[GreenYouth] Re: Mumbai terror attacks by media
Dear Luisa, I agree with you completely. Why aren't the attacks in Kandhmahal as serious as these or more? Just because this attack is compact and full of the necessary drama for TV chanels and fulfills the needs of our imagination it gets a certificate of seriousness. Gouri On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Luisa Steur [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I hope saying this will not offend anyone (it is not intended to) but I have some doubts about how everyone seems to agree this is the worst thing to happen to India in years. As far as I can see these attacks in Mumbai stand out because of their spectacular nature--the Taj hotel and the Oberoi being attacked and rich and foreign guests being taken hostage creates enormous 'spectacular' value (just like 9/11 did). And because of the spectacular media effect and because the terrorits were targetting cosmopolitan circles, the repercusions for India in terms of global investor confidence and these kind of things will be much greater than with other instances of violence. In that sense it is somewhat understandable that the events get so much more coverage. But why should critical social activists consider this terrorist attack any worse, in ethical terms, than other instances of violence that have occured in India lately? Why is it, as Faking News suggests, ok to have commercial breakes when reporting on terror attacks where ordinary Indians in ordinary places were killed but can we *not *have commercial breakes when also rich elites and foreigners are targetted and economic national interests are directly at stake? Obviously I think these commerical breakes during news reporting are always pretty repugnant but I ask you to explain to me why they are any more so now than when only ordinary people are killed. Is it an attack on India when the Taj hotel is in flames, but not so when a dalit hut is burning? This is what elites and the media of course would like us to take for granted but I feel I must resist this Luisa -- *From:* bobinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Greenyouth greenyouth@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, 29 November, 2008 11:25:01 *Subject:* [GreenYouth] Mumbai terror attacks by media even, fakingnews, a portal which runs fake/funny news items showed their responsibility in sharing the pain terror in Mumbai for last couple of days. http://www.fakingnews.com/2008/11/mumbai-terror-attacks-by-media.html http://www.enidhi.net/2008/11/impose-delay-on-live-reporting.html The rest of the media was celebrating the invasion as if they are showing an Hollywood movie trailer ! is there a provision to take action against the media ? ~ bobinson -- http://freebird.in --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: fwd-please go through this
[For the last few months, I haven't been reading this forum but just checked back the other day to see what the members here have to say about the Mumbai terror strike. I didn't intend to write, but this one forced my hand.] There is a saying in Malayalam, which essentially translates to 'when bad times strike, even earthworms turn venomous'. The vermin of the earth have emerged from their subterranean holes. The crass display of insensitivity bordering on contempt for the victims is just jaw dropping. (Remember Ward Churchill?) Yet, it is easy to dismiss this Amaresh Misra as a vermin, but when 'eminent journalists and commentators' start spouting the same nonsense, what to make of it: http://www.countercurrents.org/sikand291108.htm ? Of course, no analysis of a terrorist outrage is complete unless you have a Jewish/Mossad conspiracy to round it off. I will not mock at my own and others' intelligence by analyzing this piece of crap but just state that last few paragraphs read like the notorious anti-Semitic hoax, the 'Protocol of the Elders of the Zion', which later became part of the Nazi propaganda and even found its way into the Mein Kampf (indirectly serving as one of the excuses for the Holocaust that would follow). It doesn't stop there. Here is another one from, of all places, the Financial Times: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b77572d0-bcbc-11dd-af5a-779fd18c.html This country is under attack. There is palpable anger against the venal bastards who run this country. I can just hope that this anger will find an expression only at the ballot box and not on the street. Best regards, Murali PS: The only good that has come out of this sordid drama is that the zombie who ran the MHA is out. He was first rejected by the people, then foisted upon the nation through the back door and should have been chucked out long ago. Better late than never. Venugopalan K M wrote: . It is 4AM in India right now. I am in Mumbai reporting from the ground. I have not slept a wink. Mumbai is under attack. People and forces who killed Mahatama Gandhi, who demolished the Babari Mosque have triumphed. More than 16 groups of terrorists have taken over Taj, Oberai and several hotels. Hundreds of people are dead. For the first time no one is blaming Muslim organizations. The Mumbai ATS chief Hemant Karkare and other officers of the ATS have been killed. These were the same people who were investigating the Malegaon Blasts--in which Praggya Singh, an army officer and several other noted personalities of the BJP-RSS-Bajrang Dal-VHP were arrested. Karkare was the man to arrest them. Karkare was receiving threats from several quarters. LK Advani, the BJP chief and several other prominent leaders of the so-called Hindu terrorism squad were gunning for his head. And the first casualty in the terrorist attack was Karkare! He is dead--gone--the firing by terrorists began from Nariman House--which is the only building in Mumbai inhabited by Jews. Some Hindu Gujaratis of the Nariman area spoke live on several TV channels--they openly said that the firing by terrorists began from Nariman house. And that for two years suspicious activities were going on in this house. But no one took notice. Our worst fears have come true. It is clear that Mossad is involved in the whole affair. An entire city has been attacked by Mossad and probably units of mercenaries. It