Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
Hi Guys, I've released a SourceMod extension that exposes the newly added SteamWorks struct members to Pawn. The Extension is very simple, and in it's infancy, but my intention is to support every game and more callbacks. There's no Windows build, as I don't have MSVC. However, it should be fairly easy to compile for other platforms. Huge thanks to the SteamWorks guys for the release on Thursday. https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=2058917 Thanks, Kyle. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:58 PM, IBIS Customer Service ibis.serv...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully we get a way to pass the owner id in a way that allows for instant bans. Yesterday we had 20 bans in a few min from players doing this. According to the admins *Problem: * Five guys in gg... banned by 4 different admins, over 20 times in total (see the screenshot, which spreads to the next page as well)... AND THEY KEEP COMING BACK... *Explanation*: That, my friends, would be the first occurrence of exploiters/grievers/hackers that own a Steam Family Sharing beta key, allowing them to create multiple temporary instances of their accounts to play on ... and when that account is banned, they just make a new one for free from the original. Rince and repeat. See the bans from the 24th: http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist Hopefully, this is fixed in a future build :D On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.comwrote: In case anyone is following this, there's a WebAPI update planned for next week which allows for getting the owner's account from a lender id. There's also a Steamworks update planned for between yesterday and (?), which adds the owner's id to the ticket verification result (ValidateAuthTicketResponse_t). However, this is too late for servers to get the owner's id. SourceMod at the moment supports checking if they're verified (by not handing out admin before IsClientFullyAuthenticated happens). However, this happens far too late in the process (30 seconds typically to a couple minutes, to never if Steam is down), subsequently most servers (to my knowledge) have the feature disabled (or at least want it disabled; from the threads I've seen). After the Steamworks update happens, I believe we need the owner's accountid passed to the server at the same time as the actual rendered SteamID (how it is at the moment, sent from the client at connection time). This should allow for the same verification result as IsClientFullyAuthenticated, and pre-usage that most of the engine does. This should continue to allow for immediate usage, which is what is used now. A public engine function would be appreciated to get the owner's account id (or rendered SteamID, as to conform with everything else). Unless if I'm neglecting something major, this should resolve the exploit for everyone as clients are updated to support sending the supposed ownerid. Thanks, Kyle. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.comwrote: The Steam Family Sharing Exploit is still a vivid problem CS:S, as it takes roughly 90 seconds to connect to a new VPN Server, create a new Steam account, and rejoin. I've re-banned the same griefer about 7 times now in the last 19 minutes; they're pretty persistent. Please help everyone using your products protect ourselves against this new `feature`. Thanks, Kyle. On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.comwrote: Today, we're seeing a ton of banned, griefing players using VPNs and throw-away Steam accounts to bypass server bans. The problem already seems to be pretty widespread in CS:S. Considering this is the first weekend where the beta was opened up, it's only going to get worse. I'm sure this isn't isolated to CS:S, or my servers. There are many others running community servers, some probably not even using Source that are impacted by this. The native Steam Exploit seems to be getting abused quite heavily. The theoretical is now the present, Kyle. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Jesse Oak wazanato...@gmail.comwrote: Every game copy should have an ID associated with it, this way an admin can ban per copy of the game rather then player ID. It's bad enough right now in TF2 and some of the Source mod games where a griefer can just quickly make a new account and reset their IP address having this start to happen in games like CSGO is going to be a major pain for admins. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Valentin G. nextra...@gmail.comwrote: Banning by IP is useless for many countries. And if cheaters abuse the family sharing they will certainly go to the lengths of making a quick new dial-in to grab that new IP. I have already said this much on the Beta Forums, and fully agree with Kyle. This brings the TF2 F2P dilemma to every title. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Dominik Friedrichs d...@forlix.orgwrote: On 2013/10/18 03:38, N-Gon wrote: I
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
