Re: [hlds] How often can we query uptodate check?

[Alexander Corn]

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Dr. McKay
www.doctormckay.com


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Mohammed Khalik  wrote:

> What plugin do you use to check?
> Can you provide a link please?
>
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> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 19:33:11 -0400
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlds] How often can we query uptodate check?
>
>
> I have two systems checking every 30 seconds.
>
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> Dr. McKay
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> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:15 PM, big john  wrote:
>
> How often is it acceptable to query
> http://api.steampowered.com/ISteamApps/UpToDateCheck/v0001 without
> getting firewalled off from steam servers? I have about 10 servers checking
> every hour but I would like to check every 30 min.
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Re: [hlds] TF2 Votekick evasion

[Nicholas Hastings]

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William Pickard 
Saturday, July 12, 2014 3:51 PM
Only problem, Kigen made it hard for people who don't know smac too
well to find it...


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Re: [hlds] TF2 Votekick evasion

[William Pickard]

Only problem, Kigen made it hard for people who don't know smac too
well to find it...

> From: Mike Vail 
> To: d...@forlix.org, Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list 
> 
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:00:15 -0700
> Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Votekick evasion
> Yet another reason why I will NEVER play on Valve's unprotected stock 
> servers. Thousands of cheaters exploit them and it only takes one to ruin the 
> entire game for everyone on the server. The irony of this is Valve wants new 
> players to have a vanilla experience by directing them to their servers 
> first. I guess that includes experiencing the havok cheaters create on their 
> servers because they've done very little to prevent it. I absolutely love 
> Valve's games, but the cheating is just out of control. Thank God for people 
> like Kigen who did something to deal with these people.
>
>
> Dominik Friedrichs  wrote:
>
> Apparently it is still/again possible to circumvent the TF2 built in
> kick vote on the Valve servers (which should ban people AFAIK).
>
> Just seen on:
> Valve Attack / Defense Server (srcds147 #17)
> 185.25.181.230:27031
>
> Player
> #   3317 "let the conga take over" STEAM_0:1:91325986 52:07  4160
>
> kept getting vote-kicked for heavy cheating but just went into spectator
> for a brief period each time and as you can see from the status-excerpt
> above he didnt really disconnect, even through multiple vote-kicks,
> otherwise the time connected could hardly have reached 52 mins.

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Re: [hlds] TF2 Votekick evasion

[Weasels Lair]

SMAC still needs updating to deal with issues raised with the "Love and
War" update.


On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Kevin  wrote:

>  SMAC
>
>
> On 7/12/2014 2:23 PM, Alexander Z wrote:
>
> Let's face it, the way VAC currently works, there's no effective way of
> dealing with cheaters in a F2P game like TF2, stock servers or not.
>
>
>  On 12 July 2014 19:40, ics  wrote:
>
>> Majority of the players seem to be doing there just fine, as we have the
>> more empty servers. So i guess we are deprecated.
>>
>> -ics
>>
>> Mike Vail kirjoitti:
>>
>>  Yet another reason why I will NEVER play on Valve's unprotected stock
>>> servers. Thousands of cheaters exploit them and it only takes one to ruin
>>> the entire game for everyone on the server. The irony of this is Valve
>>> wants new players to have a vanilla experience by directing them to their
>>> servers first. I guess that includes experiencing the havok cheaters create
>>> on their servers because they've done very little to prevent it. I
>>> absolutely love Valve's games, but the cheating is just out of control.
>>> Thank God for people like Kigen who did something to deal with these people.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dominik Friedrichs  wrote:
>>>
>>> Apparently it is still/again possible to circumvent the TF2 built in
>>> kick vote on the Valve servers (which should ban people AFAIK).
>>>
>>> Just seen on:
>>> Valve Attack / Defense Server (srcds147 #17)
>>> 185.25.181.230:27031
>>>
>>> Player
>>> #   3317 "let the conga take over" STEAM_0:1:91325986 52:07 4160
>>>
>>> kept getting vote-kicked for heavy cheating but just went into spectator
>>> for a brief period each time and as you can see from the status-excerpt
>>> above he didnt really disconnect, even through multiple vote-kicks,
>>> otherwise the time connected could hardly have reached 52 mins.
>>>
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Re: [hlds] TF2 Votekick evasion

[E. Olsen]

I'd have to agree with that point.

