Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
---snip dinosaurs and chickens can coexist and each has a role to play. We differ as to what those roles are. I don't word process in Script That's unfortunate, because I find it to be more user friendly than, e.g., m$ word. ---unsnip--- I still use (on very rare occaisions) TEXT-360. Talk about dinosaurs.. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/15/2008 at 02:36 PM, Daniel McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: dinosaurs and chickens can coexist and each has a role to play. We differ as to what those roles are. I don't word process in Script That's unfortunate, because I find it to be more user friendly than, e.g., m$ word. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
Presumably z/Journal accepted advertising from Microsoft, and presumably z/Journal has an open advertising policy of some sort. Now, I wish all publications would be more explicit and label advertising more clearly. It sounds like at least a few people got confused and assumed this advertising represented z/Journal's editorial viewpoint because they didn't know it was advertising. In these sorts of cases some publications will add an explicit disclaimer such as: The following is a paid advertisement from Microsoft, and the views expressed are solely those of the advertiser. You are now leaving z/Journal BBC News, for example, puts the following disclaimer next to every external Web link: The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites. I don't know if z/Journal already did this, but I think I'd encourage such a label if not. However, I'm not the editor or publisher. I'm just a random subscriber with a personal opinion. z/Journal's owner has a payroll to make and bills to pay, so I think it's perfectly fine that they accept advertising from Microsoft or most anyone else, subject to some reasonable and universal advertising standards which I assume they already have. Heck, if Microsoft wants to provide some of the funding to keep z/Journal strong, and if z/Journal can then print more useful articles about *sensible* mainframe strategies, that's terrific. Just as long as there's a clean separation between editorial content and advertising, it's good. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
I agree with what everyone has said about z/Journal. I've gotten it for years and have gotten the notice about Mainframe Executive. I just thought it was interesting and a little strange that there were articles in z/Journal about moving legacy applications from the z system to Windows. Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Vaughan Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side I agree with Tom's comments on many levels. Bob has done a world of good for over 2 decades, at times providing the ONLY independent voice for mainframe users, starting from 4300 Quarterly all the way to z/Journal. He has done this often long before he had enough support to make it work, and as Tom said, he has been nothing but a strong voice and advocate for the mainframe community. He has also in fact has just started a brand new magazine called Mainframe Executive. This magazine is the very first avenue (trade show, magazine etc.) for information relevant to management levels at companies using mainframe hardware. It's a completely different approach without the technical content, to help mainframe executives cope in their world. You may want to subscribe your management team! Regards, Eric Vaughan -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Moulder Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side Bob Thomas is a personal friend of mine. That may cause you to just tune out immediately. I have always seen him as a friend to the mainframe. I feel sad for anyone that would let one article in a magazine negate the effect of years of other articles. z/Journal has helped the mainframe and will continue to do so as long as there is a mainframe. Tom Moulder -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Vaughan Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side Here is a response to this post from Bob Thomas, the publisher of z/Journal: To some mainframe users we will be considered untrustworthy mainframe bigots in IBM's pocket. While others will think we are selling out and in Microsoft's pocket. Hard to win sometime! But, what we really want to be is an independent source of information for users of IBM mainframe systems. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Samson Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side Tom, I just got the same e-mail and thought the same thoughts. With friends like these Kelman, Tom wrote: I just got an email titled “Legacy Modernization Spotlight”. When I clicked on the links in it they took me to articles that look like they’re in the online version of z/Journal but they’re sponsored by Microsoft and talk about converting from the mainframe to Microsoft servers. Is z/Journal dropping the z and becoming Widows Journal, or am I reading the articles wrong? Here is a web link that ends up going to the same articles. Once you get to the main page click on one of the articles under the heading “In‑Depth”. http://zjournal.tcipubs.com/issues/LegacyModernization04-08.html Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:03:11 -0500, Kelman, Tom wrote: I agree with what everyone has said about z/Journal. I've gotten it for years and have gotten the notice about Mainframe Executive. I just thought it was interesting and a little strange that there were articles in z/Journal about moving legacy applications from the z system to Windows. It is interesting, but I attribute it to the impending demise of most traditional print media. We used to get newspapers that were an inch thick on a normal week day. Today, they're 10 pages on a busy day. The Sunday paper used to barely fit in their little plastic bags. Now you can fit a whole month in one. These days you've got to take the advertising revenue where ever and when ever it comes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
