Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Language Learning Courseware
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 03:01, Seth Woodworth s...@isforinsects.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Neal Scogin neal.sco...@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM Subject: [support-gang] Language Learning Courseware To: Laptop Support support-g...@laptop.org I am developing courseware (a complete methodology) that utilizes Sugar (primarily the collaboration - mesh networking features) to learn languages. I have recently found someone to help me with Arabic and so now I am working on Arabic-English and Spanish-English. I am interested in using the International Phonetic Alphabet for some of the work. I would like to have some software that can evaluate spoken language to check for pronunciation. When I purchased some Spanish learning software years ago that was one of the features. Obviously, I am looking for open source software. In addition, any advice on software tools for the courseware will be appreciated. Hi Neal, this sounds like an awesome project. I have found the following regarding pronunciation evaluation: https://www.stanford.edu/group/opensource/cgi-bin/wiki/index.php?title=(un)Conference_2008_Notes:_SPHINX_II http://www.google.cz/search?q=related:www.meraka.org.za/pubs/JACBadenhorst.pdf http://www.meraka.org.za/pubs/JACBadenhorst.pdf Hope that helps and feel free to ask any other questions here in IAEP or in sugar-devel: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/ Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] versus, not
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:03 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Fair enough. I agree that *most* people on the list agree that there is not just one right way. And to use a metaphor that has been oft-spoken in the US news of late, Sugar Labs has to have a big tent. Sugar itself has affordances that can be used in support of many educational approaches and virtually any content area. Completely for the big tent, and wide ranging use models. It also means I have to swallow hard when people use things I build in ways that I consider... not particularly good. You might hear me mention that that's a practise that I don't emphasize ;-) cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] educational brew
Costello, Rob R writes: most teachers that i know want to know that any 'innovation' 'addresses the curriculum' ... but this won't overturn the inertia in traditional curriculum content To a teacher, is curriculum the raw state/national standard or is it instead the content of the particular textbook that the school uses? In any case, you're up against a compatibility issue. Students will transfer, sometimes during the school year, and hopefully graduate. An oddball school does a disservice to the students. for example i can see no maths curriculum in the world (i've been looking at lots of them in detail recently) that is doing much more than including a few references to recursion or iteration... (there was more 'programming' in my year 12 course in 1985) Which other math would you eliminate to make room for this, and what will happen to the students if they transfer or graduate without knowing that other math? BTW, though I like computer science too, this stuff isn't that useful. i also fully agree with Kathy that personalisation can mean software intelligently adapts the sequence of lessons... i've seen that in action as well I've been thinking about this. It's really valuable, though not so easy to implement. Let's take 4th grade math as an example: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team/Resources/Curriculum_Chart Suppose you wrote up lessons for all those. You'd get a lot of overlap with the California standard, the Iowa standard, etc. The overlap becomes severe if you add the rest of the grades. Imagine having lessons to cover all standards. To benefit from a given lesson, one must master any prerequisites. This should remind you of building software with the make program or perhaps installing software from RPM packages. Leaving aside the minor issue of review, there is no point to presenting students with old lessons. Leaving aside the minor issue of testing out, there is no point to presenting students with lessons that they have not prepared for. You could set up 4th grade math for Massachusetts as a list of things to master. It's quite similar to setting up a Makefile with a target that exists purely to have a list of prerequisites. This target becomes a goal to reach. Once the goal is chosen, the software supplies lessons as required to reach it. When more than one lesson would be appropriate, allowing student choice could help to keep the student in a good mood for learning. Sadly, a real-world system would also need to provide distraction for the students who are at risk for completing the grade before the end of the year. Traditional schools don't tolerate that well. i know traditional curriculum can get suffocating and dry .. Of course, dealing with suffocating and dry stuff is a valuable life skill. :-/ Sitting down to slog through something boring is not easy for many people. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [bytesforall_readers] Science education (India)
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: Now that India says it will buy 250,000 XOs, we need to involve education NGOs and others there. I haven't seen/read more details than available at http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/india/to_satish_jha_of_olpc_india.html and, http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/india/olpc_india_orders_xo_laptops.html It would perhaps be prudent to assess the where and what of the XO purchase and distribution before ramping up the NGOs to a state of readiness. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work Sent from Pune, MH, India ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] educational brew
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Bill Kerr billk...@gmail.com wrote: The other thing I should have said about rob's post but didn't was that I pretty much agree with all of it as a description of the reality we face, ie. my experiences of being an innovative teacher are similar enough to what rob describes as to make it pointless to quibble about the differences my support for the continuation of widespread unreasonable behaviour (in the xo tradition) is based on acceptance of that reality In my experience, the homeschool community provides a nice space for meaningfully unreasonable behavior. Especially unschoolers. Also, consider research restrictions. It takes from several months to half a year in my county to get all the necessary permissions for an educational study in public schools, whereas it only takes the internal IRB approval to work with homescholers. Families and local communities should not be overlooked as powerful agents of change. -- Cheers, MariaD Make math your own, to make your own math. http://www.naturalmath.com social math site http://groups.google.com/group/naturalmath our email group http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Introduction
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone! /(apologies for more-or-less plagiarizing my fourthgrademaths mailing list introduction)/ My name is Basil Mohamed Gohar, and I'm an avid Fedora free-software user. I am also very interested in free-as-in-freedom educational resources due to my deep dedication advocacy of parental homeschooling of children. I was directed to this list by tomeu on #sugar at irc.freenode.net due to my expressed interest in free curriculum educational resources. I apologize in advance for not yet being up-to-speed on the true nature of the project or the archives, which I intend to peruse to get a better feel for the nature of this list its subscribers. I'm very happy to see an organized effort being made around free open teaching methods, techniques, resources, or whatever else may be relevant to making it easier for parents to teach their own children. I'm looking forward to involving myself more in such efforts in the future. - -- Basil Mohamed Gohar abu_huray...@hidayahonline.org http://www.basilgohar.com/blog/ basilgohar on irc.freenode.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkoAKbQACgkQaVgOCFr0s2JI+gCfUiIsD4+2wpQq7vxs63y34zne kqIAoKeWzy2BS8ITyEIv82S0wLXzpv3L =wNig -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC in Kindergarten
Hi Maria, Are you in touch with the 4th grade math project out of RIT? Thanks! Caroline On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.comwrote: My company has developed some software prototypes for early algebra that could work for 4-6 year olds. I would be interested in adopting these ideas for OLPC, but I'd need some collaborators for that. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Hola Alejandro, I'm currently not aware of any other OLPC or Sugar projects working with children at that age. Most pilots and deployments currently seem to be focused on primary-school children (age 6 to 10). -- Cheers, MariaD Make math your own, to make your own math. http://www.naturalmath.com social math site http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] educational brew
