Re: [hlds] Web server
- Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] It amuses me that some people think that there are not people on this list who aren't dealing with 100,000 hits a day, and who's web traffic is measured in terabytes/month. Yeah no joke. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Well I'm looking at doing this currently as a hobby and a learning experience. I have just started reading into setting up a CSS dedicated server, and when a couple of parts that are on order come in I plan to get that running and then from the same box as the CSS server I would run a Web Server for putting up stats from psycho stats. I don't want to have to pay for anything extra except for my Internet connection. I'm already paying enough for that. I'm just want to take my time and do this as kind of a hobby project until I get good at the web setup and running the server, then as I get more hardware and get a really good server running I would go for a more professional setup and maybe even start my own clan or something. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tucker Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:04 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server With regard to all the bullcrap about security and performance, I suggest you all go read some whitepapers and shut up. IIS has been built in many major environments combining multihomed multifaceted hybrid database environments and outperformed with massive margins ALL other competitors - some of the advantages of dynamic algorithms that are so heavily researched inside of Microsoft coding labs and FEW OTHER places on the planet. This isn't overly important though, as there isn't a single person on this list who likely has a clue what kind of environment I describe. Gaming isn't everything ;) To answer the question of security - when properly configured neither present any significant threat to your infrastructure. I would recommend starting to read at a news site like securityfocus or the like and begin reading IIS/Apache best-practice guidelines if you are concerned about security. You will want a clear understanding of your firewall infrastructure aswell, luckily for you there will be no issue with DPI firewalls messing with your application sessions. FYI the suggested extensions have currently known threats that massively outweigh either choice of web application server daemon, which is somewhat ironic, especially given the pretentiously knowledgable tone. If you want to install a basic web server on your box, why not try browsing for some guides on the net, google turns up all kinds see: http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/network/0,39044847,39189556,00.htm (example). It was right of people to say though, that this is not the place for these questions. You should look on a hosting mailing list. Out of interest, just how cheap are we talking, I mean it's less than a sweet a month for hosting these days. If you really have that much trouble finding affordable hosting, then mail me off the list and I'll help you out. On 8/4/05, OoksServer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIS is swisscheese software. If not properly patched it is like hanging out a sign saying Here I Am, Hack Me!. I personally would never host a site with IIS. www.apache.org Throw in PHP and MySQL and maybe some PERL scripts and you have all you need. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community. But the short of it is that to setup a windows XP to host a website you need to use IIS. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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On 8/5/05, Clayton Macleod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, multi-million/multi-billion dollar companies are worried about paying for iis, you're right... Actually, many of them are. The reason is that in fact, it's not just IIS you buy is it? And you wouldn't want to host off of un-managed workstations now would you? IIS' advantages are not as a static page web server, meaning it is highly likely that IIS is not your sole purchase. As with every deployment of every project everywhere, the designers will choose a product based upon the project criteria, IIS and apache do not necessarily fit the same projects. FYI the web servers which have these levels of load are not web-public. There are very few web-public sites which require a massively sophisiticated web server, even for what would be considered 3rd Term Traffic. Global corporate intranet servers used on a per-minute basis by most members of departments on the other hand can ruck up 100,000 hits during coffee time. End of discussion. On 8/4/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is, apache is free. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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says you ;) On 8/5/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: End of discussion. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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On 8/5/05, Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I'm looking at doing this currently as a hobby and a learning experience. No problem. I have just started reading into setting up a CSS dedicated server, and when a couple of parts that are on order come in I plan to get that running and then from the same box as the CSS server I would run a Web Server for putting up stats from psycho stats. Become familiar with RCON first, try HLSW just so you get a more intuitive idea of how these things can tie together (notice the way the logging system works). With regard to psycho stats you'll need to follow their installation instructions carefully, and ensure that you have all of the pre-requisites installed. This may in fact be your deciding factor in choosing a web server daemon. I don't want to have to pay for anything extra except for my Internet connection. I'm already paying enough for that. Your internet connection will be severely limited by it's upload bandwidth (unless you're one very lucky individual). I'm guessing you're in the US and thus probably not on SDSL or better. I'm just want to take my time and do this as kind of a hobby project until I get good at the web setup and running the server, then as I get more hardware and get a really good server running I would go for a more professional setup and maybe even start my own clan or something. I would strongly recommend you don't do this from home unless you happen to have a significantly better connection than I am expecting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tucker Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:04 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server With regard to all the bullcrap about security and performance, I suggest you all go read some whitepapers and shut up. IIS has been built in many major environments combining multihomed multifaceted hybrid database environments and outperformed with massive margins ALL other competitors - some of the advantages of dynamic algorithms that are so heavily researched inside of Microsoft coding labs and FEW OTHER places on the planet. This isn't overly important though, as there isn't a single person on this list who likely has a clue what kind of environment I describe. Gaming isn't everything ;) To answer the question of security - when properly configured neither present any significant threat to your infrastructure. I would recommend starting to read at a news site like securityfocus or the like and begin reading IIS/Apache best-practice guidelines if you are concerned about security. You will want a clear understanding of your firewall infrastructure aswell, luckily for you there will be no issue with DPI firewalls messing with your application sessions. FYI the suggested extensions have currently known threats that massively outweigh either choice of web application server daemon, which is somewhat ironic, especially given the pretentiously knowledgable tone. If you want to install a basic web server on your box, why not try browsing for some guides on the net, google turns up all kinds see: http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/network/0,39044847,39189556,00.htm (example). It was right of people to say though, that this is not the place for these questions. You should look on a hosting mailing list. Out of interest, just how cheap are we talking, I mean it's less than a sweet a month for hosting these days. If you really have that much trouble finding affordable hosting, then mail me off the list and I'll help you out. On 8/4/05, OoksServer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIS is swisscheese software. If not properly patched it is like hanging out a sign saying Here I Am, Hack Me!. I personally would never host a site with IIS. www.apache.org Throw in PHP and MySQL and maybe some PERL scripts and you have all you need. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community. But the short of it is that to setup a windows XP to host a website you need to use IIS. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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At times I wonder if this mailing list is more for bitch fests than explaining and figuring out problems with HLDS/SCRDS Geezit seems at times this list likes to blow up and it always ends up being a linux vs. unix enviroment.When in the end it ends up being the end user making the difference.End story in the whole question of this posting. You have Windows XP.If you want something faster than having to download it.And you have xp pro.IIS is built in you just have to install it. If you want to play around and learn apache or IIS download or install off you cd what you want.Both are equally less secure.Both are equally just as fast.Both are equally just as stable.I have run both and both have their ups and downs.In the end the only way you can answer the question Which is better? is to try both and figure it out for your own.Cause nobody has the same requirements or system setups. /End of Line BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Well I'm In the US Air Force and currently stationed in Ramstein Germany. I have a DSL connection with 6mbs dl and 786kbs upload and am working on getting them to bump up my upload speed some more. But I figured I could run a 16 player server and have just a simple mainly text based site with only a couple of tiny graphics website running on the same machine, and besides I doubt the website will get much traffic except from my friends and family that would be playing on it so I'm guessing it wont affect the game server too much as far as internet bandwidth is concerned. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tucker Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:46 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server On 8/5/05, Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I'm looking at doing this currently as a hobby and a learning experience. No problem. I have just started reading into setting up a CSS dedicated server, and when a couple of parts that are on order come in I plan to get that running and then from the same box as the CSS server I would run a Web Server for putting up stats from psycho stats. Become familiar with RCON first, try HLSW just so you get a more intuitive idea of how these things can tie together (notice the way the logging system works). With regard to psycho stats you'll need to follow their installation instructions carefully, and ensure that you have all of the pre-requisites installed. This may in fact be your deciding factor in choosing