date:20070703

For example, your IRLM address space must have higher priority than the other 
DBMS address spaces.

That's not entirely accurate.
With the WLM, you have little (or no) control over priorities.

The WLM can/does figure out who/what is using what as a 'server', and creates 
pseudo-service classes under the covers to managed an IRLM/DB2/CICS combo (for 
example).

So, you can bundle DB2 and the IRLM into the same service class. Of course, 
it's a NIT since I usully put all three into SYSSTC.

Also, picking on the IRLM example: most of its work is done under cross memory 
services, so it's dispatched at the priority (determined by the WLM) of the 
requesting address space.
This can be shown by looking at the CPU time for an IRLM.
The last time I looked, TCB was always 0, and all the time was under SRB.

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Re: Require tapes to be cataloged on z/OS 1.7

2007-07-03 Thread Mike Wood

Bryce, There is no option like that in a z/OS component, nor in RMM.
The closest RMM can get to this is to use VRSes with WHILECATALOG and 
enforce that all tape data sets are cataloged else they are expired. Create it, 
then bin it..

An installation exit such as 'File Validate' (IFG019FV) could possibly be used 
to 
check if a tape data set is either referenced via the catalog entry or has a 
normal disposition of CATLG - and if not, fail the open request.

Mike WoodRMM Development
On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:24:26 -0400, Bryce McLaughlin 
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Is there a parmlib option or some other mechanism that enforces a
requirement that tape data sets be cataloged when they are created?
Our environment is RMM on z/OS1.7.

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Re: Require tapes to be cataloged on z/OS 1.7

2007-07-03 Thread R.S.

Mike Wood wrote:

Bryce, There is no option like that in a z/OS component, nor in RMM.
The closest RMM can get to this is to use VRSes with WHILECATALOG and
enforce that all tape data sets are cataloged else they are expired. Create it,
then bin it..

An installation exit such as 'File Validate' (IFG019FV) could possibly be used to
check if a tape data set is either referenced via the catalog entry or has a
normal disposition of CATLG - and if not, fail the open request.

What about CATDSNS in RACF ? Does it work for tape datasets ?
BTW: This option can be misleading: a job step which created the dataset can access it despite of catalog disposition. The dataset will be unavailable later.

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Re: Another one bites the dust

2007-07-03 Thread wtrovijo

  How many Administrators are they hiring to 
  replace you?
 
 I'm still here, just doing different stuff (SAN management and 
 high-performance computing at the moment).  The new administrative 
 system is such a huge boondoggle that it's hard to tell how many people 
 are involved in providing the kind of support formerly provided by a 
 single sysprog.
 -- 
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Based on Matt's numbers I was trying to figure out how big - and cheap - will 
be ours. Our current 2tb, 5k tablespaces , 45k getpage/second DB2 zOS 
application will be replaced by sap in the next 2 years...

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WLM Setup Question

2007-07-03 Thread Lizette Koehler

List - 

 

I am just starting down the road to understanding WLM and how it is setup at
my shop.  I am a little confused as to why they are doing what they are
doing and am looking for some input.

 

Here they have elected to place everything into separate buckets.  I
should say that they have acquiesced to the application support group and
placed all the DB2s and Stored Procedures into separate report classes and
service classes.

 

Needless to say, that means that all the buckets are prettey much used up
and there are no more spots to put things.

 

My question is -  What is the bettert approach.  Lump DB2s together or give
them separate Service and Report classes?  The current thought is it gives
them a better idea of how the work is flowing.  I am not so sure due to my
limited knowledge of WLM at this time.  

 

Yes, I am reading the IBM Red books on WLM to educate myself.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Lizette


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Re: ICC question

2007-07-03 Thread Andy White

This is my problem right now for testing the PC's are using a static IP 
address but this becomes a pain if we are in a DR mode and now we need 
that hard coded PC with an IP or keep track of the IP addresses by PC. 


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Tim Hare wrote:
 The ICC is just like a TN3270E server - your PC's emulator program 
 specified the LU name, which is matched to an LU name in the ICC to 
select 
 that particular device.  You have to match a device in order to become 
a 
 console,  since consoles are assigned by device number. You can use any 
IP 
 address in the ICC's address range to connect and match up; but as far 
as 
 I know you can't do it from any IP address you want.

I'm not sure if I understand, however it is possible to get console on any 
IP addressed PC. In other words OSA address is fixed, but PC address need 
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Re: Require tapes to be cataloged on z/OS 1.7

2007-07-03 Thread Walt Farrell


On 7/3/2007 6:24 AM, R.S. wrote:

What about CATDSNS in RACF ? Does it work for tape datasets ?
BTW: This option can be misleading: a job step which created the dataset 
can access it despite of catalog disposition. The dataset will be 
unavailable later.




The SETROPTS CATDSNS option in RACF would not prevent writing to an 
uncataloged tape data set, though it would prevent reading except for 
those cases covered in the RACF books (see the RACF Security 
Administrator's Guide and RACF Command Language Reference).  For 
example, as you note, the job (not simply job step) that creates the 
data set can both read/write.


z/OS R8 and DFSMSrmm added another exception, with the TAPEAUTHF1 option 
in PARMLIB(DEVSUPxx), which would allow reading of file 2, 3, etc. if 
you have access to the cataloged data set in file 1.


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Re: WLM Setup Question

2007-07-03 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM

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 List - 
 
  
 
 I am just starting down the road to understanding WLM and how it is
setup at
 my shop.  I am a little confused as to why they are doing what they
are
 doing and am looking for some input.
 
  
 
 Here they have elected to place everything into separate buckets.  I
 should say that they have acquiesced to the application support group
and
 placed all the DB2s and Stored Procedures into separate report classes
and
 service classes.
 
  
 
 Needless to say, that means that all the buckets are prettey much
used up
 and there are no more spots to put things.
 
  
 
 My question is -  What is the bettert approach.  Lump DB2s together or
give
 them separate Service and Report classes?  The current thought is it
gives
 them a better idea of how the work is flowing.  I am not so sure due
to my
 limited knowledge of WLM at this time.  
 
  
 
 Yes, I am reading the IBM Red books on WLM to educate myself.
 
  
 
 Any thoughts?
 
  
 
 Lizette
 

It seems they have tightly linked service and report classes. First
thing I would do is to separate them. 
Use as few service classes as possible, documentation says less than 20
active service classes should do. You might like to make a first
grouping in Prod/Devl/Accept/Test.
Besides that, uses as many reports classes as the level detail you want
to report in.

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Re: WLM Question

When WLM first came out I was in a shop with CICS, DB2, and IMS.  I set
up a separate service class for each of them.  I felt it was easier to
control the goals desired.

You say your using region mode for CICS.  Does that mean you haven't
set up CICS for transaction response time processing?  I would recommend
that you do that.  CICS will run a lot better that way - in my opinion.

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Hi

We work with CICS DB2 and IMS DBCTL
At the moment we use region mode for CICS.
Should I have one service class for CICS DB2 and IMS
Or one for CICS and one for DBMS's

Thanks in advance

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Re: WLM Question

Actually I feel your IRLM should run in SYSSTC.  Every request is going
to go through that.  You don't want to take a chance on it waiting for
some TSO user for CPU.

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For example, your IRLM address space must have higher priority than the
other DBMS address spaces.

That's not entirely accurate.
With the WLM, you have little (or no) control over priorities.

The WLM can/does figure out who/what is using what as a 'server', and
creates pseudo-service classes under the covers to managed an
IRLM/DB2/CICS combo (for example).

So, you can bundle DB2 and the IRLM into the same service class. Of
course, it's a NIT since I usully put all three into SYSSTC.

Also, picking on the IRLM example: most of its work is done under cross
memory services, so it's dispatched at the priority (determined by the
WLM) of the requesting address space.
This can be shown by looking at the CPU time for an IRLM.
The last time I looked, TCB was always 0, and all the time was under
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Re: WLM Setup Question

Lump DB2s together or give them separate Service and Report classes?  The 
current thought is it gives
them a better idea of how the work is flowing.  I am not so sure due to my 
limited knowledge of WLM at this time.

I would lump them all in one service class and use separate report classes for 
those who believe they require it.

Service classes are a valuable resource.
You can only specify 100 (128?).
You should have no more than 20 (preferably less) active on an image, excluding 
SYS*, and the ones defining CICS/IMS transaction goals (if you use them).

Also, you will find very little CPU attributed to DB2, since the majority of 
the work is done under cross memory services and is reflected in the requesting 
address space and not on the DB2 ASID's.

So, I usually lump them in SYSSTC and, if I have to, use a report class. But, 
there is so little knowledge to be gained from them.
You need to look at the measurement data for the sub-system(s) calling DB2.

Also, the limit for report classes is 999.

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Re: WLM Question

You say your using region mode for CICS.  Does that mean you haven't set up 
CICS for transaction response time processing?  I would recommend that you do 
that.  CICS will run a lot better that way - in my opinion.

I would first 'clean up' the DB2 issues first.

And, when I first implemented WLM, I would have agreed with your statement.
But, now, I say: It depends!

I moved to a large CICS shop that had tried it, back when the WLM had to build 
control blocks for the sum of all MAXTASKs, and caused all sorts of overhead.

They stuck with region (velocity) goals.
When I started there, I wanted to switch to transaction goals. But, when we did 
the analysis with CMF data, we found over 95% of the transactions were sub-0.1 
seconds. This was with over 70,000,000 a day (yes million) and over 500/second 
at the peak.

We concentrated our effort elsewhere.

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Re: WLM Question

Actually I feel your IRLM should run in SYSSTC.  Every request is going to go 
through that.  You don't want to take a chance on it waiting for some TSO user 
for CPU.

Actually, that's what I said in my post (... all three address spaces in SYSSTC 
...).