dinosaurs and chickens can coexist and each has a role to play. That was difficult to write, but any computer is a tool of some kind. I don't word process in Script and I don't do my DR backups on a PC. Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems Programmer Information Communications Technology Crawford Company 4680 N. Royal Atlanta Tucker GA 30084 phone: 770-621-3256 fax: 770-621-3237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.crawfordandcompany.com Best Overall Third-Party Claims Administrator - 2007 Business Insurance Readers Choice Awards Consider the environment before printing this message. This transmission is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are NOT authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this communication, its attachments or any part of them. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this communication from all computers. This communication does not form any contractual obligation on behalf of the sender, the sender's employer, or the employer's parent company, affiliates or subsidiaries. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
Dino's get the munchies every now and then Chickens seem to be good fertilizers -Original Message- Daniel McLaughlin dinosaurs and chickens can coexist and each has a role to play. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
IBM should have an spotlight on legacy modernization for converting from windows to Linux on Z and z/OS. Maybe something about converting from SQL Server to a more enterprise class data base. Or touting the security and encryption services like PKI Services. Something Windows does without any real regard for security. Make it go both ways. Staying on z for the sake of staying on z isn't always a prudent decision. Neither is staying on wintel. Or something like reworking C# apps to work with CICS for response time concerns. Just a couple thoughts. There is a far larger base of people on wintel than on the mainframe. We should entice the masses. If our platform cannot stand the heat, we should exit the kitchen. Rob Schramm Sirius Computer Solutions -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
There is such a site with information on moving to z/OS, Linux on System z, and other mainframe operating systems: Destination z. You can start here: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/destinationz - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
I just got an email titled “Legacy Modernization Spotlight”. When I clicked on the links in it they took me to articles that look like they’re in the online version of z/Journal but they’re sponsored by Microsoft and talk about converting from the mainframe to Microsoft servers. Is z/Journal dropping the z and becoming Widows Journal, or am I reading the articles wrong? Here is a web link that ends up going to the same articles. Once you get to the main page click on one of the articles under the heading “In‑Depth”. http://zjournal.tcipubs.com/issues/LegacyModernization04-08.html Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. *
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
Tom, I just got the same e-mail and thought the same thoughts. With friends like these Kelman, Tom wrote: I just got an email titled “Legacy Modernization Spotlight”. When I clicked on the links in it they took me to articles that look like they’re in the online version of z/Journal but they’re sponsored by Microsoft and talk about converting from the mainframe to Microsoft servers. Is z/Journal dropping the z and becoming Widows Journal, or am I reading the articles wrong? Here is a web link that ends up going to the same articles. Once you get to the main page click on one of the articles under the heading “In‑Depth”. http://zjournal.tcipubs.com/issues/LegacyModernization04-08.html Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
Here is a response to this post from Bob Thomas, the publisher of z/Journal: To some mainframe users we will be considered untrustworthy mainframe bigots in IBM's pocket. While others will think we are selling out and in Microsoft's pocket. Hard to win sometime! But, what we really want to be is an independent source of information for users of IBM mainframe systems. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Samson Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side Tom, I just got the same e-mail and thought the same thoughts. With friends like these Kelman, Tom wrote: I just got an email titled “Legacy Modernization Spotlight”. When I clicked on the links in it they took me to articles that look like they’re in the online version of z/Journal but they’re sponsored by Microsoft and talk about converting from the mainframe to Microsoft servers. Is z/Journal dropping the z and becoming Widows Journal, or am I reading the articles wrong? Here is a web link that ends up going to the same articles. Once you get to the main page click on one of the articles under the heading “In‑Depth”. http://zjournal.tcipubs.com/issues/LegacyModernization04-08.html Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