a web server daemon. I don't want to have to pay for anything extra except for my Internet connection. I'm already paying enough for that. Your internet connection will be severely limited by it's upload bandwidth (unless you're one very lucky individual). I'm guessing you're in the US and thus probably not on SDSL or better. I'm just want to take my time and do this as kind of a hobby project until I get good at the web setup and running the server, then as I get more hardware and get a really good server running I would go for a more professional setup and maybe even start my own clan or something. I would strongly recommend you don't do this from home unless you happen to have a significantly better connection than I am expecting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tucker Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:04 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server With regard to all the bullcrap about security and performance, I suggest you all go read some whitepapers and shut up. IIS has been built in many major environments combining multihomed multifaceted hybrid database environments and outperformed with massive margins ALL other competitors - some of the advantages of dynamic algorithms that are so heavily researched inside of Microsoft coding labs and FEW OTHER places on the planet. This isn't overly important though, as there isn't a single person on this list who likely has a clue what kind of environment I describe. Gaming isn't everything ;) To answer the question of security - when properly configured neither present any significant threat to your infrastructure. I would recommend starting to read at a news site like securityfocus or the like and begin reading IIS/Apache best-practice guidelines if you are concerned about security. You will want a clear understanding of your firewall infrastructure aswell, luckily for you there will be no issue with DPI firewalls messing with your application sessions. FYI the suggested extensions have currently known threats that massively outweigh either choice of web application server daemon, which is somewhat ironic, especially given the pretentiously knowledgable tone. If you want to install a basic web server on your box, why not try browsing for some guides on the net, google turns up all kinds see: http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/network/0,39044847,39189556,00.htm (example). It was right of people to say though, that this is not the place for these questions. You should look on a hosting mailing list. Out of interest, just how cheap are we talking, I mean it's less than a sweet a month for hosting these days. If you really have that much trouble finding affordable hosting, then mail me off the list and I'll help you out. On 8/4/05, OoksServer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIS is swisscheese software. If not properly patched it is like hanging out a sign saying Here I Am, Hack Me!. I personally would never host a site with IIS. www.apache.org Throw in PHP and MySQL and maybe some PERL scripts and you have all you need. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community
RE: [hlds] Web server
Just curious, but how many people have used both. These fights are starting to sound like all the other fan boy fights like windows or Linux, Intel or AMD, NVIDIA or ati. In most of those cases I've found a lot of people have only used one product for so long that they get attached and no matter what think it's better, where I have found that it all depends on what you want to do one will be better in some instances and in others the other is better, and ultimately they both are really close and it's which you prefer based on your criteria. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton Macleod Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:52 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server like I said, both camps claim better performance. You just happen to be in the IIS camp. There are just as many in the apache camp that show apache performing better. The fact that you were able to get better performance out of IIS doesn't necessarily mean anything more than you have more IIS knowledge... On 8/5/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: putting one name before the other. Frankly, screw that. I have deployed BOTH (no names required this time) in very high volume and very low volume environments. One product has outperformed the other IN BOTH scenarios depending on the final layer of development that WE put on top. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I have used both, but used Linux very little (mostly to teach my self how to setup web services). Mostly IIS becasue the clients I contact for required a windows based solution, and the ease of using IIS out wieghts the fight with the client to switch to Lunix. All fairness aside, what ever the client wants they get. From: Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:30:53 +0200 Just curious, but how many people have used both. These fights are starting to sound like all the other fan boy fights like windows or Linux, Intel or AMD, NVIDIA or ati. In most of those cases I've found a lot of people have only used one product for so long that they get attached and no matter what think it's better, where I have found that it all depends on what you want to do one will be better in some instances and in others the other is better, and ultimately they both are really close and it's which you prefer based on your criteria. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton Macleod Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:52 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server like I said, both camps claim better performance. You just happen to be in the IIS camp. There are just as many in the apache camp that show apache performing better. The fact that you were able to get better performance out of IIS doesn't necessarily mean anything more than you have more IIS knowledge... On 8/5/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: putting one name before the other. Frankly, screw that. I have deployed BOTH (no names required this time) in very high volume and very low volume environments. One product has outperformed the other IN BOTH scenarios depending on the final layer of development that WE put on top. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Thank you for the correction, I had forgoten that XP ended up with a connection limitation. From: James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:36:17 +0100 On 8/5/05, Dustin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about the Apache, but I use IIS 6 and 5 for both Windows Server 2003 and Windows Server 2000/Windows XP PRO and have had well over 100 connections at a time. So I don't belive he will have a limitation there. There are some major limitations with Windows XP both on the networking and the application server layers. These are all well documented on MSDN and TechNet and DO NOT apply to the Windows Server product line. There's a dirty trick to lift IIS 5.1 on XP to allow 40 concurrent connections, but IIRC it won't go any higher. It's a property of the w3cservice IIRC. Just make sure you do not try to setup IIS 5 under XP Home edition, It is not avaible so you would be forced to use Apache in that event. true. - Original Message - From: Jordan Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server Wow, I can't believe this debate is ... so heated. Indeed. The guy just wants to host a few pages on his home connection, I doubt the page is going to be a high profile target for any non-obvious 0-day security vulnerability (all major http daemons have had their fare share in recent years) My responses regarding security were merely pointing out that neither is more secure by default - sure one comes on a cd and so needs updating, but what the hell, apache *never* get's updated. I should give up laughing and start crying. Nor are the performance differences going to matter for a few likely static pages. Wow, another true statement, this mails on fire :) My advice, if the original poster hasn't run to the hills We can hope not. IIS [Consumer/Limited flavor] Pro's: 1. GUI Interface for setup. therefore you might find it more intuitive IIS Cons [I'm not up to date here, unfortunately]: 1. Limited to 10 concurrent connections (maybe less?, not really an issue though here) This can be lifted to 40 IIRC. Try looking on google for the answer. Apache Win32 Pros: ( www.apache.org ) 1. Flat httpd.conf file for setup, which is fairly simple if you read the comments, also makes one-step restoration of default settings and soforth possible 2. No connection limits or anything of the sort In response to 2 - there are still limits within the XP networking subsystem as of service pack 2. In general these aren't going to be important for hosting over DSL though. Apache Win32 Cons: 1. httpd.conf isn't always that simple, especially at first I personally prefer Apache2 Win32 for my own similar small stuff, since the artificial connection limit of IIS bothers me on a subconcious level, and I feel more at home with a .conf file than an obfuscated GUI, But that doesn't apply to everyone. I'm surprised that no one has suggested minihttpd as yet. Hell what about going and finding one of the example web server applications available for most programming languages? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I have been a professional Tomcat (apache) developer aswell as being involved in both consultancy and development cycles of some very major .NET deployments (supported by IIS). Both were large collaborative projects and both came to fruition. On 8/5/05, Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, but how many people have used both. These fights are starting to sound like all the other fan boy fights like windows or Linux, Intel or AMD, NVIDIA or ati. In most of those cases I've found a lot of people have only used one product for so long that they get attached and no matter what think it's better, where I have found that it all depends on what you want to do one will be better in some instances and in others the other is better, and ultimately they both are really close and it's which you prefer based on your criteria. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton Macleod Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:52 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server like I said, both camps claim better performance. You just happen to be in the IIS camp. There are just as many in the apache camp that show apache performing better. The fact that you were able to get better performance out of IIS doesn't necessarily mean anything more than you have more IIS knowledge... On 8/5/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: putting one name before the other. Frankly, screw that. I have deployed BOTH (no names required this time) in very high volume and very low volume environments. One product has outperformed the other IN BOTH scenarios depending on the final layer of development that WE put on top. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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On that note...I have a dual core, dual cpu Opteron 1U sitting next to me (Tyan GX28 B2881) shipping next week to Equinix in Chicago for game hosting. OS = Win2k3 Enterprise Server x64. I'll be happy to post results once it's in colo. As for compatability so far...flawless. Little game I had to play with installing the HLDSupdatetool (try it on 64bit and you'll see). Makes a lot of noise with 9 x 15K/rpm fans but runs like a champ. Will most likely report in a separate thread when the time comes. Should be in full service by mid-month. Ray S. RaynServ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:52 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server I have ran Intel and AMD prefer the AMD for the 64 Bit Processor and looking to expand to the Dual Core. But just a Preference. As for operating Systems, Lynux, Unix, AIX, Windows. Each have thier benefits But host Game on Win X64... Just hate having the Guns and no ammo to drive the 64 Bit Processor. Again just Preference. On the Web Server outside hosted and it is Lynux. My Two Cents... - Original Message - From: Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server Just curious, but how many people have used both. These fights are starting to sound like all the other fan boy fights like windows or Linux, Intel or AMD, NVIDIA or ati. In most of those cases I've found a lot of people have only used one product for so long that they get attached and no matter what think it's better, where I have found that it all depends on what you want to do one will be better in some instances and in others the other is better, and ultimately they both are really close and it's which you prefer based on your criteria. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton Macleod Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:52 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server like I said, both camps claim better performance. You just happen to be in the IIS camp. There are just as many in the apache camp that show apache performing better. The fact that you were able to get better performance out of IIS doesn't necessarily mean anything more than you have more IIS knowledge... On 8/5/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: putting one name before the other. Frankly, screw that. I have deployed BOTH (no names required this time) in very high volume and very low volume environments. One product has outperformed the other IN BOTH scenarios depending on the final layer of development that WE put on top. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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How do you set up windows XP to host a website on the web? What I'm trying to do is create a website for people to view their stats and rankings and such, and I can also add a link to launch and connect them to my server, on the same machine I'm hosting my CSS server. I'm looking for the cheap as in free way of doing so. I currently have a free URL name that'll work for now from DynDNS. I want to host the site from my home box so eventually when I get more professional at hosting the server and creating the website I can add more stuff to the website and most sites that host for free or little money limit you on the number of pages you can use or the size of your site, or both. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: hlds digest, Vol 1 #3887 - 7 msgs Send hlds mailing list submissions to hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of hlds digest... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Not true dude, what about Jakarta Tomcat/Apache with PHP/MYSQL? I use this both at work and home with great success. Apache is much more versatile and secure than IIS, IMHO ONLY. Use what you are comfortable with, but never believe you only have 1 choice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Tuttle Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:14 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community. But the short of it is that to setup a windows XP to host a website you need to use IIS. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:50 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Web server How do you set up windows XP to host a website on the web? What I'm trying to do is create a website for people to view their stats and rankings and such, and I can also add a link to launch and connect them to my server, on the same machine I'm hosting my CSS server. I'm looking for the cheap as in free way of doing so. I currently have a free URL name that'll work for now from DynDNS. I want to host the site from my home box so eventually when I get more professional at hosting the server and creating the website I can add more stuff to the website and most sites that host for free or little money limit you on the number of pages you can use or the size of your site, or both. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: hlds digest, Vol 1 #3887 - 7 msgs Send hlds mailing list submissions to hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of hlds digest... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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- Original Message - From: Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] How do you set up windows XP to host a website on the web? Is it on the same box as your css server?Or do you have a dedicated box rented or colocated somewhere? The answer to your question is goto add/remove programs---Add/Remove Windows Components--Check mark Internet Information Services(IIS) and click next.Make sure you have your windows xp cd handy or the I386 directy on your hard drive.Either that or go download apache if you are half decent at setting up stuff.Beware though both have their ups and downs.I found IIS is very good once you figure out the bugs and nuances.Also if you ever move your stats to a dedicated server on a good backbone you can do fast downloads to your CSS server!Anywho hope it helps you out. BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I was just giving a quick answer. I wouldn't use apache on Windows but that's just me. I believe in using software that was writing for the specific platform and apache was writing primarily for the Linux