[h-cost] Robin Netherton/Laurellen de Brandevin Lecture weekend DEADLINE!
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Re: [h-cost] costume photos
It depends on how historically accurate you want the images to be, but Dover Books have several books of costume images that come with cds containing all of the images in several different formats. The books have Tom Tierney and Braun Schneider illustrations. This shows a few: http://store.doverpublications.com/0486996190.html Teena Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That being said - the science is clear - ALL fats are unhealthy. Basically they stop your blood vessles from dilating for hours after you eat any fat. It dammages the walls, makes the platlets more sticky. Know anyone with a heart bypass yet? Truth is all of their arteries are clogged. The Vietnam soldiers who died in their early 20's all had signs of arteries clogging. Based upon that you can assume that everyone living a western diet has clogged arteries and should be on a no-added-fat diet. Not entirely - you need some fats (fatty acids are essential for brain function) - even a little bit of cholesterol. For anyone with thyriod problems you really need to read what Dr. John McDougall has found in research. Slightly elevated thyroid hormone results in increased cholesterol and risk of strokes and heart attacks. You should treat before you are offically hypothyroid. Don't believe that soy brassica and other things (sea weed) have anything to do with it - there is no science behind that; not unless you are deficient in iodine and with the amount of (iodized) salt we get in our diet that ain't a possible. Interesting about the soy and brassica thing - I'd never heard that before. I read to avoid red meat and peanuts when I was first diagnosed. Yes, I am another one with autoimmune hypothyroidism. I developed it as an exceedingly healthy and essentially vegetarian 23 yr old. There is a genetic component, but not in my family. I acquired it in another common way to get autoimmune disorders, which is to have the 'flu. The immune system overreacts and starts thinking parts of you look tasty. This is more likely in people who were not ill much as children apparently - the immune system doesn't have a chance to calibrate its response appropriately. I was a classic case of this. I was hardly ever ill as a child, and when I was, I had the mildest possible case of whatever it was (in fact I'm still like this to a certain extent). This is so off topic, but since there are a few people out there with thyroid problems, what do you do about collars? I have always been one of those people who hate something close around their neck, and now I have a mild goiter from time to time, it is worse. Claire ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet/Thyroid goitre
For anyone with thyriod problems you really need to read what Dr. John McDougall has found in research. Slightly elevated thyroid hormone results in increased cholesterol and risk of strokes and heart attacks. You should treat before you are offically hypothyroid. Don't believe that soy brassica and other things (sea weed) have anything to do with it - there is no science behind that; not unless you are deficient in iodine and with the amount of (iodized) salt we get in our diet that ain't a possible. I have had a thyroid problem since shortly after my son was born - about 27 years ago. This is a regular occurrence, apparently - that you can have a flare up after pregnancy. I do not take salt, so iodized salt would have made no difference - it is a hormonal problem. I have put on weight because my hormone imbalance, eased by taking synthetic thyroxine, occasionally gets out of sync. (Underactive = weight gain, normal = stable weight, overactive = weight loss, raised blood pressure, pulse etc. so I am not allowed this!) Interesting about the soy and brassica thing - I'd never heard that before. I read to avoid red meat and peanuts when I was first diagnosed. Yes, I am another one with autoimmune hypothyroidism. I developed it as an exceedingly healthy and essentially vegetarian 23 yr old. There is a genetic component, but not in my family. I acquired it in another common way to get autoimmune disorders, which is to have the 'flu. The immune system overreacts and starts thinking parts of you look tasty. This is more likely in people who were not ill much as children apparently - the immune system doesn't have a chance to calibrate its response appropriately. I was a classic case of this. I was hardly ever ill as a child, and when I was, I had the mildest possible case of whatever it was (in fact I'm still like this to a certain extent). I have not been told to avoid anything. I read I am supposed to eat this and that for hormone balance, but avoid the other stuff because of another medical problem, and eat such and such for a third. So I eat moderate amounts of food I like, and keep checking the blood levels. I do not have raised cholesterol, and have not been told they are related, although I do understand that osteoporosis can be a side effect. This is so off topic, but since there are a few people out there with thyroid problems, what do you do about collars? I have always been one of those people who hate something close around their neck, and now I have a mild goiter from time to time, it is worse. I never wear anything on my neck these days, as I have a scar where most of the thyroid gland was removed. It doesn't hurt, but my neck muscles have thickened, and high necks are all too tight and uncomfortable. If I get really cold, I will put a soft scarf in the neck of my top, but hate it. I rarely ever do up my winter coats either, although my jacket has a funnel style neck, and doesn't actually touch my neck. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] costume photos
Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file and make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you don't have to break the binding of the books. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] costume photos Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] book: Henry VIII costume
Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII by Maria Hayward Paperback ISBN: 1905981414 Pub. Date: October 28, 2007 http://www.maney.co.uk/search?fwaction=showfwid=766 I had an email from Janet Hague (Maney Publishers) today. She says that this is now published and available. Since the hardcover is a bit expensive, I ordered the paper from Barnes and Noble (best price I could find). http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1EAN=1905981414 Beth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
Good idea, but I'd really like mostly primary sources. I'll check out Dover though. Thanx. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 2:16 AM, Beteena Paradise wrote: It depends on how historically accurate you want the images to be, but Dover Books have several books of costume images that come with cds containing all of the images in several different formats. The books have Tom Tierney and Braun Schneider illustrations. This shows a few: http://store.doverpublications.com/0486996190.html Teena Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
Yes, but then I have to search all over the web to find what I want. Do you know one or two good online sources? I'm talking history from ancient Mesopotamia up to the present. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:17 AM, monica spence wrote: Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file and make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you don't have to break the binding of the books. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] costume photos Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] costume photos
Depends opn the period--- I teach the same thing. It took weeks, months to get them to where I was happy. I don't know if there are any short-cuts. Do one a week and you'll be fine. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Yes, but then I have to search all over the web to find what I want. Do you know one or two good online sources? I'm talking history from ancient Mesopotamia up to the present. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:17 AM, monica spence wrote: Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file and make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you don't have to break the binding of the books. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] costume photos Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] costume photos
Unless Dover has some really great new books, I would not go with Dover's images. They are line drawings. So are the Tom Tierney and Braun Schneider illustrations. There is a really expensive ($150+) costume cd on Amazon, but I do not know how good it is. If You Google Images under a painter's name or a time period (eg: Bronzino or Sixteenth century clothing), you will get great sources-- period paintings. For real primary sources (clothes) look in Museum collections. You will be able to get things you have not seen in books lots of times. I have been teaching costume history for years and When I made my CDs to teach each topic/ period, that is what I did and the students love the pictures. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:46 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Good idea, but I'd really like mostly primary sources. I'll check out Dover though. Thanx. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 2:16 AM, Beteena Paradise wrote: It depends on how historically accurate you want the images to be, but Dover Books have several books of costume images that come with cds containing all of the images in several different formats. The books have Tom Tierney and Braun Schneider illustrations. This shows a few: http://store.doverpublications.com/0486996190.html Teena Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
I know what you mean. I'm trying to do a very brief overview of history in my costume and fashion industry class and I just don't have time for all this this semester. Maybe I can work on it over winter break. As it is, the job pays so poorly that I end up making about $5 an hour with even a minimum amount of prep time. Gotta start looking for a better teaching job, although at my age, I doubt I can find one. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 9:28 AM, monica spence wrote: Depends opn the period--- I teach the same thing. It took weeks, months to get them to where I was happy. I don't know if there are any short-cuts. Do one a week and you'll be fine. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Yes, but then I have to search all over the web to find what I want. Do you know one or two good online sources? I'm talking history from ancient Mesopotamia up to the present. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:17 AM, monica spence wrote: Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file and make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you don't have to break the binding of the books. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] costume photos Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. Use a scanner. It's much easier to get a good image than with a camera. You can find them anywhere, computer stores, department stores, office supply, and they start under $100 -- sometimes under $50. If you're going to be using it to take many pictures, it may be a worthwhile investment. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] What about Dress at the Court of Henry VII? - was book: Henry VIII costume
