Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-21 Thread DSinc

Guys.NFC? Enjoying the shares.
Duncan

On 09/20/2013 15:56, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that NFC is not useful...or even that 
it won't be one day.  But, its promise is not fulfilled on a large 
scale yet as no one as made it indispensable to the masses.  I have at 
least two devices that support NFC (and I bought them in part because 
of this feature), so I personally see the potential there. As far as I 
can tell, NFC is not a compelling technology yet because too many 
folks are getting along happily without it.


The same with the touch-ID. Fingerprint readers aren't new...and, no 
one has shown them to be something most really want or need. It will 
be interesting to see if Apple can incorporate it into their devices 
in such a way to make it compelling.  If they can, it will be yet 
another example of not invented here, but hey, we figured out how to 
make it really work for folks.  I'm not a believer.


On 9/20/2013 8:19 AM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:
Well, I'd wildly disagree on NFC.   I use NFC frequently and frankly, 
it's one of the cooler phone technologies I've worked with.  Using 
NFC tags I: set my thermostats on the way out the door with a swipe; 
auto-update calendar schedules, evernotes will auto-tag notes to NFC 
tags which for those of us with 'eh' memory is damn slick.



On 2013-09-20 05:14, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

The unwashed masses will always be ignorant.  Having a beef with them
will be counter productive.

Monikers help sell things.  A retina screen is no big deal to us, but
to the unwashed masses it makes sure they get the high-resolution
screen without having to remember all of the details.  And I do give
apple the credit for realizing that WE needed this in everything and
starting to bring it out. But they certainly didn't invent
high-resolution screens, but they are the main reason they are
ubiquitous on tablets.  If the touch-ID thing pans out, they won't
(and shouldn't) get credit for a fingerprint reader but making is a
thing we can use and depend on, they should get credit for, if it
works, which remains to be seen.  Still to this day no one has made
NFC into a useful product.  So who invented that is not really so
important.

On 9/20/2013 5:02 AM, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:

My beef in general is with people who don't understand the technology
and believe the advertising that companies do.

And let's not forget that Apple is the master of masking the
underlying technology with a moniker that they call their own and
making people believe that they were the ones who either invented it
or are the first one to do it.

But as I mentioned it really doesn't make a big difference in the end
as long as the steady march of progress is being made but what really
bothers me is the uneducated people out there.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin 
amar...@charter.net wrote:


So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

Sent from my mobile device.

On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com 
wrote:


What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
invented it. Good example is iCloud.



Sent from my iPhone









Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-21 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
Near field communications

It's basically a non contract or light touch method of exchanging data.
On Sep 21, 2013 2:34 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:

 Guys.NFC? Enjoying the shares.
 Duncan

 On 09/20/2013 15:56, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

 Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that NFC is not useful...or even that it
 won't be one day.  But, its promise is not fulfilled on a large scale yet
 as no one as made it indispensable to the masses.  I have at least two
 devices that support NFC (and I bought them in part because of this
 feature), so I personally see the potential there. As far as I can tell,
 NFC is not a compelling technology yet because too many folks are getting
 along happily without it.

 The same with the touch-ID. Fingerprint readers aren't new...and, no one
 has shown them to be something most really want or need. It will be
 interesting to see if Apple can incorporate it into their devices in such a
 way to make it compelling.  If they can, it will be yet another example of
 not invented here, but hey, we figured out how to make it really work for
 folks.  I'm not a believer.

 On 9/20/2013 8:19 AM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:

 Well, I'd wildly disagree on NFC.   I use NFC frequently and frankly,
 it's one of the cooler phone technologies I've worked with.  Using NFC tags
 I: set my thermostats on the way out the door with a swipe; auto-update
 calendar schedules, evernotes will auto-tag notes to NFC tags which for
 those of us with 'eh' memory is damn slick.


 On 2013-09-20 05:14, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

 The unwashed masses will always be ignorant.  Having a beef with them
 will be counter productive.

