Re: Out of space uploading to a UNIX directory

2007-10-26 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
Sorry for the somewhat garbled previous post. Sent off too early.

confighfs -x 50c /u/

Right, use confighfs command before going the disruptive way.
I'd recommend to use the megabyte option instead of the cylinder
option: confighfs -x 50m 

Note that you can also expand to HFS to another volume, if its
initial allocation attribute allow so: confighfs -xn 50m ...

Finally, confighfs is for HFS file systems only. zfsadmin command 
is for zFS file systems.

The only valid way to copy an HFS as a data set is DFDSS!


Finally, putting data into /u is not a good idea in the long term.
Its not UNIX like. The /u directory (which corresponds to /home
on other UNIX systems) is intended to be the anchor point for the 
user home directories. As soon as you get a couple of users you 
might want to take advantage of the automount faciility. Doing so 
would inhibit any user data in /u.

Only the system administrator should have write authority to the
/u directory, so its mode should be 755.

Even if you are the single person using UNIX on z/OS, I'd suggest
you create a home directoy for you (usually named after your 
userid) in the /u and work with this. Then create a unique
file system for you and mount in on that directory /u/userid.

Should you ever need to do something with your file system that 
need it to be unmounted, only you are affected by this disruption.
See the z/OS UNIX System Services Planning and User's Guide book
for more on the intended setup.

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Re: Out of space uploading to a UNIX directory

2007-10-26 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
confighfs -x 50c /u/

Right, use confighfs command before going the disruptive way.
I'd recommend to use the megabyte option instead of the cylinder
option: confighfs -x 50m 

Note that you can also expand to HFS to another volume, if its
initial allocation attribute allow so: confighfs -xn 50m ...

Finally, confighfs is for HFS fiel syworks only woth

The only valid way to copy an HFS as a data set is DFDSS!

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Re: Outsmarting WLM

2007-10-26 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
FSVO simple. I consider using the STOP and  MODIFY commands to 
be simple. In a UNIX program, they are even simpler due to the 
use of the __console2 (BPX1CCS) routines.

Except that for obscure reasons you need to start the data part
of the modify command with APPL=.  But it still more than 
outvalues the need to cope with QEDIT and the CIB chanins :-)

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Re: Checking system parameters values

2007-10-26 Thread Imanol Aguirre
Mr Knutson,

Thanks so much for your help. Yes I downloaded the tool from IBM and it 
works. It is just what I was asking for so I could check values stablished by 
IEAOPT values. Thanks again


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Slip Trap turning off GTF on different LPAR

2007-10-26 Thread Grant Ward Able
Hi Listers,
we need to run GTF and have a slip trap set that when triggered will turn 
off the GTF trace. The problem is that both GTF and slip trap are on 
different LPAR's. 

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Re: About dispatching process

2007-10-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/24/2007
   at 08:37 AM, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

He didn't know the first thing about the architecture around that SIGP
instruction (I don't think it is externally documented), 

SIGP is documented, but the code that deals with it is probably OCO these
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Re: About dispatching process

2007-10-26 Thread Barbara Nitz
This leads me to reconsider my understanding about the process of getting
a spin lock. I used to think what SETLOCK does is just keeping on check
the lockword and running disabled. Then, what is the difference between a
spin loop and a disabled loop?

I am not sure I understand the question. Why do you care *how* the operating 
system *obtains* the lock for you? An excessive spin loop normally does not 
occur while *obtaining* a spin lock, but when doing the processing that that 
spin lock actually serializes.

The normal process would be: 
1. setlock obtain whatever-lock
2. do the processing you need to so
3. setlock release whatever lock

A spin loop is something that occurs thousands of times per minute on every 
system. Only when someone holds the locks for too long without releasing them 
an excessive spin is detected (this was explained before).

I believe you can also 'spin' on other things like waiting in a tight loop for 
a bit to be turned off. 

So my guess is, what SETLOCK does is a 'timed disabled loop'. That is,
most of the time it'll loop disabled but not forever. It will enable the
processor regularly thus an excessive spin loop can be detected and 
handled by system. Did I miss something here?

Yes :-). A spin loop is always detected by *another* processor that wants to 
'talk' to one that is running disabled. That 'talk' can be done by using the 
SIGP instruction, and according to protocol (which I believe is OCO) the 
spinning (looping) processor has to look out for SIGPs periodically *while 
doing what it is doing*. The processor does not 'enable' in the psw sense of an 
enabled psw - at that point every other interrupt could come in, too, which 
might be deadly. 
Please don't attempt to test the SIGP instruction in an authorized assembler 
program! You're guaranteed to bring the system down - I have seen an sadump 
where a sysprog attempted exactly that. IBM has a complete module around that 
sigp instruction that does all the protocol stuff.

Your question about the rbs: TCPRBP is always the RB to look at in a dump 
because that one we were excuting under last. Depending on the IPCS command you 
use to look at the address space, it may be formatted right below the tcb 
(summary registers) or in 'creation order' (summary format).
Personally, I prefer summ regi, because I can see at a glance both the psw, 
wlic and the registers (which are stored in the tcb).

Regards, Barbara


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Re: Slip Trap turning off GTF on different LPAR

2007-10-26 Thread Barbara Nitz
we need to run GTF and have a slip trap set that when triggered will turn 
off the GTF trace. The problem is that both GTF and slip trap are on
different LPAR's. 

