[h-cost] Patterns date question
I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. I have been asked to make that costume for reenactment in the Netherlands during the 1sth world war. And I wonder if that dress is the right period. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
On Wednesday 11 March 2009 7:26:04 am Deredere Galbraith wrote: I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. I have been asked to make that costume for reenactment in the Netherlands during the 1sth world war. And I wonder if that dress is the right period. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg De: the costume shown doesn't look to be particularly period to me for any period, but it looks more like an 1890s outfit than anything else. So I'm inclined to say, no, it's not right for WWI. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding. --Ben Yahtzee Croshaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
Ye, I agree, this is not any particular period but it is trying to be vaguely Victorian. If you can find the patterns that were released after 'Titanic' became popular, you will be much closer to the corrrect style. Like these: http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/19gapadrbyfo.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/hiofhi19shco.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html (This is not an endorsement of either the patterns or the site, just some examples) Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:53:41 -0400 On Wednesday 11 March 2009 7:26:04 am Deredere Galbraith wrote: I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. I have been asked to make that costume for reenactment in the Netherlands during the 1sth world war. And I wonder if that dress is the right period. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg De: the costume shown doesn't look to be particularly period to me for any period, but it looks more like an 1890s outfit than anything else. So I'm inclined to say, no, it's not right for WWI. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding. --Ben Yahtzee Croshaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmPjr9ZNDaxqfzgQyAchwEkDfl2fkJ56vpkVpiz7f4uOTpdoTOg/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
There is a Past Patterns pattern called the Armistice Blouse which is the correct period. I think they have a skirt that goes with it, too, otherwise, a narrow, ankle length one will do. And if the re-enactment is showing the deprivations of the war, just use early 1900's. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of penhal...@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:37 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question Ye, I agree, this is not any particular period but it is trying to be vaguely Victorian. If you can find the patterns that were released after 'Titanic' became popular, you will be much closer to the corrrect style. Like these: http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/19gapadrbyfo.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/hiofhi19shco.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html (This is not an endorsement of either the patterns or the site, just some examples) Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:53:41 -0400 On Wednesday 11 March 2009 7:26:04 am Deredere Galbraith wrote: I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. I have been asked to make that costume for reenactment in the Netherlands during the 1sth world war. And I wonder if that dress is the right period. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg De: the costume shown doesn't look to be particularly period to me for any period, but it looks more like an 1890s outfit than anything else. So I'm inclined to say, no, it's not right for WWI. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding. --Ben Yahtzee Croshaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmPjr9ZNDaxqfzgQyAchwEkD fl2fkJ56vpkVpiz7f4uOTpdoTOg/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
Definitely NOT 1914-1916. I once did a show during WWI (took place in England) and those years are actually kinda hard to pin down. The hobble skirt (think My Fair Lady) is on the way out but the 1920's are not here yet...but showing a bit. I learned things still have a strict...sometimes bonedunderstructure but basically things are draped on this structure to look completely Unstructured. There are rarely darts to fit things but tucks and pleats (that release) are everywhere to give things a kinda unfitted shape. The narrow skirt of the earlier times is sometimes there, but also a wider, almost A line skirt is present...and at a slightly higher than ankle length. Blouses and skirts are all the rageas are military details on suits and coats, like pleated patch pockets, big buttons everywhere and even epaulettes on the shoulder. Of the patterns suggested by penhalion http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/19gapadrbyfo.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/hiofhi19shco.html _http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html_ (http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html) are the best (notice the fullness of the skirts) _http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html_ (http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html) looks too early. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
That almost-A-line skirt is a walking skirt, and Folkwear has a lovely pattern. On my way out the door or I'd look up the number...but of course it's on their website --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Mar 11, 2009, at 12:40 PM, albert...@aol.com wrote: Definitely NOT 1914-1916. I once did a show during WWI (took place in England) and those years are actually kinda hard to pin down. The hobble skirt (think My Fair Lady) is on the way out but the 1920's are not here yet...but showing a bit. I learned things still have a strict...sometimes bonedunderstructure but basically things are draped on this structure to look completely Unstructured. There are rarely darts to fit things but tucks and pleats (that release) are everywhere to give things a kinda unfitted shape. The narrow skirt of the earlier times is sometimes there, but also a wider, almost A line skirt is present...and at a slightly higher than ankle length. Blouses and skirts are all the rageas are military details on suits and coats, like pleated patch pockets, big buttons everywhere and even epaulettes on the shoulder. Of the patterns suggested by penhalion http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/19gapadrbyfo.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/hiofhi19shco.html _http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html_ (http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html) are the best (notice the fullness of the skirts) _http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html_ (http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html) looks too early. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol? redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
