Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
Sorry to resurrect an old post. I have read the thread with some interest. It focuses on Omegamon but my question is on IBM System Automation, another Tivoli product. Are there a lot of SA users on this list? If so what are your thoughts on implementation, maintenance, ease of use, documentation and support? Is it well-suited for basic automation functions - z/OS startup, shutdown, message automation, time facilities, etc.? I am interested mostly in the SysOps function. Paul P -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
Haven't they updated to support newer versions of the JRE? 1.6 is being rolled out now. 1.5 is pretty much mainstream. 1.4.2 is on the way out. Regards, Rob Schramm snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
I know. However, we started installing the IBM Tivoli products in October 2006 and the versions IBM sent us were 3.1. We spent all last year just getting everything up on all the distributed systems. We have a lot of problems and opened many PMRs with IBM. IBM was on site several times during the year. Now our two z/OS system programmers are working on upgrading from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.9 so anything to do with Tivoli is on the back burner. Maybe one of these days we'll get there. Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew McIntyre Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?) The OMEGAMON XE 41 level products that GA'ed in Oct 06 (and one in Jan 07) allow complete summarization and pruning with the TDW. Kelman, Tom wrote: Hmm, I just saw this thread. We had the old Candle Omegamon mainframe products here for several years before IBM bought them out. So our management got the brilliant idea that we'd expand on that and install the full Tivoli Monitoring suite. We currently have agents to monitor z/OS, DB2, CICS, and MQ Series on z/OS plus our AIX/OS systems along with DB2 UDB, ORACLE, MQ Series, MQ Broker, and WebSphere on AIX. We also have the Tivoli Data Warehouse which my management wants me to start using for capacity planning. However, with the release of Tivoli we are on the data warehouse processing isn't there yet. It won't summarize and prune the data coming from the z/OS systems so the detail data would keep growing unchecked thereby overrunning the database in no time. So I'm still using MXG to do capacity planning on z/OS and that's fine with me. However, once the release of Tivoli gets put in place that will do the summarization and pruning I'm afraid I'll be forced to use the data warehouse. The other stumbling block is that there is no built in facility for producing management reports from the data warehouse. The only way within Tivoli to access the data is via the TEP. To do real management reporting you have to get a reporting tool such as BIRT that will access a DB2 or Oracle database (the two formats used by the Tivoli Data Warehouse) to create your reports. IMHO the original Candle Omegamon product was designed to be an operational alerting and problem resolution tool, and it did that very well over the years. Now management, at least mine, wants the product to do everything and it's not making the grade. Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -- Andrew McIntyre - Consulting IT Specialist IBM System z(tm) Software Technical Sales SMPO (Software Migration Project Office) TMT (Tivoli Migration Team) 404-487-2477 or tie 546-2477 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SMPO http://www.ibm.com/software/solutions/softwaremigration NetView for z/OS http://www.ibm.com/tivoli/products/netview-zos/resources/nv390-update.ht ml System Automation for z/OS http://www.s390.ibm.com/sa -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives
Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
I'll respond to each item below starting with . Bruce Hewson wrote: Hello Andrew, And so we have a case of us customers being ignored... :-) The PC I use has only got Company mandated and wrapped products installed. You can use the TEP browser interface if you like, instead of the TEP Desktop Client, so there's no software to install on your PCs. We don't get to have any Tivoli product installed onto them.We cannot just install your lovely products onto these PCs..Let alone they would have to pay licence fees for such. The entire ITM code base (including DB2 UDB) comes free with each OMEGAMON XE license, and other Tivoli products as well. It also comes with the free z/OS Management Console. It runs on many platforms. The latest platform support is doc'ed here: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v15r1/topic/com.ibm.itm.doc/itm_install70.htm#plan_prereqs Hard to justify when we have the Omegamon product installed under z/OS... So there is no way I get to access Tivoli Enterprise Portal (TEP).. You are going to have to do far better to enable us poor z/OS Sysprogs access to software not running under z/OS Maybe if the whole Omegamon