RE: [h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE TUDORS ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING
Catherine of Aragon had taffy colored hair. The mistake most people make is seeing that very crude painting of her in a gable headdress. In that, what looks like her hair is really part of the fabric of the hood. You can see a tiny bit of her blonde hair at the peak of the gable. There is a much better portrait of her, made when she was younger. In it, she is indeed lovely. And, in order for a child to have red hair, she/he must get the recessive gene from both parents. It is interesting to note in the drawing of Anne by Holbein, there is a bit of color--her hair, which he colored a soft red. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE TUDORS ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING Elizabeth is suppose to have gotten her red hair from her Daddy. :) Which Katherine are you talking about? Katherine of Aragon was suppose to have been a brunette. I have no clue about Katherine Parr. -Original Message- In looking at the pictures of Anne Boleyn, I noticed that some show her with reddish hair, and some with darker. I also noticed that what I at first took to be hair, was actually a dark part of her headdress. Which makes sense, because Elizabeth was a redhead. -Original Message- I wish they'd get the freakin' hair colors right! Both Katherine and Henry were reddish-blonde! Not brunette...! That is s easy to deal with! And once again they have Katherine as gaunt - she was plump! Look at the portraiture! *(^*%^$^*(! -Brenna ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE TUDORS ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING
-Original Message- Catherine of Aragon had taffy colored hair. The mistake most people make is seeing that very crude painting of her in a gable headdress. De: Actually no, I was not basing it on that portrait but on the belief that she was of Spain and the brunette to black being the prominent hair color. Actually, Katherine of Aragon was relatively dark blonde/reddish when she was younger, but she got darker as she got older, although even in that famous miniature (where she looks so dumpy), her hair still isn't what I'd think of as Spanish black. I found both portraits on the web here: http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/aragon.html De: There has been debate over whether this portrait is truly Catherine of Aragon. The halo is one reason some believe that it is not CA. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Elizabethan gowns
Dear List I have just been asked by a dancer in our historical dance group if she can embroider the front of her bodice of her 1580s Elizabethan Gown, upper class. I don't have any images of this happening, but don't want to say 'no' without checking first. Are you in agreement with me? She wants to do normal embroidery, not blackwork - which I would have recommended for sleeves and partlet first. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns
Depending on how you define front of bodice, you will find all sorts of embroidery on fronts of gowns. Here is just one example: http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=catalogue.productproductID=109219http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=catalogue.productproductID=109219 Sg - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns Dear List I have just been asked by a dancer in our historical dance group if she can embroider the front of her bodice of her 1580s Elizabethan Gown, upper class. I don't have any images of this happening, but don't want to say 'no' without checking first. Are you in agreement with me? She wants to do normal embroidery, not blackwork - which I would have recommended for sleeves and partlet first. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns - better link
Sorry about that link. http://tinyurl.com/2seejbhttp://tinyurl.com/2seejb - Original Message - From: Saragrace Knaufmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns Depending on how you define front of bodice, you will find all sorts of embroidery on fronts of gowns. Here is just one example: http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=catalogue.productproductID=109219http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=catalogue.productproductID=109219http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=catalogue.productproductID=109219http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=catalogue.productproductID=109219 Sg - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns Dear List I have just been asked by a dancer in our historical dance group if she can embroider the front of her bodice of her 1580s Elizabethan Gown, upper class. I don't have any images of this happening, but don't want to say 'no' without checking first. Are you in agreement with me? She wants to do normal embroidery, not blackwork - which I would have recommended for sleeves and partlet first. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume%3Chttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costume-Con -- last chance for advance registration
Robin Netherton wrote: Costume-Con will be taking online/advance registration till Saturday, March 17 -- that is, two days from now. After that, you have to pay at the door. ... If you're planning to pay at the door and still to come to my lectures, drop me a note and I'll see if the organizers can take that into account. I'd like to point out that if you're planning to pay at the door, they will not accept credit cards at that time. You'll need cash. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Last chance