Provided the 'other lpar' is in the same sysplex, check the action parm for the 
slip trap. Look at the remote parm, you can basically specify all actions 
(described by 'option') remotely, too. I won't even try to provide an example, 
as I always get the parenthesis wrong on the first 3 tries
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Re: About dispatching process

2007-10-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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   at 11:18 AM, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Your question about the rbs: TCPRBP is always the RB to look at in a dump

FSVO always. That's true for a S/A dump, but not true in general.
 
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Re: ICKDSF - PARMS

2007-10-26 Thread willie bunter
We are using 3390.  Sorry, it was an I/O ERROR  
   
  Is the ANANLYZE sufficient? 


Hal Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What kind of hardware? For emulated 3390's (such as Shark), a 'read
check' does not make much sense. Most all such activity occurs in the
cache. Real I/O errors are transparently handled in the hardware.

More reasonable might be a read past end of file, inappropriate DCB, a
null file (VTOC entry only), logically corrupt file/database, etc. All
programmer issues, not hardware. 

I did once see an error when one of the paths was taken offline. 

HTH and good luck 

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Good Day,

A problem was reported regarding read checks on a 3390. I ran an
ANALYZE (using parms SCAN SPEED) and ALL DATA 'MACHINE READABLE'
WITHOUT ERRORS. I executed an INSPECT and received a FUNCTION
COMPLETED, HIGHEST CONDITION CODE WAS 0. 

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Should there be something else that I should try?

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Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code

2007-10-26 Thread Peter Relson
The general rule is this:

Unless otherwise documented, the return code is 4 bytes wide. That means
use of LTGR is incorrect in the general case..

Unless otherwise documented, the high halves of GPRs 0, 1, and 15 (and ARs
0, 1, 14 and 15) are unpredictable on return from any service.

I am unaware of any exceptions to this.

Not that I tend to be a slave to what is documented versus what is not,
from the assembler services guide:

2.1 Saving the Calling Program's Registers



Unless otherwise defined by the individual interface, the calling program
should expect, upon return, that
  The low halves (Bits 32-63) of GPRs 2 through 13 are unchanged
  The high halves (Bits 0-31) of GPRs 2 through 14 are unchanged
  ARs 2 through 13 are unchanged
  FPRs 8 through 15 are unchanged; The Floating Point Control (FPC)
  Register is unchanged with the exception of two fields: the IEEE
  exception flags and the data exception code (DXC).
  When return information is provided in GPR 0, 1, and/or 15 (for
  example return and reason codes), only bits 32-63 of the register
  contain the returned value.

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Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code

2007-10-26 Thread Martin Packer
Jim Mulder wrote...

 But VSM can call other system components which
 may modify bits 0-31 of GPR15, and in fact RSM makes heavy use of
 64-bit GPRs, and it is quite likely that RSM set the value of 
 x'0010' in bits 0-31 of GPR15, which then made its way back
 to the caller of the VSM service.

So that's a maybe to my silly question about the RSM rewrite. :-) As in 
maybe the RSM rewrite has this as a side effect.

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VER Command from TSO for TCP/IP?

2007-10-26 Thread Mark S. House
Is ther a command that can be entered from TSO/ISPF to find out what 
version of TCP/IP that is being run in an LPAR on a z/900 (z/OS 1.7) 
Thanks.

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Re: VER Command from TSO for TCP/IP?

2007-10-26 Thread Richbourg, Claude
NETSTAT from 1.6 will tell you that and more.

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Re: VER Command from TSO for TCP/IP?

2007-10-26 Thread Grant Ward Able
DISPLAY TCPIP 

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Re: Outsmarting WLM

2007-10-26 Thread Mark Zelden


 You'd need to count the number of idle BPXASs and decide then
 if and how many to create. Idle ones are those which show
 up as BPXAS in a D A,BPXAS. Haven't thought about how to
 get that information in the keep-alive program, I admit.

 And Johns suggestion to use modify

 There goes the 'simple fork() program'! :-)

 All good points, I'll keep them in mind.

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FSVO simple. I consider using the STOP and  MODIFY commands to be
simple. In a UNIX program, they are even simpler due to the use of the
__console2 (BPX1CCS) routines.

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I would never consider any of this except as a last resort.  And even 
then I wouldn't want to support it.  Who would want to maintain all that 
bloat-ware.

Barbara, can't you convince whomever needs to be convinced that 
SYSSTC should be tried?  

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Re: VER Command from TSO for TCP/IP?

2007-10-26 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:39:18 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is ther a command that can be entered from TSO/ISPF to find out what
version of TCP/IP that is being run in an LPAR on a z/900 (z/OS 1.7)

The version is 1.7.

All system software is bundled together and versioned the same.

If you know the OS version, you know it for JES, VTAM, RACF, TCP/IP, LE, etc.


Mostly... but not in all cases.   For example, z/OS 1.6 ran with JES2 z/OS 1.5 
(and running lower level versions for migration is supported).   So I guess
that 
is a fair question if you open a JES2 PMR.  But I don't understand why other 
components / subsystems still don't get it.   Just yesterday a DB2 support
person here who has a PMR opened asked me (per the PMR) what level
of LE we were running on z/OS 1.8.  The IBM person had said it was a known
problem if not running 1.5 ... or something like that.  :-(   Of course my 
response was to pass along to IBM that the level was z/OS 1.8 - along
with our RSU level.

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IOF QUESTION

2007-10-26 Thread esmie moo
Good Morning All,
   
  I would like to save my listings to a dsn just like the XDC command in SDSF.  
Is this possible to be done in IOF?