 Monikers help sell things.  A retina screen is no big deal to us, but
 to the unwashed masses it makes sure they get the high-resolution
 screen without having to remember all of the details.  And I do give
 apple the credit for realizing that WE needed this in everything and
 starting to bring it out. But they certainly didn't invent
 high-resolution screens, but they are the main reason they are
 ubiquitous on tablets.  If the touch-ID thing pans out, they won't
 (and shouldn't) get credit for a fingerprint reader but making is a
 thing we can use and depend on, they should get credit for, if it
 works, which remains to be seen.  Still to this day no one has made
 NFC into a useful product.  So who invented that is not really so
 important.

 On 9/20/2013 5:02 AM, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:

 My beef in general is with people who don't understand the technology
 and believe the advertising that companies do.

 And let's not forget that Apple is the master of masking the
 underlying technology with a moniker that they call their own and
 making people believe that they were the ones who either invented it
 or are the first one to do it.

 But as I mentioned it really doesn't make a big difference in the end
 as long as the steady march of progress is being made but what really
 bothers me is the uneducated people out there.



 Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin 
 amar...@charter.net wrote:

 So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

 Sent from my mobile device.

  On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
 invented it. Good example is iCloud.



 Sent from my iPhone








Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-21 Thread Brian Weeden
And something Apple is unlikely to ever support since they're going with
their own proprietary iBeacon protocol which is based on Bluetooth.Lowe
Energy:

http://gigaom.com/2013/09/10/with-ibeacon-apple-is-going-to-dump-on-nfc-and-embrace-the-internet-of-things/

Main difference is range and cost - iBeacon is higher in both. From a
security standpoint, I don't think that's good news. There are already
plenty of attacks against NFC that are ultimately limited because you have
to get within a few centimeters of the chip. If that range is now tens of
meters with iBeacon, it's a whole new class of problem.



-
Brian



On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar z00...@gmail.com wrote:

 Near field communications

 It's basically a non contract or light touch method of exchanging data.
 On Sep 21, 2013 2:34 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:

  Guys.NFC? Enjoying the shares.
  Duncan
 
  On 09/20/2013 15:56, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
 
  Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that NFC is not useful...or even that it
  won't be one day.  But, its promise is not fulfilled on a large scale
 yet
  as no one as made it indispensable to the masses.  I have at least two
  devices that support NFC (and I bought them in part because of this
  feature), so I personally see the potential there. As far as I can tell,
  NFC is not a compelling technology yet because too many folks are
 getting
  along happily without it.
 
  The same with the touch-ID. Fingerprint readers aren't new...and, no one
  has shown them to be something most really want or need. It will be
  interesting to see if Apple can incorporate it into their devices in
 such a
  way to make it compelling.  If they can, it will be yet another example
 of
  not invented here, but hey, we figured out how to make it really work
 for
  folks.  I'm not a believer.
 
  On 9/20/2013 8:19 AM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:
 
  Well, I'd wildly disagree on NFC.   I use NFC frequently and frankly,
  it's one of the cooler phone technologies I've worked with.  Using NFC
 tags
  I: set my thermostats on the way out the door with a swipe; auto-update
  calendar schedules, evernotes will auto-tag notes to NFC tags which for
  those of us with 'eh' memory is damn slick.
 
 
  On 2013-09-20 05:14, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
 
  The unwashed masses will always be ignorant.  Having a beef with them
  will be counter productive.
 
  Monikers help sell things.  A retina screen is no big deal to us, but
  to the unwashed masses it makes sure they get the high-resolution
  screen without having to remember all of the details.  And I do give
  apple the credit for realizing that WE needed this in everything and
  starting to bring it out. But they certainly didn't invent
  high-resolution screens, but they are the main reason they are
  ubiquitous on tablets.  If the touch-ID thing pans out, they won't
  (and shouldn't) get credit for a fingerprint reader but making is a
  thing we can use and depend on, they should get credit for, if it
  works, which remains to be seen.  Still to this day no one has made
  NFC into a useful product.  So who invented that is not really so
  important.
 
  On 9/20/2013 5:02 AM, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:
 
  My beef in general is with people who don't understand the technology
  and believe the advertising that companies do.
 
  And let's not forget that Apple is the master of masking the
  underlying technology with a moniker that they call their own and
  making people believe that they were the ones who either invented it
  or are the first one to do it.
 