product suite was better documented, and that is one thing I do believe will improve now that it is IBM owned, we would be able implement TEP and Omegamon XE and JUSTIFY such extra costs for all Sysprogs and selected Application Programmers. (It may be simpler for you to code these new functions in these off-box products, but it is hard not to think they are just ways to make more money!) Include in all of this the pain of using ICAT to manage multiple system copies of the Omegamon product suites, it is no wonder I have not been able to investigate well the world of Omegamon outside of the classic interfaces. I have not got past performing a complete Run Time Environment rebuild every time we get a maintenance/release upgrade to our product set. The opportunities for regressed changes are immense. The first RTE is usually setup with ISPF ICAT, then if the rest of them are alike, you just run batch ICAT to clone them, then use ISPF ICAT to make any changes later on, if any are necessary. And yes, after any SMPE maintenance, there is a single xx#2 job you need to run for each RTE. However, this isn't really a rebuild, but simply a copy job. The same as Doug, I only use the VTAM interfaces to the Omegamon product suite -- Andrew McIntyre - Consulting IT Specialist IBM System z™ Software Technical Sales SMPO (Software Migration Project Office) TMT (Tivoli Migration Team) 404-487-2477 or tie 546-2477 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SMPO http://www.ibm.com/software/solutions/softwaremigration NetView for z/OS http://www.ibm.com/tivoli/products/netview-zos/resources/nv390-update.html System Automation for z/OS http://www.s390.ibm.com/sa -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:03:31 -0500, Andrew McIntyre wrote: I'll respond to each item below starting with . Bruce Hewson wrote: Hello Andrew, And so we have a case of us customers being ignored... :-) The PC I use has only got Company mandated and wrapped products installed. You can use the TEP browser interface if you like, instead of the TEP Desktop Client, so there's no software to install on your PCs. NOT true, Andrew! IBM/Tivoli TEP mandates the use of IBM Java 1.4.2 when you use the TEP browser interface. My company's standard Java is SUN's and TEP's use of IBM Java represents an abberation for our standards (plus more difficulty with external security mandates). TEP's requirement for 1.4.2 is at odds with other IBM software that requires 1.5, but that's another matter; my desktop has to support 2 Java vendors and that's at least one too many. -- Tom Schmidt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
Absolutely the first time you run the TEP browser client, it will automatically pull down (from the TEPS) and install the IBM JRE 142, which will coexist just fine with your other JREs. This hasn't been an issue that I've noticed anywhere. Tom Schmidt wrote: NOT true, Andrew! IBM/Tivoli TEP mandates the use of IBM Java 1.4.2 when you use the TEP browser interface. My company's standard Java is SUN's and TEP's use of IBM Java represents an abberation for our standards (plus more difficulty with external security mandates). TEP's requirement for 1.4.2 is at odds with other IBM software that requires 1.5, but that's another matter; my desktop has to support 2 Java vendors and that's at least one too many. -- Andrew McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mindspring.com/~amcintyr/resume.htm http://www.mindspring.com/%7Eamcintyr/resume.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
Bruce and other concerned folk: After much frustration I finally got thru to some folks at Tivoli and I believe I have worked thru some of the nuts and bolts (please note that I have not TRIED this yet, I may be happily walking into a trap). 1) Tivoli Enterprise Portal's (TEP) is where the end users sit, usually a PC with Windows or Linux. bit may be others. It may have Tivoli Java Client installed on it allowing it to talk to TEPS and TEMS (see below), OR it may just have an IE Web browser (No Firefox yet) and use that to talk to the TEPS. 2) Tivoli Enterprise Portal Server (TEPS) does not seem to have much use unless it is being used for its built in Web server to interface to the TEMS 3) Tivoli Enterprise Monitoring Server (TEMS) talks to the actual system(s) and the Tivoli Agents (TMA) being monitored. 