RE: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss
Hot pink dots on a chartreuse ground!!! What were they thinking? Can you believe someone actually got paid to put that combo together, but we have trouble finding decent fabrics anywhere? Honestly, some of the patterns out there make me shudder! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss Anyone know where I can get some 100% cotten dotted Swiss with a soft hand, suitable for machine dyeing with Procion dyes (no synthetic content or obstructive finishes)? I really want to sew with some, but am not liking the pastel colors I'm seeing. I also have a passion to sew with some pin-dotted fabric in earthtones but have partially satisfied it at www.reproductionfabrics.com. Other suggestions welcome, though. What I've mostly seen elsewhere is things like (shudder) hot pink dots on a chartreuse ground. I'm interested in pin-dotted silks as well as cottons. Thanks. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian (Lattice) Smocking
De, I'm afraid we must agree to disagree. To my eyes this is definitely slashing or embroidery meant to look like slashing. If you look at other depictions of slashing, you'll see the same look--lines that are heavier in the middle, narrower on the ends, and not connected: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan11.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/EdwardHoby1.jpg Also, sleeves of strapwork (or even lattice smocking, should it turn out to have existed) are one thing, but a whole skirt of it seems less plausible. If you look at depictions of strapwork, on the other hand, you see a completely different look. The lines for the edges of the straps are even in thickness and connect to the next perpendicular strap so that it's clear they're passing over and under each other: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan2.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth4.jpg (side of the bodice) Melanie Schuessler otsisto wrote: If you look at the dress it is not slashing. It could be strips of velvet woven together but I am more inclined to believe that it is lattice work. The embroidery (or small pinking) and the spangles are emphisizing the the woven look. http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg Please compare the first picture to the portrait's sleeve. I know that there are two other portraits out there that show the sleeves to have what looks like lattice work but I can't seem to remember which portraits, one was Italian. De ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss
I somehow got the impression that pin-dotted fabric is in style so it would be easy to find, but I think I was wrong about that. I went to the dentist in Berkeley on Wednesday and consoled myself by going to three fabric stores over there (Poppy, Stonemountain, and Discount Fabrics), and I wasn't seeing much in the way of pin dots. As for the dotted Swiss, I asked Baltazor how well their $15/yard 100% cotton batiste white Swiss would dye. (Why is it manufacturers are so locked into the white/blue/pink/pale yellow colors for dotted Swiss?) They said they didn't know whether the fabric would stand up to machine dyeing, but offered to send me half a yard free of charge to test. Fran Sharon Collier wrote: Hot pink dots on a chartreuse ground!!! What were they thinking? Can you believe someone actually got paid to put that combo together, but we have trouble finding decent fabrics anywhere? Honestly, some of the patterns out there make me shudder! ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss
This type of fabric is primarily used today for little girl's outfits, as well as for babies. I guess that is why there is a primarily pastel palette currently available. :) ~Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss I somehow got the impression that pin-dotted fabric is in style so it would be easy to find, but I think I was wrong about that. I went to the dentist in Berkeley on Wednesday and consoled myself by going to three fabric stores over there (Poppy, Stonemountain, and Discount Fabrics), and I wasn't seeing much in the way of pin dots. As for the dotted Swiss, I asked Baltazor how well their $15/yard 100% cotton batiste white Swiss would dye. (Why is it manufacturers are so locked into the white/blue/pink/pale yellow colors for dotted Swiss?) They said they didn't know whether the fabric would stand up to machine dyeing, but offered to send me half a yard free of charge to test. Fran Sharon Collier wrote: Hot pink dots on a chartreuse ground!!! What were they thinking? Can you believe someone actually got paid to put that combo together, but we have trouble finding decent fabrics anywhere? Honestly, some of the patterns out there make me shudder! ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss
That was a rhetorical question . . . but dotted Swiss is a perfectly good fabric that can be used for many things and if I can manage to dye it in some earhtones I'm going to sew them! Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This type of fabric is primarily used today for little girl's outfits, as well as for babies. I guess that is why there is a primarily pastel palette currently available. :) ~Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss I somehow got the impression that pin-dotted fabric is in style so it would be easy to find, but I think I was wrong about that. I went to the dentist in Berkeley on Wednesday and consoled myself by going to three fabric stores over there (Poppy, Stonemountain, and Discount Fabrics), and I wasn't seeing much in the way of pin dots. As for the dotted Swiss, I asked Baltazor how well their $15/yard 100% cotton batiste white Swiss would dye. (Why is it manufacturers are so locked into the white/blue/pink/pale yellow colors for dotted Swiss?) They said they didn't know whether the fabric would stand up to machine dyeing, but offered to send me half a yard free of charge to test. Fran Sharon Collier wrote: Hot pink dots on a chartreuse ground!!! What were they thinking? Can you believe someone actually got paid to put that combo together, but we have trouble finding decent fabrics anywhere? Honestly, some of the patterns out there make me shudder! ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement
Three Rivers has not posted an online catalog of the first day of this. Are they going to? Thanks, Fran http://www.lavoltapress.com LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: Yes Kathy , it is in a way. But my 'children' need to grow and get on in the world. Some of them have led a very reclusive life...and that is why they are beautiful. Getting on in age, myself, continuing the care necessary for the preservation and Conservation of such a wonderful collection will only become more complicated. And so, I challenge another generation to take up cause. ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Canadian (Lattice) Smocking
The white on the black is either slashes or embroidery, so we agree on that. What we don't agree with is the smocking and the gold bits. Spangles were used in period and I believe that there are a few garments that Elizabeth I wore that had them. I believe that they are spangles (there were different sizes) because you can see them under the lace cuffs. As if they were polished metal and not a cloth of gold shimmer. If supported correctly the lattice work can be used in a skirt. If you look at http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php Imagine the raised bars closer together (this can be done) and done in a little heavier material that is supported in back. Then take every other raised bar and embroider/pink it and the others spangle it and you have the design pattern of the portrait. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg The sleeves are what convinces me that they are latticework because of the way the design lays. So I guess agree to disagree. De -Original Message- De, I'm afraid we must agree to disagree. To my eyes this is definitely slashing or embroidery meant to look like slashing. If you look at other depictions of slashing, you'll see the same look--lines that are heavier in the middle, narrower on the ends, and not connected: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan11.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/EdwardHoby1.jpg Also, sleeves of strapwork (or even lattice smocking, should it turn out to have existed) are one thing, but a whole skirt of it seems less plausible. If you look at depictions of strapwork, on the other hand, you see a completely different look. The lines for the edges of the straps are even in thickness and connect to the next perpendicular strap so that it's clear they're passing over and under each other: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan2.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth4.jpg (side of the bodice) Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Canadian (Lattice) Smocking
If I can steer this conversation away from the portrait of Queen Elizabeth, I believe that the original question was about this Italian Gown http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg susan (of 2 minds about the portrait of Elizabeth -- I can see it either way!) - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: Canadian (Lattice) Smocking and Bronzino
I thought the original question was how far back was the lattice/Canadian smocking, most were saying 1800s and someone suggested that the Bronzino might be an example and I suggested the Elizabethan was an example. It is possible could be lattice if drawn very tightly, but it could also be achieved by straight line gathers. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/yourgarb/2004/Anea.htm http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Angelo_Bronzino_037.jpg De -Original Message- If I can steer this conversation away from the portrait of Queen Elizabeth, I believe that the original question was about this Italian Gown http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg susan (of 2 minds about the portrait of Elizabeth -- I can see it either way!) - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement
Fran, if you go in to the site and bring up coming events/proxy.com you should be able tosee the Show. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement Three Rivers has not posted an online catalog of the first day of this. Are they going to? Thanks, Fran http://www.lavoltapress.com LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: Yes Kathy , it is in a way. But my 'children' need to grow and get on in the world. Some of them have led a very reclusive life...and that is why they are beautiful. Getting on in age, myself, continuing the care necessary for the preservation and Conservation of such a wonderful collection will only become more complicated. And so, I challenge another generation to take up cause. ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss
At 01:32 PM 4/14/2007, you wrote: I somehow got the impression that pin-dotted fabric is in style so it would be easy to find, but I think I was wrong about that. I went to the dentist in Berkeley on Wednesday and consoled myself by going to three fabric stores over there (Poppy, Stonemountain, and Discount Fabrics), and I wasn't seeing much in the way of pin dots. As for the dotted Swiss, I asked Baltazor how well their $15/yard 100% cotton batiste white Swiss would dye. (Why is it manufacturers are so locked into the white/blue/pink/pale yellow colors for dotted Swiss?) They said they didn't know whether the fabric would stand up to machine dyeing, but offered to send me half a yard free of charge to test. Fran Fran, I was doing some poking about just a little while ago, and found this site--don't know if you can use these, but here they are--and at considerably less than $15 a yard! http://www.reprodepot.com/dots1.html Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: AIR DATES: THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS
It is not on Showtime On Demand. But The Tutors episodes 1-3 are On Demand. I watched it last night. Not yet. Style network has an exclusive right now. Showtime on Demand for sure at some point. Maybe's on E! and Showtime itself. It's all a rating game. -Cat- ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost]Canadian (Lattice) Smocking
