and India declared Pakistan an enemy state around 1965, these properties were declared enemy properties. On September 11, 1965, a central government notification stated that all immoveable properties in India belonging to or held or managed on behalf of Pakistani nationals are to be treated as enemy properties and that control of these properties vested in the custodian of enemy property. With the help of details provided by the custodian of enemy property for India, Mumbai, the Bardez mamlatdar has tentatively identified 69 such enemy properties in Bardez. The Tiswadi mamlatdar has identified another 12 such properties in Ela and St Cruz villages of Tiswadi. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Enemy-property-in-Goa-comes-under-scanner/articleshow/5234264.cms
[Goanet] OBITUARY - PEDRO ALMEIDA (SanJoao) / Macazana, Goa
O B I T U A R Y PEDRO ALMEIDA (SANJOAO) Macazana - Goa (Ex-PO CRUISES) Died: 14 Nov 2009. Photo: http://picasaweb.google.ca/GoanetBlog/Obits#5404587284270652274 Husband of late Caitana, Father/Father-in-law of Milafres/Janice, Lucy/John(Kuwait), Jacinto/Joanita, Joseph/Elsa, Francis (SHAHU)/Clemmie (Kuwait). Grandfather of Bryce, Levi, Jeff, Joybert, Cia, Aerosmith (Kuwait) and Acacia (Kuwait). Funeral cortege will leave his residence TODAY, 16/11/2009 at 4 p.m. to St. Francis Xavier Church, Macazana - Goa. May his soul rest in peace. Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter presented by goa-world.com team http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (16Nov09)
*** Police HQ *** Your husband was watching Belly Dancers! Mine was at the Casino!! Forget the State probe we 'Wives of Cops' will have our own Probe!!! To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
Re: [Goanet] Goan veterans
Nascy, May I disagree with you? In brief, WWII was a result of stiff payments France insisted Germany make, in reparation for the thousands of widows and orphans left behind, and incredibly, for the heads of cattle and horses lost in the Great War (WWI). You'd understand what I'm saying if you had watched the recent documentary on the Treaty of Versailles broadcast by SBS. This, remapping the world divisions and with the loss of the colonies, left behind a very chastened Germany, which then gave rise to Hitler and Nazism, which resulted in WWII in Europe (the Asian side was for a different reason). Of course, a scapegoat was needed to whip up the uprising and to ensure loyalty, hence the hatred against the Jews, incidentally many of whom had fought for the Kaiser in the earlier war. It is for reasons to prevent resentments giving rise to fresh wars that no payments for reparations were demanded of Germany and Japan after WWII; instead these two nations were assisted by the world to recuperate and rebuild, with some provisions banning the two nations from holding armed forces for a period. Gabriel. - Original Message From: Nascy Caldeira nascy...@yahoo.com.au To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 12:55:49 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan veterans The second World war was an outcome of German actions of invading and conquering the nations around them; to form an United Europe under his 'Hitler Nazi' command. Hitler used some resentment against Jews in Germany to 'come to power' by unleashing atrocities against them, to win popular support and thus win against the Commies who were quite a formidable political power in Germany at the time;the SS cadres did exactly that! __ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Release of Another Goa (Margao, Monday, Nov 16, 2009)
dear frederick: I'm delighted to learn about the book and sad I can't be in margao tomorrow for its launch - where can one buy / order a copy? I'm sure it will be a terrific read because there are few people as informed and sensitive about goa past and present as you - with continuing admiration of your work in cyberspace for goa, gerson da cunha Gerson da Cunha 10 Fairlawn, 128 Maharshi Karve Road, Churchgate, Mumbai 400 020 Tel : (91 22) 2288 6531/ 2282 6699 Fax: (91 22) 2287 3513 Email: dacunha.ger...@gmail.com gersondacu...@hotmail.com ger...@agnimumbai.org
[Goanet] Daily Grook #569
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[Goanet] Book Reading: Saeed Akhtar Mirza @ Literati, Calangute
Literati invites you to a reading by SAEED AKHTAR MIRZA from his book : AMMI letter to a democratic mother on Saturday 21st November 2009 at 5.30pm Mr. Mirza is the award winning director of films like ALBERT PINTO KO GUSSA KYON AATA HAI? and television serials including NUKKAD which stay in our imagination till today. Literati - Bookshop Cafe E/1-282 Gaura Vaddo Calangute Goa 403516 India Phone: (832) 2277740 Goanet AE www.goanet.org
[Goanet] Walk on 19th Nov' 2009 at 3.30 from Kala Academy to Azad Maidan to mark International Day Against Child Abuse.
