Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:49:14 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote: ---snip- Would refusing to license your software on machines other than what you produce go toward malicious actions? Would refusing to license your software for running on a competitor's machine, when just a few months earlier you were doing that? unsnip- Let's remember that z/OS nowadays requires a 64-bit-capable machine. If you don't have the capability, then the license is useless. You didn't answer Steve's question, Rick. Fundamental and PSI both had z/Architecture compatible hardware. Hercules is also compatible. IBM will not license its software on any of these. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM C header files
des...@verizon.net wrote: sas...@sas.com (Don Poitras) writes: Try: #include sys/types.h If you look inside the EDC4H031 member, you see this as the comment. * sys/types.h header file Note that to get hold of something in sys/ you really should not be defining the location of header files with DD cards. There just aren't enough hints in a concatenation of PDSs. Use the SEARCH/LSEARCH parameters and give up SYSLIB completely. For standard headers? I've never needed to do this. The IBM PROCs seem to be setup correctly. For SAS/C, we have a separate file you need to use that maps odd #includes to member names. -- Don Poitras - zSeries R D - SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive mailto:sas...@sas.com (919)531-5637 Fax:677- Cary, NC 27513 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
It is not malicious...just common sense business practices in a capitalist society. Although others might think otherwise. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly? On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:49:14 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote: ---snip-- --- Would refusing to license your software on machines other than what you produce go toward malicious actions? Would refusing to license your software for running on a competitor's machine, when just a few months earlier you were doing that? unsnip--- -- Let's remember that z/OS nowadays requires a 64-bit-capable machine. If you don't have the capability, then the license is useless. You didn't answer Steve's question, Rick. Fundamental and PSI both had z/Architecture compatible hardware. Hercules is also compatible. IBM will not license its software on any of these. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM C header files
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:47:51 -0400, Don Poitras sas...@sas.com wrote: des...@verizon.net wrote: sas...@sas.com (Don Poitras) writes: Try: #include sys/types.h If you look inside the EDC4H031 member, you see this as the comment. * sys/types.h header file Note that to get hold of something in sys/ you really should not be defining the location of header files with DD cards. There just aren't enough hints in a concatenation of PDSs. Use the SEARCH/LSEARCH parameters and give up SYSLIB completely. For standard headers? I've never needed to do this. The IBM PROCs seem to be setup correctly. For SAS/C, we have a separate file you need to use that maps odd #includes to member names. -- Don Poitras - zSeries R D - SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive mailto:sas...@sas.com (919)531-5637 Fax:677- Cary, NC 27513 You should review the compile listing to see if the SEARCH option is in effect. HTH, Dave Waldman ***z/OS V1R9.0 XL C/C++ User's Guide*** 4.97 SEARCH | NOSEARCH Category Compiler input Pragma equivalent None. Purpose Specifies the directories or data sets to be searched for system include files. When the SEARCH compiler option is in effect, the preprocessor looks for system include files in the specified directories or data sets . System include files are those files that are associated with the #include filename form of the #include preprocessor directive. See Using include files in topic 7.16 for a description of the #include preprocessor directive. When the NOSEARCH compiler option is in effect, the preprocessor searches only those data sets that are specified in the SYSLIB statement. Syntax #9472;,#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;amp;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9488; #9484;#9472;SE#9472;#9472;(#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9516;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9516;#9472;#9472;opt#9472;#9524;#9472;#9472;)#9472;#9488; #9474; #9492;#9472;//#9472;#9496; #9474; #9472;#9472;#9524;#9472;NOSE#9472;#9472;amp;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;amp;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9524;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;amp;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472; #9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;#9472;amp;#9472; Defaults For C++, the default option is SE(//'CEE.SCEEH.+, //'CBC.SCLBH.+'). For C, the default option is SE(//'CEE.SCEEH.+'). ***end snip*** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: U.S. house decommissions its last mainframe, saves $730,000
It seems to me that if they have a 12 year old mainframe, they've probably been working on the 'modernization' or 'migration off of' for 10 years. Something tells me that wasn't what they were planning on. (Insert your favorite vendors proposal to 'get off the mainframe in 9 months' here). MA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
Hadaway, John wrote: It is not malicious...just common sense business practices in a capitalist society. Although others might think otherwise. This capitalist society has anti-trust laws. Hopefully, they will be applied fairly before it's too late. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.
environment here is z/os 1.9 am getting (jes) wto buffer shortages. last time this happened, 5 or so years ago , I was able to clean things but by issueing a series of “k q” commands. now when I do so, I’m getting iee847 error messages: “K not valid for extended mcs console”. research of this error message in ibm’s LOOKAT site tells me that I should“ …. enter the equivalent subsystem command “ instead. somewhere along the line between 5 years ago and NOW, I’ve failed to keep up with new developments. how/where does one find out about these new “equivalent subsystem commands”? in other words, what do I do now, instead? (p.s. – I’ve looked in the 1.9 mvs commands manual, and found NO entry for subsystem commands in the index.) tia /s/ tuco bonno graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of Southeast Asia; I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !!
Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
I think it's time to get the horse back in front of the cart. IANAL, but I think the first thing that need to be done is define the market that has allegedly been monopolized. I don't know if (legally) it is proper to define the market as IBM compatible mainframes, that sounds a little too restrictive. You can define almost any company as a monopoly if you define the market restrictive enough. In the 50's and 60's it was easy, IBM dominated the tabulating and computer industries as a whole, which is certainly not the case today. Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com 10/19/2009 4:42 PM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly? -snip--- Who else produces mainframes What is the market share of the competition /IBM There is your answer. -snip IBM's competitors essentially handed a monopoly to IBM when they announced decisions NOT to implement a 64-bit architecture. So if it is a monopoly, it's not by IBM's malicious actions. SNIP Please tell me what you consider to be malicious actions. Would suing a company and then buying them out to keep from losing the case meet your definition? Would refusing to license your software on machines other than what you produce go toward malicious actions? Would refusing to license your software for running on a competitor's machine, when just a few months earlier you were doing that? Enquiring minds would like to know. Regards, Steve Thompson -- Opinions expressed by this poster may not reflect those of poster's employer -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.
Bonno, Tuco wrote: environment here is z/os 1.9 am getting (jes) wto buffer shortages. last time this happened, 5 or so years ago , I was able to clean things but by issueing a series of “k q” commands. now when I do so, I’m getting iee847 error messages: “K not valid for extended mcs console”. research of this error message in ibm’s LOOKAT site tells me that I should“ …. enter the equivalent subsystem command “ instead. K Q still works for MCS and SMCS consoles. It never worked for MCS extended consoles. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.
K Q still works for MCS and SMCS consoles. It never worked for MCS extended consoles. ok then when I used it last 5 years ago, it was obviously not on an MCS extended console . how does one deal with the problem when it's showing up on an MCS extended console ? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.
In a message dated 10/20/2009 9:09:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, edja...@phoenixsoftware.com writes: K Q still works for MCS and SMCS consoles. It never worked for MCS extended consoles. Lacking that, motor over to HMC and ACTIVATE CN(*)? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.
Tuco, The 'K Q' command is no longer suported for EMCS consoles on 1.9. This is explained in the z/OS V1R9.0 MVS Planning: Operations manual. Regards, Dave Waldman -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: cpu upgrade
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:23:05 +, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: CBU is for events which are one step below a Declared Disaster but has only taken out one of the IBM 2096's. That's a pretty restrictive definition for CBU. It can/has been used for declared disasters, as well. That's what we used it for in a two-site GDPS. The back-up site had up to 5 additional engines, under CBU, in case of a disaster at the second site. And, this config was set up on z/900's over 6 years ago. - In my case it is indeed very restrictive and VERY CHEAP. CBU is not used at the DR site because at the DR site (3rd party provider), I get an equivalent of the MIPS (MSUs) which I am running at my local site. So indeed I am restricted to what is considered a non-DR event at the local site. A DR event locally is one where both of the z9BC's or something like all my DASD blowup, hey a flood in the basement, etc. In general if one z9BC smokes bigtime and it can not be replaced within a reasonable amount of time, then I can invoke CBU on the other z9BC to bring one from an IBM 2096-O02 to z02 or IBM 2096- T03 to a z03 and all for less than $6K per year if my memory serves me. If one can afford GDPS and your own second site, then am sure one can afford to pay a few dollars more to invoke CBU at a DR site. jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Shop zSeries Ordering
Just wondering if anyone else was having a problem ordering on shop zseries. When ordering maintenance I get to 'Step 4 of 5 Specify delivery options' where you use the drop down menu for 'preferred media', I usually select internet. The drop down menu yesterday and today is empty so I cannot select an option and thus can't go any further. Anyone else finding this? Thanks Matt Oh, I called the shop zseries support number and the person answering the phone was not familiar with what shop zseries was. No comment... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Back to Work
On 19 Oct 2009 12:59:31 -0700, ps2...@yahoo.com (Ed Gould) wrote: Congratulations!Sorry to hear about Dubuque placement. I used to visit there once a year in Jan-Feb for a weekend years ago skiing.On the positive side I heard that it is going to get train service to Chicago soon (the ride is long and boring). On the positive side it does have a decent place to get stereo equipment. Never can say anything positive about places to eat. It's IOWA so do not expect anything spicy. Skiing was mostly a yawn. Some people used skis to get around Iowa State after a storm when I was there, but Iowa is *flat*.Moved to Colorado in 1980. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
