[h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Muckinger construction
Otsisto wrote: Muckinger or Muckender (Ger. schnupftuch (sp?) )Is a handkerchief. This is the first I have heard of it being two layers but I am not an expert on this. -Original Message- I have a quick question for those of you who go to the Bristol Ren Faire. Ansel was asking me to make him something called a muckinger which he saw for sale at the Faire. It was a double layer embroidered hanky. Based on his description, I am thinking that the double layer was to cover the back of machine embroidery stitching. Can anybody point me to a description of this accessory? I did a google search and didn't come up with much. None of the examples shown were double layered. I've seen it spelled muckinder (in the Cunnington 17th century book). A Google search on that brings up several definitions, mainly calling it a child's handkerchief worn attached to the clothing. I don't think the double layer construction is essential. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Muckinger construction
The term 'muckinger' is just an Elizabethan term for 'handkercheif'. There's no special construction implied. The double layered-ness is, as you suspected, a modern cheat so that machine embroidery can be used. In period a muckinger might be plain linen or it might have a lace edge or a bit of blackwork around the edge. You are also right in that initials aren't really done that much in period. If there's a symbol Ansel likes to use as a personal 'device', it would be more appropriate to have that embroidered on it. Karen Seamstrix Philadelphia, Lady Scrope BRF, Guild of St. George -- Kate M Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otsisto wrote: Muckinger or Muckender (Ger. schnupftuch (sp?) )Is a handkerchief. This is the first I have heard of it being two layers but I am not an expert on this. -Original Message- I have a quick question for those of you who go to the Bristol Ren Faire. Ansel was asking me to make him something called a muckinger which he saw for sale at the Faire. It was a double layer embroidered hanky. Based on his description, I am thinking that the double layer was to cover the back of machine embroidery stitching. Can anybody point me to a description of this accessory? I did a google search and didn't come up with much. None of the examples shown were double layered. I've seen it spelled muckinder (in the Cunnington 17th century book). A Google search on that brings up several definitions, mainly calling it a child's handkerchief worn attached to the clothing. I don't think the double layer construction is essential. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nNbXPqEZg2JjtrIYvUMWCaKbT5ijRu5WoXx8Yxulaj3rTQs/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] muckinger construction
Well, my husband and I usually pick up hankies at garage sales and use them. However, we are middle-class working folks, so lots of lace and embroidery wouldn't be a good choice for us. I would say a square of linen, hemmed (maybe with hem-stitch?) and a bit of embroidery would be fine...lace if he wants to be pretensious or make an impression with the nobles. Remember, lace is EXPENSIVE at this time, so he would have paid a pretty penny (or pound!) for it. I'm not really sure about the monogram. I can offer, if interested, blackworking a muckinger for you/him. Contact me privately if you're interested! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence at the Dirty Duck Inn Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:32 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] muckinger construction I have a quick question for those of you who go to the Bristol Ren Faire. Ansel was asking me to make him something called a muckinger which he saw for sale at the Faire. It was a double layer embroidered hanky. Based on his description, I am thinking that the double layer was to cover the back of machine embroidery stitching. Can anybody point me to a description of this accessory? I did a google search and didn't come up with much. None of the examples shown were double layered. The ones shown here are mostly lace trimmed. http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/extanthandkerchiefs.html Is that for both men and women? Ansel wanted a monogram F (Frobisher) in the corner. Were monograms popular at the time? I don't recall that being much of a fashion until later. Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] muckinger construction
Muckinger or Muckender (Ger. schnupftuch (sp?) )Is a handkerchief. This is the first I have heard of it being two layers but I am not an expert on this. -Original Message- I have a quick question for those of you who go to the Bristol Ren Faire. Ansel was asking me to make him something called a muckinger which he saw for sale at the Faire. It was a double layer embroidered hanky. Based on his description, I am thinking that the double layer was to cover the back of machine embroidery stitching. Can anybody point me to a description of this accessory? I did a google search and didn't come up with much. None of the examples shown were double layered. The ones shown here are mostly lace trimmed. http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/extanthandkerchiefs.html Is that for both men and women? Ansel wanted a monogram F (Frobisher) in the corner. Were monograms popular at the time? I don't recall that being much of a fashion until later. Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
