[H] Windows Home Sever - HP
Anyone using that? I am thinking of getting one for ome use. Zulfiqar Naushad
Re: [H] AOL/broadband issue.
When I say AOL in the same sentence, I had to clarify. RR would mean "always on" without regard to AOL's software. So therefore if all other internet traffic is working as expected there would have to be an issue with live update itself. You can download & reinstall LU from symantec's site which might solve you problem. I'd be looking for calls from LiveUpdate, where they are going, and the resulting "state" of the connection. Bobby Heid wrote: > Sorry, I assumed that all Roadrunner was cable. I did not think about using > that tool (which I knew about, but never used). What would I look for? > > I don't think Live update is picking a connection, but I do think it is > using the default connection. And I think AOL is causing some sort of issue > here that Live Update is not handling properly. > > Thanks, > Bobby > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j maccraw > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:00 AM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] AOL/broadband issue. > > Wait, he moved from AOL to RoadRunner what? Cable? > DSL? Dialup? > > Maybe using TCPView from sysinternals to track what is > happening connection wise? Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [H] Vista class action
I didn't upgrade. Vista came installed on a new laptop I bought recently. As a beta tester for Microsoft, I slowly became used to Vista during the beta testing phase, and now prefer it over XP. There isn't one blockbuster feature that sold me, just dozens of little things. Like when you go to rename a file, Vista doesn't highlight the file's extension because most of the time you don't want to change the extension. There are dozens of little nuggets like that. From what I'm told, Vista has a much better security posture than XP, so it should be better at resisting malware attacks. That said, I would not go out of my way to upgrade an XP PC to Vista. In order for Vista to fly it really needs modern hardware like Core 2 Duo processors. Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) -- From: "Brian Weeden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What were the features that Vista has over XP that made it worth the money for you to upgrade?
Re: [H] Belarc Advisor v7.2v
Rick, Mine shows nothing even after multiple reboots. I've removed it for now. I'll try again in the am. Or, perhaps ESET did not $pend some buck$. :) Best, Duncan At 22:24 02/25/2008 -0500, you wrote: Yes (that version has been out awhile.), and mine shows. FWIW, AGV shows as: GRISOFT, s.r.o. - AVG 7.5 Anti-Virus System Version 7.5.0.420 * GRISOFT, s.r.o. - AVG Anti-Virus system Version 7.5.0.504 * Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: "DHSinclair" Has anyone spun up Belarc Advisor v7.2v yet? Wondering why it can not, or will not recognize an in-place A/V proggy on the install machine? No. I did not reboot after install; did not say to... :) Thank you. Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Vista class action
What were the features that Vista has over XP that made it worth the money for you to upgrade? - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Gary VanderMolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's a lot more to Vista than the few items you mentioned. > I fail to see how Basic is all that limiting. I have the Home Premium > edition but have never used the features that set it apart from Basic. > I turned Aero off because I found it too distracting. > > Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) > > > In other words, Vista Basic has none of the "features" that make Vista a > new > > OS and is very limited in how you can use it. > >
Re: [H] Belarc Advisor v7.2v
Yes (that version has been out awhile.), and mine shows. FWIW, AGV shows as: GRISOFT, s.r.o. - AVG 7.5 Anti-Virus System Version 7.5.0.420 * GRISOFT, s.r.o. - AVG Anti-Virus system Version 7.5.0.504 * Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: "DHSinclair" Has anyone spun up Belarc Advisor v7.2v yet? Wondering why it can not, or will not recognize an in-place A/V proggy on the install machine? No. I did not reboot after install; did not say to... :) Thank you. Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Vista class action
There's a lot more to Vista than the few items you mentioned. I fail to see how Basic is all that limiting. I have the Home Premium edition but have never used the features that set it apart from Basic. I turned Aero off because I found it too distracting. Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) In other words, Vista Basic has none of the "features" that make Vista a new OS and is very limited in how you can use it.
[H] Belarc Advisor v7.2v
Has anyone spun up Belarc Advisor v7.2v yet? Wondering why it can not, or will not recognize an in-place A/V proggy on the install machine? No. I did not reboot after install; did not say to... :) Thank you. Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Vista class action
Brian,
All I can offer to this discussion is, "Assumption is the mother of all
future bad things."
Well, I cleaned it up a bit.. :)
Point being, Ben is correct. The "Vista Capable" means just the basic code
base. Nothing more.
If the "buyer" assumes anything else at the point of purchase; well, that
is a trip to buyer's remorse by my logic. I've already lived through this
with MS-DOS, W3.11, W95, OSR2, W98, W98se, and NT3.51. No harm, no foul.
I am still backward just because I still use W2KproSP4. Yes, I know I will
have to move forward. Someday. And, (even though I do not like it much) it
may be to WinXPspx; if it still exists. {maybe not}. My other alternatives
are OSx or some form of *nix. Of this I am sort of certain.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:57 02/25/2008 -0500, you wrote:
I agree with you. But you'd still be pretty pissed if you spent $2,000 on a
new PC in November 2007 and find out that you have to buy a new one in two
months later to run the full windows Vista when the salesmen assured you
that it was "Vista Capable". It was all about driving Christmas sales of
PCs even though Vista wasn't shipping until after the holidays.
Like I said, when the judge said the lawsuit has to argue whether Vista
Basic is still Vista, that's a win for Microsoft.
-
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't agree. It's still the Vista code base. It has more "features"
> and changes from XP.
>
> A BMW 3 series is still a BMW, despite it not having all of the features
> of the 7 series.
