Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series - NOT! (Redux)

2010-03-12 Thread Mark Baron 
Now that Lori has chimed in that the REDBOOKS are definitely NOT being
discontinued, let's all stop, take a deep breath, and move on.

Have a good weekend all 

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series - NOT! (Redux)

2010-03-12 Thread Lori Bideaux 
I am the manager for the Redbooks team.. and it IS a rumor. There is no
credence to it. We have been around for 40 years and hope to be around for
40 more.

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series - NOT! (Redux)

2010-03-12 Thread William Janulin 
Is there any chance that we can put this subject to bed, once and for
all???

Bill Janulin
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Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series - NOT! (Redux)

John Eells pisze:
> Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote:
>> In
>>
<119504539-1268167688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-127858958
2...@bda026.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>, 
>>
>> on 03/09/2010
>>at 08:48 PM, Ted MacNEIL  said:
>>
>>> Even after three IBM'rs said it wasn't happening,
>>
>> FSVO three. I saw several comments from IBM employees that they
didn't
>> know of any such plans; I did *not* see three comments that they knew
for
>> a fact that it wasn't true.
>>  
> 
> Shmuel, to repeat myself: There are no current plans to discontinue 
> funding for Redbooks.
> 
> This seems to be a topic that just won't die.  I'd sure like to be
able 
> to devote time to other things than this...
> 

Again?
First you wanted to remove MLA, now you back to very bad idea of closing

REDBOOK project? Why?

(it IS a joke)
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series - NOT! (Redux)

2010-03-12 Thread R.S. 

John Eells pisze:

Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote:

In
<119504539-1268167688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-12785895...@bda026.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>, 


on 03/09/2010
   at 08:48 PM, Ted MacNEIL  said:


Even after three IBM'rs said it wasn't happening,


FSVO three. I saw several comments from IBM employees that they didn't
know of any such plans; I did *not* see three comments that they knew for
a fact that it wasn't true.
 


Shmuel, to repeat myself: There are no current plans to discontinue 
funding for Redbooks.


This seems to be a topic that just won't die.  I'd sure like to be able 
to devote time to other things than this...




Again?
First you wanted to remove MLA, now you back to very bad idea of closing 
REDBOOK project? Why?


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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series - NOT! (Redux)

2010-03-12 Thread John Eells 

Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote:

In
<119504539-1268167688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-12785895...@bda026.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>,
on 03/09/2010
   at 08:48 PM, Ted MacNEIL  said:


Even after three IBM'rs said it wasn't happening,


FSVO three. I saw several comments from IBM employees that they didn't
know of any such plans; I did *not* see three comments that they knew for
a fact that it wasn't true.
 


Shmuel, to repeat myself: There are no current plans to discontinue 
funding for Redbooks.


This seems to be a topic that just won't die.  I'd sure like to be able 
to devote time to other things than this...


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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
In
<119504539-1268167688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-12785895...@bda026.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>,
on 03/09/2010
   at 08:48 PM, Ted MacNEIL  said:

>Even after three IBM'rs said it wasn't happening,

FSVO three. I saw several comments from IBM employees that they didn't
know of any such plans; I did *not* see three comments that they knew for
a fact that it wasn't true.
 
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
In
<1979091511-1268093909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-3009112...@bda026.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>,
on 03/09/2010
   at 12:18 AM, Ted MacNEIL  said:

>Perhaps you think that is funny?

Yes.

>When I make a misstatement on this site, I get dinged all the time.

Most of the time you get a free pass.
 
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-11 Thread Gord Tomlin 
If this was a forum instead of a listserv, an admin could have locked 
the topic and we could have moved on a long time ago. Oh, and that would 
also save everyone the trouble of snipping old posts, etc., from their 
messages, and save us from reading diatribes about replies at the top 
vs. replies at the bottom, and so on...


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Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote:

Well, the OP should review what he started and why, and we all should
consider preventing such a waste of bandwith and reading/replying time
in the future. We got better things to do (at least I have) and for
those who do have time for this, there are other fora .

Kees.


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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-11 Thread Donnelly, John P 
'The first denial lends credence to a rumor'

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-11 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM 
Well, the OP should review what he started and why, and we all should
consider preventing such a waste of bandwith and reading/replying time
in the future. We got better things to do (at least I have) and for
those who do have time for this, there are other fora .

Kees.


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> Sheesh, Timothy, see what you started?
> 
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht <
> elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Today's rumour: today is Friday! ;-D
> >
> > Groete / Greetings
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> >
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-11 Thread Ken Porowski 
 
You get that off you GPS?
 .
>
> Today's rumour: today is Friday! ;-D
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-11 Thread Rich Smrcina 
Sheesh, Timothy, see what you started?

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht <
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote:

>
>
> Today's rumour: today is Friday! ;-D
>
> Groete / Greetings
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-11 Thread George Henke 
Yes, the Six Sigma standard, go out 6 standard deviations from the mean
instead of the standard 3, is 3.4 defects in a million, instead of 1 in 370.