Hopefully we get a way to pass the owner id in a way that allows for instant bans. Yesterday we had 20 bans in a few min from players doing this. According to the admins *Problem: * Five guys in gg... banned by 4 different admins, over 20 times in total (see the screenshot, which spreads to the next page as well)... AND THEY KEEP COMING BACK... *Explanation*: That, my friends, would be the first occurrence of exploiters/grievers/hackers that own a Steam Family Sharing beta key, allowing them to create multiple temporary instances of their accounts to play on ... and when that account is banned, they just make a new one for free from the original. Rince and repeat. See the bans from the 24th: http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist Hopefully, this is fixed in a future build :D On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.com wrote: In case anyone is following this, there's a WebAPI update planned for next week which allows for getting the owner's account from a lender id. There's also a Steamworks update planned for between yesterday and (?), which adds the owner's id to the ticket verification result (ValidateAuthTicketResponse_t). However, this is too late for servers to get the owner's id. SourceMod at the moment supports checking if they're verified (by not handing out admin before IsClientFullyAuthenticated happens). However, this happens far too late in the process (30 seconds typically to a couple minutes, to never if Steam is down), subsequently most servers (to my knowledge) have the feature disabled (or at least want it disabled; from the threads I've seen). After the Steamworks update happens, I believe we need the owner's accountid passed to the server at the same time as the actual rendered SteamID (how it is at the moment, sent from the client at connection time). This should allow for the same verification result as IsClientFullyAuthenticated, and pre-usage that most of the engine does. This should continue to allow for immediate usage, which is what is used now. A public engine function would be appreciated to get the owner's account id (or rendered SteamID, as to conform with everything else). Unless if I'm neglecting something major, this should resolve the exploit for everyone as clients are updated to support sending the supposed ownerid. Thanks, Kyle. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.comwrote: The Steam Family Sharing Exploit is still a vivid problem CS:S, as it takes roughly 90 seconds to connect to a new VPN Server, create a new Steam account, and rejoin. I've re-banned the same griefer about 7 times now in the last 19 minutes; they're pretty persistent. Please help everyone using your products protect ourselves against this new `feature`. Thanks, Kyle. On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.comwrote: Today, we're seeing a ton of banned, griefing players using VPNs and throw-away Steam accounts to bypass server bans. The problem already seems to be pretty widespread in CS:S. Considering this is the first weekend where the beta was opened up, it's only going to get worse. I'm sure this isn't isolated to CS:S, or my servers. There are many others running community servers, some probably not even using Source that are impacted by this. The native Steam Exploit seems to be getting abused quite heavily. The theoretical is now the present, Kyle. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Jesse Oak wazanato...@gmail.comwrote: Every game copy should have an ID associated with it, this way an admin can ban per copy of the game rather then player ID. It's bad enough right now in TF2 and some of the Source mod games where a griefer can just quickly make a new account and reset their IP address having this start to happen in games like CSGO is going to be a major pain for admins. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Valentin G. nextra...@gmail.comwrote: Banning by IP is useless for many countries. And if cheaters abuse the family sharing they will certainly go to the lengths of making a quick new dial-in to grab that new IP. I have already said this much on the Beta Forums, and fully agree with Kyle. This brings the TF2 F2P dilemma to every title. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Dominik Friedrichs d...@forlix.orgwrote: On 2013/10/18 03:38, N-Gon wrote: I agree with Dog. However, I would also like to note that with SourceMod you could ban the users by IP. Sure they can change it, but most of the trolls are either too stupid to figure out how or too stupid to figure out how to do it quickly. Meaning you'd see the repeat offender now and then, but not enough to be too much of a nuisance. I'd like to note that for broadband providers in my area it is quite common to hand out a different IP on every dial in, while a connection with that same IP can be kept alive for 24 hours at maximum. Hence I would never bother to
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