is not possible for one single organization to plan and execute such a sophisticated operation. It is clear that this operation was backed by communal forces from within the Indian State. The Home Minister Shivraj Patil should resign. The RSS-BJP-VHP-Bajrang Dal should be banned. Advani and others ought to be arrested. Today is a day of shame for all Indians and all Hindus. Muslims and secular Hindus have been proven right. RSS type forces and Israel are all involved in not only destabilizing but finishing India. India should immediately snap all relations with Israel. We owe this much to Karkare and the brave ATS men who had shown the courage to arrest Praggya Singh, Raj Kumar Purohit, the army officer and several others. A photograph publushed in Urdu Times, Mumbai, clearly shows that Mossad and ex-Mossad men came to India and met Sadhus and other pro-Hindutva elements recently. A conspiracy was clearly hatched. This is a moment of reckoning especially for Hindus of India. The killers of Gandhi have struck again.. If we are true Sanatanis and true Hindus and true nationalists and true patriots we have to see this act as a clear attack by anti-national deshdrohi forces. Praggya Singh, Advani and the entire brand is anti-national. They ought to be shot. Any Hindu siding with them is hereafter warned of serious consequences. This is a question of nationalism. If no one else, the Indian army will not take this lying down. Communal, anti-national forces have attacked the very foundation of the Indian constitution and the nation. We will
[GreenYouth] Re: Beena Sarwar on Mumbai attack
We would certainly do better without the empathy from the Wholesale Manufacturers and Merchants of Terror. On Nov 30, 9:12 am, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=44902 -- Bobby Kunhuhttp://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Beena Sarwar on Mumbai attack
And less 'people-to-people-contact' of the kind that was in spectacular display for the last few days, please. On Nov 30, 7:08 pm, Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We would certainly do better without the empathy from the Wholesale Manufacturers and Merchants of Terror. On Nov 30, 9:12 am, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=44902 -- Bobby Kunhuhttp://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Beena Sarwar on Mumbai attack
welcome back Murali or is that the financial meltdowm has allowed you to condescend to converse with the likes of us If you have been following the Obama campaign, you might have noticed that one of his important foriegn policy planks was on attacking Pakistan so do tell me how we should deal with the wholesale manufacturers abd merchants of terror eagerly waiting for your wisdom on this 2008/11/30 Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] We would certainly do better without the empathy from the Wholesale Manufacturers and Merchants of Terror. On Nov 30, 9:12 am, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=44902 -- Bobby Kunhuhttp://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Beena Sarwar on Mumbai attack
wreent your kinds primarily responsible for the people-to-people spectacular displays 2008/11/30 Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] And less 'people-to-people-contact' of the kind that was in spectacular display for the last few days, please. On Nov 30, 7:08 pm, Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We would certainly do better without the empathy from the Wholesale Manufacturers and Merchants of Terror. On Nov 30, 9:12 am, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=44902 -- Bobby Kunhuhttp://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Beena Sarwar on Mumbai attack
Thanks for the heart warming welcome, mate :) No, the financial meltdown is still in the pipeline, as far as I am concerned. I, as a citizen of this country is entitled to have any opinion about our western neighbor. It is the duty of the people who run this country to engage with it. After all, everybody has their own 'core competencies', right? That they are not up to the mark is partly my fault, I agree. Best regards, Murali On Nov 30, 7:22 pm, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: welcome back Murali or is that the financial meltdowm has allowed you to condescend to converse with the likes of us If you have been following the Obama campaign, you might have noticed that one of his important foriegn policy planks was on attacking Pakistan so do tell me how we should deal with the wholesale manufacturers abd merchants of terror eagerly waiting for your wisdom on this --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Beena Sarwar on Mumbai attack
If you have been following the Obama campaign, you might have noticed that one of his important foriegn policy planks was on attacking Pakistan so do tell me how we should deal with the wholesale manufacturers abd merchants of terroryou still have not addressed this and thank goodness that you acknowledge being part of the polity 2008/11/30 Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sort of agree, Bobby. To the extent that the zombies who run the establishment at New Delhi got elected. I can excuse me partly, because at least one of them was *foisted* on me. Best regards, Murali On Nov 30, 7:25 pm, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wreent your kinds primarily responsible for the people-to-people spectacular displays 2008/11/30 Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: fwd-please go through this