The Japanese definitely needed to create some defects.
Six Sigma is a recognized optimizing technique to achieve CMMI (Capability
Maturity Model Integration) level 5, nirvana, which model incidentally can
be traced back originally to a Bmer, Watts Humphery.



On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht <
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote:

> Timothy Sipples wrote:
> >... just the other day I heard a rumor that IBM would enter the hot dog
> manufacturing business in 2011.
>
> More rumours and jokes about IBM...
>
> http://www.snopes.com/humor/business/mouse.asp
>
> http://www.snopes.com/computer/program/stroustrup.asp
>
> http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/salted.asp
>
> http://www.snopes.com/quotes/kenolsen.asp
>
> And then there is my favourite rumour... ;-D
>
> "Apparently IBM decided to have some parts manufactured in Japan as a trial
> project. In the specifications, they set out that they will accept three
> defective parts per 10,000.
>
> When the delivery came in there was an accompanying letter.
>
> "We, Japanese people, had a hard time understanding North American business
> practices. But the three defective parts per 10,000 have been separately
> manufactured and have been included in the consignment. Hope this pleases
> you." .
>
> Today's rumour: today is Friday! ;-D
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-11 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht 
Timothy Sipples wrote:
>... just the other day I heard a rumor that IBM would enter the hot dog 
manufacturing business in 2011.

More rumours and jokes about IBM... 

http://www.snopes.com/humor/business/mouse.asp

http://www.snopes.com/computer/program/stroustrup.asp

http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/salted.asp

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/kenolsen.asp

And then there is my favourite rumour... ;-D

"Apparently IBM decided to have some parts manufactured in Japan as a trial 
project. In the specifications, they set out that they will accept three 
defective parts per 10,000.

When the delivery came in there was an accompanying letter.

"We, Japanese people, had a hard time understanding North American business 
practices. But the three defective parts per 10,000 have been separately 
manufactured and have been included in the consignment. Hope this pleases 
you." .

Today's rumour: today is Friday! ;-D

Groete / Greetings
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-11 Thread Timothy Sipples 
>We IBMers are officially denying it. Can we move on, now?

Almost. :-)

One more point: there are always a lot of crazy rumors floating around. For
example, just the other day I heard a rumor that IBM would enter the hot
dog manufacturing business in 2011. OK, no, I didn't hear that, but I could
have. There aren't enough minutes to refute all wacky rumors. It's just
impossible and ultimately pointless to attempt.

In short, non-denials are certainly *not* confirmations.

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-09 Thread Alan Altmark 
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 21:55:41 +, Ted MacNEIL  wrote:

>Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

We IBMers are officially denying it.  Can we move on, now? 

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-09 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
>I encourage everyone to just let it go  Inhale energy... exhale stress 
> Breathe!

I agree.

Unfortunately, once a statement is stated, people tend to believe it, 
regardless of the refutations.

It's akin to somebody being tried for a crime is automatically guilty of that 
crime.

Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-09 Thread Alan Altmark 
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:48:25 +, Ted MacNEIL  wrote:

>Even after three IBM'rs said it wasn't happening, some posters have still
said they
>are afraid of what it means.

Some people are obviously not reading through the entire thread before they
reply, a grade school mistake.  Let them be.

And some people may not believe us when we IBMers say "The rumor is false,"
but that's something the rest of us cannot control and need not worry about.

And still others can't resist saying, "but IBM said it was false!"  If the
above people don't believe the IBMers, they certainly won't believe anyone else.

I encourage everyone to just let it go  Inhale energy... exhale
stress  Breathe!

If the day ever comes that IBM stops publishing Redbooks for System z, we'll
all know and there won't be any doubt.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-09 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
>I have written more than a dozen, and I agree completely, including my vested 
>interest.

Unfortunately, once the rumour has started, it's difficult to refute.

Even after three IBM'rs said it wasn't happening, some posters have still said 
they are afraid of what it means.

People: it's not happening.
  it's hearsay.
  move on to real issues!
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-09 Thread Tom Russell 
>Date:Mon, 8 Mar 2010 07:37:12 +
>From:Martin Packer 
>Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

>Without going into the specifics I'd observe that there is a CONTINUAL 
>need for customers to tell IBM how much they value Redbooks. Likewise, 
>there's always a need for IBMers to articulate why Redbooks are very much 

>in IBM's own interest.

Hear hear!

>(I say this as someone who enormously enjoys WRITING Redbooks, and the 
>contacts and learning that flow from being involved in the writing. But 
>it's still true, despite my vested interest.)

I have written more than a dozen, and I agree completely, including my 
vested interest.

>Martin Packer,

Tom Russell

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-09 Thread Pat Mihalec 
I'm sorry to hear this news. Redbooks have sometimes been the only way I 
could get something to work.


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Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:43 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

>Enough ad hominem attacks on each other.
>It's actually 'hominum', but (as the target of some of them, for pointing 
out the flaws), I totally agree.
>While I'm big enough (and definitely old enough) to take a few insults, 
these attacks reduce the credibility of the arguments by posting attacks, 
rather than refinements of the debate.

