Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-03 Thread Wiktor Deresz
Cybercafé  account have every time other SteamID taken from Cybercafé
SteamID pool, so its quite hard to ban them, but you can ban IP of
that Cybercafé.

2008/6/3 Ronny Schedel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 How do you detect Cafe accounts? Is there some special format of Steam ID?
 How do you ban these people? I have heard it's not possible to ban Cafe
 accounts.



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 They won't get VAC banned because they are probably using café accounts
 anyway.

 Hence why I have been outright deny presumed café accounts access to my
 servers.

 I have yet to see or hear about this happening on my servers.

 - voogru.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:01 PM
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

 They could lessen the blow of VAC Bans with some Rick Astley, is all I'm
 saying.

 - Neph

 On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Timothy L Havener
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is that the steam version of being Rickrolled? ;-)

 Nephyrin Zey wrote:
 This is definitely achievable through hacks, so that's where my money
 is for now. Hopefully they get vacrolled soon.

 - Neph

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-03 Thread Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald
I've made a wild guess to what I believe to be the cybercafé account ranges.

Note: To retrieve account ids from a STEAM ID, see
http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=60899

Account IDS between 1510 and 1515
Account IDS between 1550 and 1555

However, not all accounts that fall into this range are café accounts, but
all café accounts appear to be in this range. Out of nearly 150,000 players
in my database I had a few regulars that fell into this ID range, the rest
of the players who fell into this range were flagged for speed hacking or
had lamer looking names or were in myg0t, and various other scumbag groups.
I log all rejected connections, and I get about 9-10 rejections a day per
server. 

Most importantly, most (90%) players who I flagged for cheating and most
players who were banned for cheating, had ID's in this range.

To resolve the problem with losing any regulars, my server keeps data on
every player who ever connected to my server, so I just made it reject
connections from unknown ids in this range.

The amount of cheaters dropped considerably since I've implemented this. I
was getting about 2-3 speed hackers a day.

I might take it off though so my admins can put our new admin rage cheater
commands to use, perhaps only using it when there are no admins on the
server.

To valve, it makes sense for café accounts to be immune to VAC bans, it
would be unfair for some jerkoff to go into a café, install hacks, and get
the café banned from 99% of servers, but there is massive abuse of the
system to where people who do not operate cafés are using the accounts as
unlimited cheat accounts.

I personally think that café account steamids should be a single ID per
steam café, immune to VAC bans, but if they get banned from a server, they
need to take it up with the server admin, another thing that would be a step
in the right direction would be limiting steam café accounts to 1 single
static IP. Any legitimate internet café has a business line which has a
static IP.

Until then, I will attempt to keep them off my server by detecting trends in
their ID ranges.

- voogru.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronny Schedel
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:22 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

How do you detect Cafe accounts? Is there some special format of Steam ID? 
How do you ban these people? I have heard it's not possible to ban Cafe 
accounts.



- Original Message - 
From: Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' 
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack


They won't get VAC banned because they are probably using café accounts
anyway.

Hence why I have been outright deny presumed café accounts access to my
servers.

I have yet to see or hear about this happening on my servers.

- voogru.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:01 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

They could lessen the blow of VAC Bans with some Rick Astley, is all I'm
saying.

- Neph

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Timothy L Havener
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is that the steam version of being Rickrolled? ;-)

 Nephyrin Zey wrote:
 This is definitely achievable through hacks, so that's where my money
 is for now. Hopefully they get vacrolled soon.

 - Neph

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-03 Thread Ronny Schedel
How do you detect Cafe accounts? Is there some special format of Steam ID? 
How do you ban these people? I have heard it's not possible to ban Cafe 
accounts.



- Original Message - 
From: Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' 
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack


They won't get VAC banned because they are probably using café accounts
anyway.

Hence why I have been outright deny presumed café accounts access to my
servers.

I have yet to see or hear about this happening on my servers.