Murali Are you advocating that we elect Modi as the next PM Its fascinating how you resurfaced after the Mumbai terror Will it be fair for us to assume that you were behind the Mumbai carnage pal? Best 2008/11/30 Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [For the last few months, I haven't been reading this forum but just checked back the other day to see what the members here have to say about the Mumbai terror strike. I didn't intend to write, but this one forced my hand.] There is a saying in Malayalam, which essentially translates to 'when bad times strike, even earthworms turn venomous'. The vermin of the earth have emerged from their subterranean holes. The crass display of insensitivity bordering on contempt for the victims is just jaw dropping. (Remember Ward Churchill?) Yet, it is easy to dismiss this Amaresh Misra as a vermin, but when 'eminent journalists and commentators' start spouting the same nonsense, what to make of it: http://www.countercurrents.org/sikand291108.htm ? Of course, no analysis of a terrorist outrage is complete unless you have a Jewish/Mossad conspiracy to round it off. I will not mock at my own and others' intelligence by analyzing this piece of crap but just state that last few paragraphs read like the notorious anti-Semitic hoax, the 'Protocol of the Elders of the Zion', which later became part of the Nazi propaganda and even found its way into the Mein Kampf (indirectly serving as one of the excuses for the Holocaust that would follow). It doesn't stop there. Here is another one from, of all places, the Financial Times: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b77572d0-bcbc-11dd-af5a-779fd18c.html This country is under attack. There is palpable anger against the venal bastards who run this country. I can just hope that this anger will find an expression only at the ballot box and not on the street. Best regards, Murali PS: The only good that has come out of this sordid drama is that the zombie who ran the MHA is out. He was first rejected by the people, then foisted upon the nation through the back door and should have been chucked out long ago. Better late than never. Venugopalan K M wrote: . It is 4AM in India right now. I am in Mumbai reporting from the ground. I have not slept a wink. Mumbai is under attack. People and forces who killed Mahatama Gandhi, who demolished the Babari Mosque have triumphed. More than 16 groups of terrorists have taken over Taj, Oberai and several hotels. Hundreds of people are dead. For the first time no one is blaming Muslim organizations. The Mumbai ATS chief Hemant Karkare and other officers of the ATS have been killed. These were the same people who were investigating the Malegaon Blasts--in which Praggya Singh, an army officer and several other noted personalities of the BJP-RSS-Bajrang Dal-VHP were arrested. Karkare was the man to arrest them. Karkare was receiving threats from several quarters. LK Advani, the BJP chief and several other prominent leaders of the so-called Hindu terrorism squad were gunning for his head. And the first casualty in the terrorist attack was Karkare! He is dead--gone--the firing by terrorists began from Nariman House--which is the only building in Mumbai inhabited by Jews. Some Hindu Gujaratis of the Nariman area spoke live on several TV channels--they openly said that the firing by terrorists began from Nariman house. And that for two years suspicious activities were going on in this house. But no one took notice. Our worst fears have come true. It is clear that Mossad is involved in the whole affair. An entire city has been attacked by Mossad and probably units of mercenaries. It is not possible for one single organization to plan and execute such a sophisticated operation. It is clear that this operation was backed by communal forces from within the Indian State. The Home Minister Shivraj Patil should resign. The RSS-BJP-VHP-Bajrang Dal should be banned. Advani and others ought to be arrested. Today is a day of shame for all Indians and all Hindus. Muslims and secular Hindus have been proven right. RSS type forces and Israel are all involved in not only destabilizing but finishing India. India should immediately snap all relations with Israel. We owe this much to Karkare and the brave ATS men who had shown the courage to arrest Praggya Singh, Raj Kumar Purohit, the army officer and several others. A photograph publushed in Urdu Times, Mumbai, clearly shows that Mossad and ex-Mossad men came to India and met Sadhus and other pro-Hindutva elements recently. A conspiracy was clearly hatched. This is a moment of reckoning especially for Hindus of India. The killers of Gandhi have struck again.. If we are true Sanatanis and true Hindus and true nationalists and true patriots we have to see this act as a clear attack by anti-national deshdrohi forces. Praggya Singh, Advani and the
[GreenYouth] Re: Beena Sarwar on Mumbai attack
Again, core competencies. Still I can suggest a few simple things (amateurish at best): 1) Recognize the fact that our Western neighbor do not have our best interests at heart 2) Don't bail them out with statements like 'they too are victims of terror'. It is black karma after all. 3) Nothing can get more bizarre than 'a joint mechanism with Pakistan to fight terror'. 4) More costly it is for them to manufacture terror, less of it will be consumed (simple market dynamics) 5) Last but not least, as Will Durant said, we must love peace, but keep the powder dry as well. Best regards, Murali On Nov 30, 7:37 pm, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have been following the Obama campaign, you might have noticed that one of his important foriegn policy planks was on attacking Pakistan so do tell me how we should deal with the wholesale manufacturers abd merchants of terroryou still have not addressed this and thank goodness that you acknowledge being part of the polity --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: fwd-please go through this
Are you advocating that we elect Modi as the next PM
No.
Will it be fair for us to assume that you were behind the Mumbai carnage
pal?
Hardly on evidence, my friend. Sorry :) But this seems to be the
'logic' used by many journalists ('eminent' or otherwise).
As a side note, I have been conferencing with one of our clients in
Israel over an issue they have with our product. This started *before*
the attacks. So, in the scheme of things as far as the 'eminent'
journalists is concerned, I too am a co-conspirator in the grand
Jewish conspiracy to take over the world (the Jewish-Brahminist
conspiracy, to be precise). I guess I am risking too much by revealing
this secret liaison.
Best regards,
Murali
On Nov 30, 7:51 pm, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Murali
Are you advocating that we elect Modi as the next PM
Its fascinating how you resurfaced after the Mumbai terror
Will it be fair for us to assume that you were behind the Mumbai carnage
pal?