4) The Tivoli products actually running on monitored systems are called Omegamon XE Monitoring Agents in the case of ZOS, or for other systems Tivoli Monitoring Agents (TMA). (Note: NOT Tycho Magnetic Anomaly :- ) You CAN put TEP Client, TEPS, and TEMS all on the same PC box running Win, Linux, UX etc. Perhaps on your own PC. Great for testing. Pain in the Neck when it comes time to move it to a server in the Data Center. I am going to try to put the TEPS and TEMS on a Linux server which will go in the data Center. And use access it from the TEP via the IE Browser interface on TEPS. This way I do not have to worry about updating TPE Java Clients on folks PC's. Note that I have not even looked at REMOTE TEMS's since we only have Tivoli on a single system, z/OS. Too expensive for other systems (maybe for zOS too). Nor have I addressed the Tivoli Data Warehouse which is used for Historical reporting. I know and love Barry Merril and his very fantastical MXG product. If I want history, MXG and SAS will get it just fine, thank-you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:56:51 -0500, Andrew McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] M.COM wrote: Absolutely the first time you run the TEP browser client, it will automatically pull down (from the TEPS) and install the IBM JRE 142, which will coexist just fine with your other JREs. This hasn't been an issue that I've noticed anywhere. ... It was very definitely a problem at our shop. A bunch of us - those that could get our Lords of Configurations to unlock our locked-down PCs - had to delete a number of incompatable JREs (both newer and older than 1.4.2) before we could use browser access to the TEP. There was something that required the newer level. I don't remember what it was, but we had to do without. (I didn't use it anyway.) Those that could not get their PCs unlocked had to do without TEP access. That was over a year ago so maybe it has been addressed, but it's just plain wrong to imply it never happened! Not noticing it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
Hmm, I just saw this thread. We had the old Candle Omegamon mainframe products here for several years before IBM bought them out. So our management got the brilliant idea that we'd expand on that and install the full Tivoli Monitoring suite. We currently have agents to monitor z/OS, DB2, CICS, and MQ Series on z/OS plus our AIX/OS systems along with DB2 UDB, ORACLE, MQ Series, MQ Broker, and WebSphere on AIX. We also have the Tivoli Data Warehouse which my management wants me to start using for capacity planning. However, with the release of Tivoli we are on the data warehouse processing isn't there yet. It won't summarize and prune the data coming from the z/OS systems so the detail data would keep growing unchecked thereby overrunning the database in no time. So I'm still using MXG to do capacity planning on z/OS and that's fine with me. However, once the release of Tivoli gets put in place that will do the summarization and pruning I'm afraid I'll be forced to use the data warehouse. The other stumbling block is that there is no built in facility for producing management reports from the data warehouse. The only way within Tivoli to access the data is via the TEP. To do real management reporting you have to get a reporting tool such as BIRT that will access a DB2 or Oracle database (the two formats used by the Tivoli Data Warehouse) to create your reports. IMHO the original Candle Omegamon product was designed to be an operational alerting and problem resolution tool, and it did that very well over the years. Now management, at least mine, wants the product to do everything and it's not making the grade. Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mattson Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?) Bruce and other concerned folk: After much frustration I finally got thru to some folks at Tivoli and I believe I have worked thru some of the nuts and bolts (please note that I have not TRIED this yet, I may be happily walking into a trap). 1) Tivoli Enterprise Portal's (TEP) is where the end users sit, usually a PC with Windows or Linux. bit may be others. It may have Tivoli Java Client installed on it allowing it to talk to TEPS and TEMS (see below), OR it may just have an IE Web browser (No Firefox yet) and use that to talk to the TEPS. 2) Tivoli Enterprise Portal Server (TEPS) does not seem to have much use unless it is being used for its built in Web server to interface to the TEMS 3) Tivoli Enterprise Monitoring Server (TEMS) talks to the actual system(s) and the Tivoli Agents (TMA) being monitored. 4) The Tivoli products actually running on monitored systems are called Omegamon XE Monitoring Agents in the case of ZOS, or for other systems Tivoli Monitoring Agents (TMA). (Note: NOT Tycho Magnetic Anomaly :- ) You CAN put TEP Client, TEPS, and TEMS all on the same PC box running Win, Linux, UX etc. Perhaps on your own PC. Great for testing. Pain in the Neck when it comes time to move it to a server in the Data Center. I am going to try to put the TEPS and TEMS on a Linux server which will go in the data Center. And use access it from the TEP via the IE Browser interface on TEPS. This way I do not have to worry about updating TPE Java Clients on folks PC's. Note that I have not even looked at REMOTE TEMS's since we only have Tivoli on a single system, z/OS. Too expensive for other systems (maybe for zOS too). Nor have I addressed the Tivoli Data Warehouse which is used for Historical reporting. I know and love Barry Merril and his very fantastical MXG product. If I want history, MXG and SAS will get it just fine, thank-you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender
Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
IMHO the original Candle Omegamon product was designed to be an operational alerting and problem resolution tool, and it did that very well over the years. Now management, at least mine, wants the product to do everything and it's not making the grade. I agree. OMEGAMON, ITM, the old Landmark monitor, SDSF, et al, are operational. You need a PERFMAN, RMF, MXG, NeuMICS, Best/1, etc solution to do capacity planning. But, remember: IT is finding the right wrench to drive in the correct screw! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
Just fyi, ITM 62, which GA'ed in December 2007, now ships with IBM JRE 15. Tom Schmidt wrote: NOT true, Andrew! IBM/Tivoli TEP mandates the use of IBM Java 1.4.2 when you use the TEP browser interface. My company's standard Java is SUN's and TEP's use of IBM Java represents an abberation for our standards (plus more difficulty with external security mandates). TEP's requirement for 1.4.2 is at odds with other IBM software that requires 1.5, but that's another matter; my desktop has to support 2 Java vendors and that's at least one too many. -- Andrew McIntyre - Consulting IT Specialist IBM System z™ Software Technical Sales SMPO (Software Migration Project Office) TMT (Tivoli Migration Team) 404-487-2477 or tie 546-2477 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SMPO http://www.ibm.com/software/solutions/softwaremigration NetView for z/OS http://www.ibm.com/tivoli/products/netview-zos/resources/nv390-update.html System Automation for z/OS http://www.s390.ibm.com/sa -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
Pat, I meant I haven't noticed it because of all the installs I've done, it hasn't been a problem. I personally have three levels of the SUN JRE and two levels of the IBM JRE on my PC and they all get along just fine with each other. They are each used by whatever product points to their directory. I'm certainly not an expert in this area but I have always assumed it's just a fact of life with Java software. Patrick O'Keefe wrote: It was very definitely a problem at our shop. A bunch of us - those that could get our Lords of Configurations to unlock our locked-down PCs - had to delete a number of incompatable JREs (both newer and older than 1.4.2) before we could use browser access to the TEP. There was something that required the newer level. I don't remember what it was, but we had to do without. (I didn't use it anyway.) Those that could not get their PCs unlocked had to do without TEP access. That was over a year ago so maybe it has been addressed, but it's just plain wrong to imply it never happened! Not noticing it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Andrew McIntyre - Consulting IT Specialist IBM System z™ Software Technical Sales SMPO (Software Migration Project Office) TMT (Tivoli Migration Team) 404-487-2477 or tie 546-2477 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SMPO http://www.ibm.com/software/solutions/softwaremigration NetView for z/OS http://www.ibm.com/tivoli/products/netview-zos/resources/nv390-update.html System Automation for z/OS http://www.s390.ibm.com/sa -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
The OMEGAMON XE 41 level products that GA'ed in Oct 06 (and one in Jan 07) allow complete summarization and pruning with the TDW. Kelman, Tom wrote: Hmm, I just saw this thread. We had the old Candle Omegamon mainframe products here for several years before IBM bought them out. So our management got the brilliant idea that we'd expand on that and install the full Tivoli Monitoring suite. We currently have agents to monitor z/OS, DB2, CICS, and MQ Series on z/OS plus our AIX/OS systems along with DB2 UDB, ORACLE, MQ Series, MQ Broker, and WebSphere on AIX. We also have the Tivoli Data Warehouse which my management wants me to start using for capacity planning. However, with the release of Tivoli we are on the data warehouse processing isn't there yet. It won't summarize and prune the data coming from the z/OS systems so the detail data would keep growing unchecked thereby overrunning the database in no time. So I'm still using MXG to do capacity planning on z/OS and that's fine with me. However, once the release of Tivoli gets put in place that will do the summarization and pruning I'm afraid I'll be forced to use the data warehouse. The other stumbling block is that there is no built in facility for producing management reports from the data warehouse. The only way within Tivoli to access the data is via the TEP. To do real management reporting you have to get a reporting tool such as BIRT that will access a DB2 or Oracle database (the two formats used by the Tivoli Data Warehouse) to create your reports. IMHO the original Candle Omegamon product was designed to be an operational alerting and problem resolution tool, and it did that very well over the years. Now management, at least mine, wants the product to do everything and it's not making the grade. Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -- Andrew McIntyre - Consulting IT Specialist IBM System z™ Software Technical Sales SMPO (Software Migration Project Office) TMT (Tivoli Migration Team) 404-487-2477 or tie 546-2477 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SMPO http://www.ibm.com/software/solutions/softwaremigration NetView for z/OS http://www.ibm.com/tivoli/products/netview-zos/resources/nv390-update.html System Automation for z/OS http://www.s390.ibm.com/sa -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
