Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
Cocoa and Darwin... OSX is a great OS and I would love to see a PC port as it is UNIX based, the Window system is a openGL rendering, not a GDI rendering (direct draw) which puts less strain on the processor for desktop rendering and allows for some sleeker graphics. Windows XP tried to do this but didd'nt quite make it. Yes you CAN do things on a Mac that are normally done on a PC, the meulators for windows work fine, I have been able to run HL and other games on it just fine along with my other essential software. No, Apple doesnt price gouge, actually the higher prices comes from their choice of product, they went higher end with this such as firewire which was invented before USB however the expense of it quickly made USB catch in the PC world, yet it never was anywhere close to the speed of firewire and is still today the method of choice for all DV editors today. Don't forget they went straight into SCSI instead of the cheaper PC EIDE drives. Also the mac's g4 processor runs ont he new RISC archetecture which no Intel or AMD has been able to match (yet, look @ the clawhammer) The dual G4 pumps out a whopping 16 gigaFLOPS (Floating Point Operations Per Second) versus the dual AMD or Intel's 6 or 7. Coupled with the better flat panel monitor technology and better sense on the higher end of the industry Apple suprisngly made the best choice for OSX, as the Server OS is quite powerful and is able to run any UNIX installed software I choose so running and maintaining the server is a breeze, I would love to see a Windows server try to outrun it. One other thing, this was a HLCoders list, not a mac and PC pissing contest, get back to HL kthx =p -iggy - Original Message - From: Chris Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC bah, I have nothing better to do. Macs are good at what they do: drool proof systems, graphics design, and matching the curtains. PCs are true general purpose machines. anything you can do with a mac you can do with a PC, the inverse is not true. on Ooperating systems: Linux does what it does well (server, file recovery, being 1337, being stable.) Windows is good with games, but is rather buggy for a 100%, mission critical, 'net connected server. Mac OS is good at looking pretty, and with BSD, you can actualy do stuff. An apple salesperson showed off a dual g4 box with osX (before it came out to the masses). I was like: yeah, but does it have a command line. he popped open a term, and said: it has all of the basic *nix commands, but they're in slightly diferent locations. macOS is promising, let's put it that way. (there have been successes in making an Xfree compatibility layer with osX, meaning X programs can run on aqua or cocoa or whatever it's called.) - Original Message - From: Daniel Koppes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC I'll stick with PC + Windows 2000... its pretty much 100% stable *hides from the Linux fanboys* For sure, lol. I love Mac design !!! I dream of a mix-computer mac hardware + x86 software On 10 Oct 2002 at 23:46, Daniel Koppes wrote: Um. Please tell me you're kidding. Please Okso it's a fruit ^^ I often eat apple-pies, can I eat PC-pies too ? On 10 Oct 2002 at 22:31, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Uh oh. See www.apple.com _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob le Pointu Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC What is a mac ? (;) On 10 Oct 2002 at 19:29, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Some love them and some hate them. I personally have never seen a program crash on a mac, but everybody has seen different things so you live with what you want and be happy with it and I'll do the same. _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes, it's available on mac, but it really really sucks on the mac. it's slow, it's buggy, it crashes a lot
Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
Your simply naive if you do not believe Apple keeps their prices inflated. The computers themselves are not that much more expensive when mass produced, the difference is the name. - Original Message - From: Avatar-X [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] what was the point of this little rant of yours? everything you mention is also possible on the PC... the PC manufacturers simply don't force you to use it. besides, any idiot with a stopwatch can see that a lower-end PC runs faster than a brand new high-end mac, sure maybe their processers can do a lot of gigaflops but they sure don't use them wisely. -av Aaron Kalin wrote: Cocoa and Darwin... OSX is a great OS and I would love to see a PC port as it is UNIX based, the Window system is a openGL rendering, not a GDI rendering (direct draw) which puts less strain on the processor for desktop rendering and allows for some sleeker graphics. Windows XP tried to do this but didd'nt quite make it. Yes you CAN do things on a Mac that are normally done on a PC, the meulators for windows work fine, I have been able to run HL and other games on it just fine along with my other essential software. No, Apple doesnt price gouge, actually the higher prices comes from their choice of product, they went higher end with this such as firewire which was invented before USB however the expense of it quickly made USB catch in the PC world, yet it never was anywhere close to the speed of firewire and is still today the method of choice for all DV editors today. Don't forget they went straight into SCSI instead of the cheaper PC EIDE drives. Also the mac's g4 processor runs ont he new RISC archetecture which no Intel or AMD has been able to match (yet, look @ the clawhammer) The dual G4 pumps out a whopping 16 gigaFLOPS (Floating Point Operations Per Second) versus the dual AMD