In case anyone is following this, there's a WebAPI update planned for next week which allows for getting the owner's account from a lender id. There's also a Steamworks update planned for between yesterday and (?), which adds the owner's id to the ticket verification result (ValidateAuthTicketResponse_t). However, this is too late for servers to get the owner's id. SourceMod at the moment supports checking if they're verified (by not handing out admin before IsClientFullyAuthenticated happens). However, this happens far too late in the process (30 seconds typically to a couple minutes, to never if Steam is down), subsequently most servers (to my knowledge) have the feature disabled (or at least want it disabled; from the threads I've seen). After the Steamworks update happens, I believe we need the owner's accountid passed to the server at the same time as the actual rendered SteamID (how it is at the moment, sent from the client at connection time). This should allow for the same verification result as IsClientFullyAuthenticated, and pre-usage that most of the engine does. This should continue to allow for immediate usage, which is what is used now. A public engine function would be appreciated to get the owner's account id (or rendered SteamID, as to conform with everything else). Unless if I'm neglecting something major, this should resolve the exploit for everyone as clients are updated to support sending the supposed ownerid. Thanks, Kyle. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.com wrote: The Steam Family Sharing Exploit is still a vivid problem CS:S, as it takes roughly 90 seconds to connect to a new VPN Server, create a new Steam account, and rejoin. I've re-banned the same griefer about 7 times now in the last 19 minutes; they're pretty persistent. Please help everyone using your products protect ourselves against this new `feature`. Thanks, Kyle. On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.comwrote: Today, we're seeing a ton of banned, griefing players using VPNs and throw-away Steam accounts to bypass server bans. The problem already seems to be pretty widespread in CS:S. Considering this is the first weekend where the beta was opened up, it's only going to get worse. I'm sure this isn't isolated to CS:S, or my servers. There are many others running community servers, some probably not even using Source that are impacted by this. The native Steam Exploit seems to be getting abused quite heavily. The theoretical is now the present, Kyle. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Jesse Oak wazanato...@gmail.com wrote: Every game copy should have an ID associated with it, this way an admin can ban per copy of the game rather then player ID. It's bad enough right now in TF2 and some of the Source mod games where a griefer can just quickly make a new account and reset their IP address having this start to happen in games like CSGO is going to be a major pain for admins. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Valentin G. nextra...@gmail.comwrote: Banning by IP is useless for many countries. And if cheaters abuse the family sharing they will certainly go to the lengths of making a quick new dial-in to grab that new IP. I have already said this much on the Beta Forums, and fully agree with Kyle. This brings the TF2 F2P dilemma to every title. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Dominik Friedrichs d...@forlix.orgwrote: On 2013/10/18 03:38, N-Gon wrote: I agree with Dog. However, I would also like to note that with SourceMod you could ban the users by IP. Sure they can change it, but most of the trolls are either too stupid to figure out how or too stupid to figure out how to do it quickly. Meaning you'd see the repeat offender now and then, but not enough to be too much of a nuisance. I'd like to note that for broadband providers in my area it is quite common to hand out a different IP on every dial in, while a connection with that same IP can be kept alive for 24 hours at maximum. Hence I would never bother to ban by IP if the ban is supposed to be longer than a few hours. __**_ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hldshttps://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
The Steam Family Sharing Exploit is still a vivid problem CS:S, as it takes roughly 90 seconds to connect to a new VPN Server, create a new Steam account, and rejoin. I've re-banned the same griefer about 7 times now in the last 19 minutes; they're pretty persistent. Please help everyone using your products protect ourselves against this new `feature`. Thanks, Kyle. On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.com wrote: Today, we're seeing a ton of banned, griefing players using VPNs and throw-away Steam accounts to bypass server bans. The problem already seems to be pretty widespread in CS:S. Considering this is the first weekend where the beta was opened up, it's only going to get worse. I'm sure this isn't isolated to CS:S, or my servers. There are many others running community servers, some probably not even using Source that are impacted by this. The native Steam Exploit seems to be getting abused quite heavily. The theoretical is now the present, Kyle. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Jesse Oak wazanato...@gmail.com wrote: Every game copy should have an ID associated with it, this way an admin can ban per copy of the game rather then player ID. It's bad enough right now in TF2 and some of the Source mod games where a griefer can just quickly make a new account and reset their IP address having this start to happen in games like CSGO is going to be a major pain for admins. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Valentin G. nextra...@gmail.com wrote: Banning by IP is useless for many countries. And if cheaters abuse the family sharing they will certainly go to the lengths of making a quick new dial-in to grab that new IP. I have already said this much on the Beta Forums, and fully agree with Kyle. This brings the TF2 F2P dilemma to every title. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Dominik Friedrichs d...@forlix.orgwrote: On 2013/10/18 03:38, N-Gon wrote: I agree with Dog. However, I would also like to note that with SourceMod you could ban the users by IP. Sure they can change it, but most of the trolls are either too stupid to figure out how or too stupid to figure out how to do it quickly. Meaning you'd see the repeat offender now and then, but not enough to be too much of a nuisance. I'd like to note that for broadband providers in my area it is quite common to hand out a different IP on every dial in, while a connection with that same IP can be kept alive for 24 hours at maximum. Hence I would never bother to ban by IP if the ban is supposed to be longer than a few hours. __**_ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hldshttps://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
Today, we're seeing a ton of banned, griefing players using VPNs and throw-away Steam accounts to bypass server bans. The problem already seems to be pretty widespread in CS:S. Considering this is the first weekend where the beta was opened up, it's only going to get worse. I'm sure this isn't isolated to CS:S, or my servers. There are many others running community servers, some probably not even using Source that are impacted by this. The native Steam Exploit seems to be getting abused quite heavily. The theoretical is now the present, Kyle. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Jesse Oak wazanato...@gmail.com wrote: Every game copy should have an ID associated with it, this way an admin can ban per copy of the game rather then player ID. It's bad enough right now in TF2 and some of the Source mod games where a griefer can just quickly make a new account and reset their IP address having this start to happen in games like CSGO is going to be a major pain for admins. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Valentin G. nextra...@gmail.com wrote: Banning by IP is useless for many countries. And if cheaters abuse the family sharing they will certainly go to the lengths of making a quick new dial-in to grab that new IP. I have already said this much on the Beta Forums, and fully agree with Kyle. This brings the TF2 F2P dilemma to every title. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Dominik Friedrichs d...@forlix.orgwrote: On 2013/10/18 03:38, N-Gon wrote: I agree with Dog. However, I would also like to note that with SourceMod you could ban the users by IP. Sure they can change it, but most of the trolls are either too stupid to figure out how or too stupid to figure out how to do it quickly. Meaning you'd see the repeat offender now and then, but not enough to be too much of a nuisance. I'd like to note that for broadband providers in my area it is quite common to hand out a different IP on every dial in, while a connection with that same IP can be kept alive for 24 hours at maximum. Hence I would never bother to ban by IP if the ban is supposed to be longer than a few hours. __**_ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hldshttps://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
Banning by IP is useless for many countries. And if cheaters abuse the family sharing they will certainly go to the lengths of making a quick new dial-in to grab that new IP. I have already said this much on the Beta Forums, and fully agree with Kyle. This brings the TF2 F2P dilemma to every title. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Dominik Friedrichs d...@forlix.org wrote: On 2013/10/18 03:38, N-Gon wrote: I agree with Dog. However, I would also like to note that with SourceMod you could ban the users by IP. Sure they can change it, but most of the trolls are either too stupid to figure out how or too stupid to figure out how to do it quickly. Meaning you'd see the repeat offender now and then, but not enough to be too much of a nuisance. I'd like to note that for broadband providers in my area it is quite common to hand out a different IP on every dial in, while a connection with that same IP can be kept alive for 24 hours at maximum. Hence I would never bother to ban by IP if the ban is supposed to be longer than a few hours. __**_ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hldshttps://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
Every game copy should have an ID associated with it, this way an admin can ban per copy of the game rather then player ID. It's bad enough right now in TF2 and some of the Source mod games where a griefer can just quickly make a new account and reset their IP address having this start to happen in games like CSGO is going to be a major pain for admins. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Valentin G. nextra...@gmail.com wrote: Banning by IP is useless for many countries. And if cheaters abuse the family sharing they will certainly go to the lengths of making a quick new dial-in to grab that new IP. I have already said this much on the Beta Forums, and fully agree with Kyle. This brings the TF2 F2P dilemma to every title. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Dominik Friedrichs d...@forlix.org wrote: On 2013/10/18 03:38, N-Gon wrote: I agree with Dog. However, I would also like to note that with SourceMod you could ban the users by IP. Sure they can change it, but most of the trolls are either too stupid to figure out how or too stupid to figure out how to do it quickly. Meaning you'd see the repeat offender now and then, but not enough to be too much of a nuisance. I'd like to note that for broadband providers in my area it is quite common to hand out a different IP on every dial in, while a connection with that same IP can be kept alive for 24 hours at maximum. Hence I would never bother to ban by IP if the ban is supposed to be longer than a few hours. __**_ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hldshttps://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
