AW: WLM : multiple periods not recommended for batch - why?
Hi Andrew, they are old fashioned since most customers don't need them. This is nothing you will find in a book clearly stated but that's my truth :-). Let me try to explain why. Most customers (I do WLM optimization - and cost reduction-projects in Germany and Switzerland) have most of their batch workload running during night. And, most of the jobs (from the MSU consumption perspective) are running in one Serviceclass. Hence it makes no sense to have x periods because you have very less MSU consumption in other, higher Serviceclasses. WLM has nothing to prioritize between several Serviceclasses. 2 Periods only make sense in TSO in my eyes for example. The same is true during day there you have your online workload which is and should be higher prioritized. If you Online goals are right your Batch will get less CPU or no CPU it depends. Hope this helps you. Regards, Uwe -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] Im Auftrag von Andrew Rowley Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2012 13:39 An: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Betreff: WLM : multiple periods not recommended for batch - why? Hi, I have read a few articles that say that multiple periods are not recommended for batch service classes. Multiple periods seems to be considered a bit old fashioned. I haven't been able to find anything clearly explaining why. I have always felt that they worked well. My best guess is that it is something to do with the behaviour of WLM managed initiators but I'm not sure. Can anyone shed any light, or point me to some further reading? Thanks Andrew Rowley -- Andrew Rowley Black Hill Software Pty. Ltd. Phone: +61 413 302 386 EasySMF for z/OS: Interactive SMF Reports on Your PC http://www.smfreports.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem
Hi I have received the UA59435 JES2 toleration PTF , but for the APPLY check I got GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA59435 BECAUSE IT HAS NO APPLICABLE ++VER MCS. Maybe somebody has seen this ? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem
If I am not wrong, it is because of using PTF for wrong version of z/OS , which is not applicable. Please check, if UA59435 is created for the z/OS version you are using. Regards Saurabh On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Hi I have received the UA59435 JES2 toleration PTF , but for the APPLY check I got GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA59435 BECAUSE IT HAS NO APPLICABLE ++VER MCS. Maybe somebody has seen this ? --**--**-- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Thanks Regards Saurabh Khandelwal -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem
- Original Message - From: Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA59435 BECAUSE IT HAS NO APPLICABLE ++VER MCS. looks like the PTF has been applied in the wrong zone. Are you sure you choose the right JES zone ? Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem
Hi Thank you, it was not in the selected target, but in another. O.k now, but how can I copy an FMID from one target to another ? On 02.05.2012 11:16, Walter Marguccio wrote: - Original Message - From: Miklos Szigetvarimiklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA59435 BECAUSE IT HAS NO APPLICABLE ++VER MCS. looks like the PTF has been applied in the wrong zone. Are you sure you choose the right JES zone ? Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem
On Wed, 2 May 2012 14:41:51 +0530, saurabh khandelwal wrote: If I am not wrong, it is because of using PTF for wrong version of z/OS , which is not applicable. BTDT. It's somewhat irritating that when this happens SMP/E does not list the ++VER MCS appearing in the SYSMOD as an aid to diagnosis. (Listing also the FMIDs in the zone might be unduly verbose.) On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA59435 BECAUSE IT HAS NO APPLICABLE ++VER MCS. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=plugable_multiseat_kicknum=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a server PC with other PCs connected as clients, but just one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AW: WLM : multiple periods not recommended for batch - why?
On 2/05/2012 6:01 PM, Uwe Oswald wrote: Hi Andrew, they are old fashioned since most customers don't need them. This is nothing you will find in a book clearly stated but that's my truth :-). Let me try to explain why. Most customers (I do WLM optimization - and cost reduction-projects in Germany and Switzerland) have most of their batch workload running during night. And, most of the jobs (from the MSU consumption perspective) are running in one Serviceclass. Hence it makes no sense to have x periods because you have very less MSU consumption in other, higher Serviceclasses. WLM has nothing to prioritize between several Serviceclasses. 2 Periods only make sense in TSO in my eyes for example. The same is true during day there you have your online workload which is and should be higher prioritized. If you Online goals are right your Batch will get less CPU or no CPU it depends. Hope this helps you. Regards, Uwe Hi Uwe, I suppose different sites run different types of batch work. At the sites I have worked at, there was a significant amount of batch that ran during the day (mostly user submitted ad-hoc stuff) as well as the overnight batch. Maybe that is also old fashioned :-) I had an interesting experience many years ago (pre WLM managed initiators) when I did a WLM conversion. The site had overnight batch which all ran in one service class. For various reasons, after the conversion we changed that service class to have 2 periods - first period with a response time goal, second period discretionary. Unexpectedly, the elapsed time for the overnight batch reduced about 20%. I don't have a good explanation. My theory is that the first period allowed the short running jobs to finish faster, then the long running stuff benefited from fewer context switches. Either that or there was a big benefit from MTTW in discretionary. SMF 113 records would have been interesting if they had existed then. In any case I still have the feeling that batch running in a single service class, without much competition for resources might benefit from multiple periods. The idea is to move the short jobs through quickly, reducing the number of jobs running simultaneously. Regards Andrew Rowley -- Andrew Rowley Black Hill Software Pty. Ltd. Phone: +61 413 302 386 EasySMF for z/OS: Interactive SMF Reports on Your PC http://www.smfreports.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
On Wed, 2 May 2012 07:00:37 -0500, McKown, John wrote: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=plugable_multiseat_kicknum=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a server PC with other PCs connected as clients, but just one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). Ah! The complement to the KVM switch! But it probably has the client PC embedded in the USB plug. I wonder what OS it runs? Is there an X11 server either in the USB plug or in the DisplayLink monitor? Does it need a driver? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: WLM : multiple periods not recommended for batch - why?