It seems that one of the publications I am wanting is determined to elude me. All North American options are pretty much exhausted at this point, I am needing someone sympathetic local to one of the libraries that holds this particular catalogue. It seems to be exclusively Italian, it lists no where else. I am needing: Labito della Granduchessa. Vesti di corte e di madonne nel Palazzo Reale di Pisa, catalogo della mostra (Pisa, Museo Nazionale di Palazzo Reale, dal 28 giugno 2000) a cura di M. Burresi, Museo Nazionale di Palazzo Reale, Pisa 2000 Moira Brunori and Mary Rizza in 2000, completed in 2004 with the consultancy of Thessy Schoenholzer Nichols. It has been located at the following libraries so far: Biblioteca nazionale centrale -Firenze Biblioteca comunale Labronica Francesco Domenico Guerrazzi. Sezione dei Bottini dell'olio - Livorno Biblioteca statale - Lucca Biblioteca di storia dell'arte Bruno Molajoli - Napoli Biblioteca universitaria - Pisa Biblioteca di archeologia e storia dell'arte - Roma Biblioteca dell'Ufficio centrale per i beni ambientali, architettonici,archeologici, artistici e storici - Roma Biblioteca della Soprint. per i beni architettonici e il paesaggio, il patrimonio storico, artistico e demoetnoantropologico per le provincie di SS e NU - Sassari Biblioteca della Soprintendenza per i beni artistici e storici del Piemonte -SBAS - Torino Any assistance obtaining this catalogue, or willingness to copy parts thereof, are deeply appreciated. This is my last kick at the cat before I give up. Thanks for any help you can provide. I have a copy of MAZZI Curzio, La camicia: ricerche dantico costume italiano, Firenze, Olschki, 1915, ill now, if anyone wants a copy, email me offlist. It's written in Italian, however I am working on getting it translated. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] elizabethan reproduction
on 3/15/07 10:18 AM, melanie wrote: I have a color version of this, and it's actually little quatrefoils with pearls in the middle--you can see my reconstruction of the stomacher at http://www.faucet.net/costume/period/brown.html (scroll down to see a closeup) Oh, thanks for posting that! The prettiest thing I have seen today, and the photo of the back of the gown is just stunning! Yes, I like the back better... I'm odd. I just love the way all the lines of the gold lace meet. Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] looking for embroidery chart
Several years ago, I downloaded the embroidery chart for the Bess of Hardwick red work chemise embroidery. Recently I pulled the disk out and found it was corrupted. I went back and searched all the internet sites and could not find it again. I have been told that the particular site that had it is no longer extant. Can anyone out there help me? Thanks! Terri Casey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE TUDORS ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING
Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: Nope. The only portrait of Katherine of Aragon before she would have been gray shows her with reddish blonde hair. You're assuming she would have been dark because she was a Spaniard; not necessarily so. Mary Tudor, her daughteer, was also red haired. Katherine was descended from both Edward III of England, and Henry IV of England on her mother's side, either of whom could have introduced red hair to the family. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] elizabethan reproduction
In a message dated 3/15/2007 11:23:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm odd. I just love the way all the lines of the gold lace meet. * I don't think that's odd at all. ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looking for embroidery chart
Wow. I don't know of the website, but if you are able to find it, will you please share with us? LynnD On 3/15/07, Terri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several years ago, I downloaded the embroidery chart for the Bess of Hardwick red work chemise embroidery. Recently I pulled the disk out and found it was corrupted. I went back and searched all the internet sites and could not find it again. I have been told that the particular site that had it is no longer extant. Can anyone out there help me? Thanks! Terri Casey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looking for embroidery chart
Terri wrote: Several years ago, I downloaded the embroidery chart for the Bess of Hardwick red work chemise embroidery. Recently I pulled the disk out and found it was corrupted. I went back and searched all the internet sites and could not find it again. I have been told that the particular site that had it is no longer extant. Can anyone out there help me? If you know the URL for the site, you may be able to recover is via the Wayback Machine. Link here, plug in your URL, and work through the list of archive dates. http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html Good luck, -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] silk satin
Every so often, someone on this list is looking for satin made of silk instead of polyester, so I thought I would pass this along: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com./Catalog_items.aspx?Query=silk+satin I haven't seen this fabric but I've ordered way more fabric than I need from this company and found them reliable. Janet ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] tippets