I think that is a great point, Maria. The homeschool community, especially in the US (that I know of), are great at field testing things. They are a resource that should not be overlooked as they are able to make use of new innovation quicker and are unable to afford to be as picky. They tend to make use of free quality programs off the internet. -Kathy -Original Message- From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Maria Droujkova Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:43 AM To: Bill Kerr Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Costello,Rob R Subject: Re: [IAEP] educational brew On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Bill Kerr billk...@gmail.com wrote: The other thing I should have said about rob's post but didn't was that I pretty much agree with all of it as a description of the reality we face, ie. my experiences of being an innovative teacher are similar enough to what rob describes as to make it pointless to quibble about the differences my support for the continuation of widespread unreasonable behaviour (in the xo tradition) is based on acceptance of that reality In my experience, the homeschool community provides a nice space for meaningfully unreasonable behavior. Especially unschoolers. Also, consider research restrictions. It takes from several months to half a year in my county to get all the necessary permissions for an educational study in public schools, whereas it only takes the internal IRB approval to work with homescholers. Families and local communities should not be overlooked as powerful agents of change. -- Cheers, MariaD Make math your own, to make your own math. http://www.naturalmath.com social math site http://groups.google.com/group/naturalmath our email group http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] educational brew
You could set up '4th grade math for Massachusetts' as a list of things to master. It's quite similar to setting up a Makefile with a target that exists purely to have a list of prerequisites. Albert - that is exactly what I was referring to. A set of curriculum to get you started but a good teacher could then go in and adapt the files or make file for their standards (or find a local nerd to help). I referred to Turtle Typing. Being a linux numbskull, I accidentally ran the MAKEFILE and found out that it seeds your lessons. Honestly, I had heard of MAKEFILE but I didn't know what it did. I threw those lessons into a temp folder and replaced them all with my lessons. I'm pretty good at cut and paste so the 5 lessons became 30 lessons and I only got started! The lessons were .lesson files written in python format so you have to figure out what format and data the file needs to run the program the way you want. I'll have to be honest, when I saw Turtle Typing - that is when I figured out how powerful activities can be for sugar. I was able to use sugar to actually do something important that - honestly - no other program could do. Teach typing at a level my son could actually succeed. I might be slow but I get there eventually. -Kathy -Original Message- From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Albert Cahalan Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:04 AM To: ka...@kathyandcalvin.com; costello.ro...@edumail.vic.gov.au; Bill Kerr; iaep Subject: Re: [IAEP] educational brew Costello, Rob R writes: most teachers that i know want to know that any 'innovation' 'addresses the curriculum' ... but this won't overturn the inertia in traditional curriculum content To a teacher, is curriculum the raw state/national standard or is it instead the content of the particular textbook that the school uses? In any case, you're up against a compatibility issue. Students will transfer, sometimes during the school year, and hopefully graduate. An oddball school does a disservice to the students. for example i can see no maths curriculum in the world (i've been looking at lots of them in detail recently) that is doing much more than including a few references to recursion or iteration... (there was more 'programming' in my year 12 course in 1985) Which other math would you eliminate to make room for this, and what will happen to the students if they transfer or graduate without knowing that other math? BTW, though I like computer science too, this stuff isn't that useful. i also fully agree with Kathy that personalisation can mean software intelligently adapts the sequence of lessons... i've seen that in action as well I've been thinking about this. It's really valuable, though not so easy to implement. Let's take 4th grade math as an example: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team/Resources/Curriculum_Chart Suppose you wrote up lessons for all those. You'd get a lot of overlap with the California standard, the Iowa standard, etc. The overlap becomes severe if you add the rest of the grades. Imagine having lessons to cover all standards. To benefit from a given lesson, one must master any prerequisites. This should remind you of building software with the make program or perhaps installing software from RPM packages. Leaving aside the minor issue of review, there is no point to presenting students with old lessons. Leaving aside the minor issue of testing out, there is no point to presenting students with lessons that they have not prepared for. You could set up 4th grade math for Massachusetts as a list of things to master. It's quite similar to setting up a Makefile with a target that exists purely to have a list of prerequisites. This target becomes a goal to reach. Once the goal is chosen, the software supplies lessons as required to reach it. When more than one lesson would be appropriate, allowing student choice could help to keep the student in a good mood for learning. Sadly, a real-world system would also need to provide distraction for the students who are at risk for completing the grade before the end of the year. Traditional schools don't tolerate that well. i know traditional curriculum can get suffocating and dry .. Of course, dealing with suffocating and dry stuff is a valuable life skill. :-/ Sitting down to slog through something boring is not easy for many people. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] versus, not
Bill, there is a difference between direct instruction and Direct Instruction. The latter (big D big I) is usually based on SRA's products and outlined in the Direct Instruction Rubric. Direct instruction (little d little i) is usually a general set of guidelines teachers use to directly instruction - to be a sage on the stage, to teach directly, to teach first then... I am only frustrated by SRA themselves. The products are great and would be extremely useful in teaching but they have a copyright stranglehold. If only I was an attorney and knew how to legally get around that Or if I could find the millions (billions?) to buy it for public domain use. I'm telling you, people would have a fountain of curriculum they could use, morph, etc. -Kathy _ From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kerr Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:47 PM To: Kathy Pusztavari Cc: iaep Subject: Re: [IAEP] versus, not Kathy, I haven't read the books you cite but I do as a teacher frequently use direct instruction. That was strongly implied in my initial post. Nevertheless, I'm sure I could do it better. When I read your response my first thought was that you had not read my post carefully. btw this discussion does mirror an earlier one b/w Patrick Suppes and Seymour Papert - well covered in Papert's 'The Childrens Machine' and Cynthia Solomon's 'Computer Environments for Children' Both Suppes and Papert argued that computers could improve education but in different ways. Cynthia Solomon found that there was a greater need for direct instruction approaches in disadvantaged areas. But that did not make her a DI only advocate. My own experience in teaching in disadvantaged schools for the past dozen years is consistent with that. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Kathy Pusztavari ka...