- voogru.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:01 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

They could lessen the blow of VAC Bans with some Rick Astley, is all I'm
saying.

- Neph

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Timothy L Havener
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is that the steam version of being Rickrolled? ;-)

 Nephyrin Zey wrote:
 This is definitely achievable through hacks, so that's where my money
 is for now. Hopefully they get vacrolled soon.

 - Neph

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-03 Thread JDoc0512
I bet it's just an exploit in game
nbsp;
It was possible tonbsp;have 100% critnbsp;chance several months ago but valve 
patched it
Now it came back -_-

--- On Tue, 6/3/08, GZ Coldorak lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote:

From: GZ Coldorak lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;
Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list 
lt;hlds@list.valvesoftware.comgt;
Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 1:48 AM

Don't know how they (the full-crit cheaters) do that. Is this an
external
hack (like aimbots) or an ingame exploit?
In the .dem linked in the first mail, I saw that one of the players switched
weapons quite often during setup time. Any relation with full-crit or
nothing to do with it?

Cold

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald lt;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote:

gt; I've made a wild guess to what I believe to be the cybercafé account
gt; ranges.
gt;
gt; Note: To retrieve account ids from a STEAM ID, see
gt; http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=60899
gt;
gt; Account IDS between 1510 and 1515
gt; Account IDS between 1550 and 1555
gt;
gt; However, not all accounts that fall into this range are café accounts,
but
gt; all café accounts appear to be in this range. Out of nearly 150,000
players
gt; in my database I had a few regulars that fell into this ID range, the rest
gt; of the players who fell into this range were flagged for speed hacking or
gt; had lamer looking names or were in myg0t, and various other scumbag
groups.
gt; I log all rejected connections, and I get about 9-10 rejections a day per
gt; server.
gt;
gt; Most importantly, most (90%) players who I flagged for cheating and most
gt; players who were banned for cheating, had ID's in this range.
gt;
gt; To resolve the problem with losing any regulars, my server keeps data on
gt; every player who ever connected to my server, so I just made it reject
gt; connections from unknown ids in this range.
gt;
gt; The amount of cheaters dropped considerably since I've implemented
this. I
gt; was getting about 2-3 speed hackers a day.
gt;
gt; I might take it off though so my admins can put our new admin rage cheater
gt; commands to use, perhaps only using it when there are no admins on the
gt; server.
gt;
gt; To valve, it makes sense for café accounts to be immune to VAC bans, it
gt; would be unfair for some jerkoff to go into a café, install hacks, and
get
gt; the café banned from 99% of servers, but there is massive abuse of the
gt; system to where people who do not operate cafés are using the accounts as
gt; unlimited cheat accounts.
gt;
gt; I personally think that café account steamids should be a single ID per
gt; steam café, immune to VAC bans, but if they get banned from a server,
they
gt; need to take it up with the server admin, another thing that would be a
gt; step
gt; in the right direction would be limiting steam café accounts to 1 single
gt; static IP. Any legitimate internet café has a business line which has a
gt; static IP.
gt;
gt; Until then, I will attempt to keep them off my server by detecting trends
gt; in
gt; their ID ranges.
gt;
gt; - voogru.
gt;
gt;
gt; -Original Message-
gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gt; [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronny Schedel
gt; Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:22 AM
gt; To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
gt; Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack
gt;
gt; How do you detect Cafe accounts? Is there some special format of Steam ID?
gt; How do you ban these people? I have heard it's not possible to ban
Cafe
gt; accounts.
gt;
gt;
gt;
gt; - Original Message -
gt; From: Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald
lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;
gt; To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
gt; lt;hlds@list.valvesoftware.comgt;
gt; Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:35 AM
gt; Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack
gt;
gt;
gt; They won't get VAC banned because they are probably using café
accounts
gt; anyway.
gt;
gt; Hence why I have been outright deny presumed café accounts access to my
gt; servers.
gt;
gt; I have yet to see or hear about this happening on my servers.
gt;
gt; - voogru.
gt;
gt; -Original Message-
gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gt; [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey
gt; Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:01 PM
gt; To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
gt; Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack
gt;
gt; They could lessen the blow of VAC Bans with some Rick Astley, is all
I'm
gt; saying.
gt;
gt; - Neph
gt;
gt; On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Timothy L Havener
gt; lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote:
gt; gt; Is that the steam version of being Rickrolled? ;-)
gt; gt;
gt; gt; Nephyrin Zey wrote:
gt; gt;gt; This is definitely achievable through hacks, so that's where
my money
gt; gt;gt; is for now. Hopefully they get vacrolled soon.
gt; gt;gt;
gt; gt;gt; - Neph
gt; gt;gt;
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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-03 Thread GZ Coldorak
Don't know how they (the full-crit cheaters) do that. Is this an external
hack (like aimbots) or an ingame exploit?
In the .dem linked in the first mail, I saw that one of the players switched
weapons quite often during setup time. Any relation with full-crit or
nothing to do with it?