  But as I mentioned it really doesn't make a big difference in the end
  as long as the steady march of progress is being made but what really
  bothers me is the uneducated people out there.
 
 
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
   On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin 
  amar...@charter.net wrote:
 
  So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)
 
  Sent from my mobile device.
 
   On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
  invented it. Good example is iCloud.
 
 
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
 
 
 
 
 



Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-21 Thread DSinc

Thanks List,
I wiki'd NFC this AM and got these 3 sorta techie hits:

 * Near field communication
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication, a wireless
   communication technology
 * Nintendo Family Computer
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Family_Computer, the
   Japanese version of the Nintendo Entertainment System video game console
 * Network File Control
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_File_Control, a networking
   technology

I sorta figured in might be the 1st one. Reminds me of the Phillips 
Petro key-fob thinky of way back when. Aware that Starbucks is

still trying to get this to work also.
Yes, Brian, I get that Apple will 'rename it' and claim they invented 
it. Fine. Just marketing wars. Ho-Hum. :)
I will read your link and wise-up to perhaps a future IBeacon! Jeez, I 
am still happy building 'white boxes' personally!

Duncan

On 09/21/2013 07:45, Brian Weeden wrote:

And something Apple is unlikely to ever support since they're going with
their own proprietary iBeacon protocol which is based on Bluetooth.Lowe
Energy:

http://gigaom.com/2013/09/10/with-ibeacon-apple-is-going-to-dump-on-nfc-and-embrace-the-internet-of-things/

Main difference is range and cost - iBeacon is higher in both. From a
security standpoint, I don't think that's good news. There are already
plenty of attacks against NFC that are ultimately limited because you have
to get within a few centimeters of the chip. If that range is now tens of
meters with iBeacon, it's a whole new class of problem.



-
Brian



On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar z00...@gmail.com wrote:


Near field communications

It's basically a non contract or light touch method of exchanging data.
On Sep 21, 2013 2:34 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:


Guys.NFC? Enjoying the shares.
Duncan

On 09/20/2013 15:56, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:


Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that NFC is not useful...or even that it
won't be one day.  But, its promise is not fulfilled on a large scale

yet

as no one as made it indispensable to the masses.  I have at least two
devices that support NFC (and I bought them in part because of this
feature), so I personally see the potential there. As far as I can tell,
NFC is not a compelling technology yet because too many folks are

getting

along happily without it.

The same with the touch-ID. Fingerprint readers aren't new...and, no one
has shown them to be something most really want or need. It will be
interesting to see if Apple can incorporate it into their devices in

such a

way to make it compelling.  If they can, it will be yet another example

of

not invented here, but hey, we figured out how to make it really work

for

folks.  I'm not a believer.

On 9/20/2013 8:19 AM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:


Well, I'd wildly disagree on NFC.   I use NFC frequently and frankly,
it's one of the cooler phone technologies I've worked with.  Using NFC

tags

I: set my thermostats on the way out the door with a swipe; auto-update
calendar schedules, evernotes will auto-tag notes to NFC tags which for
those of us with 'eh' memory is damn slick.


On 2013-09-20 05:14, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:


The unwashed masses will always be ignorant.  Having a beef with them
will be counter productive.

Monikers help sell things.  A retina screen is no big deal to us, but
to the unwashed masses it makes sure they get the high-resolution
screen without having to remember all of the details.  And I do give
apple the credit for realizing that WE needed this in everything and
starting to bring it out. But they certainly didn't invent
high-resolution screens, but they are the main reason they are
ubiquitous on tablets.  If the touch-ID thing pans out, they won't
(and shouldn't) get credit for a fingerprint reader but making is a
thing we can use and depend on, they should get credit for, if it
works, which remains to be seen.  Still to this day no one has made
NFC into a useful product.  So who invented that is not really so
important.

On 9/20/2013 5:02 AM, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:


My beef in general is with people who don't understand the technology
and believe the advertising that companies do.

And let's not forget that Apple is the master of masking the
underlying technology with a moniker that they call their own and
making people believe that they were the ones who either invented it
or are the first one to do it.

