Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
Have had both CMF and RMF in house on various customers. RMF gets my vote. CMF always had that bubble gum and baling twine sorta feel to it IMHO. Options are good and I'm glad it's there for people who cant afford RMF. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
Yes, that is my experience too. I can add that if you also purchase Mainview, you have a beautiful monitor for keeping a good eye on the behavings of your system, with very detailled drill down views and highly customizable presentation. I don't think RMF has this, at least not in that detail. And don't get me started on Omegamon/Tivoli, there most of the money was spent, in my opinion, on a nice GUI, not on producing useful information (defined capacities and group capacity limits: never heard of). Kees. McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote in message news:a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea00b038bb...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom. .. I'll be a bit contrary. I don't know about expense. We can't afford much of anything any more. I guess we're too small to succeed. But I've never had a problem with CMF in 20 years. But we are never bleeding edge. I have had some problems with Data Accelerator due to maintenance. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 3:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF I would have said Bankrupting Mountain of Crap. :-) Rick -- Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: From your choice of language, I assume you ended up in this group/forum unintentionally, by opening our door i.s.o. your manhole cover. Be more careful where you go next time. Jeeez. Kees. Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote in message news:b6bb8fd9ebc3690f1ea46493a7d4c...@dizum.com... kees.verno...@klm.com (Vernooij, CP - SPLXM) wrote: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote in message news:4e8f8f91.1040...@ync.net... --snip- --- --- I have been looking at CMF vs. RMF as a question. Is there any pros or cons between the two? Any other products besides CMF that competes with RMF on the mainframe? unsnip- --- --- CMF is a wonderful product but it's very maintenance-sensitive, not only for itself but for the rest of the system as well. It uses a number of hooks that it places in z/OS code when it starts and removes during shutdown. If there's a maintenance mis-match, you could be looking at a system outage. BTDT GTSS. I NEVER expirienced this in all my life (which is about the time we run CMF). So what? Just because you didn't have a problem doesn't mean problems don't exist. I'll bet what Rick says against anything you have to say. My choice is to stick with RMF. The numbers aren't as detailed but the risks are FAR lower. FUD! That's BMC all the way! Fire longtime employees and hire 10 dollar an hour Mexicans, Indians and Russians. If you want support or a fix, you're shit out of luck with BMC. BMC: Bastards Motherfuckers Cheats Kees. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its
Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
Well, that was a bad day. But this does not justify the general statement that this never has happnened, nor ever will, with RMF. I bet there will at least be one site that has had a similar experience with RMF? We had the same feeling with one product from a third party vendor, that we used in stead of the IBM product. The third party product had several nasty problems, but when I suggestes to convert to the IBM product, my colleague who does most of the SMP work, pointed out that he regularly saw PTFs on the IBM product for similarly nasty problems. No product is bugfree, even IEFBR14 has been enhanced in the past, so stating that one is better than the other should be based on decent investigations. Kees. Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote in message news:4e9c8f8e.8040...@ync.net... BTDTGTSS, Kees. Lost my PRODUCTION system at the worst possible time of day, with fines and penalties that run $1000's per MINUTE! Rick For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
snip--- Well, that was a bad day. ---unsnip- That's a masterpiece of understatement! :-) -snip- But this does not justify the general statement that this never has happnened, nor ever will, with RMF. I bet there will at least be one site that has had a similar experience with RMF? --unsnip- I don't believe I ever made the statement that RMF was perfect. I was, however, assured by RMF Lvl-2 support, that it uses designed interfaces to gather its information. Hooks into existing code using the instruction-replacement technique are strictly verboten. It was that type of hook that caused my problem with CMF. I was also assured that TMF had never led to a system outage; only measurement outages or inconsistencies. ---snip-- We had the same feeling with one product from a third party vendor, that we used in stead of the IBM product. The third party product had several nasty problems, but when I suggestes to convert to the IBM product, my colleague who does most of the SMP work, pointed out that he regularly saw PTFs on the IBM product for similarly nasty problems. unsnip--- Nobody has a monopoly on problems; even the most careful designs can have some pretty nasty failures when circumstances happen that were not considered by the designers. --snip-- No product is bugfree, even IEFBR14 has been enhanced in the past, so stating that one is better than the other should be based on decent investigations. unsnip I submit that enhancements are not necessarily solutions. Even programs with no problems can be enhanced. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote in message news:4e8f8f91.1040...@ync.net... --snip --- I have been looking at CMF vs. RMF as a question. Is there any pros or cons between the two? Any other products besides CMF that competes with RMF on the mainframe? unsnip --- CMF is a wonderful product but it's very maintenance-sensitive, not only for itself but for the rest of the system as well. It uses a number of hooks that it places in z/OS code when it starts and removes during shutdown. If there's a maintenance mis-match, you could be looking at a system outage. BTDT GTSS. I NEVER expirienced this in all my life (which is about the time we run CMF). My choice is to stick with RMF. The numbers aren't as detailed but the risks are FAR lower. FUD! Kees. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
From your choice of language, I assume you ended up in this group/forum unintentionally, by opening our door i.s.o. your manhole cover. Be more careful where you go next time. Jeeez. Kees. Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote in message news:b6bb8fd9ebc3690f1ea46493a7d4c...@dizum.com... kees.verno...@klm.com (Vernooij, CP - SPLXM) wrote: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote in message news:4e8f8f91.1040...@ync.net... --snip --- I have been looking at CMF vs. RMF as a question. Is there any pros or cons between the two? Any other products besides CMF that competes with RMF on the mainframe? unsnip --- CMF is a wonderful product but it's very maintenance-sensitive, not only for itself but for the rest of the system as well. It uses a number of hooks that it places in z/OS code when it starts and removes during shutdown. If there's a maintenance mis-match, you could be looking at a system outage. BTDT GTSS. I NEVER expirienced this in all my life (which is about the time we run CMF). So what? Just because you didn't have a problem doesn't mean problems don't exist. I'll bet what Rick says against anything you have to say. My choice is to stick with RMF. The numbers aren't as detailed but the risks are FAR lower. FUD! That's BMC all the way! Fire longtime employees and hire 10 dollar an hour Mexicans, Indians and Russians. If you want support or a fix, you're shit out of luck with BMC. BMC: Bastards Motherfuckers Cheats Kees. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
BTDTGTSS, Kees. Lost my PRODUCTION system at the worst possible time of day, with fines and penalties that run $1000's per MINUTE! Rick -- Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote in message news:4e8f8f91.1040...@ync.net... --snip --- I have been looking at CMF vs. RMF as a question. Is there any pros or cons between the two? Any other products besides CMF that competes with RMF on the mainframe? unsnip --- CMF is a wonderful product but it's very maintenance-sensitive, not only for itself but for the rest of the system as well. It uses a number of hooks that it places in z/OS code when it starts and removes during shutdown. If there's a maintenance mis-match, you could be looking at a system outage. BTDT GTSS. I NEVER expirienced this in all my life (which is about the time we run CMF). My choice is to stick with RMF. The numbers aren't as detailed but the risks are FAR lower. FUD! Kees. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
I would have said Bankrupting Mountain of Crap. :-) Rick -- Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: From your choice of language, I assume you ended up in this group/forum unintentionally, by opening our door i.s.o. your manhole cover. Be more careful where you go next time. Jeeez. Kees. Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote in message news:b6bb8fd9ebc3690f1ea46493a7d4c...@dizum.com... kees.verno...@klm.com (Vernooij, CP - SPLXM) wrote: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote in message news:4e8f8f91.1040...@ync.net... --snip --- I have been looking at CMF vs. RMF as a question. Is there any pros or cons between the two? Any other products besides CMF that competes with RMF on the mainframe? unsnip --- CMF is a wonderful product but it's very maintenance-sensitive, not only for itself but for the rest of the system as well. It uses a number of hooks that it places in z/OS code when it starts and removes during shutdown. If there's a maintenance mis-match, you could be looking at a system outage. BTDT GTSS. I NEVER expirienced this in all my life (which is about the time we run CMF). So what? Just because you didn't have a problem doesn't mean problems don't exist. I'll bet what Rick says against anything you have to say. My choice is to stick with RMF. The numbers aren't as detailed but the risks are FAR lower. FUD! That's BMC all the way! Fire longtime employees and hire 10 dollar an hour Mexicans, Indians and Russians. If you want support or a fix, you're shit out of luck with BMC. BMC: Bastards Motherfuckers Cheats Kees. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