Also, what I said was that it all runs through cross-memory services, so it 
will run at the priority of the requesting task -- NOT at the IRLM priority.

Take a look at any IRLM under RMF (or your monitor of choice). Except for the 
interval it actually starts, you will see no TCB time consumed. Just SRB. Why? 
Cross-Memory Services (the [very] little TCB time was consumed starting the 
IRLM ASID).

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Re: WLM Question

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 You say your using region mode for CICS.  Does that mean 
 you haven't set up CICS for transaction response time 
 processing?  I would recommend that you do that.  CICS will 
 run a lot better that way - in my opinion.
 
 I would first 'clean up' the DB2 issues first.
 
 And, when I first implemented WLM, I would have agreed with 
 your statement.
 But, now, I say: It depends!
 
 I moved to a large CICS shop that had tried it, back when the 
 WLM had to build control blocks for the sum of all MAXTASKs, 
 and caused all sorts of overhead.
 
 They stuck with region (velocity) goals.
 When I started there, I wanted to switch to transaction 
 goals. But, when we did the analysis with CMF data, we found 
 over 95% of the transactions were sub-0.1 seconds. This was 
 with over 70,000,000 a day (yes million) and over 500/second 
 at the peak.

We run only around 6 - 7 million txns/day, and we haven't yet tried
transaction goals for CICS.  Don't really see any need to try; velocity
goals seem to work fine.  Especially since installing the z9, we've
consistently seen response times under 0.05 seconds.

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Re: WLM Question

 From John Chase 
We run only around 6 - 7 million txns/day, and we haven't yet tried
transaction goals for CICS.  Don't really see any need to try; velocity
goals seem to work fine.  Especially since installing the z9, we've
consistently seen response times under 0.05 seconds.


I didn't realize that there were so many sites not using transaction
response time goals.  Yes, you can use velocity goals, but it just seems
to me that since you usually set up service agreements to give the
customer a certain response time that it would be easier to manage to
response time goals. 



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Re: IBM withdraws Z890 ?!?!?!

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:31:27 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote:

Some people beat up IBM for *not* withdrawing older models soon enough,

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Re: IBM withdraws Z890 ?!?!?!

2007-07-03 Thread Richards.Bob

Tom,

Think bleeding-edge large shops, which is where I have worked a fair
amount of my career. I certainly have heard it before.

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Some people beat up IBM for *not* withdrawing older models soon enough,

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Re: WLM Question

usually set up service agreements to give the
customer a certain response time that it would be easier to manage to response 
time goals.

Yes, but are you going to 'guarantee' sub-0.1?
And, when we looked into it, we were ending up with one CICS transaction class:

90% within 0.5.

You can't really get more granular than that, effectively.

We were already doing 95% within less than 0.1.

How is this more effective?
We could spend our (limited) mainframe resources on REAL problems.

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Re: WLM Setup Question

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:40:28 -0400, Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My question is -  What is the bettert approach.  Lump DB2s together or give
them separate Service and Report classes?  The current thought is it gives
them a better idea of how the work is flowing.  I am not so sure due to my
limited knowledge of WLM at this time.


I'm sure most if not all of this has been covered many times.  Hit the
archives, read the Redbook(s). 

To summarize:  Use as few service classes as you can to separate the
work and as many report classes as you like / need for reporting.  There
is a limit of 999 report classes and there really should be no more than about
30 active service classes on an LPAR (YMMV).  You can have more than
30 in your policy if some classes are only active on certain LPARs.  But
less is still better because there is only so much WLM can do at each
evaluation / adjustment cycle.   

Here:  I have a couple of service classes each for CICS, DB2, DDF,
CB (WebSphere), STC, production batch and test batch and SAP
(used prior to DB2 V8 and only on a couple of LPARs).  Test batch really
has one class + a discretionary class which 95% of all test batch falls into. 
I have a single class for TSO and OMVS (with periods).  

But there are report classes for *every* production CICS region, WAS region,
and DB2 subsystem as well as many STCs (CATALOG, VTAM, TCPIP, session
manager) to name a few).  But most STCs are lumped into a couple of 
other groups with monitors being one of them.

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Re: WLM Setup Question

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:31:53 -0500, Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm sure most if not all of this has been covered many times.  Hit the
archives, read the Redbook(s).

To summarize:  Use as few service classes as you can to separate the
work and as many report classes as you like / need for reporting.  There
is a limit of 999 report classes and there really should be no more than about
30 active service classes on an LPAR (YMMV).  You can have more than
30 in your policy if some classes are only active on certain LPARs.  But
less is still better because there is only so much WLM can do at each
evaluation / adjustment cycle.


I want to amend that statement to say 30 periods since some service
classes will have multiple periods.  


Here:  I have a couple of service classes each for CICS, DB2, DDF,
CB (WebSphere), STC, production batch and test batch and SAP
(used prior to DB2 V8 and only on a couple of LPARs).  Test batch really
has one class + a discretionary class which 95% of all test batch falls into.
I have a single class for TSO and OMVS (with periods).


So based on trying to limit periods, our OMVS and TSO service class only have
2 periods.  I didn't say it.. but our DDF classes also have 2 periods.  
In one sysplex I have a 3rd period for TSO that gets used for some long
running interactive SAS. Period 2 has a *very* long duration.   I've had to
do the same at shops that run FOCUS, but generally, 2 periods should be
enough for TSO.  

But there are report classes for *every* production CICS region, WAS region,
and DB2 subsystem as well as many STCs (CATALOG, VTAM, TCPIP, session
manager) to name a few).  But most STCs are lumped into a couple of
other groups with monitors being one of them.


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DFHSM QUESTION - TTOC RECYCLE

2007-07-03 Thread John Dawes

G'day to all,
   
  I have a potential problem with one of our migrate (DFHSM) tapes.  I would 
like to perform a recycle of the tape so as to move the dsns off it.  I did a 
HSEND LIST TTOC of the volser of the suspect tape.  It gave me a list of dsns 
on it.  My question is how could I find out if this tape is part of another 
tape?  By this I mean how can I ensure that it is only 1 tape and is not 
sequence 2 or 3 or 4.  I know that in order to perform a recycle it is prudent 
to know all the volsers that are connected to the tape and the recycle of the 
tape must be done for all the tapes associated with it.  I checked the doc but 
I could not find the command that would help me.  Can somebody be so kind as to 
point me to the right direction?
   
  Thanks in advance.
 

   
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Re: Another one bites the dust

2007-07-03 Thread Thompson, Steve

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  How many Administrators are they hiring to replace you?

 I'm still here, just doing different stuff (SAN management and 
 high-performance computing at the moment).  The new administrative 
 system is such a huge boondoggle that it's hard to tell how many 
 people are involved in providing the kind of support formerly provided

 by a single sysprog.
 --
 Matt Simpson --  z/OS Support

Based on Matt's numbers I was trying to figure out how big - and cheap
- will be ours. Our current 2tb, 5k tablespaces , 45k getpage/second DB2
zOS application will be replaced by sap in the next 2 years...
SNIP

Based on my experience of converting from MCP[1] to See-Bull (or Sieble
as you prefer), a VSAM master file having records of 4K (with areas
multiply defined) turned into a 1MB record. Now, the WHOLE MCP install
(all programs, data, page, spool, mirror-ed DASD, etc.) all fit neatly
into 3 TB. Moving ONE, count-em, ONE application required a 5TB RAID
unit, various and sundry servers, PLUS 4 full blown, got it all
REGATTAs (each was physically larger than the z/800 1b0). Each REGATTA
produced MORE BTUs than the z/800 (to the point that if you were cold in
the computer room you could walk behind one of them to actually get
warm!).

YMMV. 

But I was absolutely dumbfounded at the amount of money thrown at moving
off a mainframe based system. And the end result was, the CICS based
application that was being replaced had SUBSECOND response while the
See-Bull system had, well, 5-15 second response. So let me put this in
perspective: a customer calls to order an item (whatever it might be).
The call handler will need to go through 7-11 screens (CICS) for a total
time of 5-6 minutes to handle the call. The See-Bull system required 5
screens (browser based) and took 11 minutes.

Again YMMV.

And this was sent to Carrico for posting to ReBoot Hill (why? Because it
was, in my estimation, a US$100M fiasco that resulted in the See-Bull
system being abandoned when they realized that the computer room would
have to be expanded for the third time to handle all the hardware...)

[1] Prior post -- MCP is my name for z/OS. It is The Master Control
Program vis-a-vis IBM revenue for SCPs on z/Architecture, right?

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: DFHSM QUESTION - TTOC RECYCLE

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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Dawes
 Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:54 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: DFHSM QUESTION - TTOC  RECYCLE

 G'day to all,

   I have a potential problem with one of our migrate (DFHSM) 
 tapes.  I would like to perform a recycle of the tape so as 
 to move the dsns off it.  I did a HSEND LIST TTOC of the 
 volser of the suspect tape.  It gave me a list of dsns on it. 
  My question is how could I find out if this tape is part of 
 another tape?  By this I mean how can I ensure that it is 
 only 1 tape and is not sequence 2 or 3 or 4.  I know that in 
 order to perform a recycle it is prudent to know all the 
 volsers that are connected to the tape and the recycle of the 
 tape must be done for all the tapes associated with it.  I 
 checked the doc but I could not find the command that would 
 help me.  Can somebody be so kind as to point me to the right 
 direction?

   Thanks in advance.

I haven't do this for some time, but I think you can simply issue the
command:

HSEND RECYCLE VOLUME(volser) EXECUTE

and DFHSM will take care of all the stuff for you.

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Re: IBM withdraws Z890 ?!?!?!

