Re: [h-cost] RE: French and Spanish headdresses
I wonder if the head jewelry is what evolved from the French hood. It's entirely possible it's related to the billments seen on the edge of a french hood. I haven't noted how early it appear in Spain as the arrangement also appears over there. Maria of Austria has a similar arrangement but is worn over a style of headdress peculiar to the region and time. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/326 - Release Date: 27/04/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: SCA sumptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewelery
We're not talking historical sumptuary restrictions in this case, we're talking SCA sumptuary restrictions. shrugs I'm not sure, but there may be some who assume you had sworn fealty to the Crown as they are given in token of such a thing. Then again, all s's should keep you save, it's the f's you need to worry about;) Again, it's down to what's written as 'law' (in game, not the real world) what is custom, and how much you are willing to just go out there and do your thing. I have a belt of S's in silver which I put together to make an item similar to a chain of office. I've gone later in the century (1560s) so it's not really suitable for my German Garb any more;) Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/326 - Release Date: 27/04/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt.
Hi Fran, Oh yes if you dont have this, you will love it, full of drawings two of rare examples of clothing. Mens 17th 18th Century Costume, Cut Fashion Patterns for Men´s Costumes. R.I. Davis Players Press. ISBN 0-88734-637-5 Many greetings. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: I just got the book 17th and 18th century mens fashions and patterns cut, wich is highly apreciated, with many many ideas to make, What is the formal title of this book, the author, and publisher (so I can buy it if I don't have it)? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] The Libertine
Hi, I nust noticed a small advert about a moovie comming to Denmark called The Libertine Have any here seen it? What period is it? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] The Libertine
Story of John Wilmot 2nd Earl of Rochester. Lived at the time of King Charles the second of England. 17th century, Restoration period. It was suppose to have come out in March of 2005 but I must have missed it. -Original Message- Hi, I nust noticed a small advert about a moovie comming to Denmark called The Libertine Have any here seen it? What period is it? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] DaVinci Code Claims of Truth (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358)
I haven't read said book of this discussion, but I have read The Last Temptation of Christ (by Nicholas Katzenzakis)There seem to be some parallel bits especially about Christ's relationship with Mary Magdalene. When this book was published it was banned by the Church and was horrific to many. With all the hype the DVC is getting I pause to wonder why the alternate theory of History is making such waves now. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Sharon L. Krossa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] DaVinci Code Claims of Truth (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358) At 10:58 AM -0700 4/27/06, Onaree Berard wrote: Just curious, when did Dan Brown claim to DaVinci Code was true. He has repeatedly asserted that although the main characters and the specific plot involving them are fictitious, the background history is true (not only the marriage and offspring of Mary Magdalene and Jesus, but the two millennia long competing conspiracies to cover up and to preserve this knowledge, including the Priory of Sion, the supposed clues in artwork, etc.) I listened to the unabridged audio book and it seemed like an author who took some facts, some legends, a few other theories tweeked to taste and shook well to create an interesting *story*. He explicitly claims -- in both interviews and also in text published in the book with the text of the novel -- as facts things that are not only not facts, but demonstrably untrue, and generally by various means actively encourages people to believe that what is presented in the novel as history/facts are indeed history/facts. I couldn't figure out why so many people were trying to prove/debunk it. Because so many other people are believing things are true based on having read it in a novel. To me it was like trying to prove/debunk Tarzan or Sherlock Holmes. If everyone treated it like it was Tarzan -- or rather, if everyone treated it like it was Star Wars -- no one would bother trying to debunk it. But people aren't treating it like Star Wars, they're treating it like a history book, with the sole exception of the immediate plot and its main characters. That is, things Brown presents in the novel as history many people are believing as history. They're using a novel as if it were a source of reliable historical information. Thus, the need for debunking, to clearly demonstrate that novels are novels, not reliable history books. Now, Brown would be blameless in this -- like George Lucus is blameless for those few who really think there is a galaxy far, far away where Ewoks lived -- if he didn't himself actively encourage people to misuse his novel by claiming the history in it really is true. Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] DaVinci Code Claims of Truth (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358)