On Tue, 1 May 2012 22:06:55 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: In our case, production batch varies from seconds to hours That was my case too. It was several years ago that I was in a shop where I had primary responsibility for performance, but what I found there is that: During the day, most of the production jobs were shorter duration, with the longest running jobs being run at night There was very little non-production work at night During the day, CICS was the most critical and there was a lot of development batch and TSO work Even at night, about as many jobs were of short duration as long duration jobs. At night, there was little competition for resources. For my shop I set a goal for production of 50% complete in 30 minutes. I did that after some analysis of the production jobs that run over a period of time and found that about half of the production jobs run in under 30 minutes. By using a percentile goal like this, WLM gave priority to production over non-production. This works because WLM manages the service class, not individual jobs. For example, when WLM changes the dispatching priority of a service class, every job in the service class is set to the same DP. As long as the arrival rate of shorter work is high enough, the longer running jobs go along for the ride. Most non-production batch was in discretionary. I was using WLM managed initiators for almost everything, which helped the performance of everything because it kept the system from being over-initiated. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem
- Original Message - From: Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com O.k now, but how can I copy an FMID from one target to another ? Miklos, what do you want to accomplish, exactly ? Why would you want to copy an FMID from one target zone to another ? Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
Doesn't really say __how__ it works internally. The author simply says that, on Fedora 17, it is truly plug and play. He plugged it into a PC running Fedora and he immediately saw a GDM login screen. He said performance was generally good, except for some HD video from YouTube. This is a Kickstart project, which means it isn't ready yet. From the Kickstart page, it implies this is an all hardware solution using ASICs. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1666707630/plugable-thin-client-the-50-computer -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting On Wed, 2 May 2012 07:00:37 -0500, McKown, John wrote: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=plugable_mu ltiseat_kicknum=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a server PC with other PCs connected as clients, but just one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). Ah! The complement to the KVM switch! But it probably has the client PC embedded in the USB plug. I wonder what OS it runs? Is there an X11 server either in the USB plug or in the DisplayLink monitor? Does it need a driver? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zOS under zVM
Mark, Here's my doc on the subject... Mary Anne Differences b/w running native LPAR and running as a z/VM guest In a single system: The only issue Im aware of is some strangeness with your performance monitors. In a SYSPLEX: --A new CFRM policy is required, specifying SIMDEV for the coupling facility: CF NAME(CFCC1 TYPE(SIMDEV) MFG(IBM) PLANT(EN) SEQUENCE(000CFCC1) PARTITION(0) CPCID(00) DUMPSPACE(2000) Type Number (TYPE) - SIMDEV specifies that this is a z/VM simulated message device type. Manufacturer (MFG) - IBM® indicates IBM as the manufacturer. Plant (PLANT) - EN indicates Endicott as the manufacturing plant. Sequence # (SEQUENCE) - The 12-byte field will contain the CF Service Machine user IDright justified. Pad all leading unused characters with EBCDIC zeros. For example, if a CF Service Machine of CFCC1 is specified, SEQUENCE is 000CFCC1. Your DR provider may have a different CF name. --A different CLOCKxx member may be needed specifying SIMETRID: TIMEZONE W.04.00.00 ETRMODE YES ETRDELTA 10 ETRZONE YES SIMETRID 00 --Possible CFSizing needed: If you are on a processor that has a lower level of CF Code, you may need to resize your structures. For example, if your DR provider has a z10 (CFLEVEL 16) and you are running on a z9 (CFLEVEL 15), you may need to increase the storage size of the CF. It's been many, many years since we've run our sysplex under zVM. Our next DR exercise will be hosted in a VM environment and I'm looking for any environmental setup concerns that I need to consider. I know that we'll have to change LOADxx, but I'm unsure about anything else. Any advice on what I have to do would be greatly appreciated. Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem
Hi On 02.05.2012 14:59, Walter Marguccio wrote: - Original Message - From: Miklos Szigetvarimiklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com O.k now, but how can I copy an FMID from one target to another ? Miklos, what do you want to accomplish, exactly ? Why would you want to copy an FMID from one target zone to another ? I think it is in the wrong place Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem
Hi I have received the UA59435 JES2 toleration PTF , but for the APPLY check I got GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA59435 BECAUSE IT HAS NO APPLICABLE ++VER MCS. Maybe somebody has seen this ? Typically this means that version of the software (JES2 in this case) is not in the zone. The PTF UA59435 only applies to the following * USERS AFFECTED: All users of HJE7750, HJE7760, and HJE7770 * * who plan to run an HJE7780 version of JES2 * * in the same MAS If one of these FMIDs is not in your target zone then it is you probably do not need to install this fix. If you want this particular fix, then you need to find the correct version of this ptf for your level of JES2. Can you search IBMLINK to see which version would apply to your system? If the fix is for different versions of JES2 then there will be different versions of the same PTF. You just need to find the one that matches your environment. If you do not find a PTF for your version of JES2 then you either cannot install this type of fix/toleration or it is not needed. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zOS under zVM
Thanks for confirming my own research on the subject. Regards, Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Mary Anne Matyaz [maryanne4...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zOS under zVM Mark, Here's my doc on the subject... Mary Anne Differences b/w running native LPAR and running as a z/VM guest In a single system: The only issue I’m aware of is some strangeness with your performance monitors. In a SYSPLEX: --A new CFRM policy is required, specifying SIMDEV for the coupling facility: CF NAME(CFCC1 TYPE(SIMDEV) MFG(IBM) PLANT(EN) SEQUENCE(000CFCC1) PARTITION(0) CPCID(00) DUMPSPACE(2000) Type Number (TYPE) - SIMDEV specifies that this is a z/VM simulated message device type. Manufacturer (MFG) - IBM® indicates IBM as the manufacturer. Plant (PLANT) - EN indicates Endicott as the manufacturing plant. Sequence # (SEQUENCE) - The 12-byte field will contain the CF Service Machine user IDright justified. Pad all leading unused characters with EBCDIC zeros. For example, if a CF Service Machine of CFCC1 is specified, SEQUENCE is 000CFCC1. Your DR provider may have a different CF name. --A different CLOCKxx member may be needed specifying SIMETRID: TIMEZONE W.04.00.00 ETRMODE YES ETRDELTA 10 ETRZONE YES SIMETRID 00 --Possible CFSizing needed: If you are on a processor that has a lower level of CF Code, you may need to resize your structures. For example, if your DR provider has a z10 (CFLEVEL 16) and you are running on a z9 (CFLEVEL 15), you may need to increase the storage size of the CF. It's been many, many years since we've run our sysplex under zVM. Our next DR exercise will be hosted in a VM environment and I'm looking for any environmental setup concerns that I need to consider. I know that we'll have to change LOADxx, but I'm unsure about anything else. Any advice on what I have to do would be greatly appreciated. Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: WLM : multiple periods not recommended for batch - why?
Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:2739094540663537.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@bama.ua.edu... On Tue, 1 May 2012 22:06:55 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: In our case, production batch varies from seconds to hours That was my case too. It was several years ago that I was in a shop where I had primary responsibility for performance, but what I found there is that: During the day, most of the production jobs were shorter duration, with the longest running jobs being run at night There was very little non-production work at night During the day, CICS was the most critical and there was a lot of development batch and TSO work Even at night, about as many jobs were of short duration as long duration jobs. At night, there was little competition for resources. For my shop I set a goal for production of 50% complete in 30 minutes. I did that after some analysis of the production jobs that run over a period of time and found that about half of the production jobs run in under 30 minutes. By using a percentile goal like this, WLM gave priority to production over non-production. This works because WLM manages the service class, not individual jobs. For example, when WLM changes the dispatching priority of a service class, every job in the service class is set to the same DP. Are you sure, under what circumstances? I don't see this in my SC's (be it with Velocity). Kees. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Java PTF Packaging Error Deletes the Java SDK With RC=0! (See APAR IV05507)