>
> Vista Basic is designed for cheap/low-end PC's, so it's not like they'd
> be able to run Aero. Is a cheap home PC going to back up to a network
> share? It's likely to be the only PC in the house. I'm not sure about
> DX10, but again, is it going to be a gaming PC with a crap video card?
> Games? Oh no, no Chess Titans! And Vista Meeting? What's that - the
> replacement for Netmeeting? Is the target demographic going to care
> about it?
>
> If any version of Vista will boot and run on the thing, it's "Vista
> Capable" in my book.
>
> Brian Weeden wrote:
> > To repeat what was posted before, Basic has:
> >
> > * No Aero (the cool glassy GUI for Vista)
> > * No backup to anything but local
> > * No DirectX10
> > * Doesn't come with new Vista games and themes
> > * Windows Vista Meeting not present
> >
> > In other words, Vista Basic has none of the "features" that make Vista a
> new
> > OS and is very limited in how you can use it. And if your PC was
> labeled
> > "Vista Capable" you can't run full Vista on it, only the Basic version.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Brian Weeden
> > Technical Consultant
> > Secure World Foundation
>
Re: [H] Vista class action
It is really two different issues - the "Vista Ready" issue and the "Vista Basic" issue. They were trying to wrap them all into one big lawsuit and that's what the judge said no-no to. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A $2000 computer isn't coming with Vista Basic though. Unless the > upgrade coupon that came with PC's that shipped with XP Home only > entitles you to Vista Home Basic... then I'd see why people are pissed. > > Brian Weeden wrote: > > I agree with you. But you'd still be pretty pissed if you spent $2,000 > on a > > new PC in November 2007 and find out that you have to buy a new one in > two > > months later to run the full windows Vista when the salesmen assured you > > that it was "Vista Capable". It was all about driving Christmas sales > of > > PCs even though Vista wasn't shipping until after the holidays. > > > > Like I said, when the judge said the lawsuit has to argue whether Vista > > Basic is still Vista, that's a win for Microsoft. > > > > - > > Brian Weeden > > Technical Consultant > > Secure World Foundation > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >> I don't agree. It's still the Vista code base. It has more "features" > >> and changes from XP. > >> > >> A BMW 3 series is still a BMW, despite it not having all of the > features > >> of the 7 series. > >> > >> Vista Basic is designed for cheap/low-end PC's, so it's not like they'd > >> be able to run Aero. Is a cheap home PC going to back up to a network > >> share? It's likely to be the only PC in the house. I'm not sure about > >> DX10, but again, is it going to be a gaming PC with a crap video card? > >> Games? Oh no, no Chess Titans! And Vista Meeting? What's that - the > >> replacement for Netmeeting? Is the target demographic going to care > >> about it? > >> > >> If any version of Vista will boot and run on the thing, it's "Vista > >> Capable" in my book. > >> > >> Brian Weeden wrote: > >>> To repeat what was posted before, Basic has: > >>> > >>> * No Aero (the cool glassy GUI for Vista) > >>> * No backup to anything but local > >>> * No DirectX10 > >>> * Doesn't come with new Vista games and themes > >>> * Windows Vista Meeting not present > >>> > >>> In other words, Vista Basic has none of the "features" that make Vista > a > >> new > >>> OS and is very limited in how you can use it. And if your PC was > >> labeled > >>> "Vista Capable" you can't run full Vista on it, only the Basic > version. > >>> > >>> > >>> - > >>> Brian Weeden > >>> Technical Consultant > >>> Secure World Foundation > > >
Re: [H] Vista class action
I'm "downgrading" my tablet from Vista Ultimate to XP Tablet Edition tonight. Seems to me like the XP Home users ended up getting the better end of the deal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Xp home users found out they had no coupons to upgrade to anything. I can tell you that went over like lead balloons. Sent via BlackBerry
Re: [H] Vista class action
Xp home users found out they had no coupons to upgrade to anything. I can tell you that went over like lead balloons. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:10:41 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Vista class action A $2000 computer isn't coming with Vista Basic though. Unless the upgrade coupon that came with PC's that shipped with XP Home only entitles you to Vista Home Basic... then I'd see why people are pissed. Brian Weeden wrote: > I agree with you. But you'd still be pretty pissed if you spent $2,000 on a > new PC in November 2007 and find out that you have to buy a new one in two > months later to run the full windows Vista when the salesmen assured you > that it was "Vista Capable". It was all about driving Christmas sales of > PCs even though Vista wasn't shipping until after the holidays. > > Like I said, when the judge said the lawsuit has to argue whether Vista > Basic is still Vista, that's a win for Microsoft. > > - > Brian Weeden > Technical Consultant > Secure World Foundation > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I don't agree. It's still the Vista code base. It has more "features" >> and changes from XP. >> >> A BMW 3 series is still a BMW, despite it not having all of the features >> of the 7 series. >> >> Vista Basic is designed for cheap/low-end PC's, so it's not like they'd >> be able to run Aero. Is a cheap home PC going to back up to a network >> share? It's likely to be the only PC in the house. I'm not sure about >> DX10, but again, is it going to be a gaming PC with a crap video card? >> Games? Oh no, no Chess Titans! And Vista Meeting? What's that - the >> replacement for Netmeeting? Is the target demographic going to care >> about it? >> >> If any version of Vista will boot and run on the thing, it's "Vista >> Capable" in my book. >> >> Brian Weeden wrote: >>> To repeat what was posted before, Basic has: >>> >>> * No Aero (the cool glassy GUI for Vista) >>> * No backup to anything but local >>> * No DirectX10 >>> * Doesn't come with new Vista games and themes >>> * Windows Vista Meeting not present >>> >>> In other words, Vista Basic has none of the "features" that make Vista a >> new >>> OS and is very limited in how you can use it. And if your PC was >> labeled >>> "Vista Capable" you can't run full Vista on it, only the Basic version. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Brian Weeden >>> Technical Consultant >>> Secure World Foundation >
Re: [H] Vista class action
