Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article)
Dean Kent writes: [Re: SOI technology.] It has not been shown that either of these provides any benefit in performance, and has nothing at all to do with feature size. It was supposed to help with leakage, but Intel seems to be doing quite will without these. We're getting way, way far afield here, but there are a few points to tidy up. Indeed Intel has not widely deployed SOI, though their primary objection is cost and not value. (Patent royalties?) And Intel does concede they see value in an SOI variant called FD-SOI. Also, Wikipedia happens to disagree with you re: the usefulness of SOI. I realize Intel has its point of view, but Intel the semiconductor market. Re: Copper, IBM invented it and now virtually all semiconductor companies, including Intel, use it. However, IBM is positioning the mainframe to compete in some of the same markets that x86 competes. Some, yes. IBM also sells lots of X86 servers (and software and services): http://www.ibm.com/systems/x An IBM rep would be happy to work with you to understand which server(s) is(are) appropriate for your particular business. And it'll have extremely little to do with SPECint. :-) As far as the largest semiconductor manufacturers in the world, Intel is #1, with Samsung, TI, Toshiba and STmicro rounding out the top 5. IBM isn't listed in the top 10 list. AMD was listed as #7 as of Dec 2006, so the two leading x86 manufacturers are in the top 10. This, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with whether any given product is a better performer than any other. Big problems with that ranking you've got, though. For one thing it excludes foundries -- you know, the places where chips are actually made. :-) IBM is a substantial foundry for other companies on the list. Also, that list excludes royalties and RD services, areas where IBM happens to make lots of money -- and which are the most relevant for purposes of this discussion thread. It was stated that IBM invests $1.2B annually on mainframe RD (hardware, software and services). Intel, on the other hand, spends almost $6B on their semiconductor business alone. Please do note that that advertised figure is *direct* investment. If IBM invents SOI or, more recently, airgap nano-assembly, that RD money is not counted in the z bucket even though it has a huge beneficial impact. And, no, Intel does not spend nearly $6B on its semiconductor business alone. That figure is the company's *total* corporate-wide RD budget -- and Intel expects that figure will dip to roughly $5.3B in 2007, by the way. Maybe the X86 market isn't so competitive this year. :-) I'm sure it's mostly semiconductors, since that's Intel's core business, but some portion is not (e.g. compilers). It also includes such things as wireless chip, graphics chip, and flash memory RD, areas largely irrelevant to business server development. RD related to notebook computers, PDAs, mobile phones, and other small devices has only partial relevance to business servers, and mobile computing is really Intel's focus at the moment. Now, that's still a lot of RD money, but for comparison IBM's annual corporate RD budget exceeds $6B. Re: Fault tolerance, software plays no role? Of course it does. Could you lash together two X86 or Itanium chips and have them execute in parallel? Yes, you could. But the software above it is the huge problem. The IBM mainframe design is unique in pushing RAS down deeper into the hardware and in having the most mature, popular, business-oriented operating system and middleware products riding shotgun. Granted, I worry about software a lot, but it really is extremely important. The goal is to achieve a business result (continuous business service, including planned events), remember. I notice nobody ever mentioned multi-level cache memory structures in massively SMP systems. You know, something IBM mainframes have. It's a very difficult piece of engineering. It also happens to be the most useful system attribute for consolidation and virtualization. And that's a huge problem with the benchmarks you've listed. SPECjbb is fine if you're running a single Java 3-tier application. What if you're running 50 of them, in 3 different programming languages, with 100 batch jobs? With varying service classes? How do you benchmark that, which is exactly the real world use of these special systems -- data center in a box? Tough problem. Never mind computing resources for DR, training, education, testing, development, etc. By the way, the reason that total MIPS shipment figures are relevant, at least to some extent, is that mainframe MIPS are actually *used* and, as close as anything in the world of computing, that translates into increased business activity with the systems. Nobody with a budget ever buys extra MIPS just because: there's no purpose and no advantage. In contrast, the vast bulk of X86 MHz/GHz shipments (99+% I'd guess) simply wait faster, because the vast majority of
Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 15 Jul 2007 to 16 Jul 2007 (#2007-197)
Dave Barry, a great name, writes: The Windows command prompt is the legacy of MS-DOS, and so on. In turn, the 80 column DOS command prompt is a legacy of punch cards. The 80 column card format was established back in the 1920s. One might also say that base 10 arithmetic is a legacy of ten fingers, which originated either in the evolution of primates or in your favorite creationism story. :-) - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?
Radoslaw, I use a REXX process. Via naming standards, it can find all CSI datasets on all on-line target, dlib, and SMP volumes. The CSI naming standards ensure that the CSI dataset names contains enough information to identify the GLOBAL and TARGET/DLIB zone. Then I can go through all the zones, listing the DDDEFs. End result is a single dataset containing one line per DDDEF entry in all zones, and another dataset containing all the PATH type DDDEF entries. Since I started by IEHLISTing all the VTOCs of my relevent volumes, I can check if the DDDEF dataset entry actually matches a valid dataset on disk, and I can also identify all datasets on target and dlib volumes which are not described by a DDDEF. Currently the REXX contains 985 lines, including comments. I wrote it last December, during the change freeze. The interesting bit is where I call SMP dynamically to process each CSI that I had previously extracted from the IEHLIST report. (warning, very incomplete extract) Say Processing zone zone_name , from volume vtoclist.zonename_csi_data , in Global zone global_id ALLOC F(SMPCSI) DA( global_datasetname ) SHR REUS alloc_rc = rc If alloc_rc = 0 Then Do smpcntl.1 = SET BDY( zone_name ) . smpcntl.2 = LIST DDDEF . EXECIO 2 DISKW SMPCNTL (FINIS STEM SMPCNTL. CALL *(GIMSMP) smpe_rc = rc dddef_name = dddef_dsname = dddef_volser = dddef_unit = dddef_disp_i = dddef_disp_f = If smpe_rc = 0 Then Do EXECIO * DISKR SMPLIST (FINIS STEM SMPLIST. Do smplist_cnt = 1 to smplist.0 The IEHLIST stuff is also built in the same exec: Call Bjcl //LISTVTOC EXEC PGM=IEHLIST Call Bjcl //SYSPRINT DD DISP=(NEW,CATLG), Call Bjcl // SPACE=(TRK,(15,15),RLSE), Call Bjcl // LRECL=121,BLKSIZE=27951,DSORG=PS,RECFM=FB, Call Bjcl // UNIT=SYSDA, Call Bjcl // DSN= || vtoclist_dataset_name Do cnt = 1 to volser_list_cnt Call Bjcl // || volser_list.cnt ||DD UNIT=3390, Call Bjcl // DISP=OLD, Call Bjcl // VOLUME=SER= || volser_list.cnt End Call Bjcl //SYSINDD * Do cnt = 1 to volser_list_cnt Call Bjcl LISTVTOC VOL=3390= || volser_list.cnt End Call Bjcl /* Last time I ran this: 13.42.13 J0045972 FRIDAY,13 JUL 2007 13.42.13 J0045972 IRR010I USERID SYDBHIS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. 13.57.18 J0045972 ICH70001I SYDBHLAST ACCESS AT 13:42:36 ON FRIDAY, JULY 13, 2007 13.57.18 J0045972 $HASP373 SYDBHDDF STARTED - WLM INIT - SRVCLASS ALLBATCH - SYS SS08 13.57.21 J0045972 - --TIMINGS (MINS.)-- 13.57.21 J0045972 -JOBNAME STEPNAME PROCSTEPRC EXCPCPU SRB CLOCK SERV 13.57.21 J0045972 -SYDBHDDF DELETE 00 30.00.00.05 37 13.58.14 J0045972 -SYDBHDDF LISTVTOC00 15484.03.00.87 49003 14.43.58 J0045972 -SYDBHDDF PROCESS100 510K 1.42.06 45.74 2110K 14.43.59 J0045972 -SYDBHDDF SORT00 30.00.00.00501 14.43.59 J0045972 -SYDBHDDF PROCESS200 33.00.00.00539 14.43.59 J0045972 -SYDBHDDF ENDED. NAME-Validate SSMF DDDEFs TOTAL CPU TIME= 1.45 TO 14.43.59 J0045972 $HASP395 SYDBHDDF ENDED -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS --
Re: File to PDF Product
- Original Message From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Devil is in the details. Some free software has better support than some chargeable software. I really would like to agree with you, but unfortunately I can't. I downloaded both XMITIP an TXT2PDF package, really nice tools which simplify things a lot. However, I had a problem trying different translation table (code pages) with TXT2PDF and I asked directly the developer. No answer. I posted my issue twice to the Google XMITIP group. Likewise, no answer. There are surely good reasons for not answering (too busy, on holiday, I have no time now, this is a no-problem, please dig further), but I came to the conclusion that I can't make use of both tools in production (TXT2PDF and XMITIP work together). I doubt a ISV could afford not to answer to whatever issue coming from a customer. Pity. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?