On Tue, 1 May 2012 21:35:52 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com wrote: At 16:30 -0500 on 05/01/2012, Mark Zelden wrote about Re: Java PTF Packaging Error Deletes the Java SDK With RC=0: It's just extra work and space for managing a PTF that replaces the entire product / unix file system contents with each apply. I don't need SMP/E to keep track of that for me. While I can see your viewpoint, using SMP/E to handle the install, DOES document the PTF Level and insure that you have all the needed/indicated maintenance that the main PTF indicates as required. Almost all the Java requirements I read about talk about specific JVMs and SR levels. The PTF that go along with that may or may not be listed. I'm talking about from vendors other than IBM, but even IBM doc (including when WebSphere didn't distribute its own JVM) talks about SR levels more than PTFs. For example, CA-MSM Release V4.1 lists the following requirements: Your system has IBM Java SDK for z/OS: #9632; Java 6.0, build 2.4, at maintenance level SR8 (31-bit only) #9632; Java 6.0, build 2.4, at maintenance level SR9 (31-bit or 64-bit) #9632; Java 6.0, build 2.6, base build (31-bit or 64-bit) Note: Java 6.0, build 2.6 is the equivalent of IBM Java 6.0.1. java -version tells me the SR level, so I know what I'm running. Prior to WAS distributing the JVM with the product, I had to upgrade Java all the time to specific levels (the WAS team installs that part). At the time I was doing it often enough that it just didn't seem worth the extra trouble / space / time and didn't provide me any extra tracking of the level. I'm not saying you, Ed or anyone else shouldn't install Java using SMP/E. I'm just saying I personally don't see a benefit. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zOS under zVM
I did not see this mentioned, but, if you use BCPII, it will not be available in your Guest: HWI010I BCPII DOES NOT OPERATE ON A VM GUEST. BCPII INITIALIZATION IS HALTED. If you use BCPII for critical processes you may need a rethink. Thanks for confirming my own research on the subject. Regards, Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Mary Anne Matyaz [maryanne4...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zOS under zVM Mark, Here's my doc on the subject... Mary Anne Differences b/w running native LPAR and running as a z/VM guest In a single system: The only issue I’m aware of is some strangeness with your performance monitors. In a SYSPLEX: --A new CFRM policy is required, specifying SIMDEV for the coupling facility: CF NAME(CFCC1 TYPE(SIMDEV) MFG(IBM) PLANT(EN) SEQUENCE(000CFCC1) PARTITION(0) CPCID(00) DUMPSPACE(2000) Type Number (TYPE) - SIMDEV specifies that this is a z/VM simulated message device type. Manufacturer (MFG) - IBM® indicates IBM as the manufacturer. Plant (PLANT) - EN indicates Endicott as the manufacturing plant. Sequence # (SEQUENCE) - The 12-byte field will contain the CF Service Machine user IDright justified. Pad all leading unused characters with EBCDIC zeros. For example, if a CF Service Machine of CFCC1 is specified, SEQUENCE is 000CFCC1. Your DR provider may have a different CF name. --A different CLOCKxx member may be needed specifying SIMETRID: TIMEZONE W.04.00.00 ETRMODE YES ETRDELTA 10 ETRZONE YES SIMETRID 00 --Possible CFSizing needed: If you are on a processor that has a lower level of CF Code, you may need to resize your structures. For example, if your DR provider has a z10 (CFLEVEL 16) and you are running on a z9 (CFLEVEL 15), you may need to increase the storage size of the CF. It's been many, many years since we've run our sysplex under zVM. Our next DR exercise will be hosted in a VM environment and I'm looking for any environmental setup concerns that I need to consider. I know that we'll have to change LOADxx, but I'm unsure about anything else. Any advice on what I have to do would be greatly appreciated. Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Java PTF Packaging Error Deletes the Java SDK With RC=0! (See APAR IV05507)
I'm not saying you, Ed or anyone else shouldn't install Java using SMP/E. I'm just saying I personally don't see a benefit. We support all of the supported Java versions and addressing modes. We just download the code from IBM and don't bother installing with SMPE. For everything else I'm a believer in SMPE, but for Java in our environment it isn't worth the effort Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem
Hi Thank you for the reply. We have HJE7770 , but for some reason several target zones, and the FMID is not in the traget zone, I tought to be the active one. I think it was a missunderstanding between me and the guy from the IBM who installed z/OS 1.12. After applying in the correct zone, the two JES works happily together. But now not the ZFS, but it is another story. On 02.05.2012 15:14, Lizette Koehler wrote: Hi I have received the UA59435 JES2 toleration PTF , but for the APPLY check I got GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA59435 BECAUSE IT HAS NO APPLICABLE ++VER MCS. Maybe somebody has seen this ? Typically this means that version of the software (JES2 in this case) is not in the zone. The PTF UA59435 only applies to the following * USERS AFFECTED: All users of HJE7750, HJE7760, and HJE7770 * * who plan to run an HJE7780 version of JES2 * * in the same MAS If one of these FMIDs is not in your target zone then it is you probably do not need to install this fix. If you want this particular fix, then you need to find the correct version of this ptf for your level of JES2. Can you search IBMLINK to see which version would apply to your system? If the fix is for different versions of JES2 then there will be different versions of the same PTF. You just need to find the one that matches your environment. If you do not find a PTF for your version of JES2 then you either cannot install this type of fix/toleration or it is not needed. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zOS under zVM
We don't, yet. It's only used for XCF sysplex partitioning activities. I'll keep it in mind, but I'm not going to worry about it for a DR test. Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Gary DiPillo [gdipi...@axiosproducts.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zOS under zVM I did not see this mentioned, but, if you use BCPII, it will not be available in your Guest: HWI010I BCPII DOES NOT OPERATE ON A VM GUEST. BCPII INITIALIZATION IS HALTED. If you use BCPII for critical processes you may need a rethink. Thanks for confirming my own research on the subject. Regards, Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Mary Anne Matyaz [maryanne4...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zOS under zVM Mark, Here's my doc on the subject... Mary Anne Differences b/w running native LPAR and running as a z/VM guest In a single system: The only issue I’m aware of is some strangeness with your performance monitors. In a SYSPLEX: --A new CFRM policy is required, specifying SIMDEV for the coupling facility: CF NAME(CFCC1 TYPE(SIMDEV) MFG(IBM) PLANT(EN) SEQUENCE(000CFCC1) PARTITION(0) CPCID(00) DUMPSPACE(2000) Type Number (TYPE) - SIMDEV specifies that this is a z/VM simulated message device type. Manufacturer (MFG) - IBM® indicates IBM as the manufacturer. Plant (PLANT) - EN indicates Endicott as the manufacturing plant. Sequence # (SEQUENCE) - The 12-byte field will contain the CF Service Machine user IDright justified. Pad all leading unused characters with EBCDIC zeros. For example, if a CF Service Machine of CFCC1 is specified, SEQUENCE is 000CFCC1. Your DR provider may have a different CF name. --A different CLOCKxx member may be needed specifying SIMETRID: TIMEZONE W.04.00.00 ETRMODE YES ETRDELTA 10 ETRZONE YES SIMETRID 00 --Possible CFSizing needed: If you are on a processor that has a lower level of CF Code, you may need to resize your structures. For example, if your DR provider has a z10 (CFLEVEL 16) and you are running on a z9 (CFLEVEL 15), you may need to increase the storage size of the CF. It's been many, many years since we've run our sysplex under zVM. Our next DR exercise will be hosted in a VM environment and I'm looking for any environmental setup concerns that I need to consider. I know that we'll have to change LOADxx, but I'm unsure about anything else. Any advice on what I have to do would be greatly appreciated. Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) writes: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=plugable_multiseat_kicknum=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a server PC with other PCs connected as clients, but just one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). cp67 (ran on 360/67) delivered to the univ. jan1968 had support for 2741 (selectric typewriter with computer/rs-232 interface) and 1052 (sort of like 360 1052-7 operators console with rs-232 interface) terminals. the univ. had ascii/tty terminals ... so I added tty/ascii terminal support. the 2741/1052 support did games with switching terminal controller SAD command ... associated terminal specific line-scanner with each port/line ... so I added tty/ascii support in similar manner. I had wanted to have single dial-up number (hunt group) for all dial-up terminals ... but ibm terminal controller had taken short-cut ... while it was possible to change line-scanner, the line-speed was hard-wired for each port/line ... 27411052 operated at same line-speed, but tty/ascii was different speed. this somewhat was motivation for univ. to start clone controller project, reverse engineered 360 channel interface and build channel interface board for Interdata/3 programmed to emulate ibm terminal controller (but also supporting dynamic line-speed). Interdata then takes the implementation and markets as clone controller; Perken-Elmer then buys Interdata and continues to market under their own brand (30 yrs later ran across one in large east coast datacenter handling large percentage of point-of-sale dial-up terminals in the US). There is some write-up blaming four of us for (some part of) IBM clone controller business. past posts mentioning clone controller http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#360pcm This claims a major motivation for the Future System effort was clone controller business. There is also some implication that major design criteria for SNA was tight integration between NCPVTAM ... a continuation of the FS goals: http://www.ecole.org/Crisis_and_change_1995_1.htm And then Ferguson Morris book, Computer Wars: The Post-IBM World, Time Books, 1993, mention that distraction of Future System and killing off work on 370 products ... and then after Future System imploded and delays in getting 370 efforts restarted, allowed clone processors to gain market foothold. before there was ms/dos there was seattle computer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS before seattle computer there was cp/m, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products before there was cp/m there was cp67/cms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M kildall worked on cp67/cms at npg (gone 404, but lives on at the wayback machine) http://web.archive.org/web/20071011100440/http://www.khet.net/gmc/docs/museum/en_cpmName.html npg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Postgraduate_School cp67/cms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/CMS there is also folklore that person that did mp/m-80 had done a lot of work on cp67/cms -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: WLM : multiple periods not recommended for batch - why?