   
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Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code

2007-10-26 Thread Webster, Chris
Thanks for pointing out the doc.  Time to re-read chapter 2.  Should
have searched the assembler list (as Ed pointed out) and the guide
(instead of browsing the TOC for a suitable subject).

Doesn't this make the doc change in the reference (storage/obtain/return
codes) redundant?

Back to mostly lurking.

...chris.

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The general rule is this:

Unless otherwise documented, the return code is 4 bytes wide. That means
use of LTGR is incorrect in the general case..

Unless otherwise documented, the high halves of GPRs 0, 1, and 15 (and
ARs
0, 1, 14 and 15) are unpredictable on return from any service.

I am unaware of any exceptions to this.

Not that I tend to be a slave to what is documented versus what is not,
from the assembler services guide:

2.1 Saving the Calling Program's Registers

snip
/snip

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Re: VER Command from TSO for TCP/IP?

2007-10-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Is ther a command that can be entered from TSO/ISPF to find out what version 
of TCP/IP that is being run in an LPAR on a z/900 (z/OS 1.7) 

The version is 1.7.

All system software is bundled together and versioned the same.

If you know the OS version, you know it for JES, VTAM, RACF, TCP/IP, LE, etc.

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Re: Outsmarting WLM

2007-10-26 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
Barbara, can't you convince whomever needs to be convinced that 
SYSSTC should be tried?  

I'm not against SYSSTC, not at all, so please don't misunderstand 
the following.

My point was that SYSSTC would not help too much if that workload 
(of which I do not know the design) is starting a bunch of new 
UNIX processes, say 100, when all BPXAS had ended before. There 
is a sudden need to create 100 BPXAS address spaces in support of 
that 100 processes.

I'm not saying this takes endless time but it might just be too 
long to achieve the desired response time.


Apart from that, I agree that this is not a nice solution and 
should be done as a last resort (maybe the second but last :-)

Partly because of this I wrote in a previous post that an external 
interface to tell WLM how many BPXAS to keep around might be 
desirable.


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Re: IOF QUESTION

2007-10-26 Thread Kenneth R Barkhau
Hello -

From the command line where you have a 'list' of your output jobs,  type 
in 'S' to select the job that you want to save.  Once the next 'screen' is 
presented, type in 'SD'
from the command line.Once you have completed the panel to 'allocate' 
the dataset,  you will be taken back to  the output for the job again. Now 
type in '1-x  SNAP' (where x is 
the last file that you want captured in your output dataset.

Hope that this helps

Ken

(a new IOF user myself)


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  I would like to save my listings to a dsn just like the XDC command in 
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Re: IOF QUESTION

2007-10-26 Thread Richbourg, Claude
Hello Ernie,

Yes it is and here are the steps.

1) Select your output and then enter SD on the command line.
   It will open a panel you can override size and dsn name.
   Then press enter.
2) Now enter SNAP on the command line.
3) Then enter SNAPCLOS and it is done. Out to the dsn..

Play around and get familiar with the commands.

HTH

Claude Richbourg

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Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code

2007-10-26 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
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Snipped 
 We certainly did not (and would not) attempt to find and update the
 multitude of SVC/PC/callable services to set 64-bit return codes.

grumble-rant
PMFJI here, but why on earth not?  I mean, aside from the sheer magnitude of
the effort, which is NOT an excuse not to do it.  Isn't this supposed to be
a 64-bit OS?  Why shouldn't ALL services of a 64-bit OS return 64-bit
information codes?  As part of the transition to a real 64-bit OS, why
wouldn't it be the (or at least *a*) #1 priority to be sure all system
interfaces were 64-bit-clean?

I know, I know, ...waste of scarce developer resources... -- but why are
those resources so scarce?  IBM is a multi-billion-dollar-profit
corporation, so there is no fiscal excuse for scarce developer resources.
And it's not like the talent is scarce either, it's just that we're closer
to retirement age than makes HR departments happy.  And we're not cheap
labor either.
/grumble-rant

Thanks for listening.  Happy Friday.

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Re: IOF QUESTION

2007-10-26 Thread esmie moo
Thanks to all who have given me an answer.  I am happy to belong to a very 
helpful board.  Good weekend to all.

Kenneth R Barkhau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hello -

From the command line where you have a 'list' of your output jobs, type 
in 'S' to select the job that you want to save. Once the next 'screen' is 
presented, type in 'SD'
from the command line. Once you have completed the panel to 'allocate' 
the dataset, you will be taken back to the output for the job again. Now 
type in '1-x SNAP' (where x is 
the last file that you want captured in your output dataset.

Hope that this helps

Ken

(a new IOF user myself)


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Re: IOF QUESTION

2007-10-26 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
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 Hello Ernie,
 
 Yes it is and here are the steps.
 
 1) Select your output and then enter SD on the command line.
It will open a panel you can override size and dsn name.
Then press enter.
 2) Now enter SNAP on the command line.
 3) Then enter SNAPCLOS and it is done. Out to the dsn..
 
 Play around and get familiar with the commands.
 
 HTH
 
 Claude Richbourg

Also take a look at the help of the SNAP command, you define precisely
what to snap: files, pages, lines.

Kees.
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Re: FTP-Client(PC)/Server(M/F)

2007-10-26 Thread Ron Wells
Michael

Is there not a way to have that PATH set when they login??
so if they do a dir / it will show up as what is equal to there home dir 
specified?? 

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Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code

2007-10-26 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
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 One consequence might be shooting oneself in the foot. Or one's customers.
 