Beth and Bob Matney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII by Maria Hayward Paperback ISBN: 1905981414 Pub. Date: October 28, 2007 http://www.maney.co.uk/search?fwaction=showfwid=766 COMMENT Gentles all, has anyone authored/edited a similar book about Dress at the later Plantagenet Courts that of King Henry VII [7] ? Those of us - such as my own House - who re-enact the English period 1450-1509 would find such a book invaluable, gathering into a single source data on the English-worn fashions of those 59 years. In Service, Matthew Baker, dwelling in old Jersey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] costume photos
Be sure you make sure that the pics are not under copywrite, though - or get permission first. Patty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file and make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you don't have to break the binding of the books. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] costume photos Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: costume photos
I have been teaching a seminar on the history of fashion since 1999. I used to lug many different books to class each week and use an opaque projector to show those images! But, sometime around late 2000 I started scanning the best pictures. Sometimes I even bought a new copy (used) of the books I was heavily scanning from so that I could release the bindings and scan more easily. Then I made powerpoint presentations and brought a computer and projector to the school. Since I own (often 2 copies) of the books I scanned and only use the scanned images to make it easier to see the images in the classroom (and quicker to change from one book to another) I feel I have complied with the meaning of the law, if not the letter of the law. It's only the technology of the presentation that I have changed. If you add images from the internet to your powerpoint presentations for class be sure to credit the museum/website that you lift them from. I am not a copyright lawyer so I don't know the legalities of using these images but if you use them only in your class and do not make a bunch of copies of your presentations and sell them you might get away with using the images for education and not be in danger of lawsuit. Some websites specifically state that you may not use their images without their permission, however that does not mean that you cannot put a link in your presentation and go to their website during class (if you have a live internet connection in your classroom). i have done that with the Metropolitan Museum, and even personal websites of members of this list. If you do this you must log on earlier in the day before class and make sure your links are still good. Since my class runs for 12 weeks the links have often changed since I last visited them. If you are in a high profile setting or a school that has a legal department you might ask for legal counsel to advise you about using the images from websites or books you do not own. Good Luck! Agnes Gawne 1. Re: costume photos (Sylvia Rognstad) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:50:42 -0600 From: Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I know what you mean. I'm trying to do a very brief overview of history in my costume and fashion industry class and I just don't have time for all this this semester. Maybe I can work on it over winter break. As it is, the job pays so poorly that I end up making about $5 an hour with even a minimum amount of prep time. Gotta start looking for a better teaching job, although at my age, I doubt I can find one. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 9:28 AM, monica spence wrote: Depends opn the period--- I teach the same thing. It took weeks, months to get them to where I was happy. I don't know if there are any short-cuts. Do one a week and you'll be fine. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
On Oct 3, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Rickard, Patty wrote: Be sure you make sure that the pics are not under copywrite, though - or get permission first. Copywriting is what a copywriter does. Copyright is an intellectual property. Simply put, it's the right to control reproduction and use of a work. That's why it's right and not write. Copywrite is, well, nothing. It's kind of like irregardless. It's a non-word substituted for a real one. If this is for non-profit educational use, it may fall under fair use. The University of Texas has an excellent Crash Course in Copyright with an extensive section (that's understandable by the hoi polloi, not just lawyers) on fair use. http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/IntellectualProperty/copypol2.htm andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
I have a scanner but it only works with my old computer and to transfer images to my laptop or burn cds doesn't work. Why I hadn't thought of that at this point, beats me. Guess I just need to buy a new scanner. Thanks for bringing that up, although I do recall when I used to use the scanner I have it didn't print book photos very well. I can't remember if they looked better on the computer. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Dawn wrote: Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. Use a scanner. It's much easier to get a good image than with a camera. You can find them anywhere, computer stores, department stores, office supply, and they start under $100 -- sometimes under $50. If you're going to be using it to take many pictures, it may be a worthwhile investment. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