or Intel's 6 or 7. Coupled with the better flat panel monitor technology and better sense on the higher end of the industry Apple suprisngly made the best choice for OSX, as the Server OS is quite powerful and is able to run any UNIX installed software I choose so running and maintaining the server is a breeze, I would love to see a Windows server try to outrun it. One other thing, this was a HLCoders list, not a mac and PC pissing contest, get back to HL kthx =p -iggy - Original Message - From: Chris Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC bah, I have nothing better to do. Macs are good at what they do: drool proof systems, graphics design, and matching the curtains. PCs are true general purpose machines. anything you can do with a mac you can do with a PC, the inverse is not true. on Ooperating systems: Linux does what it does well (server, file recovery, being 1337, being stable.) Windows is good with games, but is rather buggy for a 100%, mission critical, 'net connected server. Mac OS is good at looking pretty, and with BSD, you can actualy do stuff. An apple salesperson showed off a dual g4 box with osX (before it came out to the masses). I was like: yeah, but does it have a command line. he popped open a term, and said: it has all of the basic *nix commands, but they're in slightly diferent locations. macOS is promising, let's put it that way. (there have been successes in making an Xfree compatibility layer with osX, meaning X programs can run on aqua or cocoa or whatever it's called.) - Original Message - From: Daniel Koppes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC I'll stick with PC + Windows 2000... its pretty much 100% stable *hides from the Linux fanboys* For sure, lol. I love Mac design !!! I dream of a mix-computer mac hardware + x86 software On 10 Oct 2002 at 23:46, Daniel Koppes wrote: Um. Please tell me you're kidding. Please Okso it's a fruit ^^ I often eat apple-pies, can I eat PC-pies too ? On 10 Oct 2002 at 22:31, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Uh oh. See www.apple.com _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob le Pointu Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC What is a mac ? (;) On 10 Oct 2002 at 19:29, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Some love them and some hate them. I personally have never seen a program crash on a mac, but everybody has seen different things so you
Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
Unless you're stupid enough to believe that different coloured cases cost 100% more than beige ones At 05:54 11/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: Your simply naive if you do not believe Apple keeps their prices inflated. The computers themselves are not that much more expensive when mass produced, the difference is the name. - Original Message - From: Avatar-X [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] what was the point of this little rant of yours? everything you mention is also possible on the PC... the PC manufacturers simply don't force you to use it. besides, any idiot with a stopwatch can see that a lower-end PC runs faster than a brand new high-end mac, sure maybe their processers can do a lot of gigaflops but they sure don't use them wisely. -av Aaron Kalin wrote: Cocoa and Darwin... OSX is a great OS and I would love to see a PC port as it is UNIX based, the Window system is a openGL rendering, not a GDI rendering (direct draw) which puts less strain on the processor for desktop rendering and allows for some sleeker graphics. Windows XP tried to do this but didd'nt quite make it. Yes you CAN do things on a Mac that are normally done on a PC, the meulators for windows work fine, I have been able to run HL and other games on it just fine along with my other essential software. No, Apple doesnt price gouge, actually the higher prices comes from their choice of product, they went higher end with this such as firewire which was invented before USB however the expense of it quickly made USB catch in the PC world, yet it never was anywhere close to the speed of firewire and is still today the method of choice for all DV editors today. Don't forget they went straight into SCSI instead of the cheaper PC EIDE drives. Also the mac's g4 processor runs ont he new RISC archetecture which no Intel or AMD has been able to match (yet, look @ the clawhammer) The dual G4 pumps out a whopping 16 gigaFLOPS (Floating Point Operations Per Second) versus the dual AMD or Intel's 6 or 7. Coupled with the better flat panel monitor technology and better sense on the higher end of the industry Apple suprisngly made the best choice for OSX, as the Server OS is quite powerful and is able to run any UNIX installed software I choose so running and maintaining the server is a breeze, I would love to see a Windows server try to outrun it. One other thing, this was a HLCoders list, not a mac and PC pissing contest, get back to HL kthx =p -iggy - Original Message - From: Chris Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC bah, I have nothing better to do. Macs are good at what they do: drool proof systems, graphics design, and matching the curtains. PCs are true general purpose machines. anything you can do with a mac you can do with a PC, the inverse is not true. on Ooperating systems: Linux does what it does well (server, file recovery, being 1337, being stable.) Windows is good with games, but is rather buggy for a 100%, mission critical, 'net connected server. Mac OS is good at looking pretty, and with BSD, you can actualy do stuff. An apple salesperson showed off a dual g4 box with osX (before it came out to the masses). I was like: yeah, but does it have a command line. he popped open a term, and said: it has all of the basic *nix commands, but they're in slightly