On Wed, 2 May 2012 15:26:54 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:2739094540663537.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@bama.ua.edu... WLM manages the service class, not individual jobs. For example, when WLM changes the dispatching priority of a service class, every job in the service class is set to the same DP. Are you sure, under what circumstances? I don't see this in my SC's (be it with Velocity). I should have written service class period. Yes, I'm pretty sure, but if I'm wrong I hope to be corrected. This does not apply, for example to CICS address spaces that are managed with transaction goals. There may be other exceptions that I am not aware of. AFAIK this is the same for velocity goals and response time goals for address spaces that are not recognized as server address spaces by WLM. What do you see in your service classes? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zOS under zVM
Mark, Are you going to a hosting DR recovery site , I.e.; Sungard .. If so, they also usually are pretty good to help out.. Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On May 2, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com wrote: We don't, yet. It's only used for XCF sysplex partitioning activities. I'll keep it in mind, but I'm not going to worry about it for a DR test. Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Gary DiPillo [gdipi...@axiosproducts.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zOS under zVM I did not see this mentioned, but, if you use BCPII, it will not be available in your Guest: HWI010I BCPII DOES NOT OPERATE ON A VM GUEST. BCPII INITIALIZATION IS HALTED. If you use BCPII for critical processes you may need a rethink. Thanks for confirming my own research on the subject. Regards, Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Mary Anne Matyaz [maryanne4...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zOS under zVM Mark, Here's my doc on the subject... Mary Anne Differences b/w running native LPAR and running as a z/VM guest In a single system: The only issue I’m aware of is some strangeness with your performance monitors. In a SYSPLEX: --A new CFRM policy is required, specifying SIMDEV for the coupling facility: CF NAME(CFCC1 TYPE(SIMDEV) MFG(IBM) PLANT(EN) SEQUENCE(000CFCC1) PARTITION(0) CPCID(00) DUMPSPACE(2000) Type Number (TYPE) - SIMDEV specifies that this is a z/VM simulated message device type. Manufacturer (MFG) - IBM® indicates IBM as the manufacturer. Plant (PLANT) - EN indicates Endicott as the manufacturing plant. Sequence # (SEQUENCE) - The 12-byte field will contain the CF Service Machine user IDright justified. Pad all leading unused characters with EBCDIC zeros. For example, if a CF Service Machine of CFCC1 is specified, SEQUENCE is 000CFCC1. Your DR provider may have a different CF name. --A different CLOCKxx member may be needed specifying SIMETRID: TIMEZONE W.04.00.00 ETRMODE YES ETRDELTA 10 ETRZONE YES SIMETRID 00 --Possible CFSizing needed: If you are on a processor that has a lower level of CF Code, you may need to resize your structures. For example, if your DR provider has a z10 (CFLEVEL 16) and you are running on a z9 (CFLEVEL 15), you may need to increase the storage size of the CF. It's been many, many years since we've run our sysplex under zVM. Our next DR exercise will be hosted in a VM environment and I'm looking for any environmental setup concerns that I need to consider. I know that we'll have to change LOADxx, but I'm unsure about anything else. Any advice on what I have to do would be greatly appreciated. Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zOS under zVM
Yes. We've asked them for any FAQ documentation that they might have for setup activities. Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Scott Ford [scott_j_f...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zOS under zVM Mark, Are you going to a hosting DR recovery site , I.e.; Sungard .. If so, they also usually are pretty good to help out.. Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On May 2, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com wrote: We don't, yet. It's only used for XCF sysplex partitioning activities. I'll keep it in mind, but I'm not going to worry about it for a DR test. Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Gary DiPillo [gdipi...@axiosproducts.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zOS under zVM I did not see this mentioned, but, if you use BCPII, it will not be available in your Guest: HWI010I BCPII DOES NOT OPERATE ON A VM GUEST. BCPII INITIALIZATION IS HALTED. If you use BCPII for critical processes you may need a rethink. Thanks for confirming my own research on the subject. Regards, Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Mary Anne Matyaz [maryanne4...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zOS under zVM Mark, Here's my doc on the subject... Mary Anne Differences b/w running native LPAR and running as a z/VM guest In a single system: The only issue I’m aware of is some strangeness with your performance monitors. In a SYSPLEX: --A new CFRM policy is required, specifying SIMDEV for the coupling facility: CF NAME(CFCC1 TYPE(SIMDEV) MFG(IBM) PLANT(EN) SEQUENCE(000CFCC1) PARTITION(0) CPCID(00) DUMPSPACE(2000) Type Number (TYPE) - SIMDEV specifies that this is a z/VM simulated message device type. Manufacturer (MFG) - IBM® indicates IBM as the manufacturer. Plant (PLANT) - EN indicates Endicott as the manufacturing plant. Sequence # (SEQUENCE) - The 12-byte field will contain the CF Service Machine user IDright justified. Pad all leading unused characters with EBCDIC zeros. For example, if a CF Service Machine of CFCC1 is specified, SEQUENCE is 000CFCC1. Your DR provider may have a different CF name. --A different CLOCKxx member may be needed specifying SIMETRID: TIMEZONE W.04.00.00 ETRMODE YES ETRDELTA 10 ETRZONE YES SIMETRID 00 --Possible CFSizing needed: If you are on a processor that has a lower level of CF Code, you may need to resize your structures. For example, if your DR provider has a z10 (CFLEVEL 16) and you are running on a z9 (CFLEVEL 15), you may need to increase the storage size of the CF. It's been many, many years since we've run our sysplex under zVM. Our next DR exercise will be hosted in a VM environment and I'm looking for any environmental setup concerns that I need to consider. I know that we'll have to change LOADxx, but I'm unsure about anything else. Any advice on what I have to do would be greatly appreciated. Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules
Watch for possible URL truncation as it gets wrapped http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9226783/Programming_languages_can_t_have_copyright_protection_EU_court_rules Thanks, Mark Regan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
AIX support
Hi, I would be interested in having an off-line discussion with customers who have responsibility for AIX support. I am especially interested in your experiences using phone support versus electronic support and if you have paid to have an IBM account advocate. Not in my portfolio but I now have a peer in the same management chain who owns AIX and they do not seem to have the quality of support we enjoy. On z we normally do our own triage and go to the Level-2 component opening PMR's electronically. I hear from the AIX folks that the response to queued problems weather opened electronic or by phone is not as robust or timely. They need to pay for an account advocate to get moved to the front of long queues and get better level-1 support. This is an adjacent to IBM mainframes and z/OS in many shops so please pardon the post but I am hoping to get answers from folks who have a broader perspective than just Power AIX. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO System z Team Leader mailto:sknut...@geico.com mailto:sknut...@geico.com (office) 301.986.3574 (cell) 301.996.1318 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Wed, 2 May 2012 07:00:37 -0500, McKown, John wrote: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=plugable_multiseat_kicknum=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a server PC with other PCs connected as clients, but just one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). Ah! The complement to the KVM switch! But it probably has the client PC embedded in the USB plug. I wonder what OS it runs? Is there an X11 server either in the USB plug or in the DisplayLink monitor? Does it need a driver? I would use either X11 or RDP/VNC. And just recently I have learned about Wayland, which is to be alternative to X, because X is too complicated (which doesn't mean Wayland stays simple over long time). Actually, I would consider using some cheap netbooted laptop(s), because I don't have to care about Windows drivers :-). And to run X-server with non-demanding 2D apps, I think 64MB of ram is much more than sufficient (nowadays, it will be a bit hard to find machine with this low mem). Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did rm -rif on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Jes2 HASX32A - No active USING for operand JCTJCLAS
I looked at member HASX32A in my z/OS 1.10 library, and there are only has 2 references to JCLJCLAS: CLI JCTJCLAS,C'C' JOB CLASS C... 0308 CLI JCTJCLAS,C'D' JOB CLASS D... 0310 I suspect that someone applied a local modification to your source library. Hopefully the original IBM code is still in the DLIB (AHASSAMP) so you will be able to figure out what they were trying to do. Good Luck! -jack - Original Message - From: Alvaro Quintupray B. aquin...@bancoestado.cl Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Jes2 HASX32A - No active USING for operand JCTJCLAS Hi, I was trying compiling the original Jes2 HASX32A ( ZOS 1.10 ) without modifies and I got the following message ** ASMA307E No active USING for operand JCTJCLAS in the statement MVI JCTJCLAS,C'S'. . . Why happened this, if is the original source code from SYS1.SHASSAMP . . .? If someone can help me . . .? Thanks. Regards. Alvaro. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