platform. I run windows server on a windows box and I run linux software on a linux box. I have used apache on windows and found it to be a little buggy. Maybe this is all fixed. I think back to trying to run gimp on windows as well. Many times, a port to windows isn't as good as software that was originally written for windows. So in that sense you are right. You don't have to run IIS on windows xp. But in this gentlemans case I wouldn't recommend running php/mysql because of the extra resources required to server up dynamic sites. He should probably stick with psychosts 1.9.1 if he wants give stats for the servers. Let it generate static pages so that you don't have to use php and mysql. The whole linux is more secure than windows is a tired argument. They all are secure as you make them. If you run insecure scripts on you apache install then your system will be insecure. If you leave all your ports open and run services you don't need then you are less secure. But you take your server and turn off all unnecessary services and close all unnecessary ports linux and windows will be equally secure. But that's just my opinion. I like linux and run my webserver on a linux machine and I am no Microsoft junkie. If I could run all my software (productivity apps and games) on linux (with good performance) I would switch. But until that day is possible, I use what I must. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rice, Rick Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:29 AM To: 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com' Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server Not true dude, what about Jakarta Tomcat/Apache with PHP/MYSQL? I use this both at work and home with great success. Apache is much more versatile and secure than IIS, IMHO ONLY. Use what you are comfortable with, but never believe you only have 1 choice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Tuttle Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:14 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community. But the short of it is that to setup a windows XP to host a website you need to use IIS. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:50 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Web server How do you set up windows XP to host a website on the web? What I'm trying to do is create a website for people to view their stats and rankings and such, and I can also add a link to launch and connect them to my server, on the same machine I'm hosting my CSS server. I'm looking for the cheap as in free way of doing so. I currently have a free URL name that'll work for now from DynDNS. I want to host the site from my home box so eventually when I get more professional at hosting the server and creating the website I can add more stuff to the website and most sites that host for free or little money limit you on the number of pages you can use or the size of your site, or both. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: hlds digest, Vol 1 #3887 - 7 msgs Send hlds mailing list submissions to hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of hlds digest... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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IIS is swisscheese software. If not properly patched it is like hanging out a sign saying Here I Am, Hack Me!. I personally would never host a site with IIS. www.apache.org Throw in PHP and MySQL and maybe some PERL scripts and you have all you need. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community. But the short of it is that to setup a windows XP to host a website you need to use IIS. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Heh... Here we go again! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OoksServer Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:46 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server IIS is swisscheese software. If not properly patched it is like hanging out a sign saying Here I Am, Hack Me!. I personally would never host a site with IIS. www.apache.org Throw in PHP and MySQL and maybe some PERL scripts and you have all you need. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community. But the short of it is that to setup a windows XP to host a website you need to use IIS. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Yeah, I should have kept my mouth shutI actually typed up a long reply, but decided to delete it instead of sending it :) - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server Heh... Here we go again! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OoksServer Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:46 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server IIS is swisscheese software. If not properly patched it is like hanging out a sign saying Here I Am, Hack Me!. I personally would never host a site with IIS. www.apache.org Throw in PHP and MySQL and maybe some PERL scripts and you have all you need. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community. But the short of it is that to setup a windows XP to host a website you need to use IIS. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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LOL...the funniest thing about all of your replies to the dude asking the original question (and who likely doesn't know squat about setting up or running a website--or he wouldn't have posted the question here) is that your responses are like discussing the detailed blueprints of the electrical circuitry from a microwave oven with him. I'm betting that the dude was expecting to hear something like: Just put in your cup of Ramen Noodles, and press the soup button to heat it up. LOL! - Original Message - From: OoksServer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server Yeah, I should have kept my mouth shutI actually typed up a long reply, but decided to delete it instead of sending it :) - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server Heh... Here we go again! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OoksServer Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:46 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server IIS is swisscheese software. If not properly patched it is like hanging out a sign saying Here I Am, Hack Me!. I personally would never host a site with IIS. www.apache.org Throw in PHP and MySQL and maybe some PERL scripts and you have all you need. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community. But the short of it is that to setup a windows XP to host a website you need to use IIS. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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With regard to all the bullcrap about security and performance, I suggest you all go read some whitepapers and shut up. IIS has been built in many major environments combining multihomed multifaceted hybrid database environments and outperformed with massive margins ALL other competitors - some of the advantages of dynamic algorithms that are so heavily researched inside of Microsoft coding labs and FEW OTHER places on the planet. This isn't overly important though, as there isn't a single person on this list who likely has a clue what kind of environment I describe. Gaming isn't everything ;) To answer the question of security - when properly configured neither present any significant threat to your infrastructure. I would recommend starting to read at a news site like securityfocus or the like and begin reading IIS/Apache best-practice guidelines if you are concerned about security. You will want a clear understanding of your firewall infrastructure aswell, luckily for you there will be no issue with DPI firewalls messing with your application sessions. FYI the suggested extensions have currently known threats that massively outweigh either choice of web application server daemon, which is somewhat ironic, especially given the pretentiously knowledgable tone. If you want to install a basic web server on your box, why not try browsing for some guides on the net, google turns up all kinds see: http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/network/0,39044847,39189556,00.htm (example). It was right of people to say though, that this is not the place for these questions. You should look on a hosting mailing list. Out of interest, just how cheap are we talking, I mean it's less than a sweet a month for hosting these days. If you really have that much trouble finding affordable hosting, then mail me off the list and I'll help you out. On 8/4/05, OoksServer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIS is swisscheese software. If not properly patched it is like hanging out a sign saying Here I Am, Hack Me!. I personally would never host a site with IIS. www.apache.org Throw in PHP and MySQL and maybe some PERL scripts and you have all you need. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community. But the short of it is that to setup a windows XP to host a website you need to use IIS. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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bah, there are no conclusive peer-reviewed numbers anywhere. You can find just as many 'apache wins' articles as you can 'iis wins' articles. But there certainly has to be a reason for so many huge places not using iis... On 8/4/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With regard to all the bullcrap about security and performance, I suggest you all go read some whitepapers and shut up. IIS has been built in many major environments combining multihomed multifaceted hybrid database environments and outperformed with massive margins ALL other competitors - some of the advantages of dynamic algorithms that are so heavily researched inside of Microsoft coding labs and FEW OTHER places on the planet. This isn't overly important though, as there isn't a single person on this list who likely has a clue what kind of environment I describe. Gaming isn't everything ;) snip -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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yes, multi-million/multi-billion dollar companies are worried about paying for iis, you're right... On 8/4/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is, apache is free. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Wow, I can't believe this debate is ... so heated. The guy just wants to host a few pages on his home connection, I doubt the page is going to be a high profile target for any non-obvious 0-day security vulnerability (all major http daemons have had their fare share in recent years) Nor are the performance differences going to matter for a few likely static pages. My advice, if the original poster hasn't run to the hills IIS [Consumer/Limited flavor] Pro's: 1. GUI Interface for setup. therefore you might find it more intuitive IIS Cons [I'm not up to date here, unfortunately]: 1. Limited to 10 concurrent connections (maybe less?, not really an issue though here) Apache Win32 Pros: ( www.apache.org ) 1. Flat httpd.conf file for setup, which is fairly simple if you read the comments, also makes one-step restoration of default settings and soforth possible 2. No connection limits or anything of the sort Apache Win32 Cons: 1. httpd.conf isn't always that simple, especially at first I personally prefer Apache2 Win32 for my own similar small stuff, since the artificial connection limit of IIS bothers me on a subconcious level, and I feel more at home with a .conf file than an obfuscated GUI, But that doesn't apply to everyone. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