Sorry, Ted.  It is "hominem."  Readers who prefer avoiding wearisome Latin 
grammar details may skip the next paragraph.

The nominative singular form "homo" is a third declension, masculine noun 
in Latin.  "Ad" is a Latin preposition requiring the accusative case when 
its meaning is "to", "toward", or "against".  The accusative singular of 
"homo" is "hominem" and not "hominum."  "Hominum" is genitive plural, and 
"ad" never governs the genitive case.  All five common cases in the 
singular for the noun "homo":  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declension "Ad 
hominum" is a common misspelling of "ad hominem":  
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad_hominum  Correct spelling and discussion 
of an "ad hominem" argument:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

All of the previous grammar discussion is non-debatable and would have 
soon been explained in somnifacient detail in a REDBOOK if only IBM had 
not so selfishly decided to discontinue publishing REDBOOKs, and has 
nothing to do with mainframes, as could be said of a large fraction of the 
posts regarding the original topic of this thread, which I fortunately 
have forgotten, otherwise I would not have yielded to the irresistible 
compulsion to post this off-topic post.

By the way, I have lost count of your posts on this thread since you 
promised not to post any more posts on this thread until an official 
statement from IBM:
"Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series 
From: Ted MacNEIL  
Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:43:28 + 
Content-Type: text/plain
>Anyways, this is the last I'm going to say on this until I hear an 
official >stance from IBM, either way."

I have seen several IBMers who allege that they have heard nothing on this 
topic, but, since none of them was IBM's Vice-President for legal affairs, 
I don't think we should accept their unproven denials "prima facie".

This post was not intended to be an "ad hominem" argument, but rather an 
"ad rem" indictment, albeit to a different "res", of how most of us 
posters post posts willy-nilly that are silly and that stray far afield 
from the original "res".  And, as you also pointed out in another non-"ad 
rem" post, we all waste a lot of bandwidth in so doing.  As further 
refinement of this debate would be oxymoronic, would someone PLEASE KILL 
THIS THREAD?

Oh, I forgot.  The means of killing useless threads has been discontinued 
along with REDBOOKS.


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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-09 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
1. Re: ad hominem -- I surrender -- it's been aeons since I studied Latin.

2. Re: continuing to post.
   a: I DID wait until I'd seen three very credible IBM'rs posted.
   b: Consistency is the hobgoblin of tiny minds.

3. Does any of this, including my 'ad' mistake, add to the discussion. Or, does 
it just decrease the signal-to-noise ratio? (8-{]}

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-09 Thread Bill Fairchild 
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Ted MacNEIL
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:43 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

>Enough ad hominem attacks on each other.
>It's actually 'hominum', but (as the target of some of them, for pointing out 
>the flaws), I totally agree.
>While I'm big enough (and definitely old enough) to take a few insults, these 
>attacks reduce the credibility of the arguments by posting attacks, rather 
>than refinements of the debate.

Sorry, Ted.  It is "hominem."  Readers who prefer avoiding wearisome Latin 
grammar details may skip the next paragraph.

The nominative singular form "homo" is a third declension, masculine noun in 
Latin.  "Ad" is a Latin preposition requiring the accusative case when its 
meaning is "to", "toward", or "against".  The accusative singular of "homo" is 
"hominem" and not "hominum."  "Hominum" is genitive plural, and "ad" never 
governs the genitive case.  All five common cases in the singular for the noun 
"homo":  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declension  "Ad hominum" is a common 
misspelling of "ad hominem":  http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad_hominum  Correct 
spelling and discussion of an "ad hominem" argument:  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

All of the previous grammar discussion is non-debatable and would have soon 
been explained in somnifacient detail in a REDBOOK if only IBM had not so 
selfishly decided to discontinue publishing REDBOOKs, and has nothing to do 
with mainframes, as could be said of a large fraction of the posts regarding 
the original topic of this thread, which I fortunately have forgotten, 
otherwise I would not have yielded to the irresistible compulsion to post this 
off-topic post.

By the way, I have lost count of your posts on this thread since you promised 
not to post any more posts on this thread until an official statement from IBM:
"Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series 
From: Ted MacNEIL  
Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:43:28 + 
Content-Type: text/plain
>Anyways, this is the last I'm going to say on this until I hear an official 
>>stance from IBM, either way."

I have seen several IBMers who allege that they have heard nothing on this 
topic, but, since none of them was IBM's Vice-President for legal affairs, I 
don't think we should accept their unproven denials "prima facie".

This post was not intended to be an "ad hominem" argument, but rather an "ad 
rem" indictment, albeit to a different "res", of how most of us posters post 
posts willy-nilly that are silly and that stray far afield from the original 
"res".  And, as you also pointed out in another non-"ad rem" post, we all waste 
a lot of bandwidth in so doing.  As further refinement of this debate would be 
oxymoronic, would someone PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD?

Oh, I forgot.  The means of killing useless threads has been discontinued along 
with REDBOOKS.


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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-09 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
>Enough ad hominem attacks on each other.

