Re: Disclaimers
Prior to my retirement from UA, and being the Listserv Admin, I had an exit in place that checked for excessive quoting and disclaimers. I had to take out that exit when I retired. So you may be seeing an increase in excessive quoting and disclaimers. My apologies. I wish I could do more about it. It is up to each subscriber that posts to the list to remove non-essential text from their replies. Unfortunately, some subscribers have disclaimers added to their posts by mailers after they send it. And, of course, there are others that just dont care. Darren -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
But, I find it hard to read one-line e-mails, with 30 line disclaimers. Non-dissemination clauses have no relevance in public forums such as IBM-MAIN. The only disclaimers that *are* relevant would be those such as This is my personal opinion, not necessarily that of my employer and, possibly, Too busy driving to stop for gas! ;-) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:08:32 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Disclaimers To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ted, I like you, but you're guilty of starting this thread. ;-) Yes, I am. If it offends you, I'm sorry. But, I find it hard to read one-line e-mails, with 30 line disclaimers. This may be the wrong forum, but we are getting to much clutter due to disclaimers. I'm trying for a grass-roots campaign to eliminate them. But, to keep the respect up, this will be the last post/response from me. No more diatribe. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! _ Do more with your photos with Windows Live Photo Gallery. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_photos_022008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/13/2008 at 05:25 PM, Dave Kopischke [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: By virtue of the fact that disclaimer is in the E-Mail, a lawyer might construe that as a reason to haul you in to court to explain why you disseminated that information. At this point, you're dealing with lawyers and courts. They haul you in for a hearing, the lawyer says he needs more time to collect data on you, the despicable character that you are. Continuance. You miss a day of work. Spend a vacation day in a courtroom. You file suit against the lawyer for abuse of process. The risks are not all on one side. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Posting Etiquette [Was Disclaimers]
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/13/2008 at 06:28 PM, Thompson, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And to that end, I agree. People need to cut the junk off a posting, only quoting what is germane to their comments. Yes. And other people need to stop jumping on people for doing as you ask. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
Ted MacNEIL wrote: Does anybody realise that you cannot issue prior restraint? You cannot legally enforce the fact that you cannot disseminate an e-mail that was sent to you, stating you can't send it from here! If an email was sent to you, unsolicited, you can do whatever you want with it. Sending to a list server is unsolicited. I know this is the law in Canada; I'm pretty sure it's the same in the US. As the Klingons say: if you don't want it heard, you shall not say it. I'm not sure, but I think this is a little bit on topic. I disagree. It's not. As far as I understand you talk about legal disclaimers in the mails. Well, I also have one, unfortunately it is completely independent from me. I believe others have no choice as well. So, let's keep ingoring them and talk about bits and bytes (in a mainframe). Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland P.S. I must get a gas ;-) -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2008 r. kapitał zakładowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 złote i został w całości wpłacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
Except that's the wrong liability. The sender would ultimately be liable. If, for example, I send a private (person-to-person, or point-to-point) e-Mail with confidential data to IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu instead of to you specifically, and that mail contains contract rates or specific internal security information about you/your company, and a couple of IBM-MAIN listers forward that message on to TMZ or TheSmokingGun.com, THEY don't hold any liability for the information ending up on Drudge. I, however, would be on an unemployment line faster than you can say bortaS ChoQ, my boss would be throwing veQ at me, and I'd end up performing the Hegh'bat so I could end up in the Black Fleet. I'm unaware of any legal case where a message recipient/resender was held liable for unintentional receipt/forwarding of a message. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 23:52 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Disclaimers if worded correctly, so that a message cannot be used as a legally binding agreement (and believe me, it's been tried) which can come back to bite the sender in the bee-hind. My issue was never that. It's the implied liability of the recipient. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