@kathyandcalvin.com wrote: eg. I would see direct instruction as a must for autistic children but don't see that it follows as a general model for all education The problem is that at least 20% of our kids in the US qualify as either special ed or learning disabled in some form. So you would be leaving out about 20% of the population (especially when teaching reading and math). Math can be improved greatly through Direct Instruction. If you have not taught Connecting Math Concepts and other non-DI curriculum, I would like to know why you would say such a thing. DI would make most, if not all kids LIKE math at the early levels (Kindergarten - 8th grade). It makes them succeed because it is mastery based. If you want to see brilliant curriculum development, you should look at SRA DISTAR I II, Connecting Math Concepts (A-F) and Essentials for Algebra. -Kathy _ From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Bill Kerr Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:21 PM To: Walter Bender Cc: iaep; Sugar-dev Devel; community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: [IAEP] versus, not On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: ===Sugar Digest=== I encourage you to join two threads on the Education List this week: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-April/005382.html, which has boiled down to an instruction vs construction debate; and http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-April/005342.html, which has boiled down to a debate of catering to local culture vs the Enlightenment. I encourage you to join these discussions. Agree that these are important discussions Need to be careful about the use of the versus depiction of these discussions IMO, this tempting shorthand can create the wrong impression eg. I would see direct instruction as a must for autistic children but don't see that it follows as a general model for all education (special needs are special) or that we should even think it is possible to have a correct general model. I don't think there is one and good teachers swap between multiple models all the time. no one on this list has argued overtly against the enlightenment or that local culture ought not to be taken into account, eg. Ties said think practical, the response was of the nature that our context demands we do a certain course of action however, I do think the roll back of enlightenment principles is not well understood (http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/nonUniversals) and that a better understanding might persuade more people of the need to keep searching and struggling for different ways to go against some of the tide of local culture - there is a recent interesting comment thread on mark guzdial's blog which is worth reading from this point of view http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK3F4TMBURELZZK ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] educational brew
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Albert Cahalan acaha...@gmail.com wrote: To benefit from a given lesson, one must master any prerequisites. The good news is that as time goes on, people (slowly) develop ways to help kids acquire prerequisites within learning new topics. For example, you can build lessons about proportionality on multiplication, which you can build on addition, which you can build on counting. Alternatively, you can work with unfair sharing, growth/shadows/perspective and other similarity, or intensive unit (e.g. speed) metaphors directly, incorporating development of multiplicative reasoning and its coordination with additive reasoning into this work. As the culture progresses, math gets more and more packed, prerequisites and all. I found Bill's non-universals summary to be quite useful in thinking about these issues, especially the similarities over differences part http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/nonUniversals As we figure out to help kids work with similarities in deeper ways, and as we uncover better metaphors for similarities, prerequisites get subsumed into other topics. -- Cheers, MariaD Make math your own, to make your own math. http://www.naturalmath.com social math site http://groups.google.com/group/naturalmath our email group http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Language Learning Courseware
SourceForge.net: synphony » home http://synphony.wiki.sourceforge.net/ On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 03:01, Seth Woodworth s...@isforinsects.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Neal Scogin neal.sco...@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM Subject: [support-gang] Language Learning Courseware To: Laptop Support support-g...@laptop.org I am developing courseware (a complete methodology) that utilizes Sugar (primarily the collaboration - mesh networking features) to learn languages. I have recently found someone to help me with Arabic and so now I am working on Arabic-English and Spanish-English. I am interested in using the International Phonetic Alphabet for some of the work. I would like to have some software that can evaluate spoken language to check for pronunciation. When I purchased some Spanish learning software years ago that was one of the features. Obviously, I am looking for open source software. In addition, any advice on software tools for the courseware will be appreciated. Hi Neal, this sounds like an awesome project. I have found the following regarding pronunciation evaluation: https://www.stanford.edu/group/opensource/cgi-bin/wiki/index.php?title=(un)Conference_2008_Notes:_SPHINX_IIhttps://www.stanford.edu/group/opensource/cgi-bin/wiki/index.php?title=%28un%29Conference_2008_Notes:_SPHINX_II http://www.google.cz/search?q=related:www.meraka.org.za/pubs/JACBadenhorst.pdf http://www.meraka.org.za/pubs/JACBadenhorst.pdf Hope that helps and feel free to ask any other questions here in IAEP or in sugar-devel: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/ Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
Aleksey, I read your Library document and the one linked to it on Unified Objects. This sounds like quite an ambitious project. I would agree with Tomeu that some kind of UI mockup would be a good idea. I've been programming for a living for over 30 years and reading your description I finally have some idea of what my end users must go through. It sure sounds useful, but some mocked up screen shots would help explain the idea and sell it. Even a back of the napkin effort like Tomeu linked to would be better than nothing. James Simmons ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 10:14:06AM -0500, James Simmons wrote: Aleksey, I read your Library document and the one linked to it on Unified Objects. This sounds like quite an ambitious project. I would agree with Tomeu that some kind of UI mockup would be a good idea. I've been programming for a living for over 30 years and reading your description I finally have some idea of what my end users must go through. It sure sounds useful, but some mocked up screen shots would help explain the idea and sell it. Even a back of the napkin effort like Tomeu linked to would be better than nothing. well, for its a very plane and simple idea http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/library.svg -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY
Good afternoon everyone. Charles Profitt has me thinking a lot about he New York State Association for Computers and Technologies in Education Trade show in Rochester NY, November 22-24, 2009. As Chas explains, if technology isn't pitched at NYSCATE, it won't even be on the radar for districts in NY State. While I could complete the RFP for a 1 hour talk, I'd like to do something spectacular if we could. So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help lead a 3 or 6 hour hands on session? If so, what should we present for 3 hours? I need ideas! Thanks in advance for your help, Karlie links Past presentations: http://nyscate.wikispaces.com/1-Hour+Sessions+2008 Submit a presentation (RFP) http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=361 General Information: http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=321 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Fwd: NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY
cross-posting to Marketing -- Forwarded message -- From: Karlie Robinson karlie_robin...@webpath.net Date: Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:38 PM Subject: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Good afternoon everyone. Charles Profitt has me thinking a lot about he New York State Association for Computers and Technologies in Education Trade show in Rochester NY, November 22-24, 2009. As Chas explains, if technology isn't pitched at NYSCATE, it won't even be on the radar for districts in NY State. While I could complete the RFP for a 1 hour talk, I'd like to do something spectacular if we could. So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help lead a 3 or 6 hour hands on session? If so, what should we present for 3 hours? I need ideas! Thanks in advance for your help, Karlie links Past presentations: http://nyscate.wikispaces.com/1-Hour+Sessions+2008 Submit a presentation (RFP) http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=361 General Information: http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=321 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to forward). My original post was: I have attached a screenshot of calibre. This is a very useful way to look at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested. (Clicking column headings sorts the grid.) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to forward). My original post was: I have attached a screenshot of calibre. This is a very useful way to look at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested. (Clicking column headings sorts the grid.) Thanks for screens, Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful. -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY
Hi Karlie, Walter and I are doing a talk at a similar show MassCUE (computer using educators) Oct 28-29th. I think we are just signed up for a 1 hour talk. We will be doing 9 hours over 3 days of professional development using an existing computer lab and SoaS in August in Worchester, MA. If you do a hands on session you could have people bring a laptop and use SoaS. We should work together to create a 3-hour curriculum on using Sugar in a math curriculum highlighting some of the results of your 4th grade math project. It would be great to take teachers through examples of activities already aligned with curriculum standards to making their own activities. What is the time frame on the 4th grade project? When would be a good time to look at results? Thanks! Caroline On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Karlie Robinson karlie_robin...@webpath.net wrote: Good afternoon everyone. Charles Profitt has me thinking a lot about he New York State Association for Computers and Technologies in Education Trade show in Rochester NY, November 22-24, 2009. As Chas explains, if technology isn't pitched at NYSCATE, it won't even be on the radar for districts in NY State. While I could complete the RFP for a 1 hour talk, I'd like to do something spectacular if we could. So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help lead a 3 or 6 hour hands on session? If so, what should we present for 3 hours? I need ideas! Thanks in advance for your help, Karlie links Past presentations: http://nyscate.wikispaces.com/1-Hour+Sessions+2008 Submit a presentation (RFP) http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=361 General Information: http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=321 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY
We have a meeting tentatively scheduled for the afternoon of May 18. When we firm things up, I'll post a note at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Math4Team/Meetings At that point we'll have final projects from the RIT students and I should have more info on what's been made and/or what point things are at. If needed I'll assign work teams to pick up where the RIT kids left off so we'll have activities in various forms of completion to show case. Some that will be ready for early tests and feedback, others that will be very rough around the edges. ~Karlie Caroline Meeks wrote: Hi Karlie, Walter and I are doing a talk at a similar show MassCUE (computer using educators) Oct 28-29th. I think we are just signed up for a 1 hour talk. We will be doing 9 hours over 3 days of professional development using an existing computer lab and SoaS in August in Worchester, MA. If you do a hands on session you could have people bring a laptop and use SoaS. We should work together to create a 3-hour curriculum on using Sugar in a math curriculum highlighting some of the results of your 4th grade math project. It would be great to take teachers through examples of activities already aligned with curriculum standards to making their own activities. What is the time frame on the 4th grade project? When would be a good time to look at results? Thanks! Caroline On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Karlie Robinson karlie_robin...@webpath.net mailto:karlie_robin...@webpath.net wrote: Good afternoon everyone. Charles Profitt has me thinking a lot about he New York State Association for Computers and Technologies in Education Trade show in Rochester NY, November 22-24, 2009. As Chas explains, if technology isn't pitched at NYSCATE, it won't even be on the radar for districts in NY State. While I could complete the RFP for a 1 hour talk, I'd like to do something spectacular if we could. So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help lead a 3 or 6 hour hands on session? If so, what should we present for 3 hours? I need ideas! Thanks in advance for your help, Karlie links Past presentations: http://nyscate.wikispaces.com/1-Hour+Sessions+2008 Submit a presentation (RFP) http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=361 General Information: http://www.nyscate.org/conferences.cfm?subpage=321 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
The screenshots help the discussion a great deal. Thinking in terms of how you sort and change views is useful, since there are a few very different use cases that could all rely on what Aleksey is describing [local calibre, active filesharing, global persistent file hosting and bundle creation/publishing among them] SJ On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to forward). My original post was: I have attached a screenshot of calibre. This is a very useful way to look at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested. (Clicking column headings sorts the grid.) Thanks for screens, Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful. -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
Here is a screenshot from Goodreads.com of the beginning of my Economics collection. I have to go around the house and find the rest, put them on a physical shelf together (I recently added three new bookcases), and add them to my list. People occasionally ask me where to get a particular book, or comment when I list one of their favorites. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 5 May 2009, at 18:23, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: I have attached a screenshot of calibre. This is a very useful way to look at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested. (Clicking column headings sorts the grid.) Thanks for screens, Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful. Just for a more tangible UI reference. Here's how the lovely Delicious Library presents objects, not just books, but music, dvds, tools, gadgets, clothes, anything you care to give it really. You can then share and browse the library meta-data with friends so you know what items you each have (or are willing) to share. It's more aimed at tracking physical objects, rather than distributing virtual objects, so you would use it to track who's has got what if you were running say, an physical XO hardware lending library. But virtual objects would work just as well in the UI. --Gary -- Aleksey -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) attachment: Goodreads.png___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
All, The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are looking at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content just as much if not more than as a way to share said content. As far as organizing content goes, I like what Calibre does better than the tree view you seem to be proposing. What I would like is a tabular format where you can sort ascending or descending on any column, and filter on any column. Both Calibre and iTunes have a view like this and for me it works. I would have columns for Title, Author, Subject, and Type, where Author and Subject are optional. A tree structure is good for hiding stuff you don't want to look at. If you want to browse through everything (expand the entire tree) it wastes vertical space. James Simmons Samuel Klein wrote: The screenshots help the discussion a great deal. Thinking in terms of how you sort and change views is useful, since there are a few very different use cases that could all rely on what Aleksey is describing [local calibre, active filesharing, global persistent file hosting and bundle creation/publishing among them] SJ On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to forward). My original post was: I have attached a screenshot of calibre. This is a very useful way to look at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested. (Clicking column headings sorts the grid.) Thanks for screens, Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful. -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