- Original Message From: R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to check given dsname in SMP/E - is it defined as DDDEF or not ? For example I have SYS1.WEIRD.NAME and I want to check what DDDEF *if any* describes the dataset. As far as I found two metods, both rather unwise: a) use SMP/E panels to review all the DDDEFs one by one. Time consuming. b) browse VSAM CSI files, search for string. Radoslaw, other than what other mates have said (LIST command or REXX) you could also issue the UNLOAD DDDEF command, which creates a flat file with all DDDEFs in the specified zone. There are a couple of nice tools from Rob Scott's web page http://www.mximvs.com/ named DDDEFCHK and DDDEFPTH which could also help to reach your goal. HTH. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Track size and maximum single volume data set size
In a message dated 7/12/2007 3:26:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah err, well, we have an old Adabas application with 3380 emulation on 2105. This will be moot after 11/30/07. ... Now the whole kit is going the way of outsourcing. Outsourcing the whole kit does not make the problem go away. A previous post asked does anyone still do this emulation. After 11/30/07 the answer will still be yes. Your data center can answer we don't but your outsourcer will say yes, we do. Bill Fairchild Plainfield, IL ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Track size and maximum single volume data set size
In a message dated 7/13/2007 7:24:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know shop in Poland which used 3380 drives. *Real* ones, manufactured by Comparex. I believe Hitachi Data Systems manufactured them and Comparex marketed them in Europe for HDS. Bill Fairchild Plainfield, IL ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Track size and maximum single volume data set size
In a message dated 7/16/2007 11:11:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: U.S. Government budgets are quite often penny-wise and pound-foolish. Money won't be spent to upgrade to 3390-type geometry because competent people that can do that sort of work well simply won't work for the pittance that government service offers. I have known some very competent people, and also some morons, who worked for the U.S. government. The same statement is true for non-government workplaces I have inhabited. Even if the government had no competent people, they contract out work all the time to firms with competent people. I upgrade my automobile geometry every few years by purchasing a new one built by extremely competent auto engineers, but I have zero competence in auto engineering and intend to keep it at the zero level. Bill Fairchild Plainfield, IL ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Track size and maximum single volume data set size
With modern DASD we emulate 3390s. I see little harm, nor little good, in emulating 3380s. In my previous job we still emulated a few 3380s due to some BDAM applications. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Track size and maximum single volume data set size
Rick Fochtman wrote: [...] Another key reason that many shops are still running 3380 emulation: U.S. Government budgets are quite often penny-wise and pound-foolish. Money won't be spent to upgrade to 3390-type geometry because competent people that can do that sort of work well simply won't work for the pittance that government service offers. Money is not excuse. We talk about 17-years period. The same excuse can (or IMHO cannot) be aplied for lack of backups. BTW: Budget constarints caused lack of educated staff, so direct reason is still lack of skills. BTW2: I know company which paid $4500 per month for maintenance of poor DASD, while it was possible to buy second hand, but newer, more capacity, faster DASD with 1.5 y maintenance for $9000. Is it still budget issue ? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Track size and maximum single volume data set size
In a message dated 7/12/2007 2:39:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... do access methods have calculations built in for allowing for the gaps? Yes. Modern physical DASD is made by Seagate, IBM, et al, they are 3.5 inches in diameter, they are controlled as RAID, they are all FBA, and the reality is nothing at all like the CKD SLEDs described in IBM's control unit reference manuals. Anciently, when a SLED was still a SLED, gaps served two purposes: (1) control data was written in them to let the control unit know what was coming next on the track (e.g.) and (2) timing, explained in detail next. The original reason for gaps was to waste time. The control unit had to ask the channel to fetch the next CCW command code byte from central storage and give it to the control unit before the next count field, key field, or data field rotated under the read/write mechanism. Given the specific rotation speed and recording density, you can calculate how many microseconds wide was this window for fetching the next CCW. At the speed of signals through copper cables, sending many signals both ways, and the width of the window allowed by the chosen gap size, IBM's answer was that the control unit must be within 400 feet of the CPU or there would be I/O errors due to the control unit's not getting the next CCW in time. The gap is there to waste enough time in rotation so the control unit has a good chance of getting the next CCW before the piece of data upon which that next CCW command needs to act arrives and then moves past the read/write mechanism. Another source of conflict for CCW signal propagation was competing for central storage. Some early S/360 processors had inboard channels, which meant that when the channel needed to access a particular byte of central storage (e.g., for fetching a CCW) it had to compete with active jobs for enough CPU cycles to do the storage access. The use of inboard channels also necessitated wasting more rotation time with gaps. Later CPU models had outboard channels, meaning channels which did their own microcode processing and did not need to steal CPU cycles from running jobs. Channels today have entire CPUs running them due to the increased complexity of channel microcode and the high data transfer rates that must be maintained. Software access methods still assume the physical DASD is CKD, they build CCWs that act as if there were gaps and CKD on the tracks, the control units decode all these legacy CCW commands, they convert them into disk actions that reflect the reality of the physical FBA disks, the entire track is probably in high-speed control unit cache so there is no need at all for gaps, and finally they convert the I/O request's ending status back into virtual CKD status information for more legacy IOS code to use in handling any possible error. There is a LOT of code still supporting the CKD structure and CKD gaps that have not existed for perhaps 15 years now. Bill Fairchild Plainfield, IL ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Track size and maximum single volume data set size
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 07:25 -0400, Bill wrote: IBM's answer was that the control unit must be within 400 feet of the CPU or there would be I/O errors due to the control unit's not getting the next CCW in time. And the Blue equipment tended to be at the slack end of the timing window. And the O/S software was written accordingly. I well remember an outage of more than a day after a microcode update to a PCM (not Amdahls, who I was with at the time) DASD controller. Nothing would IPL. The story I heard was they were at the sharp end of the timing window. Eventually had to put sufficient delay in the line so the (host) code could keep up. Software access methods still assume the physical DASD is CKD, they build CCWs that act as if there were gaps and CKD on the tracks, the control units decode all these legacy CCW commands, they convert them into disk actions that reflect the reality of the physical FBA disks, the entire track is probably in high-speed control unit cache so there is no need at all for gaps, and finally they convert the I/O request's ending status back into virtual CKD status information for more legacy IOS code to use in handling any possible error. There is a LOT of code still supporting the CKD structure and CKD gaps that have not existed for perhaps 15 years now. Which takes us back to the thread of a day or two ago - why don't we have native FBA support ???. Even if only for OE ... er, OMVS, ... er (non-USS) USS, er *nix-ish filesystems (initially). Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Migrating JES2 MOD from z/OS 1.4 to z/OS 107
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 15:55 -0600, Terry Levanger wrote: My questions all relate to the new JES2 design. Is there a module that GETS records one by one from the internal readers? If there is, is that soon enough to put in these changes, or is the job stream audited now in the PUT routine, which would create errors before the delete took place? Once upon a time (very many JES2 releases ago) I crocked up a front-end to HASPAMI that gets control every time a PUT is done against an internal reader ACB. We used it successfully to screen JCL and instream data, same as you do. *If* HASPAMI still exists as a module in HASPSSSM (I'm not at your OS level or I'd look) there's a chance that the technique will still work. YMMV and all that. Contact me privately and I'll send you (old, moldy, crusty, dubious) code. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OT You tubes mainframe video
Great video ed, now if they can get a similar forum for managers and educate them, it may make a difference. Bill From: Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: OT You tubes mainframe video Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:55:00 -0500 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Bj6Xe-7w0 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: World Community Grid
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:48:06 -0500, Blaicher, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently found out about grid computing, and more specifically about www.worldcommunitygrid.org which is a grid computing site hosted by IBM that coordinates health related computing. If you have a home PC that is up most of the time, but not doing all that much like a print server, you may want to consider joining the more than 160,000 other people that are part of this. Please go to the hosting site and read about what they are doing and what it means. The only thing you will be giving up are unused cycles that would otherwise be spent in the idle loop of windows. If you look in to this and do join, there is no cost by the way, please select IBM-Main as the team you would like to join. Thanks for your time. Chris Blaicher I've been doing this with [EMAIL PROTECTED] since around 1999. The newer software is BOINC based, which lets you split your time between multiple projects. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group: G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Unit 1501 HAS NO PHYSICAL PATHS
Please help,
I am trying to vary on a 3490 tape doing
cf chp(52),on
v path(1501,52),online That gives me PATH (1501,52) ONLINE
v 1501,online That gives me IEE025I UNIT 1501 HAS NO
PHYSICAL PATHS
And I can find in the log:
IOS444I DYNAMIC PATHING NOT OPERATIONAL ON DEVICE 1501
Reading the Device Characteristics gives:
/DS QT,1501,RDC
Display Filter View Print Options Help
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SDSF SYSLOG116.130 CPAC CPAC 07/17/2007 0W 334369 COMMAND ISSUED
COMMAND INPUT ===SCROLL ===
CSR
RESPONSE=CPAC
IEE459I 14.16.38 DEVSERV QTAPE 261
UNIT DTYPE DSTATUS CUTYPE DEVTYPE CU-SERIAL DEV-SERIAL ACL LIBID
1501 3490 OFFLINE 34903490 XXCL-0 XXCL-0
READ DEVICE CHARACTERISTIC
349052349052 02408080
4281
1 DEVICE(S) MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA
I also dumped the UCB after each step:
UCB AFTER /CF CHP(52),ON
Display Filter View Print Options Help
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HQX7730 - SDSF PRIMARY OPTION MENU -- COMMAND ISSUED
COMMAND INPUT ===SCROLL ===
CSR
RESPONSE=CPAC
IEE459I 08.34.46 DEVSERV QTAPE 183
UNIT DTYPE DSTATUS CUTYPE DEVTYPE CU-SERIAL DEV-SERIAL ACL LIBID
UCB AT V00F48298
0008FF001501 06E4C3C2 7804808104F48270
8000 80F482C8 8100024A
UCB PREFIX AT V0219C150
00050040 00010011 289800128080 5200
0141
UCB COMMON EXTENSION AT V00F48270
0F00FA00200E0008 0219C150 00FD77AC 00F481F83800
UNLISTED DEVICE(S) AND REASON CODES :
1501(07)
(07) - DEVICE I/O ERROR
NO DEVICE MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA
UCB AFTER /V PATH(1501,52),ONLINE
Display Filter View Print Options Help
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HQX7730 - SDSF PRIMARY OPTION MENU -- COMMAND ISSUED
COMMAND INPUT ===SCROLL ===
CSR
RESPONSE=CPAC
IEE459I 08.35.28 DEVSERV QTAPE 388
UNIT DTYPE DSTATUS CUTYPE DEVTYPE CU-SERIAL DEV-SERIAL ACL LIBID
1501 3490 OFFLINE 34903490 XXCL-0 XXCL-0
UCB AT V00F48298
0008FF001501 04E4C3C2 7804808104F48270
8000 80F482C8 8100024A
UCB PREFIX AT V0219C150
00050040 00010011 2898001280008080 5200
0101
UCB COMMON EXTENSION AT V00F48270
0F00FA00200E0008 0219C150 00FD77AC 00F481F83800
1 DEVICE(S) MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA
UCB AFTER /V 1501,ONLINE
Display Filter View Print Options Help
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HQX7730 - SDSF PRIMARY OPTION MENU -- COMMAND ISSUED
COMMAND INPUT ===SCROLL ===
CSR
RESPONSE=CPAC
IEE459I 08.35.58 DEVSERV QTAPE 511
UNIT DTYPE DSTATUS CUTYPE DEVTYPE CU-SERIAL DEV-SERIAL ACL LIBID
1501 3490 OFFLINE 34903490 XXCL-0 XXCL-0
UCB AT V00F48298
0008FF001501 04E4C3C2 7804808104F48270
8000 80F482C8 8100024F
UCB PREFIX AT V0219C150
00050040 00010011 2898001280008080 5200
0141
UCB COMMON EXTENSION AT V00F48270
0F00FA00200E0008 0219C150 00FD77AC 00F481F83800
1 DEVICE(S) MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA
Anybody some idea.