It's actually 'hominum', but (as the target of some of them, for pointing out 
the flaws), I totally agree.

While I'm big enough (and definitely old enough) to take a few insults, these 
attacks reduce the credibility of the arguments by posting attacks, rather than 
refinements of the debate.
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-09 Thread Mark Baron 
Ok all - 

Enough ad hominem attacks on each other.  There are lots of  IBMers who read
this thread and what we want them to see is intelligent discussion not
petulance.

Let's stay on topic.  If we want IBM to reply to the rumor I think we need
to keep this discussion at an intelligent level.

BTW - you can correspond with IBM REDBOOKS at redbo...@us.ibm.com.

I think the editors et. al. are physically located at the South Road
facility in Poughkeepsie.

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-09 Thread Tom Marchant 
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 00:18:45 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:

>Instead of attacking the debator, attack the debate.

Instead of attacking either the debate or the debater, debate.  In a debate
it is not necessary to continually restate what you have already said.

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
>Perhaps if you stopped taking the time to continue these things you could get 
>some gas?

Perhaps you think that is funny?

When I make a misstatement on this site, I get dinged all the time.

When I point out a misstatement, I get dinged all the time.

At least, I don't start rumours without credible sources.

Saying 'on good authority from a source within IBM' does us, and IBM, a 
disservice.

Just like a rumour, a while back, about an industry icon retiring, and he 
wasn't.

Since when is pointing out rumours with no foundation is wrong.

Instead of attacking the debator, attack the debate.

That's what I was doing.

And, if you don't like, nor see the humour in, my tag-line, it's not my problem.

PS: It's from the author of '7 Habits'.

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread Thompson, Steve 
Perhaps if you stopped taking the time to continue these things you
could get some gas?

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:45 PM
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Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

>it's a dumb idea to even consider discontinuing the Redbook Series

It would be a dumb idea, IFF (if and only if) IBM was considering this.

Three respected IBM'rs said they weren't.

Methinks:
A tempest in a teacup.
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
>it's a dumb idea to even consider discontinuing the Redbook Series

It would be a dumb idea, IFF (if and only if) IBM was considering this.

Three respected IBM'rs said they weren't.

Methinks:
A tempest in a teacup.
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread esst...@juno.com 
OK, so who do we send our emails to to let IBM know that it's a dumb idea to 
even consider discontinuing the Redbook Series? And should there be a generic 
subject line that gets the attention of those individuals and hopefully 
eliminates get washed in with all the other dirty laundry...


You can send an e-mail to: 
redbo...@us.ibm.com 
Lorie Bideaux

Mail comments to: 

IBM Corporation, International Technical Support Organization 
Dept. HYTD Mail Station P099 
2455 South Road 
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601-5400


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Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 03:56:15 -0800

OK, so who do we send our emails to to let IBM know that it's a dumb idea to 
even consider discontinuing the Redbook Series? And should there be a generic 
subject line that gets the attention of those individuals and hopefully 
eliminates get washed in with all the other dirty laundry...

--- On Mon, 3/8/10, Martin Packer  wrote:

From: Martin Packer 
Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 7:37 AM

Without going into the specifics I'd observe that there is a CONTINUAL 
need for customers to tell IBM how much they value Redbooks. Likewise, 
there's always a need for IBMers to articulate why Redbooks are very much 
in IBM's own interest.

(I say this as someone who enormously enjoys WRITING Redbooks, and the 
contacts and learning that flow from being involved in the writing. But 
it's still true, despite my vested interest.)

Martin Packer,
Mainframe Performance Consultant, 
Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM

+44-7802-245-584

email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread Rick Fochtman 

-
"Give a man a fish, and he will eat today. Teach a man how to fish, and 
he will feed himself."

---
"Give a man a fish and he will eat today. Teach a man how to fish and 
he'll sit in the boat drinking beer all day."


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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread Rick Fochtman 


Do you mean that you have been successful at keeping yourself fully 
occupied with plenty of work from clients eager to engage your services, 
or that you have been successful at putting yourself out of a job just 
as quickly as possible and at the least cost to them?

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I can't speak for George, but I work using the same philosophy and my 
clients are all very pleased. Word-of-mouth advertisement is very 
effective; high-quality and low cost results are definite assets and 
when a previous client vouches for that kind of service, prospective new 
clients are suitably impressed. High quality results, along with 
discretion and the highest level of demonstrable integrity and honesty 
are the best kind of advertising. And highly satisfied clients provide 
the best sources of advertising.


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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread McKown, John 

> 
> "Give a man a fish, and he will eat today.  Teach a man how 
> to fish, and
> he will feed himself."
> 

I prefer:

"Give a man a fish, and he will eat today.  Teach a man how to fish, and his 
wife will never see him on the weekends again."

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series - NOT!

2010-03-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
>there are no current plans to discontinue funding for Redbooks in 2011 or past 
>that.

IBM: 3
IBM-Main: 0
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
> Without identifying individuals I have it on good authority that IBM
> intended to stop developing the "REDBOOK" Series of publications.

