Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

Sent from my mobile device.

 On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
 invented it. Good example is iCloud.
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 20, 2013, at 4:10 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Why is it a problem to give them credit for making it all work?
 
 Sent from my mobile device.
 
 On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So, I updated my phone to iOS 7 and it looks pretty decent so far.
 
 The new layout is a bit jarring but I'm sure I will get used to it.
 
 It's funny how Apple has taken the best bits from different operating
 systems but somehow have managed to improve them and give them a name.
 And that's what I don't like about Apple it makes people think that
 Apple has invented this feature while that is not necessarily the
 case.
 
 Either way it really doesn't matter in the end I think that what Apple
 is doing pushes the mobile industry forward regardless of how they may
 copy other people.
 
 Indian the real winner is the consumer and that's what matters the most.
 
 Sent from my iPhone


Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread tmservo
Well, I'd wildly disagree on NFC.   I use NFC frequently and frankly, 
it's one of the cooler phone technologies I've worked with.  Using NFC 
tags I: set my thermostats on the way out the door with a swipe; 
auto-update calendar schedules, evernotes will auto-tag notes to NFC 
tags which for those of us with 'eh' memory is damn slick.



On 2013-09-20 05:14, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

The unwashed masses will always be ignorant.  Having a beef with them
will be counter productive.

Monikers help sell things.  A retina screen is no big deal to us, but
to the unwashed masses it makes sure they get the high-resolution
screen without having to remember all of the details.  And I do give
apple the credit for realizing that WE needed this in everything and
starting to bring it out. But they certainly didn't invent
high-resolution screens, but they are the main reason they are
ubiquitous on tablets.  If the touch-ID thing pans out, they won't
(and shouldn't) get credit for a fingerprint reader but making is a
thing we can use and depend on, they should get credit for, if it
works, which remains to be seen.  Still to this day no one has made
NFC into a useful product.  So who invented that is not really so
important.

On 9/20/2013 5:02 AM, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:

My beef in general is with people who don't understand the technology
and believe the advertising that companies do.

And let's not forget that Apple is the master of masking the
underlying technology with a moniker that they call their own and
making people believe that they were the ones who either invented it
or are the first one to do it.

But as I mentioned it really doesn't make a big difference in the end
as long as the steady march of progress is being made but what really
bothers me is the uneducated people out there.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin 
amar...@charter.net wrote:


So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

Sent from my mobile device.

On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com 
wrote:


What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
invented it. Good example is iCloud.



Sent from my iPhone


Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread tmservo

IOS7 good: function seems to be nice, control center seems to be nice.
Bad: my battery life on my Ipad4 has went to total shit.   I'll have to 
figure that out, that's going to kill me.  Dislike the folder popout; 
now instead of filling screen it's a smaller box that ou have to scroll 
to get all the items of.  Dislike that idea.   Icons kind of 
goofy/rainbow bright like.


Like the function, some things are quite nice.. but for right now the 
battery life thing is making all the rest hard to judge.



On 2013-09-20 04:20, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

Sent from my mobile device.

On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com 
wrote:


What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
invented it. Good example is iCloud.




Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Brian Weeden
Increased battery drain may be because they added a feature that allows
apps to update in the background (ie, the multitasking that many said they
wanted).. See this for how to disable it:

http://www.tuaw.com/2013/09/18/how-to-stop-ios-7-from-destroying-your-iphones-battery-life/





-
Brian



On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 2:22 AM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:

 IOS7 good: function seems to be nice, control center seems to be nice.
 Bad: my battery life on my Ipad4 has went to total shit.   I'll have to
 figure that out, that's going to kill me.  Dislike the folder popout; now
 instead of filling screen it's a smaller box that ou have to scroll to get
 all the items of.  Dislike that idea.   Icons kind of goofy/rainbow bright
 like.

 Like the function, some things are quite nice.. but for right now the
 battery life thing is making all the rest hard to judge.



 On 2013-09-20 04:20, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

 So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

 Sent from my mobile device.

  On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com wrote:

 What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
 invented it. Good example is iCloud.





Re: [H] 3TB

2013-09-20 Thread Christopher Fisk
WD Red have worked fine for me.  I got a set of 4 and put into a raid.  Had
one keep dropping out of the RAID and failing to rebuild but it turned out
to be a bad SATA cable rather than the drive.