The quote you gave was the tip-off. And I thoroughly enjoyed that novel as well. As I recall, it was first said to Vrenn (later Krenn) by Thought-Admiral Kethas epetai Khemara. This is what happens when you're a 96th percentile Nerd. Look, if you want a disclaimer, either make it KISS-principle (This is an e-mail - it is not a secured or legal document, so don't act like it is.) or make it FUN (my previous example). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 23:49 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Disclaimers Ah, a John M. Ford fan. The Final Reflection - one of the best non-canon ST novels out there I don't know how you figure that out, but yes I am. I've read them all. I was 9 when startrek went on the air (TOS) and have watched them all! But, my point is still the same. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doc Farmer Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Disclaimers The quote you gave was the tip-off. And I thoroughly enjoyed that novel as well. As I recall, it was first said to Vrenn (later Krenn) by Thought-Admiral Kethas epetai Khemara. This is what happens when you're a 96th percentile Nerd. Look, if you want a disclaimer, either make it KISS-principle (This is an e-mail - it is not a secured or legal document, so don't act like it is.) or make it FUN (my previous example). My disclaimer is dictated by the company lawyers. Lawyers understand neither KISS nor fun. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
snip- The quote you gave was the tip-off. And I thoroughly enjoyed that novel as well. As I recall, it was first said to Vrenn (later Krenn) by Thought-Admiral Kethas epetai Khemara. This is what happens when you're a 96th percentile Nerd. Look, if you want a disclaimer, either make it KISS-principle (This is an e-mail - it is not a secured or legal document, so don't act like it is.) or make it FUN (my previous example). My disclaimer is dictated by the company lawyers. Lawyers understand neither KISS nor fun. --unsnip--- I know very few lawyers that understand ANYTHING about the real world. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
Shakespeare was RIGHT: * The First Thing We Do, Let's Kill All The Lawyers! On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:55:06 -0500, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip- My disclaimer is dictated by the company lawyers. Lawyers understand neither KISS nor fun. --unsnip--- I know very few lawyers that understand ANYTHING about the real world. :-) -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
Actually, lawyers know a LOT about the real world. They know that if they sue someone, they can make gobs of money - especially if that someone has deep pockets, and their client has deep pockets. Unfortunately, we (in the US) live in the country with the most lawyers per capita of any other country in the world, and we have more lawsuits than any other country in the world. I know very few lawyers that understand ANYTHING about the real world. :-) -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Aviva USA Des Moines, Iowa 515-645-5153 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
My disclaimer is dictated by the company lawyers. Lawyers understand neither KISS nor fun. True. My point was, due to prior restraint, their unenforcable (at least, in Canada). They are a waste of bandwidth, disk-space, and time (especially when they are at the top). They add no value. You send me something that is valuable, it is not my problem. I'm free to do whatever I want with it, since I have made no arrangement otherwise. The words are unimportant, and I do not hear them! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
---snip-- R.S. wrote: Ted MacNEIL wrote: Does anybody realise that you cannot issue prior restraint? You cannot legally enforce the fact that you cannot disseminate an e-mail that was sent to you, stating you can't send it from here! If an email was sent to you, unsolicited, you can do whatever you want with it. Sending to a list server is unsolicited. I know this is the law in Canada; I'm pretty sure it's the same in the US. As the Klingons say: if you don't want it heard, you shall not say it. I'm not sure, but I think this is a little bit on topic. I disagree. It's not. As far as I understand you talk about legal disclaimers in the mails. Well, I also have one, unfortunately it is completely independent from me. I believe others have no choice as well. So, let's keep ingoring them and talk about bits and bytes (in a mainframe). --unsnip--- I disagree with both of these viewpoints. If I know that I have certain information because of the presence of a NDA, I will obey the SPIRIT of that agreement. If I am asked about things that fall under that NDA, I will be deaf, mute and stupid. I'm just tickled pink to be privy to that information, and refuse to jeopardize any chance I might have in the future of getting access to that sort of information. Instead of nit-picking over exact wording and obscurely-written laws, we should be looking at the reasoning behind the NDA. How many of you have been consultants and agreed, in your contracts, not to discuss customer business or internal discussions outside customer premises? While consulting fees have sometimes been referred to as highway robbery, even among theives there is still honor! :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
I have certain information because of the presence of a NDA... Who said anything about NDA? I'm talking about an e-mail out of the blue from somebody who sent it to me unsolicited and now wants me to protect the content. If you don't want it disseminated, don't send it to me. NDA's are completely different from an e-mail saying I sent it to you; don't send it to anybody else. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers (Slightly OT)