Without identifying individuals, all you have is hearsay.

Anyways, this is the last I'm going to say on this until I hear an official 
stance from IBM, either way.
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series - NOT!

2010-03-08 Thread Paul Strauss 
I actually asked one of my friends that writes these manuals for IBM and he
confirmed it is a rumor. Can this put an end to these emails on the Redbook
subject?

Thank You,

Paul Strauss

Integrated Technology Delivery, Global Services, IBM
L0DB z/OS MVS/Program Products/Security
150 Kettletown Rd.
Southbury, CT 06488
(203) 272-2758
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  To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu  



  Date:   03/08/2010 11:09 AM   



  Subject:Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series - NOT!



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It was a nice weekend off, and *then* I checked IBM-MAIN...

I can understand why people might be upset over this rumor, but I asked
around, and there are no current plans to discontinue funding for
Redbooks in 2011 or past that.

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series - NOT!

2010-03-08 Thread John Eells 

It was a nice weekend off, and *then* I checked IBM-MAIN...

I can understand why people might be upset over this rumor, but I asked 
around, and there are no current plans to discontinue funding for 
Redbooks in 2011 or past that.


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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread George Henke 
The ;-) (wink) should say it all.

The great paradox is that when you try to serve the client and make him no
dependent on you by sharing as much information as possible, it is good
business, and he want you even more.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Bill Fairchild  wrote:

> Do you mean that you have been successful at keeping yourself fully
> occupied with plenty of work from clients eager to engage your services, or
> that you have been successful at putting yourself out of a job just as
> quickly as possible and at the least cost to them?
>
> Bill Fairchild
>
> Software Developer
> Rocket Software
> 275 Grove Street * Newton, MA 02466-2272 * USA
> Tel: +1.617.614.4503 * Mobile: +1.508.341.1715
> Email: bi...@mainstar.com
> Web: www.rocketsoftware.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf Of George Henke
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:36 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series
>
> My style has always been the opposite, to give my clients as much
> information as possible so they do NOT need me.
>
> I tell my clients that my job is to put myself out of a job just as quickly
> as possible and at the least cost to them".
>
> I have been very successful at it. ;-).
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread Chase, John 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of George Henke
> 
> They key to control is knowledge, withholding information.

Indeed.  Witness the "publick edjamacation racket".

> Have you ever had a plumber, electrician, or car mechanic, just shrug
his
> shoulders, give you a blank stare, or mutter some meaningless thing
whenever
> you start asking him legitimate questions?

I get that a lot from doctors.  :-)

> IT consultants have been known to do the same thing.
> 
> If you keep your clients dumb your will always be able to control,
push
> them around, tell them anything you want.

Like the "news" media?  From coverage of a non-airline plane crash a
decade or so ago came this:  "Witnesses said the single-engine plane
appeared to lose power in both engines."
 
> What's best of all you create a need, a dependency, for yourself.

Whole societies have arisen (and fallen) on that principle.

> My style has always been the opposite, to give my clients as much
> information as possible so they do NOT need me.

"Give a man a fish, and he will eat today.  Teach a man how to fish, and
he will feed himself."

> I tell my clients that my job is to put myself out of a job just as
quickly
> as possible and at the least cost to them".
> 
> I have been very successful at it. ;-).

:-)

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread Bill Fairchild 
Do you mean that you have been successful at keeping yourself fully occupied 
with plenty of work from clients eager to engage your services, or that you 
have been successful at putting yourself out of a job just as quickly as 
possible and at the least cost to them?

Bill Fairchild

Software Developer 
Rocket Software
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Tel: +1.617.614.4503 * Mobile: +1.508.341.1715
Email: bi...@mainstar.com 
Web: www.rocketsoftware.com

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
George Henke
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:36 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

My style has always been the opposite, to give my clients as much
information as possible so they do NOT need me.

I tell my clients that my job is to put myself out of a job just as quickly
as possible and at the least cost to them".

I have been very successful at it. ;-).
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread George Henke 
They key to control is knowledge, withholding information.

Have you ever had a plumber, electrician, or car mechanic, just shrug his
shoulders, give you a blank stare, or mutter some meaningless thing whenever
you start asking him legitimate questions?

IT consultants have been known to do the same thing.

If you keep your clients dumb your will always be able to control,  push
them around, tell them anything you want.

What's best of all you create a need, a dependency, for yourself.

My style has always been the opposite, to give my clients as much
information as possible so they do NOT need me.

I tell my clients that my job is to put myself out of a job just as quickly
as possible and at the least cost to them".

I have been very successful at it. ;-).