A $2000 computer isn't coming with Vista Basic though. Unless the upgrade coupon that came with PC's that shipped with XP Home only entitles you to Vista Home Basic... then I'd see why people are pissed. Brian Weeden wrote: I agree with you. But you'd still be pretty pissed if you spent $2,000 on a new PC in November 2007 and find out that you have to buy a new one in two months later to run the full windows Vista when the salesmen assured you that it was "Vista Capable". It was all about driving Christmas sales of PCs even though Vista wasn't shipping until after the holidays. Like I said, when the judge said the lawsuit has to argue whether Vista Basic is still Vista, that's a win for Microsoft. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't agree. It's still the Vista code base. It has more "features" and changes from XP. A BMW 3 series is still a BMW, despite it not having all of the features of the 7 series. Vista Basic is designed for cheap/low-end PC's, so it's not like they'd be able to run Aero. Is a cheap home PC going to back up to a network share? It's likely to be the only PC in the house. I'm not sure about DX10, but again, is it going to be a gaming PC with a crap video card? Games? Oh no, no Chess Titans! And Vista Meeting? What's that - the replacement for Netmeeting? Is the target demographic going to care about it? If any version of Vista will boot and run on the thing, it's "Vista Capable" in my book. Brian Weeden wrote: To repeat what was posted before, Basic has: * No Aero (the cool glassy GUI for Vista) * No backup to anything but local * No DirectX10 * Doesn't come with new Vista games and themes * Windows Vista Meeting not present In other words, Vista Basic has none of the "features" that make Vista a new OS and is very limited in how you can use it. And if your PC was labeled "Vista Capable" you can't run full Vista on it, only the Basic version. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation
Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?
That's no good. How did a power outage corrupt the data? Didn't the NAS shut down? I don't have backups of a lot of my data like TV shows and Photos - the RAID IS my backup. I know that's poor network design, but unless I can afford twice the NAS I need it's all I've got. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Robert Martin Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, something to consider is that the readynas, although touted as a > redundant data device is not without occasional catastrophic problems. I had > a power outage that outlasted the UPS and data got corrupted beyond repair > although none of the hard drives were flawed. My second 500GB drive had no > partition data after the power outage and I was unable to recover it using > various utilities on XPPE, Hirens Boot CD, etc. Luckily I had hard backups > of about 80% of the movies and shows. I was 2 weeks from the end of my > warranty and they upgraded me to the NV+ since the NV is no longer > manufactured. It was assumed that the firmware was corrupted but when I > received the NV+ and installed the drives, the same problem recurred and was > not an issue with the nas, but a data loss on my drives. Neatgear will do > data recovery in cases like this but is fee based and probably not cheap. > > lopaka > > Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Right now I'm using the > TwonkyMediaServer to serve content from my HTPC to > my D-link DSM-520 and it works beautifully, as long as the whole browser > election thing isn't disrupting the entire network. Would I be able to > install that on the ReadyNAS? Or would I need an actual full windows > install? The 520 is listed as supported on the Infrant Wiki but I found > the > D-link media server software to be horrible and the Twonky one much > better. > > The ReadyNAS NV+ with no drives is about $900 on Newegg as a "sale" price. > They are $1,050 on Netgear's site. Figure you need another $1200 for 4 1 > TB > drives. Pretty pricey for just a plain box, could build a full windows > home > server for that much. > > I have been using IP addresses to map all my shares for a while now as > well > and it works fine, except for random network-wide drop outs which I am > pretty sure are related to browser elections. > > - > Brian Weeden > Technical Consultant > Secure World Foundation > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Robert Martin Jr. > wrote: > > > Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge. > Now > > that Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually > > improving any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got > upgraded to > > an NV+ about a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost > twice > > as much now ??? > > > > It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard > > drives. I serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one > network > > DVD player (Avel Linkplayer2) > > > > I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use > IP > > addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I > > can't be much help there. > > > > I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard > NAS, > > the media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs > can > > use it fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only > supports > > a 500GB drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives > > running fine. > > > > lopaka > > > > Brian Weeden > wrote: I've posted here before about > > this problem and really haven't solved > > anything yet. For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue > > with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing. If you have a > > server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a > > list > > of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the > network. > > So if I tell my machine to connect to "media" the domain server says "oh > > that's actually 192.169.0.4" or whatever. If there isn't a domain > > controller (ie the network is just peers) one machine will maintain the > > browser list of all the mappings. If something happens, the computer > will > > force an election and the new machine will be the browser. > > > > Sounds great in theory but my experience it has been absolutely > horrible. > > Over the last few years I have had off and on problems, ranging from > > simple > > annoyances like not being able to see any machines listed under "My > > Network > > Places" to massive network slowdowns and inability to transfer even 20MB > > files due to browser elections dropping connections. I have tried many > > solutions with the current being to change the registry in all my > machines > > save one to never maintain the browser list and disabling the browser > > service as well. The one machine which is my media server has that same > > registry key set to "always" and
Re: [H] Vista class action
