Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Re: news article: Why schools should provide one laptop per child

[Jerry Vonau]

> On June 17, 2016 at 3:59 PM Ian Thomson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Have to admit to being a bit surprised that for a list serve that is
> called
> "Its an education project", all the comments are about the device.
> 
> IMHO, the biggest challenge (in the developing world) is how to make the
> giant step change from moving from a  resource poor teaching and learning
> environment to a resource abundant environment (enabled by ICTs). This is
> very different from what happens in developed countries.
> 
> I see huge potential in this, but nobody seems to be commenting on it.
> They
> still seem to focus on the device (even if the debate is about one-to-one
> or not, it is still device centric)
> 
> Ian

I agree, there is no reason we can not setup something like LTSP[1] for a
sugar based desktop lap. NFS mount /home and run the rest from a iso. Can
you say instant dual boot without touching the hard drive.

Jerry

1. http://www.ltsp.org/ 

1. 



> On 18 June 2016 at 03:14, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> 
> >
> > On 17 June 2016 at 11:11, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> >
> >> I thought this was the best line:
> >>
> >> "These [failures] tended to be in school districts that treated
> >> computers
> >> like magical devices that would solve educational problems merely
> >> through
> >> their distribution, without sufficient planning on how they could best
> >> be
> >> deployed to improve learning."
> >>
> >
> > I added this to the vision of what SL should be
> >
> >
> > https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Vision_proposal_2016=revision=99052=99047
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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Re: news article: Why schools should provide one laptop per child

[Ian Thomson]

Have to admit to being a bit surprised that for a list serve that is called
"Its an education project", all the comments are about the device.

IMHO, the biggest challenge (in the developing world) is how to make the
giant step change from moving from a  resource poor teaching and learning
environment to a resource abundant environment (enabled by ICTs). This is
very different from what happens in developed countries.

I see huge potential in this, but nobody seems to be commenting on it. They
still seem to focus on the device (even if the debate is about one-to-one
or not, it is still device centric)

Ian



On 18 June 2016 at 03:14, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> On 17 June 2016 at 11:11, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> I thought this was the best line:
>>
>> "These [failures] tended to be in school districts that treated computers
>> like magical devices that would solve educational problems merely through
>> their distribution, without sufficient planning on how they could best be
>> deployed to improve learning."
>>
>
> I added this to the vision of what SL should be
>
>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Vision_proposal_2016=revision=99052=99047
>
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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Dave Crossland]

On 17 June 2016 at 11:42, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> I understand the need is to have a financial report at each monthly
> meeting reporting on starting balance, amount received, amount paid, and
> ending
> balance. This is under the control of SFC. Adam is our liason to SFC. So I
> think it is appropriate that he make this report.
>
> Currently, there is no income, expenses are one-two transactions, and so
> such a report should be easy to make.
>

Adam, let me know if you need help making the report.
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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Tony Anderson]

Sean,

I understand the need is to have a financial report at each monthly 
meeting reporting on starting balance, amount received, amount paid, and 
ending
balance. This is under the control of SFC. Adam is our liason to SFC. So 
I think it is appropriate that he make this report.


Currently, there is no income, expenses are one-two transactions, and so 
such a report should be easy to make.


Tony

On 06/17/2016 05:35 PM, Sean DALY wrote:


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Dave Crossland > wrote:


I'm confused ;D Do you want a volunteer, or do you want Adam to do
it? 




Is Adam's role preparing periodic finance status reports? Sorry if I 
missed that.

Sean



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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Dave Crossland]

On 17 June 2016 at 11:32, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> On 17 June 2016 at 11:12, Tony Anderson  wrote:
>>
>> >I appreciate your enthusiasm. However, I wonder how this will work with
>>> >Adam Holt as our liason with SFC and with SFC being our accountant.
>>
>>
>> I'm confused ;D Do you want a volunteer, or do you want Adam to do it?
>>
>
> I don't understand your confusion. Currently Adam Holt has assumed
> responsibility for liason with SFC. SFC is responsible for managing SL's
> finances.
> If you volunteer to take Adam's role, then we need to find out if he is
> willing to turn it over to you and then take the necessary steps to
> formalize this
> relationship with SFC.
>

You seem to be asserting that Adam is the de facto finance manager, but I
understood that he was not keen to be the finance manager, and has not been
doing the things that Caryl's motions sets out.