Using Steam's new Family Sharing feature, Server Bans can be easily bypassed, along with other Steam based bans. This is due to the fact that the launched game doesn't use the owner's Account ID, rather the newly created account id. This impacts CS:GO's banning mechanisms (blocked friends, abandon match timeout), all Community Server based bans, and many other community based stat tracking functions. Bypassing bans has been a rampant problem in TF2 since the game went F2P, and hasn't been addressed since the change. Please add a Function to any public interface so server operators can get the primary holder AccountID, or glue the Primary User's accountid onto launched games. The former would be nice to preserve the idea of different accounts, but this is a pretty significant problem for everyone going forward... Kyle. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
SO basically you are such a ban happy badmin that even if someone is using the steam family deal correctly you want to ban anyone associated with that account. It's jerkoffs like you that actually ruin the steam community and anyone that takes anything you say seriously has a mental disorder. You already said it's f2p and so is the serverware, if you invested real money in it you're just plan stupid and deserve all the heartache you create for yourself. May I suggest you run a local network server that way you can play against all your friends (yourself) and ban until your hearts content. From: kyle.l...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:25:16 -0600 To: hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; csgo_serv...@list.valvesoftware.com CC: chris...@valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass. Using Steam's new Family Sharing feature, Server Bans can be easily bypassed, along with other Steam based bans. This is due to the fact that the launched game doesn't use the owner's Account ID, rather the newly created account id. This impacts CS:GO's banning mechanisms (blocked friends, abandon match timeout), all Community Server based bans, and many other community based stat tracking functions. Bypassing bans has been a rampant problem in TF2 since the game went F2P, and hasn't been addressed since the change. Please add a Function to any public interface so server operators can get the primary holder AccountID, or glue the Primary User's accountid onto launched games. The former would be nice to preserve the idea of different accounts, but this is a pretty significant problem for everyone going forward... Kyle. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
SO basically you are such a ban happy little badmin that even if someone is using the steam family deal correctly you want to ban anyone associated with that account. It's jerkoffs like you that actually ruin the steam community and anyone that takes anything you say seriously has a mental disorder. You already said it's f2p and so is the serverware, if you invested real money in it you're just plan stupid and deserve all the heartache you create for yourself. May I suggest you run a local network server that way you can play against all your friends (yourself) and ban until your hearts content. From: kyle.l...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:25:16 -0600 To: hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; csgo_serv...@list.valvesoftware.com CC: chris...@valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass. Using Steam's new Family Sharing feature, Server Bans can be easily bypassed, along with other Steam based bans. This is due to the fact that the launched game doesn't use the owner's Account ID, rather the newly created account id. This impacts CS:GO's banning mechanisms (blocked friends, abandon match timeout), all Community Server based bans, and many other community based stat tracking functions. Bypassing bans has been a rampant problem in TF2 since the game went F2P, and hasn't been addressed since the change. Please add a Function to any public interface so server operators can get the primary holder AccountID, or glue the Primary User's accountid onto launched games. The former would be nice to preserve the idea of different accounts, but this is a pretty significant problem for everyone going forward... Kyle. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