To the extent that Title, Author, etc. are simply labels for two tags that many ebook items have, and that one could establish others, it is a good generalization of calibre's useful but fixed view. A lot of programs (including the dreaded Windows) allow selection of which columns to display, optimizing screen real estate for personal preferences. And some types of displays work much better for small sets of items as opposed to large ones. The fisheye view in my last post is not at all useful for a large collection, but it works well for a search result with a few to about a hundred items. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:33 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.comwrote: All, The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are looking at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content just as much if not more than as a way to share said content. As far as organizing content goes, I like what Calibre does better than the tree view you seem to be proposing. What I would like is a tabular format where you can sort ascending or descending on any column, and filter on any column. Both Calibre and iTunes have a view like this and for me it works. I would have columns for Title, Author, Subject, and Type, where Author and Subject are optional. A tree structure is good for hiding stuff you don't want to look at. If you want to browse through everything (expand the entire tree) it wastes vertical space. James Simmons Samuel Klein wrote: The screenshots help the discussion a great deal. Thinking in terms of how you sort and change views is useful, since there are a few very different use cases that could all rely on what Aleksey is describing [local calibre, active filesharing, global persistent file hosting and bundle creation/publishing among them] SJ On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to forward). My original post was: I have attached a screenshot of calibre. This is a very useful way to look at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested. (Clicking column headings sorts the grid.) Thanks for screens, Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful. -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
Here is fisheye. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: To the extent that Title, Author, etc. are simply labels for two tags that many ebook items have, and that one could establish others, it is a good generalization of calibre's useful but fixed view. A lot of programs (including the dreaded Windows) allow selection of which columns to display, optimizing screen real estate for personal preferences. And some types of displays work much better for small sets of items as opposed to large ones. The fisheye view in my last post is not at all useful for a large collection, but it works well for a search result with a few to about a hundred items. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:33 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.comwrote: All, The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are looking at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content just as much if not more than as a way to share said content. As far as organizing content goes, I like what Calibre does better than the tree view you seem to be proposing. What I would like is a tabular format where you can sort ascending or descending on any column, and filter on any column. Both Calibre and iTunes have a view like this and for me it works. I would have columns for Title, Author, Subject, and Type, where Author and Subject are optional. A tree structure is good for hiding stuff you don't want to look at. If you want to browse through everything (expand the entire tree) it wastes vertical space. James Simmons Samuel Klein wrote: The screenshots help the discussion a great deal. Thinking in terms of how you sort and change views is useful, since there are a few very different use cases that could all rely on what Aleksey is describing [local calibre, active filesharing, global persistent file hosting and bundle creation/publishing among them] SJ On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 09:41:01AM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: Sorry for posting the screenshot without text (I was reposting a compacted version of the original screenshot, which our list manager wisely refused to forward). My original post was: I have attached a screenshot of calibre. This is a very useful way to look at books, though I'm sure many improvements could be suggested. (Clicking column headings sorts the grid.) Thanks for screens, Library could have fileformat-backends to parse all these books related properties from files to make calibre-like view more useful. -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep attachment: fisheye.gif___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 02:33:30PM -0500, James Simmons wrote: All, The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are looking at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content just as much if not more than as a way to share said content. As far as organizing content goes, I like what Calibre does better than the tree view you seem to be proposing. What I would like is a tabular format where you can sort ascending or descending on any column, and filter on any column. Both Calibre and iTunes have a view like this and for me it works. I would have columns for Title, Author, Subject, and Type, where Author and Subject are optional. A tree structure is good for hiding stuff you don't want to look at. If you want to browse through everything (expand the entire tree) it wastes vertical space. Well, in my mind the best solution is let user choose the right way :) So Library will have several tags views * cloud of tags * tree of tags * plane list of objects i.e. w/o any tags -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] School Report and request for help replicating some SoaS bugs.
On 05.05.2009, at 20:00, Caroline Meeks wrote: On the mac's they seemed to boot fine from the CD+USB but there was some sort of problem with the screen. I've attached a pic, has anyone else seen it? Looks a lot like what I reported for the Mac mini: http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg03875.html If I'm not mistaken the Macbook uses the same Intel graphics chip as the Mac mini. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 12:46:56PM -0700, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: To the extent that Title, Author, etc. are simply labels for two tags that many ebook items have, and that one could establish others, it is a good generalization of calibre's useful but fixed view. a great idea!.. Instead of having Search by column option(which should complicate (not)a bit UI, for example original Journal has only on Search field) we could treat object's properties in the way of another source of tags values. For example if we have 100 books by 2 authors, user should scroll all 100 items to reveal this fact, but now he can find this information in tags sidebar(which should contain only 2 items). Though, in the case of 100 books by 100 authors it doesn't work, but it could be suppressed by using composite tag Author(or so) I've added this feature to Library features list. -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
Aleksey, It isn't clear to me what a cloud of tags is. Is there a familiar application that does something like this? I understand that users can tag things to suit themselves, but still I'd want to impose some kind of structure on the views. When I started visiting libraries they had card catalogs for Author, Title, and Subject. It was a good system, and every library used it. You could create a lot of other indexes but they wouldn't get much use. In the Calibre screenshot we had File Size, Publisher, Date, Series, and I could easily do without any of them. Considering that most users of Sugar are going to be children enforcing a minimum structure couldn't hurt. James Simmons Aleksey Lim wrote: Well, in my mind the best solution is let user choose the right way :) So Library will have several tags views * cloud of tags * tree of tags * plane list of objects i.e. w/o any tags ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 04:12:39PM -0500, James Simmons wrote: Aleksey, It isn't clear to me what a cloud of tags is. Is there a familiar application that does something like this? Perhaps he means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_cloud James Simmons Martin pgpVfrSC2AFqA.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