If you think that Adam is the Finance Manager, what is Sean soliciting a
volunteer for?

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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Sean DALY]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> I'm confused ;D Do you want a volunteer, or do you want Adam to do it?



Is Adam's role preparing periodic finance status reports? Sorry if I missed
that.
Sean
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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

I don't understand your confusion. Currently Adam Holt has assumed 
responsibility for liason with SFC. SFC is responsible for managing SL's 
finances.
If you volunteer to take Adam's role, then we need to find out if he is 
willing to turn it over to you and then take the necessary steps to 
formalize this

relationship with SFC.

Tony

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On 17 June 2016 at 11:12, Tony Anderson  wrote:


>I appreciate your enthusiasm. However, I wonder how this will work with
>Adam Holt as our liason with SFC and with SFC being our accountant.
>

I'm confused ;D Do you want a volunteer, or do you want Adam to do it?


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Re: [IAEP] A Better Idea...

[Dave Crossland]

(Apologies for the empty sent earlier)

On 16 June 2016 at 23:30, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> On 16 June 2016 at 15:24, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 2016-06-15 8:38 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland :
>>
>>> On 11 June 2016 at 11:12, Sean DALY  wrote:
>>> > Dave - I don't agree that whomever submits a grant application becomes
>>> the
>>> > treasurer for those funds.
>>>
>>> Fair enough :) I am merely observing what I see as current practice
>>> with the Trip Advisor grant :)
>>>
>>> > What should happen is a sales cycle: if there is
>>> > interest, the SLOBs should be in the loop so they can assist with
>>> > face-to-face meetings, followup documents, and Adam/SFC liaison issues.
>>>
>>
>> This is probably the key point to ensure funds actually get to the active
>> members. It will require 100% transparency of grants documents
>>
>
What does "100% transparency of grants documents" mean concretely?

I can suggest we ensure all grant final document drafts and final copies
are on the wiki/website, and Project Instigators keep the community
informed of relevant updates.

What else should be done?

 and SCF management issues.


What does "100% transparency of Conservancy management issues" mean
concretely?

Conservancy is mostly staffed by lawyers, who wish to mostly communicate
under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney%E2%80%93client_privilege which
requires not having their emails be public or disclosed to anyone but the
specifically addressed and intended recipients, so they do not participate
much on these public lists.

I think Adam is doing a good job of conveying the important information as
the single point of contact between SL and Conservancy.

What else do you want him to do differently?

(Conservancy asks everyone to refer to them as Conservancy, not "SFC",
because they can be confused with SFLC that way.)


> > Document signings involving Walter require prior SFC review. In my view,
>>> > disbursal of funds from a successful grant should be managed by
>>> SFC/SLOBs
>>> > (perhaps primarily in the role of a Finance Manager or Treasurer), as
>>> per
>>> > Gould or TripAdvisor.
>>>
>>> Please could you clarify why Walter (or any other SLOB) would
>>> specifically need to be signing documents; I understand that that
>>> Conservancy signs the documents, because legally Conservancy is the
>>> party to them and neither SLOBs nor Members are agents of Conservancy
>>> and lack signing authority.
>>
>>
>>> Conversely, I don't see why SLOBS or Conservancy would be involved in
>>> the management of a project; they only and merely approve the funding,
>>> and until a Financial Manager is in place, this is done by regular
>>> motion.
>>>
>>>
>> What is proposed in the new "by funds structure" is to keep a Project
>> Leader per Project as the Treasurer of that Project's  fund. For general
>> purpose expenses SL already have the SLOBs who act as Treasurers of the
>> General Funds fund.
>>
>> Project Leaders-Treasurers should be encouraged to present time-cycle
>> required Budgets to the SL Funding/Grants Committee.
>>
>> Each Project Leader may approve or not an specific grant or grant
>> percentage to get into his/her Project Fund for N periods of time. By
>> approving the incoming of funds into the project, the Project Leader shall
>> agree to make his/her best effort to deliver the grant's desired results on
>> each time cycle as well as of course to share the results openly.
>>
>
Sounds good to me! :)


> That said and according to current SLOBs requirements, SLOBs approval will
>> get a long tale as according to current motions system it requires that (A)
>> each disbursement motion gets to be seconded by one SLOB + (B) the motion
>> gets 4 affirmative votes.
>>
>
I agree that this is a problem; and that is why I proposed motions that
would structure SLOB meetings in a way that increases their effectiveness.