I agree with you. But you'd still be pretty pissed if you spent $2,000 on a new PC in November 2007 and find out that you have to buy a new one in two months later to run the full windows Vista when the salesmen assured you that it was "Vista Capable". It was all about driving Christmas sales of PCs even though Vista wasn't shipping until after the holidays. Like I said, when the judge said the lawsuit has to argue whether Vista Basic is still Vista, that's a win for Microsoft. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't agree. It's still the Vista code base. It has more "features" > and changes from XP. > > A BMW 3 series is still a BMW, despite it not having all of the features > of the 7 series. > > Vista Basic is designed for cheap/low-end PC's, so it's not like they'd > be able to run Aero. Is a cheap home PC going to back up to a network > share? It's likely to be the only PC in the house. I'm not sure about > DX10, but again, is it going to be a gaming PC with a crap video card? > Games? Oh no, no Chess Titans! And Vista Meeting? What's that - the > replacement for Netmeeting? Is the target demographic going to care > about it? > > If any version of Vista will boot and run on the thing, it's "Vista > Capable" in my book. > > Brian Weeden wrote: > > To repeat what was posted before, Basic has: > > > > * No Aero (the cool glassy GUI for Vista) > > * No backup to anything but local > > * No DirectX10 > > * Doesn't come with new Vista games and themes > > * Windows Vista Meeting not present > > > > In other words, Vista Basic has none of the "features" that make Vista a > new > > OS and is very limited in how you can use it. And if your PC was > labeled > > "Vista Capable" you can't run full Vista on it, only the Basic version. > > > > > > - > > Brian Weeden > > Technical Consultant > > Secure World Foundation >
Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?
Also, something to consider is that the readynas, although touted as a redundant data device is not without occasional catastrophic problems. I had a power outage that outlasted the UPS and data got corrupted beyond repair although none of the hard drives were flawed. My second 500GB drive had no partition data after the power outage and I was unable to recover it using various utilities on XPPE, Hirens Boot CD, etc. Luckily I had hard backups of about 80% of the movies and shows. I was 2 weeks from the end of my warranty and they upgraded me to the NV+ since the NV is no longer manufactured. It was assumed that the firmware was corrupted but when I received the NV+ and installed the drives, the same problem recurred and was not an issue with the nas, but a data loss on my drives. Neatgear will do data recovery in cases like this but is fee based and probably not cheap. lopaka Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Right now I'm using the TwonkyMediaServer to serve content from my HTPC to my D-link DSM-520 and it works beautifully, as long as the whole browser election thing isn't disrupting the entire network. Would I be able to install that on the ReadyNAS? Or would I need an actual full windows install? The 520 is listed as supported on the Infrant Wiki but I found the D-link media server software to be horrible and the Twonky one much better. The ReadyNAS NV+ with no drives is about $900 on Newegg as a "sale" price. They are $1,050 on Netgear's site. Figure you need another $1200 for 4 1 TB drives. Pretty pricey for just a plain box, could build a full windows home server for that much. I have been using IP addresses to map all my shares for a while now as well and it works fine, except for random network-wide drop outs which I am pretty sure are related to browser elections. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Robert Martin Jr. wrote: > Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge. Now > that Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually > improving any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got upgraded to > an NV+ about a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost twice > as much now ??? > > It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard > drives. I serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one network > DVD player (Avel Linkplayer2) > > I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use IP > addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I > can't be much help there. > > I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard NAS, > the media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs can > use it fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only supports > a 500GB drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives > running fine. > > lopaka > > Brian Weeden wrote: I've posted here before about > this problem and really haven't solved > anything yet. For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue > with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing. If you have a > server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a > list > of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the network. > So if I tell my machine to connect to "media" the domain server says "oh > that's actually 192.169.0.4" or whatever. If there isn't a domain > controller (ie the network is just peers) one machine will maintain the > browser list of all the mappings. If something happens, the computer will > force an election and the new machine will be the browser. > > Sounds great in theory but my experience it has been absolutely horrible. > Over the last few years I have had off and on problems, ranging from > simple > annoyances like not being able to see any machines listed under "My > Network > Places" to massive network slowdowns and inability to transfer even 20MB > files due to browser elections dropping connections. I have tried many > solutions with the current being to change the registry in all my machines > save one to never maintain the browser list and disabling the browser > service as well. The one machine which is my media server has that same > registry key set to "always" and has the service running. > > But recently I've found another issue - my wife's MacBook has started to > participate in this whole mess. A couple of days ago I was going through > the event viewer trying to figure out why the network had gone to hell and > saw an entry saying that the MacBook had denied access to an IP and forced > an election. Getting the MacBook to stop doing that is beyond my limited > OSX knowledge. > > So, now I'm looking for solutions. I need to rebuild my HTPC / media > server > and wanted to see if I could find a solution in that. I really want to > (try) and cut down on the
Re: [H] Vista class action
I don't agree. It's still the Vista code base. It has more "features" and changes from XP. A BMW 3 series is still a BMW, despite it not having all of the features of the 7 series. Vista Basic is designed for cheap/low-end PC's, so it's not like they'd be able to run Aero. Is a cheap home PC going to back up to a network share? It's likely to be the only PC in the house. I'm not sure about DX10, but again, is it going to be a gaming PC with a crap video card? Games? Oh no, no Chess Titans! And Vista Meeting? What's that - the replacement for Netmeeting? Is the target demographic going to care about it? If any version of Vista will boot and run on the thing, it's "Vista Capable" in my book. Brian Weeden wrote: To repeat what was posted before, Basic has: * No Aero (the cool glassy GUI for Vista) * No backup to anything but local * No DirectX10 * Doesn't come with new Vista games and themes * Windows Vista Meeting not present In other words, Vista Basic has none of the "features" that make Vista a new OS and is very limited in how you can use it. And if your PC was labeled "Vista Capable" you can't run full Vista on it, only the Basic version. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation
Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?