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 1:21 PM, esst...@juno.com  wrote:

> IBM REDBOOKS have been a rich source of information for Years.
> I have always directed new bees to the ABCs of MVS (all 12 Volumes)
> as a starting point.
>
> Without identifying individuals I have it on good authority that IBM
> intended to stop developing the "REDBOOK" Series of publications.
> My contact at IBM, stated that other IBMers displayed there resentment to
> dis-continuing the IBM REDBOOKS series.
>
> REDBOOKs do not only affect the Mainframe, they affect all other
> distributed platforms.
>
> Apparently the Bean Counters at IBM only understand numbers.
> How does one put a $ Value on Intellectual Capital ?
>
> The Discontinuance of the REDBOOK Series  has been postponed to 2011.
> 2010 will be the last Year for any New IBM REDBOOKS.
>
> This is a bad decision on IBMs part.
>
>
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>
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread Scott T. Harder 
Thanks, Bob, for the correction.  Sorry about that (doh!).

I agree and was going to add to my original reply an "if this is true..."
caveat, but for some reason I just went with it.  It did seem unlikely that
IBM would do this, but stranger things have happened.  I'm *very* happy that
it was just a rumor.

All the best,

Scott T. Harder
Mainframe Services, Inc.
Naples, FL

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
Of Bob Woodside
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:22 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

On Saturday 06 March 2010, Scott T. Harder wrote:
> Incredibly BAD idea.  It cannot be understated what a BAD idea this
> is.

s/understated/overstated/

There. Fixed that for you.

I'm with Ted, in that I'll withhold any further comment until we 
see an authoritative word from someone within IBM; but if true it bodes 
no good for anyone.


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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht 
Patrick Falcone wrote:

>so who do we send our emails to to let IBM know that it's a  idea 
to even consider discontinuing the Redbook Series?

There is a weekly newsletters from RedBooks. Are anything about 'discontinue' 
there?


Do you see anything on this page below?

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/zos_sods.html 


You could perhaps contact RedBooks people at this address:

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/pages/about?Open


Back to (unpaid) lurking ... ;-D

Groete / Greetings
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-08 Thread Patrick Falcone 
OK, so who do we send our emails to to let IBM know that it's a dumb idea to 
even consider discontinuing the Redbook Series? And should there be a generic 
subject line that gets the attention of those individuals and hopefully 
eliminates get washed in with all the other dirty laundry...

--- On Mon, 3/8/10, Martin Packer  wrote:

From: Martin Packer 
Subject: Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 7:37 AM

Without going into the specifics I'd observe that there is a CONTINUAL 
need for customers to tell IBM how much they value Redbooks. Likewise, 
there's always a need for IBMers to articulate why Redbooks are very much 
in IBM's own interest.

(I say this as someone who enormously enjoys WRITING Redbooks, and the 
contacts and learning that flow from being involved in the writing. But 
it's still true, despite my vested interest.)

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-07 Thread Martin Packer 
Without going into the specifics I'd observe that there is a CONTINUAL 
need for customers to tell IBM how much they value Redbooks. Likewise, 
there's always a need for IBMers to articulate why Redbooks are very much 
in IBM's own interest.

(I say this as someone who enormously enjoys WRITING Redbooks, and the 
contacts and learning that flow from being involved in the writing. But 
it's still true, despite my vested interest.)

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-07 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
>These would presumably be the same beancounters who decided that after almost 
>50 years, it would make sense to start charging hefty subsciption fees for 
>IBM's research journals last year. That was another "stupid, stupid idea", but 
>it hasn't been reversed, despite plenty of complaining here and
elsewhere..

Why is everybody assuming the dropping of RedBooks is true.
Why are we wasting our time.
So far, we have hearsay from a couple of non-IBM'rs, and an IBM'r saying it 
isn't so, joe.

Why waste the bandwidth on unsubstantiated chatter?

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-07 Thread Tony Harminc 
On 7 March 2010 12:00, Phil Smith III  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Ted MacNEIL  wrote:
> >Timothy Sipples recently posted that it was incorrect.
> >He is the first IBM'r to say something about these 'plans'.
> >Until I hear it from an official IBM source, it is a rumour.
>
> Or a "rumor", in the US :-)
>
> Count me firmly in the "this would be a stupid, stupid idea" camp. HOWEVER,
> here's the reason it might at least be on the table:
> - Redbooks cost money -- residencies, staff time, etc. that likely is not
> directly recovered by any paper copy sales
> - Books like the Dummies, "The Missing Manual", et al. provide the
> theoretical equivalent of Redbooks for other platforms
>
> Ergo, if you're a beancounter, it would be easy to say "Let's stop doing
> this for free and let the market figure it out".
>

These would presumably be the same beancounters who decided that after
almost 50 years, it would make sense to start charging hefty subsciption
fees for IBM's research journals last year. That was another "stupid, stupid
idea", but it hasn't been reversed, despite plenty of complaining here and
elsewhere..

Tony H.

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-07 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
>What we need to worry about is it becoming reality down the road.

The sky is falling!
The sky is falling!

When/if it becomes a reality, then I'll worry.
Otherwise, I have enough to worry about, right now!
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-07 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler 
li...@akphs.com (Phil Smith III) writes:
> So it's not quite as clear from the beancounter side of the street,
> since those last are impossible to quantify.
>
> But since both Timothy (on IBM-MAIN) and Alan (on IBMVM) have stated
> that there is no official statement of direction, then the good news
> is that it's not even a rumor at this point -- it's fiction. What we
> need to worry about is it becoming reality down the road.

problem is that bean counting frequently has 3month horizon ... which is
easy to quantify ... the impossible part is trying to extend past the
quarterly horizon  and it may have to constantly be repeated with
every new generation of bean counters.