Best
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[GreenYouth] Hemant Karkare-tehelka
From Tehelka Magazine, Vol 5, Issue 48, Dated Dec 06, 2008 CURRENT AFFAIRS interview ‘There is enough evidence against Col Purohit; we will present it in court’ ATS chief Hemant Karkare told RANA AYYUB, shortly before his death in the Mumbai terror attacks, that more army officers will not be arrested The 2008 Malegaon blasts investigations have, for the first time, linked the right wing organisations to terrorist acts in the country. ATS Joint commissioner Hemant Karkare was spearheading the investigation. In an interview with TEHELKA, he had clarified the ATS stand on the conflicting reports that have been trickling out regarding the investigations. The investigator Hemant Karkare insisted that there is no political pressure on him or his team Photo: DEEPAK SALVI Reports suggest that VHP strongman Pravin Togadia funded Abhinav Bharat, the organisation which is allegedly involved in the Malegaon blasts? Has this been confirmed? There was a reference to his name during the investigation, but that has nothing to do with the Malegaon blasts investigations of 2008. At this point of time, we are only looking into the 2008 blasts. Will Pravin Togadia be questioned, since his name has also cropped up in the narco tests done on the accused in the Nanded blasts of 2006? No, as of now there is no evidence against him. As I said earlier, we are looking at only the Malegaon blasts, so there is no question of interrogating Pravin Togadia. Reports suggest the involvement of high-profile seers in the Malegaon blasts. Has the ATS got proof of this? We are not looking at seers or saints in relation to the Malegaon blasts. We are not looking at people from a particular community when we question them. We are just detaining people on the basis of evidence. As for Dayanand Pandey, he has proclaimed himself to be a seer. There are a lot of people going around claiming to be saints. Was Swami Aseemanand from Dangs involved in other blasts, including the one at Ajmer, as reports suggest? A reference has been made to his name during the investigations, we cannot divulge much at this stage. These people might not have been seers. Aseemanand could also have taken the garb of a seer. While presenting its case, the ATS said that there was a possibility of those arrested in the Malegaon blasts case also being involved in the blasts that took place in the Marathwada region in 2006. Is there evidence to prove this? Has the ATS been able to link those arrested to other blasts? There are agencies that have been looking at the various links, namely the CBI, which has been looking at the Malegaon blasts of 2006. The link we found is that of Rakesh Dhawre. He is a Pune-based counterfeit arms dealer who was involved in the training that took place for the blasts of 2006. He is the common link between the 2006 blasts including the ones in Purna and Parbhani, and the 2008 Malegaon blasts. Investigating agencies are working on it. There are reports that police officials from other states have been coming to interrogate those arrested by the ATS. Is that true? Yes, police officials from other states have been coming but that’s something which is protocol in such cases. They wanted to know of the modus operandi so that they could figure out if there are similarities to other blasts, in Andhra Pradesh and Chandigarh. What they found out is something only they will be able to tell you. The ATS made a flip-flop on the links of those arrested with the Samjhauta blasts, which raised questions when it found no mention in the remand copy. A lot has been made of the Samjhauta Express statement that was made by the public prosecutor in the case. There was a statement made by the witness that Purohit helped in the procurement of RDX. That was a part of the case diary. It cannot be taken as gospel truth. What was wrong was the mention of the same to the media, although we had said that there is no such evidence of the same. The BJP has targeted the ATS
[GreenYouth] Re: Beena Sarwar on Mumbai attack
2008/11/30 Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Again, core competencies. Still I can suggest a few simple things (amateurish at best): it appears very well manufactured not amateurish 1) Recognize the fact that our Western neighbor do not have our best interests at heart So who has our best interest in their heart? you? 2) Don't bail them out with statements like 'they too are victims of terror'. It is black karma after all. Black karma of the people who died? pal dont fish in muddied waters - people died - dont be a Modi 3) Nothing can get more bizarre than 'a joint mechanism with Pakistan to fight terror'. So Joint mechanism with VHP and LeT to fight terror - you would be highly recoommended fot the top kob 4) More costly it is for them to manufacture terror, less of it will be consumed (simple market dynamics) You are the messiah 5) Last but not least, as Will Durant said, we must love peace, but keep the powder dry as well. where and when did will duramt say this? No regards for a neo-con like you at all in these troubled times Best regards, Murali On Nov 30, 7:37 pm, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have been following the Obama campaign, you might have noticed that one of his important foriegn policy planks was on attacking Pakistan so do tell me how we should deal with the wholesale manufacturers abd merchants of terroryou still have not addressed this and thank goodness that you acknowledge being part of the polity -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: fwd-please go through this
Congrats for successfully taking over the worlddo let us know whether u r
the pinky or the brain
2008/11/30 Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you advocating that we elect Modi as the next PM
No.
Will it be fair for us to assume that you were behind the Mumbai carnage
pal?
Hardly on evidence, my friend. Sorry :) But this seems to be the
'logic' used by many journalists ('eminent' or otherwise).
As a side note, I have been conferencing with one of our clients in
Israel over an issue they have with our product. This started *before*
the attacks. So, in the scheme of things as far as the 'eminent'
journalists is concerned, I too am a co-conspirator in the grand
Jewish conspiracy to take over the world (the Jewish-Brahminist
conspiracy, to be precise). I guess I am risking too much by revealing
this secret liaison.
Best regards,
Murali
On Nov 30, 7:51 pm, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Murali
Are you advocating that we elect Modi as the next PM
Its fascinating how you resurfaced after the Mumbai terror
Will it be fair for us to assume that you were behind the Mumbai carnage
pal?