On 20 Oct 2009 06:45:04 -0700, edja...@phoenixsoftware.com (Edward Jaffe) wrote: This capitalist society has anti-trust laws. Hopefully, they will be applied fairly before it's too late. What would you expect this enforcement to mandate?How will our society benefit? As I mentioned earlier - communities gave monopolies to cable companies - but technology took them away. When companies upgrade from mainframes to Sun clusters, then obviously those companies didn't consider the mainframes to be monopolistic.It's like the person who isn't in the business of buying drill bits - he's in the business of buying holes.We aren't in the market to buy mainframes, we are in the market of buying data solutions. Where's IBM's monopoly there? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers
How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 10/19/2009 12:51:38 PM: Fairly nice article. Rather nicely balanced about the pluses of either environment. It's a slide show. http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/Big-Iron-Mainframes-Versus-x86-Servers-What-You-Need-to-Know-332020/?kc=EWKNLEDP08202009A John McKown - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
I have no idea about the legal requirements for a monopoly, but it seems fair to me that the test of a mainframe monopoly should involve criteria like: 1. Do most companies have more than one reasonable competing vendor/supplier able to satisfy their needs? Some companies might be able to convert to another platform, i.e., something other than the traditional IBM compatible mainframe. 2. Can companies afford to convert to another vendor's product? Some conversions might cost too much to be practical. 3. Is the number of customers, who cannot effectively convert, large enough to have a significant negative affect on their industry, other industries, their region, other regions, etc.? In other words, anti-trust enforcement should be largely for the good of the public, not a few companies. 4. What discourages other vendors from attempting to effectively compete? Someone suggested that IBM's 64-bit discouraged other vendors offering competing products. Was there no way for other vendors to make money on 64-bit products? Are patents, software copyrights, etc. promoting competition or choking it? To me there can be a fine line between discovering something (like discovering fire) and inventing something (like how to start a fire, where there are many ways to accomplish that)? Don Williams -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
In some ways, this makes me think of Apple's OS X. The EULA states that you cannot install it on non-Apple hardware. But that's about it. You can't easily install OS X on a regular PC because PC's use BIOS and all Macs use a much more modern EFI. Simply emulating an EFI layer on top of your BIOS will allow OS X to boot. IBM enforces their EULA by distributing their software in a way that uses your CPU serial and a license, renewed every year (or so). In addition, they refuse to sell you the software if your CPU serial number is not one that belongs to their mainframe product line. That's where you cross the thresh-hold and step into anti-trust territory. They have a 95-99% market share if I had to guess. This licensing policy is the difference between keeping that 95-99% market share and being forced to compete with these other companies, at least in terms of the hardware costs. It's not the end of the world, but I'm sure some salesmen are aghast at the idea of having to drive a mere Audi to work instead of a BMW. If they lose the margins on their sales, what will the Johnsons think? They just installed a walk-in BBQ pit and we're still using gas. For shame, government regulators. For shame. All that schmoozing to get an MBA and now you might as well just tear it up. Scott On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: I think it's time to get the horse back in front of the cart. IANAL, but I think the first thing that need to be done is define the market that has allegedly been monopolized. I don't know if (legally) it is proper to define the market as IBM compatible mainframes, that sounds a little too restrictive. You can define almost any company as a monopoly if you define the market restrictive enough. In the 50's and 60's it was easy, IBM dominated the tabulating and computer industries as a whole, which is certainly not the case today. Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com 10/19/2009 4:42 PM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly? -snip--- Who else produces mainframes What is the market share of the competition /IBM There is your answer. -snip IBM's competitors essentially handed a monopoly to IBM when they announced decisions NOT to implement a 64-bit architecture. So if it is a monopoly, it's not by IBM's malicious actions. SNIP Please tell me what you consider to be malicious actions. Would suing a company and then buying them out to keep from losing the case meet your definition? Would refusing to license your software on machines other than what you produce go toward malicious actions? Would refusing to license your software for running on a competitor's machine, when just a few months earlier you were doing that? Enquiring minds would like to know. Regards, Steve Thompson -- Opinions expressed by this poster may not reflect those of poster's employer -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Back to Work
Having had all of cable, satellite, 'air card', and DSL Internet service, I'd put satellite fourth on that list. The speed is there, but the latency is an issue. Something to consider is if you have a business need for the service and your employer does not reimburse you, then the service may become tax deductable. Of course, US tax laws are very complex and YMMV. Welcome back. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Back to Work I finally am going back to work on Monday. I'll be working at the new IBM call center in Dubuque, Iowa. I'm not sure if later today I'll even be able to see my IBM-Main messages when I leave Milwaukee. I'll be living on a farm in the country. I'm not sure if I want to pay $60 to $80 a month for internet access by either satellite or cell phone. Time will tell. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PSF SAPI