Jim, children are great collectors. I just think it is wise to try interfaces with varying numbers of items before concluding that one or another mode is too complicated. If you'd like to try an interface that has tunable complexity, you might like to get a copy of the readerware trial. I can supply a database with around a thousand books as a sample (my daughter's old elementary school was incredibly generous with a book drive!). On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.comwrote: Aleksey, It isn't clear to me what a cloud of tags is. Is there a familiar application that does something like this? I understand that users can tag things to suit themselves, but still I'd want to impose some kind of structure on the views. When I started visiting libraries they had card catalogs for Author, Title, and Subject. It was a good system, and every library used it. You could create a lot of other indexes but they wouldn't get much use. In the Calibre screenshot we had File Size, Publisher, Date, Series, and I could easily do without any of them. Considering that most users of Sugar are going to be children enforcing a minimum structure couldn't hurt. James Simmons Aleksey Lim wrote: Well, in my mind the best solution is let user choose the right way :) So Library will have several tags views * cloud of tags * tree of tags * plane list of objects i.e. w/o any tags ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 04:12:39PM -0500, James Simmons wrote: Aleksey, It isn't clear to me what a cloud of tags is. Is there a familiar application that does something like this? thanks to Martin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_cloud I understand that users can tag things to suit themselves, but still I'd want to impose some kind of structure on the views. When I started visiting libraries they had card catalogs for Author, Title, and Subject. It was a good system, and every library used it. You could create a lot of other indexes but they wouldn't get much use. In the Calibre screenshot we had File Size, Publisher, Date, Series, and I could easily do without any of them. Considering that most users of Sugar are going to be children enforcing a minimum structure couldn't hurt. agree, at the end Library's functionality(at least on the paper:) grows I'm thinking about implementing two layers of UI. Another option - using presets of Library object, like * Activities for activities and objects that could be treated like activities(for example .swf files) * Books * All my objects * etc. all these presets could have different sets of default UI elements But anyway, I think its a task for future Library versions. -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 02:33:30PM -0500, James Simmons wrote: All, The last few emails on the Library Activity suggest that people are looking at Library as a way of organizing their various Journal content just as much if not more than as a way to share said content. As far as organizing content goes, I like what Calibre does better than the tree view you seem to be proposing. What I would like is a tabular format where you can sort ascending or descending on any column, and filter on any column. Both Calibre and iTunes have a view like this and for me it works. I would have columns for Title, Author, Subject, and Type, where Author and Subject are optional. A tree structure is good for hiding stuff you don't want to look at. If you want to browse through everything (expand the entire tree) it wastes vertical space. Well, in my mind the best solution is let user choose the right way :) So Library will have several tags views * cloud of tags * tree of tags * plane list of objects i.e. w/o any tags A Mind Map view might be a useful option. Let users create links between books, and automatically create links from books to others that they refer to, or that refer to them. (The reverse citations index is one of the most powerful ways that academics use to find the latest research in their field. Just look up one of the foundational works, and see who has mentioned it lately, and in what context.) -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] OLPC Volunteer Infrastructure Group Meeting: [Now]
The Volunteer Infrastructure Group (/gang) Meeting is today (May 5th) at 4pm (EST) The Volunteer Infrastructure Group is a team of Volunteer Sysadmins who help maintain services and systems around OLPC and the OLPC/SugarLabs community. The weekly VIG meeting is an excellent chance to get involved, or to be aware of upcoming projects. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Volunteer_Infrastructure_Group http://vig.laptop.org/wiki/index.php/User:Dogi http://idea.laptop.org/ideatorrent/ideatorrent/vig/ http://embed.mibbit.com/?server=irc.oftc.netchannel=%23olpc-adminsettings=12a698505c860f99a6ad1051c57975f9noServerTab=falsenoServerNotices=truenoServerMotd=truenick=Guest Meeting Details: Date: May 5th, 2009 Time: 16:00 EST Location: irc.oftc.net #olpc-admin ciao dogi ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] Planning for Sugar Camp Paris
Hi Chris, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: With regards to logistics I was wondering where we'll have the meetings, I assume the location that OLPC France is providing is only available on Saturday? Are there any hacker-spaces, apartments, whatever that we can occupy while we're there? Here at the /tmp/lab we can offer the full space for whatever meeting you're planning to setup. Remember that /tmp/lab is in Vitry-sur-Seine, roughtly 45 minutes from SugarCamp at La Cantine. Please le us know if you're interested in :) Waiting to hear from you, -- Nico ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote: Aleksey, ... In the Calibre screenshot we had File Size, Publisher, Date, Series, and I could easily do without any of them. Whereas I would use each of them frequently. o File Size is particularly useful for deciding what to dump when you are running out of space, considering also whether you can download it again at need, or perhaps should back it up first. o I am researching textbook publishers, and would find it incredibly useful to have their catalogs in such a system with appropriate tagging. o Date is extremely helpful in navigating Series, and looking at the development of a subject. o Series is particularly useful for collections by multiple authors and even multiple publishers, such as the 40+ canonical Oz books and the 100+ titles since, not all of them for children. Considering that most users of Sugar are going to be children enforcing a minimum structure couldn't hurt. I don't like enforcement, but I do approve of useful defaults. I recommend having a way to store several sets of settings for different purposes. I also suggest some level of integration with Browse, so that bookmarking a URL for a document file can automatically add it to the book list for easy downloading. James Simmons Aleksey Lim wrote: Well, in my mind the best solution is let user choose the right way :) +1 So Library will have several tags views * cloud of tags * tree of tags * plane list of objects i.e. w/o any tags ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Library Activity
Carol, I meant no insult to children. I just thought they could benefit from a basic structure which they could then add to. Not everyone is good at designing hierarchies. It's something you have to learn. My own mother has not really mastered the idea of hierarchical file systems. (Dad leaves the computing to Mom). My wife, when asked where walnuts could be found in the supermarket, answered In the Nut Section. The answer I was looking for would have been In the Baking aisle. James Simmons Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: Jim, children are great collectors. I just think it is wise to try interfaces with varying numbers of items before concluding that one or another mode is too complicated. If you'd like to try an interface that has tunable complexity, you might like to get a copy of the readerware trial. I can supply a database with around a thousand books as a sample (my daughter's old elementary school was incredibly generous with a book drive!). ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:38, Karlie Robinson karlie_robin...@webpath.netwrote: Good afternoon everyone. Charles Profitt has me thinking a lot about he New York State Association for Computers and Technologies in Education Trade show in Rochester NY, November 22-24, 2009. As Chas explains, if technology isn't pitched at NYSCATE, it won't even be on the radar for districts in NY State. While I could complete the RFP for a 1 hour talk, I'd like to do something spectacular if we could. So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help lead a 3 or 6 hour hands on session? If so, what should we present for 3 hours? No promises, but I might be able to use the opportunity to see friends and family -- though November was one of the reasons I left, the others being December, January, February and often March. ;-) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] NYSCATE - Nov 2009 in Rochester NY
Kevin Cole wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:38, Karlie Robinson karlie_robin...@webpath.net mailto:karlie_robin...@webpath.net wrote: So would anyone like to come to Rochester with your XOs and help lead a 3 or 6 hour hands on session? If so, what should we present for 3 hours? No promises, but I might be able to use the opportunity to see friends and family -- though November was one of the reasons I left, the others being December, January, February and often March. ;-) Thanks, Kevin. I hope to start getting our ducks in a row over the next couple of weeks. We'll most likely lead the charge on the Fourth Grade Math mailing list [1] as that's what I'm most familiar with as far as SL.o goes. ~Karlie ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] lesson plans in French