I remember when Valve told server operators that TF2 was going F2P, they
were asked what their plan was to deal with serial hackers/cheaters who
make new account after new account, and they had said they had a "plan" for
dealing with that, but here were are a few years later, and we routinely
have problem players who make dozens of new accounts to come back and grief
servers/cheat (and no, IP banning doesn't work - these guys have dynamic IP
addresses).

I'm still optimistic that Valve is simply waiting to revert quickplay to
treat all servers equally again until they have some kind of system in
place to quickly identify the kind of servers that made the change
necessary in the first place, but with 6 months into this change already, I
wonder if they'll be too late to save the "good" communities that are
slowly being bled for new players.




On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Alexander Z  wrote:

> Let's face it, the way VAC currently works, there's no effective way of
> dealing with cheaters in a F2P game like TF2, stock servers or not.
>
>
> On 12 July 2014 19:40, ics  wrote:
>
>> Majority of the players seem to be doing there just fine, as we have the
>> more empty servers. So i guess we are deprecated.
>>
>> -ics
>>
>> Mike Vail kirjoitti:
>>
>>  Yet another reason why I will NEVER play on Valve's unprotected stock
>>> servers. Thousands of cheaters exploit them and it only takes one to ruin
>>> the entire game for everyone on the server. The irony of this is Valve
>>> wants new players to have a vanilla experience by directing them to their
>>> servers first. I guess that includes experiencing the havok cheaters create
>>> on their servers because they've done very little to prevent it. I
>>> absolutely love Valve's games, but the cheating is just out of control.
>>> Thank God for people like Kigen who did something to deal with these people.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dominik Friedrichs  wrote:
>>>
>>> Apparently it is still/again possible to circumvent the TF2 built in
>>> kick vote on the Valve servers (which should ban people AFAIK).
>>>
>>> Just seen on:
>>> Valve Attack / Defense Server (srcds147 #17)
>>> 185.25.181.230:27031
>>>
>>> Player
>>> #   3317 "let the conga take over" STEAM_0:1:91325986 52:07 4160
>>>
>>> kept getting vote-kicked for heavy cheating but just went into spectator
>>> for a brief period each time and as you can see from the status-excerpt
>>> above he didnt really disconnect, even through multiple vote-kicks,
>>> otherwise the time connected could hardly have reached 52 mins.
>>>
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Re: [hlds] TF2 Votekick evasion

[Kevin]

SMAC

On 7/12/2014 2:23 PM, Alexander Z wrote:
Let's face it, the way VAC currently works, there's no effective way 
of dealing with cheaters in a F2P game like TF2, stock servers or not.



On 12 July 2014 19:40, ics > wrote:


Majority of the players seem to be doing there just fine, as we
have the more empty servers. So i guess we are deprecated.

-ics

Mike Vail kirjoitti:

Yet another reason why I will NEVER play on Valve's
unprotected stock servers. Thousands of cheaters exploit them
and it only takes one to ruin the entire game for everyone on
the server. The irony of this is Valve wants new players to
have a vanilla experience by directing them to their servers
first. I guess that includes experiencing the havok cheaters
create on their servers because they've done very little to
prevent it. I absolutely love Valve's games, but the cheating
is just out of control. Thank God for people like Kigen who
did something to deal with these people.


Dominik Friedrichs mailto:d...@forlix.org>> wrote:

Apparently it is still/again possible to circumvent the TF2
built in
kick vote on the Valve servers (which should ban people AFAIK).

Just seen on:
Valve Attack / Defense Server (srcds147 #17)
185.25.181.230:27031 

Player
#   3317 "let the conga take over" STEAM_0:1:91325986 52
:07 4160

kept getting vote-kicked for heavy cheating but just went into
spectator
for a brief period each time and as you can see from the
status-excerpt
above he didnt really disconnect, even through multiple
vote-kicks,
otherwise the time connected could hardly have reached 52 mins.


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Re: [hlds] TF2 Votekick evasion

[Alexander Z]

Let's face it, the way VAC currently works, there's no effective way of
dealing with cheaters in a F2P game like TF2, stock servers or not.