This DVD: http://www.digitale-bibliothek.de/scripts/ts.dll?mp=/art/1716/ might be useful to you; you can see the types of images it has at: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:The_Yorck_Project In fact, you could just as easily browse through all they have in the second link (keep hitting the next 200 link, as there's TONS--10,000!) rather than trying to deal with ordering from a German language site. They do have images from lots of eras, though I don't know how far back they go. For more info on the project the legalities (public domain) read this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:10%2C000_paintings_from_Directmedia -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Danish Costume
Bjarne, You are probably already aware of the Costume Group of Danish Museums, but just in case: http://www.dragt.dk/index.eng.html Danish costume bibliography. http://www.dragt.dk/artikler/index.eng.html Beth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/ fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. I'm all for scanners if you can do it without breaking the binding. If the originals are too large, use a camera and a copy stand. They're available on eBay pretty cheap. I've been meaning to get a copy stand to photograph patterned fabrics with a large repeat. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] costume photos
Sorry Andy - brain fart. Patty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:12 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos On Oct 3, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Rickard, Patty wrote: Be sure you make sure that the pics are not under copywrite, though - or get permission first. Copywriting is what a copywriter does. Copyright is an intellectual property. Simply put, it's the right to control reproduction and use of a work. That's why it's right and not write. Copywrite is, well, nothing. It's kind of like irregardless. It's a non-word substituted for a real one. If this is for non-profit educational use, it may fall under fair use. The University of Texas has an excellent Crash Course in Copyright with an extensive section (that's understandable by the hoi polloi, not just lawyers) on fair use. http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/IntellectualProperty/copypol2.htm andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
Does one need permission just to take pics to show for a class? There's no way I am going to try to do that for all the books I'm copying out of. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Rickard, Patty wrote: Be sure you make sure that the pics are not under copywrite, though - or get permission first. Patty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos Download pics from the web, put them into your computer picture file and make your own Powerpoint presentation. Works beautifully--- and you don't have to break the binding of the books. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] costume photos Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. I bought a tripod but that didn't help, so now I'm wondering if I can just buy a collection somewhere. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Does one need permission just to take pics to show for a class? There's no way I am going to try to do that for all the books I'm copying out of. http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/IntellectualProperty/copypol2.htm UT's Crash Course in Copyright. Short answer: probably not. Read it, though. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
In a message dated 10/3/2007 7:29:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:The_Yorck_Project ** Nice! But they're alphabetized by the artists' FIRST names Weird. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
In a message dated 10/3/2007 8:53:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Copywriting is what a copywriter does. Copyright is an intellectual property. Simply put, it's the right to control reproduction and use of a work. That's why it's right and not write. *** How about a copywright? [One who makes or builds a copy?] :-P ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
In a message dated 10/3/2007 9:05:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Does one need permission just to take pics to show for a class? There's no way I am going to try to do that for all the books I'm copying out of. http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/IntellectualProperty/copypol2.htm UT's Crash Course in Copyright. Short answer: probably not. Read it, though. * It seems to me you only need permission if you're making money directly off the image. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] costume photos
...or maybe copywights for virtual copies. :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 10/3/2007 9:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos In a message dated 10/3/2007 8:53:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Copywriting is what a copywriter does. Copyright is an intellectual property. Simply put, it's the right to control reproduction and use of a work. That's why it's right and not write. *** How about a copywright? [One who makes or builds a copy?] :-P ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com http://www.aol.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: scanners, costume/fashion history