But as I mentioned it really doesn't make a big difference in the end
as long as the steady march of progress is being made but what really
bothers me is the uneducated people out there.



Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin 

amar...@charter.net wrote:

So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

Sent from my mobile device.

  On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com

wrote:

What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
invented it. Good example is iCloud.



Sent from 

Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

Sent from my mobile device.

 On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
 invented it. Good example is iCloud.
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 20, 2013, at 4:10 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Why is it a problem to give them credit for making it all work?
 
 Sent from my mobile device.
 
 On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So, I updated my phone to iOS 7 and it looks pretty decent so far.
 
 The new layout is a bit jarring but I'm sure I will get used to it.
 
 It's funny how Apple has taken the best bits from different operating
 systems but somehow have managed to improve them and give them a name.
 And that's what I don't like about Apple it makes people think that
 Apple has invented this feature while that is not necessarily the
 case.
 
 Either way it really doesn't matter in the end I think that what Apple
 is doing pushes the mobile industry forward regardless of how they may
 copy other people.
 
 Indian the real winner is the consumer and that's what matters the most.
 
 Sent from my iPhone


Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread tmservo
Well, I'd wildly disagree on NFC.   I use NFC frequently and frankly, 
it's one of the cooler phone technologies I've worked with.  Using NFC 
tags I: set my thermostats on the way out the door with a swipe; 
auto-update calendar schedules, evernotes will auto-tag notes to NFC 
tags which for those of us with 'eh' memory is damn slick.



On 2013-09-20 05:14, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

The unwashed masses will always be ignorant.  Having a beef with them
will be counter productive.

Monikers help sell things.  A retina screen is no big deal to us, but
to the unwashed masses it makes sure they get the high-resolution
screen without having to remember all of the details.  And I do give
apple the credit for realizing that WE needed this in everything and
starting to bring it out. But they certainly didn't invent
high-resolution screens, but they are the main reason they are
ubiquitous on tablets.  If the touch-ID thing pans out, they won't
(and shouldn't) get credit for a fingerprint reader but making is a
thing we can use and depend on, they should get credit for, if it
works, which remains to be seen.  Still to this day no one has made
NFC into a useful product.  So who invented that is not really so
important.

On 9/20/2013 5:02 AM, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:

My beef in general is with people who don't understand the technology
and believe the advertising that companies do.

And let's not forget that Apple is the master of masking the
underlying technology with a moniker that they call their own and
making people believe that they were the ones who either invented it
or are the first one to do it.

But as I mentioned it really doesn't make a big difference in the end
as long as the steady march of progress is being made but what really
bothers me is the uneducated people out there.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin 
amar...@charter.net wrote:


So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

Sent from my mobile device.

On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com 
wrote:


What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
invented it. Good example is iCloud.



Sent from my iPhone


Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread tmservo

IOS7 good: function seems to be nice, control center seems to be nice.
Bad: my battery life on my Ipad4 has went to total shit.   I'll have to 
figure that out, that's going to kill me.  Dislike the folder popout; 
now instead of filling screen it's a smaller box that ou have to scroll 
to get all the items of.  Dislike that idea.   Icons kind of 
goofy/rainbow bright like.


Like the function, some things are quite nice.. but for right now the 
battery life thing is making all the rest hard to judge.



On 2013-09-20 04:20, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

Sent from my mobile device.

On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com 
wrote:


What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
invented it. Good example is iCloud.




Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Brian Weeden
Increased battery drain may be because they added a feature that allows
apps to update in the background (ie, the multitasking that many said they
wanted).. See this for how to disable it:

http://www.tuaw.com/2013/09/18/how-to-stop-ios-7-from-destroying-your-iphones-battery-life/





-
Brian



On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 2:22 AM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:

 IOS7 good: function seems to be nice, control center seems to be nice.
 Bad: my battery life on my Ipad4 has went to total shit.   I'll have to
 figure that out, that's going to kill me.  Dislike the folder popout; now
 instead of filling screen it's a smaller box that ou have to scroll to get
 all the items of.  Dislike that idea.   Icons kind of goofy/rainbow bright
 like.