French document written by teachers in Gabon: #LINK http://collabo.fse.ulaval.ca/olpc/index.php?2009/02/13/13-redaction-d-un-guide-pedagogique-du-xo-par-une-communaute-d-apprenants I ran google translate on the blog article this looks great. But when I try the pdf it says too big to translate. I'm fairly new to working across languages but it looks like if we could get this in smaller chucks auto it could be autotranslated well enough for me to get the gist and see if its a good starting place for doing some teacher training over the summer. Unfortunately I don't remember who gave me this link! Does anyone know the owners of this document? Thanks! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-05-03
Hi all, following David Farning's advice, we want to keep the SugarCamp as informal as possible. Yet we want to have some tangible output, on top of the obvious (and noble) task of building the Sugar community. So we have been brainstorming a bit and here are 17 challenges that we may want to tackle. Here is your mission: - re-order this list to reflect your priorities (we will certainly focus only on the 10 first items in this list) - try to be more specific in defining each challenge (we will have a page on the wiki describing each challenge more thoroughly) - try to make the challenge both doable and... challenging! Of course, this list is open. Thanks a bunch in advance for your feedback. - Gcompris: package Gcompris as a .xo file - WikiBrowse: have a simple receipe to build a WikiBrowse in any language, and start using it for a french WikiBrowse - Help activity: have a simple receipe to build a Help activity in any language, and start a french WikiBrowse - Install Sugar on the Gdium - Finish the malagasy translation of Sugar core system - Run the XS server on several architectures/systèmes - Define and build a french bundle of Sugar activities - Update several XOs from another XO - Run Ooo4Kids on the XO (make it run better, sugarize it) - Have a usable Ebook reader and package content for it - Specify a pedagogical activity based on 3D sound - Have an activity (à la Help) to make the Guide XO Gabon available/readable within Sugar - Hardware test for SOAS - Run Sugar on a Nokia N800 - Translate the deployment guide - Create screencasts for several activities - Have a css to make a Moodle website more readable on the XO/netbooks -- Bastien ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-05-03
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 01:45:29AM +0200, Bastien wrote: - Update several XOs from another XO You mean http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Multicast_NAND_FLASH_Update#NANDblasting_an_Unsigned_NAND_Image_File ? - Run Sugar on a Nokia N800 N810 ok? http://guysoft.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/nokia-n810-running-olpc-sugar/ Martin pgp8TcmRsPJhI.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Project process visualization
Hey Gaurav, The diagram is great! This is what I had originally envisioned for our getting started page on the [www|wiki].sugarlabs.org. The best part about the diagram is how it communicates how all of the different pieces fit together to make the ecosystem work. Yet, individuals can drill down to specific , manageable, areas which they can learn more about. It would be great if you could work with Fred, Christian, Eben, Gary and the rest of the wiki/web guy to create this into an interactive 'map' for the project. FWIW, this rest of us will likely kibitz loudly about your choices for naming and categorization:) David On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gaurav, I like your visualization of the social communication process for the OLPC project. The icons are simple and fun to associate with a concept, the cycles nicely emphasize the iteration needed in all domains, and the overlap with intersections demonstrate the coordination that is needed. I can imagine versions where nodes would be expanded in subsets to show more detail of a process. For example, we could use such a map to explain and guide newcomers to the software development cycle and community tools. Could you share the icons and tools you used to allow others to work on prototypes and drafts for their processes? We could start using more of these and similar icons for tagging concepts in our wikis and Sweet software, and we could use the maps as a navigational aids. Thank you for your contributions! --Fred On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Gaurav Bhushan gaura...@nid.edu wrote: Hi everyone, While I was a student of information design at National Institute of Design, India, I worked on brainstorming and visualizing an ecosystem to support the OLPC project in India. I am attaching a poster representing the same. The idea was to trigger advocacy among key players in Education, Technology and Outreach. It is still very crude, and I can take out more time to work on it if you guys have some feedback and inputs. I feel a lot more can be done in terms of making it interactive. Regards, Gaurav Bhushan User Experience Design Google, India -- Gaurav Bhushan Information Design National Institute of Design, India ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-05-03
Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com writes: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 01:45:29AM +0200, Bastien wrote: - Update several XOs from another XO You mean http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Multicast_NAND_FLASH_Update#NANDblasting_an_Unsigned_NAND_Image_File ? Well, yes, maybe (Samy?) Which reminds me we could add a challenge about NANDBlaster (Daniel?) - Run Sugar on a Nokia N800 N810 ok? http://guysoft.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/nokia-n810-running-olpc-sugar/ Yes. I have a N800 and I'm happy to lend it to anyone willing to run Sugar on it! -- Bastien ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-05-03
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, following David Farning's advice, we want to keep the SugarCamp as informal as possible. Yet we want to have some tangible output, on top of the obvious (and noble) task of building the Sugar community. So we have been brainstorming a bit and here are 17 challenges that we may want to tackle. Here is your mission: - re-order this list to reflect your priorities (we will certainly focus only on the 10 first items in this list) - try to be more specific in defining each challenge (we will have a page on the wiki describing each challenge more thoroughly) - try to make the challenge both doable and... challenging! Of course, this list is open. Thanks a bunch in advance for your feedback. - Gcompris: package Gcompris as a .xo file - WikiBrowse: have a simple receipe to build a WikiBrowse in any language, and start using it for a french WikiBrowse - Help activity: have a simple receipe to build a Help activity in any language, and start a french WikiBrowse - Install Sugar on the Gdium If you are doing an install fest, I just ordered a Lenovo s10 which could use Sugarizing:) I hope that it, running sugar, can be my laptop for daily use for the next 6 months. I never have gotten Sugar to run on my several year old Lenovo 3000 N100:( david - Finish the malagasy translation of Sugar core system - Run the XS server on several architectures/systèmes - Define and build a french bundle of Sugar activities - Update several XOs from another XO - Run Ooo4Kids on the XO (make it run better, sugarize it) - Have a usable Ebook reader and package content for it - Specify a pedagogical activity based on 3D sound - Have an activity (à la Help) to make the Guide XO Gabon available/readable within Sugar - Hardware test for SOAS - Run Sugar on a Nokia N800 - Translate the deployment guide - Create screencasts for several activities - Have a css to make a Moodle website more readable on the XO/netbooks -- Bastien ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] Planning for Sugar Camp Paris
Does it have good public transportation to the site? If so, this sounds great for the smaller days around the official OLPC France event. BTW, were you at wintercamp in Amsterdam? /temp/lab/ sounds familiar but I can figure out why:) David On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Nico n...@openwrt.org wrote: Hi Chris, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: With regards to logistics I was wondering where we'll have the meetings, I assume the location that OLPC France is providing is only available on Saturday? Are there any hacker-spaces, apartments, whatever that we can occupy while we're there? Here at the /tmp/lab we can offer the full space for whatever meeting you're planning to setup. Remember that /tmp/lab is in Vitry-sur-Seine, roughtly 45 minutes from SugarCamp at La Cantine. Please le us know if you're interested in :) Waiting to hear from you, -- Nico ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Project process visualization