Thanks, Denis
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Re: OT You tubes mainframe video
PHB's are notoriously difficult to educate snip Great video ed, now if they can get a similar forum for managers and educate them, it may make a difference. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Unit 1501 HAS NO PHYSICAL PATHS
Seems like there is no physical connection, or an interface is disabled. snip I am trying to vary on a 3490 tape doing cf chp(52),on v path(1501,52),online That gives me PATH (1501,52) ONLINE v 1501,online That gives me IEE025I UNIT 1501 HAS NO PHYSICAL PATHS And I can find in the log: IOS444I DYNAMIC PATHING NOT OPERATIONAL ON DEVICE 1501 Remainder snipped... /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?
MXI was acquired by RocketSoft some time ago and, I believe, is no longer a free download... On Tue Jul 17 1:00 , Walter Marguccio [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: - Original Message From: R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to check given dsname in SMP/E - is it defined as DDDEF or not ? For example I have SYS1.WEIRD.NAME and I want to check what DDDEF *if any* describes the dataset. As far as I found two metods, both rather unwise: a) use SMP/E panels to review all the DDDEFs one by one. Time consuming. b) browse VSAM CSI files, search for string. Radoslaw, other than what other mates have said (LIST command or REXX) you could also issue the UNLOAD DDDEF command, which creates a flat file with all DDDEFs in the specified zone. There are a couple of nice tools from Rob Scott's web page http://www.mximvs.com/ named DDDEFCHK and DDDEFPTH which could also help to reach your goal. HTH. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?
MXI was indeed acquired by Rocket Software and there is now a licensed version (MXI Generation II) that has *many* enhancements as well as support for the latest versions of z/OS, DB2 and MQ. We are also just putting the CICS plug-in for MXI G2 into beta test and there is also a TCP/IP plug-in in development as well. The freeware version (MXI 4.3) is still available for download - BUT - it has been frozen. What I mean by frozen is that there will be no future enhancements to MXI 4.3 and over time I expect some commands to either stop functioning or start abending. If you are running z/OS 1.6 or above and use MXI a lot - you should seriously consider upgrading to MXI G2. All the other utilities on the www.mximvs.com website continue to be available for download. Rob Scott Rocket Software, Inc 275 Grove Street Newton, MA 02466 617-614-2305 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Green Sent: 17 July 2007 14:26 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ? MXI was acquired by RocketSoft some time ago and, I believe, is no longer a free download... On Tue Jul 17 1:00 , Walter Marguccio [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: - Original Message From: R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to check given dsname in SMP/E - is it defined as DDDEF or not ? For example I have SYS1.WEIRD.NAME and I want to check what DDDEF *if any* describes the dataset. As far as I found two metods, both rather unwise: a) use SMP/E panels to review all the DDDEFs one by one. Time consuming. b) browse VSAM CSI files, search for string. Radoslaw, other than what other mates have said (LIST command or REXX) you could also issue the UNLOAD DDDEF command, which creates a flat file with all DDDEFs in the specified zone. There are a couple of nice tools from Rob Scott's web page http://www.mximvs.com/ named DDDEFCHK and DDDEFPTH which could also help to reach your goal. HTH. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Unit 1501 HAS NO PHYSICAL PATHS
In a message dated 7/17/2007 8:09:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems like there is no physical connection, or an interface is disabled. DS QT,1500,16,validate Used to have an A22 and every now and then one of the controller's power supplies would fail. No errors or anything just adios. So first thing is check the green lights on the back of the unit. If they're ESCON check the connections on the front. Run EREP. Call for service. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Unit 1501 HAS NO PHYSICAL PATHS
We had the same symptom a couple of weeks. The hardware CE swapped tape units and swore he had no problem because two separate drives had the same problem that didn't go away when he swapped in a working drives that would then fail. He finally found that both drives had bad channel interface switches. Ed is right. Call service. Confidentiality notice: The information included in this e-mail, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, distribution or similar action is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies of the original message immediately. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Unit 1501 HAS NO PHYSICAL PATHS In a message dated 7/17/2007 8:09:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems like there is no physical connection, or an interface is disabled. DS QT,1500,16,validate Used to have an A22 and every now and then one of the controller's power supplies would fail. No errors or anything just adios. So first thing is check the green lights on the back of the unit. If they're ESCON check the connections on the front. Run EREP. Call for service. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Réf. : Re: Unit 1501 HAS NO PHYSICAL PATHS
The controller and connection are OK as the Read Device Characteristics completes without error. Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé par : IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 17/07/2007 16:04 Veuillez répondre à IBM Mainframe Discussion List Pour : IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc : Objet : Re: Unit 1501 HAS NO PHYSICAL PATHS In a message dated 7/17/2007 8:09:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems like there is no physical connection, or an interface is disabled. DS QT,1500,16,validate Used to have an A22 and every now and then one of the controller's power supplies would fail. No errors or anything just adios. So first thing is check the green lights on the back of the unit. If they're ESCON check the connections on the front. Run EREP. Call for service. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Legacy matters
On 16 Jul 2007 15:54:40 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Isn't it funny that these archaic items are considered building blocks of modern systems, while the mainframe--30 years ahead in virtualization; 25 years ahead in instrumentation; light years ahead in multiprocessing, etc.--are given up for dead? Legacy as the word is now applied is just a meaningless buzzword which long ago passed into parlance as a technical term. It is the legacy of old anti-IBM marketing campaigns. I don't know how much people think they are dead, as they aren't what they think about. Mainframes are the cargo ships and trains of today when everybody drives cars and trucks. But trains and ships are far from dead, we just don't notice them as much. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?