I haven't read said book of this discussion, but I have read The Last Just curious, when did Dan Brown claim to DaVinci Code was true. I did read the Da Vinci Code, not a bad airport novel but too wound up in it's own mythology, I thought. The Jesus-had-decendants theory has been around for years and was most prominently layed out in Holy Blood, Holy Grail byt Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln, subject of the recent copyright lawsuit with Brown. Well worth a read and includes report of an interview the authors had with the alleged direct decendant of Jesus and Magdaline. Fir my money, 24 hours in the Vatican Library and the chance to read the 5 missing Gospels would be fun, -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: French and Spanish headdresses Re: SCA sumptuary laws Re:
lots of cool links snipped http://www.artnet.com/PDB/PublicLotDetails.aspx?lot_id=424319628page=1 Funny what you find.. this is just nifty so I'm popping it on the end here;) Michaela de Bruce == To many temptations for one morning Thanks Michaela :). Catherine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Libertine
I haven't seen it--it was at a nearby megaplex but stayed only a week--of course I WILL, if only to see Johnny Depp in full Restoration rig! As to Wilmot having wasted his talents, though, I have to object: there's that hugely obscene play he wrote, and then of course he's part of the original circle of CRIBBAGE-players (was it John Suckling who invented it for the pleasure of Charles, or did John Wilmot himself invent it? can't recall). Cribbage got me through grad school and was the vehicle for my meeting some really great lobstermen one night in a Boothbay Harbor bar --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -Original Message- From: Marie Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 28, 2006 8:15 AM To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Libertine I have seen it. It is not having a wide distribution, look for it at an art theater. I'm not qulaified to comment on the costuming its outside of my realm of comfort. But the overall feel of the movie was muddy. Interesting film. Not so much IMO a story of sensuality, as a story of how a man wasted his talents. Mari On 4/28/06, otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Story of John Wilmot 2nd Earl of Rochester. Lived at the time of King Charles the second of England. 17th century, Restoration period. It was suppose to have come out in March of 2005 but I must have missed it. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Fabric Resources
It looks like I will be helping a local community theater costume Moliere's The Miser. I've worked with this director once before, he would like a period look and respects my attempts to be as authentic as possible for the chosen era (18thC) That being said, since I will be relying on family members of the cast for some of the costume construction I will probably be resorting to some of Butterick's patterns (#4315 4317) to get these made. So, I would like to try to get the fabric as authentic as possible. My 'eye' however is more trained for 16th C and earlier. Does anyone have suggestions for a couple of books I could use to browse through to get a feel for fabrics and patterns for this era? Thanks, Catherine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Migration Era books was Re: New MCT Book
Cathy, I would certainly be interested in your list! Beth At 05:07 AM 4/28/2006, you wrote: I can certainly come up with a list, but I'd probably forget some of the 16th C ones as they are less interesting to me personally. On the other hand, you may not care about some of the Migration Era/Anglo-Saxon/Viking era books I just bought, or am currently lusting after. :-) - Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Robin Netherton/GFD and other lectures
Yes! That is it. Thank you. I love that dress and hope to make one like it - next year -when all the wedding stuff is done and I've had time to breathe and play in some of my other hobbies. Annette M (soon to be T) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:44:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robin Netherton/GFD and other lectures To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Kahlara wrote: Wow, they were great. Very informative. I am sure she has saved me a lot of time, frustration and money. I'm glad I put off making my dress until after I went to the lectures. It also helped me narrow the period of everyone else's clothing, as most of the women have picked a variation of the GFD already! I'm so happy to hear this! I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures. The camera hates me and I have become used to that; every professional photographer I've been worked with has commented on it. (And people have been known to blurt out on first meeting, Wow, you look so much better than your pictures!) As long as I think they aren't misleading about the costumes, though, and they don't break any copyright laws, I'll be happy for you to post them after I've seen them. Robin - there was one painting you used for reference that depicted several sleeve types, including a woman kneeling in the background wearing a dark blue gown with white tippets. What is that painting/illumination? and is it easily found either online or in a book somewhere? I had a lot of sleeve examples, but only one I can think of with a kneeling woman with tippets; that would be the April calendar page from the Tres Riches Heures: http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/april.jpg Is that it? I believe this is the latest example, by far, that I've seen of tippets, which were out of fashion by a decade or two at the time of this painting (about 1410-15). It may be that this was a deliberate reference to a known person known to the patron (e.g. an older family member shown in her youth, or someone who had died earlier). I've never seen anyone discuss it, and I suspect that a costume archaism of a generation or less goes unnoticed by most art historians. --Robin - Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c.