Cold

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've made a wild guess to what I believe to be the cybercafé account
 ranges.

 Note: To retrieve account ids from a STEAM ID, see
 http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=60899

 Account IDS between 1510 and 1515
 Account IDS between 1550 and 1555

 However, not all accounts that fall into this range are café accounts, but
 all café accounts appear to be in this range. Out of nearly 150,000 players
 in my database I had a few regulars that fell into this ID range, the rest
 of the players who fell into this range were flagged for speed hacking or
 had lamer looking names or were in myg0t, and various other scumbag groups.
 I log all rejected connections, and I get about 9-10 rejections a day per
 server.

 Most importantly, most (90%) players who I flagged for cheating and most
 players who were banned for cheating, had ID's in this range.

 To resolve the problem with losing any regulars, my server keeps data on
 every player who ever connected to my server, so I just made it reject
 connections from unknown ids in this range.

 The amount of cheaters dropped considerably since I've implemented this. I
 was getting about 2-3 speed hackers a day.

 I might take it off though so my admins can put our new admin rage cheater
 commands to use, perhaps only using it when there are no admins on the
 server.

 To valve, it makes sense for café accounts to be immune to VAC bans, it
 would be unfair for some jerkoff to go into a café, install hacks, and get
 the café banned from 99% of servers, but there is massive abuse of the
 system to where people who do not operate cafés are using the accounts as
 unlimited cheat accounts.

 I personally think that café account steamids should be a single ID per
 steam café, immune to VAC bans, but if they get banned from a server, they
 need to take it up with the server admin, another thing that would be a
 step
 in the right direction would be limiting steam café accounts to 1 single
 static IP. Any legitimate internet café has a business line which has a
 static IP.

 Until then, I will attempt to keep them off my server by detecting trends
 in
 their ID ranges.

 - voogru.


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronny Schedel
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:22 AM
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

 How do you detect Cafe accounts? Is there some special format of Steam ID?
 How do you ban these people? I have heard it's not possible to ban Cafe
 accounts.



 - Original Message -
 From: Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
 hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack


 They won't get VAC banned because they are probably using café accounts
 anyway.

 Hence why I have been outright deny presumed café accounts access to my
 servers.

 I have yet to see or hear about this happening on my servers.

 - voogru.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:01 PM
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

 They could lessen the blow of VAC Bans with some Rick Astley, is all I'm
 saying.

 - Neph

 On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Timothy L Havener
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Is that the steam version of being Rickrolled? ;-)
 
  Nephyrin Zey wrote:
  This is definitely achievable through hacks, so that's where my money
  is for now. Hopefully they get vacrolled soon.
 
  - Neph
 
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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-03 Thread Kevin Ottalini

I updated my little toolkit so it will convert and lookup either steamids or
communityids:
http://qsextreme.com/qs_toolkit

Cafe accounts don't have normal friends connectivity or community pages 
though.

qUiCkSiLvEr


- Original Message - 
From: Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

I've made a wild guess to what I believe to be the cybercafé account ranges.