 Check out OA22812 , which describes a problem configuring storage offline.
 The problem is real, by the way; an APAR fix is available.
Snipped

This kind of problem just reinforces my point.  If the system routine
invoked for CMSET SSARTO was 64-bit-clean, the high-order part of the
register would not have been 'dirty', perhaps avoiding the abend.  The
source-level bug of not issuing SYSSTATE AMODE64(YES) when the code was
executing in amode 64 might still have caused trouble, but at least the
register would not have had leftovers in it to compound the issue.

I do realize they probably can't all be done at once, but IMHO it ought to
be a publicly stated IBM goal that all system interfaces *will* be
64-bit-clean no matter what amode they are invoked from.

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Re: Enterprise PL/I issue on z/OS 1.8

2007-10-26 Thread Big Iron
Now covered in a technote:
 http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21284650

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:04:23 -0500, Big Iron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't know if anyone else is affected by this but I thought that I would
post a head's up just in case. We have encountered an issue with existing
Enterprise PL/I programs when going to z/OS 1.8 from z/OS 1.6. PTF PK17116
seems to be incorporated in the LE base and it requires a recompile with
compiler PTF PK17575 installed for any previously-compiled Enterprise PL/I
programs if a FINISH ON unit in the source code is intended to be entered
during termination. Otherwise, the FINISH ON UNIT may not be entered. We
didn't have either PTF installed in our z/OS 1.6 environment.


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Re: LRS PageCenter or CA-View

2007-10-26 Thread Petersen, Jim
Why just those two.  How about View Direct from Mobius with DocView?

 
 
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Can anyone give me feedback on these two products.  Pros/cons etc...

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Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code

2007-10-26 Thread Skip Robinson
One consequence might be shooting oneself in the foot. Or one's customers.

Check out OA22812 , which describes a problem configuring storage offline.
The problem is real, by the way; an APAR fix is available.


ERROR DESCRIPTION:
  An abend0C4 RC38 can occur during CF STOR processing.
  The IARURFRM SRB subroutine PAGQUE issues a CMSET SSARTO
  while running in AMODE64, however, SYSSTATE AMODE64(YES) has
  NOT been issued.  As a result, the CMSET macro generates
  incorrect code for AMODE64.  The dirty high half of R15 causes
  the abend0C4.
  In the reported problem, the result was the nonquiescable
  IARURFRM SRB was repeatedly rescheduled, and when other (normal)
  processing in *MASTER* issued a STATUS STOP,SRBS the STATUS STOP
  could not complete resulting in a hange in *MASTER*.

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 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:04 PM
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 Subject: Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code
Snipped
 We certainly did not (and would not) attempt to find and update the
 multitude of SVC/PC/callable services to set 64-bit return codes.

grumble-rant
PMFJI here, but why on earth not?  I mean, aside from the sheer magnitude
of
the effort, which is NOT an excuse not to do it.  Isn't this supposed to be
a 64-bit OS?  Why shouldn't ALL services of a 64-bit OS return 64-bit
information codes?  As part of the transition to a real 64-bit OS, why
wouldn't it be the (or at least *a*) #1 priority to be sure all system
interfaces were 64-bit-clean?

I know, I know, ...waste of scarce developer resources... -- but why are
those resources so scarce?  IBM is a multi-billion-dollar-profit
corporation, so there is no fiscal excuse for scarce developer resources.
And it's not like the talent is scarce either, it's just that we're closer
to retirement age than makes HR departments happy.  And we're not cheap
labor either.
/grumble-rant

Thanks for listening.  Happy Friday.

Peter

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Re: VARY too many devices offline

2007-10-26 Thread R.S.

1. Everyone can make a mistake, including those who claim otherwise.

2. Firing someone for an error is not good solution, at least as a rule. 
Education is better than terror. g

IMHO it is much better to avoid mistakes. How to do it:
2.1 Education. Skilled operator *understands* command, syntax, which 
reduces risk of some mistakes. Not applicable to Hal's example.
2.2 Procedures. Simply *avoid* risky commands. Do you want o vary some 
devices offline ? Why ? Can it be *scripted* ? Maybe this is well known, 
fixed range of devices.


My operators do make mistakes. However they have never blew up any 
system. Never. I didn't give them an opportunity (chance) to do it.
Everytime I hear about operator who blew up something, he did it while 
performing dangerous things. In Poland we say ape with razor or you 
shouldn't give gun to a madman. If the action is dangerous, then you 
shouldn't rely on less educated staff.


My $0.02 (after 40% taxes and 23% social sec).
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Hal Merritt wrote:

Personally, I'd view this as a management issue, not a technical issue.
The root problem in my opinion was the need for an operator to issue the
command in the first place. When you require human intervention, errors
are to be expected and therefore tolerated. 


There are a number of such commands where a single keystroke error can
and will bring you down. For example, try the command $P PRINTER1, but
hit enter rather than the space bar. (That is recoverable, but it is
unlikely anyone will discover that until after the IPL.)

So, yes, reassign the operators (all of them) and don't replace them. 


My $0.02 (before taxes)

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Not being to tongue in cheek here.. but we used to fire the operator.

Ed



And what good does that do to the integrity of your systems???

Does that prevent anyone else from making a mistake? 


Did you never make a typo in any of the commands you ever entered?  (If
you
never did, then that means you never entered any...)

Jantje.




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Can sort change a lf to crlf?

2007-10-26 Thread John Wallin
Can sort change a lf to crlf?  Add a character in other words?  Substitute two 
characters for one?