That's the drive I was looking to use. My current HTPC is an overclocked Athlon with 6 250GB SATA drives and another 80GB boot drive so it's sucking power like crazy. Which is one of the reasons I'm looking to replace it. I wonder how those power saving drives work in a RAID array and what sort of effect negative effect it has? - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Robert Martin Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You used to be able to install Twonky to the ReadyNAS line of products > although I never used it. It comes with a version of the linux wizd media > server preinstalled and this works well with my linkplayer2. In fact I was > using wizd before I bought the readynas and was surprised to see the same > screen the first time I pulled it up. I'd check the readynas forum first and > make sure it runs well for most users. > > I'm actually just using the readynas nv+ to archive my movies and shows > now, but purchased a 1TB WD HDD to put in my pentium-m server and will be > using that to serve media files 24/7. The readynas will only get powered on > occasionally to restore files & hold everything. I only have 1.3 TB of > space on my readynas nv+, so most of my favorite movies and shows will > easily fit a 1 TB HDD. The electricity cost of running 1 large drive in a > pentium-m server, will be much less than leaving a 4 drive NAS box running > 24/7. Plus it's the new WD drive that alters it's spin speed varying from > 5400-7200 as demand increases. It's supposed to use a lot less power. > > lopaka > > Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Right now I'm using the > TwonkyMediaServer to serve content from my HTPC to > my D-link DSM-520 and it works beautifully, as long as the whole browser > election thing isn't disrupting the entire network. Would I be able to > install that on the ReadyNAS? Or would I need an actual full windows > install? The 520 is listed as supported on the Infrant Wiki but I found > the > D-link media server software to be horrible and the Twonky one much > better. > > The ReadyNAS NV+ with no drives is about $900 on Newegg as a "sale" price. > They are $1,050 on Netgear's site. Figure you need another $1200 for 4 1 > TB > drives. Pretty pricey for just a plain box, could build a full windows > home > server for that much. > > I have been using IP addresses to map all my shares for a while now as > well > and it works fine, except for random network-wide drop outs which I am > pretty sure are related to browser elections. > > - > Brian Weeden > Technical Consultant > Secure World Foundation > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Robert Martin Jr. > wrote: > > > Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge. > Now > > that Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually > > improving any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got > upgraded to > > an NV+ about a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost > twice > > as much now ??? > > > > It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard > > drives. I serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one > network > > DVD player (Avel Linkplayer2) > > > > I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use > IP > > addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I > > can't be much help there. > > > > I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard > NAS, > > the media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs > can > > use it fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only > supports > > a 500GB drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives > > running fine. > > > > lopaka > > > > Brian Weeden > wrote: I've posted here before about > > this problem and really haven't solved > > anything yet. For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue > > with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing. If you have a > > server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a > > list > > of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the > network. > > So if I tell my machine to connect to "media" the domain server says "oh > > that's actually 192.169.0.4" or whatever. If there isn't a domain > > controller (ie the network is just peers) one machine will maintain the > > browser list of all the mappings. If something happens, the computer > will > > force an election and the new machine will be the browser. > > > > Sounds great in theory but my experience it has been absolutely > horrible. > > Over the last few years I have had off and on problems, ranging from > > simple > > annoyances like not being able to see any machines listed under "My > > Network > > Places" to massive network slowdowns and inability to transfer even 20MB > > files due to browser elections dropping connections. I have tried many > > solutions with th
Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?