Check with your college library. Ours has a free scanner for patrons to use--you can e-mail the pics to yourself but not print them in the library. I imagine you could create some sort of presentation on your computer once you've got the images loaded. Has anyone else tried this? Suzanne From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: October 3, 2007 11:18:53 AM CDT To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos Reply-To: Historical Costume h-costume@mail.indra.com Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Do any of you costume instructors know of a source for costume/ fashion history cds? I've been trying to take photos out of books but either I can't keep the book flat or I can't keep the camera steady enough so the pictures come out decently. Use a scanner. It's much easier to get a good image than with a camera. You can find them anywhere, computer stores, department stores, office supply, and they start under $100 -- sometimes under $50. If you're going to be using it to take many pictures, it may be a worthwhile investment. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] cotton wool
Does anyone know where I can get Cotton Wool to stuff a period quilt?? If there is somewhere close to Norway that would even be better. - All new Yahoo! Mail - Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cotton wool
Edith Reardon wrote: Does anyone know where I can get Cotton Wool to stuff a period quilt?? If there is somewhere close to Norway that would even be better. Warm Natural is a very good quality cotton quilt batting, which you might be able to order off the internet. Their website lists some online sources: http://www.warmcompany.com/wnpage.html It's not quite the same as raw cotton which was used in the 1800's, but it is a very good quality modern product. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] costume photos
It seems to me you only need permission if you're making money directly off the image. A common misconception, but it's not true. Whether or not you use the image to make money (or even if you just charge money to cover the expenses of publishing and don't make anything) is irrelevant to whether you have the right to publish the image in the first place. (If that doesn't make sense, consider that if you give away my work for free, you are still potentially damaging my ability to earn money from my own work, if I so choose. You have also violated my right to control or even prohibit the distribution of my work, which is independent of monetary issues.) Another common misconception: As long as you give credit by naming the creator, you can publish it without asking permission. Not true. That frees you from a charge of plagiarism, but not from copyright restrictions. That said, if you don't ask for money and you give credit, and you get called into court, the fact that you showed good intent and didn't profit may reduce or eliminate the amount of money the court makes you pay. --Robin _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
But I'm not publishing the photos I copy. You keep using the word publish. Sylrog On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:37 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: It seems to me you only need permission if you're making money directly off the image. A common misconception, but it's not true. Whether or not you use the image to make money (or even if you just charge money to cover the expenses of publishing and don't make anything) is irrelevant to whether you have the right to publish the image in the first place. (If that doesn't make sense, consider that if you give away my work for free, you are still potentially damaging my ability to earn money from my own work, if I so choose. You have also violated my right to control or even prohibit the distribution of my work, which is independent of monetary issues.) Another common misconception: As long as you give credit by naming the creator, you can publish it without asking permission. Not true. That frees you from a charge of plagiarism, but not from copyright restrictions. That said, if you don't ask for money and you give credit, and you get called into court, the fact that you showed good intent and didn't profit may reduce or eliminate the amount of money the court makes you pay. --Robin _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] costume photos
But I'm not publishing the photos I copy. You keep using the word publish. I was speaking about copyright law, not about you specifically; I didn't want the previous comment (you only need permission if you're making money off it) to stand without discussion, because the issue of money is so often misunderstood. Whether you need permission does not depend on whether money changes hands. In your case, you may well not need permission anyway, but whether you're making money doesn't have anything to do with that. Copyright law focuses on publishing -- that is, creation and distribution of copies of creative work that someone owns. I didn't follow the beginning of this thread closely, so I don't know what you're doing or whether the law applies to you. I am not a lawyer, but here's my understanding of some practical situations I often see in my own work: If you take photos from the book, make slides, and show them to a class, you're fine. Making slides to display for an educational presentation is well within every interpretation of copyright law I've ever read. Note that I refer specifically to educational presentation. If you are putting on a show for entertainment (even for free), you are no longer on firm ground. If you make handouts with copies of the images, you are on muddier ground, because people can take the images home with them. If you make a CD and distribute it to the students, even as a textbook of sorts, you're over the line (regardless of whether they pay any money). These count as publishing. If you put one of the pictures on a poster for a school event, you are over the line, but probably no one will bother you about it. If you put a picture into a newsletter or magazine, or