PSF uses the JES FSI, not SAPI (Infoprint Server in Extended Mode uses SAPI). Using the Functional Subsystem, PSF can behave like a JES-managed printer. Howard Turetzky Advanced Technical Support howard.turet...@infoprint.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers
That's a lot of hood ornaments. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:13 AM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com wrote: How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? How many moving vans = 1500 motorcycles? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Talman How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? It depends. Could be as few as one. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
On 19 Oct 2009 13:47:18 -0700, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson, Steve) wrote: Please tell me what you consider to be malicious actions. Would suing a company and then buying them out to keep from losing the case meet your definition? Not mine.You can't buy a company that doesn't accept your bid. Would refusing to license your software on machines other than what you produce go toward malicious actions? No. It's also not malicious to have an exclusive contract with one vendor (iPhone/ATT) Would refusing to license your software for running on a competitor's machine, when just a few months earlier you were doing that? That's closer. The way Apple did this was to switch the name of its operating system (I'm not sure which version - from 8 to 9 or from 9 to 10). Its old contract was no longer valid. Enquiring minds would like to know. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM C header files
David Waldman wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:47:51 -0400, Don Poitras sas...@sas.com wrote: des...@verizon.net wrote: sas...@sas.com (Don Poitras) writes: Try: #include sys/types.h If you look inside the EDC4H031 member, you see this as the comment. * sys/types.h header file Note that to get hold of something in sys/ you really should not be defining the location of header files with DD cards. There just aren't enough hints in a concatenation of PDSs. Use the SEARCH/LSEARCH parameters and give up SYSLIB completely. For standard headers? I've never needed to do this. The IBM PROCs seem to be setup correctly. For SAS/C, we have a separate file you need to use that maps odd #includes to member names. -- Don Poitras - zSeries R D - SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive mailto:sas...@sas.com (919)531-5637 Fax:677- Cary, NC 27513 You should review the compile listing to see if the SEARCH option is in effect. HTH, Dave Waldman You're right. I do have the default SEARCH. That said, the default works fine for the standard headers. I've never needed to override the default. -- Don Poitras - zSeries R D - SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive mailto:sas...@sas.com (919)531-5637 Fax:677- Cary, NC 27513 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.
The 'K Q' command is no longer suported for EMCS consoles on 1.9. This is explained in the z/OS V1R9.0 MVS Planning: Operations manual. thank you. i'm onto it. Regards, Dave Waldman -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Shop zSeries Ordering
Matt, I just ordered 7 PTFs without difficulty. Try clearing your cache, try Firefox or IE (whichever you are not currently using) Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Dazzo, Matt Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Shop zSeries Ordering Just wondering if anyone else was having a problem ordering on shop zseries. When ordering maintenance I get to 'Step 4 of 5 Specify delivery options' where you use the drop down menu for 'preferred media', I usually select internet. The drop down menu yesterday and today is empty so I cannot select an option and thus can't go any further. Anyone else finding this? Thanks Matt Oh, I called the shop zseries support number and the person answering the phone was not familiar with what shop zseries was. No comment... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rowe Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly? I think it's time to get the horse back in front of the cart. IANAL, but I think the first thing that need to be done is define the market that has allegedly been monopolized. I don't know if (legally) it is proper to define the market as IBM compatible mainframes, that sounds a little too restrictive. You can define almost any company as a monopoly if you define the market restrictive enough. In the 50's and 60's it was easy, IBM dominated the tabulating and computer industries as a whole, which is certainly not the case today. Right. The z architecture systems are only one of many possible Enterprise Level architectures. Many would argue that the i, p, and large Intel/AMD servers are also Enterprise Level. But none of them implement z architecture. In fact, one could really argue that IBM totally dominates the i marketplace even more than the z. The i runs two possible OSes: i5/OS and Linux. i5/OS does not even have the ability to have system level vendors like CA because the majority of the OS is implemented in SLIC (System Licensed Internal Code) which would be like z/OS being implemented in millicode on the z. Once on an i, you are every bit as locked in to the i as z people say that they are locked into the z. And this is vendor nirvana. It is what MS wishes it could do, and tries to via software only. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.