diferent locations. macOS is promising, let's put it that way. (there have been successes in making an Xfree compatibility layer with osX, meaning X programs can run on aqua or cocoa or whatever it's called.) - Original Message - From: Daniel Koppes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC I'll stick with PC + Windows 2000... its pretty much 100% stable *hides from the Linux fanboys* For sure, lol. I love Mac design !!! I dream of a mix-computer mac hardware + x86 software On 10 Oct 2002 at 23:46, Daniel Koppes wrote: Um. Please tell me you're kidding. Please Okso it's a fruit ^^ I often eat apple-pies, can I eat PC-pies too ? On 10 Oct 2002 at 22:31, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Uh oh. See www.apple.com _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob le Pointu Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC What is a mac ? (;) On 10 Oct 2002 at 19:29, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Some love them
Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] what was the point of this little rant of yours? everything you mention is also possible on the PC... the PC manufacturers simply don't force you to use it. besides, any idiot with a stopwatch can see that a lower-end PC runs faster than a brand new high-end mac, sure maybe their processers can do a lot of gigaflops but they sure don't use them wisely. -av Aaron Kalin wrote: Cocoa and Darwin... OSX is a great OS and I would love to see a PC port as it is UNIX based, the Window system is a openGL rendering, not a GDI rendering (direct draw) which puts less strain on the processor for desktop rendering and allows for some sleeker graphics. Windows XP tried to do this but didd'nt quite make it. Yes you CAN do things on a Mac that are normally done on a PC, the meulators for windows work fine, I have been able to run HL and other games on it just fine along with my other essential software. No, Apple doesnt price gouge, actually the higher prices comes from their choice of product, they went higher end with this such as firewire which was invented before USB however the expense of it quickly made USB catch in the PC world, yet it never was anywhere close to the speed of firewire and is still today the method of choice for all DV editors today. Don't forget they went straight into SCSI instead of the cheaper PC EIDE drives. Also the mac's g4 processor runs ont he new RISC archetecture which no Intel or AMD has been able to match (yet, look @ the clawhammer) The dual G4 pumps out a whopping 16 gigaFLOPS (Floating Point Operations Per Second) versus the dual AMD or Intel's 6 or 7. Coupled with the better flat panel monitor technology and better sense on the higher end of the industry Apple suprisngly made the best choice for OSX, as the Server OS is quite powerful and is able to run any UNIX installed software I choose so running and maintaining the server is a breeze, I would love to see a Windows server try to outrun it. One other thing, this was a HLCoders list, not a mac and PC pissing contest, get back to HL kthx =p -iggy - Original Message - From: Chris Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC bah, I have nothing better to do. Macs are good at what they do: drool proof systems, graphics design, and matching the curtains. PCs are true general purpose machines. anything you can do with a mac you can do with a PC, the inverse is not true. on Ooperating systems: Linux does what it does well (server, file recovery, being 1337, being stable.) Windows is good with games, but is rather buggy for a 100%, mission critical, 'net connected server. Mac OS is good at looking pretty, and with BSD, you can actualy do stuff. An apple salesperson showed off a dual g4 box with osX (before it came out to the masses). I was like: yeah, but does it have a command line. he popped open a term, and said: it has all of the basic *nix commands, but they're in slightly diferent locations. macOS is promising, let's put it that way. (there have been successes in making an Xfree compatibility layer with osX, meaning X programs can run on aqua or cocoa or whatever it's called.) - Original Message - From: Daniel Koppes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC I'll stick with PC + Windows 2000... its pretty much 100% stable *hides from the Linux fanboys* For sure, lol. I love Mac design !!! I dream of a mix-computer mac hardware + x86 software On 10 Oct 2002 at 23:46, Daniel Koppes wrote: Um. Please tell me you're kidding. Please Okso it's a fruit ^^ I often eat apple-pies, can I eat PC-pies too ? On 10 Oct 2002 at 22:31, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Uh oh. See www.apple.com _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob le Pointu Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC What is a mac ? (;) On 10 Oct 2002 at 19:29, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Some love them and some hate them. I personally have never seen a program crash on a mac, but everybody has seen different things so you live with what you want and be happy with it and I'll do the same. _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes, it's available on mac
RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