 Like the function, some things are quite nice.. but for right now the
 battery life thing is making all the rest hard to judge.



 On 2013-09-20 04:20, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

 So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

 Sent from my mobile device.

  On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com wrote:

 What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
 invented it. Good example is iCloud.





Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
NFC can be used to simplify your life.

I have a NFC tag right on my nightstand near my bed which sets my phone to
silent and a whole host of other things so that it doesn't bother me at
night.  No need to futz around with settings.

I also have a NFC Tag in the bathroom and near my door which sets it to my
daily profile.  A NFC tag in on my office table that sets it to my desired
settings in the office.

NFC payments is about the only way I haven't used NFC.

Scanning NFC from passports or other things is cool, but alas, most are
encrypted.  :)


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote:

 Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that NFC is not useful...or even that it
 won't be one day.  But, its promise is not fulfilled on a large scale yet
 as no one as made it indispensable to the masses.  I have at least two
 devices that support NFC (and I bought them in part because of this
 feature), so I personally see the potential there. As far as I can tell,
 NFC is not a compelling technology yet because too many folks are getting
 along happily without it.

 The same with the touch-ID. Fingerprint readers aren't new...and, no one
 has shown them to be something most really want or need.  It will be
 interesting to see if Apple can incorporate it into their devices in such a
 way to make it compelling.  If they can, it will be yet another example of
 not invented here, but hey, we figured out how to make it really work for
 folks.  I'm not a believer.


 On 9/20/2013 8:19 AM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:

 Well, I'd wildly disagree on NFC.   I use NFC frequently and frankly,
 it's one of the cooler phone technologies I've worked with.  Using NFC tags
 I: set my thermostats on the way out the door with a swipe; auto-update
 calendar schedules, evernotes will auto-tag notes to NFC tags which for
 those of us with 'eh' memory is damn slick.


 On 2013-09-20 05:14, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

 The unwashed masses will always be ignorant.  Having a beef with them
 will be counter productive.

 Monikers help sell things.  A retina screen is no big deal to us, but
 to the unwashed masses it makes sure they get the high-resolution
 screen without having to remember all of the details.  And I do give
 apple the credit for realizing that WE needed this in everything and
 starting to bring it out. But they certainly didn't invent
 high-resolution screens, but they are the main reason they are
 ubiquitous on tablets.  If the touch-ID thing pans out, they won't
 (and shouldn't) get credit for a fingerprint reader but making is a
 thing we can use and depend on, they should get credit for, if it
 works, which remains to be seen.  Still to this day no one has made
 NFC into a useful product.  So who invented that is not really so
 important.

 On 9/20/2013 5:02 AM, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:

 My beef in general is with people who don't understand the technology
 and believe the advertising that companies do.

 And let's not forget that Apple is the master of masking the
 underlying technology with a moniker that they call their own and
 making people believe that they were the ones who either invented it
 or are the first one to do it.

 But as I mentioned it really doesn't make a big difference in the end
 as long as the steady march of progress is being made but what really
 bothers me is the uneducated people out there.



 Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net
 wrote:

 So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

 Sent from my mobile device.

  On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
 invented it. Good example is iCloud.



 Sent from my iPhone






-- 
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad


Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that NFC is not useful...or even that it 
won't be one day.  But, its promise is not fulfilled on a large scale 
yet as no one as made it indispensable to the masses.  I have at least 
two devices that support NFC (and I bought them in part because of this 
feature), so I personally see the potential there. As far as I can tell, 
NFC is not a compelling technology yet because too many folks are 
getting along happily without it.


The same with the touch-ID. Fingerprint readers aren't new...and, no one 
has shown them to be something most really want or need.  It will be 
interesting to see if Apple can incorporate it into their devices in 
such a way to make it compelling.  If they can, it will be yet another 
example of not invented here, but hey, we figured out how to make it 
really work for folks.  I'm not a believer.


On 9/20/2013 8:19 AM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:
Well, I'd wildly disagree on NFC.   I use NFC frequently and frankly, 
it's one of the cooler phone technologies I've worked with.  Using NFC 
tags I: set my thermostats on the way out the door with a swipe; 
auto-update calendar schedules, evernotes will auto-tag notes to NFC 
tags which for those of us with 'eh' memory is damn slick.