If you're in the market for a new or upgraded CPU, for whatever reason, why 
would you not want to get the latest - in this case a z9.  Why would you go 
with the z890?  I don't know whether the CPU costs more or less, but the MSU 
rating of the z9 and subsequent lower software costs make the z9 a better 
deal.  The only thing I could see working to get a z890 is if on the used 
market the price is so much cheaper that even with the lower software cost 
of the z9, the total package would be cheaper.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434

- Original Message - 
From: Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Like Edward, I'm puzzled by some of the reaction to this
withdrawal-in-the-future announcement.

Some people beat up IBM for *not* withdrawing older models soon enough,
because they begin to think IBM isn't busy designing the next model!  This
announcement is simply 6+/12+ months' advance notice, for your planning and
procurement purposes, that new z890 machines won't be orderable from the
factory.  There are new z890s (for now), z890s (and even z800s) on the
secondary market, and new z9 BCs.Timothy Sipples
IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect
Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z
Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific
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Re: IBM withdraws Z890 ?!?!?!

2007-07-03 Thread Itschak Mugzach

This makes z900/z890 perfect solutions for a DRP site. A low MSU rate
machine with 1-15 CBUs. Best deal for a five years deal. 

Itschak   

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Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 4:06 PM
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Subject: Re: IBM withdraws Z890 ?!?!?!

If you're in the market for a new or upgraded CPU, for whatever reason, why
would you not want to get the latest - in this case a z9.  Why would you go
with the z890?  I don't know whether the CPU costs more or less, but the MSU
rating of the z9 and subsequent lower software costs make the z9 a better
deal.  The only thing I could see working to get a z890 is if on the used
market the price is so much cheaper that even with the lower software cost
of the z9, the total package would be cheaper.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434

- Original Message -
From: Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Like Edward, I'm puzzled by some of the reaction to this
withdrawal-in-the-future announcement.

Some people beat up IBM for *not* withdrawing older models soon enough,
because they begin to think IBM isn't busy designing the next model!  This
announcement is simply 6+/12+ months' advance notice, for your planning and
procurement purposes, that new z890 machines won't be orderable from the
factory.  There are new z890s (for now), z890s (and even z800s) on the
secondary market, and new z9 BCs.Timothy Sipples
IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect
Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z
Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific
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Re: IBM withdraws Z890 ?!?!?!

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 Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:06 AM
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 Subject: Re: IBM withdraws Z890 ?!?!?!

 If you're in the market for a new or upgraded CPU, for 
 whatever reason, why 
 would you not want to get the latest - in this case a z9.  
 Why would you go 
 with the z890?  I don't know whether the CPU costs more or 
 less, but the MSU 
 rating of the z9 and subsequent lower software costs make the 
 z9 a better 
 deal.  The only thing I could see working to get a z890 is if 
 on the used 
 market the price is so much cheaper that even with the lower 
 software cost 
 of the z9, the total package would be cheaper.

 Eric Bielefeld
 Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer

Or you wanted a cheap z890 to be dedicated to running Linux only with
no z/VM, just LPARs. There are 100% free (as in beer) versions of Linux
which will run on the z890. Then hardware costs are the only costs. Of
course, such software is not supported, but that may be OK to some
people. Just mentioning it, for completeness.

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Re: DFHSM QUESTION - TTOC RECYCLE

2007-07-03 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]

John,
 
To answer your question the following command will give you a list of all 
connected volumes
 
HSEND LIST TTOC SELECT(CONNECTED) DSI -   
  ODS('$DOB.TTOC.CONN.JUL02A')   
 
However the previous post is quite correct, simply issue the recycle against 
the volume in question and HSM will mount the first tape of a connected set. 
You DO NOT issue separate recycle commands for each tape in the set. 



From: John Dawes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 7/3/2007 9:53 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: DFHSM QUESTION - TTOC  RECYCLE



G'day to all,
  
  I have a potential problem with one of our migrate (DFHSM) tapes.  I would 
like to perform a recycle of the tape so as to move the dsns off it.  I did a 
HSEND LIST TTOC of the volser of the suspect tape.  It gave me a list of dsns 
on it.  My question is how could I find out if this tape is part of another 
tape?  By this I mean how can I ensure that it is only 1 tape and is not 
sequence 2 or 3 or 4.  I know that in order to perform a recycle it is prudent 
to know all the volsers that are connected to the tape and the recycle of the 
tape must be done for all the tapes associated with it.  I checked the doc but 
I could not find the command that would help me.  Can somebody be so kind as to 
point me to the right direction?
  
  Thanks in advance.


  
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Re: DFHSM QUESTION - TTOC RECYCLE

2007-07-03 Thread John Dawes

Thanks David and John.  I will heed your advice.
   
  Much obliged.

O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  John,

To answer your question the following command will give you a list of all 
connected volumes

HSEND LIST TTOC SELECT(CONNECTED) DSI - 
ODS('$DOB.TTOC.CONN.JUL02A') 

However the previous post is quite correct, simply issue the recycle against 
the volume in question and HSM will mount the first tape of a connected set. 
You DO NOT issue separate recycle commands for each tape in the set. 



From: John Dawes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 7/3/2007 9:53 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: DFHSM QUESTION - TTOC  RECYCLE



G'day to all,

I have a potential problem with one of our migrate (DFHSM) tapes. I would like 
to perform a recycle of the tape so as to move the dsns off it. I did a HSEND 
LIST TTOC of the volser of the suspect tape. It gave me a list of dsns on it. 
My question is how could I find out if this tape is part of another tape? By 
this I mean how can I ensure that it is only 1 tape and is not sequence 2 or 3 
or 4. I know that in order to perform a recycle it is prudent to know all the 
volsers that are connected to the tape and the recycle of the tape must be done 
for all the tapes associated with it. I checked the doc but I could not find 
the command that would help me. Can somebody be so kind as to point me to the 
right direction?

Thanks in advance.



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Re: WLM Setup Question

 
In a message dated 7/3/2007 8:32:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I'm sure  most if not all of this has been covered many times.  Hit  the
archives, read the Redbook(s). 

To summarize:  Use as few  service classes as you can to separate the
work and as many report classes  as you like / need for reporting.  There
is a limit of 999 report  classes and there really should be no more than 
about
30 active service  classes on an LPAR (YMMV).  You can have more  than




Cheryl Watson has a starter set at _www.watsonwalker.com_ 
(http://www.watsonwalker.com) . She also has a  product Goal Tender to compare 
SMF and WLM and 
make recommendations. Also  in conjunction with software is the marriage of the 
I/O subsystem to the  process.
Dr H. Pat Ardis and the folks at _www.perfassoc.com_ 
(http://www.perfassoc.com)  have had a handle on  it for years.



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Re: Another one bites the dust

 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

REGATTAs  (each was physically larger than the z/800 1b0). Each REGATTA
produced MORE  BTUs than the z/800 (to the point that if you were cold in
the computer  room you could walk behind one of them to actually  get
warm!).




Seems like IBM would put a few summer interns to work writing conversions  
GUIs showing the conversion balloon. Darn thing about it, it's so pervasive all 
 
the little PHB's just keep right on trucking like it was no big deal, maybe  
Dilbert's just a photocopy.



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Share conference schedule

2007-07-03 Thread Schwarz, Barry A

Has anyone been successful in using the grid view of the conference
schedule?  When I select a date, I usually get a display marked rooms 1
- 0 of 0 rooms.  On the rare occasion when I do see some rooms, clicking
on next 5 rooms or a quantity of more than 5 results in 0 rooms

I sent a query to the contact provided but no response yet (it's only
been 18 hours and I understand volunteers have other activities).

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Re: WLM Question

2007-07-03 Thread Dave Barry

Not running IRLM at a higher dispatching priority runs counter to IBM's
advice.  Before goal mode, DB2 would write a warning message when IRLM
was not at a higher DP than the other DB2 address spaces.

The reason for this is that IRLM runs in SRB mode (asynchronously) as
opposed to cross-memory mode (synchonously).  Just take a look at any
IRLM under RMF and you will see the SRB time.  If it were XMEM time, it
would accrue to the requester's address space, not IRLM's.  The reason
it makes sense is that by virtue of z/systems architecture SRBs ALWAYS
run at a higher priority than TCBs.  IRLM must service ALL lock requests
as a common service at the highest priority.  Lock management cannot
tolerate running synchronously at the low priority of some
Johnny-come-lately unit of work.  In fact, z/OS will raise the DP of
lock/latch holders to avoid contending with lock/latch waiters, but the
actual locking operation runs at the priority of IRLM.  The reason you
get away with setting it at the same priority as the other DB2 address
spaces is that the operations are themselves miniscule compared to the
CPU consumption of the other address spaces.  Furthermore, while a task
is using DBM1 services in XMEM mode, the housekeeping overhead and I/O
management is largely performed under SRB mode in DBM1 at the priority
of DBM1.

As a point of reference, see Address space communication at
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zoslnctr/v1r7/index.jsp?topic=/
com.ibm.zconcepts.doc/zconcepts_84.html.

It is true that dispatching priorities cannot be controlled directly in
goal mode, however SYSTEM and SYSSTC are by design the highest fixed
dispatching priorities in the system.  When the requester and provider
of service are separate entities, as they are in this case, common sense
dictates the provider run at a higher priority than the requester.

db  

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Actually I feel your IRLM should run in SYSSTC.  Every request is going

to go through that.  You don't want to take a chance on it waiting for 
some TSO user for CPU.

Actually, that's what I said in my post (... all three address spaces in
SYSSTC ...).

Also, what I said was that it all runs through cross-memory services, so
it will run at the priority of the requesting task -- NOT at the IRLM
priority.

Take a look at any IRLM under RMF (or your monitor of choice). Except
for the interval it actually starts, you will see no TCB time consumed.
Just SRB. Why? Cross-Memory Services (the [very] little TCB time was
consumed starting the IRLM ASID).

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Re: IBM withdraws Z890 ?!?!?!