Note: To retrieve account ids from a STEAM ID, see
http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=60899



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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread John
I've seen guys do this before, wasn't too sure what was going on till now..

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Timothy Sadleir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Same here... Thos SAME EXACT guys.  Got demos of them doing this hack too.
 :)

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  We banned those guys a couple of weeks ago for the same thing.
 
 
  2008/6/1 Tom Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   I popped him an email anyway, but the link i have seems to have been
   already patched...
  
   Maybe theres a new one out that isnt listed :S
  
   SakeFox wrote:
I believe Alfred Reynolds is one of the people deals with the
 exploits,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
is there any dead give aways to look for if a person is going to do
  this
exploit? Would be good to know what to look for when people are
 trying
to do this.
   
Tom Leighton wrote:
   
I have a link to a howto on this, who do i need to send it to at
  Valve?
   
SakeFox wrote:
   
   
i intended to add them in the email, but forgot. there was two
   
STEAM_0:0:1845101 - JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT, set it and forget
 it,
   F10
for crits
STEAM_0:1:2630 - fire n forget
   
Patrick Shelley wrote:
   
   
   
WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..
   
Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add
 him
   to our
ban list
   
   
On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
   
   
Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
thought would pass it on.
   
it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without
 a
medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but
 non
   the
less there able to do it.
   
link for demo of player doing it.
http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z
   
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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread John
I've seen guys do this before, wasn't too sure what was going on till now..

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Timothy Sadleir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Same here... Thos SAME EXACT guys.  Got demos of them doing this hack too.
 :)

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  We banned those guys a couple of weeks ago for the same thing.
 
 
  2008/6/1 Tom Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   I popped him an email anyway, but the link i have seems to have been
   already patched...
  
   Maybe theres a new one out that isnt listed :S
  
   SakeFox wrote:
I believe Alfred Reynolds is one of the people deals with the
 exploits,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
is there any dead give aways to look for if a person is going to do
  this
exploit? Would be good to know what to look for when people are
 trying
to do this.
   
Tom Leighton wrote:
   
I have a link to a howto on this, who do i need to send it to at
  Valve?
   
SakeFox wrote:
   
   
i intended to add them in the email, but forgot. there was two
   
STEAM_0:0:1845101 - JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT, set it and forget
 it,
   F10
for crits
STEAM_0:1:2630 - fire n forget
   
Patrick Shelley wrote:
   
   
   
WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..
   
Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add
 him
   to our
ban list
   
   
On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
   
   
Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
thought would pass it on.
   
it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without
 a
medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but
 non
   the
less there able to do it.
   
link for demo of player doing it.
http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z
   
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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread bl4nkeh
Well looks like they were on my servers as well. I didn't hear any 
reports of them doing anything like this though, but I'll definitely add 
them to my bans.

John wrote:
 I've seen guys do this before, wasn't too sure what was going on till now..

 On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Timothy Sadleir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Same here... Thos SAME EXACT guys.  Got demos of them doing this hack too.
 :)

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 We banned those guys a couple of weeks ago for the same thing.


 2008/6/1 Tom Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   
 I popped him an email anyway, but the link i have seems to have been
 already patched...

 Maybe theres a new one out that isnt listed :S

 SakeFox wrote:
 
 I believe Alfred Reynolds is one of the people deals with the
   
 exploits,
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 is there any dead give aways to look for if a person is going to do
   
 this
   
 exploit? Would be good to know what to look for when people are
   
 trying
 
 to do this.

 Tom Leighton wrote:

   
 I have a link to a howto on this, who do i need to send it to at
 
 Valve?
   
 SakeFox wrote:


 
 i intended to add them in the email, but forgot. there was two

 STEAM_0:0:1845101 - JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT, set it and forget
   
 it,
 
 F10
 
 for crits
 STEAM_0:1:2630 - fire n forget

 Patrick Shelley wrote:



   
 WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..

 Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add
 
 him
 
 to our
 
 ban list


 On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 
 Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
 thought would pass it on.

 it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without
   
 a
 
 medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but
   
 non
 
 the
 
 less there able to do it.

 link for demo of player doing it.
 http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread SakeFox
did anyone notice them before the medic stuff was added? trying to find 
a time where they may have started this. if it is a hack its the first 
one i have seen that does all crits and if a exploit might help in 
finding the hole

bl4nkeh wrote:
 Well looks like they were on my servers as well. I didn't hear any 
 reports of them doing anything like this though, but I'll definitely add 
 them to my bans.

 John wrote:
   
 I've seen guys do this before, wasn't too sure what was going on till now..

 On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Timothy Sadleir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 
 Same here... Thos SAME EXACT guys.  Got demos of them doing this hack too.
 :)

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
   
 We banned those guys a couple of weeks ago for the same thing.


 2008/6/1 Tom Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   
 
 I popped him an email anyway, but the link i have seems to have been
 already patched...

 Maybe theres a new one out that isnt listed :S

 SakeFox wrote:
 
   
 I believe Alfred Reynolds is one of the people deals with the
   
 
 exploits,
 
   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 is there any dead give aways to look for if a person is going to do
   
 
 this
   
 
 exploit? Would be good to know what to look for when people are
   
 
 trying
 
   
 to do this.

 Tom Leighton wrote:

   
 
 I have a link to a howto on this, who do i need to send it to at
 
   
 Valve?
   
 
 SakeFox wrote:


 
   
 i intended to add them in the email, but forgot. there was two

 STEAM_0:0:1845101 - JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT, set it and forget
   
 
 it,
 
   
 F10
 
   
 for crits
 STEAM_0:1:2630 - fire n forget

 Patrick Shelley wrote:



   
 
 WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..

 Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add
 
   
 him
 
   
 to our
 
   
 ban list


 On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 
   
 Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
 thought would pass it on.

 it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without
   
 
 a
 
   
 medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but
   
 
 non
 
   
 the
 
   
 less there able to do it.

 link for demo of player doing it.
 http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread Tom Leighton
I reported it to Alfred and he's replied saying they'll look into it.

bl4nkeh wrote:
 Well looks like they were on my servers as well. I didn't hear any 
 reports of them doing anything like this though, but I'll definitely add 
 them to my bans.

 John wrote:
   
 I've seen guys do this before, wasn't too sure what was going on till now..

 On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Timothy Sadleir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 
 Same here... Thos SAME EXACT guys.  Got demos of them doing this hack too.
 :)

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
   
 We banned those guys a couple of weeks ago for the same thing.


 2008/6/1 Tom Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   
 
 I popped him an email anyway, but the link i have seems to have been
 already patched...

 Maybe theres a new one out that isnt listed :S

 SakeFox wrote:
 
   
 I believe Alfred Reynolds is one of the people deals with the
   
 
 exploits,
 
   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 is there any dead give aways to look for if a person is going to do
   
 
 this
   
 
 exploit? Would be good to know what to look for when people are
   
 
 trying
 
   
 to do this.

 Tom Leighton wrote:

   
 
 I have a link to a howto on this, who do i need to send it to at
 
   
 Valve?
   
 
 SakeFox wrote:


 
   
 i intended to add them in the email, but forgot. there was two

 STEAM_0:0:1845101 - JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT, set it and forget
   
 
 it,
 
   
 F10
 
   
 for crits
 STEAM_0:1:2630 - fire n forget

 Patrick Shelley wrote:



   
 
 WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..

 Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add
 
   
 him
 
   
 to our
 
   
 ban list


 On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 
   
 Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
 thought would pass it on.

 it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without
   
 
 a
 
   
 medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but
   
 
 non
 
   
 the
 
   
 less there able to do it.

 link for demo of player doing it.
 http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread Nephyrin Zey
This is definitely achievable through hacks, so that's where my money
is for now. Hopefully they get vacrolled soon.