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:05 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:

 Heck, your research is way behind. SSD's in NAS is a fact to my meager
 reads.
 True, any of the users are Linux-geeks that have 'dicked' with their NAS's
 OS (f/w), but
 still. I read it to mean that this is active ATM, if only on a limited
 scale. Way above my pay
 grade :) LOL!
 Duncan


 On 09/19/2013 17:02, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:

 That's sexy. Must read more.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:01 AM, Robert Martin Jr. lopaka_...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  What sold me most on the 5N was the ability to add a mSSD in the
 accelerator bay, to cache data and speed transfers. I have a Crucial m4
 128GB mSATA Internal Solid State Drive CT128M4SSD3 in mine. Once I added
 that, the data transfers are crazy fast. Plus the drobo is 5 bays not 4
 like the readynas NV+.

 lopaka


 __**__
 From: DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com
 To: hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.**comhardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [H] 3TB


 Oh! Holy cow! I guess I am still learning how to get my NAS to link up
 on my LAN.
 I've never tested, but do not think I see this performance. But then,
 since completing my
 10base1000 LAN, I have never really tested. Actually, I know not how. I
 just move/copy stuff
 from my desktop to my NAS, and it goes pretty dang quick! The NAS-to-NAS
 backups at Zero-dark-30
 take place at theNAS' own chosen/agreed upon speed. This I never quibble
 about. Clearly I might not be
 on top of this, but it all works so well for me I just don't worry about
 it at all. I own/run these appliances that
 are so much smarter than me, but still speak to me in their 'plain
 speak' that I treat them as 'family.' Except for
 Intel nic cards, my NAS appliances are the most reliable network
 devicesI have ever owned.
 I know that they use a Debian-based Linux OS so I do not dig into their
 guts. No need to.
 They just plain workand make digital life a bit better.
 NAS-ON everyone!
 Duncan

 On 09/19/2013 16:07, Robert Martin Jr. wrote:

 Drobo5N is a completely different beast compared to earlier units. I
 can transfer 20GB in under a couple minutes over network. ReadyNAS NV+ v1
 is about 4-5x that and the v2 6-7x that

 lopaka


 __**__
 From: Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com
 To: hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.**comhardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
 hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.**com hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [H] 3TB


 The deciding factor for me was the hybrid raid. I mix and match
 different sizes and it works just fine.

 Before that I had a drobo. Great features but super slow performance.
 Gave that to my brother in law as a gift and he uses that till today.

 I don't think I could deal with traditional raid. Having all same size
 drives would be a bear to upgrade. It's funny. Almost every bay in my
 synology has a different brand, size and rotation speed. Everything
 just works and works well.

 If the synology ever dies I'm never going to switch to another brand.
 Love the web os of synology and they keep on improving the interface
 and adding features. I barely use most of them. I just have an
 antivirus running and do torrents from the synology. I've set it up
 with ddns so I can add torrents from my phone wherever I am and once I
 come home it's sitting there for me ready to consume.

 What more could I want. I also haven't used port teaming to double the
 bandwidth to 2Gbps.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2013, at 6:48 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:

  Hi Zool,
 Yes, several in the ReadyNAS community seem to be moving to Synology,
 QNAP, and,
 others. Fine. Different strokes for different folks! Nothing more..
 I've studied, thought, played with numbers, and decided to stay with my
 3 ReadyNAS boxes until something serious happens.
 For certain, Synology will be where I move to!  All of my ReadyNAS run
 24/7 and have
 never dropped a beat in 3 years.  I still wait for my 1st HD failure!
 And, any data loss
 I have suffered has been totally 'pilot error' (mine!). I'm good. My
 NAS boxes are the PFM
 part of my home LAN.
 Best,
 Duncan

 On 09/19/2013 08:28, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:

 Ready nas are great. It was between that and the synology for me and
 I went
 with the latter. 3 years on and its still hasn't skipped a beat.
 On Sep 19, 2013 3:03 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:

  Lopaka,
 Never knew you had a ReadyNAS! Silly me.
 How do you like your NV+ v2?
 I started with a DUO-v1 in 2009. I can blame John Steinbruner for
 that. I
 have added an Ultra 2 and an Ultra 2+.
 Just now I stay local. In the future I may off-site one of my NAS,
 or, may
 try a 

Re: [H] Firefox problem

2013-09-20 Thread Christopher Fisk
I had this problem.  It's the Download Youtube Video's addon for me.   I
need to find a better addon for doing that.  To get around the issue, I use
2 firefox profiles, one in normal use without the addon, one for when I
want to yank a video from youtube (Then I clean up the junk after).