2007-07-03 Thread Blaicher, Chris

I would look at history and see that machines are withdrawn as new
machines come on line.  My guess is that a new one will be announced
before fall.  I would also look to other product lines of IBM to see
what might be coming.  They have done some amazing things with the
P-Series.  It would not surprise me that some of what they learned there
doesn't rub off on the z-Series.  Do a google for IBM P6.

A doubling of the processor speed, greater bandwidth, greater
parallelism.  Gee, that all sounds like goodness to me.  The only
question is price/performance, but history says that will get better
too.  


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BMC Software, Inc.
Austin Development Labs
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Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach

This makes z900/z890 perfect solutions for a DRP site. A low MSU rate
machine with 1-15 CBUs. Best deal for a five years deal. 

Itschak   

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
Of Eric Bielefeld

If you're in the market for a new or upgraded CPU, for whatever reason,
why
would you not want to get the latest - in this case a z9.  Why would you
go
with the z890?  I don't know whether the CPU costs more or less, but the
MSU
rating of the z9 and subsequent lower software costs make the z9 a
better
deal.  The only thing I could see working to get a z890 is if on the
used
market the price is so much cheaper that even with the lower software
cost
of the z9, the total package would be cheaper.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434

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Re: Share conference schedule

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A
 
 Has anyone been successful in using the grid view of the 
 conference schedule?  When I select a date, I usually get a 
 display marked rooms 1
 - 0 of 0 rooms.  On the rare occasion when I do see some 
 rooms, clicking on next 5 rooms or a quantity of more than 5 
 results in 0 rooms

Hadn't previously seen that behavior, but I've noticed that for some of
the higher-numbered sessions, an attempt to expand the abbreviated
session abstract retrieves the abstract from a (randomly?) different
session.

 I sent a query to the contact provided but no response yet 

Likewise, and likewise.

-jc-

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Re: ICC question

2007-07-03 Thread Alan Scott

We are in the process of implementing this at this time. As I understand it;
In your ICC configuration, leave the client IP address set to 0.0.0.0 
This will allow a client from any address to connect to this session.

Alan Scott.

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Re: Share conference schedule

2007-07-03 Thread Michael Stack


Barry,

I just now tried the grid view, and it worked - apparently - just 
fine using Firefox 2  (I've never before tried that view).  But if I 
switch away from Show all tracks I wind up in some non-Kansas 
location.  There does appear to be a problem there.


Michael Stack
Product Developer
NEON Enterprise Software, Inc.

At 07:58 AM 7/3/2007 -0700, you wrote:

Has anyone been successful in using the grid view of the conference
schedule?  When I select a date, I usually get a display marked rooms 1
- 0 of 0 rooms.  On the rare occasion when I do see some rooms, clicking
on next 5 rooms or a quantity of more than 5 results in 0 rooms

I sent a query to the contact provided but no response yet (it's only
been 18 hours and I understand volunteers have other activities).


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JES2 Question: Which command to change all output class=1 to class=2?

2007-07-03 Thread McKnight, Lee

We try to keep certain JES output classes on our spool for from 1 to 5
days and keep it clean using daily auto-commands to delete all output
over 5 days old.  But the console operators delete one of the output
classes throughout the day.  Is there a JES command to change all output
class Z, for instance, to class J?  We have been unable to find such a
command in the JES commands manual.  Maybe we overlooked such a command.

Thanks for your suggestions.
Regards,
Lee McKnight
TRC, Inc.

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Re: IGD17272I sms extended dataset allocate

2007-07-03 Thread Larre Shiller

Hmmm.  I'm not a storage administrator, but I thought that one of the reasons 
to allocate a data set as extended was so that the allocation *could* exceed 
the size of any one volume in the storage group by striping the pieces to fit 
on the selected volumes.  No?

And, for what it's worth, SMS L2 confirmed that OA20446 should correct the 
problem that I described in a prior post about this.

Larre

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Re: ICC question

2007-07-03 Thread Rafa Pereira

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:12:47 -0500, Alan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We are in the process of implementing this at this time. As I understand it;
In your ICC configuration, leave the client IP address set to 0.0.0.0
This will allow a client from any address to connect to this session.

Alan Scott.

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There is an example with client-IP=0.0.0.0 in a previous thread about the topic:

http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0602L=IBM-MAIND=0amp;X=7515606B44FC1D2A25Y=rptv2003%40yahoo.comP=173115

Hope that helps.

Rafa.

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Re: IBM withdraws Z890 ?!?!?!

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 I would look at history and see that machines are withdrawn as new
 machines come on line.  My guess is that a new one will be announced
 before fall.  I would also look to other product lines of IBM to see
 what might be coming.  They have done some amazing things with the
 P-Series.  It would not surprise me that some of what they 
 learned there
 doesn't rub off on the z-Series.  Do a google for IBM P6.

 A doubling of the processor speed, greater bandwidth, greater
 parallelism.  Gee, that all sounds like goodness to me.  The only
 question is price/performance, but history says that will get better
 too.  

 Christopher Y. Blaicher

And, just so that we don't think that MSU pricing is a System z only
phenomenon, the AIX (pSeries) people are getting hit with PVU pricing
(Processor Value Units). The new P6 cores cost 1.2 PVUs per core more
than the previous P5 cores. And, again, IBM is saying that the user is
getting more power per PVU because a P6 core is more than 1.2 times a
powerful as a P5 core.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/02/ibm_pvu_power6/

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Re: WLM Setup Question

2007-07-03 Thread Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz

There appears to be multiple questions in this one little thread.
The following is what I generally recommend for many of our large
customers.  Your Mileage will vary.

1.  If you are lucky enough to have 70 million identical transactions running
on your system, and they all have a SLA of 100%  .1 second, then I guess
the Region Goal is working for you.  If you are like most other sites, with
different transactions with different SLAs, and the potential for the work 
to
grow, I'd still recommend Transaction Goals.  Since you can set it up by 
region(s),
it is not difficult to determine what is needed, and define it.  I would 
suggest a
Default Service Class with the majority of the transactions defaulting into 
it, a
Service Class with loved transactions (a select handful), and a Service 
Class for 
not loved transactions (those driving slow devices or those that really 
look like batch).
You can have Production vs. Development vs. Ad-hoc specifications. You can 
have High, Medium,
Low specifications as appropriate.
NOTE: Look for any presentation at the Share web site from Steve Samson for 
the why you want to do
this aspect of the discussion.  Cheryl Watson's QSP doesn't really 
segregate CICS work; but it
was designed for a Quick Start.  If you were fortunate enough to take any 
of her Performance
Classes, I think there was some good information on proper Service Classes. 
 You'll find several
of my WLM Share sessions at the Share web site, or email me privately and 
I'll send them to you.

2.  It is the general recommendation that you have no more than 25-35 ACTIVE 
Service Class Periods
on an LPAR (could be a few less, could be a few more).  For CICS/IMS 
Transaction Service Classes,
you do have to consider the Online Topology.  Single AORs may have a 
different Goal, as compared
to a MRO topology, as compared to a complex topology connecting to DBMS or 
WAS subsystems.  Also, 
do not combine CICS Regions managed to the Region and Transactions into the 
same Service Class. 
Same NOTE from #1.  

3.  I also recommend combining TSO and the Interactive USS work into the same 
Service Class (with 2 or
3 Periods- please avoid the 5 or 7 period varieties).  Be sure to take the 
long-running Daemon work
and assign it to a similar Started Task Service Class (SYSSTC, STCHI, etc.).

4.  I also recommend NOT dumping unnecessary work into SYSSTC.  Not managing 
work to a goal might work
on a under-utilized system, but not really what you want to do.  IRLMs do 
belong in SYSTEM or SYSSTC
(LOCKs should be processed at the highest priority). Some might say that 
the MSTR address space of 
the susbsystem can go into SYSSTC.  Some put DB2DIST in there.  I like 
having 1 or more DB2 managed 
Service Classes based on Availability or SLA requirements.

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Re: IBM withdraws Z890 ?!?!?!

2007-07-03 Thread Walt Farrell


On 7/3/2007 10:10 AM, Itschak Mugzach wrote:

This makes z900/z890 perfect solutions for a DRP site. A low MSU rate
machine with 1-15 CBUs. Best deal for a five years deal. 


Don't you run the risk, when using an older generation of hardware for 
disaster backup, that it might not support some of the newer hardware 
functions your workload may come to depend on?


Walt

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Re: JES2 Question: Which command to change all output class=1 to class=2?

2007-07-03 Thread Kurt Gramling

Lee,
  I believe this command will do what you want.

$TO JOB(*),/Q=Z,Q=J

Kurt Gramling

snip
We try to keep certain JES output classes on our spool for from 1 to 5
days and keep it clean using daily auto-commands to delete all output
over 5 days old.  But the console operators delete one of the output
classes throughout the day.  Is there a JES command to change all output
class Z, for instance, to class J?  We have been unable to find such a
command in the JES commands manual.  Maybe we overlooked such a command.

Thanks for your suggestions.
Regards,
Lee McKnight
TRC, Inc.
snip

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Re: JES2 Question: Which command to change all output class=1 to class=2?

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:25:51 -0500, McKnight, Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We try to keep certain JES output classes on our spool for from 1 to 5
days and keep it clean using daily auto-commands to delete all output
over 5 days old.  But the console operators delete one of the output
classes throughout the day.  Is there a JES command to change all output
class Z, for instance, to class J?  We have been unable to find such a
command in the JES commands manual.  Maybe we overlooked such a command.


$TOJQ,/Q=Z,Q=J 


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Re: JES2 Question Resolved: Which command to change all output class=1 to class=2?

2007-07-03 Thread McKnight, Lee

Hello Kurt,
Thanks!  Exactly what we wanted to do.
Regards, Lee...

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Kurt Gramling
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to class=2?

Lee,
  I believe this command will do what you want.