You used to be able to install Twonky to the ReadyNAS line of products although I never used it. It comes with a version of the linux wizd media server preinstalled and this works well with my linkplayer2. In fact I was using wizd before I bought the readynas and was surprised to see the same screen the first time I pulled it up. I'd check the readynas forum first and make sure it runs well for most users. I'm actually just using the readynas nv+ to archive my movies and shows now, but purchased a 1TB WD HDD to put in my pentium-m server and will be using that to serve media files 24/7. The readynas will only get powered on occasionally to restore files & hold everything. I only have 1.3 TB of space on my readynas nv+, so most of my favorite movies and shows will easily fit a 1 TB HDD. The electricity cost of running 1 large drive in a pentium-m server, will be much less than leaving a 4 drive NAS box running 24/7. Plus it's the new WD drive that alters it's spin speed varying from 5400-7200 as demand increases. It's supposed to use a lot less power. lopaka Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Right now I'm using the TwonkyMediaServer to serve content from my HTPC to my D-link DSM-520 and it works beautifully, as long as the whole browser election thing isn't disrupting the entire network. Would I be able to install that on the ReadyNAS? Or would I need an actual full windows install? The 520 is listed as supported on the Infrant Wiki but I found the D-link media server software to be horrible and the Twonky one much better. The ReadyNAS NV+ with no drives is about $900 on Newegg as a "sale" price. They are $1,050 on Netgear's site. Figure you need another $1200 for 4 1 TB drives. Pretty pricey for just a plain box, could build a full windows home server for that much. I have been using IP addresses to map all my shares for a while now as well and it works fine, except for random network-wide drop outs which I am pretty sure are related to browser elections. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Robert Martin Jr. wrote: > Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge. Now > that Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually > improving any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got upgraded to > an NV+ about a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost twice > as much now ??? > > It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard > drives. I serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one network > DVD player (Avel Linkplayer2) > > I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use IP > addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I > can't be much help there. > > I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard NAS, > the media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs can > use it fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only supports > a 500GB drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives > running fine. > > lopaka > > Brian Weeden wrote: I've posted here before about > this problem and really haven't solved > anything yet. For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue > with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing. If you have a > server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a > list > of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the network. > So if I tell my machine to connect to "media" the domain server says "oh > that's actually 192.169.0.4" or whatever. If there isn't a domain > controller (ie the network is just peers) one machine will maintain the > browser list of all the mappings. If something happens, the computer will > force an election and the new machine will be the browser. > > Sounds great in theory but my experience it has been absolutely horrible. > Over the last few years I have had off and on problems, ranging from > simple > annoyances like not being able to see any machines listed under "My > Network > Places" to massive network slowdowns and inability to transfer even 20MB > files due to browser elections dropping connections. I have tried many > solutions with the current being to change the registry in all my machines > save one to never maintain the browser list and disabling the browser > service as well. The one machine which is my media server has that same > registry key set to "always" and has the service running. > > But recently I've found another issue - my wife's MacBook has started to > participate in this whole mess. A couple of days ago I was going through > the event viewer trying to figure out why the network had gone to hell and > saw an entry saying that the MacBook had denied access to an IP and forced > an election. Getting the MacBook to stop doing that is beyond my limited > OSX knowledg
Re: [H] Vista class action
Unconfirmed - seems that the Intarweb has people claiming it both ways. It is confirmed that Basic does not support Aero. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Joe User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Brian, > > Monday, February 25, 2008, 3:40:06 PM, you wrote: > > > To repeat what was posted before, Basic has: > > > * No Aero (the cool glassy GUI for Vista) > > * No backup to anything but local > > * No DirectX10 > > * Doesn't come with new Vista games and themes > > * Windows Vista Meeting not present > > > In other words, Vista Basic has none of the "features" that make Vista a > new > > OS and is very limited in how you can use it. And if your PC was > labeled > > "Vista Capable" you can't run full Vista on it, only the Basic version. > > > Has anyone confirmed this * No DirectX10 ??? > > > -- > Regards, > joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... > >
Re: [H] Vista class action
Hello Brian, Monday, February 25, 2008, 3:40:06 PM, you wrote: > To repeat what was posted before, Basic has: > * No Aero (the cool glassy GUI for Vista) > * No backup to anything but local > * No DirectX10 > * Doesn't come with new Vista games and themes > * Windows Vista Meeting not present > In other words, Vista Basic has none of the "features" that make Vista a new > OS and is very limited in how you can use it. And if your PC was labeled > "Vista Capable" you can't run full Vista on it, only the Basic version. Has anyone confirmed this * No DirectX10 ??? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Vista class action
To repeat what was posted before, Basic has: * No Aero (the cool glassy GUI for Vista) * No backup to anything but local * No DirectX10 * Doesn't come with new Vista games and themes * Windows Vista Meeting not present In other words, Vista Basic has none of the "features" that make Vista a new OS and is very limited in how you can use it. And if your PC was labeled "Vista Capable" you can't run full Vista on it, only the Basic version. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How is Vista Basic *not* Vista? > > Brian Weeden wrote: > > In this case there also happens to be an internal memo from a Microsoft > VP > > who bought a "Vista Capable" PC instead of a "Premium Ready" one and got > > burned. His memo asks the (rhetorical) question, "if we don't > understand > > our own marketing, what does that say about what we are doing to our > > customers?" > > > > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080211-vista-capable-scheme-was-panned-at-microsoft.html > > > > As Arstechnica pointed out, the lawsuit was originally targeted at > > Microsoft's efforts to prop up XP sales right up until the release date > of > > Vista. In other words, to convince people to buy PCs with XP during the > > holiday season instead of waiting another couple of months for Vista > like > > many wanted to (and everyone who wanted Vista should have). > > > > So the judge limiting the lawsuit as explained in the OP article > basically > > removes this and means that instead of arguing the false advertising and > > market manipulation issue, they are forced to only focus on the "is > Vista > > Basic really Vista and worth XX?". That is a huge win for Microsoft and > > instead of having an actual, meaningful lawsuit this will be yet another > > long, drawn out legal battle with Microsoft that means nothing for the > > consumer that got screwed. >
Re: [H] Vista class action
Hello j, Monday, February 25, 2008, 3:04:01 PM, you wrote: > Sounds like people are pissed they > were duped into buying > low-end PC's that can only the most basic version of > Vista (means nothing given > what's not in VHB) which of course begs the question > were those pc's also so low > end they could barely run XP? I see what you are saying but I am willing to bet even the bare minimum Vista PC could easily run XP and run it better. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?
