Re: [H] Water-cooling
No offense, but I would call going from an x38 to a 780i a downgrade, not an upgrade, unless you must have SLI - and even then I'm not sure of the value/performance ratio of two 9600GTs vs a single 9800GTX. Water cooling should not be required in a non-overclocked system these days, even an SLI rig. You have much deeper problems than heat if you are experiencing crashes like that. I wouldn't suspect power either. Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:37:33 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Water-cooling Hi, Since swapping out my Asus Maximus Formula (X38) for an Asus Striker II Formula (780i) my system temperature has jumped a whopping 10 degrees and crashes frequently. I know the Maximus is a far superior board and chipset but I wanted to play with SLI so I had to go nForce even just temporarily until I give up with the whole SLI thing :-( So I was thinking if I really want this to work I should go for a liquid cooling solution. I am currently looking at the Zalman Reserator XT and will certainly use it to cool both my CPU and Northbridge. I was wondering could I also plug the GFX card inline or would it reduce the effectiveness too much (2 x G9600 GT SSC)? Some WWW sites say it would be OK but I trust this list more than random WWW sites. If anyone else has gone this way yet do you have an practical advice? Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Locale=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL
Re: [H] Water-cooling
I agree 100% and I was trying to get that across in my note. The X38 is head and shoulders better than the 780i. It's just that I had a burning desire to play with SLI. I think the crashes are certainly heat related as they will only happen whilst I have been playing games for a while. I am considering swapping out the 9600GT for a 9800GT2 but the NB temp is still very concerning, the StrikerII motherboard is the big issue here. It's a piece of crap. So with all that said. I would like to get the 780 running stable just because I'm not going to let it get the better of me. (I still have the X38 so will probably switch it back eventually) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:07 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling No offense, but I would call going from an x38 to a 780i a downgrade, not an upgrade, unless you must have SLI - and even then I'm not sure of the value/performance ratio of two 9600GTs vs a single 9800GTX. Water cooling should not be required in a non-overclocked system these days, even an SLI rig. You have much deeper problems than heat if you are experiencing crashes like that. I wouldn't suspect power either. Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:37:33 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Water-cooling Hi, Since swapping out my Asus Maximus Formula (X38) for an Asus Striker II Formula (780i) my system temperature has jumped a whopping 10 degrees and crashes frequently. I know the Maximus is a far superior board and chipset but I wanted to play with SLI so I had to go nForce even just temporarily until I give up with the whole SLI thing :-( So I was thinking if I really want this to work I should go for a liquid cooling solution. I am currently looking at the Zalman Reserator XT and will certainly use it to cool both my CPU and Northbridge. I was wondering could I also plug the GFX card inline or would it reduce the effectiveness too much (2 x G9600 GT SSC)? Some WWW sites say it would be OK but I trust this list more than random WWW sites. If anyone else has gone this way yet do you have an practical advice? Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Local e=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] Water-cooling
Look into your case and make sure your airflow is working well. This means get the power supply cables and mother board cables out of the middle of the case and try to hide them. Also, put some quality fans in the case, may make it loud once the fans turn on full, but at least it will keep the components cool. Another thing you may want to look at is the power supply. Make sure it is moving air thru it and keeping cool. Why? The hotter the power supply the less power the power supply will give to your computer components. Good example of computer wiring: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImagefriendID=1157 08980albumID=1538791imageID=18943098 http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImagefriendID=1157 08980albumID=1538791imageID=18943150 My current computer is not photographed. Those above are not my current computer. On the next computer rebuild I'll take photos and post them. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:20 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling I agree 100% and I was trying to get that across in my note. The X38 is head and shoulders better than the 780i. It's just that I had a burning desire to play with SLI. I think the crashes are certainly heat related as they will only happen whilst I have been playing games for a while. I am considering swapping out the 9600GT for a 9800GT2 but the NB temp is still very concerning, the StrikerII motherboard is the big issue here. It's a piece of crap. So with all that said. I would like to get the 780 running stable just because I'm not going to let it get the better of me. (I still have the X38 so will probably switch it back eventually) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:07 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling No offense, but I would call going from an x38 to a 780i a downgrade, not an upgrade, unless you must have SLI - and even then I'm not sure of the value/performance ratio of two 9600GTs vs a single 9800GTX. Water cooling should not be required in a non-overclocked system these days, even an SLI rig. You have much deeper problems than heat if you are experiencing crashes like that. I wouldn't suspect power either. Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:37:33 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Water-cooling Hi, Since swapping out my Asus Maximus Formula (X38) for an Asus Striker II Formula (780i) my system temperature has jumped a whopping 10 degrees and crashes frequently. I know the Maximus is a far superior board and chipset but I wanted to play with SLI so I had to go nForce even just temporarily until I give up with the whole SLI thing :-( So I was thinking if I really want this to work I should go for a liquid cooling solution. I am currently looking at the Zalman Reserator XT and will certainly use it to cool both my CPU and Northbridge. I was wondering could I also plug the GFX card inline or would it reduce the effectiveness too much (2 x G9600 GT SSC)? Some WWW sites say it would be OK but I trust this list more than random WWW sites. If anyone else has gone this way yet do you have an practical advice? Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Local e=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and
Re: [H] Water-cooling