If you look at the bodice, which is not slashed, you see the pattern of the material is the same as the sleeves and skirt, same spacing of large and small dots. That argues for slashing, since the smocking would have changed the distance between dots. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian (Lattice) Smocking De, I'm afraid we must agree to disagree. To my eyes this is definitely slashing or embroidery meant to look like slashing. If you look at other depictions of slashing, you'll see the same look--lines that are heavier in the middle, narrower on the ends, and not connected: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan11.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/EdwardHoby1.jpg Also, sleeves of strapwork (or even lattice smocking, should it turn out to have existed) are one thing, but a whole skirt of it seems less plausible. If you look at depictions of strapwork, on the other hand, you see a completely different look. The lines for the edges of the straps are even in thickness and connect to the next perpendicular strap so that it's clear they're passing over and under each other: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan2.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth4.jpg (side of the bodice) Melanie Schuessler otsisto wrote: If you look at the dress it is not slashing. It could be strips of velvet woven together but I am more inclined to believe that it is lattice work. The embroidery (or small pinking) and the spangles are emphisizing the the woven look. http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg Please compare the first picture to the portrait's sleeve. I know that there are two other portraits out there that show the sleeves to have what looks like lattice work but I can't seem to remember which portraits, one was Italian. De ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss
Thanks, I'd forgotten about them. I just bought some pindot fabric! Fran Fran, I was doing some poking about just a little while ago, and found this site--don't know if you can use these, but here they are--and at considerably less than $15 a yard! http://www.reprodepot.com/dots1.html Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss
I was looking for dotted swiss for a show I was costuming last fall. It was impossible to find white on white at a reasonable price. I don't think the fabric has been in style since the 1950s when my play took place. Lots of little girl dresses were made of it then. I finally found 1 yard on an auction website. Sylrog On Apr 14, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Dianne Greg Stucki wrote: At 01:32 PM 4/14/2007, you wrote: I somehow got the impression that pin-dotted fabric is in style so it would be easy to find, but I think I was wrong about that. I went to the dentist in Berkeley on Wednesday and consoled myself by going to three fabric stores over there (Poppy, Stonemountain, and Discount Fabrics), and I wasn't seeing much in the way of pin dots. As for the dotted Swiss, I asked Baltazor how well their $15/yard 100% cotton batiste white Swiss would dye. (Why is it manufacturers are so locked into the white/blue/pink/pale yellow colors for dotted Swiss?) They said they didn't know whether the fabric would stand up to machine dyeing, but offered to send me half a yard free of charge to test. Fran Fran, I was doing some poking about just a little while ago, and found this site--don't know if you can use these, but here they are--and at considerably less than $15 a yard! http://www.reprodepot.com/dots1.html Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss
Yes, dotted Swiss is very expensive on most of the heirloom sewing sites. I suppose people only buy a little bit of fabric to clothe children and dolls, therefore it does not seem too expensive. The Baltazor $15/yard Swiss batiste is the most reasonable I've run across in all cotton, although I've seen similar prices for cotton/poly (which I don't think I can dye). I think what with eyelet so in fashion, other fabrics with embroidered textures may be so soon. Or maybe not. I became interested in it when I bought some embroidered cotton kebayas from Indonesia whose ground fabric was basically dotted Swiss, although the seller did not call it that (I think they just called it cotton). It's just a really nice sheer fabric for summer. Fran Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I was looking for dotted swiss for a show I was costuming last fall. It was impossible to find white on white at a reasonable price. I don't think the fabric has been in style since the 1950s when my play took place. Lots of little girl dresses were made of it then. I finally found 1 yard on an auction website. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT librarian in-jokes
Suzanne said: Mary, I love your tag line. (We don't have issues, we have subscriptions.) Thanks! I just wish I could remember where I stole it! Maybe off a t-shirt or bumper sticker in a catalog, but I haven't gotten one recently I can't think of the company name right now. Mary ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Canadian (Lattice) Smocking
The smocking would not change the distance of the spangles if you are using the Latticework smocking. http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php The spangles would be running along the ridge of the lattice. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg I guess why I am stuck on the notion that this is latticework is because twenty years ago I saw a dress in dark blue velvet, sleeves and bodice done in latticework and it looked similar to EI's sleeves. I remember this because the only time prior to that I saw it on pillows that my Aunt Betty made back in the 70s. De -Original Message- If you look at the bodice, which is not slashed, you see the pattern of the material is the same as the sleeves and skirt, same spacing of large and small dots. That argues for slashing, since the smocking would have changed the distance between dots. -Original Message- De, I'm afraid we must agree to disagree. To my eyes this is definitely slashing or embroidery meant to look like slashing. If you look at other depictions of slashing, you'll see the same look--lines that are heavier in the middle, narrower on the ends, and not connected: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan11.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/EdwardHoby1.jpg Also, sleeves of strapwork (or even lattice smocking, should it turn out to have existed) are one thing, but a whole skirt of it seems less plausible. If you look at depictions of strapwork, on the other hand, you see a completely different look. The lines for the edges of the straps are even in thickness and connect to the next perpendicular strap so that it's clear they're passing over and under each other: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan2.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth4.jpg (side of the bodice) Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