Thanks for the correction and update. On Tue Jul 17 9:49 , Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: MXI was indeed acquired by Rocket Software and there is now a licensed version (MXI Generation II) that has *many* enhancements as well as support for the latest versions of z/OS, DB2 and MQ. We are also just putting the CICS plug-in for MXI G2 into beta test and there is also a TCP/IP plug-in in development as well. The freeware version (MXI 4.3) is still available for download - BUT - it has been frozen. What I mean by frozen is that there will be no future enhancements to MXI 4.3 and over time I expect some commands to either stop functioning or start abending. If you are running z/OS 1.6 or above and use MXI a lot - you should seriously consider upgrading to MXI G2. All the other utilities on the www.mximvs.com website continue to be available for download. Rob Scott Rocket Software, Inc 275 Grove Street Newton, MA 02466 617-614-2305 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Green Sent: 17 July 2007 14:26 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ? MXI was acquired by RocketSoft some time ago and, I believe, is no longer a free download... On Tue Jul 17 1:00 , Walter Marguccio [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: - Original Message From: R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to check given dsname in SMP/E - is it defined as DDDEF or not ? For example I have SYS1.WEIRD.NAME and I want to check what DDDEF *if any* describes the dataset. As far as I found two metods, both rather unwise: a) use SMP/E panels to review all the DDDEFs one by one. Time consuming. b) browse VSAM CSI files, search for string. Radoslaw, other than what other mates have said (LIST command or REXX) you could also issue the UNLOAD DDDEF command, which creates a flat file with all DDDEFs in the specified zone. There are a couple of nice tools from Rob Scott's web page http://www.mximvs.com/ named DDDEFCHK and DDDEFPTH which could also help to reach your goal. HTH. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article)
On 16 Jul 2007 19:27:37 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dean Kent) wrote: Lest you misunderstand me - I am not trying to say that Intel is 'better' than IBM, nor the other way around. I am not trying to say that x86 processors are 'better' than z9. Each has its strengths, and weaknesses. There is no 'one processor to rule them all'. However, IBM is positioning the mainframe to compete in some of the same markets that x86 competes. This means that customers will expect a direct comparison on performance - and rightly so. IBM is not positioning the mainframe to compete with a computer chip. Apples and bird seed. Customers of computer chips are computer manufacturers. IBM is positioning the mainframe to compete with server farms. That is something very different. And the x86 speed of a PC is not what customers care about when looking at alternatives for these business needs. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:49:27 -0400, Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I mean by frozen is that there will be no future enhancements to MXI 4.3 and over time I expect some commands to either stop functioning or start abending. Too bad. I though you had planned to at least fix things that broke even though you would not add any new functionality. And since it was never source code CBT based, I guess the mainframe community is SOL because I'm sure you (nor Rocket) don't have any intention of ever releasing the source code to the freeware version (although PDS continues to have a freeware version and there is also a successful commercial version as well). I understand you need to make a living, but it is an unfortunate loss to the rest of us. I will probably get rid of it or un-APF authorize it and only use unauthorized functions moving forward if I keep it. Nothing against you Rob (really), but perhaps the keepers of the CBT collection (now Sam Golob and Sam Knutson) should not allow load code only contributions for just this reason. It sort of takes away from the spirit of freeware and what the CBT is all about (IMO). Long live ShowMVS! :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group: G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Réf. : Re: Unit 1501 HAS NO PHYSICAL PATHS
In a message dated 7/17/2007 9:16:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The controller and connection are OK as the Read Device Characteristics completes without error. In a multipath environment that's what's supposed to happen. Still w/o the DEVSERV inquiry can't tell if all the paths are online or are available. If everything were OK we wouldn't be having this discussion! Long ago and far away would vary device, Paths, CHP offline and then reverse the order to clear the UCB status(or ZAP it with OMEGAMON). Haven't had to do that since 3480's went away. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
Mark, I did not say that MXI 4.3 users would be stranded if something breaks - it is just that I *really* do not have the resources and time to guarantee to fix any problems that may occur. In the old days I was a sysprog and would come home at 6pm and worked on MXI in the evening - these days my working day starts at about 9am and finishes about midnight. MXI 4.3 has always been available primarily on my own web-site (and now on Rocket's) - the fact that it is on the CBT site is because I was asked if I would like to contibute to it. Freeware is software that is free - I do not see an implication of supplied source. Rob Scott Rocket Software, Inc 275 Grove Street Newton, MA 02466 617-614-2305 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: 17 July 2007 15:30 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?) On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:49:27 -0400, Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I mean by frozen is that there will be no future enhancements to MXI 4.3 and over time I expect some commands to either stop functioning or start abending. Too bad. I though you had planned to at least fix things that broke even though you would not add any new functionality. And since it was never source code CBT based, I guess the mainframe community is SOL because I'm sure you (nor Rocket) don't have any intention of ever releasing the source code to the freeware version (although PDS continues to have a freeware version and there is also a successful commercial version as well). I understand you need to make a living, but it is an unfortunate loss to the rest of us. I will probably get rid of it or un-APF authorize it and only use unauthorized functions moving forward if I keep it. Nothing against you Rob (really), but perhaps the keepers of the CBT collection (now Sam Golob and Sam Knutson) should not allow load code only contributions for just this reason. It sort of takes away from the spirit of freeware and what the CBT is all about (IMO). Long live ShowMVS! :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group: G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Unit 1501 HAS NO PHYSICAL PATHS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Please help, I am trying to vary on a 3490 tape doing cf chp(52),on v path(1501,52),online That gives me PATH (1501,52) ONLINE v 1501,online That gives me IEE025I UNIT 1501 HAS NO PHYSICAL PATHS And I can find in the log: IOS444I DYNAMIC PATHING NOT OPERATIONAL ON DEVICE 1501 Reading the Device Characteristics gives: If the channels are Ficon, we had several similar situations, that were only solved by configing the CHPID OFF, putting it into Service mode on the HMC, out of service mode and online again. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article)
In a message dated 7/17/2007 9:29:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IBM is positioning the mainframe to compete with server farms. That is something very different. And the x86 speed of a PC is not what customers care about when looking at alternatives for these business needs. _http://www.embedded-computing.com/news/db/?6516_ (http://www.embedded-computing.com/news/db/?6516) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [BULK] Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
Egad, that's a stressful life. I don't think I could take that for very long. My sympathy to you. Jon snip . . . these days my working day starts at about 9am and finishes about midnight. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [BULK] Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
Such is life when you work for a US-based company and you work from home in the UK. Gieb all that, my wife still thinks I enjoy my work too much! Rob Scott Rocket Software, Inc 275 Grove Street Newton, MA 02466 617-614-2305 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Sent: 17 July 2007 16:20 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [BULK] Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?) Egad, that's a stressful life. I don't think I could take that for very long. My sympathy to you. Jon snip . . . these days my working day starts at about 9am and finishes about midnight. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [BULK] Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
You mean you've still go a wife :-) Jim McAlpine On 7/17/07, Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Such is life when you work for a US-based company and you work from home in the UK. Gieb all that, my wife still thinks I enjoy my work too much! Rob Scott Rocket Software, Inc 275 Grove Street Newton, MA 02466 617-614-2305 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Sent: 17 July 2007 16:20 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [BULK] Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?) Egad, that's a stressful life. I don't think I could take that for very long. My sympathy to you. Jon snip . . . these days my working day starts at about 9am and finishes about midnight. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [BULK] Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
Last time I looked... Hold on - I am sure she is around here somewhere... Darling? Hello? ?? (Actually the *really* sad thing is that she is a geek too - and we work in the same home office - if we ever get divorced I think custody of the computer equipment might be more contentious than the kids) Rob Scott Rocket Software, Inc 275 Grove Street Newton, MA 02466 617-614-2305 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McAlpine Sent: 17 July 2007 16:36 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [BULK] Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?) You mean you've still go a wife :-) Jim McAlpine On 7/17/07, Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Such is life when you work for a US-based company and you work from home in the UK. Gieb all that, my wife still thinks I enjoy my work too much! Rob Scott Rocket Software, Inc 275 Grove Street Newton, MA 02466 617-614-2305 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Sent: 17 July 2007 16:20 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [BULK] Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?) Egad, that's a stressful life. I don't think I could take that for very long. My sympathy to you. Jon snip . . . these days my working day starts at about 9am and finishes about midnight. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
snip I did not say that MXI 4.3 users would be stranded if something breaks - it is just that I *really* do not have the resources and time to guarantee to fix any problems that may occur. In the old days I was a sysprog and would come home at 6pm and worked on MXI in the evening - these days my working day starts at about 9am and finishes about midnight. MXI 4.3 has always been available primarily on my own web-site (and now on Rocket's) - the fact that it is on the CBT site is because I was asked if I would like to contibute to it. Freeware is software that is free - I do not see an implication of supplied source. --unsnip--- Rob, I agree that the term FREEWARE doesn't mean FREE SOURCE. That is strictly the developer's call and I support that. But on the other side of that coin: free source can mean free enhancements from other developers, as well as bug fixes. So I think there are valid arguments on both sides of that coin. The example of PDS comes to mind; STARTOOL, the commercial version of PDS, has a number of very fine enhancements and so does the freebee. While the enhancements aren't identical, both products have their place. Points to ponder -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:49:12 -0400, Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, I did not say that MXI 4.3 users would be stranded if something breaks - Not in black and white, but you seemed to imply it by your statement: over time I expect some commands to either stop functioning or start abending. If you had added and I will try to fix them as time permits, then I wouldn't have felt the need to post a response. I didn't go back and check the archives or emails you may have sent out to the beta testers (which I was one of), but I thought you had indicated something to that effect and I thought this last post was a change in your position (perhaps due to legal issues with your employment and purchase of MXI by Rocket). It I took your original statement wrong, then I sincerely apologize and that is good news. Freeware is software that is free - I do not see an implication of supplied source. There is none and I never said there was. It is just my opinion (which is why I wrote IMO) that it isn't in the spirit of the original CBT. I think there may be some other examples now as well, but most are just shortcuts and the source code is on other files. Some others may be collections where no one has the source code. Either way, please don't take this personally. I very much appreciate the availability and usage of the freeware MXI over the years. It's just a shame that there is no source code for someone else to maintain since you don't have the time. Cheers, Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group: G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