Bob Thomas is a personal friend of mine. That may cause you to just tune out immediately. I have always seen him as a friend to the mainframe. I feel sad for anyone that would let one article in a magazine negate the effect of years of other articles. z/Journal has helped the mainframe and will continue to do so as long as there is a mainframe. Tom Moulder -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Vaughan Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side Here is a response to this post from Bob Thomas, the publisher of z/Journal: To some mainframe users we will be considered untrustworthy mainframe bigots in IBM's pocket. While others will think we are selling out and in Microsoft's pocket. Hard to win sometime! But, what we really want to be is an independent source of information for users of IBM mainframe systems. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Samson Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side Tom, I just got the same e-mail and thought the same thoughts. With friends like these Kelman, Tom wrote: I just got an email titled “Legacy Modernization Spotlight”. When I clicked on the links in it they took me to articles that look like they’re in the online version of z/Journal but they’re sponsored by Microsoft and talk about converting from the mainframe to Microsoft servers. Is z/Journal dropping the z and becoming Widows Journal, or am I reading the articles wrong? Here is a web link that ends up going to the same articles. Once you get to the main page click on one of the articles under the heading “In‑Depth”. http://zjournal.tcipubs.com/issues/LegacyModernization04-08.html Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
2008/4/14 Kelman, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just got an email titled Legacy Modernization Spotlight. When I clicked on the links in it they took me to articles that look like they're in the online version of z/Journal but they're sponsored by Microsoft and talk about converting from the mainframe to Microsoft servers. Is z/Journal dropping the z and becoming Widows Journal, or am I reading the articles wrong? Here is a web link that ends up going to the same articles. Once you get to the main page click on one of the articles under the heading In‑Depth. http://zjournal.tcipubs.com/issues/LegacyModernization04-08.html Maybe IBM would like to sponsor an issue that talks about how to move legacy Windows applications to a modern, System z environment. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
I agree with Tom's comments on many levels. Bob has done a world of good for over 2 decades, at times providing the ONLY independent voice for mainframe users, starting from 4300 Quarterly all the way to z/Journal. He has done this often long before he had enough support to make it work, and as Tom said, he has been nothing but a strong voice and advocate for the mainframe community. He has also in fact has just started a brand new magazine called Mainframe Executive. This magazine is the very first avenue (trade show, magazine etc.) for information relevant to management levels at companies using mainframe hardware. It's a completely different approach without the technical content, to help mainframe executives cope in their world. You may want to subscribe your management team! Regards, Eric Vaughan -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Moulder Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side Bob Thomas is a personal friend of mine. That may cause you to just tune out immediately. I have always seen him as a friend to the mainframe. I feel sad for anyone that would let one article in a magazine negate the effect of years of other articles. z/Journal has helped the mainframe and will continue to do so as long as there is a mainframe. Tom Moulder -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Vaughan Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side Here is a response to this post from Bob Thomas, the publisher of z/Journal: To some mainframe users we will be considered untrustworthy mainframe bigots in IBM's pocket. While others will think we are selling out and in Microsoft's pocket. Hard to win sometime! But, what we really want to be is an independent source of information for users of IBM mainframe systems. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Samson Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side Tom, I just got the same e-mail and thought the same thoughts. With friends like these Kelman, Tom wrote: I just got an email titled “Legacy Modernization Spotlight”. When I clicked on the links in it they took me to articles that look like they’re in the online version of z/Journal but they’re sponsored by Microsoft and talk about converting from the mainframe to Microsoft servers. Is z/Journal dropping the z and becoming Widows Journal, or am I reading the articles wrong? Here is a web link that ends up going to the same articles. Once you get to the main page click on one of the articles under the heading “In‑Depth”. http://zjournal.tcipubs.com/issues/LegacyModernization04-08.html Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
Hi: I have had the privilege of knowing Bob for several years and firmly believe that he is a promotor of IBM mainframes. Regards, Gene **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Has z/Journal gone to the dark side
I don't know if z/Journal has gone over to the dark side; maybe they're not just feeling the for/Z as strongly? ;-) Dave SaltSee the new SimpList(tm) rollover image at: http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm _ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