Bonno, Fortunately the systems stay up now...I think to can do a K S, and change the roll time and DEL=D to optimized the messages scrolling. You can still use a MPF to suppress if this occurs regularly and you want to automate it. Kevin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works. environment here is z/os 1.9 am getting (jes) wto buffer shortages. last time this happened, 5 or so years ago , I was able to clean things but by issueing a series of “k q” commands. now when I do so, I’m getting iee847 error messages: “K not valid for extended mcs console”. research of this error message in ibm’s LOOKAT site tells me that I should“ …. enter the equivalent subsystem command “ instead. somewhere along the line between 5 years ago and NOW, I’ve failed to keep up with new developments. how/where does one find out about these new “equivalent subsystem commands”? in other words, what do I do now, instead? (p.s. – I’ve looked in the 1.9 mvs commands manual, and found NO entry for subsystem commands in the index.) tia /s/ tuco bonno graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of Southeast Asia; I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! This e-mail message and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of its authorized recipient(s). If you are not an intended or authorized recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not authorized to receive it, please immediately notify the sender and delete the original message and all copies of it from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Shop zSeries Ordering
I had numerous problems with IBM.COM yesterday. I was searching for information on the products added to SCRT V18 and could not find them. For example 5655-V60 is WebSphere Message Broker for z/OS V71 (actually only V7, not 71) and the only hit on IBM.COM is the SCRT What's New Page. Fortunately a google search was able to find the announcement letter so I could gather the other information I need. I've always been able to find announcement letters via the IBM search box. The search doesn't work today either. Al Sherkow, I/S Management Strategies, Ltd. Call Save Money on IBM System z Software Charges Consulting Expertise on Capacity Planning, Performance Tuning, WLC, LPARs, IRD and LCS Software Seminars on IBM SW Pricing, LPARs, and IRD Voice: +1 414 332-3062 Web: www.sherkow.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers
Interesting. I'd think the number could be less than one. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Talman How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? It depends. Could be as few as one. -jc- NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers
How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? How many moving vans = 1500 motorcycles? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly? On 19 Oct 2009 13:47:18 -0700, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson, Steve) wrote: Please tell me what you consider to be malicious actions. Would suing a company and then buying them out to keep from losing the case meet your definition? Not mine.You can't buy a company that doesn't accept your bid. SNIP If the one party makes the lawsuit quite expensive for the other to defend against, and then makes an offer that will cover *all* the costs, what is the effect? BTW - Apparently this is what happened between M/S and Lindows. M/S filed complaints in more than one country. However a certain US Fed judge flatly stated that M/S could not perfect their trademark on Windows. So, M/S decided to offer Lindows enough money to buy their trademark and cover all their expenses, because it would be GREATLY to their benefit to not have a court issue a formal ruling that Windows can't be trademarked. So Lindows changed their name to LinSpire and gave up the Lindows trademark name to M/S. To continue back with IBM, the argument was raised that IBM was charging for the use of their patents in both the software and hardware charges -- something that could have caused IBM's patents to be declared NULL had the case continued (nice how those motions for summary work). So even if they won the suit itself (right to control their patents), they would have lost their patents. SNIP Would refusing to license your software on machines other than what you produce go toward malicious actions? No. It's also not malicious to have an exclusive contract with one vendor (iPhone/ATT) snip Even though, you stated on your official web site that you would license your patents... and then after the lawsuit was filed, you changed your verbiage to state that you will not? That is not what ATT did, it is what IBM did. This takes us back to the abuse of patent... SNIP Would refusing to license your software for running on a competitor's machine, when just a few months earlier you were doing that? That's closer. SNIPPAGE And that is where the prior point was, and the one before that. IBM changed the rules AFTER they went to court. And some might argue, have violated patent laws (I'm not an attorney, I just have to deal with them). So, one last thing that has not been discussed in this thread to this point (that I've read at least: Consent Degrees and the possible violation of same (new administration may be the one to argue this one, as opposed to a Republican based administration - this is a fact of life, certain lawsuits will be quashed under one administration and vigorously pursued under another). If IBM were found to be violating these... Regards, Steve Thompson -- The opinions expressed by this poster may not be the same as those of poster's employer -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Back to Work
Thanks for all the good wishes, everyone. I have to go back to class. Hopefully, I'll read the rest of my messages tonight. Eric -- Eric Bielefeld Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: Congratulations, Eric! I've spent as much as 19 months straight looking for a new job, I know how good it must feel finally getting something, even if it isn't ideal. Good luck! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Kirk Talman rkueb...@tsys.com wrote: How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? How many Kenworth rigs = 1500 motorcycles? Depends on what you're trying to do. Hint: if it's February in Minneapolis, the number is a lot smaller than if it's August. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PSF SAPI