$TO JOB(*),/Q=Z,Q=J

Kurt Gramling

snip
We try to keep certain JES output classes on our spool for from 1 to 5
days and keep it clean using daily auto-commands to delete all output
over 5 days old.  But the console operators delete one of the output
classes throughout the day.  Is there a JES command to change all output
class Z, for instance, to class J?  We have been unable to find such a
command in the JES commands manual.  Maybe we overlooked such a command.

Thanks for your suggestions.
Regards,
Lee McKnight
TRC, Inc.
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Re: WLM Setup Question

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:56:28 -0700, Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz wrote:

  ...  If you are like most other sites, with
different transactions with different SLAs, and the potential for the work 
 to
grow, I'd still recommend Transaction Goals.  Since you can set it up by 
region(s),
it is not difficult to determine what is needed, and define it.  I would 
suggest a
Default Service Class with the majority of the transactions defaulting 
 into 
it, a
Service Class with loved transactions (a select handful), and a Service 
Class for
not loved transactions (those driving slow devices or those that really 
look like batch).
You can have Production vs. Development vs. Ad-hoc specifications. You 
can have High, Medium,
Low specifications as appropriate.

Be careful with CICS response time goals.  WLM adjusts the CICS and DB2 
regions as needed to meet the transaction goals, but does not manage the 
transactions directly.  As a result, you may find that your not loved 
transactions will go along for the ride, based upon the other transactions that 
are processed by the server regions.

As for the service classes assigned to the server address spaces themselves, 
these are used primarily during initialization.  Once they have registered as a 
server, they will be managed based upon the transactions going through them

I agree completely with the other responses that have been posted.  Keep it 
as simple as possible.  I also prefer response time goals whenever possible, 
including for batch.  For that case, remember that all jobs in a service class 
are treated the same, but by using relatively low percentile goals the long 
running batch will not mess you up too much. For example, you might have a 
goal that 50% of your production jobs finish in 30 minutes.  The occasional six 
hour job will not skew your results at all, unless it is running by itself.  Of 
course, YMMV.

Discretionary is good too.  I even used discretionary for the third period TSO 
that Mark referred to.

Monitor your results, and don't be afraid to change your policy, but give WLM 
as much latitude as possible to do it's work.

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Re: WLM Setup Question

2007-07-03 Thread Staller, Allan

snip
As a result, you may find that your not loved transactions will go
along for the ride, based upon the other transactions that are processed
by the server regions.
/snip

Isn't that the whole point?  If the loved ones are not happy, no one is
happy. If the loved ones are happy, everyone is happy! A rising tide
lifts all boats.

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Re: WLM Setup Question

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:54:27 -0500, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Discretionary is good too.  I even used discretionary for the third period TSO
that Mark referred to.


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Software only VTS?

2007-07-03 Thread Greg Grimm

We are going to replace our tape hardware (Tape Library (ATL), VTS). In 
investigating how our other operating systems use tapes I found that they 
use IBM TSM to talk directly to the ATL - and get high tape utilization (i.e. 
stacking multiple files on tape). kind of like a software VTS. Is there a 
product 
that supports this function on z/OS?

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Re: WLM Setup Question

2007-07-03 Thread Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz

Be sure your durations are properly set so only those SPUFI/FOCUS/SAS folks
running
in the foreground (I think these are best served as Batch) are impacted by
transitioning
to 3rd (or last) period with the DISC goal.

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On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:54:27 -0500, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Discretionary is good too.  I even used discretionary for the third period
TSO
that Mark referred to.


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Re: WLM Setup Question

2007-07-03 Thread Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz

EXACTLY right.  We care about the highest priority transactions getting the
service they need.
If there are no loved ones, then the Region priority rises to the needs of
the default transactions.
And so on for the not loved.  That is what Delivery of Service is about.
Right?

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snip
As a result, you may find that your not loved transactions will go
along for the ride, based upon the other transactions that are processed
by the server regions.
/snip

Isn't that the whole point?  If the loved ones are not happy, no one is
happy. If the loved ones are happy, everyone is happy! A rising tide
lifts all boats.

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Re: Another one bites the dust

2007-07-03 Thread Matt Simpson

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Seems like IBM would put a few summer interns to work writing conversions  
 GUIs showing the conversion balloon. 

In many cases, the replacement hardware/software also comes from IBM  
(pseries/AIX/Shark/DS4000 in our case).  Why in the world would IBM want 
to warn customers in advance how much it's going to cost to get rid of 
the expensive mainframe, when they stand to make far more as the 
customer keeps rolling in more cheap servers?
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Re: Another one bites the dust

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 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:

  Seems like IBM would put a few summer interns to work 
 writing conversions  
  GUIs showing the conversion balloon. 

 In many cases, the replacement hardware/software also comes from IBM  
 (pseries/AIX/Shark/DS4000 in our case).  Why in the world 
 would IBM want 
 to warn customers in advance how much it's going to cost to 
 get rid of 
 the expensive mainframe, when they stand to make far more as the 
 customer keeps rolling in more cheap servers?
 -- 
 Matt Simpson --  z/OS Support

We need to remember that the iSeries, pSeries, xSeries, and zSeries
marketting organizations are separate. I am sure that the pSeries people
would be glad to replace as many zSeries machines are they could. And
vice versa. IBM is not one big happy family with a single corporate
goal. They are more like the user departments in a company - each out to
get what they can and devil take the hindmost! Well, the user
departments that I've had to work with at times seem to be that way. 

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Career Advice Sought

I just had some disappointing news.  The systems programmer job I was really 
hoping to get, about 30 miles from my house, fell through.  You keep hearing 
about shortages of people, but as far as I can tell, there were at least 7 
or 8 qualified applicants for the job.


Since this is one of about 2 jobs I've seen open in the Milwaukee area 
during the last 2 years, I'm really thinking about looking for something 
else.  After moving to Dodgeville for what was supposed to be a 6 to 12 
month contract, and then moving back to Milwaukee after 4 months, I have 
come to the conclusion that I don't want to move again. at least not 
permanently.


My question is, what kind of jobs should I look for?  I would still like to 
work with mainframes if I can.  I think there are still about 10 shops left 
in the area.  I don't want to work 3rd shift, or the 6 P.M. to 6 A.M. shift 
that many in operations work now.  I don't think I could do that any more. 
I was an operator a long time ago.  I suspect most people start out on the 
night shift.


I had 10 credits of classes in Linux Administration, and another 12 in Cisco 
Networking.  I could see myself doing Linux or Unix admin work, but I don't 
think I'd like to be a non- mainframe network person.  Also, my lack of 
experience in either of those areas probably is not good.


I've thought about learning Java.  I know a few places around here are 
looking for Java progarmmers on the mainframe.  The local technical college 
offers a Java class staring nex semester.  Also, I used to do Cobol 
programming, but I haven't done that for about 25 years.


Any advice?  I am able to take a salary cut, as I would  be starting out 
with very little experience in anything I did in programming or any other 
mainframe work other than sysprog work.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Re: Another one bites the dust

2007-07-03 Thread Rich Smrcina


Don't forget to add the outsourcing biz as well.

System z lost a 9 IFL bid to IBM outsourcing for a SMB SAP on z 
implementation late last year.  This is a long time mainframe customer, 
too.  Not large by any stretch, but a great early Linux reference.


Tsk, tsk...

McKown, John wrote:

We need to remember that the iSeries, pSeries, xSeries, and zSeries
marketting organizations are separate. I am sure that the pSeries people
would be glad to replace as many zSeries machines are they could. And
vice versa. IBM is not one big happy family with a single corporate
goal. They are more like the user departments in a company - each out to
get what they can and devil take the hindmost! Well, the user
departments that I've had to work with at times seem to be that way. 


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Re: Career Advice Sought

2007-07-03 Thread Gregory, Gary G

Eric,

For what it's worth I was in your same situation a couple of years ago.
I had a fantastic opportunity to take two years off go to graduate
school and ended up graduating a semester early.  When that happened I
hadn't even started to look for a job.  When it did happen I was
commuting 360 miles from West Texas to the metroplex for work.  Heck,
I'm still doing that since my house, family, etc are still out there and
I didn't want to uproot them.

Best of luck - I've been there and can appreciate your situation more
than you know.

Regards,

Gary Garland Gregory, MS
CA 
Senior Software Engineer
Tel: +1-214-473-1863
Fax: +1-214-473-1050
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I just had some disappointing news.  The systems programmer job I was
really 
hoping to get, about 30 miles from my house, fell through.  You keep
hearing 
about shortages of people, but as far as I can tell, there were at least
7 
or 8 qualified applicants for the job.


Any advice?  I am able to take a salary cut, as I would  be starting out

with very little experience in anything I did in programming or any
other 
mainframe work other than sysprog work.

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Re: Another one bites the dust

2007-07-03 Thread Thompson, Steve

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Behalf Of Matt Simpson
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Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Seems like IBM would put a few summer interns to work writing 
 conversions GUIs showing the conversion balloon.

In many cases, the replacement hardware/software also comes from IBM
(pseries/AIX/Shark/DS4000 in our case).  Why in the world would IBM want
to warn customers in advance how much it's going to cost to get rid of
the expensive mainframe, when they stand to make far more as the
customer keeps rolling in more cheap servers?
SNIP

In the case that I quoted (former customer of mine), IBM sold them on
moving to the z/800 to facilitate the migration to Siebel. Then included
in that were the services to migrate to z/OS, the services to implement
Siebel. Then when IBM and Siebel failed, they brought in yet another
company that was going to do this by offshoring().

IBM laughed all the way to the bank with the amount of excess hardware
that went into that shop. And when they tried to sell the excess
hardware, it was only worth about 20 cents on the dollar -- mind you,
the equipment was 1-3 years old at that point (depending on which
item/box).

It would seem to me that this kind of behavior is predatory by IBM. But
hey, I'm not an attorney, so what could I possibly know?