Best
--
Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/
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[GreenYouth] Re: Beena Sarwar on Mumbai attack
Black Karma as in 'chickens coming home to roost', the chickens being their own black deeds. Please, mate, 'ezhuthaappuram vaayikkaruthe'. As a final note, let me play back one of your own moves: No regards for a neo-con like you at all in these troubled times So you have regards only for those people who landed on the Mumbai shores on hijacked trawlers the other day? All regards for you, mate :) Murali On Nov 30, 8:34 pm, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/30 Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Beena Sarwar on Mumbai attack
i so wish i could respond in your language - but my culture does not allow me to refer to your KarmaBut what else can one expect from a Warrier? Please do not dance on the corpses and I do not think I need to prove my patriotism to you Please refrain from being a Modi - and if you insist on dancing on corpses and asking questions on whether I am with you or with them - classical Bushisms - I have only one answer GET LOST 2008/11/30 Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Black Karma as in 'chickens coming home to roost', the chickens being their own black deeds. Please, mate, 'ezhuthaappuram vaayikkaruthe'. As a final note, let me play back one of your own moves: No regards for a neo-con like you at all in these troubled times So you have regards only for those people who landed on the Mumbai shores on hijacked trawlers the other day? All regards for you, mate :) Murali On Nov 30, 8:34 pm, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/30 Murali K Warier [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] FWDED: Terror in Mumbai: The Unseen and Forgotten Victims
*Hotel Taj : icon of whose India ?* Gnani Sankaran- Tamil writer, Chennai. Watching at least four English news channels surfing from one another during the last 60 hours of terror strike made me feel a terror of another kind. The terror of assaulting one's mind and sensitivity with cameras, sound bites and non-stop blabbers. All these channels have been trying to manufacture my consent for a big lie called - Hotel Taj the icon of India. Whose India, Whose Icon ? It is a matter of great shame that these channels simply did not bother about the other icon that faced the first attack from terrorists - the Chatrapathi Shivaji Terminus (CST) railway station. CST is the true icon of Mumbai. It is through this railway station hundreds of Indians from Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Rajasthan, West Bengal and Tamilnadu have poured into Mumbai over the years, transforming themselves into Mumbaikars and built the Mumbai of today along with the Marathis and Kolis But the channels would not recognise this. Nor would they recognise the thirty odd dead bodies strewn all over the platform of CST. No Barkha dutt went there to tell us who they were. But she was at Taj to show us the damaged furniture and reception lobby braving the guards. And the TV cameras did not go to the government run JJ hospital to find out who those 26 unidentified bodies were. Instead they were again invading the battered Taj to try in vain for a scoop shot of the dead bodies of the page 3 celebrities. In all probability, the unidentified bodies could be those of workers from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh migrating to Mumbai, arriving by train at CST without cell phones and pan cards to identify them. Even after 60 hours after the CST massacre, no channel has bothered to cover in detail what transpired there. The channels conveniently failed to acknowledge that the Aam Aadmis of India surviving in Mumbai were not affected by Taj, Oberoi and Trident closing down for a couple of weeks or months. What mattered to them was the stoppage of BEST buses and suburban trains even for one hour. But the channels were not covering that aspect of the terror attack. Such information at best merited a scroll line, while the cameras have to be dedicated for real time thriller unfolding at Taj or Nariman bhavan. The so called justification for the hype the channels built around heritage site Taj falling down (CST is also a heritage site), is that Hotel Taj is where the rich and the powerful of India and the globe congregate. It is a symbol or icon of power of money and politics, not India. It is the icon of the financiers and swindlers of India. The Mumbai and India were built by the Aam Aadmis who passed through CST and Taj was the oasis of peace and privacy for those who wielded power over these mass of labouring classes. Leopold club and Taj were the haunts of rich spoilt kids who would drive their vehicles over sleeping Aam Aadmis on the pavement, the Mafiosi of Mumbai forever financing the glitterati of Bollywood (and also the terrorists) , Political brokers and industrialists. It is precisely because Taj is the icon of power and not people, that the terrorists chose to strike. The terrorists have understood after several efforts that the Aam Aadmi will never break down even if you bomb her markets and trains. He/she was resilient because that is the only way he/she can even survive. Resilience was another word that annoyed the pundits of news channels and their patrons this time. What resilience, enough is enough, said Pranoy Roy's channel on the left side of the channel spectrum. Same sentiments were echoed by Arnab Goswami representing the right wing of the broadcast media whose time is now. Can Rajdeep be far behind in this game of one upmanship over TRPs ? They all attacked resilience this time. They wanted firm action from the government in tackling terror. The same channels celebrated resilience when bombs went off in trains and markets killing and maiming the Aam Aadmis. The resilience of the ordinary worker suited the rich business class of Mumbai since work or manufacture or film shooting did not stop. When it came to them, the rich shamelessly exhibited their lack of nerves and refused to be resilient themselves. They cry for government intervention now to protect their private spas and swimming pools and bars and restaurants, similar to the way in which Citibank, General Motors and the ilk cry for government money when their coffers are emptied by their own ideologies. The terrorists have learnt that the ordinary Indian is unperturbed by terror. For one whose daily existence itself is a terror of government sponsored inflation and market sponsored exclusion, pain is something he has learnt to live with. The rich of Mumbai and India Inc are facing the pain for the first time and learning about it just as the middle classes of India learnt about violation of human rights only during emergency, a cool 28 years after independence. And human rights