How to limit HRECALLs by USER request
I have not seen a good answer on this, so I thought I would throw this out. We have on occasion users submit 1000's of recalls at one time. They use a variety of processes from TSO Batch HRECALL to a REXX process. Of course this can impact other users who are looking to just get one or two datasets back. Other than writing an exit, is there any simple approach to prevent user's from submitting more than X recalls at one time? Or a way to ensure that any recalls submitted are grouped together by migration tape? For example, if I submit 100 recalls that will actually need 40 different migration tapes. Is there any way to get DFHSM to force the recalls to be done by migration volume rather than FIFO? We are z/OS V1.12 and are using CRQ processing in DFHSM. thanks for any insights Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
John, I didn't think anyone remembered MP/M-80, let alone what it did! Back in the 80's, I put together MP/M-80 machines and wrote application software for them. We benchmarked our 7-8 user systems and ran better than any DEC multi user system. We were even the first Iomega customer and designed a board to allow their 8 cartridge to work as a high capacity (10M) storage device. Ah, the old days. How fun was that? My, we've come a long, long way in 25 years. Robert -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=plugable_multiseat_kicknum=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a server PC with other PCs connected as clients, but just one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: old tapes and nostalgia
Bob, please post this information on the Hercules-390 Yahoo group. (You can subscribe to the list without joining Yahoo; contact me offlist if you need more info.) There is also a specific Hercules-OS360 group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-os360/. The reference cards can be scanned and posted to Bitsavers. There are people who can read the tapes, including the Computer History Museum. As an example, a late 1980s version of the Michigan Terminal System has been recovered from tape and is now available to run under Hercules, and a 1990s version is eventually coming once user-specific data is cleaned up. As time progresses, information is lost. The Hercules folks are still looking for an OS/VS1 that does not have BPE in it (license issues). Cheers, Ray On 2012-05-01 16:04, Bob Wilhelm wrote: I find myself in possession of some old IBM tapes. Of no use to me, but maybe someone has reel tape drives (ie, not cart). All have labels of 9T, 1600bpi density. 1) Scientific Subroutine Package, V3M0, dated 9-19-74. 2) OS360, Rel 21.8, dated 10-08-74. 3) OS360, Rel 21.8, dated 3-25-76. May not even be readable, but if you'd care to try, let me know. (I was thinking Hercules Project or some such.) I also have a collection of old and assorted reference cards collected over the last 32 years, but those are not likely to have any value, either. Missing the good old days, I guess. -- M. Ray Mullins Roseville, CA, USA http://www.catherdersoftware.com/ German is essentially a form of assembly language consisting entirely of far calls heavily accented with throaty guttural sounds. ---ilvi French is essentially German with messed-up pronunciation and spelling. --Robert B Wilson English is essentially French converted to 7-bit ASCII. ---Christophe Pierret [for Alain LaBonté] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request
HSM's CRQ(Common Recall Queue) groups recalls by tape and gives the ability to assign priority to recalls. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request I have not seen a good answer on this, so I thought I would throw this out. We have on occasion users submit 1000's of recalls at one time. They use a variety of processes from TSO Batch HRECALL to a REXX process. Of course this can impact other users who are looking to just get one or two datasets back. Other than writing an exit, is there any simple approach to prevent user's from submitting more than X recalls at one time? Or a way to ensure that any recalls submitted are grouped together by migration tape? For example, if I submit 100 recalls that will actually need 40 different migration tapes. Is there any way to get DFHSM to force the recalls to be done by migration volume rather than FIFO? We are z/OS V1.12 and are using CRQ processing in DFHSM. thanks for any insights Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request
You could alter the priority of the recalls of the user submitting 1000s of recalls, see ALTERPRI in the HSM Admin Ref. Ex. TSO HSEND ALTERPRI USERID(USERA) LOW -Original Message- From: Lizette Koehler [mailto:stars...@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request I have not seen a good answer on this, so I thought I would throw this out. We have on occasion users submit 1000's of recalls at one time. They use a variety of processes from TSO Batch HRECALL to a REXX process. Of course this can impact other users who are looking to just get one or two datasets back. Other than writing an exit, is there any simple approach to prevent user's from submitting more than X recalls at one time? Or a way to ensure that any recalls submitted are grouped together by migration tape? For example, if I submit 100 recalls that will actually need 40 different migration tapes. Is there any way to get DFHSM to force the recalls to be done by migration volume rather than FIFO? We are z/OS V1.12 and are using CRQ processing in DFHSM. thanks for any insights Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request
When I have done lots of recalls, when a tape is mounted it processes all other pending requests on the same tape before it dismounts the tape. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: deleted For example, if I submit 100 recalls that will actually need 40 different migration tapes. Is there any way to get DFHSM to force the recalls to be done by migration volume rather than FIFO? We are z/OS V1.12 and are using CRQ processing in DFHSM. thanks for any insights Lizette -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Rexx IRXEXCOM reporting insufficient storage -- what storage?
I have IRXEXCOM returning a -2 (Processing was not successful. Insufficient storage was available for a requested SET. Processing was terminated. Some of the request blocks (SHVBLOCKs) may not have been processed and their SHVRET bytes will be unchanged.) at a customer site where I have limited debugging tools. Routine has been working without error for years. What storage is it referring to? Is it referring to Rexx-specific storage of some sort? Does not appear to be the REGION size -- tried 12M and 0 there. Environment is z/OS 1.13 batch. Works in other 1.13 LPARs. Charles -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules
I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to understand the ramifications, but this sounds huge. The result is that the court finds that ideas and principles which underlie any element of a computer program are not protected by copyright under that directive, only the expression of those ideas and principles. What does the above really mean? Can one replicate the 'look and feel' without copyright issues in the EU now? In the US, there is the concept of 'intellectual property' that seems to protect ideas from theft. Does that now mean open season in the EU? Or am I confusing copyright with patents? Granted, I currently think that the US patent system is broken, but this seems a bit of an over kill. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Regan Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules Watch for possible URL truncation as it gets wrapped http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9226783/Programming_languages_can_t_have_copyright_protection_EU_court_rules Thanks, Mark Regan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules
This is what I was saying (for US law) relative to Oracle's claim that a copyright on the Java specification document protected the functioning of the language described therein. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Regan Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules Watch for possible URL truncation as it gets wrapped http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9226783/Programming_languages_can_t_h ave_copyright_protection_EU_court_rules -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request
Lizette, You may want to refer to 1.4.3 Processing Priority of Recalls and Deletions in the HSM Stor. Admin. Apparently recalls are not subject to FIFO. -Original Message- From: Lizette Koehler [mailto:stars...@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request I have not seen a good answer on this, so I thought I would throw this out. We have on occasion users submit 1000's of recalls at one time. They use a variety of processes from TSO Batch HRECALL to a REXX process. Of course this can impact other users who are looking to just get one or two datasets back. Other than writing an exit, is there any simple approach to prevent user's from submitting more than X recalls at one time? Or a way to ensure that any recalls submitted are grouped together by migration tape? For example, if I submit 100 recalls that will actually need 40 different migration tapes. Is there any way to get DFHSM to force the recalls to be done by migration volume rather than FIFO? We are z/OS V1.12 and are using CRQ processing in DFHSM. thanks for any insights Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND?