---snip- Actually, lawyers know a LOT about the real world. They know that if they sue someone, they can make gobs of money - especially if that someone has deep pockets, and their client has deep pockets. Unfortunately, we (in the US) live in the country with the most lawyers per capita of any other country in the world, and we have more lawsuits than any other country in the world. ---unsnip-- Unfortunately, you're right, Eric. After nearly 4 years of watching Court TV, I can also say we have some of the most gullible people of any nation on earth. I've separated the COURT TV litigants into three categories: 1. GOLD DIGGERS. Those who have a badly inflated idea of the price of their (often imaginary) injuries 2. Fallen women or Fallen men, who have all the morals of alley cats, and expect the courts to pay them for their immorality 3. Just plain STUPID PEOPLE, who shouldn't be allowed in public without a leash, a muzzle and a keeper. He told me he couldn't get a cell phone because of bad credit so I loaned him one if he'd pay the bill. HEY IDIOT: He got bad credit because he DIDNT PAY HIS BILLS! And letting lawyers advertise was one of the biggest mistakes the FCC ever made! More ads for lawyers per hour than all other products services combined! Disgusted with the whole rotten system. End rant and end of my comments on the subject. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
-unsnip--- Who said anything about NDA? I'm talking about an e-mail out of the blue from somebody who sent it to me unsolicited and now wants me to protect the content. If you don't want it disseminated, don't send it to me. NDA's are completely different from an e-mail saying I sent it to you; don't send it to anybody else. -unsnip-- I'm sorry; I misread the intent and went off on a tangent. Now that you've dragged me back to the intent properly, I'll make my simple statement and steal silently away. Note that I don't provide a disclaimer. If I don't say it, you can't hear it. And a closed mouth gathers no feet. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
Rick Fochtman wrote: [...]I disagree with both of these viewpoints.[...] Rick, The only thing, I disagree it is Ted's presumption, the thread is on-topic. NO, IT'S NOT. Disclaimers, although many of IBM-MAIN members carry them - are *not* on-topic. Yes, it could be interesting thing and we could discuss it, but: - it's still off-topic, another mailing list should be chosen - usually we have no choice of the disclaimers. So, we can consider them as stupind, ineffective, boring, but we cannot change them. While I could accept (and even ignore) off-topic discussion on the list, I see no reason not to call it off-topic. Ted, I like you, but you're guilty of starting this thread. ;-) Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland P.S. What do you think about NY governor ? (ok, just kidding) P.P.S. Why one of San Francisco streets in Twin Peaks area is named Honda Drive? Is it sponsored by Honda Corp? (just kidding again, but I'm really curious). -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
Ted, I like you, but you're guilty of starting this thread. ;-) Yes, I am. If it offends you, I'm sorry. But, I find it hard to read one-line e-mails, with 30 line disclaimers. This may be the wrong forum, but we are getting to much clutter due to disclaimers. I'm trying for a grass-roots campaign to eliminate them. But, to keep the respect up, this will be the last post/response from me. No more diatribe. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:28:14 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: I'm talking about an e-mail out of the blue from somebody who sent it to me unsolicited and now wants me to protect the content. If you don't want it disseminated, don't send it to me. By virtue of the fact that disclaimer is in the E-Mail, a lawyer might construe that as a reason to haul you in to court to explain why you disseminated that information. At this point, you're dealing with lawyers and courts. They haul you in for a hearing, the lawyer says he needs more time to collect data on you, the despicable character that you are. Continuance. You miss a day of work. Spend a vacation day in a courtroom. Your next court date comes up. You show up. The lawyer says he's having difficulty getting the proof that you're as despicable as he claims. Need another continuance. Another missed day of work. Another wasted vacation day. This goes on for months. Your boss finally gets tired of it and fires you. Your wife thinks you're an idiot for letting a stupid E-Mail destroy your career and divorces you. In the end, it doesn't cost the lawyer anything but time that he was going to be in court anyway. What does it cost you ??? And the best question, Is it really worth it ??? Just the threat of something like this happening is enough to scare some people. Even though you're right, you lose in the end. I'd rather spend my time doing other things. Like figuring out how to track and report JAVA activity on a z9 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Posting Etiquette [Was Disclaimers]
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Disclaimers Ted, I like you, but you're guilty of starting this thread. ;-) Yes, I am. If it offends you, I'm sorry. But, I find it hard to read one-line e-mails, with 30 line disclaimers. snip I think your complaint is really against posters that do not cut away unneeded/unnecessary junk/stuff in their postings. And so the flotsam and jetsam continues to collect at the bottom. And to that end, I agree. People need to cut the junk off a posting, only quoting what is germane to their comments. And should you be in DIGEST mode with this list, you would INSTANTLY understand the problem. Regards, Steve Thompson -- All opinions expressed by me are my own and may not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Disclaimers
