Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
You clearly weren't around a few months ago when this was the talk of the town in these parts. Pretty much, every likely and unlikely scenario was explored, including unpopular normal servers and servers with less traffic. Only servers with extremely high player connections and extremely high player-disconnects-with-minimal-playtimes will receive the lowest of the low scores. As was said hundreds of time, the delist system is meant to catch the worst of the worst. There is no way to view your server ranking since that would just create a new level of epeen comparing. You don't need to worry about your ranking unless you are using questionable practices like redirect servers and/or fake clients. I'm also pretty sure that Steam Support doesn't read this list so they probably aren't aware of the delisting issue, so I'm not surprised they don't know about this stuff. Oh and by the way, it's not automatic. Servers are manually delisted. On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 12:11 +, shorec...@comcast.net wrote: So a new server that has people join, then decide they don't like the configuration can unfairly get delisted... oops.. forgot, Valve doesn't delist. - Original Message - From: Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 6:45:29 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support... You do not get delisted for having less traffic, you get delisted for having much traffic and having most players immediately leave. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
If I remember correctly, you are delisted based on your server rank, which is calculated when people join and leave your server. If people leave your server after not a lot of time then you will have a low server rank, and hence be delisted. Valve isn't delisting your server because you have fake clients, they're delisting it because people don't like your server (probably because you have fake clients!!). System working as intended. shorec...@comcast.net wrote: Good news people! Valve doesn't delist servers! At least according to their highly trained support staff!! = Please enter your reply ABOVE this line = Hello, A staff member has replied to your question: Andy, Steam does not delist servers. Anytime you wish you can view your question online: Oh, but wait! Yes they DO! http://www.mail-archive.com/hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com/msg51870.html Directly from Erik Johnson: Right now, we're not trying to provide a finely tuned quality difference between servers to players looking for a server. Instead, we're focused on finding and removing the very worst servers...Delistings are temporary (1 month right now) Apparently having 6 fake clients qualifies you as one of the very worst servers. I removed my fake clients plugin and changed the IP and BAM! The server was listed again! Valve refuses to talk to me about this in a support ticket because they don't support their own server software. They suggested I visit the forums. I'm sorry, but no one in the forums can address that issue. Only Valve can. Ya gotta love support drones! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
What's this server rank thing? I've heard a little about it, but haven't paid attention to it. Under the new IP, it's listed in the server list just like any other server. - Original Message - From: Steve Colebourne steve.colebou...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: steve colebourne steve.colebou...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:25:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support... If I remember correctly, you are delisted based on your server rank, which is calculated when people join and leave your server. If people leave your server after not a lot of time then you will have a low server rank, and hence be delisted. Valve isn't delisting your server because you have fake clients, they're delisting it because people don't like your server (probably because you have fake clients!!). System working as intended. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2338 shorec...@comcast.net wrote: What's this server rank thing? I've heard a little about it, but haven't paid attention to it. Under the new IP, it's listed in the server list just like any other server. - Original Message - From: Steve Colebourne steve.colebou...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: steve colebourne steve.colebou...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:25:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support... If I remember correctly, you are delisted based on your server rank, which is calculated when people join and leave your server. If people leave your server after not a lot of time then you will have a low server rank, and hence be delisted. Valve isn't delisting your server because you have fake clients, they're delisting it because people don't like your server (probably because you have fake clients!!). System working as intended. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
If a majority of players leave soon after they've joined your server could be delisted as this is usually caused by for example fake clients or extreme lag. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:43 AM, shorec...@comcast.net wrote: What's this server rank thing? I've heard a little about it, but haven't paid attention to it. Under the new IP, it's listed in the server list just like any other server. - Original Message - From: Steve Colebourne steve.colebou...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: steve colebourne steve.colebou...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:25:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support... If I remember correctly, you are delisted based on your server rank, which is calculated when people join and leave your server. If people leave your server after not a lot of time then you will have a low server rank, and hence be delisted. Valve isn't delisting your server because you have fake clients, they're delisting it because people don't like your server (probably because you have fake clients!!). System working as intended. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
Ah, more evidence for me to give to the support drone that Valve does indeed delist servers. Anyway, is there a way for players to access these 'rankings' to decide what servers to join or is Valve just delisting what it deams to be 'bad' servers with no way to see how the servers actually rank? Seems kinda unfair, though, for unpopular servers. Just because a server doesn't get much traffic, it should be penalized and not be given a chance to become more popular? - Original Message - From: Steve Colebourne steve.colebou...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: steve colebourne steve.colebou...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:46:57 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support... http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2338 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