- Neph

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread Tom Leighton
Or get some more interesting cheat detection methods online.

I know it may up the amount of false positives, but I don't see how 
logging the modules that are loaded during the games startup/random 
intervals, and then comparing the amount of players using them.

If it's a legitimate program, valve can revert the bans, etc.

Not a good idea, but we could do with a more proactive approach to 
anti-cheat (Maybe even screenshots? :P)

Nephyrin Zey wrote:
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 is for now. Hopefully they get vacrolled soon.

 - Neph

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread Timothy L Havener
Is that the steam version of being Rickrolled? ;-)

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread Nephyrin Zey
They could lessen the blow of VAC Bans with some Rick Astley, is all I'm saying.

- Neph

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Timothy L Havener
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 Is that the steam version of being Rickrolled? ;-)

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald
They won't get VAC banned because they are probably using café accounts
anyway.

Hence why I have been outright deny presumed café accounts access to my
servers.

I have yet to see or hear about this happening on my servers.

- voogru.

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They could lessen the blow of VAC Bans with some Rick Astley, is all I'm
saying.

- Neph

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is that the steam version of being Rickrolled? ;-)

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread Cc2iscooL
The big point about VAC being a delayed banning system is that the 
people creating these hack programs can't be sure 100% that they won't 
get caught by using whatever program they've created. If it was an 
insta-ban system like Punkbuster, they could just play with it until 
they were to get around the system, which would make the system 
virtually useless anyway.

Plus, we get to ban more people later! :D

Tom Leighton wrote:
 Or get some more interesting cheat detection methods online.

 I know it may up the amount of false positives, but I don't see how 
 logging the modules that are loaded during the games startup/random 
 intervals, and then comparing the amount of players using them.

 If it's a legitimate program, valve can revert the bans, etc.

 Not a good idea, but we could do with a more proactive approach to 
 anti-cheat (Maybe even screenshots? :P)

 Nephyrin Zey wrote:
   
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 is for now. Hopefully they get vacrolled soon.

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread Tom Leighton
I wasn't saying go instaban, delayed ban is incredibly good :P

Just saying about adding some more detection methods in...

Neil Voutt wrote:
 Also, it allows the hack to spread more and more.. so more bad users get 
 the BOOT..

 if it insta banned it would take out like a few people before word got 
 out..  if people go for a week or a month and thinks all is good then... 
 BAM hit with a parking ticket they didnt know they had and its GONE

 Cc2iscooL wrote:
   
 The big point about VAC being a delayed banning system is that the 
 people creating these hack programs can't be sure 100% that they won't 
 get caught by using whatever program they've created. If it was an 
 insta-ban system like Punkbuster, they could just play with it until 
 they were to get around the system, which would make the system 
 virtually useless anyway.

 Plus, we get to ban more people later! :D

 Tom Leighton wrote:
   
 
 Or get some more interesting cheat detection methods online.

 I know it may up the amount of false positives, but I don't see how 
 logging the modules that are loaded during the games startup/random 
 intervals, and then comparing the amount of players using them.

 If it's a legitimate program, valve can revert the bans, etc.

 Not a good idea, but we could do with a more proactive approach to 
 anti-cheat (Maybe even screenshots? :P)

 Nephyrin Zey wrote:
   
 
   
 This is definitely achievable through hacks, so that's where my money
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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-02 Thread JDoc0512
instant permanent ban from VAC secured servers sounds cruel but effective

--- On Mon, 6/2/08, Tom Leighton lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote:

From: Tom Leighton lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;
Subject: Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list 
lt;hlds@list.valvesoftware.comgt;
Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 9:57 PM

I wasn't saying go instaban, delayed ban is incredibly good :P

Just saying about adding some more detection methods in...