Wow. Didn't realize people like this still existed. any idiot with a stopwatch would find that a new Mac pitted against a new PC would result in the Mac completing the operation in approximately 63% of the time it took the PC to complete. their processors can do a lot of gigaflops and sure as HELL know how to use it. If you think that Windows can manage a processor (or memory for that matter), then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Sorry, but it's time you faced the cold, hard truth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders-admin;list.valvesoftware.com]On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] what was the point of this little rant of yours? everything you mention is also possible on the PC... the PC manufacturers simply don't force you to use it. besides, any idiot with a stopwatch can see that a lower-end PC runs faster than a brand new high-end mac, sure maybe their processers can do a lot of gigaflops but they sure don't use them wisely. -av Aaron Kalin wrote: Cocoa and Darwin... OSX is a great OS and I would love to see a PC port as it is UNIX based, the Window system is a openGL rendering, not a GDI rendering (direct draw) which puts less strain on the processor for desktop rendering and allows for some sleeker graphics. Windows XP tried to do this but didd'nt quite make it. Yes you CAN do things on a Mac that are normally done on a PC, the meulators for windows work fine, I have been able to run HL and other games on it just fine along with my other essential software. No, Apple doesnt price gouge, actually the higher prices comes from their choice of product, they went higher end with this such as firewire which was invented before USB however the expense of it quickly made USB catch in the PC world, yet it never was anywhere close to the speed of firewire and is still today the method of choice for all DV editors today. Don't forget they went straight into SCSI instead of the cheaper PC EIDE drives. Also the mac's g4 processor runs ont he new RISC archetecture which no Intel or AMD has been able to match (yet, look @ the clawhammer) The dual G4 pumps out a whopping 16 gigaFLOPS (Floating Point Operations Per Second) versus the dual AMD or Intel's 6 or 7. Coupled with the better flat panel monitor technology and better sense on the higher end of the industry Apple suprisngly made the best choice for OSX, as the Server OS is quite powerful and is able to run any UNIX installed software I choose so running and maintaining the server is a breeze, I would love to see a Windows server try to outrun it. One other thing, this was a HLCoders list, not a mac and PC pissing contest, get back to HL kthx =p -iggy - Original Message - From: Chris Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC bah, I have nothing better to do. Macs are good at what they do: drool proof systems, graphics design, and matching the curtains. PCs are true general purpose machines. anything you can do with a mac you can do with a PC, the inverse is not true. on Ooperating systems: Linux does what it does well (server, file recovery, being 1337, being stable.) Windows is good with games, but is rather buggy for a 100%, mission critical, 'net connected server. Mac OS is good at looking pretty, and with BSD, you can actualy do stuff. An apple salesperson showed off a dual g4 box with osX (before it came out to the masses). I was like: yeah, but does it have a command line. he popped open a term, and said: it has all of the basic *nix commands, but they're in slightly diferent locations. macOS is promising, let's put it that way. (there have been successes in making an Xfree compatibility layer with osX, meaning X programs can run on aqua or cocoa or whatever it's called.) - Original Message - From: Daniel Koppes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC I'll stick with PC + Windows 2000... its pretty much 100% stable *hides from the Linux fanboys* For sure, lol. I love Mac design !!! I dream of a mix-computer mac hardware + x86 software On 10 Oct 2002 at 23:46, Daniel Koppes wrote: Um. Please tell me you're kidding. Please Okso it's a fruit ^^ I often eat apple-pies, can I eat PC-pies too ? On 10 Oct 2002 at 22:31, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Uh oh. See www.apple.com _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob le Pointu Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC What
RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
Can you move this off the list please? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders-admin;list.valvesoftware.com]On Behalf Of sol.greyfox Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 2:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC Wow. Didn't realize people like this still existed. any idiot with a stopwatch would find that a new Mac pitted against a new PC would result in the Mac completing the operation in approximately 63% of the time it took the PC to complete. their processors can do a lot of gigaflops and sure as HELL know how to use it. If you think that Windows can manage a processor (or memory for that matter), then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Sorry, but it's time you faced the cold, hard truth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders-admin;list.valvesoftware.com]On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] what was the point of this little rant of yours? everything you mention is also possible on the PC... the PC manufacturers simply don't force you to use it. besides, any idiot with a stopwatch can see that a lower-end PC runs faster than a brand new high-end mac, sure maybe their processers can do a lot of gigaflops but they sure don't use them wisely. -av Aaron Kalin wrote: Cocoa and Darwin... OSX is a great OS and I would love to see a PC port as it is UNIX based, the Window system is a openGL rendering, not a GDI rendering (direct draw) which puts less strain on the processor for desktop rendering and allows for some sleeker graphics. Windows XP tried to do this but didd'nt quite make it. Yes you CAN do things on a Mac that are normally done on a PC, the meulators for windows work fine, I have been able to run HL and other games on it just fine along with my other essential software. No, Apple doesnt price gouge, actually the higher prices comes from their choice of product, they