There another alternative to these products for consolidating views to help assist in controlling costs (WLM etc). Contact me offline and I will point you that way. Regards Brian Fitzgibbon On 10/17/2011 4:30 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: I would have said Bankrupting Mountain of Crap. :-) Rick -- Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: From your choice of language, I assume you ended up in this group/forum unintentionally, by opening our door i.s.o. your manhole cover. Be more careful where you go next time. Jeeez. Kees. Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote in message news:b6bb8fd9ebc3690f1ea46493a7d4c...@dizum.com... kees.verno...@klm.com (Vernooij, CP - SPLXM) wrote: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote in message news:4e8f8f91.1040...@ync.net... --snip --- I have been looking at CMF vs. RMF as a question. Is there any pros or cons between the two? Any other products besides CMF that competes with RMF on the mainframe? unsnip --- CMF is a wonderful product but it's very maintenance-sensitive, not only for itself but for the rest of the system as well. It uses a number of hooks that it places in z/OS code when it starts and removes during shutdown. If there's a maintenance mis-match, you could be looking at a system outage. BTDT GTSS. I NEVER expirienced this in all my life (which is about the time we run CMF). So what? Just because you didn't have a problem doesn't mean problems don't exist. I'll bet what Rick says against anything you have to say. My choice is to stick with RMF. The numbers aren't as detailed but the risks are FAR lower. FUD! That's BMC all the way! Fire longtime employees and hire 10 dollar an hour Mexicans, Indians and Russians. If you want support or a fix, you're shit out of luck with BMC. BMC: Bastards Motherfuckers Cheats Kees. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
I'll be a bit contrary. I don't know about expense. We can't afford much of anything any more. I guess we're too small to succeed. But I've never had a problem with CMF in 20 years. But we are never bleeding edge. I have had some problems with Data Accelerator due to maintenance. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 3:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF I would have said Bankrupting Mountain of Crap. :-) Rick -- Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: From your choice of language, I assume you ended up in this group/forum unintentionally, by opening our door i.s.o. your manhole cover. Be more careful where you go next time. Jeeez. Kees. Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote in message news:b6bb8fd9ebc3690f1ea46493a7d4c...@dizum.com... kees.verno...@klm.com (Vernooij, CP - SPLXM) wrote: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote in message news:4e8f8f91.1040...@ync.net... --snip- --- --- I have been looking at CMF vs. RMF as a question. Is there any pros or cons between the two? Any other products besides CMF that competes with RMF on the mainframe? unsnip- --- --- CMF is a wonderful product but it's very maintenance-sensitive, not only for itself but for the rest of the system as well. It uses a number of hooks that it places in z/OS code when it starts and removes during shutdown. If there's a maintenance mis-match, you could be looking at a system outage. BTDT GTSS. I NEVER expirienced this in all my life (which is about the time we run CMF). So what? Just because you didn't have a problem doesn't mean problems don't exist. I'll bet what Rick says against anything you have to say. My choice is to stick with RMF. The numbers aren't as detailed but the risks are FAR lower. FUD! That's BMC all the way! Fire longtime employees and hire 10 dollar an hour Mexicans, Indians and Russians. If you want support or a fix, you're shit out of luck with BMC. BMC: Bastards Motherfuckers Cheats Kees. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access
BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
I have been looking at CMF vs. RMF as a question. Is there any pros or cons between the two? Any other products besides CMF that competes with RMF on the mainframe? Thanks Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
--snip--- I have been looking at CMF vs. RMF as a question. Is there any pros or cons between the two? Any other products besides CMF that competes with RMF on the mainframe? unsnip--- CMF is a wonderful product but it's very maintenance-sensitive, not only for itself but for the rest of the system as well. It uses a number of hooks that it places in z/OS code when it starts and removes during shutdown. If there's a maintenance mis-match, you could be looking at a system outage. BTDT GTSS. My choice is to stick with RMF. The numbers aren't as detailed but the risks are FAR lower. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 18:47 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote: --snip--- I have been looking at CMF vs. RMF as a question. Is there any pros or cons between the two? Any other products besides CMF that competes with RMF on the mainframe? unsnip--- CMF is a wonderful product but it's very maintenance-sensitive, not only for itself but for the rest of the system as well. It uses a number of hooks that it places in z/OS code when it starts and removes during shutdown. If there's a maintenance mis-match, you could be looking at a system outage. BTDT GTSS. My choice is to stick with RMF. The numbers aren't as detailed but the risks are FAR lower. Rick I guess that I've been lucky. We've used CMF ever since I've been at my current job - almost 20 years now. You're right about keeping the maintenance up, but Boole Babbage (original) and BMC are very good at it. Of course, we are __never__ bleeding edge. Closer to don't upgrade until the old release is almost unsupported and only put on PTFs for specific problems when then occur. I do receive all maintenance, but rarely do any APPLYs unless it is to solve a problem that we have personally experienced. We're so behind the times in how we do things that this works well for us. -- John McKown Maranatha! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC CMF vs. IBM RMF
GTSS GTTS? - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