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Re: IOF QUESTION

2007-10-26 Thread esmie moo
Hi Claude,
   
  Thank you for responding to my question.  I tried your suggestion and it 
worked great.  
   
  Thanks very much
  
Richbourg, Claude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello Ernie,

Yes it is and here are the steps.

1) Select your output and then enter SD on the command line.
It will open a panel you can override size and dsn name.
Then press enter.
2) Now enter SNAP on the command line.
3) Then enter SNAPCLOS and it is done. Out to the dsn..

Play around and get familiar with the commands.

HTH

Claude Richbourg

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Re: FTP-Client(PC)/Server(M/F)

2007-10-26 Thread Ron Wells
1.)Is there a command to alter the STARTDIRECTORY(FTPparms) when a user 
log's in?
I have been using MVS and usr wants HFS..But can not seem to get back my 
MVS setting when I login..

2.)Is there a means to make responses back to the CLIENT(PC)be in Lower 
case
instead of Uppercase?

3.)Home Directory is set when logged in..but..when issuing a PUT(example)
I still have to specify full path names on the command or it assumes / 
??
Maybe another means to setup??

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Re: FTP-Client(PC)/Server(M/F)

2007-10-26 Thread Michael J Flores
To change your directory use LCD  whatever path you want
this identifies your Local Directory

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Re: FTP-Client(PC)/Server(M/F)

2007-10-26 Thread Michael J Flores
Ron,
Here's a link for a list of DOS commands

http://www.michael-thomas.com/tech/ftpinfo/dosftpnotes.htm


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Re: FTP-Client(PC)/Server(M/F)

2007-10-26 Thread Ron Wells
Michael

not dos I gather is the problem...it is somewhere in setup for m/f 
user...home directory and path when they log in ..

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Re: Can sort change a lf to crlf?

2007-10-26 Thread Reda, John
John,

Yes, the sort can do what you are looking for. For illustrative
purposes, I will assume that the lf is in position 80.  The following
control cards will change an X to an AB.  If the value is not X, it will
be left alone.  If this doesn't help, I'm sure we can work it out:

 SORT FIELDS=COPY 
 OUTREC FIELDS=(1,79,80,1,CHANGE=(2,C'X',C'AB'),NOMATCH=(80,1))

Good luck,
John Reda
Syncsort, Inc.

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Subject: Can sort change a lf to crlf?

Can sort change a lf to crlf?  Add a character in other words?
Substitute two 
characters for one?

Regards,
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Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code

2007-10-26 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:22:42 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:

I do realize they probably can't all be done at once, but IMHO it ought to
be a publicly stated IBM goal that all system interfaces *will* be
64-bit-clean no matter what amode they are invoked from.
 
 
That's a really good idea but how about if we FIRST let IBM finish cleaning up 
after MVS/370 - MVS/XA so we don't have below-the-16M-line issues that 
can throttle us?
 
Then IBM can work out the above/below-the-bar issues along with your 64-bit-
clean campaign. 
 
(Although I would MUCH rather see IBM bite the bullet and unleash us from the 
3390 geometry tyranny.  Though I'll probably sprout wings  fly before I see 
any more 3390 relief under z/OS, I suppose.)  
 
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Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code

2007-10-26 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:37:35 -0500, Tom Schmidt wrote:

... I would MUCH rather see IBM bite the bullet and unleash us 
from the 3390 geometry tyranny.

I'd like to see them create an extended PDS where tracks are virtualized at a 
much larger size.  PDSE already hides a lot of the details of the 
implementation 
from us to make them behave like a PDS.

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Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code

2007-10-26 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
 -Original Message-
 From: Tom Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:38 PM
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 Subject: Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code
Snipped 
 That's a really good idea but how about if we FIRST let IBM finish
 cleaning up after MVS/370 - MVS/XA so we don't have below-the-16M-line
 issues that can throttle us?
 
 Then IBM can work out the above/below-the-bar issues along with your 64-
 bit-clean campaign.
 
 (Although I would MUCH rather see IBM bite the bullet and unleash us from
 the 3390 geometry tyranny.  Though I'll probably sprout wings  fly before
 I see any more 3390 relief under z/OS, I suppose.)

Good points, both of them.  Two more cases of ...scarce developer
resources..., I guess.  Symptoms of running as fast as you can to remain
in the same place?

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IPL an LPAR with a very low weight?

2007-10-26 Thread Dave Thorn
If an LPAR (in a down state) were set to a very low weight (1, for
instance) and then IPLed, would there be problems?

This assumes that the other LPARs are not at high utilizations and using
all the CPU cycles themselves.  

Has anyone done this?  Have problems occurred?

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Re: FTP-Client(PC)/Server(M/F)

2007-10-26 Thread wtrovijo
Ron,

dir / will ALWAYS show system root filesystem; that's a unix standard. There 
are several ftp clients - even  for free - that do allows you to setup local 
and remote homes and run commands after startup. Another way is to use -s:file 
flag with windows command line ftp. The downside of this approach is that first 
2 lines of the file must be the userid and password.  

Walter Trovijo Jr.

 Michael
 
 Is there not a way to have that PATH set when they login??
 so if they do a dir / it will show up as what is equal to there home dir 
 specified?? 


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Re: IPL an LPAR with a very low weight?

2007-10-26 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:44:43 -0400, Dave Thorn wrote:

If an LPAR (in a down state) were set to a very low weight (1, for
instance) and then IPLed, would there be problems?

This assumes that the other LPARs are not at high utilizations and using
all the CPU cycles themselves.

Has anyone done this?  Have problems occurred?
 