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:

 Well, your 'short of' may fix it. How deep do you cull your cookies and/of
 history?
 Duncan


 On 09/19/2013 16:47, Winterlight wrote:

 My primary browser is Opera but I also am using the latest updated
 version of Firefox. A month ago I was looking for a TV show I missed and
 ran a Google search. A torrent came up, and I clicked on it. The torrent
 never downloaded but ever since, every time I load Firefox the torrent at 0
 bytes appears on my desktop which, for Firefox, is the download location.
 It doesn't appear in download history, or anywhere that I can find but
 there it is. How do I stop this behavior short of uninstalling Firefox.
 Thanks






Re: [H] Firefox problem

2013-09-20 Thread Winterlight
Thanks Chris, I do have that extension, and I rarely use it. I have 
disabled it which lets me turn it on again if I need to. If that 
doesn't work I will remove it.

m

At 07:50 AM 9/20/2013, you wrote:

I had this problem.  It's the Download Youtube Video's addon for me.   I
need to find a better addon for doing that.  To get around the issue, I use
2 firefox profiles, one in normal use without the addon, one for when I
want to yank a video from youtube (Then I clean up the junk after).




 On 09/19/2013 16:47, Winterlight wrote:

 My primary browser is Opera but I also am using the latest updated
 version of Firefox. A month ago I was looking for a TV show I missed and
 ran a Google search. A torrent came up, and I clicked on it. The torrent
 never downloaded but ever since, every time I load Firefox the 
torrent at 0

 bytes appears on my desktop which, for Firefox, is the download location.
 It doesn't appear in download history, or anywhere that I can find but
 there it is. How do I stop this behavior short of uninstalling Firefox.
 Thanks








Re: [H] 3TB

2013-09-20 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Why does anyone need movies on a raid?  That seems like overkill to me.  
If one of my drives crashes, it won't be the end of the world as I have 
all of the backups on optical.  I just keep track of what is where so I 
can regen one as needed. But so far, after 24/7 use of nearly two years, 
no problems. Those drives are sleeping 99% of the time. :)


On 9/20/2013 10:47 AM, Christopher Fisk wrote:

WD Red have worked fine for me.  I got a set of 4 and put into a raid.  Had
one keep dropping out of the RAID and failing to rebuild but it turned out
to be a bad SATA cable rather than the drive.


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:05 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:


Heck, your research is way behind. SSD's in NAS is a fact to my meager
reads.
True, any of the users are Linux-geeks that have 'dicked' with their NAS's
OS (f/w), but
still. I read it to mean that this is active ATM, if only on a limited
scale. Way above my pay
grade :) LOL!
Duncan


On 09/19/2013 17:02, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:


That's sexy. Must read more.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:01 AM, Robert Martin Jr. lopaka_...@yahoo.com
wrote:

  What sold me most on the 5N was the ability to add a mSSD in the

accelerator bay, to cache data and speed transfers. I have a Crucial m4
128GB mSATA Internal Solid State Drive CT128M4SSD3 in mine. Once I added
that, the data transfers are crazy fast. Plus the drobo is 5 bays not 4
like the readynas NV+.

lopaka


__**__
From: DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com
To: hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.**comhardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [H] 3TB


Oh! Holy cow! I guess I am still learning how to get my NAS to link up
on my LAN.
I've never tested, but do not think I see this performance. But then,
since completing my
10base1000 LAN, I have never really tested. Actually, I know not how. I
just move/copy stuff
from my desktop to my NAS, and it goes pretty dang quick! The NAS-to-NAS
backups at Zero-dark-30
take place at theNAS' own chosen/agreed upon speed. This I never quibble
about. Clearly I might not be
on top of this, but it all works so well for me I just don't worry about
it at all. I own/run these appliances that
are so much smarter than me, but still speak to me in their 'plain
speak' that I treat them as 'family.' Except for
Intel nic cards, my NAS appliances are the most reliable network
devicesI have ever owned.
I know that they use a Debian-based Linux OS so I do not dig into their
guts. No need to.
They just plain workand make digital life a bit better.
NAS-ON everyone!
Duncan

On 09/19/2013 16:07, Robert Martin Jr. wrote:


Drobo5N is a completely different beast compared to earlier units. I
can transfer 20GB in under a couple minutes over network. ReadyNAS NV+ v1
is about 4-5x that and the v2 6-7x that

lopaka


__**__
 From: Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com
To: hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.**comhardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.**com hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [H] 3TB


The deciding factor for me was the hybrid raid. I mix and match
different sizes and it works just fine.

