Re:[h-cost] Ruffs in modern use
I like the fact that the lady uses an electric poking-stick (I can understand enough of the text to make that out)! British clergy don't wear ruffs, but some boy choristers wear pleated neckbands or other styles of archaic neckwear. My friends' son who was head chorister at Chichester Cathedral wore a falling-band. Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] ruffs on the head?
If you're talking about the woman on the right, that's not a ruff per se, but rather a goffered veil, where a small ruffle has been woven into the edge of the veil as part of the cloth (there are a number of theories on how this was done) and the cloth is folded back and forth over the head a few times to build up the thick frill. Several enterprising weavers out there have done a reconstruction of the weave necessary, though I can't seem to find any decent links... Astrida ** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: (603) 862-2191 ** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] ruffs on the head? Here i found an interresting article looking for ruffs. This is older though and not a collar but a headwear, medieval. Nice reconstruktion: http://www.aabne-samlinger.dk/naestved/historie/hoveddug.pdf Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] ruffs on the head?
Oh rats! We were going to try this ourselves. If you do find any links or sources who you know have done this but don't have anything up online, we'd love to know. Thanks, Sg - Original Message - From: Schaeffer, Astrida [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Several enterprising weavers out there have done a reconstruction of the weave necessary, though I can't seem to find any decent links... Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ruffs in modern use
I'm reading this weeks Economist 22 Sept 07 International section, and found a picture of a clergyman (woman?) hard to tell s/he has a very soft face) in low ruff. The text says this might be a lutheran bishop. I always thought ruffs, even for the clergy, had gone the way of the dodo. http://www.economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9854782 --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruffs in modern use
Hah, they use them at every service here in denmark. Tania Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reading this weeks Economist 22 Sept 07 International section, and found a picture of a clergyman (woman?) hard to tell s/he has a very soft face) in low ruff. The text says this might be a lutheran bishop. I always thought ruffs, even for the clergy, had gone the way of the dodo. http://www.economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9854782 --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruffs in modern use
At 18:36 24/09/2007, you wrote: I'm reading this weeks Economist 22 Sept 07 International section, and found a picture of a clergyman (woman?) hard to tell s/he has a very soft face) in low ruff. The text says this might be a lutheran bishop. I always thought ruffs, even for the clergy, had gone the way of the dodo. http://www.economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9854782 --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] I recently made a ruff for a civic official of a town in England. Mind you - they do wear very archaic clothing, based on Elizabethan/Tudor flat hats, academic gowns and so on. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] ruffs in modern use
Here you can see the danish ruffs how they are pleated in the organ piped pleats: http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/78158 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use
Forgot to mention you can see the ruff to the left how it looks when it has ben starched in rice starch, next she uses the hot iron 8 times in all before the pleats are satisfied in look. She tells it is a job for a pensioneer, because it takes long time.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use Here you can see the danish ruffs how they are pleated in the organ piped pleats: http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/78158 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use
Really cool! I had no idea they were in use today. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use
I'm lazy. I sewed fishing line in the edge of my ruff so I don't have to starch it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use Forgot to mention you can see the ruff to the left how it looks when it has ben starched in rice starch, next she uses the hot iron 8 times in all before the pleats are satisfied in look. She tells it is a job for a pensioneer, because it takes long time.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: [h-cost] ruffs in modern use Here you can see the danish ruffs how they are pleated in the organ piped pleats: http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/78158 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] ruffs on the head?
Here i found an interresting article looking for ruffs. This is older though and not a collar but a headwear, medieval. Nice reconstruktion: http://www.aabne-samlinger.dk/naestved/historie/hoveddug.pdf Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruffs
At 20:09 13/03/2006, you wrote: Now I'm curious: how many people actually starch their ruffs after they're made like I do? And I'm curious if anyone has found something permanent to deal with the ruffs. There is a type of stuff sold at craft stores for making baskets out of lace doilies. It sets up permanently and supposedly doesn't wash out. I've used white glue thinned with water for craft items but never on clothing. Julie Straw stiffener, what you use on millinery straw (and hats) to keep it in shape, is pretty effective, and transparent. Use in a well ventilated room though - it can have odd effects. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruffs
At 12:34 PM 3/13/2006, you wrote: At 20:09 13/03/2006, you wrote: Now I'm curious: how many people actually starch their ruffs after they're made like I do? And I'm curious if anyone has found something permanent to deal with the ruffs. There is a type of stuff sold at craft stores for making baskets out of lace doilies. It sets up permanently and supposedly doesn't wash out. I've used white glue thinned with water for craft items but never on clothing. Julie Straw stiffener, what you use on millinery straw (and hats) to keep it in shape, is pretty effective, and transparent. Use in a well ventilated room though - it can have odd effects. Suzi But what does it feel like against the skin? I'd expect it to be very irritating to have something stiff under my chin like that. Regular starch is resilient enough to not be too irritating. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Thee is a stuff wich is used to permanent water proof felt hats. I used that for a standing band once, and it worked well. The band had lace on it, chinese bobbin lace, wich i baught as doylies once. Sorry i cant remember the name of the stuff, but it also starched the band same time. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:09 PM Subject: [h-cost] Ruffs Now I'm curious: how many people actually starch their ruffs after they're made like I do? And I'm curious if anyone has found something permanent to deal with the ruffs. There is a type of stuff sold at craft stores for making baskets out of lace doilies. It sets up permanently and supposedly doesn't wash out. I've used white glue thinned with water for craft items but never on clothing. Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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That and you lose out on the fun of washing and starching ruffs...something I actually enjoy doing...kinda little and boring an can be done on my own time. kelly Straw stiffener, what you use on millinery straw (and hats) to keep it in shape, is pretty effective, and transparent. Use in a well ventilated room though - it can have odd effects. Suzi But what does it feel like against the skin? I'd expect it to be very irritating to have something stiff under my chin like that. Regular starch is resilient enough to not be too irritating. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 3/13/2006 3:36:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Straw stiffener, what you use on millinery straw (and hats) to keep it in shape, What we sometimes call Hat Lacquer. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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That goo is called decopage glue. I've used it on doilies before and it does make it very stiff. When it's dry, it's permenant. Glue will wilt when wet. Decogage won't. I'm not too sure how much water it would take but it definitely a stiff that will last much longer. - Original Message - From: Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruffs At 12:34 PM 3/13/2006, you wrote: At 20:09 13/03/2006, you wrote: Now I'm curious: how many people actually starch their ruffs after they're made like I do? And I'm curious if anyone has found something permanent to deal with the ruffs. There is a type of stuff sold at craft stores for making baskets out of lace doilies. It sets up permanently and supposedly doesn't wash out. I've used white glue thinned with water for craft items but never on clothing. Julie Straw stiffener, what you use on millinery straw (and hats) to keep it in shape, is pretty effective, and transparent. Use in a well ventilated room though - it can have odd effects. Suzi But what does it feel like against the skin? I'd expect it to be very irritating to have something stiff under my chin like that. Regular starch is resilient enough to not be too irritating. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruffs
I've been meaning to try...in addition to some stiffening agent like starch or hat lacquer...zig-zaging some fishing line to the edge of the ruff. If you're attaching some lace to the edge with a narrow zig-zag, why not do it over some medium strength fishing line? If you get the right gauge, it could greatly help in achieving smooth, bouncy 8's. But I haven't tried it. It's as invisible as that nylon thread they sometimes do blind hems with, but it needs to have more body than the thread. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been meaning to try...in addition to some stiffening agent like starch or hat lacquer...zig-zaging some fishing line to the edge of the ruff. If you're attaching some lace to the edge with a narrow zig-zag, why not do it over some medium strength fishing line? If you get the right gauge, it could greatly help in achieving smooth, bouncy 8's. But I haven't tried it. It's as invisible as that nylon thread they sometimes do blind hems with, but it needs to have more body than the thread. I've seen this done, and by itself, it doesn't work very well. You get a fairly good shape on the edge, but the body of the ruff just collapses--kind of like doing a farthingale with only a single hoop at the bottom. As you suggest, I think you'd have to combine it with another stiffening method to get a good result. You'd also have to tack the figure-eights together where they touch unless you're using something really sturdy to stiffen (and even then, you'd have to pin or clip them together while drying). I don't think starch could withstand the sproing factor of fishing line unless it was really lightweight and you mixed the starch really strong. Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ruffs
Now I'm curious: how many people actually starch their ruffs after they're made like I do? And I'm curious if anyone has found something permanent to deal with the ruffs. There is a type of stuff sold at craft stores for making baskets out of lace doilies. It sets up permanently and supposedly doesn't wash out. I've used white glue thinned with water for craft items but never on clothing. Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruffs
At 23:40 13/03/2006, you wrote: I've been meaning to try...in addition to some stiffening agent like starch or hat lacquer...zig-zaging some fishing line to the edge of the ruff. If you're attaching some lace to the edge with a narrow zig-zag, why not do it over some medium strength fishing line? If you get the right gauge, it could greatly help in achieving smooth, bouncy 8's. But I haven't tried it. It's as invisible as that nylon thread they sometimes do blind hems with, but it needs to have more body than the thread. I use gimp, available in haberdashery/notions stores, for tailoring buttonholes. Works very well. I believe fishing line works very well for those huge, Dutch style ruffs. You might need to use several rows for a really deep ruff though. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruffs
Now I'm curious: how many people actually starch their ruffs after they're made like I do? And I'm curious if anyone has found something permanent to deal with the ruffs. There is a type of stuff sold at craft stores for making baskets out of lace doilies. It sets up permanently and supposedly doesn't wash out. I've used white glue thinned with water for craft items but never on clothing. Julie Straw stiffener, what you use on millinery straw (and hats) to keep it in shape, is pretty effective, and transparent. Use in a well ventilated room though - it can have odd effects. Suzi But what does it feel like against the skin? I'd expect it to be very irritating to have something stiff under my chin like that. Regular starch is resilient enough to not be too irritating. I have never had any complaints, and that is how I do all my ruffs. I wear them myself and I have skin like the Princess and the Pea, super sensitive. I know Jean used that method for ruffs for TV, and actors are notoriously fussy. She would not have put it in her book if lots of people complained - she'd have found another method. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