I would run a utility to record GPU temps while gaming to gauge what kind of heat you are outputing before crashing. The 9600GT's run relatively cool and again I seriously doubt heat is causing the issue. What NV driver are you using? Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:19:41 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling I agree 100% and I was trying to get that across in my note. The X38 is head and shoulders better than the 780i. It's just that I had a burning desire to play with SLI. I think the crashes are certainly heat related as they will only happen whilst I have been playing games for a while. I am considering swapping out the 9600GT for a 9800GT2 but the NB temp is still very concerning, the StrikerII motherboard is the big issue here. It's a piece of crap. So with all that said. I would like to get the 780 running stable just because I'm not going to let it get the better of me. (I still have the X38 so will probably switch it back eventually) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:07 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling No offense, but I would call going from an x38 to a 780i a downgrade, not an upgrade, unless you must have SLI - and even then I'm not sure of the value/performance ratio of two 9600GTs vs a single 9800GTX. Water cooling should not be required in a non-overclocked system these days, even an SLI rig. You have much deeper problems than heat if you are experiencing crashes like that. I wouldn't suspect power either. Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:37:33 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Water-cooling Hi, Since swapping out my Asus Maximus Formula (X38) for an Asus Striker II Formula (780i) my system temperature has jumped a whopping 10 degrees and crashes frequently. I know the Maximus is a far superior board and chipset but I wanted to play with SLI so I had to go nForce even just temporarily until I give up with the whole SLI thing :-( So I was thinking if I really want this to work I should go for a liquid cooling solution. I am currently looking at the Zalman Reserator XT and will certainly use it to cool both my CPU and Northbridge. I was wondering could I also plug the GFX card inline or would it reduce the effectiveness too much (2 x G9600 GT SSC)? Some WWW sites say it would be OK but I trust this list more than random WWW sites. If anyone else has gone this way yet do you have an practical advice? Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Local e=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ Back to work after baby–how do you know when you’re ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=5797498ocid=T067MSN40A0701A
Re: [H] Water-cooling
What's your case? Most (all?) of the 680/780i designs I've seen made pretty extensive use of heatpipe coolers. If your case uses an inverted mount, like a number of Lian Li cases do, those heat pipes don't work worth a damn. They supposedly have a wick inside to allow for inverted operation, but on my 680i (before I replaced it with a wonderful P35), I had stability problems that were heat related until I went water (and some after, but that's 680i for you). I strongly believe it was due to heat caused by ineffective heatpipes when in my inverted-design Lian Li case. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling I agree 100% and I was trying to get that across in my note. The X38 is head and shoulders better than the 780i. It's just that I had a burning desire to play with SLI. I think the crashes are certainly heat related as they will only happen whilst I have been playing games for a while. I am considering swapping out the 9600GT for a 9800GT2 but the NB temp is still very concerning, the StrikerII motherboard is the big issue here. It's a piece of crap. So with all that said. I would like to get the 780 running stable just because I'm not going to let it get the better of me. (I still have the X38 so will probably switch it back eventually) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:07 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling No offense, but I would call going from an x38 to a 780i a downgrade, not an upgrade, unless you must have SLI - and even then I'm not sure of the value/performance ratio of two 9600GTs vs a single 9800GTX. Water cooling should not be required in a non-overclocked system these days, even an SLI rig. You have much deeper problems than heat if you are experiencing crashes like that. I wouldn't suspect power either. Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:37:33 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Water-cooling Hi, Since swapping out my Asus Maximus Formula (X38) for an Asus Striker II Formula (780i) my system temperature has jumped a whopping 10 degrees and crashes frequently. I know the Maximus is a far superior board and chipset but I wanted to play with SLI so I had to go nForce even just temporarily until I give up with the whole SLI thing :-( So I was thinking if I really want this to work I should go for a liquid cooling solution. I am currently looking at the Zalman Reserator XT and will certainly use it to cool both my CPU and Northbridge. I was wondering could I also plug the GFX card inline or would it reduce the effectiveness too much (2 x G9600 GT SSC)? Some WWW sites say it would be OK but I trust this list more than random WWW sites. If anyone else has gone this way yet do you have an practical advice? Thanks, Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer - Core Services Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SITA: HDQOK1G Galileo Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. _ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Loca l e=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
[H] XP SP RTM?
I heard service pack 3 was released to manufactureTrue? Anyone tried it yet? Gary
Re: [H] XP SP RTM?
It's already out in the wild, just not Microsoft. Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:48:38 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] XP SP RTM? I heard service pack 3 was released to manufactureTrue? Anyone tried it yet? Gary _ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008
Re: [H] XP SP RTM?
Tried it. No big changes. Those running hacked versions get boned (of course) as it picks up almost all wpa hacks I've seen. Breaks older versions of Autocad, so beware of that. Nothing big changes as near as I can tell. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:48:38 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] XP SP RTM? I heard service pack 3 was released to manufactureTrue? Anyone tried it yet? Gary
Re: [H] XP SP RTM?
Haven't tried it yet, but I downloaded it off MS TechNet. It was posted to TechNet and MSDN yesterday in the Top Downloads section (not the normal download center). I hate that they do that, but they use Akamai to distribute new popular items...which seems to be incompatible with their traditional download center. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:49 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] XP SP RTM? I heard service pack 3 was released to manufactureTrue? Anyone tried it yet? Gary