Rick, I have been bitten by giving out source code for free - and it left a very sour taste. A few years ago I happened to get hold of a few copies of MVS Update and lo and behold some person had ripped off most of the programs from my website, changed the labels/names and submitted then as their own work - earning him/herself a nice little payout - so belated thanks to System Programmer UK for that one. When I contacted Xephon about this to complain - they had lost the records etc etc.. Rob Scott Rocket Software, Inc 275 Grove Street Newton, MA 02466 617-614-2305 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: 17 July 2007 16:29 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?) snip I did not say that MXI 4.3 users would be stranded if something breaks - it is just that I *really* do not have the resources and time to guarantee to fix any problems that may occur. In the old days I was a sysprog and would come home at 6pm and worked on MXI in the evening - these days my working day starts at about 9am and finishes about midnight. MXI 4.3 has always been available primarily on my own web-site (and now on Rocket's) - the fact that it is on the CBT site is because I was asked if I would like to contibute to it. Freeware is software that is free - I do not see an implication of supplied source. --unsnip--- Rob, I agree that the term FREEWARE doesn't mean FREE SOURCE. That is strictly the developer's call and I support that. But on the other side of that coin: free source can mean free enhancements from other developers, as well as bug fixes. So I think there are valid arguments on both sides of that coin. The example of PDS comes to mind; STARTOOL, the commercial version of PDS, has a number of very fine enhancements and so does the freebee. While the enhancements aren't identical, both products have their place. Points to ponder -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
I think fixing things on a as time permits is fine. I really appreciate your work on it. In my last job as a contractor, I found MXI to be an invaluable tool. They didn't allow any shareware tools in a production environment, which I didn't like, but to use a tool such as MXI for just the sysprogs was fine. I installed the 4.3 version. Being a contractor, I found MXI the place I went to whenever I needed to find something out. I could find it elsewhere in parmlib or whatever, but it was usually faster to find it in MXI. Eric Bielefeld Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?) Mark, I did not say that MXI 4.3 users would be stranded if something breaks - it is just that I *really* do not have the resources and time to guarantee to fix any problems that may occur. In the old days I was a sysprog and would come home at 6pm and worked on MXI in the evening - these days my working day starts at about 9am and finishes about midnight. MXI 4.3 has always been available primarily on my own web-site (and now on Rocket's) - the fact that it is on the CBT site is because I was asked if I would like to contibute to it. Freeware is software that is free - I do not see an implication of supplied source. Rob Scott Rocket Software, Inc 275 Grove Street Newton, MA 02466 617-614-2305 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:55:25 -0500 Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:49:12 -0400, Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Mark, :I did not say that MXI 4.3 users would be stranded if something breaks - :Not in black and white, but you seemed to imply it by your statement: I certainly hope that no one is running mission critical applications without support. : over time I expect some commands to either stop functioning or : start abending. :If you had added and I will try to fix them as time permits, then I wouldn't :have felt the need to post a response. I didn't go back and check the :archives or emails you may have sent out to the beta testers (which I :was one of), but I thought you had indicated something to that effect and :I thought this last post was a change in your position (perhaps due to :legal issues with your employment and purchase of MXI by Rocket). Quite likely. I don't see why he should have any obligation, legal or moral, to enhance free software. :It I took your original statement wrong, then I sincerely apologize and that is :good news. :Freeware is software that is free - I do not see an implication of supplied :source. Or support. :There is none and I never said there was. It is just my opinion (which is :why I wrote IMO) that it isn't in the spirit of the original CBT. I think there :may be some other examples now as well, but most are just shortcuts :and the source code is on other files. Some others may be collections where :no one has the source code. Your feeling being that either provide source or do not give it out? Many other download sites are available. :Either way, please don't take this personally. I very much appreciate the :availability and usage of the freeware MXI over the years. It's just a shame :that there is no source code for someone else to maintain since you don't :have the time. And he quite likely has some money making uses for it. Nothing wrong with that. -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:00:20 -0400, Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, I have been bitten by giving out source code for free - and it left a very sour taste. A few years ago I happened to get hold of a few copies of MVS Update and lo and behold some person had ripped off most of the programs from my website, changed the labels/names and submitted then as their own work - earning him/herself a nice little payout - so belated thanks to System Programmer UK for that one. Worse... most people agree to let Xephon own the rights after they contribute (higher rate of pay). So now they probably think they own what was originally your code. I too have been bitten, but I guess that is part of the chance you take when contributing. Though it's apples and oranges - none of the code on my web site and CBT is worth much more than the electrons it is written on. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group: G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
OT IBM Take Back Control with the Mainframe
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Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jon Brock Egad, that's a stressful life. I don't think I could take that for very long. My sympathy to you. Jon snip . . . these days my working day starts at about 9am and finishes about midnight. /snip Heck, on school nights my day starts at 04:30 and ends around 23:00. Then I do homework. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
Here is how I currently see it (and this is not the official Rocket position - just my own opinions) : (1) If something critical breaks in MXI 4.3 that would leave loads of people stranded, I would do my best to fix ASAP. (2) If something non-critical breaks then I would fix as time allows (think weeks not days...) (3) If something breaks because of sizing issues - ie a large shop with n thousand SMS storage groups finds that MXI has truncated the results then it is unlikely to be fixed unless I am fixing (2) or (1) at the same time. (4) New release of z/OS, DB2 or MQ causes empty display - see (3). Support for new releases of z/OS, DB2, MQ and CICS is something that HAS to be an added advantage of converting to the commercial software. Maybe the thing that people do not realise is that the real cost of me fixing a problem in freeware MXI for a site probably equates roughly to the monthly cost of MXI G2 at that site! Believe me, I am not looking down at everyone from my big pile of cash I wrote MXI for my fellow sysprogs - but in reality it is the company that you work for that benefits. If MXI is important to your company - why not install a supported version? Rob Scott Rocket Software, Inc 275 Grove Street Newton, MA 02466 617-614-2305 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: 17 July 2007 16:55 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?) On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:49:12 -0400, Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, I did not say that MXI 4.3 users would be stranded if something breaks - Not in black and white, but you seemed to imply it by your statement: over time I expect some commands to either stop functioning or start abending. If you had added and I will try to fix them as time permits, then I wouldn't have felt the need to post a response. I didn't go back and check the archives or emails you may have sent out to the beta testers (which I was one of), but I thought you had indicated something to that effect and I thought this last post was a change in your position (perhaps due to legal issues with your employment and purchase of MXI by Rocket). It I took your original statement wrong, then I sincerely apologize and that is good news. Freeware is software that is free - I do not see an implication of supplied source. There is none and I never said there was. It is just my opinion (which is why I wrote IMO) that it isn't in the spirit of the original CBT. I think there may be some other examples now as well, but most are just shortcuts and the source code is on other files. Some others may be collections where no one has the source code. Either way, please don't take this personally. I very much appreciate the availability and usage of the freeware MXI over the years. It's just a shame that there is no source code for someone else to maintain since you don't have the time. Cheers, Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group: G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Track size and maximum single volume data set size
In a message dated 7/17/2007 6:25:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a LOT of code still supporting the CKD structure and CKD gaps that have not existed for perhaps 15 years now. My bad. I just remembered that there are still some data centers that use control units that are more than 15 years old. I should have written ... that have not been incorporated into any new technology for perhaps 15 years now. Somewhere, someone may still be running a S/360, a 650, an ENIAC, a Tinkertoy computer, ... etc. Bill Fairchild Plainfield, IL ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:57:45 -0400, Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is how I currently see it (and this is not the official Rocket position - just my own opinions) : (1) If something critical breaks in MXI 4.3 that would leave loads of people stranded, I would do my best to fix ASAP. I would hope (as Binyamin said) that no one is so dependent on freeware that they would be stranded. snip I wrote MXI for my fellow sysprogs Thanks for clarifying your intent. Your fellow sysprogs appreciate it. :-) Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group: G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
On 17 Jul 2007 09:00:49 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: I have been bitten by giving out source code for free - and it left a very sour taste. A few years ago I happened to get hold of a few copies of MVS Update and lo and behold some person had ripped off most of the programs from my website, changed the labels/names and submitted then as their own work - earning him/herself a nice little payout - so belated thanks to System Programmer UK for that one. When I contacted Xephon about this to complain - they had lost the records etc etc.. People can steal anything. If you had charged for it, they could still have stolen it. There are some things that we should include with all free code - in the nature of specifying the rights of those who use it. It won't stop it from being stolen, but will make the nature of their theft more obvious, and prosecution more likely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?) On 17 Jul 2007 09:00:49 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: I have been bitten by giving out source code for free - and it left a very sour taste. A few years ago I happened to get hold of a few copies of MVS Update and lo and behold some person had ripped off most of the programs from my website, changed the labels/names and submitted then as their own work - earning him/herself a nice little payout - so belated thanks to System Programmer UK for that one. When I contacted Xephon about this to complain - they had lost the records etc etc.. People can steal anything. If you had charged for it, they could still have stolen it. There are some things that we should include with all free code - in the nature of specifying the rights of those who use it. It won't stop it from being stolen, but will make the nature of their theft more obvious, and prosecution more likely. Very true. I don't know the copyright laws in the UK. Here in the USofA, it would likely be best to register the program with the Copyright Office. Then, if this occurs, you have the legal backing to sue. I don't know if it would be worth while to sue an individual. But a company like Xephon? You bet (assuming you have the money). They're making a profit off of the sale. If they are truly innocent, then they had better be able to supply the actual source of their copy. And, in any case, it would not matter. They had not done due diligence to make sure that the alleged author was actually the copyright owner. So their publication of your code, in and of itself, would be a violation of your copyright. And, with a good lawyer, they might want to pay you off just to avoid embarrassment. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?) On 17 Jul 2007 09:00:49 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: I have been bitten by giving out source code for free - and it left a very sour taste. A few years ago I happened to get hold of a few copies of MVS Update and lo and behold some person had ripped off most of the programs from my website, changed the labels/names and submitted then as their own work - earning him/herself a nice little payout - so belated thanks to System Programmer UK for that one. When I contacted Xephon about this to complain - they had lost the records etc etc.. People can steal anything. If you had charged for it, they could still have stolen it. There are some things that we should include with all free code - in the nature of specifying the rights of those who use it. It won't stop it from being stolen, but will make the nature of their theft more obvious, and prosecution more likely. SNIP KEY. Mm. OCO and Keys. H. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:18:45 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: I too have been bitten, but I guess that is part of the chance you take when contributing. Though it's apples and oranges - none of the code on my web site and CBT is worth much more than the electrons it is written on. Mark -- I disagree. I use your code and other code from CBT and contribute things that I think are useful. These tools are very useful and probably worth money. The fact that they are available free does not diminish their value. My sincere thanks to all who contribute. On the other hand, if a company like Xephon is acquiring and publishing code reported to be obtained by less-than-honorable methods, it is obligated to investigate the complaint and take action to address it. Xephon relies on mainframe users for its existence. Customer pressure has amazing strength. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article)