It looks like I will be helping a local community theater costume Moliere's The Miser. I've worked with this director once before, he would like a period look and respects my attempts to be as authentic as possible for the chosen era (18thC) That being said, since I will be relying on family members of the cast for some of the costume construction I will probably be resorting to some of Butterick's patterns (#4315 4317) to get these made. So, I would like to try to get the fabric as authentic as possible. My 'eye' however is more trained for 16th C and earlier. Does anyone have suggestions for a couple of books I could use to browse through to get a feel for fabrics and patterns for this era? I just picked up the book Dangerous Liaisons: Fashion and Furniture in the 18th Century and it has page after page of paintings and real clothing from the time period. It was put out by the Met and (this is the best part) has multiple views of some outfits. Surprisingly it was only $30 but you may also be able to borrow a copy or get it through interlibrary loan. The Kyoto costume book (Fashion: The Collection of the Kyoto Costume Institute) also has many examples of real clothing from that time period. And I think that they are having a 25th anniversary sale right now so all the books are even more reasonably priced than normal. If you can borrow or buy this book, it is a great fashion reference for 18th century through the present. Good luck with your project! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net Everything for the Costumer Become the change you want to see in the world. --Ghandi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources
Wish I was home for you to browse my books, Catherine - for female attire Silk Designs of the Eighteenth Century - Natalie Rothstein ISBN 0-8212-1812-3 comes to mind as well as the VA Museum's Textile ollection - woven textile design in Britian to 1750 ISBN 1-55859-849-9 but there are many more - Fashion in Detail - both Art of Dress books... Dang it I have at least a half doz books you could check out - if you have no luck contact me off line and I'll scan some stuff for you Sarah - Original Message - It looks like I will be helping a local community theater costume Moliere's The Miser. I've worked with this director once before, he would like a period look and respects my attempts to be as authentic as possible for the chosen era (18thC) That being said, since I will be relying on family members of the cast for some of the costume construction I will probably be resorting to some of Butterick's patterns (#4315 4317) to get these made. So, I would like to try to get the fabric as authentic as possible. My 'eye' however is more trained for 16th C and earlier. Does anyone have suggestions for a couple of books I could use to browse through to get a feel for fabrics and patterns for this era? Thanks, Catherine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources
Hi, I would recomend you to get Nathalie Rothstein: Silk Designs of the Eighteenth Century with a complete catalogue. Huge book i have and its one of my favourites. Nest would be Lady of Fashion Barbara Johnsons Albums of Fashions and Styles. I am a little disapointed with this book, as i think the fabrics are rather dull and the colours are very very depressive. The third is on its way to me from Amazon, its Toilles de Joy. Printed linnens from the famous french factory.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Catherine Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Resources It looks like I will be helping a local community theater costume Moliere's The Miser. I've worked with this director once before, he would like a period look and respects my attempts to be as authentic as possible for the chosen era (18thC) That being said, since I will be relying on family members of the cast for some of the costume construction I will probably be resorting to some of Butterick's patterns (#4315 4317) to get these made. So, I would like to try to get the fabric as authentic as possible. My 'eye' however is more trained for 16th C and earlier. Does anyone have suggestions for a couple of books I could use to browse through to get a feel for fabrics and patterns for this era? Thanks, Catherine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt.
Yes, I have it, but thanks! Fran Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi Fran, Oh yes if you dont have this, you will love it, full of drawings two of rare examples of clothing. Mens 17th 18th Century Costume, Cut Fashion Patterns for Men´s Costumes. R.I. Davis Players Press. ISBN 0-88734-637-5 Many greetings. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: I just got the book 17th and 18th century mens fashions and patterns cut, wich is highly apreciated, with many many ideas to make, What is the formal title of this book, the author, and publisher (so I can buy it if I don't have it)? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Fabric Resources
Thank you everyone for the references! I remember some discussion about the Dangerous Liasons book but hadn't noted it down at the time. We have a pretty good Interlibrary Loan system so I am going to give it a try first (altho your books are only one of the reasons I wish you still lived around here Sarah :) ). Onward to a new century! Catherine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] DaVinci Code Claims of Truth (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358)
Sharon Wrote: Now, Brown would be blameless in this -- like George Lucas is blameless for those few who really think there is a galaxy far, far away where Ewoks lived -- if he didn't himself actively encourage people to misuse his novel by claiming the history in it really is true. ** But...then he would not sell as many books and make tons of money on the movie and What part of this would stop YOU from pushing your book? It is all about the oh might dollar this is his business, so whether Mr. Brown believes or not his hype is selling his book and people are buying it. In 5 years he could recant his words of today...but he would still be a very wealthy man. My husband is reading the book now and has asked me several times about points I know more about, and I have told him it is not what I have studied. It is a fictional book. Sadly it is more a point of our culture that we could go out and actually learn but instead a guy we don't know writes a fictional book and we learn history via it. Cilean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] The Libertine
John Suckling was alleged to have invented cribbage by his biographer. John Wilmot was a part of an artist group that was said to be called the Merry Gang. -Original Message- I haven't seen it--it was at a nearby megaplex but stayed only a week--of course I WILL, if only to see Johnny Depp in full Restoration rig! As to Wilmot having wasted his talents, though, I have to object: there's that hugely obscene play he wrote, and then of course he's part of the original circle of CRIBBAGE-players (was it John Suckling who invented it for the pleasure of Charles, or did John Wilmot himself invent it? can't recall). Cribbage got me through grad school and was the vehicle for my meeting some really great lobstermen one night in a Boothbay Harbor bar --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c.