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Re: [IAEP] A Better Idea...

[Dave Crossland]

On 11 June 2016 at 02:19, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Thanks for reading/commenting and remember the address to visit the life
> document is https://titanpad.com/SLFC
>

Here is the current contents of the pad:


#LearningBYDoing #Projects4GOOD
Last Modified by June 17 2016 by DC

Sugar Labs Fundraising Committe Notes

Welcome to TitanPad! This document is live at http://titanpad.com/SLFC
Please take yourself time to read
http://titanpad.com/ep/pro-help/#deletionpolicy)
This page text is synchronized as we type, so that everyone viewing this
page sees the same text. This allows us to collaborate seamlessly on
documents!

TODOs (please vote + name)

1. To create a grant/beneficiaries database an a collaborative Sugar
compatible tool.

2. To design compelling experiences to interect with such database.

3. To define mechanisms for funds distribution and certification among
members.

(DC: I don't understand each of these 3 points; I think we only need this
document to list grants, and _maybe_ we could use a spreadsheet to tabulate
the list, but I don't think we ought to spend time on process development;
I also don't understand what mechanism for distribution we need beyond what
we have, which is that a Project Leader who is resposible for making the
grant proposal on behalf of the SL project is then correspondingly
responsible for spending the grant funds to achieve the aims that were
proposed (Sean: This is controversial). Please could you elaborate on the
capabilities of such a database that you have in mind, and what the
outcomes of another distribution mechanism would be?)

4. Liaise with Adam and the SFC concerning any submittal requiring an EIN
(nonprofit taxpayer ID - I have the SFC number but after several scoldings
in the past I don't do anything without SFC clearance). In many cases,
referral to SFC entry in GuideStar may be sufficient
http://www.guidestar.org

GOALs

1, To create and fund new earmarked funds:
< each Project Leader, please add your name to the list>

1.1 a Sugar Projects Translation's Fund - PL Laura Vargas

1.2 a Sugar Network Development Fund - PL Laura Vargas

1.3 a Sugar Open Educational Resources Projects Fund - PL?

1.4 a Sugarizer Fund - PL?

1.5 an IIAB (Internet In A Box) fund PL?

Note: The above project-funds are for Sugar related projects already
underway by SL members.

Note: Current spending commitments are directed by the Oversight Board.

Calls for Proposals and Grants to consider (please vote + name)

Note: the SFC is listed in GuideStar, well-known clearinghouse for
nonprofit tax status filing data (US form 990) - many grant sources insist
on GuideStar entry for due diligence

- MacArthur Foundation: https://www.macfound.org/programs/100change/ (Laura
+1:  It is worth the effort and generic enough for all our projects to fit
in on a 10 -15 years horizon under the "improving children comunications
among all continents" ;D concept and movement.) (Dave +1)

- https://www.google.com/grants (Dave: +1, $10k/month in adwords is a great
way to get more volunteers.

- Knight News Challenge. Entry deadline has passed:
http://www.newschallenge.org

- NSF (Updated link) annual cycles in process:
http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp?pims_id=505038

-Current USAID funding opportunities:
https://www.usaid.gov/work-usaid/partnership-opportunities

- Lowes small grants for individual schools in the US:
http://www.toolboxforeducation.com/faq.html

-Michael and Susan Dell Foundation. Requires a US Taxpayer ID; the
Conservancy EIN is 41-2203632: http://www.msdf.org/grants/apply/eligibility/

- Global Partnership for Education (GPE) for applications from countries:
http://www.globalpartnership.org/useful-resources-for-gpe-grants