Does anybody realise that you cannot issue prior restraint? You cannot legally enforce the fact that you cannot disseminate an e-mail that was sent to you, stating you can't send it from here! If an email was sent to you, unsolicited, you can do whatever you want with it. Sending to a list server is unsolicited. I know this is the law in Canada; I'm pretty sure it's the same in the US. As the Klingons say: if you don't want it heard, you shall not say it. I'm not sure, but I think this is a little bit on topic. If I'm wrong, then what's the purpose of contributingg? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
Ah, a John M. Ford fan. The Final Reflection - one of the best non-canon ST novels out there. I don't think it's an issue of prior restraint. It's an issue of no restraint whatsoever. However, taglines and disclaimers do at least provide a modicum of protection to the sender, if worded correctly, so that a message cannot be used as a legally binding agreement (and believe me, it's been tried) which can come back to bite the sender in the bee-hind. Frankly, I think that folks should try to have a bit of fun with those darn things, viz: The information contained in this e-mail message may be proprietary and/or confidential. Then again, it may not. It is for intended addressee(s) only, but can be read by anybody at the CIA, MI6, Mossad, the Tal'Shiar or the Obsidian Order. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution, bending, folding, spindling, mutilating, sautéing, roasting, deep-frying, or other Preparation (H) of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense, cause economies to fail, empires to fall, large cracks to appear in the Earth's surface and the end of all existence across the entire multiverse. Void where prohibited. Your mileage may vary. Auntie Em! Auntie Em! It's a Twister, It's a TWISTER! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 23:07 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Disclaimers Does anybody realise that you cannot issue prior restraint? You cannot legally enforce the fact that you cannot disseminate an e-mail that was sent to you, stating you can't send it from here! If an email was sent to you, unsolicited, you can do whatever you want with it. Sending to a list server is unsolicited. I know this is the law in Canada; I'm pretty sure it's the same in the US. As the Klingons say: if you don't want it heard, you shall not say it. I'm not sure, but I think this is a little bit on topic. If I'm wrong, then what's the purpose of contributingg? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
Lol, outstanding DocFarmer Scott -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doc Farmer Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Disclaimers Ah, a John M. Ford fan. The Final Reflection - one of the best non-canon ST novels out there. I don't think it's an issue of prior restraint. It's an issue of no restraint whatsoever. However, taglines and disclaimers do at least provide a modicum of protection to the sender, if worded correctly, so that a message cannot be used as a legally binding agreement (and believe me, it's been tried) which can come back to bite the sender in the bee-hind. Frankly, I think that folks should try to have a bit of fun with those darn things, viz: The information contained in this e-mail message may be proprietary and/or confidential. Then again, it may not. It is for intended addressee(s) only, but can be read by anybody at the CIA, MI6, Mossad, the Tal'Shiar or the Obsidian Order. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution, bending, folding, spindling, mutilating, sautéing, roasting, deep-frying, or other Preparation (H) of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense, cause economies to fail, empires to fall, large cracks to appear in the Earth's surface and the end of all existence across the entire multiverse. Void where prohibited. Your mileage may vary. Auntie Em! Auntie Em! It's a Twister, It's a TWISTER! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 23:07 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Disclaimers Does anybody realise that you cannot issue prior restraint? You cannot legally enforce the fact that you cannot disseminate an e-mail that was sent to you, stating you can't send it from here! If an email was sent to you, unsolicited, you can do whatever you want with it. Sending to a list server is unsolicited. I know this is the law in Canada; I'm pretty sure it's the same in the US. As the Klingons say: if you don't want it heard, you shall not say it. I'm not sure, but I think this is a little bit on topic. If I'm wrong, then what's the purpose of contributingg? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
Ah, a John M. Ford fan. The Final Reflection - one of the best non-canon ST novels out there I don't know how you figure that out, but yes I am. I've read them all. I was 9 when startrek went on the air (TOS) and have watched them all! But, my point is still the same. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
if worded correctly, so that a message cannot be used as a legally binding agreement (and believe me, it's been tried) which can come back to bite the sender in the bee-hind. My issue was never that. It's the implied liability of the recipient. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A new low in e-mail disclaimers (Was Re: Z9 Upgrade)