Is this retard serious or what? From: kyle.l...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:25:16 -0600 To: hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; csgo_serv...@list.valvesoftware.com CC: chris...@valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass. Using Steam's new Family Sharing feature, Server Bans can be easily bypassed, along with other Steam based bans. This is due to the fact that the launched game doesn't use the owner's Account ID, rather the newly created account id. This impacts CS:GO's banning mechanisms (blocked friends, abandon match timeout), all Community Server based bans, and many other community based stat tracking functions. Bypassing bans has been a rampant problem in TF2 since the game went F2P, and hasn't been addressed since the change. Please add a Function to any public interface so server operators can get the primary holder AccountID, or glue the Primary User's accountid onto launched games. The former would be nice to preserve the idea of different accounts, but this is a pretty significant problem for everyone going forward... Kyle. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
SO basically you are such a ban happy little badmin that even if someone is using the steam family deal correctly you want to ban anyone associated with that account. It's jerkoffs like you that actually ruin the steam community and anyone that takes anything you say seriously has a mental disorder. You already said it's f2p and so is the serverware, if you invested real money in it you're just plan stupid and deserve all the heartache you create for yourself. May I suggest you run a local network server that way you can play against all your friends (yourself) and ban until your hearts content. From: kyle.l...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:25:16 -0600 To: hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; csgo_serv...@list.valvesoftware.com CC: chris...@valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass. Using Steam's new Family Sharing feature, Server Bans can be easily bypassed, along with other Steam based bans. This is due to the fact that the launched game doesn't use the owner's Account ID, rather the newly created account id. This impacts CS:GO's banning mechanisms (blocked friends, abandon match timeout), all Community Server based bans, and many other community based stat tracking functions. Bypassing bans has been a rampant problem in TF2 since the game went F2P, and hasn't been addressed since the change. Please add a Function to any public interface so server operators can get the primary holder AccountID, or glue the Primary User's accountid onto launched games. The former would be nice to preserve the idea of different accounts, but this is a pretty significant problem for everyone going forward... Kyle. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
Yes, please take this suggestion into consideration. It's a troubling issue. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Kyle Sanderson kyle.l...@gmail.com wrote: Using Steam's new Family Sharing feature, Server Bans can be easily bypassed, along with other Steam based bans. This is due to the fact that the launched game doesn't use the owner's Account ID, rather the newly created account id. This impacts CS:GO's banning mechanisms (blocked friends, abandon match timeout), all Community Server based bans, and many other community based stat tracking functions. Bypassing bans has been a rampant problem in TF2 since the game went F2P, and hasn't been addressed since the change. Please add a Function to any public interface so server operators can get the primary holder AccountID, or glue the Primary User's accountid onto launched games. The former would be nice to preserve the idea of different accounts, but this is a pretty significant problem for everyone going forward... Kyle. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
Unfortunately you don't understand the impact that gaming communities have on games. They extend the life of the game by providing a better gaming experience by keeping immature, filth filled jerks out of their communities. Console gaming can be a miserable experience, having to endure some of the moronic elemnt out there. Having the ability to block undesirables is a necessary part of running a community. Players want to come back to a community as they enjoy the experience, without having to worry about any of the garbage that is normally associated with gaming. Kyle is totally correct to ask for something to help the game continue. He is an excellent contributor to this community and only has a genuine interst in keeping the game fun to play. Fortunately, since you will be playing on your LAN with your friends, this should really not matter to you at all. So, TLDR; VALVe, add some way of differentiating between family sharing players. Please and thank you. --Dog On Thursday, October 17, 2013, Servergurl Gamer wrote: SO basically you are such a ban happy badmin that even if someone is using the steam family deal correctly you want to ban anyone associated with that account. It's jerkoffs like you that actually ruin the steam community and anyone that takes anything you say seriously has a mental disorder. You already said it's f2p and so is the serverware, if you invested real money in it you're just plan stupid and deserve all the heartache you create for yourself. May I suggest you run a local network server that way you can play against all your friends (yourself) and ban until your hearts content. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