Before that I had a drobo. Great features but super slow performance.
Gave that to my brother in law as a gift and he uses that till today.

I don't think I could deal with traditional raid. Having all same size
drives would be a bear to upgrade. It's funny. Almost every bay in my
synology has a different brand, size and rotation speed. Everything
just works and works well.

If the synology ever dies I'm never going to switch to another brand.
Love the web os of synology and they keep on improving the interface
and adding features. I barely use most of them. I just have an
antivirus running and do torrents from the synology. I've set it up
with ddns so I can add torrents from my phone wherever I am and once I
come home it's sitting there for me ready to consume.

What more could I want. I also haven't used port teaming to double the
bandwidth to 2Gbps.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2013, at 6:48 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:

  Hi Zool,

Yes, several in the ReadyNAS community seem to be moving to Synology,
QNAP, and,
others. Fine. Different strokes for different folks! Nothing more..
I've studied, thought, played with numbers, and decided to stay with my
3 ReadyNAS boxes until something serious happens.
For certain, Synology will be where I move to!  All of my ReadyNAS run
24/7 and have
never dropped a beat in 3 years.  I still wait for my 1st HD failure!
And, any data loss
I have suffered has been totally 'pilot error' (mine!). I'm good. My
NAS boxes are the PFM
part of my home LAN.
Best,
Duncan

On 09/19/2013 08:28, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:


Ready nas are great. It was between that and the synology for me and
I went
with the latter. 3 years on and its still hasn't skipped a beat.
On Sep 19, 2013 3:03 

Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
NFC can be used to simplify your life.

I have a NFC tag right on my nightstand near my bed which sets my phone to
silent and a whole host of other things so that it doesn't bother me at
night.  No need to futz around with settings.

I also have a NFC Tag in the bathroom and near my door which sets it to my
daily profile.  A NFC tag in on my office table that sets it to my desired
settings in the office.

NFC payments is about the only way I haven't used NFC.

Scanning NFC from passports or other things is cool, but alas, most are
encrypted.  :)


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote:

 Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that NFC is not useful...or even that it
 won't be one day.  But, its promise is not fulfilled on a large scale yet
 as no one as made it indispensable to the masses.  I have at least two
 devices that support NFC (and I bought them in part because of this
 feature), so I personally see the potential there. As far as I can tell,
 NFC is not a compelling technology yet because too many folks are getting
 along happily without it.

 The same with the touch-ID. Fingerprint readers aren't new...and, no one
 has shown them to be something most really want or need.  It will be
 interesting to see if Apple can incorporate it into their devices in such a
 way to make it compelling.  If they can, it will be yet another example of
 not invented here, but hey, we figured out how to make it really work for
 folks.  I'm not a believer.


 On 9/20/2013 8:19 AM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:

 Well, I'd wildly disagree on NFC.   I use NFC frequently and frankly,
 it's one of the cooler phone technologies I've worked with.  Using NFC tags
 I: set my thermostats on the way out the door with a swipe; auto-update
 calendar schedules, evernotes will auto-tag notes to NFC tags which for
 those of us with 'eh' memory is damn slick.


 On 2013-09-20 05:14, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

 The unwashed masses will always be ignorant.  Having a beef with them
 will be counter productive.

 Monikers help sell things.  A retina screen is no big deal to us, but
 to the unwashed masses it makes sure they get the high-resolution
 screen without having to remember all of the details.  And I do give
 apple the credit for realizing that WE needed this in everything and
 starting to bring it out. But they certainly didn't invent
 high-resolution screens, but they are the main reason they are
 ubiquitous on tablets.  If the touch-ID thing pans out, they won't
 (and shouldn't) get credit for a fingerprint reader but making is a
 thing we can use and depend on, they should get credit for, if it
 works, which remains to be seen.  Still to this day no one has made
 NFC into a useful product.  So who invented that is not really so
 important.