Almost there. I think a bit too early for 1911. But, I do see where you are going with this. Remove ruffles, lengthen, loosen and widen the coat for more of 1911 fall dress something like this maybe: http://www.korthalsgriffonclub.co.uk/uploads/image/earlydays%20group%20of%20owners%201911.jpg I like it. Thank you for reminding me of one of my favorite periods. From: Deredere Galbraith tria...@kabelfoon.nl Subject: To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 49b79fcc.3090...@kabelfoon.nl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. I have been asked to make that costume for reenactment in the Netherlands during the 1sth world war. And I wonder if that dress is the right period. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg --- End of Original Message --- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com wrote: From: Deredere wrote: I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg De: the costume shown doesn't look to be particularly period to me for any period, but it looks more like an 1890s outfit than anything else. So I'm inclined to say, no, it's not right for WWI. Cathy Raymond Looks like a 1980s costume alleged to be 1890s. A good source for WWI costumes: from the Costumer's Manifesto website, Edwardian era on the (Costume) History by Period. There are two tailoring books with diagrams and many other patterns also. Ann in CT ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On Wednesday 11 March 2009 9:09:21 pm Ann Catelli wrote: --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com wrote: From: Deredere wrote: I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg De: the costume shown doesn't look to be particularly period to me for any period, but it looks more like an 1890s outfit than anything else. So I'm inclined to say, no, it's not right for WWI. Cathy Raymond Looks like a 1980s costume alleged to be 1890s. Except for the hemline, maybe. :-) -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding. --Ben Yahtzee Croshaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] measuring question for pleats
Dear list Is there a simple way of measuring/marking fabric that is 94cm wide and need to have a piece of fabric 194cm wide pleated onto it, where the pleats are inverted and all need to be the same size? Bye for now, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] measuring question for pleats
Sorry, my measurements were wrong - it should read as: fabric 94cm fabric to pleat to fit above 284cm Image: http://www.simplicity.com/section/sewtips/graphics/invertedPleat.gif Bye for now, Aylwen On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Aylwen Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear list Is there a simple way of measuring/marking fabric that is 94cm wide and need to have a piece of fabric 194cm wide pleated onto it, where the pleats are inverted and all need to be the same size? Bye for now, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] measuring question for pleats
Subject: [h-cost] measuring question for pleats Dear list Is there a simple way of measuring/marking fabric that is 94cm wide and need to have a piece of fabric 194cm wide pleated onto it, where the pleats are inverted and all need to be the same size? Bye for now, Aylwen ___ Yes. Don't worry about measurements. Pin the ends of the two bands together, about where the seam allowance will end up.. Find the middles of both pieces of fabric, and pin them together. Find the middles of what's left and pin them together. Repeat until your pins are about as far apart on the shorter piece of fabric as you want your pleats to be. Since you're doing inverted pleats, find middles and pin one more time. The last bit is harder to explain than it would be to demonstrate: manipulate the fabric into the inverted pleats you want. Okay, the shorter piece I'm going to call the band, and the looped longer piece is the bubbles. Smooth the first two bubbles together, up tight against the second pin. (The first pin is about where your seam allowance will be. The second pin separates the two bubbles) Flatten your inverted pleat and pin to the band. Continue with the rest of the pleats. Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] measuring question for pleats
In a message dated 3/11/2009 10:52:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, e...@huskers.unl.edu writes: Is there a simple way of measuring/marking fabric that is 94cm wide and need to have a piece of fabric 194cm wide pleated onto it, where the pleats are inverted and all need to be the same size? Bye for now, Aylwen ___ Yes. Don't worry about measurements. *** I was gonna say: Yes. Math. Full return pleats require 3 times the finished length. Otherwise, you subtract the finished length from the total length of the unpleated fabric. What's left over is how much must be taken up in the returns. Decide how many pleats you want, divide the return length by that number and you know how deep each pleat must be. (I'm not going to do it for you) **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Yes. Don't worry about measurements. *** I was gonna say: Yes. Math. - And this is why I love this list. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] measuring question for pleats
I guess this is another good reason why all girls should do math at school! Bye for now, toddling off now to do the math.. Aylwen On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:37 PM, e...@huskers.unl.edu e...@huskers.unl.edu wrote: Yes. Don't worry about measurements. *** I was gonna say: Yes. Math. - And this is why I love this list. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