Respected Sir/M'am SCAN-India(a project of EL-SHADDAI) organizing a walk on 19th Nov' 2009 at 3.30 from Kala Academy to Azad Maidan to mark International Day Against Child Abuse .The main purpose is to raise awareness about issues related to child abuse and to promote their welfare among the masses. We would look forward for your participation for the same.Kindly confirm your participation by 14th Nov' 2009. Regards, SCAN-India -- Address: Stop Child Abuse Now (SCAN-India) 219 La Campala Opposite Hotel El-Passo Campal, Panaji Goa 403001 Tel No:- 0832-2461068 09225907100 / 200 web: www.scanindia.in
Re: [Goanet] Goa on brink of facing one more cyclone
-Original Message- From: D'Souza, Avelino Goa on brink of facing one more cyclone HERALD REPORTER http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=29969cid=10 RESPONSE: Appears Goa is indeed about to encounter some unstable weather within the next few hours. Perhaps not a cyclone. http://www.imd.gov.in/section/satmet/dynamic/insatsector-ir.htm http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/indian/images/xxirmet5n.GIF http://www.weather.com/maps/maptype/satelliteworld/indiasatellite_large.html - B
Re: [Goanet] Goan veterans
The name of the book is O Espião Alemão em Goa - Operação Long Shanks by José António Barreiros available from http://www.bibliofeira.com/livro/551618778 for EU$ 12.00. Features a photograph of Dr. Froilano de Mello, who attended the injured. My own copy has been misplaced. I hope I can track it down, more for reasons that it was purchased for me by Jorge Abreu-Noronha, years ago. Gabriel. - Original Message From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 1:51:34 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan veterans Alfredo's article makes reference to the book Ehrenfels by Jose Antonio Barreiros, Selma would do well by trying to get hold of this book. Paulo Colaco-Dias (even though, I know he is busy with academics + work) might be able to guide Selma, IF the book is not locatable. __ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/
Re: [Goanet] Release of Another Goa (Margao, Monday, Nov 16, 2009)
hey rico, that is such wonderful news...have a great book launch n many cheers! i feel awful that i will be missing it. i was in goa until yesterday and would have surely come if i still around. all well with me n let's catch up when i am there next. i'll pick up the book n make you autograph it!! bye - Ajay
[Goanet] Learning with the Times: India doesn't have any 'national language'
Learning with the Times: India doesn't have any 'national language' TNN 16 November 2009, 03:14am IST What does the Constitution say on languages? Article 343 of the Constitution and the Official Languages Act say that the official language of the Union will be Hindi. However, the attempt to adopt Hindi as the official language was strongly opposed by several non-Hindi speaking states, especially Tamil Nadu, which erupted in violent protests leading to a compromise in allowing the use of English also for official purposes. Thus, the Constitution and the act allowed English to be used for transaction of business in Parliament, by Centre and states and for certain purposes in high courts for 15 years. Later, the act was amended in 1967 to allow continuation of English for official purposes. It is argued that while Hindi is the official language it was never given the status of national language, as India, being a multilingual country, has no single national language. Article 351, a directive, says it is the duty of the Union to promote the spread of Hindi language, so that it may serve as a medium of expression for all the elements of the composite culture of India, never using the term national language to refer to Hindi. How many languages does the Constitution list? The Constitution listed fourteen languages Assamese, Bengali, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Kashmiri, Malayalam, Marathi, Oriya, Punjabi, Sanskrit, Tamil, Telugu, and Urdu in Eighth Schedule, in 1950. Since then, the list has been expanded thrice, once to include Sindhi, second time to include Konkani, Manipuri and Nepali and yet again to add four more languages Bodo, Santhali, Maithili and Dogri bringing total to 22 scheduled languages. The claims of many more languages for inclusion is under consideration. What's the three-language policy that was recommended for education in the country? The three-language formula recommends the study of a modern Indian language, preferably a south Indian language, apart from Hindi and English in Hindi-speaking states and the study of the regional language along with Hindi and English in non-Hindi speaking states. The All India Council for Education in 1956 recommended the adoption of the three-language formula and it was endorsed widely and adopted by the chief ministers conference. This three-language policy was reiterated by the National Policy on Education in 1968, yet again in 1986 and was adopted as a Programme of Action by Parliament in 1992. Yet, an official review of the three-language formula in the National Curriculum Framework for School Education in January 2000 found that in many states, apart from Hindi and English, Sanskrit, Arabic or even European languages like French and German were being allowed in place of a modern Indian language. Why has the attempt to increase use of Hindi led to controversy? Large states with non-Hindi speaking populations have always resented what they see as an imposition of Hindi and huge budgetary allocation each year for promotion of Hindi as official language and incidents due to acrimony over this issue have increased in recent years. For instance, Tamil Nadu assembly passed a resolution in December 2006 to make Tamil the official language of Madras HC. Earlier, West Bengal too had sought to introduce Bengali in Calcutta HC. Article 348 (2) of the Constitution and Section 7 of the Official Languages Act, 1963, together entitle Hindi-speaking states like Bihar, UP, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan to use their official language, Hindi, in their respective high courts. Tamil Nadu CM M Karunanidhi wants an extension of this constitutional provision to Tamil as well. SC rejected request of both Tamil Nadu and West Bengal claiming it would impact transfer and posting of high court judges all over India as it would be possible to post only Tamil-knowing judges to the Madras high court and would involve voluminous work of translating thousands of orders and laws in Tamil. But, of course, the same problem could be faced by judges from the south or other non-Hindi speaking states posted to Bihar, UP, MP and Rajasthan high courts. Again, in September this year, a Union minister from Tamil Nadu, M K Alagiri, asked to be allowed to answer questions and speak in Tamil in the Parliament. The Lok Sabha secretariat turned down the request saying that only MPs asked for interpreters in the past, not ministers, as the business of the house had to be transacted in Hindi or English. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Learning-with-the-Times-India-doesnt-have-any-national-language/articleshow/5234047.cms
Re: [Goanet] World War II German presence in Goa
The Gernan-Sailor-Turned-Watch repairer was called FRITZ DIMSAK. He married a Goan and had a son called Oswald who did not use his father's surname, but rather his mother's. Oswald also worked with Fritz in that little shop opposite the Court. -- o . . o o_.__' Cheers! \~/ \ / '-.-' Tony de Sa |M: +91 9975 162 897 _|_ Ph: +91 832 2470 148 `` tonyd...@gmail.com W. Somerset Maugham: I always find it more difficult to say the things I mean than the things I don't. .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:
[Goanet] Congrats FN!
Hi Rico, It's the big day today! Congrats on your Another Goa book release. Salud! FR _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691815