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-07 Thread Phil Smith III 
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Ted MacNEIL  wrote:
>Timothy Sipples recently posted that it was incorrect.
>He is the first IBM'r to say something about these 'plans'.
>Until I hear it from an official IBM source, it is a rumour.

Or a "rumor", in the US :-)

Count me firmly in the "this would be a stupid, stupid idea" camp. HOWEVER, 
here's the reason it might at least be on the table:
- Redbooks cost money -- residencies, staff time, etc. that likely is not 
directly recovered by any paper copy sales
- Books like the Dummies, "The Missing Manual", et al. provide the theoretical 
equivalent of Redbooks for other platforms

Ergo, if you're a beancounter, it would be easy to say "Let's stop doing this 
for free and let the market figure it out".

What's missing, of course, is the intangible value to the entire IBM sales and 
support process of having Redbooks. Off the top of my head:
- increased commitment from customers who are involved in residencies
- reduced support costs when customers can figure things out themselves
- reduced documentation costs from Redbooks that replace major documentation 
updates, especially cross-document
- improved perception of usability, leading to more customer satisfaction and 
thus more sales

So it's not quite as clear from the beancounter side of the street, since those 
last are impossible to quantify.

But since both Timothy (on IBM-MAIN) and Alan (on IBMVM) have stated that there 
is no official statement of direction, then the good news is that it's not even 
a rumor at this point -- it's fiction. What we need to worry about is it 
becoming reality down the road.

...phsiii

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
In <20100306.132146.651...@webmail07.dca.untd.com>, on 03/06/2010
   at 06:21 PM, "esst...@juno.com"  said:

>Apparently the Bean Counters at IBM only understand numbers.

42. FSVO understand.

>You Comments

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-07 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
>Its Not a Rumor.
>IBM wanted to pull the plug this year.
>The Instructors at Marist College teach the Introduction To The New mainframe, 
>and were opposed to discontinuing the REDBOOK Series.

Timothy Sipples recently posted that it was incorrect.
He is the first IBM'r to say something about these 'plans'.
Until I hear it from an official IBM source, it is a rumour.

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-07 Thread esst...@juno.com 
Its Not a Rumor.
IBM wanted to pull the plug this year.
The Instructors at Marist College teach the Introduction To The New mainframe, 
and were opposed to discontinuing the REDBOOK Series.

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 02:14:46 +

>My contact at IBM, stated that other IBMers displayed there resentment to 
>dis-continuing the IBM REDBOOKS series.

Has anybody verified this through IBM channels?

While I believe that it would be a bad idea, I really have a problem with 
rumours started in forums like this.
And, I would prefer an attributed, reliable, and valid quote from somebody 
within IBM.
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-07 Thread Shane Ginnane 
Glad to hear it.
Allow me to say I'd be more than happy were money to be diverted internally to 
maintain ITSO 
contributions.

Shane ...

On Sun, Mar 7th, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Timothy Sipples  
wrote:

> Don't worry. Redbooks are continuing.
> 
> Let me tell you a random short story. Occasionally in any company
> somebody
> suggests a smart new money-saving idea, like cutting the paper budget
> to
> zero. After about 5 minutes, another somebody points out that paper
> is
> required for sales contracts, and the company wouldn't actually sell
> anything without some paper.

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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-07 Thread Timothy Sipples 
Don't worry. Redbooks are continuing.

Let me tell you a random short story. Occasionally in any company somebody
suggests a smart new money-saving idea, like cutting the paper budget to
zero. After about 5 minutes, another somebody points out that paper is
required for sales contracts, and the company wouldn't actually sell
anything without some paper.

- - - - -
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New, Advanced, and/or Innovative Solutions (VCT)
Based in Singapore & Serving the "Growth Markets"
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-06 Thread Rich Smrcina 

This second hand rumor absolutely needs to be confirmed first.

On 03/07/2010 12:07 AM, Ed Gould wrote:

*IF* that is true I would be unhappy as well.
This does sounds (to me) like SHARE should get involved perhaps at the board 
level to let IBM know how bad of an idea it is.

Ed





From: "esst...@juno.com"
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 12:21:46 PM
Subject: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

IBM REDBOOKS have been a rich source of information for Years.
I have always directed new bees to the ABCs of MVS (all 12 Volumes)
as a starting point.

Without identifying individuals I have it on good authority that IBM intended to stop 
developing the "REDBOOK" Series of publications.
My contact at IBM, stated that other IBMers displayed there resentment to 
dis-continuing the IBM REDBOOKS series.

REDBOOKs do not only affect the Mainframe, they affect all other
distributed platforms.

Apparently the Bean Counters at IBM only understand numbers.
How does one put a $ Value on Intellectual Capital ?