In a message dated 4/28/2006 12:44:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surprisingly it was only $30 but you may also be able to borrow a copy or get it through interlibrary loan. Less than $14 on Amazon! Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/28/2006 12:44:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surprisingly it was only $30 but you may also be able to borrow a copy or get it through interlibrary loan. Less than $14 on Amazon! Ann Wass Dangerous Liaisons : Fashion and Furniture in the Eighteenth Century (Metropolitan Museum of Art Publications) Is there a good selection of men's clothing in this book, or is it strictly women's gowns? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian
This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as circa 1895. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c.
Hi Dawn, I dont know about this, my copy is on its way. Good book i would recomend with mens fashions is: Klæder for tid och evighet by Lena Rangstrøm, swedish, but gorgeous pictures of real mens costumes. Also Modelejon ( Fashion Lions) ditto swedish. A good american book with lots of fashionable mens costumes would be: What Clothes Reveal from Colonial Williamsburg. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/28/2006 12:44:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surprisingly it was only $30 but you may also be able to borrow a copy or get it through interlibrary loan. Less than $14 on Amazon! Ann Wass Dangerous Liaisons : Fashion and Furniture in the Eighteenth Century (Metropolitan Museum of Art Publications) Is there a good selection of men's clothing in this book, or is it strictly women's gowns? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c.
In a message dated 4/28/2006 12:44:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surprisingly it was only $30 but you may also be able to borrow a copy or get it through interlibrary loan. Less than $14 on Amazon! Did ya *HAVE* to tell me that? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net Everything for the Costumer Become the change you want to see in the world. --Ghandi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/28/2006 12:44:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surprisingly it was only $30 but you may also be able to borrow a copy or get it through interlibrary loan. Less than $14 on Amazon! Ann Wass Dangerous Liaisons : Fashion and Furniture in the Eighteenth Century (Metropolitan Museum of Art Publications) Is there a good selection of men's clothing in this book, or is it strictly women's gowns? There are both men's and women's. I don't have it in front of me right now but I know that there was at least 30% men's stuff Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net Everything for the Costumer Become the change you want to see in the world. --Ghandi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian
I love the mid-90's, the skirt on this pattern seems slightly later, like maybe a year or three, than the bodice in shape; but maybe it's just the trim making it look more flared than it actually is. I would recommend, as a similar pattern, perhaps with fewer shortcuts/adaptations for the mass market, the Patterns of History Pattern from the State Historical Society of Wisconsin: http://shop.wisconsinhistory.org/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=22idproduct=279 It is a nice pattern, I've made it a couple of times. The first time I made it, it was chosen for a set of bridesmaids, but the bride went on vacation before the dresses were made and the maids chose other dresses on their own. The bride did go ahead and have me make one dress for her. Katy On 4/28/06, Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as circa 1895. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Simplicity 4156 - Victorian
One problem that can cause droopy sleeve puffs is that the shoulders might be a little too wide, the sleeves should start more on the shoulder rather than at or after the turn of the shoulder, that helps keep them from drooping. I also wonder if the model's shoulders are sloping or her neck is quite long. One TV show that really got 90's bodices right was The Bramwell series on PBS a few years ago. I am in the process of creating a webpage for 1890's day wear. http://www.vintagevictorian.com/costume_1890d_det.html The page is in its very early stages of construction so it has no descriptions yet and it is not linked on the library menu. The first image, the colored plate, has a green suit which is reminiscent of the Simplicity pattern. It is from 1896. The 1896 skirt seems more A-line and less flared than the Simplicity skirt. But the skirt is not too far off, I'd like to see the shaping of the pattern pieces. Katy On 4/28/06, Onaree Berard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it me or are the sleeves -- droopy? Weren't the leg-o-mutton (I think that was the term for really large puffs on the sleeves with it going tight on the rest of the arm) puffs on the sleeves padded or stiffened and came about level with the woman's ears? Onaree On 4/28/06, Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as circa 1895. Dawn -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: MCT Amazon...
This is a truly EVIL site. Doesn't take your paycheck in little nibbles. Takes your entire book budget in big gulps! However when you get them and whisper mine, My Precious! all mine! you tend to forget until the pain of the Credit Card comes through. Be sure and look at what else he has in foreign language books. Even with the Prices (capitol P) it's worth it! Regina Janet, do you by any chance have Moda a Firenze in stock? susan No, getting foreign language books is really difficult. I'd recommend ordering it here http://www.artbooks.com/wc.dll?AB~home~cart=0 although I see he's raised his price some since the last time I contemplated ordering it. Janet ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
