Re: [h-cost] theater opera costumes in general
Yes, I think sometimes a history play is costumed as a later period to make the audience aware of the similarities with the political situation in an era that they're more familiar with (if that makes sense). I remember enjoying the BBC TV Shakespeare production of All's Well that Ends Well set in the mid-17th century, with beautiful Vermeer-like interiors and military scenes based on paintings of the period. The only opera I've seen in modern dress was a production of Aida at the Brighton Festival, with the male leads in modern military uniform. Radames rather spoiled the effect by wearing his Sam Browne belt incorrectly! I can understand Bjarne's disappointment, but, as AlbertCat points out, should correct dress for Monteverdi be authentic classical costume or a reproduction of Baroque theatrical costume? Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/11/2005 04:42 Mmm, I'm always impressed by McKellen's Richard III set in a 1930s dictatorship, -C. That's a very strange notion to take a HISTORY and put it in ANOTHER PERIOD. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT - pin cushion
I think sheeps wool is the best stuff for stuffing, has enough natural oil to allow pins and needles to slide in and out easily, and keeps the pins and needles from rusting as well. Fiber fill seems to stop pins from sliding into the cushion a lot of times, but wool doesn't do this. our ancestors used fine saw dust also. Kitty ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] dates of knitted mitt, and vest?
the child's knitted vest and mitten, not a set as I remember, are 1300's. (Dated from the context of the dig.) However, I will be making proper notes next week and will pass them on. The BBC has these as 1500's: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4457602.stm assuming these are the same knitted mitten and vest you saw, Suzi, and not a different set. Also, if these are, the vest is knitted?!? I can't tell that from the photograph, and that (16th cen, let alone 14th!) would be excitingly early for a knitted body-garment! Stephanie __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Plays and operas in different periods
For me, a professional costume designer as well as a costume designer in education, it is always more fun to place a well-known play in a different period that the period in which it was written. But I speak selfishly. It needs to be made clear, here that it works best with well-known classics such as Shakespeare, Moliere, or the Greek and Roman plays. If the theme relates well to a different time in history, then it seems to work very well. Even the Shakespearean plays weren't placed in period at their time but in a curious mismash of the Elizabethan interpretation of, say, Roman with Renaissance interpretation including doublets and hose. And I think a play or opera from the Baroque period would be great fun if it was designed in the style of the opera costumes of Baroque period, although, as it was pointed out previously, those weren't period, either, but appear rather strange to the contemporary eye. I have a British director that I design for who always insists on the period, Darling, of course, without considering the possibilities. So we've had a Macbeth in 12th century or so Scotland (fun, anyway because the research was so much fun plus, given that we built 90% of the show a pretty easy time due to the T-shape construction methods of the time). She wanted Hamlet in the period, Darling, but the budget and time constraints wouldn't have allowed for it, so she was talked into an Erte look with Early Jacobean touches. That said, some of the most fun I have had as a designer have been the following plays placed out of period: Romeo and Juliet-French Directoire Measure for Measure-Antebellum New Orleans As You Like It-1960's Hippies vs. Jet Setters Taming of the Shrew-California Gold Rush Pericles-Vague Gypsy Midsummer Night's Dream-An all white court in Renaissance Doublets for the men, pseudo-Greek draperies for the ladies and a host of Punk-inspired fairies (sounds dreadful, but worked very well) I also recall a Tempest at Yale back in the '70's which took place on Mars, a Measure for Measure at the Royal Shakespeare in Stratford set in the 18th Century (wonderful production), and a very bad Twelfth Night at the Young Vic set in the 1930's (it wasn't the costumes which made it bad, it was the stage direction) And I'm sure there are many more that skip my mind as I rattle off this email. Sometimes it's done because time and budget constraints don't allow for the actual period, sometimes because the director wants to visit the play in a new play. After it's all over and done, the question to ask is did the chosen play/opera/ballet support the playwright's, etc. original vision? If it didn't, then I would say the choice is not particularly successful. Long post, between bread (rising), pies (in the oven) and stuffing (next on my list) Happy Thanksgiving to all of the Americans on this list, and Peace on Earth to all of us. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re:Tudor Costumes
This isn't my period per se, but something jumped out at me in this group of sources you have listed. I don't know if you listed them together for the same reason they caught my attention, however I thought I would make the observation. Most of these women are quite pregnant. That I suspect explains the closure oddities. Forgive me for jumping in part way into this thread, I haven't been following it. I have Alcega, which Fat woman pattern do you want - there are several. Frankly, they look no different than the not-fat woman patterns. I think its accounting for greater fabric usage, nothing more. The major difference between a large woman and a regular woman, for the most part anyway, is the depth of the armscye. I think most plus women have regular frames which makes their shoulders narrow, but the larger girth (as much as I hate that word in this context) makes it harder to get those curves to meet up. Often I will buy a shirt pattern that fits my shoulders and add in the extra from bust to hip so that the critical fitting is already done. I could be completely off base from the intended topic, so I digress. Interestingly though, because they are pregnant, the lacing is quite wide and appears to be that ladder lacing well known amongst the later era Venetians. One has to wonder if this is the genesis for that style? Having a slightly opened bodice showing the lacing and chemise, suggesting fertility? That style of bodice closure appears in Venice not long after their first round with the plague, they employed any number of visual illusions to imply ample fecundity right about that time. Kathy That's why I was really interested to see the Alcega layout for a fat woman. Here's what I've found so far for depictions of fastening: Front of overgown tied shut, no depiction of undergown fastening, but is not front-fastened Elizabeth Dauncey, 1526-8, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/dauncey.jpg Cecilia Heron, 1527, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/cecilia.jpg Margaret Grigg, 1527, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/holb5.jpg More Family, 1527, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/morefamily.jpg More Family, 1593 copy, http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/moregirls.jpg ItÂ’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Apparently the 1990's are Now Considered Period Costume
Ooh yeah! Let's start complaining about anachronistic low-rise jeans ! Jean Karen R Bergquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/magazine/20style_90s.html#articleBodyLi nk ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Apparently the 1990's are Now Considered Period Costume
1990s are vintage? At least it means most of us can dress in real authentic vintage just by mining the back of the closet. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Vintage Clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Karen R Bergquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/magazine/20style_90s.html#articleBodyLi nk ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: theater opera costumes in general
I just think that period designs have as much a chance at being awful and irrelevant as modern designs. Of course they do - bad design is just bad design. Just as good design is good design, whether period or modern. (as an aside, my college costume tutor used to tell a wonderful story about how she'd put bias cut panels into a boned bodice for an opera (the theory being that it would make it easier to take a big breath) when she was a student, and her tutor, (Janet Arnold, no less), made her take it apart and start again, because 'it's wrong, and if you're going to make it historically you should make it properly'.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Apparently the 1990's are Now Considered Period Costume
In a message dated 11/24/2005 3:49:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ooh yeah! Let's start complaining about anachronistic low-rise jeans ! Hahahaha! Or black clothes! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] victorian corset with too short busk
In a message dated 11/24/2005 7:47:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jean Hunnisett would use hooks and eyes at the top of a short busk, *** I put it at the bottom, because if there is a crinkle or lump there because of it, it ends up under the petticoat and skirt. [I might put it at the top for Bustle or later, since there's usually some fru-fru or buttons around the bust area in those periods and the hip area might be fitted and smooth.] I just run a bone long enough to go from top to bottom right next to the busk. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] I am new!
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