Full samples of deblocking BPAM directory blocks with code? Which program? I don't see any examples in the P/G you linked to either. What am I missing? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND? The book also has examples and you will find full samples in the SCBCSAMP data set. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v5r4/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.z os.r9.cbcpx01/cbcpg18096.htm On 2/05/2012 9:58 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Thanks! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND? Thank you! Here is an excerpt of a C program which reads a directory of a PDS and inserts the member names into an AVL tree (the insert is not shown, it is done by a function call - see below). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules
Lots of confusion here. 1. US and EU are of course different. Laws and precedents don't matter much from one to the other. 2. Copyright in the US has never protected programming language specifications, etc. Google Lotus v. Borland, the seminal case, which went all the way to SCOTUS. 3. Copyright and Patent are way different. Copyright is trivially easy to get and protects expression: think of poetry. Copyright protects a particular COBOL manual and compiler source code but not the concepts and functions of COBOL. Patents are very hard to get and protect function. This decision has no relationship to patents (except that it reaffirms that copyright does not protect the things that only a patent would protect). 4. Intellectual Property is the name of the kind of stuff copyrights and patents protect. It is not a form of protection of its own. Personal property is not a form of protection, but personal property is protected by theft laws. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to understand the ramifications, but this sounds huge. The result is that the court finds that ideas and principles which underlie any element of a computer program are not protected by copyright under that directive, only the expression of those ideas and principles. What does the above really mean? Can one replicate the 'look and feel' without copyright issues in the EU now? In the US, there is the concept of 'intellectual property' that seems to protect ideas from theft. Does that now mean open season in the EU? Or am I confusing copyright with patents? Granted, I currently think that the US patent system is broken, but this seems a bit of an over kill. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request
On Wed, 2 May 2012 09:35:14 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: We have on occasion users submit 1000's of recalls at one time. They use a variety of processes from TSO Batch HRECALL to a REXX process. Of course this can impact other users who are looking to just get one or two datasets back. A potential bad offender here is NFS. We've had HSM busied out for days when a remote user simply did a ls -l of his TSO prefix. I suggested at that time that readdir() shouldn't report migrated data sets, but recall by specific DSN should be permitted. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
http://plugable.com/products/ The two products are already in production. This kickstarter project is to do 1 large order for a lower unit cost. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:05 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: Doesn't really say __how__ it works internally. The author simply says that, on Fedora 17, it is truly plug and play. He plugged it into a PC running Fedora and he immediately saw a GDM login screen. He said performance was generally good, except for some HD video from YouTube. This is a Kickstart project, which means it isn't ready yet. From the Kickstart page, it implies this is an all hardware solution using ASICs. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1666707630/plugable-thin-client-the-50-computer -- John McKown -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting On Wed, 2 May 2012 07:00:37 -0500, McKown, John wrote: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=plugable_multiseat_kicknum=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a server PC with other PCs connected as clients, but just one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). Ah! The complement to the KVM switch! But it probably has the client PC embedded in the USB plug. I wonder what OS it runs? Is there an X11 server either in the USB plug or in the DisplayLink monitor? Does it need a driver? -- gil -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request
I recall (no pun intended) in an HSM class that grouping recalls by tape volser was the default action of HSM at the 1.11 version if not prior. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.comwrote: I have not seen a good answer on this, so I thought I would throw this out. We have on occasion users submit 1000's of recalls at one time. They use a variety of processes from TSO Batch HRECALL to a REXX process. Of course this can impact other users who are looking to just get one or two datasets back. Other than writing an exit, is there any simple approach to prevent user's from submitting more than X recalls at one time? Or a way to ensure that any recalls submitted are grouped together by migration tape? For example, if I submit 100 recalls that will actually need 40 different migration tapes. Is there any way to get DFHSM to force the recalls to be done by migration volume rather than FIFO? We are z/OS V1.12 and are using CRQ processing in DFHSM. thanks for any insights Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The postings on this site are my own and don’t necessarily represent Mainline’s positions or opinions Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules
Can one replicate the 'look and feel' without copyright issues in the EU now? I might add that look and feel might be subject to copyright protection. Copyright, again, protects *expression.* If I wrote a z/OS system monitor that cleverly displayed the status of started tasks as bouncing balls of various sizes and colors, that expression might be subject to copyright, but the function of displaying the status of started tasks graphically would not. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules Lots of confusion here. 1. US and EU are of course different. Laws and precedents don't matter much from one to the other. 2. Copyright in the US has never protected programming language specifications, etc. Google Lotus v. Borland, the seminal case, which went all the way to SCOTUS. 3. Copyright and Patent are way different. Copyright is trivially easy to get and protects expression: think of poetry. Copyright protects a particular COBOL manual and compiler source code but not the concepts and functions of COBOL. Patents are very hard to get and protect function. This decision has no relationship to patents (except that it reaffirms that copyright does not protect the things that only a patent would protect). 4. Intellectual Property is the name of the kind of stuff copyrights and patents protect. It is not a form of protection of its own. Personal property is not a form of protection, but personal property is protected by theft laws. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to understand the ramifications, but this sounds huge. The result is that the court finds that ideas and principles which underlie any element of a computer program are not protected by copyright under that directive, only the expression of those ideas and principles. What does the above really mean? Can one replicate the 'look and feel' without copyright issues in the EU now? In the US, there is the concept of 'intellectual property' that seems to protect ideas from theft. Does that now mean open season in the EU? Or am I confusing copyright with patents? Granted, I currently think that the US patent system is broken, but this seems a bit of an over kill. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
Thanks. I followed the wrong links, I guess. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets® 9151 Boulevard 26 . N. Richland Hills . TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone . john.mck...@healthmarkets.com . www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets® is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company®, Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting http://plugable.com/products/ The two products are already in production. This kickstarter project is to do 1 large order for a lower unit cost. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:05 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: Doesn't really say __how__ it works internally. The author simply says that, on Fedora 17, it is truly plug and play. He plugged it into a PC running Fedora and he immediately saw a GDM login screen. He said performance was generally good, except for some HD video from YouTube. This is a Kickstart project, which means it isn't ready yet. From the Kickstart page, it implies this is an all hardware solution using ASICs. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1666707630/plugable-thin-c lient-the-50-computer -- John McKown -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting On Wed, 2 May 2012 07:00:37 -0500, McKown, John wrote: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=plugable_mu ltiseat_kicknum=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a server PC with other PCs connected as clients, but just one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). Ah! The complement to the KVM switch! But it probably has the client PC embedded in the USB plug. I wonder what OS it runs? Is there an X11 server either in the USB plug or in the DisplayLink monitor? Does it need a driver? -- gil -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
IBMLink Outage May 4-7
27 April 2012 This is to inform you that IBMLink will have a planned outage for a system upgrade starting on Friday, May 4th at 9:00 PM MT through Monday, May 7th at 3:00 AM MT. During this time IBMLink will be down. Thank you for your patience and understanding. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
Wow. That's...a lot of downtime. :( Do you know if that includes SR? Thanks, MA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
On 5/2/2012 11:24 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: Wow. That's...a lot of downtime. :( Do you know if that includes SR? No idea. The news article is very brief. (See below.) https://www.ibm.com/ibmlink/news/NewsServlet.wss?referrer=newsMaincommand=Getnews_item_id=5446lc=encc=US I agree. It is a LOT of downtime! I hope nobody has any serious sysprogging scheduled for this weekend... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Jes2 HASX32A - No active USING for operand JCTJCLAS