- http://www.mastercardfdn.org
- http://www.iyfnet.org/youth-organizations
- https://www.macfound.org/programs/girlseducation/
- http://allchildrenreading.org
-
http://corporate.voya.com/corporate-responsibility/community-investment/giving/grants
- http://mccartheydressman.org/academic-enrichment-grants/
http://www.raytheon.com/responsibility/community/contributions_grants/index.html
- https://corporate.bestbuy.com/community-grants-page/
-
http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/grants-awards/beyond-net-funding-programme/how-apply-beyond-net-funding
- http://livingprogresschallenge.hpe.com/
- http://corporate.mattel.com/about-us/philanthropy/childrenfoundation.aspx
- https://public.conxport.com/delta/donation/Home.aspx
- UNESCO (2017 cycle) http://en.unesco.org/ifpc/
-
http://www.motorola.com/us/Motorola-Mobility-Foundation-Partnerships/motorola-foundation-partnerships.html#mmf-partnerships-education
https://csta.acm.org/About/sub/GrantSupportRequests.html
- Long list of grants, updated often
http://www.edutopia.org/grants-and-resources
-
http://us.gsk.com/en-us/our-stories/our-communities/gsk-impact-grants-our-kids-leading-the-way-to-a-healthier-community/
http://www.waltonfamilyfoundation.org/our-impact/k12-education
- a non-profit 

Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Dave Crossland]

On 17 June 2016 at 11:12, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> I appreciate your enthusiasm. However, I wonder how this will work with
> Adam Holt as our liason with SFC and with SFC being our accountant.
>

I'm confused ;D Do you want a volunteer, or do you want Adam to do it?
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Re: [IAEP] news article: Why schools should provide one laptop per child

[Dave Crossland]

On 17 June 2016 at 11:11, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> I thought this was the best line:
>
> "These [failures] tended to be in school districts that treated computers
> like magical devices that would solve educational problems merely through
> their distribution, without sufficient planning on how they could best be
> deployed to improve learning."
>

I added this to the vision of what SL should be

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Vision_proposal_2016=revision=99052=99047
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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Dave

I appreciate your enthusiasm. However, I wonder how this will work with 
Adam Holt as our liason with SFC and with SFC being our accountant.


Tony

On 06/17/2016 03:39 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:


On 17 June 2016 at 06:37, Sean DALY > wrote:


Concerning a Finance Manager, in my view the priority should be
finding a volunteer to step up.


I volunteer.


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Re: [IAEP] news article: Why schools should provide one laptop per child

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Sean

Thanks for sharing!

I thought this was the best line:

"These [failures] tended to be in school districts that treated computers
like magical devices that would solve educational problems merely through
their distribution, without sufficient planning on how they could best be
deployed to improve learning."





On 17 June 2016 at 03:54, Sean DALY  wrote:

>
> http://theconversation.com/why-schools-should-provide-one-laptop-per-child-58696
>
> An interesting read, but which sidesteps the major impact of tablets over
> laptops these past three years.
>
> Sean
>
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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Dave Crossland]

On 17 June 2016 at 06:37, Sean DALY  wrote:

> Concerning a Finance Manager, in my view the priority should be finding a
> volunteer to step up.
>

I volunteer.
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Vision Discussion in 6 hours

[Dave Crossland]

On 17 June 2016 at 01:17, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
>
> 2016-06-17 12:07 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland :
>
>>
>> On 16 June 2016 at 13:49, Laura Vargas  wrote:
>>
>>> Great news Dave! hopefully more and more OLPC members will join the
>>> conversation on the IEP list.
>>>
>>
>> Sadly, I must admit that I do not expect anyone at OLPC to join this list.
>>
>
> Could you please explain why?
>

Most adults do not 'get' internet culture: They do not participate on the
net any more than they have to, beyond connecting with friends and family
they know face to face. There is no participation in any online
communities; they do not understand why discussing with strangers on the
internet could be valuable - it is just a waste of time, from their
perspective, and they weigh the downsides - not only having their ideas and
ideologies criticised, but often personally attacked - much heavier than we
(we who do participate) do.

In working with teams at both small and large companies over the years,
despite working on tech products directly related to the internet, I have
met _many_ people who have no interest in internet culture. There is
nothing about them online. They have their families, their sports/social
clubs, their TV magazines and other "old media";  they perform labour that
they learned to do in their early 20s at college, and learn new aspects of
their work through training courses that their employer provides.