- Original Message - From: Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:29 AM Subject: Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article) IBM is not positioning the mainframe to compete with a computer chip. Apples and bird seed. Customers of computer chips are computer manufacturers. IBM is positioning the mainframe to compete with server farms. That is something very different. And the x86 speed of a PC is not what customers care about when looking at alternatives for these business needs. I agree with your first point, but not your second. There *is* a reason that SPEC (and other benchmarking organizations) exist. These customers want a common performance metric to identify the value they are getting for the money they spend. Yes, reliability, fault-tolerance, data integrity, etc. are all factors too - but the mainframe does not have a lock on these features, other platforms do as well, including those based on x86. Maybe I can point out the dilemma better this way: People here have asked how managers can justify migrating their mission-critical applications off the mainframe and onto a 'PC'. At the same time, these people will say that there is no common metric to compare the various platforms, that they are just different. So, a manager who must make a business/financial decision is given no tools with which to make that decision - so is it any wonder that those decisions seem, well, random? One would think that *if* the mainframe can compete head-to-head with these other server systems that those in the business would *want* a common metric. They would *strive* to identify something that managers could use to make better decisions. This should, you would think, include the vendor who would benefit most by such information. Continually claiming that there is, and cannot be any comparison seems counter productive. You are *asking* these managers to go with the latest fad because they have nothing else to use as a guideline. If it can't compete, then perhaps it makes sense to claim that no such metric can be identified. As long as the workloads are completely different, then it makes sense. They they overlap, however, you are asking for people to flip a coin to choose unless you give them another tool to use. As for the car analogy in performance, I would suggest the following: I can look at horsepower, top speed, acceleration, luggage capacity, towing capacity, gas mileage and various other factors that are available for *all* vehicles. This allows me to make an intelligent, informed decision about which particular vehicle is best for my needs, whether it be a sportscar, a family vehicle, a farm vehicle or a large commercial vehicle. Instead, Timothy Sipples suggests (and I paraphrase from his reply to me) if you don't know, talk to your IBM rep - he'll tell you what you need. Sure, he'll tell me I need a Sun system instead of an IBM system - right? Or perhaps I should go talk to Sun or HP or Dell to find out what best suits my needs. If you care about the platform, you should care about the problem... or so it seems to me. Regards, Dean -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Kent Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article) SNIP Instead, Timothy Sipples suggests (and I paraphrase from his reply to me) if you don't know, talk to your IBM rep - he'll tell you what you need. Sure, he'll tell me I need a Sun system instead of an IBM system - right? Or perhaps I should go talk to Sun or HP or Dell to find out what best suits my needs. If you care about the platform, you should care about the problem... or so it seems to me. Regards, Dean SNIP Or, like a former client of mine, they [IBM z/Series sales reps] will sell them on Siebel, Regatta, etc. to the tune of a few US$, because the Mainframe can't do GUI (I kid you not, not all IBM sales people have been to the Mainframe Top Gun classes, and they revenue on their specialty, not mainframes). Caveat Emptor. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article) SNIP Or, like a former client of mine, they [IBM z/Series sales reps] will sell them on Siebel, Regatta, etc. to the tune of a few US$, because the Mainframe can't do GUI (I kid you not, not all IBM sales people have been to the Mainframe Top Gun classes, and they revenue on their specialty, not mainframes). SNIP Correction: [IBM z/Series sales reps] was supposed to be [IBM non z/Series sales reps]. Sometimes spelling checkers just don't do what you need... Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Kent Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article) SNIP Instead, Timothy Sipples suggests (and I paraphrase from his reply to me) if you don't know, talk to your IBM rep - he'll tell you what you need. Sure, he'll tell me I need a Sun system instead of an IBM system - right? Or perhaps I should go talk to Sun or HP or Dell to find out what best suits my needs. If you care about the platform, you should care about the problem... or so it seems to me. Regards, Dean SNIP Or, like a former client of mine, they [IBM z/Series sales reps] will sell them on Siebel, Regatta, etc. to the tune of a few US$, because the Mainframe can't do GUI (I kid you not, not all IBM sales people have been to the Mainframe Top Gun classes, and they revenue on their specialty, not mainframes). Caveat Emptor. Regards, Steve Thompson Gee, the mainframe can't do GUI. I guess that I'd better get rid of this Java application which is GUI based and runs on the z/OS system. Granted the terminal is a X server on my desktop. But what does that matter? The 3270 green screens did a lot of their processing off mainframe as well. And if I needed it, I could get a very cheap system which can run Linux and act as an X server. In fact, I know of a box called the Koolu which is only USD 199.00 for the box with Ubuntu Linux (256 Mib RAM, VGA up to 1920x440, 4 USB ports, 16 bit audio). Just add a keyboard, mouse, and monitor. That's even cheaper than the old style 3270 green screen. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What happened to Phil Payne's page?
Somehow I didn't picture Phil as a blond in a black dress. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 07/12/2007 06:42:30 PM: On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:03:14 -0500, Kelman, Tom wrote: I'm still getting the Apache splash page. I just checked and got his new web page. I kinda wondered if the IBM lawyers he's so fond of finally tracked him down. When I checked my favorites links, I still have: http://www.isham-research.com That is not what I expected. It does reference Audi's though, so maybe Phil is involved in that one too ??? - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The information may also constitute a legally privileged confidential communication. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What happened to Phil Payne's page?
Considering that isham-research.com is actually registered to something called Nextnet Tech in Woodside, NY (at least according to enom, the registrar), I doubt if Phil is involved in it. It looks like somebody registered it hoping to turn around and sell it. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Talman Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What happened to Phil Payne's page? Somehow I didn't picture Phil as a blond in a black dress. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 07/12/2007 06:42:30 PM: On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:03:14 -0500, Kelman, Tom wrote: I'm still getting the Apache splash page. I just checked and got his new web page. I kinda wondered if the IBM lawyers he's so fond of finally tracked him down. When I checked my favorites links, I still have: http://www.isham-research.com That is not what I expected. It does reference Audi's though, so maybe Phil is involved in that one too ??? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What happened to Phil Payne's page?
http://www.isham-research.co.uk/ is back among the living. Bob Pommier, Rex R. wrote: Considering that isham-research.com is actually registered to something called Nextnet Tech in Woodside, NY (at least according to enom, the registrar), I doubt if Phil is involved in it. It looks like somebody registered it hoping to turn around and sell it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:03:41 -0500, Bruce Hewson wrote: I use a REXX process. Via naming standards, it can find all CSI datasets on all on-line target, dlib, and SMP volumes. The CSI naming standards ensure that the CSI dataset names contains enough information to identify the GLOBAL and TARGET/DLIB zone. Then I can go through all the zones, listing the DDDEFs. The interesting bit is where I call SMP dynamically to process each CSI that I had previously extracted from the IEHLIST report. ALLOC F(SMPCSI) DA( global_datasetname ) SHR REUS ... CALL *(GIMSMP) ... If smpe_rc = 0 Then Do EXECIO * DISKR SMPLIST (FINIS STEM SMPLIST. ... Does anyone here besides me perceive an aching need for a Rexx-friendly flavor of the SMP/E API? It could have been done with foresight, as it was for ICSF. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 16:37 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Does anyone here besides me perceive an aching need for a Rexx-friendly flavor of the SMP/E API? Maybe it was looked at and tossed in the too hard basket. Using that particular API is seriously ugly. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:51:42 -0700, Dean Kent wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article You are confusing MIPS and MHz. MIPS may be meaningless, but MHz means far less. No, I am not. That's funny. I could have swown that you wrote, a 1.4GHz P4 ... SPECint_rate was 5.80 a 2.93GHz Intel Core Duo processor was 63.6. Obviously one cannot make a direct comparison between MIPS and SPEC rate Yes. I did. I wrote SPECint_rate was 5.80 SPECint_rate was 63.6. You are missing the forest for the trees. The *performance* comparison is the SPECint_rate score. The MHz number was given as a reference in case anyone wished to look it up. So, no, I am not confusing MHz with performance. I didn't say you were. I said you were confusing MIPS with MHz. Had you said, one cannot make a direct comparison between MHz and SPEC rate we'd have had no disagreement here, but you didn't say MHz, you said MIPS. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OT IBM Take Back Control with the Mainframe
Ed - You posted your previous YouTube URL Monday night at 23:55.Have you been logged on there for the last 12 hours? Just kidding - I know how addictive it can be. Ed Gould wrote on Tuesday at 12:18pm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63tYLhiqZ8mode=relatedsearch= - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
UNIX File - PDS via ISPF LM Services?
Regularly, I copy UNIX files (usually NFS) to PDS members using LMCOPY. But this is necessarily indirect with a REPRO or IEBGENER to an intermediate Legacy data set because when I try to LMINIT my UNIX source file, I get: 'lminit dataid(FROMID) ddname(INPUT)enq(SHR)' ISRZ002 Data sets not on direct access device are not supported by ISPF. (Hmmm. Doesn't ISPF know that UNIX regular files reside on direct access devices -- character special files are different?) Is there a better way? All I can think of is EXECIO and LMPUT in a loop -- likely to be more overhead than copying to an intermediate file. (And, IIRC, if the source data set is empty, the LMMADD fails. IBM doesn't believe in zero.) Any suggestions? Thanks, gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Catalog/alias question
All, We just upgraded from ZOS 1.4 to ZOS 1.7. We used Dino T-rex to sync the 1.7 and 1.4 catalogs. We wound up loosing several alias' out of a small test catalog. Trex tech support can find nothing suspicious in any of my jobs. Did this happen to anyone else, or am I special? Thanks Lucy Arnold Storage Manager U.C. Davis Medical Center 916-734-5498 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Catalog/alias question
You're special, of course! :-) Does their process create a snapshot/backup/audit trail? Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucy Arnold Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Catalog/alias question All, We just upgraded from ZOS 1.4 to ZOS 1.7. We used Dino T-rex to sync the 1.7 and 1.4 catalogs. We wound up loosing several alias' out of a small test catalog. Trex tech support can find nothing suspicious in any of my jobs. Did this happen to anyone else, or am I special? Thanks Lucy Arnold Storage Manager U.C. Davis Medical Center 916-734-5498 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust and Seeing beyond money are federally registered service marks of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Catalog/alias question
Bob, No it doesn't have an audit trail that I know of. Lucy Arnold Storage Manager U.C. Davis Medical Center 916-734-5498 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OT IBM Take Back Control with the Mainframe
On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jim Harrison wrote: Ed - You posted your previous YouTube URL Monday night at 23:55. Have you been logged on there for the last 12 hours? Just kidding - I know how addictive it can be. Ed Gould wrote on Tuesday at 12:18pm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63tYLhiqZ8mode=relatedsearch= That is difficult to answer as my computer is on 24 x 7 x #months . The only reason I reboot is to put on maintenance. Mac is almost as good as IBM for reliability. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What happened to Phil Payne's page?