 On 9/20/2013 5:02 AM, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:

 My beef in general is with people who don't understand the technology
 and believe the advertising that companies do.

 And let's not forget that Apple is the master of masking the
 underlying technology with a moniker that they call their own and
 making people believe that they were the ones who either invented it
 or are the first one to do it.

 But as I mentioned it really doesn't make a big difference in the end
 as long as the steady march of progress is being made but what really
 bothers me is the uneducated people out there.



 Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net
 wrote:

 So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

 Sent from my mobile device.

  On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
 invented it. Good example is iCloud.



 Sent from my iPhone






-- 
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad


Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that NFC is not useful...or even that it 
won't be one day.  But, its promise is not fulfilled on a large scale 
yet as no one as made it indispensable to the masses.  I have at least 
two devices that support NFC (and I bought them in part because of this 
feature), so I personally see the potential there. As far as I can tell, 
NFC is not a compelling technology yet because too many folks are 
getting along happily without it.


The same with the touch-ID. Fingerprint readers aren't new...and, no one 
has shown them to be something most really want or need.  It will be 
interesting to see if Apple can incorporate it into their devices in 
such a way to make it compelling.  If they can, it will be yet another 
example of not invented here, but hey, we figured out how to make it 
really work for folks.  I'm not a believer.


On 9/20/2013 8:19 AM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:
Well, I'd wildly disagree on NFC.   I use NFC frequently and frankly, 
it's one of the cooler phone technologies I've worked with.  Using NFC 
tags I: set my thermostats on the way out the door with a swipe; 
auto-update calendar schedules, evernotes will auto-tag notes to NFC 
tags which for those of us with 'eh' memory is damn slick.



On 2013-09-20 05:14, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

The unwashed masses will always be ignorant.  Having a beef with them
will be counter productive.

Monikers help sell things.  A retina screen is no big deal to us, but
to the unwashed masses it makes sure they get the high-resolution
screen without having to remember all of the details.  And I do give
apple the credit for realizing that WE needed this in everything and
starting to bring it out. But they certainly didn't invent
high-resolution screens, but they are the main reason they are
ubiquitous on tablets.  If the touch-ID thing pans out, they won't
(and shouldn't) get credit for a fingerprint reader but making is a
thing we can use and depend on, they should get credit for, if it
works, which remains to be seen.  Still to this day no one has made
NFC into a useful product.  So who invented that is not really so
important.

On 9/20/2013 5:02 AM, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:

My beef in general is with people who don't understand the technology
and believe the advertising that companies do.

And let's not forget that Apple is the master of masking the
underlying technology with a moniker that they call their own and
making people believe that they were the ones who either invented it
or are the first one to do it.

But as I mentioned it really doesn't make a big difference in the end
as long as the steady march of progress is being made but what really
bothers me is the uneducated people out there.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin 
amar...@charter.net wrote:


So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

Sent from my mobile device.

On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com 
wrote:


What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
invented it. Good example is iCloud.



Sent from my iPhone






Re: [H] 3TB

2013-09-20 Thread Christopher Fisk
The raid is for my ease of use.  I'm ok over purchasing to save time when a
drive fails just rebuilding rather than restoring.  It also lets me just
toss stuff on one drive letter instead of 4.


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote:

 Why does anyone need movies on a raid?  That seems like overkill to me.
  If one of my drives crashes, it won't be the end of the world as I have
 all of the backups on optical.  I just keep track of what is where so I can
 regen one as needed. But so far, after 24/7 use of nearly two years, no
 problems. Those drives are sleeping 99% of the time. :)


 On 9/20/2013 10:47 AM, Christopher Fisk wrote:

 WD Red have worked fine for me.  I got a set of 4 and put into a raid.
  Had
 one keep dropping out of the RAID and failing to rebuild but it turned out
 to be a bad SATA cable rather than the drive.