 
Depends, of course.  For starters the weight is relative to the aggregate for 
the CEC - if that is only, say, 2 (with 2 LPARs weighted at 1 each) you ought 
not expect to have any problems at all.  Probably not your case though.  
 
Is your LPAR sharing any resources with any others?  GRS or MIM come to 
mind here... if you need to run those on your resource challenged LPAR then 
you are a troublemaker.  
 
If your whimpy LPAR is a monplex, sharing nothing then no, it isn't a problem 
per se.  More of an opportunity to catch up on your reading while you wait for 
it to respond.  
 
(We do it with a sandbox system and it is pretty pokey when the other LPARs 
are guzzling MIPS.  Still, it all works but at an HO-scale. Just not the way to 
run a real railroad.)  
 
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Re: IPL an LPAR with a very low weight?

2007-10-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
If an LPAR (in a down state) were set to a very low weight (1, for instance) 
and then IPLed, would there be problems?

This assumes that the other LPARs are not at high utilizations and using all 
the CPU cycles themselves.

Weights don't matter when the other LPARs are not at high. They only matter 
when there is processor contention.

When that happens, a 1 may be a problem, depending on what it means relative 
to the other LPARs. If they add up to 9 (or 3, or whatever), then it should not 
be an issue. But, if they add up to 999 (or 900, or whatever) then you will 
likely have a problem.

I have found, empirically, that you need about 10% of a processor to get 
through an IPL. But, that was on slower processors.

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Re: IPL an LPAR with a very low weight?

2007-10-26 Thread McKown, John
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 Subject: IPL an LPAR with a very low weight?
 
 
 If an LPAR (in a down state) were set to a very low weight (1, for
 instance) and then IPLed, would there be problems?
 
 This assumes that the other LPARs are not at high 
 utilizations and using
 all the CPU cycles themselves.  
 
 Has anyone done this?  Have problems occurred?
 

I have two LPARs. The production LPAR has a weight of 244. The sysprog
LPAR has a weight of 10. I've never had any problem, other than lack of
CPU at times in the sysprog LPAR.

In the past, we had three LPARs. The third LPAR did some DASD backups
and had a small weight. This did cause problems due to enqueue (DASD
reserve) contention. This was not due to a small weight, per se.

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Re: IPL an LPAR with a very low weight?

2007-10-26 Thread Dave Thorn
2 other LPARs on this box: one weight is 47 the other is 43.  We want to
make the 3rd LPAR=1 (down from 10) and give the other 9 to the one at
47.

This LPAR shares MIM with one LPAR on this box and 2 other LPARs on 2
other boxes; all are in the same sysplex.  So if it IPLs slowly that's
where the problems occur?


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Behalf Of Tom Schmidt
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:52 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IPL an LPAR with a very low weight?

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:44:43 -0400, Dave Thorn wrote:

If an LPAR (in a down state) were set to a very low weight (1, for
instance) and then IPLed, would there be problems?

This assumes that the other LPARs are not at high utilizations and
using
all the CPU cycles themselves.

Has anyone done this?  Have problems occurred?
 
 
Depends, of course.  For starters the weight is relative to the
aggregate for 
the CEC - if that is only, say, 2 (with 2 LPARs weighted at 1 each) you
ought 
not expect to have any problems at all.  Probably not your case though.

 
Is your LPAR sharing any resources with any others?  GRS or MIM come to 
mind here... if you need to run those on your resource challenged LPAR
then 
you are a troublemaker.  
 
If your whimpy LPAR is a monplex, sharing nothing then no, it isn't a
problem 
per se.  More of an opportunity to catch up on your reading while you
wait for 
it to respond.  
 
(We do it with a sandbox system and it is pretty pokey when the other
LPARs 
are guzzling MIPS.  Still, it all works but at an HO-scale. Just not the
way to 
run a real railroad.)  
 
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Re: Another squirrel strike

2007-10-26 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:42:10 -0400, Gregory, Gary G 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
and had to wait for the CE to come out to retract the r/w heads of the
volumes.
...

On the other hand, the squirrel's head was well retracted.
(Sorry.  Sort of.)

Pat O'Keefe

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HMC - Driver 67L - LOAD Function

2007-10-26 Thread Mark Zelden
We upgraded to level 67L last weekend and I noticed while IPLing one of my
sandbox LPARs that the code finally distinguishes between an LPAR that
is running and one that is stopped.  

You used to get a warning message that said something like The LPAR
is active. JOBs will be canceled.  (don't know the exact msg... gone now)

This always made me cancel out one more time and make sure I was
really IPLing the LPAR I intended to that had been shut down.  This is
despite that we keep all the ICONs locked except our sandbox LPARs.
(yes, someone IPLed a production LPAR 6 or 7 years ago which led
to locking all but our sandbox LPARs).

Now here is what I see:


  Load may cause information in memory for the target to be lost, since
   the target is in a stopped or disabled wait state.   

   Do you want to continue with this task? 


The new active warning message is this:


   Load will cause operations to be disrupted, since the target is
   currently in use and operating normally.
   
   Do you want to continue with this task?


I always wondered why the HMC wasn't smarter.  It's about time.  Of course
if the warning panel itself contained the image name, I would have never
had to double check either.  Unfortunately, it still doesn't do that.

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Re: IPL an LPAR with a very low weight?

2007-10-26 Thread Ken Porowski
Assuming you are not using a hard (or soft) cap and the other LPARs are
not using the whole box, you should be able to run at whatever the
others do not use.