[GreenYouth] Re: FWDED: Terror in Mumbai: The Unseen and Forgotten Victims
Indeed a greatly sensitive writing. Had you provided a link, I could've forwarded this to may others while chatting etc. D.Prasad On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Venugopalan K M [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: *Hotel Taj : icon of whose India ?* Gnani Sankaran- Tamil writer, Chennai. Watching at least four English news channels surfing from one another during the last 60 hours of terror strike made me feel a terror of another kind. The terror of assaulting one's mind and sensitivity with cameras, sound bites and non-stop blabbers. All these channels have been trying to manufacture my consent for a big lie called - Hotel Taj the icon of India. Whose India, Whose Icon ? It is a matter of great shame that these channels simply did not bother about the other icon that faced the first attack from terrorists - the Chatrapathi Shivaji Terminus (CST) railway station. CST is the true icon of Mumbai. It is through this railway station hundreds of Indians from Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Rajasthan, West Bengal and Tamilnadu have poured into Mumbai over the years, transforming themselves into Mumbaikars and built the Mumbai of today along with the Marathis and Kolis But the channels would not recognise this. Nor would they recognise the thirty odd dead bodies strewn all over the platform of CST. No Barkha dutt went there to tell us who they were. But she was at Taj to show us the damaged furniture and reception lobby braving the guards. And the TV cameras did not go to the government run JJ hospital to find out who those 26 unidentified bodies were. Instead they were again invading the battered Taj to try in vain for a scoop shot of the dead bodies of the page 3 celebrities. In all probability, the unidentified bodies could be those of workers from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh migrating to Mumbai, arriving by train at CST without cell phones and pan cards to identify them. Even after 60 hours after the CST massacre, no channel has bothered to cover in detail what transpired there. The channels conveniently failed to acknowledge that the Aam Aadmis of India surviving in Mumbai were not affected by Taj, Oberoi and Trident closing down for a couple of weeks or months. What mattered to them was the stoppage of BEST buses and suburban trains even for one hour. But the channels were not covering that aspect of the terror attack. Such information at best merited a scroll line, while the cameras have to be dedicated for real time thriller unfolding at Taj or Nariman bhavan. The so called justification for the hype the channels built around heritage site Taj falling down (CST is also a heritage site), is that Hotel Taj is where the rich and the powerful of India and the globe congregate. It is a symbol or icon of power of money and politics, not India. It is the icon of the financiers and swindlers of India. The Mumbai and India were built by the Aam Aadmis who passed through CST and Taj was the oasis of peace and privacy for those who wielded power over these mass of labouring classes. Leopold club and Taj were the haunts of rich spoilt kids who would drive their vehicles over sleeping Aam Aadmis on the pavement, the Mafiosi of Mumbai forever financing the glitterati of Bollywood (and also the terrorists) , Political brokers and industrialists. It is precisely because Taj is the icon of power and not people, that the terrorists chose to strike. The terrorists have understood after several efforts that the Aam Aadmi will never break down even if you bomb her markets and trains. He/she was resilient because that is the only way he/she can even survive. Resilience was another word that annoyed the pundits of news channels and their patrons this time. What resilience, enough is enough, said Pranoy Roy's channel on the left side of the channel spectrum. Same sentiments were echoed by Arnab Goswami representing the right wing of the broadcast media whose time is now. Can Rajdeep be far behind in this game of one upmanship over TRPs ? They all attacked resilience this time. They wanted firm action from the government in tackling terror. The same channels celebrated resilience when bombs went off in trains and markets killing and maiming the Aam Aadmis. The resilience of the ordinary worker suited the rich business class of Mumbai since work or manufacture or film shooting did not stop. When it came to them, the rich shamelessly exhibited their lack of nerves and refused to be resilient themselves. They cry for government intervention now to protect their private spas and swimming pools and bars and restaurants, similar to the way in which Citibank, General Motors and the ilk cry for government money when their coffers are emptied by their own ideologies. The terrorists have learnt that the ordinary Indian is unperturbed by terror. For one whose daily existence itself is a terror of government sponsored inflation and market sponsored exclusion, pain is
[GreenYouth] Re: fwd-please go through this
There is some mystery behind Mr Hemant's death . That needs to be investigated . BJP is trying to take advantage of the situation .This needs to be checked . Advani was saying he wanted to go to Rajastan but later decided to come to Mumbai . who called this useless person to mumbai ? --- On Sun, 30/11/08, Venugopalan K M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Venugopalan K M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] fwd-please go through this To: Date: Sunday, 30 November, 2008, 1:17 PM . It is 4AM in India right now. I am in Mumbai reporting from the ground. I have not slept a wink. Mumbai is under attack. People and forces who killed Mahatama Gandhi, who demolished the Babari Mosque have triumphed. More than 16 groups of terrorists have taken over Taj, Oberai and several hotels. Hundreds of people are dead. For the first time no one is blaming Muslim organizations. The Mumbai ATS chief Hemant Karkare and other officers of the ATS have been killed. These were the same people who were investigating the Malegaon Blasts--in which Praggya Singh, an army officer and several other noted personalities of the BJP-RSS-Bajrang Dal-VHP were arrested. Karkare was the man to arrest them. Karkare was receiving threats from several quarters. LK Advani, the BJP chief and several other prominent leaders of the so-called Hindu terrorism squad were gunning for his head. And the first casualty in the terrorist attack was Karkare! He is dead--gone--the firing by terrorists began from Nariman House--which is the only building in Mumbai inhabited by Jews. Some Hindu Gujaratis of the Nariman area spoke live on several TV channels--they openly said that the firing by terrorists began from Nariman