onto a web page, you are over the line and may very well be pursued over it. This is something I have experienced from both sides! And when was I pursued? Not me, but the magazine I worked for. Our designer created a cover design that used a Superman type treatment about super fund raisers and a visual image of an office worker opening his shirt to reveal a dollar sign treated like Superman's S. DC Comics saw one and made us destroy every remaining copy. I don't remember if we had to pay money too. Another, less disastrous example. In leafing through a trade magazine, I noticed an article on a magazine designer that included a photo of him in his studio. Clearly visible on the wall of the studio was a piece of art showing an illuminated alphabet -- a signed and numbered art print I recognized because I own the same print myself. Amused, I sent a copy of the magazine to the artist, who was a personal friend. He saw something I hadn't noticed: The article itself used, as a decorative element, one of the illuminated letters taken from the poster. The photo of the framed poster on the wall was fine. The lifting of the letter from the poster and its placement as an art element in a published article was theft. My friend sent a thank-you note to me, and sent a modest bill for his graphic artwork to the magazine editor. The bill was paid. I myself have had a copyright case in court, part of a group of a dozen writers who did work for a company that declared bankruptcy before paying us. As part of its bankruptcy proceedings, it sold its intellectual assets, including the work that we had written. We sued on grounds that they didn't yet own copyright to the work and thus couldn't legally sell it. We won. Having established our claim to the property (which we didn't really care about, as the articles were made to suit a particular publication and weren't useful to us), our lawyer then negotiated a small settlement with the purchasing company to give up our claim. Pennies on the dollar compared to what we would have gotten in pay for our work, but at least it was something. Closer to the point here: I use slides of artwork in my lectures, as many as 100 in a single lecture. Some come from books. Some come from the artwork itself; of the latter, some of the photos were taken under explicit agreements with the owning libraries/museums regarding how I would use the images (e.g. research and teaching, but not publication or distribution). My use is legal; if I disseminated the images, it would not be. When I have used images in my published papers, I have paid for reproduction permission. Last time I did a lecture, I was almost at the end before I learned that someone in the audience had been using her cellphone to take a picture of every single one of my slides. (The room is dark when I show slides, so I didn't see her.) We had a serious talk. If one of those carefully negotiated photos appears on a website, it could destroy my relationship with a museum. From now on, I will have to make an announcement that This Is Not Permitted. This question never came up 10 years ago! --Robin _ Windows Live
Re: **JUNK** RE: [h-cost] costume photos
Robin Netherton wrote: And when was I pursued? Not me, but the magazine I worked for. Our designer created a cover design that used a Superman type treatment about super fund raisers and a visual image of an office worker opening his shirt to reveal a dollar sign treated like Superman's S. DC Comics saw one and made us destroy every remaining copy. I don't remember if we had to pay money too. That's trademark, an entirely different and much stranger subject. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
Robin Netherton wrote: But I'm not publishing the photos I copy. You keep using the word publish. I was speaking about copyright law, not about you specifically; I didn't want the previous comment (you only need permission if you're making money off it) to stand without discussion, because the issue of money is so often misunderstood. Whether you need permission does not depend on whether money changes hands. In your case, you may well not need permission anyway, but whether you're making money doesn't have anything to do with that. Copyright law focuses on publishing Actually, copyright literally covers making copies, and does not only apply to distribution or sale of them. Scanning is copying. Photocopying is copying. Using a digital camera to capture a book is copying. This is why it's illegal to copy a copyrighted book to save yourself the price of buying it; you're publishing a one-off for yourself. Likewise, educational use legally applies to education that takes place within educational institutions, and not to an individual reading any book he or she may find informative (which after all applies to every nonfiction work). Fran Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: **JUNK** RE: [h-cost] costume photos
I wrote And when was I pursued? Not me, but the magazine I worked for. Our designer created a cover design that used a Superman type treatment about super fund raisers and a visual image of an office worker opening his shirt to reveal a dollar sign treated like Superman's S. DC Comics saw one and made us destroy every remaining copy. I don't remember if we had to pay money too. That's trademark, an entirely different and much stranger subject. Oops, yes, you're right. I was mentally meandering around examples of rights, and remembered the one time I worked at a publication that was hit for a violation. Trademark, in this case, though I suppose if our designer had actually taken the art off a comic book cover and used it in his design, copyright would have come into play too! --Robin _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
