[h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats?
Still in relation to the research on early Indonesian post-independence fashion, I'm just starting to notice on contemporary photographs from 1945-1955 that many men who wore suits or sport coats without ties often wore their unbuttoned shirt collars _outside_ the coat (i.e. on top of the coat's collar rather than tucked underneath). Before this I only knew of the practice from Japanese and German army desert or tropical uniforms, so was this really a particular fad of the 40s throughout both civilian and military spheres? If so, I suppose this could be one of those small details that could add a great deal of verisimilitude to the reconstructions with virtually no additional cost and very little effort. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats?
At 18:18 23/06/2011, you wrote: I'm just starting to notice on contemporary photographs from 1945-1955 that many men who wore suits or sport coats without ties often wore their unbuttoned shirt collars _outside_ the coat (i.e. on top of the coat's collar rather than tucked underneath). This was prevalent in England during that time and I'm sure, into the sixties. In fact I think I've seen photos from the thirties with this style - especially for hiking or camping. Jill JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats?
I have a photo of my father and uncle strolling down a street in Atlanta, Suits and white shirts, collars open and over the coats, no hats. In contrast, a man seen in a doorway behind them looks like a 30s gangster in suit, tie, and jauntily tilted hat. Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jill Hadfield Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? At 18:18 23/06/2011, you wrote: I'm just starting to notice on contemporary photographs from 1945-1955 that many men who wore suits or sport coats without ties often wore their unbuttoned shirt collars _outside_ the coat (i.e. on top of the coat's collar rather than tucked underneath). This was prevalent in England during that time and I'm sure, into the sixties. In fact I think I've seen photos from the thirties with this style - especially for hiking or camping. Jill JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats?
And pictures of my dapper father in his teens and twentys with the same style in San Francisco. I think it was a universal style for casual wear. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Tracy Thallas fathal...@collinscom.netwrote: I have a photo of my father and uncle strolling down a street in Atlanta, Suits and white shirts, collars open and over the coats, no hats. In contrast, a man seen in a doorway behind them looks like a 30s gangster in suit, tie, and jauntily tilted hat. Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jill Hadfield Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? At 18:18 23/06/2011, you wrote: I'm just starting to notice on contemporary photographs from 1945-1955 that many men who wore suits or sport coats without ties often wore their unbuttoned shirt collars _outside_ the coat (i.e. on top of the coat's collar rather than tucked underneath). This was prevalent in England during that time and I'm sure, into the sixties. In fact I think I've seen photos from the thirties with this style - especially for hiking or camping. Jill JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats?
Maybe it was the Rebel Without A Cause style of the era? Funny, I never think of open collars + pre-WWII... even pics of my grandfather, etc, from the farm had shirts buttoned all the way up. Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? And pictures of my dapper father in his teens and twentys with the same style in San Francisco. I think it was a universal style for casual wear. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Tracy Thallas fathal...@collinscom.netwrote: I have a photo of my father and uncle strolling down a street in Atlanta, Suits and white shirts, collars open and over the coats, no hats. In contrast, a man seen in a doorway behind them looks like a 30s gangster in suit, tie, and jauntily tilted hat. Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jill Hadfield Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? At 18:18 23/06/2011, you wrote: I'm just starting to notice on contemporary photographs from 1945-1955 that many men who wore suits or sport coats without ties often wore their unbuttoned shirt collars _outside_ the coat (i.e. on top of the coat's collar rather than tucked underneath). This was prevalent in England during that time and I'm sure, into the sixties. In fact I think I've seen photos from the thirties with this style - especially for hiking or camping. Jill JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats?
The difference between farmers/immigrants and city people/first generation citizens? My immigrant grandfather who had been a farmer in the old country and in his youth here in the US, always wore a tie and a hat outside the house, even walking the dog, even in his 90s. My father, San Francisco born in 1930, was very American as a first generation person would be. He only visited the farm in Fresno for summer, never worked there. There are lots of pictures of Dad, the dandy of his family, in the 1940s and into the 50s with his collar outside his jacket. LynnD On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Tracy Thallas fathal...@collinscom.netwrote: Maybe it was the Rebel Without A Cause style of the era? Funny, I never think of open collars + pre-WWII... even pics of my grandfather, etc, from the farm had shirts buttoned all the way up. Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? And pictures of my dapper father in his teens and twentys with the same style in San Francisco. I think it was a universal style for casual wear. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Tracy Thallas fathal...@collinscom.netwrote: I have a photo of my father and uncle strolling down a street in Atlanta, Suits and white shirts, collars open and over the coats, no hats. In contrast, a man seen in a doorway behind them looks like a 30s gangster in suit, tie, and jauntily tilted hat. Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jill Hadfield Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? At 18:18 23/06/2011, you wrote: I'm just starting to notice on contemporary photographs from 1945-1955 that many men who wore suits or sport coats without ties often wore their unbuttoned shirt collars _outside_ the coat (i.e. on top of the coat's collar rather than tucked underneath). This was prevalent in England during that time and I'm sure, into the sixties. In fact I think I've seen photos from the thirties with this style - especially for hiking or camping. Jill JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats?