house. And that for two years suspicious activities were going on in this house. But no one took notice. Our worst fears have come true. It is clear that Mossad is involved in the whole affair. An entire city has been attacked by Mossad and probably units of mercenaries. It is not possible for one single organization to plan and execute such a sophisticated operation. It is clear that this operation was backed by communal forces from within the Indian State. The Home Minister Shivraj Patil should resign. The RSS-BJP-VHP-Bajrang Dal should be banned. Advani and others ought to be arrested. Today is a day of shame for all Indians and all Hindus. Muslims and secular Hindus have been proven right. RSS type forces and Israel are all involved in not only destabilizing but finishing India. India should immediately snap all relations with Israel. We owe this much to Karkare and the brave ATS men who had shown the courage to arrest Praggya Singh, Raj Kumar Purohit, the army officer and several others. A photograph publushed in Urdu Times, Mumbai, clearly shows that Mossad and ex-Mossad men came to India and met Sadhus and other pro-Hindutva elements recently. A conspiracy was clearly hatched. This is a moment of reckoning especially for Hindus of India. The killers of Gandhi have struck again.. If we are true Sanatanis and true Hindus and true nationalists and true patriots we have to see this act as a clear attack by anti-national deshdrohi forces. Praggya Singh, Advani and the entire brand is anti-national. They ought to be shot. Any Hindu siding with them is hereafter warned of serious consequences. This is a question of nationalism. If no one else, the Indian army will not take this lying down. Communal, anti-national forces have attacked the very foundation of the Indian constitution and the nation. We will fight a civil war if need be against the pro-Hindutva, communal forces and their Israeli backers. Amaresh Misra Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta.cricket.yahoo.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Raj Thackre - The King of Mumbai
I think we need to get in touch with Airtel office and get raj thackerey's number . He is missing somewhere . I was there is mumbai during 2006 july floods . most of the people who participated in rehabilitaion works were from south or north of india . one of my colleage (an RSS person) flew to pune , his native , the same day . --- On Sat, 29/11/08, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Fwd: Raj Thackre - The King of Mumbai To: green youth greenyouth@googlegroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, 29 November, 2008, 1:27 PM -- Forwarded message -- Check this out! This for those elements of our world who consider themselves saviours and messaiahs. --- These messages are for Raj Bhaiyya – of Aamchi Mumbai… 1) Please send me Raj Thackeray's number, if you can find it. I don't know where he is when we need him. We want him to go and save 'Amchi Mumbai' along with his MNS (Maharashtra Navnirman Sena) men. After all they are the 'sons of the soil', aren't they? The army, the commandos who are right now battling to save Mumbai are not all 'Marathi Manoos', are they? I wonder why they should risk their lives for us! From - Shveta Salve (Actor) 2) Where is Raj Thackrey ? Terll him that 200 NSG commandos from Delhi (all north Indians) being sent to fight the terrorist. So that he can sleep peacefully. 3) Mr. Raj its easy said then done – why are you hiding in your fence, why are you scared, you claim to be powerful with ofcoarse your sena, where are you Sir? Now where are your emotions when Marathi manoos with others are dying in Mumbai. Mr. Karekar, Mr. Kamathe, Mr. Salasekar have died why didn't your army come to save them – they were Marathi after all. Bhasan giving is easy , you are also one of the mujaheedin who only can control others mind and make them do violence – why didn't you fight with your local terror army with foreign terrorist Beating north Indians was a bad bad decision – now army which has more of bhaiyaa's and punjabi's and others are helping my City……… If you have some senses and mind left – stop harming innocents others and work on something constructive Sirji ab toh bahar aaiye apne ghonsle se Sr. Thackre is also absconding On 1st dec 08 don't do bandh after behaving cowardly like this Sr Jr. Thackre sahib. The above are few of the messages sent out by Mumbaikars for their favourite Jr. Thackrey. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Raj Thackre - The King of Mumbai
well, this is going too far. I know of several marathis who helped along with others during 2006 floods. I'm sure you'd agree that Mumbai is a big city and there may be pockets that you couldn't oversee rehab work happening?? On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:49 PM, sreenivas v.p [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I think we need to get in touch with Airtel office and get raj thackerey's number . He is missing somewhere . I was there is mumbai during 2006 july floods . most of the people who participated in rehabilitaion works were from south or north of india . one of my colleage (an RSS person) flew to pune , his native , the same day . --- On *Sat, 29/11/08, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Fwd: Raj Thackre - The King of Mumbai To: green youth greenyouth@googlegroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, 29 November, 2008, 1:27 PM -- Forwarded message -- *Check this out! This for those elements of our world who consider themselves saviours and messaiahs. * ** * --- * ** *These messages are for Raj Bhaiyya – of Aamchi Mumbai…* * * 1) Please send me Raj Thackeray's number, if you can find it. I don't know where he is when we need him. We want him to go and save 'Amchi Mumbai' along with his MNS (Maharashtra Navnirman Sena) men. After all they are the 'sons of the soil', aren't they? The army, the commandos who are right now battling to save Mumbai are not all 'Marathi Manoos', are they? I wonder why they should risk their lives for us! *From - Shveta Salve* (Actor) 2) Where is Raj Thackrey ? Terll him that 200 NSG commandos from Delhi (all north Indians) being sent to fight the terrorist. So that he can sleep peacefully. 3) Mr. Raj its easy said then done – why are you hiding in your fence, why are you scared, you claim to be powerful with ofcoarse your sena, where are you Sir? Now where are your emotions when Marathi manoos with others are dying in Mumbai. Mr. Karekar, Mr. Kamathe, Mr. Salasekar have died why didn't your army come to save them – they were Marathi after all. Bhasan giving is easy , you are also one of the mujaheedin who only can control others mind and make them do violence – why didn't you fight with your local terror army with foreign terrorist Beating north Indians was a bad bad decision – now army which has more of bhaiyaa's and punjabi's and others are helping my City……… If you have some senses and mind left – stop harming innocents others and work on something constructive Sirji ab toh bahar aaiye apne ghonsle se Sr. Thackre is also absconding On 1st dec 08 don't do bandh after behaving cowardly like this Sr Jr. Thackre sahib. * * *The above are few of the messages sent out by Mumbaikars for their favourite Jr. Thackrey. * * * -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ -- Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: FWDED: Terror in Mumbai: The Unseen and Forgotten Victims