And this is only my impression, but it is my impression that the company
culture at OLPC Inc today is one of mainstream normality: good, friendly,
kind people who work in their office diligently at regular hours, and are
not obsessed with their work, and do not take their work home with them,
and have zero patience for anything other that professional, courteous
interactions, that involved respected lines of authority.

I have this impression not from speaking with Leah, but by browsing their
web properties - homepage, wiki, mailing lists, etc - which are all very
old, and not updated this year (except the blog) - and their total absence
not only from recent discussions but the archives too.


> - OLPC offered XO-1.75 and XO-4 upgrade kits in the past, to upgrade
 XO-1s, but they didn't sell that well; she agreed with Tony's assessment
 that users will run the XO-1 until it fails, and OLPC has no EOL date in
 mind

 - OLPC is still offering XO-4s (touch and non-touch) with a minimum
 order of 100 units through the end of this year for sure, and has a few
 units in stock in Miami if anyone wants to buy just one or two; and Leah
 said they could look into updating the laptop.org website to make the
 offer public

>>> I belive SL business is the software We should not pay for any hardware
>>> (besides the servers) that must be provided from PC manufacturers for
>>> development ans testing. We already have experience with Intell locally.
>>>
>>
>> You do not think SL should offer hardware to developers to raise funds?
>>
>
> Can you also please explain what is what you are proposing?
>

I think SL should offer hardware to developers to raise funds, and to make
these developers more effective at meeting the needs of Sugar users, the
majority of which are XO-1 users.


> - OLPC is now also offering a newer model, a classmate-spec machine, and
 will send me details about this; its rugged and branded but not got the
 pixel qi screen.
 - OLPC only ships Sugar, and is very happy with it, and wants to
 support the developer community although isn't sure how to so;

>>>
>>> And we are very happy supporting the OLPCs too. We would like to
>>> continue doing so in a sustainable way for active members. We should let
>>> them know, we are developing a thematic fund structure for OLPC and other
>>> "investors" to be able to directorate the resources into specific projects.
>>>
>>
>> I agree that they ought to be one of the many companies we approach for
>> funding in the future :)
>>
>
> I read from your email they are ready to "support the developer community"
> so *let's not keep everybody waiting*!
>
> :D
>

What are the concrete next steps to take along that path?


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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Dave Crossland]

On 17 June 2016 at 06:37, Sean DALY  wrote:

> I am concerned that the recent flurry of motions (36 so far in 2016,
> although some are subsets of others) is counterproductive - there are
> widely varying viewpoints concerning what SL should be doing.


Is SLOBs won't make decisions, I see little reason to ask them to do so.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBS Meeting

[Walter Bender]

I'll look into the status of all of the outstanding motions when I get back
from my current travels and make a recommendation as to what is ready for
the next meeting.

-walter

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 6:37 AM, Sean DALY  wrote:

>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Tony Anderson 
> wrote:
>
>> a motion represents closure of the discussion and the continuing
>> discussion
>> has great value in getting us to think about out future direction and our
>> obligation to our legacy.
>>
>
>
> I agree, I am concerned that the recent flurry of motions (36 so far in
> 2016, although some are subsets of others) is counterproductive - there are
> widely varying viewpoints concerning what SL should be doing.
>
> Concerning a Finance Manager, in my view the priority should be finding a
> volunteer to step up.
>
> This is the link to passed and pending motions:
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions
>
> Sean.
>
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Re: [IAEP] SLOBS Meeting

[Sean DALY]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Tony Anderson 
wrote:

> a motion represents closure of the discussion and the continuing discussion
> has great value in getting us to think about out future direction and our
> obligation to our legacy.
>


I agree, I am concerned that the recent flurry of motions (36 so far in
2016, although some are subsets of others) is counterproductive - there are
widely varying viewpoints concerning what SL should be doing.

Concerning a Finance Manager, in my view the priority should be finding a
volunteer to step up.

This is the link to passed and pending motions:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions

Sean.
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[IAEP] news article: Why schools should provide one laptop per child

[Sean DALY]

http://theconversation.com/why-schools-should-provide-one-laptop-per-child-58696

An interesting read, but which sidesteps the major impact of tablets over
laptops these past three years.

Sean
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