On 12 July 2014 19:40, ics  wrote:

> Majority of the players seem to be doing there just fine, as we have the
> more empty servers. So i guess we are deprecated.
>
> -ics
>
> Mike Vail kirjoitti:
>
>  Yet another reason why I will NEVER play on Valve's unprotected stock
>> servers. Thousands of cheaters exploit them and it only takes one to ruin
>> the entire game for everyone on the server. The irony of this is Valve
>> wants new players to have a vanilla experience by directing them to their
>> servers first. I guess that includes experiencing the havok cheaters create
>> on their servers because they've done very little to prevent it. I
>> absolutely love Valve's games, but the cheating is just out of control.
>> Thank God for people like Kigen who did something to deal with these people.
>>
>>
>> Dominik Friedrichs  wrote:
>>
>> Apparently it is still/again possible to circumvent the TF2 built in
>> kick vote on the Valve servers (which should ban people AFAIK).
>>
>> Just seen on:
>> Valve Attack / Defense Server (srcds147 #17)
>> 185.25.181.230:27031
>>
>> Player
>> #   3317 "let the conga take over" STEAM_0:1:91325986 52:07 4160
>>
>> kept getting vote-kicked for heavy cheating but just went into spectator
>> for a brief period each time and as you can see from the status-excerpt
>> above he didnt really disconnect, even through multiple vote-kicks,
>> otherwise the time connected could hardly have reached 52 mins.
>>
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Re: [hlds] TF2 Votekick evasion

[ics]

Majority of the players seem to be doing there just fine, as we have the 
more empty servers. So i guess we are deprecated.


-ics

Mike Vail kirjoitti:
Yet another reason why I will NEVER play on Valve's unprotected stock 
servers. Thousands of cheaters exploit them and it only takes one to 
ruin the entire game for everyone on the server. The irony of this is 
Valve wants new players to have a vanilla experience by directing them 
to their servers first. I guess that includes experiencing the havok 
cheaters create on their servers because they've done very little to 
prevent it. I absolutely love Valve's games, but the cheating is just 
out of control. Thank God for people like Kigen who did something to 
deal with these people.



Dominik Friedrichs  wrote:

Apparently it is still/again possible to circumvent the TF2 built in
kick vote on the Valve servers (which should ban people AFAIK).

Just seen on:
Valve Attack / Defense Server (srcds147 #17)
185.25.181.230:27031

Player
#   3317 "let the conga take over" STEAM_0:1:91325986 52:07 4160

kept getting vote-kicked for heavy cheating but just went into spectator
for a brief period each time and as you can see from the status-excerpt
above he didnt really disconnect, even through multiple vote-kicks,
otherwise the time connected could hardly have reached 52 mins.


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Re: [hlds] TF2 Votekick evasion

[Mike Vail]

Yet another reason why I will NEVER play on Valve's unprotected stock servers. 
Thousands of cheaters exploit them and it only takes one to ruin the entire 
game for everyone on the server. The irony of this is Valve wants new players 
to have a vanilla experience by directing them to their servers first. I guess 
that includes experiencing the havok cheaters create on their servers because 
they've done very little to prevent it. I absolutely love Valve's games, but 
the cheating is just out of control. Thank God for people like Kigen who did 
something to deal with these people.

Dominik Friedrichs  wrote:

>Apparently it is still/again possible to circumvent the TF2 built in 
>kick vote on the Valve servers (which should ban people AFAIK).
>
>Just seen on:
>Valve Attack / Defense Server (srcds147 #17)
>185.25.181.230:27031
>
>Player
>#   3317 "let the conga take over" STEAM_0:1:91325986 52:07  4160
>
>kept getting vote-kicked for heavy cheating but just went into spectator 
>for a brief period each time and as you can see from the status-excerpt 
>above he didnt really disconnect, even through multiple vote-kicks, 
>otherwise the time connected could hardly have reached 52 mins.
>
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[hlds] TF2 Votekick evasion

[Dominik Friedrichs]

Apparently it is still/again possible to circumvent the TF2 built in 
kick vote on the Valve servers (which should ban people AFAIK).


Just seen on:
Valve Attack / Defense Server (srcds147 #17)
185.25.181.230:27031

Player
#   3317 "let the conga take over" STEAM_0:1:91325986 52:07  4160

kept getting vote-kicked for heavy cheating but just went into spectator 
for a brief period each time and as you can see from the status-excerpt 
above he didnt really disconnect, even through multiple vote-kicks, 
otherwise the time connected could hardly have reached 52 mins.



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