On 10/20/2009 at 12:05 PM, in message listserv%200910201305289369.0...@bama.ua.edu, Howard Turetzky howard.turet...@infoprint.com wrote: PSF uses the JES FSI, not SAPI (Infoprint Server in Extended Mode uses SAPI). Using the Functional Subsystem, PSF can behave like a JES-managed printer. Thanks. I may have confused PSF with Infoprint Server. -- Frank Swarbrick Applications Architect - Mainframe Applications Development FirstBank Data Corporation - Lakewood, CO USA P: 303-235-1403 The information contained in this electronic communication and any document attached hereto or transmitted herewith is confidential and intended for the exclusive use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any examination, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy this communication. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers Interesting. I'd think the number could be less than one. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Talman How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? It depends. Could be as few as one. -jc- In this case, I would bet it depends on what those x86 servers are doing. If they are a Beowulf supercomputer cluster, then the z10 is NOT going to beat it. But if they are Web servers? Or even application servers? Speaking of such. The z10 is said, by IBM, to be the fastest (clock time) CISC processor. So, does that mean that a single IFL processor could outperform any single x86 (Xeon?) single threaded processor around for something which is CPU intensive, such as numeric computation? To be fair, let us assume that this computation is being done in Java by using the identical .class file. I know that isn't fair since the JVMs are not identical. But it is about as fair as I can think of. Or perhaps the same C code compiled and run on Linux using the same version of GCC. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.
Ed Finnell wrote: Lacking that, motor over to HMC and ACTIVATE CN(*)? That activates an MCS extended console. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: cpu upgrade
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: So, for a specific example, will they let you go from a T03 to a Z03, or do you have to also buy an engine and go to a Z04? Ted, on z9 and z10 you can do exactly that, T03-Z03. You can add engines or increase speed, or combination of both. All CoD offerings (On/Off CoD, CBU, CPE(z10 only)) support it. Marian Gasparovic IBM Slovakia -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Daylight Saving Time changes effect on CICS Transaction Server
1. CICS Transaction Server: Flashes Daylight Saving Time changes effect on CICS Transaction Server For many countries Daylight Saving Time (DST) changes the last Sunday in October or the first Sunday in November. You would like to understand the impact that the DST time change has on CICS Transaction Server. You would also like to know when DST will begin and end in your country, and the action that you will need to take. http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21220678myns=swgothermyn p=OCSSGMGVmync=E -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM C header files
FWIW, we do alot of C/C++ development on z/OS, and find it *much* easier to put source files and a Makefile in a zFS filesystem and then use make to build everything from a z/OS Unix shell. You can still target your load modules to a PDS or PDS/E when running the compiler and/or linker from the Unix shell. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com PS We use Eclipse with CDT as an IDE, and then use ANT FTP to upload source file deltas to z/OS HFS/zFS with one click, and then just run make from the z/OS Unix shell (preferring a ssh shell to TSO/OMVS). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
On 10/20/2009 at 2:48 PM, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote: -snip- So, one last thing that has not been discussed in this thread to this point (that I've read at least: Consent Degrees and the possible violation of same -snip- If IBM were found to be violating these... IBM has not been subject to any Consent Decrees for (probably) decades. Don't forget, IBM didn't start the fight with PSI. PSI behaved like jerks towards IBM, then got upset when IBM decided to not sell them any licenses. Oh well. Sow, reap, all that biblical stuff. Mark Post -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers
I asked because the pretty slide show linked to by the original post I replied to used that number (1500) on the 13th and last slide with no indication of scale factor or context. After 48 yrs in IT I have an appreciation for the issues raised by the replies, both explicit and implicit. I was wondering from the practical point of view. Where is the cross-over point where one considers z10 vs squatty box? on power? on space? on software licences? admin bodies? is the issue to complicated without doing a full tca/tco? This was on my mind because I have the misfortune to have inherited support of a mainframe application connected to a squatty box using custom code and a token ring conenction to the mainframe. every time it burps i get indigestion. replacing it means using smtp to replace telephony -- swapping one poisonous snake for another breed. As an aside, what is a good abbreviation for mainframe than m_f? I would like to reserve that for M$, Office and InfoPath at the moment. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 10/20/2009 02:54:30 PM: -Original Message- [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Interesting. I'd think the number could be less than one. [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chase, John -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Talman How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? It depends. Could be as few as one. In this case, I would bet it depends on what those x86 servers are doing. If they are a Beowulf supercomputer cluster, then the z10 is NOT going to beat it. But if they are Web servers? Or even application servers? Speaking of such. The z10 is said, by IBM, to be the fastest (clock time) CISC processor. So, does that mean that a single IFL processor could outperform any single x86 (Xeon?) single threaded processor around for something which is CPU intensive, such as numeric computation? To be fair, let us assume that this computation is being done in Java by using the identical .class file. I know that isn't fair since the JVMs are not identical. But it is about as fair as I can think of. Or perhaps the same C code compiled and run on Linux using the same version of GCC. John McKown - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
Mark Post wrote: IBM has not been subject to any Consent Decrees for (probably) decades. Decades??? Don't you work for IBM??? Don't all IBM employees know this history? The provisions of the consent decree were lifted in stages, over a five-year period, from 1996 through 2001. http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/press_releases/1996/0715.htm. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fwd: Is There Such a Thing as a Mainframe Monopoly?
