Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
Love them. Just make sure to use them like you would reeds or baleen: ie every channel or every second channel. And make sure to bone the entire thing or get some additional support in there. Metal is a newer material and essentially allowed for a lot of cutting back of the amount of boning required. Baleen also forms and shapes to the wearer over time and so do some metal bones (some vintage pieces show this). > The only real problem I've had with them is that in order to get them > longer than about 14", you have to go up to a thicker/wider tie (or > order off the interweb). Or go to a trade electrical supply store :) There is a chain of them here in NZ where I can pick up ~7mm X 450mm long easy peasy :) You can also buy it as continual lengths if you ask for them to get it in stock (actually works even more like baleen but you need to sand the rough lumps off (these use a small metal tip to tie). regards, Michaela http://glittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
They do work well; they just have different properties than other types of boning. Zip/cable ties provide much lighter support and stiffening than steel of the same thickness. They bend more easily, which makes them ideal for the areas of a corset where you want the corset to shape itself to the body rather than the other way around (like the bust of an overbust fashion corset). They're great as a cheap alternative to real or faux whalebone in a fully boned pair of stays--you can stuff the stays full of boning, without adding pounds to the weight. They don't breathe, but then again neither do most of the options. They're incredibly easy to cut to size. The only real problem I've had with them is that in order to get them longer than about 14", you have to go up to a thicker/wider tie (or order off the interweb). Personally, I can't stand the thicker/wider ones, but that's mostly an aesthetic thing; I like the narrower bone channels and I don't like the way the thicker ones look under clothing. If I want the stiffness of the thicker ones, I just use a steel bone instead. Speaking of which, using both types in the same corset works really well, especially in Victorian corsets; you only need a few key steel bones to get the right shape, and then can use several ties to keep things firm and the fabric unwrinkled. -E House On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list about > using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is a URL > for an example: > http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=view¤t=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg > > The professors say that it works very well. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
I have a very old Elizabethan pair that were made with the narrow zip ties. I loved the thing. More than a decade of fair wear, and they lasted with only one bone ever breaking, and it never worked through the canvas layers (2 layers). The whole front is solid boning, and the back is every other channel. I gained weight, I lost weight, and it held me through to even my largest size 24. The only issue is that there is a bend in the waistline, because I could and often did bend over to pick something up or to tie my shoes. But that bend line is not seen once the rest of the outfit is put on over it. They are only now being replaced with an effigy style body, made with flat oval reeds this time. I wanted to see how well reeds hold up in comparison. Kimiko --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Penny Ladnier wrote: > From: Penny Ladnier > Subject: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties > To: "h-costume" > Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 5:40 PM > There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers > email list about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has > anyone tried this? Here is a URL for an example: ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
Hi I made a set--works very nicely..and I'm not small. I cut the ends off and rounded them. They are in two layers of canvas... Ta Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
At 06:11 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote: If you are a size 22, these are not strong enough for a corset. I tried. Susan I'm about a size 22 and they worked fine for me. I just made certain that the boning was pretty solid. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
At 05:52 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote: What a clever idea! However, does it retain any kind of shaping to the wearers silhouette? Sidney I haven't noticed any problem with that. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
At 05:40 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote: There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is a URL for an example: http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=view¤t=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg The professors say that it works very well. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history That's what I used in my last Elizabethan corset. I'm planning to do a Victorian corset with the same stuff. I like the ones that are 24 or 36 inches long (the longer, the wider and thicker); they are easy to cut with a pair of craft scissors. Just nip off the sharp edges to make the tip slightly rounded \___/; I have not had any trouble with them poking through the coutil. They are a bit thicker than corset steels, but much lighter in weight. Plus they don't rust. And I'm not a tiny gal, but I get good support. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
I had made many corsets with duct ties. There's a big difference in stiffness between duct ties and zip ties. Duct ties are with the air conditioning stuff at home depot. They're about 1/2" wide and I usually buy the ones that are 36" long. I love working with them because they're easy to trim with scissors, inexpensive and easy to obtain at my local home depot. I really have nothing but good things to say about my experience using them. If you're worried about them poking through I have melted the edges with a lighter to smooth them for use with thinner fabric. -Robin On 3/1/09, e...@huskers.unl.edu wrote: > > This is a zip-tie corset: > http://anvil.unl.edu/emma/clothing/images/undies2large.jpg > http://anvil.unl.edu/emma/clothing/images/undieslarge.jpg > > I find zip ties to be a little bulky, and I've had problems with them > wearing through the fabric pretty quickly. However, I've only just now made > my first coutil/steel boning corset, so they may be no worse than anything > else. > > Note: if you don't run a line of stitching on the top of a boning channel, > zip ties can creep, due to the one-way teeth that makes zip ties work. It's > very odd to have a bone suddenly coming over your shoulder through the > strap. > > I have not had any problems with the boning remembering shape. At the end > of the day, they're still straight. > > Emma > > > > There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list > about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is > a URL for an example: > > http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=view¤t=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg > > The professors say that it works very well. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history > ___ > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
This is a zip-tie corset: http://anvil.unl.edu/emma/clothing/images/undies2large.jpg http://anvil.unl.edu/emma/clothing/images/undieslarge.jpg I find zip ties to be a little bulky, and I've had problems with them wearing through the fabric pretty quickly. However, I've only just now made my first coutil/steel boning corset, so they may be no worse than anything else. Note: if you don't run a line of stitching on the top of a boning channel, zip ties can creep, due to the one-way teeth that makes zip ties work. It's very odd to have a bone suddenly coming over your shoulder through the strap. I have not had any problems with the boning remembering shape. At the end of the day, they're still straight. Emma There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is a URL for an example: http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=view¤t=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg The professors say that it works very well. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
If you are a size 22, these are not strong enough for a corset. I tried. Susan On Mar 1, 09, at 8:40 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is a URL for an example: http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=view¤t=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg The professors say that it works very well. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
What a clever idea! However, does it retain any kind of shaping to the wearers silhouette? Sidney On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list > about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is > a URL for an example: > > http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=view¤t=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg > > The professors say that it works very well. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history > ___ > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is a URL for an example: http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=view¤t=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg The professors say that it works very well. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