Could be. My husband's father and uncle were immigrants from Greece in the 10s, and dressed very properly all their lives. Their sons seemed to have been more inclined to hep cat-ness. ;-) On my father's side, seems more a case of farm/conservative vs townie/newest fashion. Interesting! Time for more photo-hunting! Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:20 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? The difference between farmers/immigrants and city people/first generation citizens? My immigrant grandfather who had been a farmer in the old country and in his youth here in the US, always wore a tie and a hat outside the house, even walking the dog, even in his 90s. My father, San Francisco born in 1930, was very American as a first generation person would be. He only visited the farm in Fresno for summer, never worked there. There are lots of pictures of Dad, the dandy of his family, in the 1940s and into the 50s with his collar outside his jacket. LynnD ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Jaw Dropping: Final Price for Debbie Reynolds costumes
I saw an article last weekend (just before the sale) about Debbie and her collection. In the interview, she said she could no longer afford to care for and store the costumes and the funding for the proposed museum just wasn't coming through. Although she hates to give up the collection, she decided that it just had to be done. Ginni Morgan penn...@costumegallery.com 6/22/11 10:55 PM You are welcome Julie. From what I have read the sell bought 18 million. I didn't hear about the sale until it was on the TV news Saturday. But I didn't see TV or internet from June 1-12 because of my son's wedding. I did some backtracking to find out the info that I shared with you all. I have joined Profiles in History Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/ProfilesInHistory to receive updates. That is where I found out that the next sale is in Dec. Maybe we can order the next catalog's sale when they announce its publication. I'll make sure to let you know when it is available. People are begging for another issue to be published of the first catalog. Maybe because of Debbie's age that she decided to sell the collection. She is 77 years old. There are supposed to have been a museum for her collection near Dollywood. I guess it fell through. snip CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Jaw Dropping: Final Price for Debbie Reynolds costumes
So why didn't she just sell a couple of the costumes and use the money to fund the museum? Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of penn...@costumegallery.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:56 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jaw Dropping: Final Price for Debbie Reynolds costumes You are welcome Julie. From what I have read the sell bought 18 million. I didn't hear about the sale until it was on the TV news Saturday. But I didn't see TV or internet from June 1-12 because of my son's wedding. I did some backtracking to find out the info that I shared with you all. I have joined Profiles in History Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/ProfilesInHistory to receive updates. That is where I found out that the next sale is in Dec. Maybe we can order the next catalog's sale when they announce its publication. I'll make sure to let you know when it is available. People are begging for another issue to be published of the first catalog. Maybe because of Debbie's age that she decided to sell the collection. She is 77 years old. There are supposed to have been a museum for her collection near Dollywood. I guess it fell through. From reading their FB page, there were several buyers. Some of Errol Flynn's costumes went to a small museum in Ohio. I was sad that I missed the auction being a live feed online. My daughter-in-law saw some of the auction on TVs in Vegas casinos. A couple of people on my business FB page had bought the catalogs. I don't know how they heard about the auction. I would have flown in to see the collection if I had known about it beforehand. There were three preview dates and people were allowed to photograph the costumes. The VA is going to exhibit a select few of the costumes. There is a page in the beginning of the book. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history One year Library subscription sale for $45 until June 30 FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Pattern system scales
Hello, Has anyone ever seen the pattern scales that were used with Thompson's Universal System, by Mrs. F.E. Thompson? I have scales for a couple of other systems, but the scales were unique to each system and I cannot find any for Thompson's anywhere. I'd love to have copies of them as I want to produce some of the patterns in her system and eventually to have a class on using the period pattern systems. There are no scales on costumes.org, though Tara does have some of the Thompson's pages. Thanks! Laurie T. Phoenix ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help
Yup, that's her. http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/25836/1/ertk1721.jpg The effigy is pretty typical of upper class burials of the period, including the fact that the clothing styles are mostly static from about 1470, or so. The armor on the spouses is even more archaic. My ex-husband says, 1066 is contemporary, as a joke. I have 5 weeks to get the gown and headdress done. The crispinettes are to be covered in gold-embroidered velvet or velveteen (hopefully) using a blackwork fill pattern cause that's what it looks like, and the veil for the back is in progress. What I don't know, for sure, is the construction of the crispinettes (horns) or the way to put the whole thing together. Any input gratefully accepted. Thanks. Ever, Regina in L.A. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