Ed Gould wrote: On Feb 14, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: --SNIP--- ---unsnip- Two biggest mistakes we ever made: letting doctors advertise and letting lawyers advertise. Can anyone in the US now watch TV without seeing at least 4 lawyers' ads in any hour? DISGUSTING!!! Which is worse watch an ad for a lawyer or watching an ad for Computer Associates (or Compuware?) Its obvious to me. IMHO the best idea is to get rid of all the ads i.e. by *not watching TV*. BTDT. It is also good idea to keep in topic. As CA or Cmpuware reputation could be considered as on-topic, the ads and opinion about lawyers are not. My $0.02 -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland My disclaimer (in polish) will be appended here: -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A new low in e-mail disclaimers (Was Re: Z9 Upgrade)
NB: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf Hi 100% right, it is our famous lawyers that came up with it and it gets added to our e-mail. Actually, Mr. Swanepoel didn't write that passage; either his e-mail client or some upstream mail server inserted that warning. But a link to a _2-page_ disclaimer???!!! What has the world sunk to. :-( I guess we have the lawyers to thank for this new development. Eric Kind Regards, Sarel Swanepoel Service Availability: Service Business Capacity Management South African Revenue Services Office: +27 (0)12 422 5033 Mobile: +27 (0)82 4927 321 Fax: +27 (0)12 422 6068 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A new low in e-mail disclaimers (Was Re: Z9 Upgrade)
Just be greatfull it's a URL and the whole document is not in the email!! Ron. On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:44:20 +0200, Sarel Swanepoel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NB: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Kill Thread!!! Re: [IBM-MAIN] A new low in e-mail disclaimers
Subject says it all. Darren -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A new low in e-mail disclaimers (Was Re: Z9 Upgrade)
On Feb 15, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Ron MacRae wrote: Just be greatfull it's a URL and the whole document is not in the email!! Ron. SNIP--- Probably it was tried and found out that it all went to bit bucket in the sky in the spam can:) Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
A new low in e-mail disclaimers (Was Re: Z9 Upgrade)
On 14 Feb 2008 07:32:35 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sarel Swanepoel) wrote: NB: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf Actually, Mr. Swanepoel didn't write that passage; either his e-mail client or some upstream mail server inserted that warning. But a link to a _2-page_ disclaimer???!!! What has the world sunk to. :-( I guess we have the lawyers to thank for this new development. Eric -- Eric Chevalier E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tulsagrammer.com Is that call really worth your child's life? HANG UP AND DRIVE! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A new low in e-mail disclaimers (Was Re: Z9 Upgrade)
--snip--- Actually, Mr. Swanepoel didn't write that passage; either his e-mail client or some upstream mail server inserted that warning. But a link to a _2-page_ disclaimer???!!! What has the world sunk to. :-( I guess we have the lawyers to thank for this new development. ---unsnip- Two biggest mistakes we ever made: letting doctors advertise and letting lawyers advertise. Can anyone in the US now watch TV without seeing at least 4 lawyers' ads in any hour? DISGUSTING!!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A new low in e-mail disclaimers (Was Re: Z9 Upgrade)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman --snip--- Actually, Mr. Swanepoel didn't write that passage; either his e-mail client or some upstream mail server inserted that warning. But a link to a _2-page_ disclaimer???!!! What has the world sunk to. :-( I guess we have the lawyers to thank for this new development. ---unsnip- Two biggest mistakes we ever made: letting doctors advertise and letting lawyers advertise. Can anyone in the US now watch TV without seeing at least 4 lawyers' ads in any hour? DISGUSTING!!! Not to mention the barrage of enhancement pill adverts. Wasn't Smiling Bob a dancing paperclip in a previous lifetime? :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A new low in e-mail disclaimers (Was Re: Z9 Upgrade)
On Feb 14, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: --SNIP--- ---unsnip- Two biggest mistakes we ever made: letting doctors advertise and letting lawyers advertise. Can anyone in the US now watch TV without seeing at least 4 lawyers' ads in any hour? DISGUSTING!!! Which is worse watch an ad for a lawyer or watching an ad for Computer Associates (or Compuware?) Its obvious to me. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:34:10 -0500, Martin Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone here know how to disable a company-inserted disclaimer such as the one below? Disclaimer appears on any message that includes an external ID in the TO: field. Mail system is Lotus. Disclaimer appears to be inserted by the mail server. Access to other mail systems is not allowed. Actually, I'm mildly surprised I have access to this list. Post via the web site for the list; http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=ibm-mainD=1H=0O=DT=1 Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
Post via the web site for the list; Could it actually be so easy? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disclaimers
Like most things, this will be in the archives. Nothing you can do - the waffle is usually added last thing as your mail heads out the door. Just accept you are going to piss of the whole world by posting. Merely your company exacting its pound of flesh. Shane ... From: Martin Kline Anyone here know how to disable a company-inserted disclaimer -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