Neil Voutt wrote:
gt; Also, it allows the hack to spread more and more.. so more bad users get 
gt; the BOOT..
gt;
gt; if it insta banned it would take out like a few people before word got 
gt; out..  if people go for a week or a month and thinks all is good then... 
gt; BAM hit with a parking ticket they didnt know they had and its GONE
gt;
gt; Cc2iscooL wrote:
gt;   
gt;gt; The big point about VAC being a delayed banning system is that the 
gt;gt; people creating these hack programs can't be sure 100% that they
won't 
gt;gt; get caught by using whatever program they've created. If it was an

gt;gt; insta-ban system like Punkbuster, they could just play with it until 
gt;gt; they were to get around the system, which would make the system 
gt;gt; virtually useless anyway.
gt;gt;
gt;gt; Plus, we get to ban more people later! :D
gt;gt;
gt;gt; Tom Leighton wrote:
gt;gt;   
gt;gt; 
gt;gt;gt; Or get some more interesting cheat detection methods online.
gt;gt;gt;
gt;gt;gt; I know it may up the amount of false positives, but I don't
see how 
gt;gt;gt; logging the modules that are loaded during the games
startup/random 
gt;gt;gt; intervals, and then comparing the amount of players using them.
gt;gt;gt;
gt;gt;gt; If it's a legitimate program, valve can revert the bans, etc.
gt;gt;gt;
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[hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-01 Thread SakeFox
Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and 
thought would pass it on.

it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without a 
medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but non the 
less there able to do it.

link for demo of player doing it.
http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-01 Thread Patrick Shelley
WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..

Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add him to our
ban list


On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
 thought would pass it on.

 it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without a
 medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but non the
 less there able to do it.

 link for demo of player doing it.
 http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-01 Thread SakeFox
i intended to add them in the email, but forgot. there was two

STEAM_0:0:1845101 - JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT, set it and forget it, F10 
for crits
STEAM_0:1:2630 - fire n forget

Patrick Shelley wrote:
 WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..

 Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add him to our
 ban list


 On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
 thought would pass it on.

 it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without a
 medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but non the
 less there able to do it.

 link for demo of player doing it.
 http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-01 Thread Tom Leighton
I have a link to a howto on this, who do i need to send it to at Valve?

SakeFox wrote:
 i intended to add them in the email, but forgot. there was two

 STEAM_0:0:1845101 - JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT, set it and forget it, F10 
 for crits
 STEAM_0:1:2630 - fire n forget

 Patrick Shelley wrote:
   
 WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..

 Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add him to our
 ban list


 On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 
 Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
 thought would pass it on.

 it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without a
 medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but non the
 less there able to do it.

 link for demo of player doing it.
 http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-01 Thread SakeFox
I believe Alfred Reynolds is one of the people deals with the exploits, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

is there any dead give aways to look for if a person is going to do this 
exploit? Would be good to know what to look for when people are trying 
to do this.

Tom Leighton wrote:
 I have a link to a howto on this, who do i need to send it to at Valve?

 SakeFox wrote:
   
 i intended to add them in the email, but forgot. there was two

 STEAM_0:0:1845101 - JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT, set it and forget it, F10 
 for crits
 STEAM_0:1:2630 - fire n forget

 Patrick Shelley wrote:
   
 
 WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..

 Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add him to our
 ban list


 On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 
   
 Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
 thought would pass it on.

 it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without a
 medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but non the
 less there able to do it.

 link for demo of player doing it.
 http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-01 Thread Tom Leighton
Playing around in the spawn room, uber charging or crit charging and 
then deploying while in the spawn room -- no more details sorry :P

SakeFox wrote:
 I believe Alfred Reynolds is one of the people deals with the exploits, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 is there any dead give aways to look for if a person is going to do this 
 exploit? Would be good to know what to look for when people are trying 
 to do this.

 Tom Leighton wrote:
   
 I have a link to a howto on this, who do i need to send it to at Valve?