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Career Advice Sought

2007-07-03 Thread Timothy Sipples

Eric Bielefeld writes:
I've thought about learning Java.  I know a few places around here are
looking for Java progarmmers on the mainframe.  The local technical
college
offers a Java class staring nex semester.  Also, I used to do Cobol
programming, but I haven't done that for about 25 years.

PL/I by any chance?

http://www.nmfn.com/tn/careers--corp--actuarial_careers?page=9

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Re: WLM Setup Question

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:49:50 -0700, Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz
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Be sure your durations are properly set so only those SPUFI/FOCUS/SAS folks
running
in the foreground (I think these are best served as Batch) are impacted by
transitioning
to 3rd (or last) period with the DISC goal.


My duration for 2nd period is extremely long.  So long that 3rd period doesn't
count as an active period except on my penalty box LPAR. 

But I wouldn't say that is good for everyone.  Depending on the environment
someone may a want shorter 2nd period and have some other TSO work
fall into 3rd period and may not even want it to be discretionary.  We can
make general recommendations, but there  is no one size fits all when it 
comes to WLM and everything is relative to everything else, so it really 
doesn't make sense to talk about one environment's specific importance 
and velocity goals if you don't have a complete picture.

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Re: Career Advice Sought

2007-07-03 Thread Gary Green

Curious you should ask that question Tim  Why?


 On Wed Jul  4  3:45 , Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

Eric Bielefeld writes:
I've thought about learning Java.  I know a few places around here are
looking for Java progarmmers on the mainframe.  The local technical
college
offers a Java class staring nex semester.  Also, I used to do Cobol
programming, but I haven't done that for about 25 years.

PL/I by any chance?

http://www.nmfn.com/tn/careers--corp--actuarial_careers\?page=9

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MEMLIMIT again -- Consensus on Default Size?

Hi, All,

I see in the CICS TS 3.2 Migration Guide that this newest CICS release
requires a minimum MEMLIMIT of 2G, or it will refuse to start up.  Last
time this topic came up here, there didn't seem to be a consensus on
what a good system default should be for MEMLIMIT; and only two
posters gave their shops' defaults:  One said 4G, and the other said
10G.  Would anybody who's gained experience with MEMLIMIT sizing since
then care to comment?

On a somewhat related note, I vaguely recall someone posting that DB2 v8
(might have been v9) takes a MEMLIMIT of 4T, without regard to what
installation default is or is not specified.  Is that true, or am I
hallucinating?

TIA,

-jc-


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Re: Career Advice Sought


Tim,

Thanks, I'll check that out.  I actually worked as a student programmer 
converting PL/I programs from OS/360 (Mod 40) PL/I to run on a Honeywell 
computer before I became a systems programmer.


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434

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Eric Bielefeld writes:

I've thought about learning Java.  I know a few places around here are
looking for Java progarmmers on the mainframe.  The local technical

college

offers a Java class staring nex semester.  Also, I used to do Cobol
programming, but I haven't done that for about 25 years.


PL/I by any chance?

http://www.nmfn.com/tn/careers--corp--actuarial_careers?page=9

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Re: MEMLIMIT again -- Consensus on Default Size?

2007-07-03 Thread Mark Jacobs


Chase, John wrote:

Hi, All,

I see in the CICS TS 3.2 Migration Guide that this newest CICS release
requires a minimum MEMLIMIT of 2G, or it will refuse to start up.  Last
time this topic came up here, there didn't seem to be a consensus on
what a good system default should be for MEMLIMIT; and only two
posters gave their shops' defaults:  One said 4G, and the other said
10G.  Would anybody who's gained experience with MEMLIMIT sizing since
then care to comment?

On a somewhat related note, I vaguely recall someone posting that DB2 v8
(might have been v9) takes a MEMLIMIT of 4T, without regard to what
installation default is or is not specified.  Is that true, or am I
hallucinating?

TIA,

-jc-


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We just started a migration to DB2 v8 and I just looked at the memlimit 
allocations a test subsystem we have up.


 TASK MEMORY   MEMLIM   NUMALLOC  HIDDENHWM 
 NAME LIMITSOURCE   OBJ MEM MEM MEM 
  ---  ---  -  --  --  --


TBDAIRLM   2G  AUTHPGM  2  3M  0M  3M 
TBDADBM1  NOLIMIT   REG=0   5  14354M  1M  14353M 


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PL/I will rule the world ... not

2007-07-03 Thread Chris Hoelscher

when I was a freshman at (The) Ohio State University wy back in 1975, I
took a PL/I class - we were told then that this was *such* an all
encompassing and easy-to-learn language that COBOL and FORTRAN would be
non-existant as a commercial programming language within 5 years 

well, they were half right - haven;t seen many Fortran shops recently ...

can you say: IF x-3 100,200,300 (I may have actual syntax wrong)



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Re: Career Advice Sought

2007-07-03 Thread Ken Porowski

Don't forget about related areas.

With a Mainframe background, storage management would easily fit, maybe
security (we do do it best after all), and DR (for a reasonable shop
size it's easily an FTE (or 2 or 3)), maybe even change management.

Then you can tell the squatty box gang  The Mainframe can do it, why
can't you? grin

Ken
 

-Original Message-
Eric Bielefeld

I just had some disappointing news.  The systems programmer job I was
really hoping to get, about 30 miles from my house, fell through.  You
keep hearing about shortages of people, but as far as I can tell, there
were at least 7 or 8 qualified applicants for the job.

Since this is one of about 2 jobs I've seen open in the Milwaukee area
during the last 2 years, I'm really thinking about looking for something
else.  After moving to Dodgeville for what was supposed to be a 6 to 12
month contract, and then moving back to Milwaukee after 4 months, I have
come to the conclusion that I don't want to move again. at least not
permanently.

My question is, what kind of jobs should I look for?  I would still like
to work with mainframes if I can.  I think there are still about 10
shops left in the area.  I don't want to work 3rd shift, or the 6 P.M.
to 6 A.M. shift that many in operations work now.  I don't think I could
do that any more. 
I was an operator a long time ago.  I suspect most people start out on
the night shift.

I had 10 credits of classes in Linux Administration, and another 12 in
Cisco Networking.  I could see myself doing Linux or Unix admin work,
but I don't think I'd like to be a non- mainframe network person.  Also,
my lack of experience in either of those areas probably is not good.

I've thought about learning Java.  I know a few places around here are
looking for Java progarmmers on the mainframe.  The local technical
college offers a Java class staring nex semester.  Also, I used to do
Cobol programming, but I haven't done that for about 25 years.

Any advice?  I am able to take a salary cut, as I would  be starting out
with very little experience in anything I did in programming or any
other mainframe work other than sysprog work.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434

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Re: DFHSM QUESTION - TTOC RECYCLE

2007-07-03 Thread Schwarz, Barry A

If you really have to know which volumes are involved before you do the
actual recycle (a management issue, not a technical one), look at the
DISPLAY and VERIFY operands of the RECYCLE command.

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Subject: DFHSM QUESTION - TTOC  RECYCLE

G'day to all,

  I have a potential problem with one of our migrate (DFHSM) tapes.  I
would like to perform a recycle of the tape so as to move the dsns off
it.  I did a HSEND LIST TTOC of the volser of the suspect tape.  It
gave me a list of dsns on it.  My question is how could I find out if
this tape is part of another tape?  By this I mean how can I ensure that
it is only 1 tape and is not sequence 2 or 3 or 4.  I know that in order
to perform a recycle it is prudent to know all the volsers that are
connected to the tape and the recycle of the tape must be done for all
the tapes associated with it.  I checked the doc but I could not find
the command that would help me.  Can somebody be so kind as to point me
to the right direction?

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Re: MEMLIMIT again -- Consensus on Default Size?

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs
 
 Chase, John wrote:
  [ snip ]
 
  On a somewhat related note, I vaguely recall someone posting that
DB2 
  v8 (might have been v9) takes a MEMLIMIT of 4T, without regard to 
  what installation default is or is not specified.  Is that true, or
am 
  I hallucinating?

 We just started a migration to DB2 v8 and I just looked at 
 the memlimit allocations a test subsystem we have up.
 
   TASK MEMORY   MEMLIM   NUMALLOC  HIDDENHWM 
   NAME LIMITSOURCE   OBJ MEM MEM MEM 
   ---  ---  -  --  --  --
 
 TBDAIRLM   2G  AUTHPGM  2  3M  0M  3M 
 TBDADBM1  NOLIMIT   REG=0   5  14354M  1M  14353M 

Thanks; I'll pass that along to my boss.

Do you have a MEMLIMIT default specified somewhere?

-jc-

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Re: MEMLIMIT again -- Consensus on Default Size?

2007-07-03 Thread Richbourg, Claude

As we all know, JAVA and other apps can now be quite a consumer in
storage consumption. I have set up a 16G default and we have had no
trouble with JAVA so far But, we are going to be ramping up the
amount of work done in JAVA, for web apps, so I'll wait and see how that
goes. We are CICSTS31.
BOL.
My two cents.

Claude Richbourg
Florida Department of Corrections
Systems Programmer III
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Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 2:54 PM
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Subject: MEMLIMIT again -- Consensus on Default Size?

Hi, All,

I see in the CICS TS 3.2 Migration Guide that this newest CICS release
requires a minimum MEMLIMIT of 2G, or it will refuse to start up.  Last
time this topic came up here, there didn't seem to be a consensus on
what a good system default should be for MEMLIMIT; and only two
posters gave their shops' defaults:  One said 4G, and the other said
10G.  Would anybody who's gained experience with MEMLIMIT sizing since
then care to comment?

On a somewhat related note, I vaguely recall someone posting that DB2 v8
(might have been v9) takes a MEMLIMIT of 4T, without regard to what
installation default is or is not specified.  Is that true, or am I
hallucinating?