 On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:05 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:

  Heck, your research is way behind. SSD's in NAS is a fact to my meager
 reads.
 True, any of the users are Linux-geeks that have 'dicked' with their
 NAS's
 OS (f/w), but
 still. I read it to mean that this is active ATM, if only on a limited
 scale. Way above my pay
 grade :) LOL!
 Duncan


 On 09/19/2013 17:02, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:

  That's sexy. Must read more.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:01 AM, Robert Martin Jr. lopaka_...@yahoo.com
 
 wrote:

   What sold me most on the 5N was the ability to add a mSSD in the

 accelerator bay, to cache data and speed transfers. I have a Crucial m4
 128GB mSATA Internal Solid State Drive CT128M4SSD3 in mine. Once I
 added
 that, the data transfers are crazy fast. Plus the drobo is 5 bays not 4
 like the readynas NV+.

 lopaka


 ____
 From: DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com
 To: hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.comhardware@lists.**
 hardwaregroup.com hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com

 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [H] 3TB


 Oh! Holy cow! I guess I am still learning how to get my NAS to link up
 on my LAN.
 I've never tested, but do not think I see this performance. But then,
 since completing my
 10base1000 LAN, I have never really tested. Actually, I know not how. I
 just move/copy stuff
 from my desktop to my NAS, and it goes pretty dang quick! The
 NAS-to-NAS
 backups at Zero-dark-30
 take place at theNAS' own chosen/agreed upon speed. This I never
 quibble
 about. Clearly I might not be
 on top of this, but it all works so well for me I just don't worry
 about
 it at all. I own/run these appliances that
 are so much smarter than me, but still speak to me in their 'plain
 speak' that I treat them as 'family.' Except for
 Intel nic cards, my NAS appliances are the most reliable network
 devicesI have ever owned.
 I know that they use a Debian-based Linux OS so I do not dig into their
 guts. No need to.
 They just plain workand make digital life a bit better.
 NAS-ON everyone!
 Duncan

 On 09/19/2013 16:07, Robert Martin Jr. wrote:

  Drobo5N is a completely different beast compared to earlier units. I
 can transfer 20GB in under a couple minutes over network. ReadyNAS
 NV+ v1
 is about 4-5x that and the v2 6-7x that

 lopaka


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  From: Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com

 To: hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.comhardware@lists.**
 hardwaregroup.com hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
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 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [H] 3TB


 The deciding factor for me was the hybrid raid. I mix and match
 different sizes and it works just fine.

 Before that I had a drobo. Great features but super slow performance.
 Gave that to my brother in law as a gift and he uses that till today.

 I don't think I could deal with traditional raid. Having all same size
 drives would be a bear to upgrade. It's funny. Almost every bay in my
 synology has a different brand, size and rotation speed. Everything
 just works and works well.

 If the synology ever dies I'm never going to switch to another brand.
 Love the web os of synology and they keep on improving the interface
 and adding features. I barely use most of them. I just have an
 antivirus running and do torrents from the synology. I've set it up
 with ddns so I can add torrents from my phone wherever I am and once I
 come home it's sitting there for me ready to consume.

 What more could I want. I also haven't used port teaming to double the
 bandwidth to 2Gbps.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2013, at 6:48 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:

   Hi Zool,

 Yes, several in the ReadyNAS community seem to be moving to Synology,
 QNAP, and,
 others. Fine. Different strokes for different folks! Nothing more..
 I've studied, thought, played with numbers, and decided to stay with
 my
 3 ReadyNAS boxes until something serious happens.
 For certain, 

Re: [H] 3TB

2013-09-20 Thread Anthony Q. Martin

Good point.

On 9/20/2013 6:32 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote:

On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 03:58:26PM -0400, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

Why does anyone need movies on a raid?  That seems like overkill to me.
If one of my drives crashes, it won't be the end of the world as I have
all of the backups on optical.  I just keep track of what is where so I
can regen one as needed. But so far, after 24/7 use of nearly two years,
no problems. Those drives are sleeping 99% of the time. :)

Hi, not all media is sourced from optical.







Re: [H] 3TB

2013-09-20 Thread Bryan Seitz
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 03:58:26PM -0400, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
 Why does anyone need movies on a raid?  That seems like overkill to me.  
 If one of my drives crashes, it won't be the end of the world as I have 
 all of the backups on optical.  I just keep track of what is where so I 
 can regen one as needed. But so far, after 24/7 use of nearly two years, 
 no problems. Those drives are sleeping 99% of the time. :)

Hi, not all media is sourced from optical.



