Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission Form
OK, Let's try this way Nir Abulaffio wrote: I wish to thank Leon for the service he offered. I used the service about 5 times this year and I am really grateful. This monday 17/12/07 I asked for a permit (for Eli's lecture). I am sorry to admit that for the first time I didn't use it because I came with someone who has a fixed entry permit (my car broke down on that morning). It would be great if we had a free pass, it could be set-up for every monday from 18:15 to 20:00. possibly with a notification message from someone (in the technion) every monday if there a lecture or not. Thank you again for the efforts. Nir. - Nir Abulaffio | University of Haifa, Computer Center Network Engineer| Mount Carmel,Haifa 31905 | tel:+972-4-8240728 fax:+972-4-8249177 On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Orr Dunkelman wrote: I think that the next dates are fixed: 24/12 - Linux premier 7/1 - advanced networking 21/1 - crawlers It is also a good incentive to keep the lectures at standard dates :) On Dec 19, 2007 9:02 PM, Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, As a follow up to previous mail, I talked with Kabat's office and they suggested new way of our communication. Instead registration, they agreed to allow vehicle entry to everyone coming to lecture without any registration.The problem is that we need provide schedule for a number of weeks before with their agenda. Is it possible to us be more responsible with schedule ? -- Leon Romanovsky - Change is inevitable; progress is optional. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux -- Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any human thing supposed to be complete, must for that reason infallibly be faulty -- Herman Melville, Moby Dick. GPG fingerprint: C2D5 C6D6 9A24 9A95 C5B32023 6CAB 4A7C B73F D0AA (This key will never sign Emails, only other PGP keys. The key corresponds to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux -- Leon Romanovsky - Change is inevitable; progress is optional. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission Form
I wish to thank Leon for the service he offered. I used the service about 5 times this year and I am really grateful. This monday 17/12/07 I asked for a permit (for Eli's lecture). I am sorry to admit that for the first time I didn't use it because I came with someone who has a fixed entry permit (my car broke down on that morning). It would be great if we had a free pass, it could be set-up for every monday from 18:15 to 20:00. possibly with a notification message from someone (in the technion) every monday if there a lecture or not. Thank you again for the efforts. Nir. - Nir Abulaffio | University of Haifa, Computer Center Network Engineer| Mount Carmel,Haifa 31905 | tel:+972-4-8240728 fax:+972-4-8249177 On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Orr Dunkelman wrote: I think that the next dates are fixed: 24/12 - Linux premier 7/1 - advanced networking 21/1 - crawlers It is also a good incentive to keep the lectures at standard dates :) On Dec 19, 2007 9:02 PM, Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, As a follow up to previous mail, I talked with Kabat's office and they suggested new way of our communication. Instead registration, they agreed to allow vehicle entry to everyone coming to lecture without any registration.The problem is that we need provide schedule for a number of weeks before with their agenda. Is it possible to us be more responsible with schedule ? -- Leon Romanovsky - Change is inevitable; progress is optional. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux -- Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any human thing supposed to be complete, must for that reason infallibly be faulty -- Herman Melville, Moby Dick. GPG fingerprint: C2D5 C6D6 9A24 9A95 C5B32023 6CAB 4A7C B73F D0AA (This key will never sign Emails, only other PGP keys. The key corresponds to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission Form
I think that the next dates are fixed: 24/12 - Linux premier 7/1 - advanced networking 21/1 - crawlers It is also a good incentive to keep the lectures at standard dates :) On Dec 19, 2007 9:02 PM, Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, As a follow up to previous mail, I talked with Kabat's office and they suggested new way of our communication. Instead registration, they agreed to allow vehicle entry to everyone coming to lecture without any registration. The problem is that we need provide schedule for a number of weeks before with their agenda. Is it possible to us be more responsible with schedule ? -- Leon Romanovsky - Change is inevitable; progress is optional. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux -- Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any human thing supposed to be complete, must for that reason infallibly be faulty -- Herman Melville, Moby Dick. GPG fingerprint: C2D5 C6D6 9A24 9A95 C5B3 2023 6CAB 4A7C B73F D0AA (This key will never sign Emails, only other PGP keys. The key corresponds to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission
On Mon, May 07, 2007, Amichai Rotman wrote about Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission: I worked in Security beck in Jerusalem and have some awarness to the issue. ... Hi, You and several other people talked about security. Do you actually believe that these gatekeepers at the Technion entrances have anything to do with security of the Technion's professors and students? This couldn't be further than the truth. It may have started this way, but right now their main concern is to lower the number of cars parking in the campus. They forgot all about the professors and students that they are supposed to serve and guard - right now, the opposite is the case, and even professors are often harassed when they want to invite people in. Does it strike you odd that (according to the mail quoted earlier), the kabat is more concerned about students, god forbid, entering the Technion in the evening, then criminals or terrorists? This just goes to show you the way his organization really thinks and behaves - it has nothing to do with security. By the way, ever wondered how does checking cars at the entrance going to scare off criminals and terrorists? How hard it is for a terrorist to get into the Technion with a bus, or just drive in and ignore the guard at the entrance (it's not like they're armed with M16s...)