TIA,

-jc-


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Re: Career Advice Sought

Don't forget about related areas.

With a Mainframe background, storage management would easily fit, maybe
security (we do do it best after all), and DR (for a reasonable shop
size it's easily an FTE (or 2 or 3)), maybe even change management.

Then you can tell the squatty box gang  The Mainframe can do it, why
can't you? grin

Ken


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system programmer you have experience in setting up the WLM, getting the
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subsystem response time and fixing problems, etc. it could be a natural
conversion.  Then once you've started on mainframe performance analysis
you could move to other platforms and do it across the enterprise.  

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Re: MEMLIMIT again -- Consensus on Default Size?

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:54:06 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi, All,

I see in the CICS TS 3.2 Migration Guide that this newest CICS release
requires a minimum MEMLIMIT of 2G, or it will refuse to start up.  Last
time this topic came up here, there didn't seem to be a consensus on
what a good system default should be for MEMLIMIT; and only two
posters gave their shops' defaults:  One said 4G, and the other said
10G.  Would anybody who's gained experience with MEMLIMIT sizing since
then care to comment?


I was probably one of those 2.  No change... still 10G default via SMFPRMxx
and protection via IEFUSI.   

On a somewhat related note, I vaguely recall someone posting that DB2 v8
(might have been v9) takes a MEMLIMIT of 4T, without regard to what
installation default is or is not specified.  Is that true, or am I
hallucinating?


Also should be in the archives.  2G for IRLM (unless you specify something
higher IIRC) and 4T for DBM1 - unless it gets MEMLIMIT=NOLIMIT by virtue
of REGION=0M.  Again I think this has all been covered before. 

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zLinux and MySql

2007-07-03 Thread Anton Britz

Hi,

Is there anybody out there that are running MySql on zLinux ?

Anton

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Re: zLinux and MySql

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 Hi,

 Is there anybody out there that are running MySql on zLinux ?

 Anton

You might want to ask on the Linux for 390 forum.

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Re: WLM Setup Question

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:18:56 -0500, Staller, Allan wrote:

As a result, you may find that your not loved transactions will go
along for the ride, based upon the other transactions that are processed
by the server regions.

Isn't that the whole point?  If the loved ones are not happy, no one is
happy. If the loved ones are happy, everyone is happy! A rising tide
lifts all boats.

Well, not exactly.  I was just warning Lizette not to get too involved in the 
details.  You can put a lot of effort into categorizing your CICS transactions. 
 
These are more important than those, that one is a pig, etc.  But if they all 
run through the same servers, they will all get the same service, regardless of 
defining different goals for them.

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Re: zLinux and MySql

2007-07-03 Thread Rich Smrcina

Yes, runs well.  But, John is right, this should really be on the 
linux-390 list.


Anton Britz wrote:

Hi,

Is there anybody out there that are running MySql on zLinux ?

Anton


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Re: Software only VTS?

2007-07-03 Thread Timothy Sipples

Greg Grimm writes:
We are going to replace our tape hardware (Tape Library (ATL), VTS). In
investigating how our other operating systems use tapes I found that
they
use IBM TSM to talk directly to the ATL - and get high tape utilization
(i.e.
stacking multiple files on tape). kind of like a software VTS. Is there a
product
that supports this function on z/OS?

If the goal is to get higher tape utilization, there are many ways to do
that.  Tape stacking is one good way, and there are many such products.
One example is IBM Tivoli Tape Optimizer for z/OS:

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/tape-optimizer-zos/

And there are many other products in this general category.  Here are some
that might be applicable:

CA - BrightStor CA-Vtape
CA - BrightStor CA-1 CopyCat
UNICOM - CARTS/TS
OpenTech - Tape/Copy
Innovation Data Processing - FATSCOPY
BetaSystems - Beta 55 Storage Optimization Manager
SEA - ZELA Tape Stacking
Cartagena Software - TelTape/390

There have been a lot of discussions in the IBM-MAIN archives about
hardware VTSes and when they have value.  That's probably worth some study.
It could very well be that hardware VTS is the way to go.  Also, I couldn't
quite tell if you know about Tivoli Storage Manager for z/OS.  Sounds like
it, but just mentioning it.

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Re: PL/I will rule the world ... not

2007-07-03 Thread Jeffrey Deaver

when I was a freshman at (The) Ohio State
University wy back in 1975, I took a
PL/I class

Had PL/I at the University of South Dakota in 1987.  I think '89 was the
last year they taught it there.  PL/I still survives in my current shop -
in maintenance mode, anyway.

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Re: PL/I will rule the world ... not

Had PL/I at the University of South Dakota in 1987.

I learned it after graduating.
For some reason, the University of Waterloo never considered it as a credit 
course for Computer Science students.

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Re: PL/I will rule the world ... not

2007-07-03 Thread Patrick O'Keefe

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:02:14 -0400, Chris Hoelscher 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

when I was a freshman at (The) Ohio State University wy back 
in 1975, ...

You're making me feel old.  (Ok, ok.  I already felt old.)
 
...I took a PL/I class - we were told then that this was *such* an all
encompassing and easy-to-learn language that COBOL and 
FORTRAN would be non-existant as a commercial programming
language within 5 years 

well, they were half right - haven;t seen many Fortran shops 
recently ...
...

They were obviously wrong about COBOL and probably wrong about
FORTRAN (although I have no idea what goes on in scientific and 
engineering shops where it might be used).   But I think they got the
easy to learn part right.

When I was a senior at University of Washington (Seattle) in 1968 I
worked part time as an operator at the IBM datacenter.  I found an
old draft copy of an early PLI/F  Reference manual and taught myself
PL/I.  I was never really proficient, and never tried esoterica like its
subtask (synchronous processing) support, but was able to write 
some pretty useful little tools.  

I lost access to a PL/I compiler in 1986, but shortly thereafter got 
access to REXX.  Near as I can tell, the easy parts of PL/I were
lifted from PL/I and plopped down n REXX.  If you know REXX you 
pretty much know simple PL/I.  (Just don't forget the semicolon that
is optional in REXX.  And the PROCEDURE statement.)

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: Software only VTS?

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:43:29 -0500, Greg Grimm wrote:

We are going to replace our tape hardware (Tape Library (ATL), VTS). In
investigating how our other operating systems use tapes I found that they
use IBM TSM to talk directly to the ATL - and get high tape utilization (i.e.
stacking multiple files on tape). kind of like a software VTS. Is there a 
product
that supports this function on z/OS?

TSM is primarily a backup/archive utility.  Under z/OS those functions are 
handled primarily by products like HSM or FDR/ABR.  I'm not sure about HSM, 
but ABR does an excellent job of filling up tapes.

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Re: zLinux and MySql

2007-07-03 Thread Anton Britz

Hi,

Thanks for the responses but Rich, I am not sure why you are posting me a 
pointer to your house and what your GrandMother likes for breakfast.

Note: 

a) I have subscribed to the zLinux list
b) There is very little acitivity on this list .. Google does not even know 
about 
it.
c) There is no LISTSERV web interface into this list. Just pointers to IBM's 
web 
site..

Anton

Note: No begging for work in my footnote !!

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:08:00 -0500, Rich Smrcina [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Yes, runs well.  But, John is right, this should really be on the
linux-390 list.

Anton Britz wrote:
 Hi,

 Is there anybody out there that are running MySql on zLinux ?

 Anton

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Re: PL/I will rule the world ... not

2007-07-03 Thread Steve Comstock


Jeffrey Deaver wrote:

when I was a freshman at (The) Ohio State
University wy back in 1975, I took a
PL/I class



Had PL/I at the University of South Dakota in 1987.  I think '89 was the
last year they taught it there.  PL/I still survives in my current shop -
in maintenance mode, anyway.



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We do PL/I training, still. And many of our multi-lingual
classes include PL/I lectures and labs for those who care
to use that language. This includes
  DB2 programming courses
  CICS courses
  Language Environment classes
  z/OS UNIX programming classes
  CGI programming classes
  and so on.
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Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock
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Re: PL/I will rule the world ... not

2007-07-03 Thread David Andrews

On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 15:22 -0500, Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
 I found an old draft copy of an early PLI/F Reference
 manual and taught myself PL/I.  I was never really
 proficient, and never tried esoterica like its
 subtask (synchronous processing) support

Event variables were annoying in those days.  I remember that you
couldn't test an event variable - essentially an ECB - for COMPLETION()
if it was associated with a DISPLAY...REPLY statement.  The event
wouldn't post complete until you waited on it.  It wasn't possible to
issue a message to the operator and check back every so often to see if
you'd gotten a reply.

You could resort to multitasking, but then you couldn't be an IMS
application.  Multitasking caused the PL/I main prologue to initiate a
root task which would in turn ATTACH your own main task.  Due to the
design of IMS, the TCB that was given control in a dependent region had
to be the same TCB that issued PLITDLI calls.  So no IMS for me!

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SHARE meeting

2007-07-03 Thread Jeffrey Deaver

So SHARE is only 5.714 weeks away now, so I need to start planning.   Main
question for this group - How do I go about meeting some of you while I'm
there?

While I attended the 2001Minneapolis meeting, it was in a limited fashion,
and I was not following IBM-Main back then.  Now I'd like to meet as many
of you as possible while I'm there.  I seem to remember receptions in the
evening where the tables had certain themes?  Is there an IBM-Main table?
Or should I just wear a t-shirt that says IBM-Main Groupie - Say Hi To
Me.

Jeffrey Deaver, Engineer
Systems Engineering
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651-665-4231(v)
651-610-7670(p)

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Re: Career Advice Sought

2007-07-03 Thread Phil Kingston

Believe me, there's the same problem over in the UK.

I've been a sysprog for the last 16years, the last 11 as a contractor
and now at 37 there doesn't seem to be any work any more...