-- 
 
Bryan G. Seitz


Re: [H] 3TB

2013-09-20 Thread Robert Martin Jr.
When my first ReadyNAS NV+ v1 had the catastrophic failure, I did have all or 
most of my movies on hard copies. I can say it took over 6 months to get 
everything back in digital format because I had to re-rip and stuff. Anything 
important (other than movies) is backed up to 2 different NAS setups so the 
likelihood of failure is small. On the drobo5n I probably have 9 TB's of movie 
files. Once I started doing blu-ray backups, filling up a NAS is easy. Some 
movies are 20GB's each. I like having stuff on raid and have been able to 
recuperate from 3 drive failures because of raid, without doing anything but 
popping the dead drive and and putting a new one in hot. System rebuilds and 
all is good. 


lopaka




 From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [H] 3TB
 

Why does anyone need movies on a raid?  That seems like overkill to me.  
If one of my drives crashes, it won't be the end of the world as I have 
all of the backups on optical.  I just keep track of what is where so I 
can regen one as needed. But so far, after 24/7 use of nearly two years, 
no problems. Those drives are sleeping 99% of the time. :)

On 9/20/2013 10:47 AM, Christopher Fisk wrote:
 WD Red have worked fine for me.  I got a set of 4 and put into a raid.  Had
 one keep dropping out of the RAID and failing to rebuild but it turned out
 to be a bad SATA cable rather than the drive.


 On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:05 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:

 Heck, your research is way behind. SSD's in NAS is a fact to my meager
 reads.
 True, any of the users are Linux-geeks that have 'dicked' with their NAS's
 OS (f/w), but
 still. I read it to mean that this is active ATM, if only on a limited
 scale. Way above my pay
 grade :) LOL!
 Duncan


 On 09/19/2013 17:02, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:

 That's sexy. Must read more.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:01 AM, Robert Martin Jr. lopaka_...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

   What sold me most on the 5N was the ability to add a mSSD in the
 accelerator bay, to cache data and speed transfers. I have a Crucial m4
 128GB mSATA Internal Solid State Drive CT128M4SSD3 in mine. Once I added
 that, the data transfers are crazy fast. Plus the drobo is 5 bays not 4
 like the readynas NV+.

 lopaka


 __**__
 From: DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com
 To: hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.**comhardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [H] 3TB


 Oh! Holy cow! I guess I am still learning how to get my NAS to link up
 on my LAN.
 I've never tested, but do not think I see this performance. But then,
 since completing my
 10base1000 LAN, I have never really tested. Actually, I know not how. I
 just move/copy stuff
 from my desktop to my NAS, and it goes pretty dang quick! The NAS-to-NAS
 backups at Zero-dark-30
 take place at theNAS' own chosen/agreed upon speed. This I never quibble
 about. Clearly I might not be
 on top of this, but it all works so well for me I just don't worry about
 it at all. I own/run these appliances that
 are so much smarter than me, but still speak to me in their 'plain
 speak' that I treat them as 'family.' Except for
 Intel nic cards, my NAS appliances are the most reliable network
 devicesI have ever owned.
 I know that they use a Debian-based Linux OS so I do not dig into their
 guts. No need to.
 They just plain workand make digital life a bit better.
 NAS-ON everyone!
 Duncan

 On 09/19/2013 16:07, Robert Martin Jr. wrote:

 Drobo5N is a completely different beast compared to earlier units. I
 can transfer 20GB in under a couple minutes over network. ReadyNAS NV+ v1
 is about 4-5x that and the v2 6-7x that

 lopaka


 __**__
      From: Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com
 To: hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.**comhardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
 hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.**com hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [H] 3TB


 The deciding factor for me was the hybrid raid. I mix and match
 different sizes and it works just fine.

 Before that I had a drobo. Great features but super slow performance.
 Gave that to my brother in law as a gift and he uses that till today.

 I don't think I could deal with traditional raid. Having all same size
 drives would be a bear to upgrade. It's funny. Almost every bay in my
 synology has a different brand, size and rotation speed. Everything
 just works and works well.

 If the synology ever dies I'm never going to switch to another brand.
 Love the web os of synology and they keep on improving the interface
 and adding features. I barely use most of them. I just have an
 antivirus running and do torrents from the synology. I've set it up
 with ddns so I can add torrents from my phone wherever I am and once I
 come home it's sitting there for me ready to