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:30:09 -0500, Pommier, Rex R. wrote: Considering that isham-research.com is actually registered to something called Nextnet Tech in Woodside, NY (at least according to enom, the registrar), I doubt if Phil is involved in it. It looks like somebody registered it hoping to turn around and sell it. The .com URL was Phil's URL at some point. I wouldn't have bookmarked it and put it under IBM Stuff otherwise. I have a Blonde folder for this kind of URL. I'm not sure when it changed, but I seem to recall Phil commenting about having to change it because of some silly new EU rule. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
Dave Kopischke wrote: On the other hand, if a company like Xephon is acquiring and publishing code reported to be obtained by less-than-honorable methods, it is obligated to investigate the complaint and take action to address it. Xephon relies on mainframe users for its existence. Customer pressure has amazing strength. Although I prefer to have the source for tools that I run some are worth having anyway. Thanks Rob. I too was bitten by Xephon. It took me what seems like forever to get an altered version of my STEPLIB command processor (file 452) off of their site. The code was send in as anonymous which they should never have accepted in the first place. DanD -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OT IBM Take Back Control with the Mainframe
Ed: That video should be shown in every college, High School and in every business. That is what is needed. It really drives the point home of the workload that can be run on a mainframe. Great! Bill From: Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: OT IBM Take Back Control with the Mainframe Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:18:06 -0500 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63tYLhiqZ8mode=relatedsearch= -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MXI 4.3 (was Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:31:09 -0400, Thompson, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People can steal anything. If you had charged for it, they could still have stolen it. There are some things that we should include with all free code - in the nature of specifying the rights of those who use it. It won't stop it from being stolen, but will make the nature of their theft more obvious, and prosecution more likely. SNIP KEY. Mm. OCO and Keys. H. Regards, Steve Thompson Adding anything to source will not make it obvious it was stolen, as whatever it is you added can be removed. Object Code only, keys, and other methods of preventing code from being run remove the free aspect. If anyone feels the need to go that route, maybe stop thinking it is free. Share with only those who ask you for it. I recently wrote code that is going to be published in Xephon and had to sign a statement that it is entirely my own work. A dishonest person looking to steal someone elses' code will have no qualms about signing such a statement and pocketing the money. Maybe Xephon needs to do some more thorough GOOGLE searching before paying the authors. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: UNIX File - PDS via ISPF LM Services?
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:15:17 -0500, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any suggestions? Thanks, gil OCOPY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E question - how to find dsname ?
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:37:17 -0500, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:03:41 -0500, Bruce Hewson wrote: Does anyone here besides me perceive an aching need for a Rexx-friendly flavor of the SMP/E API? It could have been done with foresight, as it was for ICSF. -- gil You got my vote. But then I want a REXX API to the CICS CSD, too. Instead I end up making updates and looking at what changed until I can figure out the currrent record format for a given release. And why not a REXX API to those dynamic UCBs instead of assembler only code. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article)
Dean Kent wrote: - Original Message - From: Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:29 AM Subject: Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article) IBM is not positioning the mainframe to compete with a computer chip. Apples and bird seed. Customers of computer chips are computer manufacturers. IBM is positioning the mainframe to compete with server farms. That is something very different. And the x86 speed of a PC is not what customers care about when looking at alternatives for these business needs. I agree with your first point, but not your second. There *is* a reason that SPEC (and other benchmarking organizations) exist. These customers want a common performance metric to identify the value they are getting for the money they spend. Yes, reliability, fault-tolerance, data integrity, etc. are all factors too - but the mainframe does not have a lock on these features, other platforms do as well, including those based on x86. Maybe I can point out the dilemma better this way: People here have asked how managers can justify migrating their mission-critical applications off the mainframe and onto a 'PC'. At the same time, these people will say that there is no common metric to compare the various platforms, that they are just different. So, a manager who must make a business/financial decision is given no tools with which to make that decision - so is it any wonder that those decisions seem, well, random? One would think that *if* the mainframe can compete head-to-head with these other server systems that those in the business would *want* a common metric. They would *strive* to identify something that managers could use to make better decisions. This should, you would think, include the vendor who would benefit most by such information. Continually claiming that there is, and cannot be any comparison seems counter productive. You are *asking* these managers to go with the latest fad because they have nothing else to use as a guideline. If it can't compete, then perhaps it makes sense to claim that no such metric can be identified. As long as the workloads are completely different, then it makes sense. They they overlap, however, you are asking for people to flip a coin to choose unless you give them another tool to use. As for the car analogy in performance, I would suggest the following: I can look at horsepower, top speed, acceleration, luggage capacity, towing capacity, gas mileage and various other factors that are available for *all* vehicles. This allows me to make an intelligent, informed decision about which particular vehicle is best for my needs, whether it be a sportscar, a family vehicle, a farm vehicle or a large commercial vehicle. Instead, Timothy Sipples suggests (and I paraphrase from his reply to me) if you don't know, talk to your IBM rep - he'll tell you what you need. Sure, he'll tell me I need a Sun system instead of an IBM system - right? Or perhaps I should go talk to Sun or HP or Dell to find out what best suits my needs. If you care about the platform, you should care about the problem... or so it seems to me. Regards, Dean Can the mainframe z900/z990/z9 compete head to head with Intel? IMHO, yes. Head to head. You are talking about the same number of processors and same amount of RAM/Central Storage. We have two z990, a 304 and 303. A total of 7 (seven) CPU's and 20GB of total central stoage for the z/OS images. Now in our enviroment we do NOT have a test mainframe, we do not have test LPAR's. All production/test/development/QA/user accecptance testing are done with the same LPARs. There is a system programmer sand box on the 303. We are planning to migrate 80% of our workload off the mainframe on to Intel. If the Intel processors were really faster/better than the z990 CPU, then we sould be to get a single Intel box with 6 CPUs to replace our two mainframes. Right? Remember this is head to head. Are we? NOPE. In the end to replace 80% of 7 z990 CPU's and 20GB of RAM the Intel side will have Right now the plan is to ONLY have 96 total cores (some systems will have single core processors and some will have dual core) CPU's and 456 GB of RAM. This is a est. and they beleive that they may need to increase this by as much as 50%. So the head to head comparsion is 7 CPU's and 20GB to 96 CPU's and 456 GB of RAM. Doesn't seem to head to head to me. That is a about a 13:1 ratio on CPU's and 23:1 on RAM. If Intel was faster then we should be able to do more work on less processors. Please show me a site that has migrated off a modern day mainframe to Intel using the same number of CPU's and same amount of Central Storage/RAM as they had on the mainframe. You know head to head. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /
Re: Repro Mergecat of Volcats
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:22:02 -0500, Om Prakash Thangavelu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, We would like to split our SYS1.VOLCAT.VGENERAL into specific volcats (SYS1.VOLCAT.Vx). Anyone out there has done it in the past. Please share your comments or some sample jcl. We are thinking of doing a Repro mergecat with volumeentries specified, to merge from the VGENERAL into a newly defined/allocated specific volcat Vx. Will this work ... Thanks for any answers or comments. Om Prakash What is a VOLCAT? Your name for a user catalog? I would think yuo should stop trying to use catalogs by volume and use a high level qualifier a.k.a ALIAS. Then define your user catalogs to have some application meaning and not a volume name. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Repro Mergecat of Volcats
SYS1.VOLCAT.VGENERAL is generally the default name for the TCDB tape configuration dataset. A general VOLCAT contains all tape library entries and any tape volume entries that do not point to a specific VOLCAT. Each system can have access to only one general VOLCAT. You must define the general VOLCAT prior to bringing the tape libraries online. OM - check section 1.3.2 of the 'DFSMS Access Method Services for Catalogs' manual for information on splitting / merging tape catalogs. James F. Smith -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth E Tomiak Sent: 18 July 2007 10:25 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Repro Mergecat of Volcats On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:22:02 -0500, Om Prakash Thangavelu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, We would like to split our SYS1.VOLCAT.VGENERAL into specific volcats (SYS1.VOLCAT.Vx). Anyone out there has done it in the past. Please share your comments or some sample jcl. We are thinking of doing a Repro mergecat with volumeentries specified, to merge from the VGENERAL into a newly defined/allocated specific volcat Vx. Will this work ... Thanks for any answers or comments. Om Prakash What is a VOLCAT? Your name for a user catalog? I would think yuo should stop trying to use catalogs by volume and use a high level qualifier a.k.a ALIAS. Then define your user catalogs to have some application meaning and not a volume name. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How can I give the volume unit address and return the volume name from REXX
This REXX can report on ONLINE devices. I have it set up to report on DASD
volumes found where the argument is part of the volume name.
It also contains some unused code that I haven't removed.