You do not get delisted for having less traffic, you get delisted for having much traffic and having most players immediately leave. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:21 PM, shorec...@comcast.net wrote: Ah, more evidence for me to give to the support drone that Valve does indeed delist servers. Anyway, is there a way for players to access these 'rankings' to decide what servers to join or is Valve just delisting what it deams to be 'bad' servers with no way to see how the servers actually rank? Seems kinda unfair, though, for unpopular servers. Just because a server doesn't get much traffic, it should be penalized and not be given a chance to become more popular? - Original Message - From: Steve Colebourne steve.colebou...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: steve colebourne steve.colebou...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:46:57 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support... http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2338 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
It really depends what you deem fair. It was explained in the blog post that the only servers getting delisted are those at the extreme bottom end of the scale. The system was developed to catch people who were poorly advertising their servers, and in particular, running fake clients. Given that, your objection to being delisted seems to have little weight, having said that you have fake clients running on your server. shorec...@comcast.net wrote: So a new server that has people join, then decide they don't like the configuration can unfairly get delisted... oops.. forgot, Valve doesn't delist. - Original Message - From: Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 6:45:29 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support... You do not get delisted for having less traffic, you get delisted for having much traffic and having most players immediately leave. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
If people are having to ACTUALLY JOIN your server to figure out you're running some esoteric config that they don't like, then You're Doing It Wrong; that's what the server title (and server tags) are for, among other things. Also, a new server can't trigger this; there's a minimum level of connections needed before you can be considered for delisting. Also, the system is NOT on a hair trigger; for all the theoretical what if this really unlikely chain of events discussions that took place, I can't remember a single instance on the list of someone being delisted who wasn't misrepresenting their server to the users. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of shorec...@comcast.net Sent: 30 May 2009 13:11 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support... So a new server that has people join, then decide they don't like the configuration can unfairly get delisted... oops.. forgot, Valve doesn't delist. - Original Message - From: Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 6:45:29 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support... You do not get delisted for having less traffic, you get delisted for having much traffic and having most players immediately leave. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
gamead...@127001.org wrote: Also, the system is NOT on a hair trigger; for all the theoretical what if this really unlikely chain of events discussions that took place, I can't remember a single instance on the list of someone being delisted who wasn't misrepresenting their server to the users. Thats not actually true. I've seen servers delisted which where doing nothing out of the ordinary - however, getting a reply out of Valve about it was almost impossible. Also, Saint K got both L4D TF2 server(s) delisted for running a bball server. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to postmas...@multiplay.co.uk. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
so delisting is working dan ? 2009/5/30 Dan Offord li...@multiplay.co.uk gamead...@127001.org wrote: Also, the system is NOT on a hair trigger; for all the theoretical what if this really unlikely chain of events discussions that took place, I can't remember a single instance on the list of someone being delisted who wasn't misrepresenting their server to the users. Thats not actually true. I've seen servers delisted which where doing nothing out of the ordinary - however, getting a reply out of Valve about it was almost impossible. Also, Saint K got both L4D TF2 server(s) delisted for running a bball server. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to postmas...@multiplay.co.uk. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
First off, as explained in my original post, I don't have the fake clients plugin running anymore. Also, I don't think having 6 fake clients put my server at the extreme bottom. Then again, the purpose of this post wasn't to debate the fake clients plugin, it was to emphasis the fact that Valve support is nothing but drones and don't know what they're talking about. Either that or Valve doesn't really delist servers. - Original Message - From: Steve Colebourne steve.colebou...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: steve colebourne steve.colebou...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 8:41:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support... It really depends what you deem fair. It was explained in the blog post that the only servers getting delisted are those at the extreme bottom end of the scale. The system was developed to catch people who were poorly advertising their servers, and in particular, running fake clients. Given that, your objection to being delisted seems to have little weight, having said that you have fake clients running on your server. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
I would assume that the delisting only occurs on the main server browser On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:40 AM, shorec...@comcast.net wrote: No, because Valve doesn't delist servers, just like support says. If they DID delist servers (maybe there's a remote chance support was wrong?), it only removes the server from the main browser, not favorites, X-Fire, game-monitor.com, etc... - Original Message - From: Nightbox alexandrualexa...@gmail.comhttps://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0to=alexandrualexa...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.comhttps://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0to=h...@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:08:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support... so delisting is working dan ? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve doesn't delist servers according to support...
Well, they now admit that they do delist servers: I'm sorry about the wrong information, you are indeed correct about the listings and delistings. Unfortunately we do not have access to this information. I'm sorry but we can not assist you further in this issue. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