well this is what was inside the brain of the commen man. thanx for giving proper words to their voices --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: FWDED: Terror in Mumbai: The Unseen and Forgotten Victims
Let me add a point here: The complete disregard of the media in covering CST and the media's obsession with the Rich and the powerful icons as indicated in the article is all true. The structure of Taj, Trident and its obvious connection with WTC and depiction of Nariman house on account of jewish victims- the media could cerate phantasmagoria of terror as seen in a post-9/11 hollwood movie. This what to my eyes and sensitivity were excessive. But this does not extinguish the fact the terrorism exists and anyone is vulnerable to terror acts and moreover in the domain of human rights, the rich, business class and the jews are also included. D.Prasad On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:46 PM, m4nish arya [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: well this is what was inside the brain of the commen man. thanx for giving proper words to their voices --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: [humanrights-movement:904] Mumbai Massacre: Joint Statement from Pakistan-India
-- Forwarded message -- From: Sukla Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED] This Joint Statement was released to the press simultaneously in Pakistan and India on November 30 2008. *Mumbai bloodbath* We are deeply shocked and horrified at the bloody mayhem in Mumbai, which has claimed more than a hundred and ninty lives and caused grievous injuries to several hundred people, besides sending a wave of panic and terror across South Asia and beyond. We convey our profound feelings of sorrow and sympathies to the grieving families of the unfortunate victims of this heinous crime and express our solidarity with them. As usual, all sorts of speculations are circulating about the identity of the perpetrators of this act of barbarism. The truth about who are directly involved in this brutal incident and who could be the culprits behind the scene is yet to come out and we do not wish to indulge in any guesswork or blame game at this point. However, one is intrigued at its timing. Can it be termed a coincidence that it has happened on the day the Home Secretaries of the two countries concluded their talks in Islamabad and announced several concrete steps to move forward in the peace process, such as the opening of several land routes for trade – Kargil, Wagah-Attari, Khokhropar etc –, relaxation in the visa regime, a soft and liberal policy on the issue of release of prisoners and joint efforts to fight terrorism? Again, is it just a coincidence that on this fateful day the Foreign Minister of Pakistan was in the Indian capital holding very useful and productive talks with his Indian counterpart? One thing looks crystal clear. The enemies of peace and friendship between the two countries, whatever be the label under which they operate, are un-nerved by these healthy developments and are hell bent on torpedoing them. We are of the considered opinion that the continued absence of peace in South Asia - peace between and within states - particularly in relation to India and Pakistan , is one of the root causes of most of the miseries the people of the region are made to endure. It is the major reason why our abundantly resource-rich subcontinent is wallowing in poverty, unemployment, disease, and ignorance and why militarism, religious and sectarian violence and political, economic and social injustice are eating into the very vitals of our societies, even after more than six decades of independence from colonial rule. At this moment of unmitigated tragedy, the first thing we call upon the Governments of India and Pakistan to do is to acknowledge the fact that the overwhelming majority of the people of India and Pakistan ardently desire peace and, therefore, the peace process must be pursued with redoubled speed and determination on both sides. The sooner the ruling establishments of India and Pakistan acknowledge this fact and push ahead with concrete steps towards lasting peace and harmony in the subcontinent, the better it will be not only for the people of our two countries but also for the whole of South Asia and the world. While the immediate responsibility for unmasking the culprits of Mumbai and taking them to task surely rests with the Government of India, all of us in South Asia have an obligation to join hands and go into the root causes of why and how such forces of evil are motivated and emboldened to resort to such acts of anti-people terror. It is extremely important to remind the leaderships of Pakistan and India that issuing statements and signing agreements and declarations will have meaning only when they are translated into action and implemented honestly, in letter and spirit and without any further loss of time. It assumes added urgency in the prevailing conditions in South Asia , with the possibility that so many different forces prone to religious, sectarian and other forms of intolerance and violence may be looking for ways to arm themselves with more and more sophisticated weapons of mass murder and destruction. The bloodbath in Mumbai must open the eyes of our governments, if it has not already happened. We urge upon the governments of India and Pakistan to immediately take the following steps: 1. Cessation of all hostile propaganda against each other; 2. Joint action to curb religious extremism of all shades in both countries; 3. Continue and intensify normalization of relations and peaceful resolution of all conflicts between the two countries; 4. Facilitation of trade and cooperation between the two countries and in all of South Asia . We welcome the fact that the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad and Poonch-Rawlakot borders have been opened for trade and that the opening of the road between Kargil and Skardu is in the pipeline. 5. Immediate abolition of the current practice of issuing city-specific and police reporting visa and issue country-valid visa without restrictions at arrival point, simultaneously initiating necessary steps to