What work there is, is chased after by the same people. Rates are
holding up, but that's about it.

You try to apply for Storage Admin work, or Ops Analyst work or similar,
but there's always just as many real guys going for the job as well
which means it's a dead end. Also considering the complexity of Storage
Admin these days.

You can literally count on one hand the number of Full time jobs as a
sysprog in the UK and Europe, since the beginning of the year let alone
contracts. And apparently there's supposed to be a skills shortage.
I don't think so!

Retraining is a very hard thing to do, due to the inherent pay cut due
to the lack of experience.  Personally I think the best option is to get
PRINCE 2 or ITIL and go into problem management. This could end up being
a possible niche market.

Otherwise it's all about waiting 10 years until everyone starts
retiring... Anyone for early retirement Please!!!

Phil.

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Don't forget about related areas.

With a Mainframe background, storage management would easily fit, maybe
security (we do do it best after all), and DR (for a reasonable shop
size it's easily an FTE (or 2 or 3)), maybe even change management.

Then you can tell the squatty box gang  The Mainframe can do it, why
can't you? grin

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Re: SHARE meeting

 
In a message dated 7/3/2007 4:04:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

of you  as possible while I'm there.  I seem to remember receptions in  the
evening where the tables had certain themes?  Is there an IBM-Main  table?
Or should I just wear a t-shirt that says IBM-Main Groupie - Say Hi  To
Me.




No the PFCSKs objected to the presence of 'the Sign'. Sam Knutson kindly  
packaged it and sent it to Darren. These days you must wear a pocket protector  
and flash the secret sign with the decoder ring.



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Re: Software only VTS?

2007-07-03 Thread Russell Witt

As Timothy stated, there are may options. Some (CA-1/Copycat, TLMS/Copycat,
Tivoli Tape Optimizer, TAPESAVER, FATSCOPY) will copy tapes files AFTER they
have been created and stack them together. CA-Vtape is a true virtual-tape
emulation that uses existing dasd as the cache and then stacks the copies
on the backend high-capacity cartridges. So a lot really depends on what you
are trying to eliminate. Any of these would allow you to consolidate and
fully utilize the new higher-capacity drives. If you are also trying to
eliminate the number of physical drives you use; then a true virtual-tape
emulation will be needed. That would either by an IBM VTS, Sun/STK VSM,
CA-Vtape, the EMC Copycross or a few others. Most require some specific
hardward purchase, but EMC will work if you already have an EMC dasd device
and CA-Vtape will work with any dasd devices.

Russell Witt
CA-1 Level-2 Support Manager

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Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 12:43 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Software only VTS?


We are going to replace our tape hardware (Tape Library (ATL), VTS). In
investigating how our other operating systems use tapes I found that they
use IBM TSM to talk directly to the ATL - and get high tape utilization
(i.e.
stacking multiple files on tape). kind of like a software VTS. Is there a
product
that supports this function on z/OS?

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Re: SHARE meeting

2007-07-03 Thread Michael Stack


At 05:18 PM 7/3/2007 -0400, you wrote:

...

No the PFCSKs objected to the presence of 'the Sign'. Sam Knutson kindly
packaged it and sent it to Darren. These days you must wear a pocket 
protector

and flash the secret sign with the decoder ring.



Well, that's a shame.  Of course, the notion that there are any 
PFCSKs at SHARE is a bit mind-boggling since all I usually view is a 
sea of gray (especially in the mirror). :-D



Michael Stack
Product Developer
NEON Enterprise Software, Inc.

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Re: IBM withdraws Z890 ?!?!?!

2007-07-03 Thread Ed Gould


On Jul 3, 2007, at 1:31 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote:


Like Edward, I'm puzzled by some of the reaction to this
withdrawal-in-the-future announcement.

Some people beat up IBM for *not* withdrawing older models soon  
enough,
because they begin to think IBM isn't busy designing the next  
model!  This
announcement is simply 6+/12+ months' advance notice, for your  
planning and
procurement purposes, that new z890 machines won't be orderable  
from the

factory.  There are new z890s (for now), z890s (and even z800s) on the
secondary market, and new z9 BCs.

It's a familiar pattern now stretching into its 43rd year and  
counting.

New model is announced which is faster, more flexible, lower cost, and
downright better.  Less and less demand for new examples of the older
model.  Over a year (!) later, IBM gives lots of advance warning  
that the
older model will no longer be available new from the factory.   
Maintenance
services, software support, and secondary market availability for  
the older

model continue for a long, long, long time.  Loop, repeat.

I don't get it.  Does someone here have the factory cargo shipping  
contract

but only for the z890? :-)

Thank goodness for redoubled innovation, I say.

Timothy,

Probably INTEL.

Ed

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Re: SHARE meeting

 
In a message dated 7/3/2007 5:01:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

PFCSKs  at SHARE is a bit mind-boggling since all I usually view is a 
sea of gray  (especially in the mirror). :-D




Used to be a 370 was a requirement for entry. Think it got down to PS/2 in  
the late 80's. We actually sent some of our younger folks in the early  
nineties and they usually left for greener pastures within a few  months!!! 



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Apple looses to IBM

2007-07-03 Thread Ed Gould


Green Scorecard Puts IBM Top, Apple Last
PC World via Yahoo! News Tue, 03 Jul 2007 8:00 AM PDT
An organic climate change lobby group has issued green ratings for  
hardware and software-based IT suppliers as well as other businesses.  
IBM leads the IT pack while Apple, Amazon and eBay are bottom with  
zero green credentials.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20070703/tc_pcworld/134123

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Re: Apple looses to IBM

2007-07-03 Thread Campbell Jay

All this stuff about global climate change is seriously getting on my
nerves.

Over which period of the last 13 billion years has the climate *NOT*
changed ?

(political... Kill it now... Or Darren will) 

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Green Scorecard Puts IBM Top, Apple Last PC World via Yahoo! News Tue,
03 Jul 2007 8:00 AM PDT An organic climate change lobby group has issued
green ratings for hardware and software-based IT suppliers as well as
other businesses.  
IBM leads the IT pack while Apple, Amazon and eBay are bottom with zero
green credentials.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20070703/tc_pcworld/134123

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Re: SHARE meeting

2007-07-03 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:03:42 -0500, Jeffrey Deaver 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How do I go about meeting some of you while I'm
there?

While I attended the 2001Minneapolis meeting, it was in a limited fashion,
and I was not following IBM-Main back then.  Now I'd like to meet as many
of you as possible while I'm there.  I seem to remember receptions in the
evening where the tables had certain themes?  Is there an IBM-Main table?
Or should I just wear a t-shirt that says IBM-Main Groupie - Say Hi To
Me.


Wave a handful of twenties in the air and we will find you.

The MVS SCP project was setting up both an IBM-MAIN and an MVS Banner. 
We retired the IBM-MAIN, but not the MVS banner. Blue with white lettering 
as I recall. Usually on the right hand side of the room as you go in.

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Re: ICC question

2007-07-03 Thread Andy White

Rafa -
I like the idea of using the 0.0.0.0 then setting the LU in my
emulator. This way we can control who logs in to the console, do you know
if there is anyway to setup a password. I cant seem to find away. I guess
its either you use hard coded IP address for the better security. Or you
do what you described and just hope the no one tries to get in who isn't
suppose to with the LUxxx name in their emulator. As I told the operations
staff I guess they keep the LU names to themselves and if someone is
getting in we know its either onsite or via VPN because the address for
the ICC is a private address.

Thanks

Andy
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There is an example with client-IP=0.0.0.0 in a previous thread about the
topic:

http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0602L=IBM-MAIND=0amp;X=7515606B44FC1D2A25Y=rptv2003%40yahoo.comP=173115

Hope that helps.

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Re: Career Advice Sought [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

2007-07-03 Thread Fenner, Jim

Hello Eric,
Just on principle, you need never apologise for lack of
experience, it's all relative.
Gotta think positive to sell yourself, all negative thinking must be
eliminated.

For example-
You are far ahead of the pack in so many of the areas that count; 
you offer your next employer high intelligence which is not a commodity,
wisdom (rarer still), a can-do attitude and proven ability to work with
all types of people ie you are not just a nerd.
You have the highest possible language skills, you're a switched on
self-starter, and you are the sort an employer can trust to make things
work and not corrupt or 'misplace' production data.
You are gaining various skills as you go along. 
You have chosen breadth rather than a too-narrow range of skills.
Because you are a professional, you will happily use whatever tools they
provide and not be religious about operating systems or programming
languages. You can manage staff - people are more interesting to
program than computers. You can assist in hiring interviews etc etc.
Healthy companies hire...

Much as we all enjoy reading Dilbert, we must all be careful lest the
cartoons about pointy-haired bosses implant in us openly cynical
attitudes towards our new employers and corporations. Such attitudes
can't be hidden. We all do best to leave them at home.
Newspapers are depressing. Read the funnies and trash the headlines.

Remind yourself just before your interviews that you are there to help
them achieve their goals and policies. Wise employers will realise you
have the attitude they want.  

Good luck in finding such an employer, don't despair, 

Jim 
Canberra


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I just had some disappointing news. 

snip my lack of experience in either of those areas probably is not
good.
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Re: DFSMShsm Common Recall Queue

2007-07-03 Thread reynaldo nobre muntoreanu


Jim

You can find theses requirements in z/OS  DFSMShsm Implementation and
Customization manual, It describes step by step how  can you implement
CRQPLEX. It´s very simple, with about  tree or  four steps.
I recommend you  verify if PTF`S are needed as prereq´s for your
instalation.


Regards

RMUNTOR


2007/6/27, James Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hi

I am trying to find and example of how to setup the SYSPLEX requirements
to implement CRQ.

I have looked in z/OS V1R7.0 MVS Setting Up a Sysplex  and other related
manuals without success.



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Re: Career Advice Sought [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]