Because you are using MIM you might want to leave it at 10 and assuming
no LPAR is capped and the CEC is not running flat out the other LPARs
can use whatever portion of the 10 is not needed.  If you do approach
100% you want MIM on the little guy to be reasonably responsive.

There are ways to tune MIM for LPARs of different responsiveness (IIRC
you end up forcing the little guy to hit the control files more often
than demand would normally dictate).  

-Original Message-
Dave Thorn

2 other LPARs on this box: one weight is 47 the other is 43.  We want to
make the 3rd LPAR=1 (down from 10) and give the other 9 to the one at
47.

This LPAR shares MIM with one LPAR on this box and 2 other LPARs on 2
other boxes; all are in the same sysplex.  So if it IPLs slowly that's
where the problems occur?

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Re: IPL an LPAR with a very low weight?

2007-10-26 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:13:41 -0400, Dave Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

2 other LPARs on this box: one weight is 47 the other is 43.  We want to
make the 3rd LPAR=1 (down from 10) and give the other 9 to the one at
47.

This LPAR shares MIM with one LPAR on this box and 2 other LPARs on 2
other boxes; all are in the same sysplex.  So if it IPLs slowly that's
where the problems occur?


Is it MIA or MII (or both).  It doesn't matter that much... but tape allocation 
delays are not as bad as ENQ delays.   Either way, since you are sharing
and you can't get MIM higher than SYSSTC (or SYSTEM if using the 
address space create method of starting it) - it still has to share with all
the OS system tasks at the same priority and if the box is maxed out 
you'll affect your other environments.  I would look at RMF reports and 
see what the idle usage is and certainly not make the weight lower than
that.  But you would probably want to either bump up the weight during 
IPLs or start MIM after the rest of the IPL was done.  

If this was a totally stand alone LPAR, then I agree with what one of the
previous posters said... it will just be VERY SLOW when the box is 
at or near capacity. 

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Re: Can sort change a lf to crlf?

2007-10-26 Thread John Wallin
John,

Thanks for your reply and answer.  I'll pass it on to the questioner.

Regards,
John

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Re: FTP-Client(PC)/Server(M/F)

2007-10-26 Thread Aaron Walker
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:29:43 -0500, Ron Wells 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Michael

not dos I gather is the problem...it is somewhere in setup for m/f
user...home directory and path when they log in ..



The z/OS Unix home directory is set in the RACF OMVS segment HOME 
entry for that user.  That will be the same location that they end up if 
they telnet/ssh in to the system.

In the config file referenced by the SYSFTPD card in your FTP proc, you 
will have a STARTDIRECTORY entry which either set to MVS (for a MVS-
dataset home for the user) or HFS (for a z/OS Unix home for the user).  

On a z/OS system, whether you are client or server, you change 
directory to MVS datasets by surrounding your destination in tick 
marks:

cd 'MY.MVS.DATASET'

or

cd 'MY.MVS.PDS'

If you want to change directory to a z/OS Unix location, remove the tick 
marks:

cd /some/directory/

Aaron

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Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code

2007-10-26 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Peter,
While you have a somewhat valid point, I think that IBM did a much
better job at backward compatibility with 31 - 64 bit than any others.
In most other 64 bit os's, to run 64 bit, most applications have to be
recompiled.  A 64 bit process space CANNOT invoke 32 bit services (they
just can't don't ask), so yes, while IBM could have done better, they
did document the fact that return codes are 32 bit values, did they not?
Just because some thinks make assumptions, the doc is clear.

Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
JME Software LLC
NOTE:  All opinions are strictly my own.


 

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Snipped 
 We certainly did not (and would not) attempt to find and update the
 multitude of SVC/PC/callable services to set 64-bit return codes.

grumble-rant
PMFJI here, but why on earth not?  I mean, aside from the sheer
magnitude of
the effort, which is NOT an excuse not to do it.  Isn't this supposed to
be
a 64-bit OS?  Why shouldn't ALL services of a 64-bit OS return 64-bit
information codes?  As part of the transition to a real 64-bit OS, why
wouldn't it be the (or at least *a*) #1 priority to be sure all system
interfaces were 64-bit-clean?

I know, I know, ...waste of scarce developer resources... -- but why
are
those resources so scarce?  IBM is a multi-billion-dollar-profit
corporation, so there is no fiscal excuse for scarce developer
resources.
And it's not like the talent is scarce either, it's just that we're
closer
to retirement age than makes HR departments happy.  And we're not cheap
labor either.
/grumble-rant

Thanks for listening.  Happy Friday.

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Re: FTP-Client(PC)/Server(M/F)

2007-10-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:02:50 -0500, Aaron Walker wrote:

If you want to change directory to a z/OS Unix location, remove the tick
marks:

cd /some/directory/

Apparently not generally so, as for example with a Solaris
client and a z/OS server:

ftp put |date ./foo.bar
200 Port request OK.
501 Invalid data set name ./foo.bar. Use MVS Dsname conventions.

Far more annoying is that the lcd command doesn't really
change your local directory as chdir() would:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:132$ cd /tmp 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:133$ ftp localhost
220-FTPD1 IBM FTP CS V1R7 at MVS, 21:13:31 on 2007-10-26.

Command:
lcd /etc
HFS directory /etc is the current working directory.

Command:
! pwd
/u/user

... so I can't do an LCD then a shell escape to list the
contents of the directory I changed to as I could on a
normal UNIX system.