? How hard is it for a criminal intending to, for example, burglerize the Technion, drive in with a fake red badge on the windshield? And, anyway, what's the point in checking the criminal's car before, not after, he stolen things? Each attendee will fill out a hard copy form at the next Haifux meeting he/she attends. The forms will then be processed by the Kabat and the VIP cards will be sent by snail-mail (if possible) or picked up by the attendee the next time he/she attends. I suggest you add to this fingerprinting and DNA sequencing. Otherwise, how would you know that a criminal/terrorist hasn't stolen someone's VIP card and using it to blow up the technion and/or steal something? Old-style solutions work the best in the security field. If it were different, we all had key cards and pad locks to our homes... And all hotels would have had key cards instead of keys... Oh, wait, they do! Maybe they're not idiots, after all? :-) I'd also feel a lot better if we could help, even by little, to make the Technion a bit more secure. It's darn too easy to infiltrate and do whatever as it is right now inflitrate? The Technion isn't a top secret army base, it's a thriving city (as its name in Hebrew says) of a few tens of thosands of people. Just like anyone can infiltrate my own neighborhood (a 10 minute walk from the Technion), why should you be afraid that someone can infiltrate the Technion? Is it perhaps better that terrorists/criminals operate in my own neighborhood, and not in the sacred Technion? These are my 2 cents My contribution is worth less than that, even with the declining dollar ;-) -- Nadav Har'El|Wednesday, May 9 2007, 21 Iyyar 5767 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Thousands of years ago, cats were http://nadav.harel.org.il |worshipped as gods. They never forgot. - Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission
Hello Guys, I worked in Security beck in Jerusalem and have some awarness to the issue. As in Networking Security, all you need is one unsecured machine on the network to put the rest in jeopardy. The solution is simple: Each attendee will fill out a hard copy form at the next Haifux meeting he/she attends. The forms will then be processed by the Kabat and the VIP cards will be sent by snail-mail (if possible) or picked up by the attendee the next time he/she attends. The form should have all contact info, car info and a signature. If an e-mail address is provided, the attendee will receive an e-mail notification about the VIP card availability. (It's ready - come pick it up). It's like the Electronic vs. mechanical lock debate to a door Old-style solutions work the best in the security field. If it were different, we all had key cards and pad locks to our homes... I'd also feel a lot better if we could help, even by little, to make the Technion a bit more secure. It's darn too easy to infiltrate and do whatever as it is right now These are my 2 cents On 5/7/07, Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I think that the preferred way is to review report before sending. There is more unnecessary complexity to require users register and after that trying to secure the data (you know there are bad people everywhere). But right now, we(me and Orr) have NO volunteers at all. Bilbo Bugginz wrote: Hi, Leon et al. My 2 Cents: On 5/6/07, Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I talked with Amos (Technion's kabat) and he agreed to allow entrance for haifux audience with vehicles. His requirements are very simple: 1) Limit entry permission only to non-student (Right now we don't need to think about, because we are small group). 2) Fax him report with ID, name and vehicle ID before lecture. It will work only as a group, there is NO need to send one by one. We need volunteers that will write the following modules: 1) Online registration form 2) Report compilation module 3) (If it possible) Report-Fax sending module (I can donate FAX-modem). 4) Status information for administrator via email. I think all these should be reviewed by the administrator, or should be enabled only for ( registered Identity verified )´participants, otherwise anybody ( incl. regular criminals or even terrorists ) can use that form to obtain entry permission into the campus with a vehicle. Please take care of this. Regards, BB -- Leon Romanovsky - Change is inevitable; progress is optional. - Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Leon Romanovsky - Change is inevitable; progress is optional. - Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- .::. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html .::.
Re: [Haifux] Entry Permission
Hi, Leon et al. My 2 Cents: On 5/6/07, Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I talked with Amos (Technion's kabat) and he agreed to allow entrance for haifux audience with vehicles. His requirements are very simple: 1) Limit entry permission only to non-student (Right now we don't need to think about, because we are small group). 2) Fax him report with ID, name and vehicle ID before lecture. It will work only as a group, there is NO need to send one by one. We need volunteers that will write the following modules: 1) Online registration form 2) Report compilation module 3) (If it possible) Report-Fax sending module (I can donate FAX-modem). 4) Status information for administrator via email. I think all these should be reviewed by the administrator, or should be enabled only for ( registered Identity verified )´participants, otherwise anybody ( incl. regular criminals or even terrorists ) can use that form to obtain entry permission into the campus with a vehicle. Please take care of this. Regards, BB -- Leon Romanovsky - Change is inevitable; progress is optional. - Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