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:55 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hey Gaurav, The diagram is great! This is what I had originally envisioned for our getting started page on the [www|wiki].sugarlabs.org. The best part about the diagram is how it communicates how all of the different pieces fit together to make the ecosystem work. Yet, individuals can drill down to specific , manageable, areas which they can learn more about. It would be great if you could work with Fred, Christian, Eben, Gary and the rest of the wiki/web guy to create this into an interactive 'map' for the project. FWIW, this rest of us will likely kibitz loudly about your choices for naming and categorization:) David On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gaurav, I like your visualization of the social communication process for the OLPC project. The icons are simple and fun to associate with a concept, the cycles nicely emphasize the iteration needed in all domains, and the overlap with intersections demonstrate the coordination that is needed. I can imagine versions where nodes would be expanded in subsets to show more detail of a process. For example, we could use such a map to explain and guide newcomers to the software development cycle and community tools. Could you share the icons and tools you used to allow others to work on prototypes and drafts for their processes? We could start using more of these and similar icons for tagging concepts in our wikis and Sweet software, and we could use the maps as a navigational aids. Thank you for your contributions! --Fred On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Gaurav Bhushan gaura...@nid.edu wrote: Hi everyone, While I was a student of information design at National Institute of Design, India, I worked on brainstorming and visualizing an ecosystem to support the OLPC project in India. I am attaching a poster representing the same. The idea was to trigger advocacy among key players in Education, Technology and Outreach. It is still very crude, and I can take out more time to work on it if you guys have some feedback and inputs. I feel a lot more can be done in terms of making it interactive. Regards, Gaurav Bhushan User Experience Design Google, India -- Gaurav Bhushan Information Design National Institute of Design, India ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing Hi Gaurav, Its good to finally see your model on the lists here. I'm also quite pleased that you are done with school and are at Google (Hyd I presume?). Congratulations! I saw Gaurav's model last year when I was visiting Reliance/DBF in India - this is the group that did Khairat (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Khairat_school). Obviously, Gaurav has put a lot of effort into it. My suggestions were to (1) release it under a CC style license and (2) maybe explore an interface (AJAX or otherwise) that would allow Zoom in and Zoom out of different cycles and levels for big picture and drill down details with explanations and links at each level. cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Project process visualization
Hi everyone, Thanks Sameer for forwarding the conversation to me, I was not on the IAEP and Marketing lists so far, just joined. It would be great if you could work with Fred, Christian, Eben, Gary and the rest of the wiki/web guy to create this into an interactive 'map' for the project. David, I would love to work on this further and collaborate with Fred, Christian, Eben and Gary to shape it into an interactive map for the project. My skill sets lie in graphics and visualization, and can help you guys take it to that level with some help in the technical implementation. FWIW, this rest of us will likely kibitz loudly about your choices for naming and categorization:) I am keen on making any changes that are needed to the naming and categorization :) I realize it is still very crude, but I think it is in shape now to trigger more ideas amongst you guys as to what it can become, and I am pretty excited about that. I think if we can brainstorm on the structure, naming and categorization and freeze on a model, I can take it forward from there to do a couple of iterations on the icons. Fred, I can share the icons as SVGs, can we create a wiki where we could assemble all our ideas and production material for an interactive map? Also I would like to mention that this poster would not have been possible without the support of Harriet and Amit at the Digital Bridge Foundation, Reliance Communications, Mumbai. Regards, Gaurav On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Gaurav Bhushan gaura...@nid.edu wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu Date: Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] Project process visualization To: David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org Cc: Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com, olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org, iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org, gaura...@nid.edu, amit gogna amit.gog...@gmail.com, Harriet Vidyasagar outofin...@gmail.com On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:55 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hey Gaurav, The diagram is great! This is what I had originally envisioned for our getting started page on the [www|wiki].sugarlabs.org. The best part about the diagram is how it communicates how all of the different pieces fit together to make the ecosystem work. Yet, individuals can drill down to specific , manageable, areas which they can learn more about. It would be great if you could work with Fred, Christian, Eben, Gary and the rest of the wiki/web guy to create this into an interactive 'map' for the project. FWIW, this rest of us will likely kibitz loudly about your choices for naming and categorization:) David On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gaurav, I like your visualization of the social communication process for the OLPC project. The icons are simple and fun to associate with a concept, the cycles nicely emphasize the iteration needed in all domains, and the overlap with intersections demonstrate the coordination that is needed. I can imagine versions where nodes would be expanded in subsets to show more detail of a process. For example, we could use such a map to explain and guide newcomers to the software development cycle and community tools. Could you share the icons and tools you used to allow others to work on prototypes and drafts for their processes? We could start using more of these and similar icons for tagging concepts in our wikis and Sweet software, and we could use the maps as a navigational aids. Thank you for your contributions! --Fred On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Gaurav Bhushan gaura...@nid.edu wrote: Hi everyone, While I was a student of information design at National Institute of Design, India, I worked on brainstorming and visualizing an ecosystem to support the OLPC project in India. I am attaching a poster representing the same. The idea was to trigger advocacy among key players in Education, Technology and Outreach. It is still very crude, and I can take out more time to work on it if you guys have some feedback and inputs. I feel a lot more can be done in terms of making it interactive. Regards, Gaurav Bhushan User Experience Design Google, India -- Gaurav Bhushan Information Design National Institute of Design, India ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing Hi Gaurav, Its good to finally see your model on the
Re: [IAEP] lesson plans in French
It may have been me, I got it from Samy at OLPC France and have linked to it several times Let's talk with them next week about how to translate this! I speak French fluently (I'm half French) but I've hesitated to take that on, very full plate thanks Sean On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: French document written by teachers in Gabon: #LINK http://collabo.fse.ulaval.ca/olpc/index.php?2009/02/13/13-redaction-d-un-guide-pedagogique-du-xo-par-une-communaute-d-apprenants I ran google translate on the blog article this looks great. But when I try the pdf it says too big to translate. I'm fairly new to working across languages but it looks like if we could get this in smaller chucks auto it could be autotranslated well enough for me to get the gist and see if its a good starting place for doing some teacher training over the summer. Unfortunately I don't remember who gave me this link! Does anyone know the owners of this document? Thanks! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