I agree with Dog. However, I would also like to note that with SourceMod you could ban the users by IP. Sure they can change it, but most of the trolls are either too stupid to figure out how or too stupid to figure out how to do it quickly. Meaning you'd see the repeat offender now and then, but not enough to be too much of a nuisance. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Dog strontium...@boff.ca wrote: Unfortunately you don't understand the impact that gaming communities have on games. They extend the life of the game by providing a better gaming experience by keeping immature, filth filled jerks out of their communities. Console gaming can be a miserable experience, having to endure some of the moronic elemnt out there. Having the ability to block undesirables is a necessary part of running a community. Players want to come back to a community as they enjoy the experience, without having to worry about any of the garbage that is normally associated with gaming. Kyle is totally correct to ask for something to help the game continue. He is an excellent contributor to this community and only has a genuine interst in keeping the game fun to play. Fortunately, since you will be playing on your LAN with your friends, this should really not matter to you at all. So, TLDR; VALVe, add some way of differentiating between family sharing players. Please and thank you. --Dog On Thursday, October 17, 2013, Servergurl Gamer wrote: SO basically you are such a ban happy badmin that even if someone is using the steam family deal correctly you want to ban anyone associated with that account. It's jerkoffs like you that actually ruin the steam community and anyone that takes anything you say seriously has a mental disorder. You already said it's f2p and so is the serverware, if you invested real money in it you're just plan stupid and deserve all the heartache you create for yourself. May I suggest you run a local network server that way you can play against all your friends (yourself) and ban until your hearts content. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
I agree on this and I know for a fact that many of our players appreciate our servers. Just because we keep them clean from those idiots out that once were in them. Either they used cheats, were griefers, troublemakers, teletrappers, exploiters, constant teamkillers, whatever. They won't get back in and everyone is happy, except them. It's only win-win situation for every casual player who just has a limited time to play on certain moment and they seek the best experience they can get - which is just plain and simple gaming without any distractions. However i don't see family sharing as an issue, atleast not yet but i would also appreciate a cvar that would allow family sharing accounts to enter a server or deny access. (like sv_allow_familysharing_enter 1/0, default 1). Someone who has been banned from a server can just lend the game to his/her alternate accounts to grief and cause issues. Not necessarely using cheats because that would get them banned and sharing blocked. -ics Dog kirjoitti: Unfortunately you don't understand the impact that gaming communities have on games. They extend the life of the game by providing a better gaming experience by keeping immature, filth filled jerks out of their communities. Console gaming can be a miserable experience, having to endure some of the moronic elemnt out there. Having the ability to block undesirables is a necessary part of running a community. Players want to come back to a community as they enjoy the experience, without having to worry about any of the garbage that is normally associated with gaming. Kyle is totally correct to ask for something to help the game continue. He is an excellent contributor to this community and only has a genuine interst in keeping the game fun to play. Fortunately, since you will be playing on your LAN with your friends, this should really not matter to you at all. So, TLDR; VALVe, add some way of differentiating between family sharing players. Please and thank you. --Dog On Thursday, October 17, 2013, Servergurl Gamer wrote: SO basically you are such a ban happy badmin that even if someone is using the steam family deal correctly you want to ban anyone associated with that account. It's jerkoffs like you that actually ruin the steam community and anyone that takes anything you say seriously has a mental disorder. You already said it's f2p and so is the serverware, if you invested real money in it you're just plan stupid and deserve all the heartache you create for yourself. May I suggest you run a local network server that way you can play against all your friends (yourself) and ban until your hearts content. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass.
On 2013/10/18 03:38, N-Gon wrote: I agree with Dog. However, I would also like to note that with SourceMod you could ban the users by IP. Sure they can change it, but most of the trolls are either too stupid to figure out how or too stupid to figure out how to do it quickly. Meaning you'd see the repeat offender now and then, but not enough to be too much of a nuisance. I'd like to note that for broadband providers in my area it is quite common to hand out a different IP on every dial in, while a connection with that same IP can be kept alive for 24 hours at maximum. Hence I would never bother to ban by IP if the ban is supposed to be longer than a few hours. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