Regards
Bruce Hewson
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/* */
/* TITLE = Scan UCBs */
/* */
/* COPYRIGHT = */
/* */
/* AUTHOR= Bruce Hewson */
/* */
/* NAME = SCANUCBS */
/* */
/* FUNCTION = */
/* */
/* NOTES = */
/* */
/* INPUT = Subset mask of required VolSer*/
/* */
/* OUTPUT= */
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/* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - */
/* CHANGE HISTORY: Latest change at top. */
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/* Date NameDescription */
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/* 18/07/07 Bruce HewsonOriginal Version.*/
/* */
/**
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Trace 'o'
Signal on Novalue/* Clean diagnostics */
Signal on Syntax /* for unexpected results. */
Numeric Digits 16
/*---*/
Parse Source opsys calltype execname .
Parse Upper Arg search_arg .
/*---*/
/*- SCANUDBD - Scan UCBs and summarize NED entries -*/
/*---*/
Say 'Begin of dasd UCB scan'
num_UCB = 0
num_UCB_online_CU = 0
num_UCB_offline_CU = 0
num_UCB_online_total = 0
num_UCB_offline_total = 0
SSCB_print. =
SSCB_print.0 = 0
ULUT_address = Ulut()
ULUTE_address = Ulute()
If Storage(ULUT_address, 4) = ULUT Then Do
ULUTDASD = C2d(Storage(X2x(ULUT_address, '1C'), 4))
ULUTDSDI = C2d(Storage(X2x(ULUT_address, '34'), 2))
dasd_ULUTE_addr = D2x(X2d(ULUTE_address) + (12 * (ULUTDSDI -1)))
ULUTNXDC = C2d(Storage(X2x(dasd_ULUTE_addr, '2'), 2))
Do While ULUTNXDC 0
num_UCB = num_UCB + 1
ULUTUCBP = C2x(Storage(X2x(dasd_ULUTE_addr, '08'), 4))
ULUTDEVN = C2x(Storage(X2x(dasd_ULUTE_addr, '00'), 2))
DASD_volser = Storage(X2x(ULUTUCBP, '1C'), 6)
flag1 = C2x(Storage(X2x(ULUTUCBP, '17'), 1))
If Bitand(X2c(flag1),'01'x) = '01'x Then Do
UCB_plus15= C2d(Storage(X2x(ULUTUCBP, '15'), 3)) - 1
hi_byte = X2d(Left(ULUTUCBP,2) ³³ '00')
UCBEXTP_addr = D2x(hi_byte + UCB_plus15)
End
Else Do
UCBEXTP_addr = C2x(Storage(X2x(ULUTUCBP, '15'), 3))
End
UCBIEXT_addr = C2x(Storage(X2x(UCBEXTP_addr, '08'), 4))
SSCB_addr= C2x(Storage(X2x(UCBIEXT_addr, '30'), 4))
If SSCB_addr = '' Then Do
TokenNED = Left('NED not found',32)
End
Else Do
TokenNED = Storage(X2x(SSCB_addr,'1C'),32)
End
ix = SSCB_print.0
If ix 0 Then Do
If Strip(SSCB_print.ix) Strip(SSCB_addr) ,
SSCB_addr Then Do
/* Call Print_SSCB*/
num_UCB_offline_CU = 0
num_UCB_online_CU = 0
ix = ix + 1
SSCB_print.ix = SSCB_addr
SSCB_print.SSCB_addr = ix
SSCB_print.0 = ix
SSCB_print.DEV.ix = ULUTDEVN
SSCB_print.NED.ix = TokenNED
End
Else Do
If Left(SSCB_print.DEV.ix,2) Left(ULUTDEVN,2) Then Do
/* Call Print_SSCB */
num_UCB_offline_CU = 0
num_UCB_online_CU = 0
ix = ix + 1
SSCB_print.ix = SSCB_addr
SSCB_print.SSCB_addr = ix
SSCB_print.0 = ix
SSCB_print.DEV.ix = ULUTDEVN
SSCB_print.NED.ix = TokenNED
End
End
If Pos(search_arg,DASD_volser) 0 Then Do
Say Right(DASD_volser,8) ,
Right(ULUTDEVN,8),
width of postings
To Timothy, but not just Timothy :-) I read the digest. And I find that in one of your posts in the digest copy it has been reformatted. Indeed Intel has not widely deployed SOI, though their primary objectio= n is cost and not value. (Patent royalties?) And Intel does concede th= ey Now I am not sure if the line split and addition of the = sign has occurred in my mail client, my mail exchange, or at the IBM-MAIN server. Darren could possible confirm the IBM-MAIN list server bit. The ARCHIVE copy of the post, via Browser interface, does not show the split effect. Somewhere there is a line limit being breached, which does make it harder to read your posts in the digest. I suppose you could call this post a little gripe. :-) Regards Bruce Hewson ps: I post via the Browser interface, which as far as I can tell, must have the correct line width built in (I hope, especially after my previous REXX posting) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article)
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:21:28 -0700, Dean Kent wrote:
Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:53:39 -0700, Dean Kent wrote:
Since Intel is
already on 45nm process, I don't think you can call 90nm 'leading in
technology'.
Already? when will they begin shipments? They say 2H2007. The z9 has
been shipping since September, 2005.
As I said - you seem to be arguing just to argue. Intel began shipping
90nm products in Feb. 2004, but that really isn't the point. Process size
is not an indicator of performance, or feature set.
Personal attacks are unwarranted.
Process size is a limiting factor for performance.
I guess you don't think much of SOI or copper either.
It has not been shown that either of these provides any benefit in
performance,
How can you say that? Haven't you read the literature? The fact is that
both of these do provide performance benefits.
and has nothing at all to do with feature size.
Didn't you just say that process (feature) size is not an indicator of
performance?
It was
supposed to help with leakage, but Intel seems to be doing quite will
without these.
As Timothy pointed out, Intel is in fact using copper. Has been for years.
Lest you misunderstand me - I am not trying to say that Intel is 'better'
than IBM, nor the other way around.
That's right, you didn't say better. You said faster. More precisely,
you said, The mainframe MPU *is* slower than other processor platforms.
... However, IBM is positioning
the mainframe to compete in some of the same markets that x86 competes.
What do you mean by that? Are you talking about Linux on z? Or are you
talking about the larger servers that are being constructed from 86
processors in the hope of competing with mainframes?
Using the argument that IBM is a leader in technology, and therefore z9 must
be better than x86 is ludicrous, if that was your point.
I most certainly didn't say that, and I think you know it. Red herrings are
not rational arguments.
I mentioned that I find it hard to believe that IBM would invest in
mainframe performance to the extent that x86 manufacturers would,
considering the difference in the competitivness of the markets.
IBM invests where the money is. The mainframe business is a profitable one.
It was
stated that IBM invests $1.2B annually on mainframe RD (hardware, software
and services). Intel, on the other hand, spends almost $6B on their
semiconductor business alone. It should not be surprising that Intel is
also a leader in technology - even if their primary product is the lowly x86
based processors.
Yes, Intel is another leader in the semiconductor industry. Not, IMO, in
computer architectures, though. The iAPX 432 was a notable exception.
As for fault-tolerant systems, Stratus and NEC offer them (and likely
others).
Tandem was first with real fault tolerance as we know it today.
The I/O performance that was once the realm of the mainframe is now
available for other platforms as well.
There's another assertion. Have you any data to back it up? What kind of
I/O bandwidth can these systems handle? A z9 has from 16 to 64 STI busses,
each capable of transferring 2.7 Gbytes/second.
So, while the mainframe still enjoys a relatively comfortable niche, I don't
think mainframers should be too smug about it. x86 processors are not just
good for word processing, despite some comments to that effect. Making
snide, derogatory remarks about x86 or other platforms is just as foolish as
PC people making derogatory comments about the mainframe.
It would be nice if people would post information that would further the
dialog rather than simply to defend a position.
Please do, if you have any data. So far you have provided precious little.
... I've been
working with mainframes since 1976, and x86 based systems since about 1992.
I'm certainly not a hardware engineer, and am no authority on all of the ins
and outs of the various strengths and weaknesses of each platform.
I don't know why you're telling us that. As it happens I have you beat. I
started programming on System/360 in 1970. In 1986 I was writing x86
assembler code. Starting in 1976 I was designing and building hardware for
a 6502 based system, as well as writing 6502 assembler code. I've spent a
lot of time evaluating processor architectures. Today, I work full time
developing z/Architecture system code.
What I
do find a little tiresome are the assertions and derogations about various
platforms based upon 'common wisdom' rather than verifiable information.
So do I. I'm still waiting for you to back up your assertions.
And, by the way, the SPECjbb that you keep mentioning is purely a CPU
benchmark. It is designed to run without performing any I/O. I don't think
there's anyone who buys a mainframe for its sheer processing power.
--
Tom Marchant
Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:21:23 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can the mainframe z900/z990/z9 compete head to head with Intel? IMHO, yes. Head to head. You are talking about the same number of processors and same amount of RAM/Central Storage. I don't understand why the comparison is always technological. Why not compare what the costs to acquire, provision, operate and maintain the system over, say, 4 years? This is the TCO stuff, including staff, software license costs, electricity, floor space, etc. Head to head where it counts: IT spending. Do people *really* care that much about MHz or GB? I figured folks were primarily interested in affordability. Can you get the function you need, with the qualities of service you require, at a price you can afford? Can your infrastructure absorb/accomodate growth? If all you want is a web server, don't buy a mainframe. If all you want is 5 webservers, don't buy a mainframe. If, on the other hand, you want 400 webservers, buy a mainframe. If all you want is 50 servers, buy a small mainframe. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How can I give the volume unit address and return the volume name from REXX
Hi guys, update, the exec does work at z/OS 1.6 on our systems. Just tried on z/OS 1.7 and getting an error. I will debug and get back to you all with changes if required. Thanks Bruce Hewson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