The Discontinuance of the REDBOOK Series  has been postponed to 2011.
2010 will be the last Year for any New IBM REDBOOKS.

This is a bad decision on IBMs part.


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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-06 Thread Ed Gould 
*IF* that is true I would be unhappy as well.
This does sounds (to me) like SHARE should get involved perhaps at the board 
level to let IBM know how bad of an idea it is.

Ed





From: "esst...@juno.com" 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 12:21:46 PM
Subject: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

IBM REDBOOKS have been a rich source of information for Years.
I have always directed new bees to the ABCs of MVS (all 12 Volumes) 
as a starting point.

Without identifying individuals I have it on good authority that IBM intended 
to stop developing the "REDBOOK" Series of publications. 
My contact at IBM, stated that other IBMers displayed there resentment to 
dis-continuing the IBM REDBOOKS series.

REDBOOKs do not only affect the Mainframe, they affect all other 
distributed platforms.

Apparently the Bean Counters at IBM only understand numbers.
How does one put a $ Value on Intellectual Capital ?

The Discontinuance of the REDBOOK Series  has been postponed to 2011.
2010 will be the last Year for any New IBM REDBOOKS.

This is a bad decision on IBMs part.


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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-06 Thread Scott 
It's a down economy and they want something to show stock holders (aka,
justify their own bonuses).  The useless salesmen crowed and IBM's history
repeated itself.  They've already raped and outsourced their technical
staff, so one of the few routes left is to (yet again) screw the customers,
eliminating the only resource that doesn't blow.

Scott

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Bob Woodside  wrote:

> On Saturday 06 March 2010, Scott T. Harder wrote:
> > Incredibly BAD idea.  It cannot be understated what a BAD idea this
> > is.
>
> s/understated/overstated/
>
>There. Fixed that for you.
>
>I'm with Ted, in that I'll withhold any further comment until we
> see an authoritative word from someone within IBM; but if true it bodes
> no good for anyone.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-06 Thread Bob Woodside 
On Saturday 06 March 2010, Scott T. Harder wrote:
> Incredibly BAD idea.  It cannot be understated what a BAD idea this
> is.

s/understated/overstated/

There. Fixed that for you.

I'm with Ted, in that I'll withhold any further comment until we 
see an authoritative word from someone within IBM; but if true it bodes 
no good for anyone.


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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
>My contact at IBM, stated that other IBMers displayed there resentment to 
>dis-continuing the IBM REDBOOKS series.

Has anybody verified this through IBM channels?

While I believe that it would be a bad idea, I really have a problem with 
rumours started in forums like this.
And, I would prefer an attributed, reliable, and valid quote from somebody 
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Re: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-06 Thread Scott T. Harder 
Incredibly BAD idea.  It cannot be understated what a BAD idea this is.
Somehow, I doubt we'll see a single opinion in favor on this list (or the
others, for that matter).

All I have to say is that they better re-write some of the "less than
optimal" manuals that are out there on important subjects and pieces of
hardware or software.  I know they are there; I just can't think of any off
the top of my head right now and don't have time to look it up.  I seem to
remember that there are numerous manuals where diligent research results in
dead ends... only to find out that the information you were looking for is
under some other much more obscure section title or a different manual
altogether.

What I always *loved* about Redbooks is the way they pulled everything
together and presented the information in an order that actually makes
sense.

All the best,

Scott T. Harder
Mainframe Services, Inc.
Naples, FL

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Subject: IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

IBM REDBOOKS have been a rich source of information for Years.
I have always directed new bees to the ABCs of MVS (all 12 Volumes) 
as a starting point.

Without identifying individuals I have it on good authority that IBM
intended to stop developing the "REDBOOK" Series of publications. 
My contact at IBM, stated that other IBMers displayed there resentment to
dis-continuing the IBM REDBOOKS series.

REDBOOKs do not only affect the Mainframe, they affect all other 
distributed platforms.

Apparently the Bean Counters at IBM only understand numbers.
How does one put a $ Value on Intellectual Capital ?

The Discontinuance of the REDBOOK Series  has been postponed to 2011.
2010 will be the last Year for any New IBM REDBOOKS.

This is a bad decision on IBMs part.


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IBM Plans to Discontinue REDBOOK Series

2010-03-06 Thread esst...@juno.com 
IBM REDBOOKS have been a rich source of information for Years.
I have always directed new bees to the ABCs of MVS (all 12 Volumes) 
as a starting point.

Without identifying individuals I have it on good authority that IBM intended 
to stop developing the "REDBOOK" Series of publications. 
My contact at IBM, stated that other IBMers displayed there resentment to 
dis-continuing the IBM REDBOOKS series.

REDBOOKs do not only affect the Mainframe, they affect all other 
distributed platforms.

Apparently the Bean Counters at IBM only understand numbers.
How does one put a $ Value on Intellectual Capital ?

The Discontinuance of the REDBOOK Series  has been postponed to 2011.
2010 will be the last Year for any New IBM REDBOOKS.

This is a bad decision on IBMs part.


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