On 2013-09-20 05:14, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

The unwashed masses will always be ignorant.  Having a beef with them
will be counter productive.

Monikers help sell things.  A retina screen is no big deal to us, but
to the unwashed masses it makes sure they get the high-resolution
screen without having to remember all of the details.  And I do give
apple the credit for realizing that WE needed this in everything and
starting to bring it out. But they certainly didn't invent
high-resolution screens, but they are the main reason they are
ubiquitous on tablets.  If the touch-ID thing pans out, they won't
(and shouldn't) get credit for a fingerprint reader but making is a
thing we can use and depend on, they should get credit for, if it
works, which remains to be seen.  Still to this day no one has made
NFC into a useful product.  So who invented that is not really so
important.

On 9/20/2013 5:02 AM, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:

My beef in general is with people who don't understand the technology
and believe the advertising that companies do.

And let's not forget that Apple is the master of masking the
underlying technology with a moniker that they call their own and
making people believe that they were the ones who either invented it
or are the first one to do it.

But as I mentioned it really doesn't make a big difference in the end
as long as the steady march of progress is being made but what really
bothers me is the uneducated people out there.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin 
amar...@charter.net wrote:


So your beef is with fanboys. Nobody likes fanboys. :)

Sent from my mobile device.

On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com 
wrote:


What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
invented it. Good example is iCloud.



Sent from my iPhone






Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-19 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Why is it a problem to give them credit for making it all work?

Sent from my mobile device.

 On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So, I updated my phone to iOS 7 and it looks pretty decent so far.
 
 The new layout is a bit jarring but I'm sure I will get used to it.
 
 It's funny how Apple has taken the best bits from different operating
 systems but somehow have managed to improve them and give them a name.
 And that's what I don't like about Apple it makes people think that
 Apple has invented this feature while that is not necessarily the
 case.
 
 Either way it really doesn't matter in the end I think that what Apple
 is doing pushes the mobile industry forward regardless of how they may
 copy other people.
 
 Indian the real winner is the consumer and that's what matters the most.
 
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Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-19 Thread Zulfiqar Naushad
What annoys me is when Apple fanboys see something and say apple
invented it. Good example is iCloud.



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 On Sep 20, 2013, at 4:10 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote:

 Why is it a problem to give them credit for making it all work?

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 On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, I updated my phone to iOS 7 and it looks pretty decent so far.

 The new layout is a bit jarring but I'm sure I will get used to it.

 It's funny how Apple has taken the best bits from different operating
 systems but somehow have managed to improve them and give them a name.
 And that's what I don't like about Apple it makes people think that
 Apple has invented this feature while that is not necessarily the
 case.

 Either way it really doesn't matter in the end I think that what Apple
 is doing pushes the mobile industry forward regardless of how they may
 copy other people.

 Indian the real winner is the consumer and that's what matters the most.

 Sent from my iPhone


Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-19 Thread Bryan Seitz
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 03:25:52AM +0300, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:
 So, I updated my phone to iOS 7 and it looks pretty decent so far.
 
It looks like *ASS* but the functionality and performance are definitely better.

 It's funny how Apple has taken the best bits from different operating
 systems but somehow have managed to improve them and give them a name.
 And that's what I don't like about Apple it makes people think that
 Apple has invented this feature while that is not necessarily the
 case.

What's wrong with that, the consumer still benefits.

 Either way it really doesn't matter in the end I think that what Apple
 is doing pushes the mobile industry forward regardless of how they may
 copy other people.

The iPhone started it all, the 'screw the carrier' restricted bullsh*t
here's a phone that actually does things!  Now we have ios/android in
the lead and blackberry on the way out which is great from where I stand.

 Indian the real winner is the consumer and that's what matters the most.

^

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Bryan G. Seitz


Re: [H] iOS 7

2013-09-19 Thread Jason Chue
On 20 Sep 2013 08:26, Zulfiqar Naushad z00...@gmail.com wrote:

 Indian the real winner is the consumer and that's what matters the most.

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