Hi, Jack. I so sorry, I was wrong . . . I compiled another EXIT . . I thought It was EXIT32 Excuse me. Thanks. Regards. Alvaro. -Mensaje original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] En nombre de Jack Schudel Enviado el: miércoles, 02 de mayo de 2012 12:05 Para: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Asunto: Re: Jes2 HASX32A - No active USING for operand JCTJCLAS I looked at member HASX32A in my z/OS 1.10 library, and there are only has 2 references to JCLJCLAS: CLI JCTJCLAS,C'C' JOB CLASS C... 0308 CLI JCTJCLAS,C'D' JOB CLASS D... 0310 I suspect that someone applied a local modification to your source library. Hopefully the original IBM code is still in the DLIB (AHASSAMP) so you will be able to figure out what they were trying to do. Good Luck! -jack - Original Message - From: Alvaro Quintupray B. aquin...@bancoestado.cl Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Jes2 HASX32A - No active USING for operand JCTJCLAS Hi, I was trying compiling the original Jes2 HASX32A ( ZOS 1.10 ) without modifies and I got the following message ** ASMA307E No active USING for operand JCTJCLAS in the statement MVI JCTJCLAS,C'S'. . . Why happened this, if is the original source code from SYS1.SHASSAMP . . .? If someone can help me . . .? Thanks. Regards. Alvaro. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN La información contenida en este correo electrónico, así como en cualquiera de sus adjuntos, es confidencial y está dirigida exclusivamente a el o los destinatarios indicados. Cualquier uso, reproducción, divulgación o distribución por otras personas distintas de el o los destinatarios está estrictamente prohibida. Si ha recibido este correo por error, por favor notifíquelo inmediatamente al remitente y bórrelo de su sistema sin dejar copia del mismo. BancoEstado no acepta responsabilidad alguna por cualquier perdida o daño como consecuencia, directa o indirecta, del uso indebido de este e-mail o de los adjuntos al mismo. The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, any further disclosure or use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you think you have received this e-mail message in error, please E-mail the sender and delete the e-mail. BancoEstado is not liable for any loss or damage resulting from illegal use of this E-mail or any attachment. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
I've complained to our IBM account team repeatedly that having IBMLink have down time during the weekend when we have our changes scheduled is a big exposure. I'd love to see them move out of the window most customers have their change windows - maybe other accounts could also raise the issue to their teams? Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Programmer Safeway Inc. 925 951 4184 If you feel in control you just aren't going fast enough. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7 On 5/2/2012 11:24 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: Wow. That's...a lot of downtime. :( Do you know if that includes SR? No idea. The news article is very brief. (See below.) https://www.ibm.com/ibmlink/news/NewsServlet.wss?referrer=newsMaincommand=Getnews_item_id=5446lc=encc=US I agree. It is a LOT of downtime! I hope nobody has any serious sysprogging scheduled for this weekend... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Email Firewall made the following annotations. -- Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
QUIESCE
I entered quiesce on z/OS under VM by mistake. How do I get the Virtual Machine going again? I tried B but did not work. I tried RESTART but it asked for a parm. Help -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
On 2 May 2012 14:05:30 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: I've complained to our IBM account team repeatedly that having IBMLink have down time during the weekend when we have our changes scheduled is a big exposure. I'd love to see them move out of the window most customers have their change windows - maybe other accounts could also raise the issue to their teams? I guess that the service link team hasn't gotten the message that system z allows 24/7/365. I can't imagine Microsoft having their service site shut down for that amount of time. So far as I know their equivalent of Service Link is always available. If I had the money I would bring this up at a shareholders meeting but the travel costs are too great for the low value to me personally. Clark Morris Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Programmer Safeway Inc. 925 951 4184 If you feel in control you just aren't going fast enough. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7 On 5/2/2012 11:24 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: Wow. That's...a lot of downtime. :( Do you know if that includes SR? No idea. The news article is very brief. (See below.) https://www.ibm.com/ibmlink/news/NewsServlet.wss?referrer=newsMaincommand=Getnews_item_id=5446lc=encc=US I agree. It is a LOT of downtime! I hope nobody has any serious sysprogging scheduled for this weekend... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
In all the time I've been doing this, I would never have dared ask for outages of this magnitude. The worst I ever was part of was a couple 12-14 hour unexpected weekend days when we didn't have fall back ready. I think that was also the time after VM and before we did a sandbox LPAR, so we did some standalone restores. With the new ERP system they are moving us to, scheduled outages of this length are routine. :( but it's better than the working legacy :) Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
On 5/2/2012 5:05 PM, Jerry Whitteridge wrote: I've complained to our IBM account team repeatedly that having IBMLink have down time during the weekend when we have our changes scheduled is a big exposure. I'd love to see them move out of the window most customers have their change windows - maybe other accounts could also raise the issue to their teams? Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Programmer Safeway Inc. 925 951 4184 Jerry, This is incredibly frustrating. I'm part of a SHARE working group that has made clear to IBM that IBMLink MUST be available 24/7. They blew us off, saying that both SR and ShopZ are available 24/7 (they're not, but that's for another rant). We came back and said that SIS, ASAP, etc. are still IBMLink only, and we need access to them 24/7, especially SIS. They've assured us that they are working toward making IBMLink continuously available, but this 3-day outage is a slap in the face. None of us get three days to work on our systems. Even the most ambitious data center move occurs in hours, not days. Somebody at IBM should be embarrassed about this, but I have a feeling that they're not. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: QUIESCE
I entered quiesce on z/OS under VM by mistake. How do I get the Virtual Machine going again? Try #cp sys restart Regards, George Kozakos z/OS Software Service, Level 2 Supervisor -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
On 5/2/2012 2:25 PM, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: Wow. That's...a lot of downtime. :( Do you know if that includes SR? Thanks, MA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MA, Makes you feel good about all that work we've been doing with IBM, doesn't it? Tom -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
On 5/2/2012 2:34 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: On 5/2/2012 11:24 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: Wow. That's...a lot of downtime. :( Do you know if that includes SR? No idea. The news article is very brief. (See below.) https://www.ibm.com/ibmlink/news/NewsServlet.wss?referrer=newsMaincommand=Getnews_item_id=5446lc=encc=US I agree. It is a LOT of downtime! I hope nobody has any serious sysprogging scheduled for this weekend... Ed, Just brutal, a total slap in the face. Tom -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
On 5/2/2012 3:35 PM, Gibney, Dave wrote: With the new ERP system they are moving us to, scheduled outages of this length are routine. :( but it's better than the working legacy :) Double standard. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 4:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7 On 5/2/2012 3:35 PM, Gibney, Dave wrote: With the new ERP system they are moving us to, scheduled outages of this length are routine. :( but it's better than the working legacy :) Double standard. New regime, New Direction I'll need plan B (or C) before I retire. It has been a mostly good 30 years here. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
Makes you feel good about all that work we've been doing with IBM, doesn't it? You betcha. I think what aggravates me the most is that can still say it's up 24x7, because 'scheduled maintenance windows' don't count. MA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
On 2 May 2012 17:40:01 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Makes you feel good about all that work we've been doing with IBM, doesn't it? You betcha. I think what aggravates me the most is that can still say it's up 24x7, because 'scheduled maintenance windows' don't count. Maybe those of us who are active and not semi-retired like me should call their IBM sales person and ask them why IBM can't maintain continuous availability when Microsoft can. Maybe e-mails and letters to Virginia Rometty would help. Rodney C. Adkins might be another good one. The theme of this should be If Microsoft can maintain continuous availability, why can't you?. Clark Morris MA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
IBM should explain what it expects to accomplish during this--on the face of it--absurdly long interval. If IBMLink's deplorable availability will be very much improved after it, this outage may well be justifiable. If not, not. In general, it is time for more transparency about these issues; prior notice without consultation is not enough. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules
All, So how do you protect code, whatever language you have written in , in business ? Without copyright, doesn't it imply , people can take you source and change it and resell it ...if the gave your source , right ? Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On May 2, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Can one replicate the 'look and feel' without copyright issues in the EU now? I might add that look and feel might be subject to copyright protection. Copyright, again, protects *expression.* If I wrote a z/OS system monitor that cleverly displayed the status of started tasks as bouncing balls of various sizes and colors, that expression might be subject to copyright, but the function of displaying the status of started tasks graphically would not. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules Lots of confusion here. 1. US and EU are of course different. Laws and precedents don't matter much from one to the other. 2. Copyright in the US has never protected programming language specifications, etc. Google Lotus v. Borland, the seminal case, which went all the way to SCOTUS. 3. Copyright and Patent are way different. Copyright is trivially easy to get and protects expression: think of poetry. Copyright protects a particular COBOL manual and compiler source code but not the concepts and functions of COBOL. Patents are very hard to get and protect function. This decision has no relationship to patents (except that it reaffirms that copyright does not protect the things that only a patent would protect). 4. Intellectual Property is the name of the kind of stuff copyrights and patents protect. It is not a form of protection of its own. Personal property is not a form of protection, but personal property is protected by theft laws. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to understand the ramifications, but this sounds huge. The result is that the court finds that ideas and principles which underlie any element of a computer program are not protected by copyright under that directive, only the expression of those ideas and principles. What does the above really mean? Can one replicate the 'look and feel' without copyright issues in the EU now? In the US, there is the concept of 'intellectual property' that seems to protect ideas from theft. Does that now mean open season in the EU? Or am I confusing copyright with patents? Granted, I currently think that the US patent system is broken, but this seems a bit of an over kill. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND?