Right now I'm using the TwonkyMediaServer to serve content from my HTPC to my D-link DSM-520 and it works beautifully, as long as the whole browser election thing isn't disrupting the entire network. Would I be able to install that on the ReadyNAS? Or would I need an actual full windows install? The 520 is listed as supported on the Infrant Wiki but I found the D-link media server software to be horrible and the Twonky one much better. The ReadyNAS NV+ with no drives is about $900 on Newegg as a "sale" price. They are $1,050 on Netgear's site. Figure you need another $1200 for 4 1 TB drives. Pretty pricey for just a plain box, could build a full windows home server for that much. I have been using IP addresses to map all my shares for a while now as well and it works fine, except for random network-wide drop outs which I am pretty sure are related to browser elections. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Robert Martin Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge. Now > that Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually > improving any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got upgraded to > an NV+ about a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost twice > as much now ??? > > It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard > drives. I serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one network > DVD player (Avel Linkplayer2) > > I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use IP > addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I > can't be much help there. > > I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard NAS, > the media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs can > use it fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only supports > a 500GB drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives > running fine. > > lopaka > > Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've posted here before about > this problem and really haven't solved > anything yet. For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue > with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing. If you have a > server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a > list > of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the network. > So if I tell my machine to connect to "media" the domain server says "oh > that's actually 192.169.0.4" or whatever. If there isn't a domain > controller (ie the network is just peers) one machine will maintain the > browser list of all the mappings. If something happens, the computer will > force an election and the new machine will be the browser. > > Sounds great in theory but my experience it has been absolutely horrible. > Over the last few years I have had off and on problems, ranging from > simple > annoyances like not being able to see any machines listed under "My > Network > Places" to massive network slowdowns and inability to transfer even 20MB > files due to browser elections dropping connections. I have tried many > solutions with the current being to change the registry in all my machines > save one to never maintain the browser list and disabling the browser > service as well. The one machine which is my media server has that same > registry key set to "always" and has the service running. > > But recently I've found another issue - my wife's MacBook has started to > participate in this whole mess. A couple of days ago I was going through > the event viewer trying to figure out why the network had gone to hell and > saw an entry saying that the MacBook had denied access to an IP and forced > an election. Getting the MacBook to stop doing that is beyond my limited > OSX knowledge. > > So, now I'm looking for solutions. I need to rebuild my HTPC / media > server > and wanted to see if I could find a solution in that. I really want to > (try) and cut down on the power used so I was thinking of replacing the > whole thing with a NAS box and a small set top like an Apple TV or D-Link > box. I was doing some research and noticed that all these NAS solutions > support different filesharing protocols, like CIFS, SMB, AFP, NFS, etc. > What's the different between these and the normal protocols that are used > when you share a drive within Windows? Do they result in more efficient > use > of the network bandwidth? > > Why are the ReadyNAS boxes so darn expensive (almost $1000 on Newegg for > diskless NV+)? What are other good options? I need something that will > support at least 3 TB of storage (ie 4x 1TB SATA drives) in RAID 5 and > preferably something can I can daisy chain another to to hit my goal of 6 > TB > (ie 4x8 1TB SATA in RAID 5). > > Aside from setting up a domain controller, can anyone think of other ways > to > help with my problem of the m
Re: [H] Vista class action
How is Vista Basic *not* Vista? Brian Weeden wrote: In this case there also happens to be an internal memo from a Microsoft VP who bought a "Vista Capable" PC instead of a "Premium Ready" one and got burned. His memo asks the (rhetorical) question, "if we don't understand our own marketing, what does that say about what we are doing to our customers?" http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080211-vista-capable-scheme-was-panned-at-microsoft.html As Arstechnica pointed out, the lawsuit was originally targeted at Microsoft's efforts to prop up XP sales right up until the release date of Vista. In other words, to convince people to buy PCs with XP during the holiday season instead of waiting another couple of months for Vista like many wanted to (and everyone who wanted Vista should have). So the judge limiting the lawsuit as explained in the OP article basically removes this and means that instead of arguing the false advertising and market manipulation issue, they are forced to only focus on the "is Vista Basic really Vista and worth XX?". That is a huge win for Microsoft and instead of having an actual, meaningful lawsuit this will be yet another long, drawn out legal battle with Microsoft that means nothing for the consumer that got screwed.
Re: [H] Vista class action
I don't know if it's "slick salesmen" or not. It's a matter of what "Vista Capable" means. If it means that the PC will run Vista, then it's not deceptive. If they want to define it as "being able to run Aero as well as a bunch of other crap" then maybe. People shouldn't buy a $300 PC and get pissed that it doesn't have the same features as a $1000+ PC. j maccraw wrote: Idiot consumers are forever tying their PC purchases to price & the promises of slick salesman. Sounds like people are pissed they were duped into buying low-end PC's that can only the most basic version of Vista (means nothing given what's not in VHB) which of course begs the question were those pc's also so low end they could barely run XP? On the same token these idiots don't even know why they wanted Vista in the 1st place especially since they likely bought low-end systems consisting of Celeron & integrated RAM stealing video. Ben Ruset wrote: This is absolutely the most retarded thing I've ever read: "These common issues ... are whether Vista Home Basic, in truth, can fairly be called 'Vista' and whether Microsoft's 'Windows Vista Capable' marketing campaign inflated demand market-wide for 'Windows Vista Capable' PCs," she wrote. Why the hell would you not call Vista Home Basic "Vista?" And since when has there been market demand for Vista at all? If anything, Vista has put XP in more demand. I hate lawyers. Chris Reeves wrote: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/352442_vista23.html Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?
Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge. Now that Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually improving any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got upgraded to an NV+ about a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost twice as much now ??? It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard drives. I serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one network DVD player (Avel Linkplayer2) I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use IP addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I can't be much help there. I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard NAS, the media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs can use it fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only supports a 500GB drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives running fine. lopaka Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've posted here before about this problem and really haven't solved anything yet. For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing. If you have a server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a list of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the network. So if I tell my machine to connect to "media" the domain server says "oh that's actually 192.169.0.4" or whatever. If there isn't a domain controller (ie the network is just peers) one machine will maintain the browser list of all the mappings. If something happens, the computer will force an election and the new machine will be the browser. Sounds great in theory but my experience it has been absolutely horrible. Over the last few years I have had off and on problems, ranging from simple annoyances like not being able to see any machines listed under "My Network Places" to massive network slowdowns and inability to transfer even 20MB files due to browser elections dropping connections. I have tried many solutions with the current being to change the registry in all my machines save one to never maintain the browser list and disabling the browser service as well. The one machine which is my media server has that same registry key set to "always" and has the service running. But recently I've found another issue - my wife's MacBook has started to participate in this whole mess. A couple of days ago I was going through the event viewer trying to figure out why the network had gone to hell and saw an entry saying that the MacBook had denied access to an IP and forced an election. Getting the MacBook to stop doing that is beyond my limited OSX knowledge. So, now I'm looking for solutions. I need to rebuild my HTPC / media server and wanted to see if I could find a solution in that. I really want to (try) and cut down on the power used so I was thinking of replacing the whole thing with a NAS box and a small set top like an Apple TV or D-Link box. I was doing some research and noticed that all these NAS solutions support different filesharing protocols, like CIFS, SMB, AFP, NFS, etc. What's the different between these and the normal protocols that are used when you share a drive within Windows? Do they result in more efficient use of the network bandwidth? Why are the ReadyNAS boxes so darn expensive (almost $1000 on Newegg for diskless NV+)? What are other good options? I need something that will support at least 3 TB of storage (ie 4x 1TB SATA drives) in RAID 5 and preferably something can I can daisy chain another to to hit my goal of 6 TB (ie 4x8 1TB SATA in RAID 5). Aside from setting up a domain controller, can anyone think of other ways to help with my problem of the master browser issue and overall poor network performance? Would running a Windows Home Server box help at all? Or would a *nix server be better? I have some experience with *nix (specifically Ubuntu)? - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation
Re: [H] Vista class action
In this case there also happens to be an internal memo from a Microsoft VP who bought a "Vista Capable" PC instead of a "Premium Ready" one and got burned. His memo asks the (rhetorical) question, "if we don't understand our own marketing, what does that say about what we are doing to our customers?" http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080211-vista-capable-scheme-was-panned-at-microsoft.html As Arstechnica pointed out, the lawsuit was originally targeted at Microsoft's efforts to prop up XP sales right up until the release date of Vista. In other words, to convince people to buy PCs with XP during the holiday season instead of waiting another couple of months for Vista like many wanted to (and everyone who wanted Vista should have). So the judge limiting the lawsuit as explained in the OP article basically removes this and means that instead of arguing the false advertising and market manipulation issue, they are forced to only focus on the "is Vista Basic really Vista and worth XX?". That is a huge win for Microsoft and instead of having an actual, meaningful lawsuit this will be yet another long, drawn out legal battle with Microsoft that means nothing for the consumer that got screwed. - Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:04 PM, j maccraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Idiot consumers are forever tying their PC purchases > to price & the promises of > slick salesman. Sounds like people are pissed they > were duped into buying > low-end PC's that can only the most basic version of > Vista (means nothing given > what's not in VHB) which of course begs the question > were those pc's also so low > end they could barely run XP? > > On the same token these idiots don't even know why > they wanted Vista in the 1st > place especially since they likely bought low-end > systems consisting of Celeron > & integrated RAM stealing video. > > Ben Ruset wrote: > > This is absolutely the most retarded thing I've ever > read: > > > > "These common issues ... are whether Vista Home > Basic, in truth, can > > fairly be called 'Vista' and whether Microsoft's > 'Windows Vista Capable' > > marketing campaign inflated demand market-wide for > 'Windows Vista > > Capable' PCs," she wrote. > > > > Why the hell would you not call Vista Home Basic > "Vista?" And since when > > has there been market demand for Vista at all? If > anything, Vista has > > put XP in more demand. > > > > I hate lawyers. > > > > Chris Reeves wrote: > >> > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/352442_vista23.html > >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > >> > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > >
Re: [H] Vista class action
Idiot consumers are forever tying their PC purchases to price & the promises of slick salesman. Sounds like people are pissed they were duped into buying low-end PC's that can only the most basic version of Vista (means nothing given what's not in VHB) which of course begs the question were those pc's also so low end they could barely run XP? On the same token these idiots don't even know why they wanted Vista in the 1st place especially since they likely bought low-end systems consisting of Celeron & integrated RAM stealing video. Ben Ruset wrote: > This is absolutely the most retarded thing I've ever read: > > "These common issues ... are whether Vista Home Basic, in truth, can > fairly be called 'Vista' and whether Microsoft's 'Windows Vista Capable' > marketing campaign inflated demand market-wide for 'Windows Vista > Capable' PCs," she wrote. > > Why the hell would you not call Vista Home Basic "Vista?" And since when > has there been market demand for Vista at all? If anything, Vista has > put XP in more demand. > > I hate lawyers. > > Chris Reeves wrote: >> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/352442_vista23.html >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