went higher end with this such as firewire which was invented before USB however the expense of it quickly made USB catch in the PC world, yet it never was anywhere close to the speed of firewire and is still today the method of choice for all DV editors today. Don't forget they went straight into SCSI instead of the cheaper PC EIDE drives. Also the mac's g4 processor runs ont he new RISC archetecture which no Intel or AMD has been able to match (yet, look @ the clawhammer) The dual G4 pumps out a whopping 16 gigaFLOPS (Floating Point Operations Per Second) versus the dual AMD or Intel's 6 or 7. Coupled with the better flat panel monitor technology and better sense on the higher end of the industry Apple suprisngly made the best choice for OSX, as the Server OS is quite powerful and is able to run any UNIX installed software I choose so running and maintaining the server is a breeze, I would love to see a Windows server try to outrun it. One other thing, this was a HLCoders list, not a mac and PC pissing contest, get back to HL kthx =p -iggy - Original Message - From: Chris Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC bah, I have nothing better to do. Macs are good at what they do: drool proof systems, graphics design, and matching the curtains. PCs are true general purpose machines. anything you can do with a mac you can do with a PC, the inverse is not true. on Ooperating systems: Linux does what it does well (server, file recovery, being 1337, being stable.) Windows is good with games, but is rather buggy for a 100%, mission critical, 'net connected server. Mac OS is good at looking pretty, and with BSD, you can actualy do stuff. An apple salesperson showed off a dual g4 box with osX (before it came out to the masses). I was like: yeah, but does it have a command line. he popped open a term, and said: it has all of the basic *nix commands, but they're in slightly diferent locations. macOS is promising, let's put it that way. (there have been successes in making an Xfree compatibility layer with osX, meaning X programs can run on aqua or cocoa or whatever it's called.) - Original Message - From: Daniel Koppes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC I'll stick with PC + Windows 2000... its pretty much 100% stable *hides from the Linux fanboys* For sure, lol. I love Mac design !!! I dream of a mix-computer mac hardware + x86 software On 10 Oct 2002 at 23:46, Daniel Koppes wrote: Um. Please tell me you're kidding. Please Okso it's a fruit ^^ I often eat apple-pies, can I eat PC-pies too ? On 10 Oct 2002 at 22:31, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Uh oh. See www.apple.com _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat
Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
Would be appreciated. I mean, MAC, PC, MAC, PC.. Who gives a damn? Use whatever YOU feel gives the best performance for YOUR applications and be done with it. :) Obviously nobody is going to be converted due to the opinions expressed on this list, soo... Can we move on? Dont the arrays look lovely today? And that pointer over there, isn't it sweet? Uhoh, here comes a flock of variables, I better get going! *grins -Smurf - Original Message - From: Chris Bokitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC Can you move this off the list please? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders-admin;list.valvesoftware.com]On Behalf Of sol.greyfox Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 2:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC Wow. Didn't realize people like this still existed. any idiot with a stopwatch would find that a new Mac pitted against a new PC would result in the Mac completing the operation in approximately 63% of the time it took the PC to complete. their processors can do a lot of gigaflops and sure as HELL know how to use it. If you think that Windows can manage a processor (or memory for that matter), then you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Sorry, but it's time you faced the cold, hard truth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders-admin;list.valvesoftware.com]On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] what was the point of this little rant of yours? everything you mention is also possible on the PC... the PC manufacturers simply don't force you to use it. besides, any idiot with a stopwatch can see that a lower-end PC runs faster than a brand new high-end mac, sure maybe their processers can do a lot of gigaflops but they sure don't use them wisely. -av Aaron Kalin wrote: Cocoa and Darwin... OSX is a great OS and I would love to see a PC port as it is UNIX based, the Window system is a openGL rendering, not a GDI rendering (direct draw) which puts less strain on the processor for desktop rendering and allows for some sleeker graphics. Windows XP tried to do this but didd'nt quite make it. Yes you CAN do things on a Mac that are normally done on a PC, the meulators for windows work fine, I have been able to run HL and other games on it just fine along with my other essential software. No, Apple doesnt price gouge, actually the higher prices comes from their choice of product, they went higher end with this such as firewire which was invented before USB however the expense of it quickly made USB catch in the PC world, yet it never was anywhere close to the speed of firewire and is still today the method of choice for all DV editors today. Don't forget they went straight into SCSI instead of the cheaper PC EIDE drives. Also the mac's g4 processor runs ont he new RISC archetecture which no Intel or AMD has been able to match (yet, look @ the clawhammer) The dual G4 pumps out a whopping 16 gigaFLOPS (Floating Point Operations Per Second) versus the dual AMD or Intel's 6 or 7. Coupled with the better