My link was bad! Seems I didn't quite understand how to copy a link in Infocenter! http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v5r4/topic/com.ibm.zos.r9.cbcpx01/cbcpg180781.htm#wq1935 On 3/05/2012 1:09 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Full samples of deblocking BPAM directory blocks with code? Which program? I don't see any examples in the P/G you linked to either. What am I missing? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND? The book also has examples and you will find full samples in the SCBCSAMP data set. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v5r4/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.z os.r9.cbcpx01/cbcpg18096.htm On 2/05/2012 9:58 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Thanks! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND? Thank you! Here is an excerpt of a C program which reads a directory of a PDS and inserts the member names into an AVL tree (the insert is not shown, it is done by a function call - see below). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
STCBSST bit of STCBFLG1 of STCB DSECT
APAR OA34311 enhances z/OS V1R12 to allow a dispatchable unit (maybe only task?) running in subspace mode to access virtual storage above the 2GB bar. This enhancement was not provided for z/OS V1R11. Our software needs to run on z/OS V1R11, and it sometimes needs to run in subspace mode. We would like to be able to determine programmatically whether our task is in subspace mode, so as to bring data below the bar for it. We have tried to use the STCBSST (X'10') bit of the STCBFLG1 byte at 25 off the STCB. There seem to be situations in which the task is in subspace mode, but the bit is not set. I wrote a test program which performed the following steps (sorry this is so complicated, but i have developed infrastructure and it's easier to just plug into it than to rewrite it): 1. JES2 starts the job-step in key 8. The test code then does: 2. MODESET KEY=ZERO 3. Set TCBPKF to X'60' 4. Allocate some storage in key 6. Copy parameters so the module i'm going to launch will be able to access them. 5. ATTACH a JOBSTEP task. It ends up running in key 6, PROBLEM state. This task then does: 6. ATTACH a non-JOBSTEP task, which does: 7a. IARSUBSP IDENTIFY 7b. IARSUBSP CREATE 7c. IARSUBSP ASSIGN 8. ALESERV ADD,STOKEN=token,ALET=alet where the token is as returned by step 7b. 9. BSG (BRANCH IN SUBSPACE GROUP) 10. Invoke XDC via its SVC HOOK. I then examine the STCBFLG1 byte and find that it's zero. If the program continues and attempts to access storage above the bar (you could insert a step between 6 and 7 to obtain this storage), i get S0C4-3B, as documented in OA34311 (i'm running on z/OS V1R11. There is no problem on z/OS V1R12, as we have applied the PTF). Are there some other pieces of data i should be examin- ing to see whether the current task has subspaces? Am i having this problem only because the task which is creating the subspace is not JOBSTEP? Thank you for any help, Justin R. Bendich jbendich at austin dot rr dot com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules
This is not the code. This is the language specification. Someone could write their own version of your product. Then users could buy their application instead of yours and run their programs. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: All, So how do you protect code, whatever language you have written in , in business ? Without copyright, doesn't it imply , people can take you source and change it and resell it ...if the gave your source , right ? Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On May 2, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Can one replicate the 'look and feel' without copyright issues in the EU now? I might add that look and feel might be subject to copyright protection. Copyright, again, protects *expression.* If I wrote a z/OS system monitor that cleverly displayed the status of started tasks as bouncing balls of various sizes and colors, that expression might be subject to copyright, but the function of displaying the status of started tasks graphically would not. Charles -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules
Right. If you wrote a COBOL compiler, you could protect your compiler code under copyright, you could protect your manual, you could protect the layout of your interactive debugger screens. But you can't protect the functionality of the language. I can write my own COBOL compiler, manual, and interactive debugger. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules This is not the code. This is the language specification. Someone could write their own version of your product. Then users could buy their application instead of yours and run their programs. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: All, So how do you protect code, whatever language you have written in , in business ? Without copyright, doesn't it imply , people can take you source and change it and resell it ...if the gave your source , right ? Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On May 2, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Can one replicate the 'look and feel' without copyright issues in the EU now? I might add that look and feel might be subject to copyright protection. Copyright, again, protects *expression.* If I wrote a z/OS system monitor that cleverly displayed the status of started tasks as bouncing balls of various sizes and colors, that expression might be subject to copyright, but the function of displaying the status of started tasks graphically would not. Charles -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND?
Aha! Muchas gracias! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND? My link was bad! Seems I didn't quite understand how to copy a link in Infocenter! http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v5r4/topic/com.ibm.zos.r9.cbcpx 01/cbcpg180781.htm#wq1935 On 3/05/2012 1:09 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Full samples of deblocking BPAM directory blocks with code? Which program? I don't see any examples in the P/G you linked to either. What am I missing? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
STCBSST bit of STCBFLG1 of STCB DSECT
Are there some other pieces of data i should be examin- ing to see whether the current task has subspaces? Tasks do not have spaces. Address spaces have subspaces. I do not see a Programming Interface for determining whether or not an address space has subspaces. Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7
On 5/2/2012 7:27 PM, John Gilmore wrote: IBM should explain what it expects to accomplish during this--on the face of it--absurdly long interval. Absurd indeed! When was the last time one of IBM's mainframe customers enjoyed a 54-hour maintenance/upgrade outage window? I have never seen anything like this myself, but I am relatively inexperienced compared to many on this list. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules
On 5/2/2012 7:33 PM, Scott Ford wrote: So how do you protect code, whatever language you have written in , in business ? You must treat it as trade secret information. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules
Charles, Functionality of the language ? Not being dense, but you functionally what the programming language does in the app or functionally what it does, I.e.; read files ,write files, etc.. Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On May 3, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Right. If you wrote a COBOL compiler, you could protect your compiler code under copyright, you could protect your manual, you could protect the layout of your interactive debugger screens. But you can't protect the functionality of the language. I can write my own COBOL compiler, manual, and interactive debugger. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules This is not the code. This is the language specification. Someone could write their own version of your product. Then users could buy their application instead of yours and run their programs. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: All, So how do you protect code, whatever language you have written in , in business ? Without copyright, doesn't it imply , people can take you source and change it and resell it ...if the gave your source , right ? Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On May 2, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Can one replicate the 'look and feel' without copyright issues in the EU now? I might add that look and feel might be subject to copyright protection. Copyright, again, protects *expression.* If I wrote a z/OS system monitor that cleverly displayed the status of started tasks as bouncing balls of various sizes and colors, that expression might be subject to copyright, but the function of displaying the status of started tasks graphically would not. Charles -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