Hello Andrew, install the IBM JRE 142 - stop right here! I don't have Administrator rights on my work PC. And I am not permitted to install software that has not been processed/validated/wrapped by another team. lastly, I am not certain we are licensed to the Omegamon XE products. On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:56:51 -0500, Andrew McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] M.COM wrote: Absolutely the first time you run the TEP browser client, it will automatically pull down (from the TEPS) and install the IBM JRE 142, which will coexist just fine with your other JREs. This hasn't been an issue that I've noticed anywhere. Regards Bruce Hewson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short) (was: Is IBM/Tivoli turning into CA?)
Hello Andrew, And so we have a case of us customers being ignored... :-) The PC I use has only got Company mandated and wrapped products installed. We don't get to have any Tivoli product installed onto them.We cannot just install your lovely products onto these PCs..Let alone they would have to pay licence fees for such. Hard to justify when we have the Omegamon product installed under z/OS... So there is no way I get to access Tivoli Enterprise Portal (TEP).. You are going to have to do far better to enable us poor z/OS Sysprogs access to software not running under z/OS Maybe if the whole Omegamon product suite was better documented, and that is one thing I do believe will improve now that it is IBM owned, we would be able implement TEP and Omegamon XE and JUSTIFY such extra costs for all Sysprogs and selected Application Programmers. (It may be simpler for you to code these new functions in these off-box products, but it is hard not to think they are just ways to make more money!) Include in all of this the pain of using ICAT to manage multiple system copies of the Omegamon product suites, it is no wonder I have not been able to investigate well the world of Omegamon outside of the classic interfaces. I have not got past performing a complete Run Time Environment rebuild every time we get a maintenance/release upgrade to our product set. The opportunities for regressed changes are immense. The same as Doug, I only use the VTAM interfaces to the Omegamon product suite. On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:39:06 -0500, Andrew McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Fuerst wrote: ICKY. So I have to put in the XE piece and access the TEMS to look at anything. The setup for that has pretty bad and confusing documentation, and is an unwieldy implementation. Besides, I was told by Omegamon support that there was nothing in the GUI that I couldn't get to in the VTAM classic sessions, it would just look better and could be analyzed using Excel and the like. Did it occur to anyone in Omegamon support that I might like to look at the TSO/VTAM CUA type display? I GUESS NOT Doug I certainly don't want to step into a messy thread here (why do I feel that it's to late?) but here goes The XE levels of the V41 OMEGAMONs are where all the power of the products are. They allow you to use the Tivoli Enterprise Portal (TEP) and it's single pane of glass architecture to combine distributed monitoring and System z OMEGAMONs all on one GUI. The overall technology is called IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM for short). Once you are comfortable with the attributes (metrics), workspaces, situations and queries of one product, you can jump over to any other product without any problems. As far as VTAM monitoring, the OMEGAMON XE for Mainframe Networks includes the MFN II (CUA) 3270 based product, which still provides VTAM monitoring. However, there are a lot more features available if you implement the XE agent and the TEP. For instance, FTP session monitoring and VTAM EE and HPR connection. Here's the latest ITM doc, which has some excellent manuals in it. Especially the installation manual: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v15r1/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.itm.doc/understand.htm -- Andrew McIntyre - Consulting IT Specialist IBM System z Software Technical Sales SMPO (Software Migration Project Office) TMT (Tivoli Migration Team) 404-487-2477 or tie 546-2477 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