It looks like Revival Clothing has interpreted the turned-back, white-fur-lined cuff with its pendant strip as a pinned-on accessory rather than the more accurate short-sleeve dress cuff with dangling tail. I know in this case you used that image to show what you meant, rather than as evidence, but it's hard enough to figure out what's going on when you look at a 14th century artist's interpretation of what a person wore, let alone a modern interpretation of that interpretation. There -are- examples of tippets in other colors, and some are sure drawn or painted in a truly light and fluttery way that seems to imply delicate fabrics, but more often than not they're white and if you can look closely enough you can see the fur. As for purpose,I suspect there's about as much purpose to tippets as there is to hip-hugger bell-bottom jeans-- to look fashionable. ; ) Astrida -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Thu 3/15/2007 3:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets Thanks to everyone for the advice! When thinking about tippets, I came to another interesting - at leas for me - question - did they have some particular purpose or were they just decoration? I mean now the white, narrow ones that look as a separate accessory (this doesn't mean that they are). Like those: http://www.revivalclothing.com/images/tippet_hero.jpg (sorry I couldn't find any extant picture). Zuzana - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns - better link
That looks like a stomacher under an open bodice. The turned-back edges of the bodice are lined with embroidery that matches the stomacher. It was more popular in the '90s, but there may be some examples from the '80s as well. This is probably an example (from around 1590), though it's a bit hard to tell what's happening with the decor, as it cuts off so high: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady3.jpg Here's another from 1592: http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1592_2.shtml Mostly you see it with the very elongated bodice and huge sleeves of the '90s and the squarer rather than cone-shaped skirt. Melanie Schuessler Saragrace Knauf wrote: Depending on how you define front of bodice, you will find all sorts of embroidery on fronts of gowns. Here is just one example: http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=catalogue.productproductID=109219http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=catalogue.productproductID=109219http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=catalogue.productproductID=109219http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=catalogue.productproductID=109219 Sg - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns Dear List I have just been asked by a dancer in our historical dance group if she can embroider the front of her bodice of her 1580s Elizabethan Gown, upper class. I don't have any images of this happening, but don't want to say 'no' without checking first. Are you in agreement with me? She wants to do normal embroidery, not blackwork - which I would have recommended for sleeves and partlet first. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume%3Chttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Fw: [Sca-cooks] OOP / OT : Crochet Peeps
I thought some of you might find this of interest. Margaret Lacis is re-printing some of the earliest known crochet patterns *real soon* http://www.lacis.com . From the Lacis newsletter: We are also happy to announce the arrival of THE FIRST TWELVE CROCHET BOOKS OF MLLE. RIEGO DE LA BRANCHARDIERE [1847-1852]. snip The twelve booklets that make up this volume were published between 1847 and 1852 by one of the 19th century's most prolific practitioners of the needle arts. snip The patterns in this volume include a number of exquisite lace collars, wonderful handbags, anti-macassars, hats and bonnets, curtains, a truly remarkable Cornucopia Stove Ornament, and even an opera cape. Crochet artists and needlework historians are sure to want to add this lovely volume to their libraries. Others may well find themselves beguiled into taking up a hook. Anyone with friends who crochet or who re-create the mid-19th century, feel free to pass this info along. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: H-Cost at CC25
The hotel has a large concourse along the outside of the meeting rooms where there will be tables set up specifically for meet-ups. We'll also try to have a couple of message boards on easels where you can post a time to meet. Sandy, who wants to come to the lectures but will be too busy working the con :( At 09:18 AM 3/15/2007, you wrote: For those who came in late: CC25 is March 30 - April 2 in St. Louis. I'm lecturing all day Saturday, March 31. CC25 info: http://www.cc25.net/start.htm Details on my lectures: http://www.cc25.net/netherton.htm Do we need to ask the organizers to schedule an h-cost meet-up, or can we figure that almost everyone from this list who's planning to come will land in my room on Saturday? --Robin Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Hair color ; FREE TUDORS ONLINE V.I.P.SCREENING
And, in order for a child to have red hair, she/he must get the recessive gene from both parents. It is interesting to note in the drawing of Anne by Holbein, there is a bit of color--her hair, which he colored a soft red. As red hair is a recessive, though, it won't necessarily show up in the parents' hair colors. My brother is a true redhead (or was, he's going silver/gray now), but both our parents are shades of brunette. To drag this back on topic -- I'm dial-up, so I haven't even tried these links. I've got to admit that what I've seen on this and other lists isn't encouraging me to talk some of my friends into sharing the high-speed and watching this show. Is there anything worthwhile besides the male eyecandy? Leah ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Hair color ; FREE TUDORS ONLINE V.I.P.SCREENING
Leah L Watts wrote: To drag this back on topic -- I'm dial-up, so I haven't even tried these links. I've got to admit that what I've seen on this and other lists isn't encouraging me to talk some of my friends into sharing the high-speed and watching this show. Is there anything worthwhile besides the male eyecandy? I found the storyline involving, and broader than the typical dump-Katherine-for-Anne routine that usually gets played. Watch it if you're interested in historical fiction. I might sign up for Showtime for a month or two so I can see the rest of it. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