Edward Jaffe wrote: Mark Post wrote: IBM has not been subject to any Consent Decrees for (probably) decades. Decades??? Don't you work for IBM??? Don't all IBM employees know this history? Sorry, Mark. I see you work for Novell. The provisions of the consent decree were lifted in stages, over a five-year period, from 1996 through 2001. http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/press_releases/1996/0715.htm. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM C header files
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:48:00 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: FWIW, we do alot of C/C++ development on z/OS, and find it *much* easier to put source files and a Makefile in a zFS filesystem and then use make to build everything from a z/OS Unix shell. You can still target your load modules to a PDS or PDS/E when running the compiler and/or linker from the Unix shell. And can make still correctly tell when a target is out-of-date with respect to its prerequisites? We can't control the load module. We use the Binder listing, directed to a Unix file as the target; generating the load module is a side effect. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Daylight Saving Time changes effect on CICS Transaction Server
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:02:32 -0400, Ken Porowski wrote: 1. CICS Transaction Server: Flashes Daylight Saving Time changes effect on CICS Transaction Server For many countries Daylight Saving Time (DST) changes the last Sunday in October or the first Sunday in November. You would like to understand the impact that the DST time change has on CICS Transaction Server. You would also like to know when DST will begin and end in your country, and the action that you will need to take. http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21220678myns=swgothermynp=OCSSGMGVmync=E Someone should teach those guys about UTC. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers
On 20 Oct 2009 12:55:20 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: I asked because the pretty slide show linked to by the original post I replied to used that number (1500) on the 13th and last slide with no indication of scale factor or context. After 48 yrs in IT I have an appreciation for the issues raised by the replies, both explicit and implicit. I was wondering from the practical point of view. Where is the cross-over point where one considers z10 vs squatty box? on power? on space? on software licences? admin bodies? is the issue to complicated without doing a full tca/tco? Depending on the application and the OS, an Intel quad core high end might well match a z10 quad core for all but decimal arithmetic. How many z10s would it take to run the equivalent of 1500 blades linked in a cluster running google? This was on my mind because I have the misfortune to have inherited support of a mainframe application connected to a squatty box using custom code and a token ring conenction to the mainframe. every time it burps i get indigestion. replacing it means using smtp to replace telephony -- swapping one poisonous snake for another breed. As an aside, what is a good abbreviation for mainframe than m_f? I would like to reserve that for M$, Office and InfoPath at the moment. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 10/20/2009 02:54:30 PM: -Original Message- [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Interesting. I'd think the number could be less than one. [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chase, John -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Talman How many Mainframe engines = 1500 x86 boxes? It depends. Could be as few as one. In this case, I would bet it depends on what those x86 servers are doing. If they are a Beowulf supercomputer cluster, then the z10 is NOT going to beat it. But if they are Web servers? Or even application servers? Speaking of such. The z10 is said, by IBM, to be the fastest (clock time) CISC processor. So, does that mean that a single IFL processor could outperform any single x86 (Xeon?) single threaded processor around for something which is CPU intensive, such as numeric computation? To be fair, let us assume that this computation is being done in Java by using the identical .class file. I know that isn't fair since the JVMs are not identical. But it is about as fair as I can think of. Or perhaps the same C code compiled and run on Linux using the same version of GCC. John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: wto buffer shortage and k q' cmnd no longer works.