flat panel monitor technology and better sense on the higher end of the industry Apple suprisngly made the best choice for OSX, as the Server OS is quite powerful and is able to run any UNIX installed software I choose so running and maintaining the server is a breeze, I would love to see a Windows server try to outrun it. One other thing, this was a HLCoders list, not a mac and PC pissing contest, get back to HL kthx =p -iggy - Original Message - From: Chris Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC bah, I have nothing better to do. Macs are good at what they do: drool proof systems, graphics design, and matching the curtains. PCs are true general purpose machines. anything you can do with a mac you can do with a PC, the inverse is not true. on Ooperating systems: Linux does what it does well (server, file recovery, being 1337, being stable.) Windows is good with games, but is rather buggy for a 100%, mission critical, 'net connected server. Mac OS is good at looking pretty, and with BSD, you can actualy do stuff. An apple salesperson showed off a dual g4 box with osX (before it came out to the masses). I was like: yeah, but does it have a command line. he popped open a term, and said: it has all of the basic *nix commands, but they're in slightly diferent locations. macOS is promising, let's put it that way. (there have been successes in making an Xfree compatibility layer with osX, meaning X programs can run on aqua or cocoa or whatever it's called.) - Original
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What is a mac ? (;) On 10 Oct 2002 at 19:29, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Some love them and some hate them. I personally have never seen a program crash on a mac, but everybody has seen different things so you live with what you want and be happy with it and I'll do the same. _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes, it's available on mac, but it really really sucks on the mac. it's slow, it's buggy, it crashes a lot oh, wait, every piece of software on the mac does that :) -av Philip (Fiber) wrote: IE on mac is so horrible... i suggest you get Omniweb, www.omnigroup.com its buggy and doesnt work very well but at least it works better than IE on mac. [Phil] IE is horrible on the PC as well, so I use Mozilla which is the best on PC and Mac (it is available on Mac right?). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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Uh oh. See www.apple.com _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob le Pointu Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC What is a mac ? (;) On 10 Oct 2002 at 19:29, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Some love them and some hate them. I personally have never seen a program crash on a mac, but everybody has seen different things so you live with what you want and be happy with it and I'll do the same. _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes, it's available on mac, but it really really sucks on the mac. it's slow, it's buggy, it crashes a lot oh, wait, every piece of software on the mac does that :) -av Philip (Fiber) wrote: IE on mac is so horrible... i suggest you get Omniweb, www.omnigroup.com its buggy and doesnt work very well but at least it works better than IE on mac. [Phil] IE is horrible on the PC as well, so I use Mozilla which is the best on PC and Mac (it is available on Mac right?). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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Okso it's a fruit ^^ I often eat apple-pies, can I eat PC-pies too ? On 10 Oct 2002 at 22:31, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Uh oh. See www.apple.com _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob le Pointu Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC What is a mac ? (;) On 10 Oct 2002 at 19:29, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Some love them and some hate them. I personally have never seen a program crash on a mac, but everybody has seen different things so you live with what you want and be happy with it and I'll do the same. _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes, it's available on mac, but it really really sucks on the mac. it's slow, it's buggy, it crashes a lot oh, wait, every piece of software on the mac does that :) -av Philip (Fiber) wrote: IE on mac is so horrible... i suggest you get Omniweb, www.omnigroup.com its buggy and doesnt work very well but at least it works better than IE on mac. [Phil] IE is horrible on the PC as well, so I use Mozilla which is the best on PC and Mac (it is available on Mac right?). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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For sure, lol. I love Mac design !!! I dream of a mix-computer mac hardware + x86 software On 10 Oct 2002 at 23:46, Daniel Koppes wrote: Um. Please tell me you're kidding. Please Okso it's a fruit ^^ I often eat apple-pies, can I eat PC-pies too ? On 10 Oct 2002 at 22:31, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Uh oh. See www.apple.com _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob le Pointu Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC What is a mac ? (;) On 10 Oct 2002 at 19:29, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Some love them and some hate them. I personally have never seen a program crash on a mac, but everybody has seen different things so you live with what you want and be happy with it and I'll do the same. _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes, it's available on mac, but it really really sucks on the mac. it's slow, it's buggy, it crashes a lot oh, wait, every piece of software on the mac does that :) -av Philip (Fiber) wrote: IE on mac is so horrible... i suggest you get Omniweb, www.omnigroup.com its buggy and doesnt work very well but at least it works better than IE on mac. [Phil] IE is horrible on the PC as well, so I use Mozilla which is the best on PC and Mac (it is available on Mac right?). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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I'll stick with PC + Windows 2000... its pretty much 100% stable *hides from the Linux fanboys* For sure, lol. I love Mac design !!! I dream of a mix-computer mac hardware + x86 software On 10 Oct 2002 at 23:46, Daniel Koppes wrote: Um. Please tell me you're kidding. Please Okso it's a fruit ^^ I often eat apple-pies, can I eat PC-pies too ? On 10 Oct 2002 at 22:31, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Uh oh. See www.apple.com _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob le Pointu Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC What is a mac ? (;) On 10 Oct 2002 at 19:29, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Some love them and some hate them. I personally have never seen a program crash on a mac, but everybody has seen different things so you live with what you want and be happy with it and I'll do the same. _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes, it's available on mac, but it really really sucks on the mac. it's slow, it's buggy, it crashes a lot oh, wait, every piece of software on the mac does that :) -av Philip (Fiber) wrote: IE on mac is so horrible... i suggest you get Omniweb, www.omnigroup.com its buggy and doesnt work very well but at least it works better than IE on mac. [Phil] IE is horrible on the PC as well, so I use Mozilla which is the best on PC and Mac (it is available on Mac right?). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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bah, I have nothing better to do. Macs are good at what they do: drool proof systems, graphics design, and matching the curtains. PCs are true general purpose machines. anything you can do with a mac you can do with a PC, the inverse is not true. on Ooperating systems: Linux does what it does well (server, file recovery, being 1337, being stable.) Windows is good with games, but is rather buggy for a 100%, mission critical, 'net connected server. Mac OS is good at looking pretty, and with BSD, you can actualy do stuff. An apple salesperson showed off a dual g4 box with osX (before it came out to the masses). I was like: yeah, but does it have a command line. he popped open a term, and said: it has all of the basic *nix commands, but they're in slightly diferent locations. macOS is promising, let's put it that way. (there have been successes in making an Xfree compatibility layer with osX, meaning X programs can run on aqua or cocoa or whatever it's called.) - Original Message - From: Daniel Koppes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC I'll stick with PC + Windows 2000... its pretty much 100% stable *hides from the Linux fanboys* For sure, lol. I love Mac design !!! I dream of a mix-computer mac hardware + x86 software On 10 Oct 2002 at 23:46, Daniel Koppes wrote: Um. Please tell me you're kidding. Please Okso it's a fruit ^^ I often eat apple-pies, can I eat PC-pies too ? On 10 Oct 2002 at 22:31, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Uh oh. See www.apple.com _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob le Pointu Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC What is a mac ? (;) On 10 Oct 2002 at 19:29, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Some love them and some hate them. I personally have never seen a program crash on a mac, but everybody has seen different things so you live with what you want and be happy with it and I'll do the same. _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes, it's available on mac, but it really really sucks on the mac. it's slow, it's buggy, it crashes a lot oh, wait, every piece of software on the mac does that :) -av Philip (Fiber) wrote: IE on mac is so horrible... i suggest you get Omniweb, www.omnigroup.com its buggy and doesnt work very well but at least it works better than IE on mac. [Phil] IE is horrible on the PC as well, so I use Mozilla which is the best on PC and Mac (it is available on Mac right?). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Please forgive my ignorance if this be the case.but. What was this list for again.? [ROD]--RayneOfDeath-- Philip (Fiber) wrote:Some love them and some hate them. I personally have never seen a program crash on a mac, but everybody has seen different things so you live with what you want and be happy with it and I'll do the same. _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes, it's available on mac, but it really really sucks on the mac. it's slow, it's buggy, it crashes a lot oh, wait, every piece of software on the mac does that :) -av Philip (Fiber) wrote: IE on mac is so horrible... i suggest you get Omniweb, www.omnigroup.com its buggy and doesnt work very well but at least it works better than IE on mac. [Phil] IE is horrible on the PC as well, so I use Mozilla which is the best on PC and Mac (it is available on Mac right?). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders And always remember that it is better to be dead and cool, then alive and uncool. - Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, more faith.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