 SakeFox wrote:
   
 
 i intended to add them in the email, but forgot. there was two

 STEAM_0:0:1845101 - JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT, set it and forget it, F10 
 for crits
 STEAM_0:1:2630 - fire n forget

 Patrick Shelley wrote:
   
 
   
 WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..

 Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add him to our
 ban list


 On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 
   
 
 Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
 thought would pass it on.

 it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without a
 medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but non the
 less there able to do it.

 link for demo of player doing it.
 http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-01 Thread Tom Leighton
I popped him an email anyway, but the link i have seems to have been 
already patched...

Maybe theres a new one out that isnt listed :S

SakeFox wrote:
 I believe Alfred Reynolds is one of the people deals with the exploits, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 is there any dead give aways to look for if a person is going to do this 
 exploit? Would be good to know what to look for when people are trying 
 to do this.

 Tom Leighton wrote:
   
 I have a link to a howto on this, who do i need to send it to at Valve?

 SakeFox wrote:
   
 
 i intended to add them in the email, but forgot. there was two

 STEAM_0:0:1845101 - JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT, set it and forget it, F10 
 for crits
 STEAM_0:1:2630 - fire n forget

 Patrick Shelley wrote:
   
 
   
 WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..

 Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add him to our
 ban list


 On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 
   
 
 Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
 thought would pass it on.

 it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without a
 medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but non the
 less there able to do it.

 link for demo of player doing it.
 http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z

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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-01 Thread Dog
We banned those guys a couple of weeks ago for the same thing.


2008/6/1 Tom Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I popped him an email anyway, but the link i have seems to have been
 already patched...

 Maybe theres a new one out that isnt listed :S

 SakeFox wrote:
  I believe Alfred Reynolds is one of the people deals with the exploits,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  is there any dead give aways to look for if a person is going to do this
  exploit? Would be good to know what to look for when people are trying
  to do this.
 
  Tom Leighton wrote:
 
  I have a link to a howto on this, who do i need to send it to at Valve?
 
  SakeFox wrote:
 
 
  i intended to add them in the email, but forgot. there was two
 
  STEAM_0:0:1845101 - JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT, set it and forget it,
 F10
  for crits
  STEAM_0:1:2630 - fire n forget
 
  Patrick Shelley wrote:
 
 
 
  WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..
 
  Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add him
 to our
  ban list
 
 
  On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 
  Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
  thought would pass it on.
 
  it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without a
  medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but non
 the
  less there able to do it.
 
  link for demo of player doing it.
  http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z
 
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Re: [hlds] All Crit's exploit/hack

2008-06-01 Thread Timothy Sadleir
Same here... Thos SAME EXACT guys.  Got demos of them doing this hack too.
:)

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We banned those guys a couple of weeks ago for the same thing.


 2008/6/1 Tom Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  I popped him an email anyway, but the link i have seems to have been
  already patched...
 
  Maybe theres a new one out that isnt listed :S
 
  SakeFox wrote:
   I believe Alfred Reynolds is one of the people deals with the exploits,
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   is there any dead give aways to look for if a person is going to do
 this
   exploit? Would be good to know what to look for when people are trying
   to do this.
  
   Tom Leighton wrote:
  
   I have a link to a howto on this, who do i need to send it to at
 Valve?
  
   SakeFox wrote:
  
  
   i intended to add them in the email, but forgot. there was two
  
   STEAM_0:0:1845101 - JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT, set it and forget it,
  F10
   for crits
   STEAM_0:1:2630 - fire n forget
  
   Patrick Shelley wrote:
  
  
  
   WOW - thats sick - and not the good sick..
  
   Blus couldnt even get out - whats the guys steam id and i'll add him
  to our
   ban list
  
  
   On 6/1/08, SakeFox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
  
   Just seen this on our servers and was the first we seen of it and
   thought would pass it on.
  
   it seems its possible now for players to have perma crits without a
   medic. not sure how its done and if its a hack or exploit, but non
  the
   less there able to do it.
  
   link for demo of player doing it.
   http://www.kingdomsend.com/files/allcrits.7z
  
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