Command:
quit
 QUIT 
221 Quit command received. Goodbye.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:134$ pwd
/SYSTEM/tmp

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Re: FTP-Client(PC)/Server(M/F)

2007-10-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:13:53 -0500, Ron Wells wrote:

2.)Is there a means to make responses back to the CLIENT(PC)be in Lower case
instead of Uppercase?

Why?  This really shouldn't matter unless you're attempting some
sort of automated operation, in which case be aware that the
message texts are not guaranteed; only the numeric codes.

If your concern is merely esthetic, I'll add an esthetic whine of
my own: Is there a means to make the user input commands be echoed
on the same line as the prompt instead of on the following line?

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IBM Confidential

2007-10-26 Thread Phil Payne
Friday.

I'm currently working on a new version of the IBM vs PSI analysis, based upon 
IBM's Amended
Complaint and PSI's response thereto.  Because this set of documents 
essentially represents
the endgame, I'm taking a little time.

But I was forced into spontaneous gigglery (think LOL, ROTF,LMAO) when I read 
IBM's petty
grumble about IBM Confidential materials.

The fire is out and the ashes are cold - some of the stories can be told.

IBM has _NEVER_ been security-conscious.  Even to today.  Idiots, who've failed 
to take on
board the most elementary principles.  Every IBMer in such a situation should 
read R. V.
Jones' discussion of working fiction during the U-boat war. And take note - 
it's a seminal
text on how to drag something out of what looks like nothing.

In the very early 1990s - 1990 or 1991, I can't be bothered to check - IBM set 
up a meeting in
Dublin for all of the competitive marketing people in Europe.  Oh, dear Lord - 
run by the
Danes.  Next time pick people with smaller egos.  Incredibly, IBM had published 
(and still
publishes) the internal structure of this group via Blue Pages.  Equally 
incredibly, they
always used the same hotels in every European city.  A few beers and a good 
meal for a few
staff in each of their hotels earned a stream of: Guess who's booked twenty 
rooms next
Friday?

And so it was in Dublin this time.  People whom one would expect to be there 
'disappeared'
from their geographies.  You got a customer to call: Sorry - he's back on 
Friday.  In some
cases we had flight numbers.

So with moderate effort you could reproduce the list of attendees.

Now - there is a general principle within most European countries of totters 
rights  What
this means is that what you discard (in the trash) is no longer yours.  For a 
variety of legal
reasons (to do with liability about its treatment) ownership and legal title 
passes to the
cleasing/refuse department.  It's theirs to do what they want with it.  And 
they have an
obligation at law to get the best price for all the recyclable material they 
collect.

All meetings and conferences are the same.  There's always someone who doesn't 
turn up.
Business commitments change, grandmothers get ill.

So a very simple offer to the Dublin Cleansing Authority (actually privatized, 
but that's a
detail) for GBP1 for every 1lb weight of materials marked IBM Confidential 
was not only 100%
legal but also quite productive.

Two complete copies of the secret squirrel manual and the handouts.  GBP10 plus 
the airfare
and one night in the Connaught on the same square.  And a receipt.

Followed by a discussion with corporate counsel.  How did you get this?  
Here's the
receipt.

Every page had to be marked with its certified origin, etc.

For a lot of people I know - and certainly for myself - IBM Confidential at 
the bottom of a
page effectively means Please turn over.  Those familiar with my dispute with 
IBM's aßhole
lawyer will know I sent them 13 (thirteen) warnings about the z890 data before 
using it.  And
being shat on for my trouble.

I've now got more than one unsolicited copy of the z6 stuff - what in hell am I 
(or we,
including PSI) supposed to do about this?

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Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code

2007-10-26 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
 -Original Message-
 From: Wayne Driscoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:35 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: z/OS 1.8 Conditional Storage Obtain/Getmain Return Code
 
 Peter,
 While you have a somewhat valid point, I think that IBM did a much
 better job at backward compatibility with 31 - 64 bit than any others.

Undoubtedly true, but we're used to seeing exceptional compatibility from
IBM, so we expect that and more.

 In most other 64 bit os's, to run 64 bit, most applications have to be
 recompiled.  A 64 bit process space CANNOT invoke 32 bit services (they
 just can't don't ask), 

Also true, I have seen both of those.

 so yes, while IBM could have done better, they
 did document the fact that return codes are 32 bit values, did they not?
 Just because some thinks make assumptions, the doc is clear.

Also true.  As I tried to indicate, it's only a grumble, not a true
complaint or problem.  It just seemed like such an outrageous statement to
make, that they *would* not go back and make all service/SVC/PC/etc.
routines 64-bit-clean in their returned values, that I just had to pipe up
and say something about it.  I guess my cranky side just came out.

Happy Friday.

Peter

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Re: IPL an LPAR with a very low weight?

2007-10-26 Thread Al Sherkow
Hi Dave --

I suspect you wouldn't be considering this unless you were having problems
with CPU resource contention in the two big LPARs (at 47 and 43). What kind
of machine is this? how many engines? 

If this small LPAR is down, and the box is nearly 100% busy, IPLing this
LPAR will be very slow, and this small LPAR may slow down the others in the
sysplex and MIM.

What is the real problem you are trying to solve? 

Al

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Re: Can sort change a lf to crlf?

2007-10-26 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 10:58 -0500, John Wallin wrote:
 Can sort change a lf to crlf?  Add a character in other words?  Substitute 
 two 
 characters for one?

Why the sort requirement ???. This type of question usually comes from
pulling in (non-binary) files from Windoze into a *nix environment.

Trivial to resolve with sed, and doesn't presume fixed record length.

Shane ...

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