And that BSD compatibility is also helping them port OSX over to the x86 platform. _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Foss Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 2:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC bah, I have nothing better to do. Macs are good at what they do: drool proof systems, graphics design, and matching the curtains. PCs are true general purpose machines. anything you can do with a mac you can do with a PC, the inverse is not true. on Ooperating systems: Linux does what it does well (server, file recovery, being 1337, being stable.) Windows is good with games, but is rather buggy for a 100%, mission critical, 'net connected server. Mac OS is good at looking pretty, and with BSD, you can actualy do stuff. An apple salesperson showed off a dual g4 box with osX (before it came out to the masses). I was like: yeah, but does it have a command line. he popped open a term, and said: it has all of the basic *nix commands, but they're in slightly diferent locations. macOS is promising, let's put it that way. (there have been successes in making an Xfree compatibility layer with osX, meaning X programs can run on aqua or cocoa or whatever it's called.) - Original Message - From: Daniel Koppes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC I'll stick with PC + Windows 2000... its pretty much 100% stable *hides from the Linux fanboys* For sure, lol. I love Mac design !!! I dream of a mix-computer mac hardware + x86 software On 10 Oct 2002 at 23:46, Daniel Koppes wrote: Um. Please tell me you're kidding. Please Okso it's a fruit ^^ I often eat apple-pies, can I eat PC-pies too ? On 10 Oct 2002 at 22:31, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Uh oh. See www.apple.com _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob le Pointu Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC What is a mac ? (;) On 10 Oct 2002 at 19:29, Philip (Fiber) wrote: Some love them and some hate them. I personally have never seen a program crash on a mac, but everybody has seen different things so you live with what you want and be happy with it and I'll do the same. _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes, it's available on mac, but it really really sucks on the mac. it's slow, it's buggy, it crashes a lot oh, wait, every piece of software on the mac does that :) -av Philip (Fiber) wrote: IE on mac is so horrible... i suggest you get Omniweb, www.omnigroup.com its buggy and doesnt work very well but at least it works better than IE on mac. [Phil] IE is horrible on the PC as well, so I use Mozilla which is the best on PC and Mac (it is available on Mac right?). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
- Original Message - From: Avatar-X [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] -every piece of software ever made generally works better on the PC than on the mac. internet explorer is miles better on the PC, it's total shit on the mac. there are no good programming tools on the mac. there are no good GAMES on the mac. without getting too drawn into this, bits of the Mac version of IE are for standard complient than the Windows version of IE, so I wouldnt have said IE on the PC is miles better :) As for the rest, i cant comment, i dont have a Mac.. /me misses his STe at times ;( ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] the IE on mac is basically Netscape with a few features. it doesnt support anything fancy that the PC IE supports, like text ranges, or activeX, or whatever. -av Phantom wrote: - Original Message - From: Avatar-X [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] -every piece of software ever made generally works better on the PC than on the mac. internet explorer is miles better on the PC, it's total shit on the mac. there are no good programming tools on the mac. there are no good GAMES on the mac. without getting too drawn into this, bits of the Mac version of IE are for standard complient than the Windows version of IE, so I wouldnt have said IE on the PC is miles better :) As for the rest, i cant comment, i dont have a Mac.. /me misses his STe at times ;( ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] IE on mac is so horrible... i suggest you get Omniweb, www.omnigroup.com its buggy and doesnt work very well but at least it works better than IE on mac. but it's a general statement of most mac software: buggy, missing features from PC counterpart, and generally unfinished and unpolished. the fact that they throw a fancy look on it with drop shadows doesnt change how it works -av Phantom wrote: - Original Message - From: Avatar-X [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] the IE on mac is basically Netscape with a few features. it doesnt support anything fancy that the PC IE supports, like text ranges, or activeX, or whatever. I dunno about you, but I'd prefer a browser which conformed PROPERLY to all the HTML4.0, CSS1 (IE6 only does core CSS1) and DOM1 standards before all the flashy active-screawwithyasystemasM$feellikeit-X and fancy scripting stuff which I'm betting 99% of websites dont use anyways, and for me this is NN7 or Mozilla.. heck, I'd even like PNG support with alpha channel first please, as that can create some lovely effects :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
IE on mac is so horrible... i suggest you get Omniweb, www.omnigroup.com its buggy and doesnt work very well but at least it works better than IE on mac. [Phil] IE is horrible on the PC as well, so I use Mozilla which is the best on PC and Mac (it is available on Mac right?). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes, it's available on mac, but it really really sucks on the mac. it's slow, it's buggy, it crashes a lot oh, wait, every piece of software on the mac does that :) -av Philip (Fiber) wrote: IE on mac is so horrible... i suggest you get Omniweb, www.omnigroup.com its buggy and doesnt work very well but at least it works better than IE on mac. [Phil] IE is horrible on the PC as well, so I use Mozilla which is the best on PC and Mac (it is available on Mac right?). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