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:17:26 -0500, David Waldman david.p.wald...@lmco.com wrote: Tuco, The 'K Q' command is no longer suported for EMCS consoles on 1.9. This is explained in the z/OS V1R9.0 MVS Planning: Operations manual. Dave, Control (K) commands have never applied to EMCS consoles as far as I know and that is because EMCS consoles are a programming interface and not real consoles. It also has to do with the queuing that is behind EMCS consoles -- it is not the same queuing that is behind MCS and SMCS consoles. EMCS queuing is data space based and involves Message Data Blocks (MDBs). MCS and SMCS queuing resides in Consoles below-the-line private and is WQE and CQE based. The Control commands understand CQEs and WQEs; they do not understand MDBs. Now it is true that prior to the z/OS R4 Console Restructure that messages would pass through the MCS and SMCS queues on their way to the EMCS queues. If the MCS and SMCS queues got backed up, that also affected messages going to the EMCS queues. In that case, K Q commands issued against MCS or SMCS consoles might unclog the MCS and SMCS queues sufficiently that messages would again flow to the EMCS queues, but this was a side-effect of clearing the MCS and/or SMCS console queues, nothing more. With the z/OS R4 Console Restructure, the message flow was drastically altered -- all messages flow into the Console Message Cache data space and from that messages are pulled by three queuing tasks that queue messages to all of the EMCS queues. There are several special EMCS queues -- one of which receives all of the messages destined for all of the MCS and SMCS consoles. Messages in that special EMCS queue are extracted, converted from MDBs into WQEs and then inserted into the traditional WQE/CQE based MCS and SMCS console queues, which still exist in below-the-line Console private. The Control (K) commands still apply to those queues, but because EMCS queuing occurs prior to queuing to the MCS and SMCS consoles, K Q commands no longer affect messages going to the EMCS queues. As I said earlier, use of the K Q command prior to the Console Restructure had the side-effect of sometimes getting messages flowing again to EMCS consoles, but the K Q command was never modified to specifically manipulate EMCS queues. Because EMCS and SYSLOG traffic no longer pass through the MCS and SMCS message queues, console buffer shortages should be less common. Also, by splitting the EMCS and SYSLOG traffic out of the message path earlier, EMCS consoles and SYSLOG (OPERLOG too) will continue to operate even if a buffer shortage has affected MCS and SMCS consoles. In the past, EMCS and SYSLOG died along with the MCS and SMCS consoles. If you are seeing console buffer shortage conditions within EMCS, it is usually caused by one of two things: messages are not being removed from the EMCS data space as rapidly as they are being queued, or perhaps the data space was sized too small to handle fluctuations in message rates. Now it is certainly the case that message floods can overwhelm EMCS consoles just as they do MCS and SMCS consoles (although not as easily). You are using MPF to suppress a lot of your message traffic I hope? And you have implemented Message Flood Automation to handle message floods, right? W. Kevin Kelley -- IBM POK Lab -- z/OS Core Technical Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers
Um, the 13-slide show left me waiting for the information to start. I found it gossamer-thin, so lite that I believe it would struggle even to get into an airline magazine. take care all, Graeme At 02:51 AM 20/10/2009, you wrote: Fairly nice article. Rather nicely balanced about the pluses of either environment. It's a slide show. http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/Big-Iron-Mainframes-Versus-x86-Servers-What-You-Need-to-Know-332020/?kc=EWKNLEDP08202009A John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
David M Briars is out of the office.
I will be out of the office starting October 20, 2009 and will not return until October 26, 2009. I will respond to your message when I return. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Looking for a job
Hello All, I never quite found a good mainframe jobs website, so I am trying this route. I am currently looking for a full time Mainframe System Programmer job in New York/New jersey, San Jose, Dallas area. I am open to other locations. I have about 10+ years of experience in Mainframes. My current shop has started to migrate off the mainframe platform and its getting depressing working in that environment. More info can be exchanged via email(reachme...@gmail.com) Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Looking for a job
I suggest looking at indeed.com, as they are just a google-esque index of various other job sites. Scott On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Reach Me reachme...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, I never quite found a good mainframe jobs website, so I am trying this route. I am currently looking for a full time Mainframe System Programmer job in New York/New jersey, San Jose, Dallas area. I am open to other locations. I have about 10+ years of experience in Mainframes. My current shop has started to migrate off the mainframe platform and its getting depressing working in that environment. More info can be exchanged via email(reachme...@gmail.com) Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
