Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech firms -----> OT

[Scott Ford]

Linda,
 
Its an interesting article. I worked for one of the Top 5 companies in the 
world for 7+ yrs and also was European based for awhile before I came back to 
USA and
started consulting

Scott J Ford
Software Engineer
http://www.identityforge.com
 



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Hi Jim, 



Not in the UK, never been there.  I do like the BBC website.  

Linda 

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List ... my apologies ... just a quick question if I may. 

Linda .. are you in the UK ?? and if so .. where ??. 


Kind Regards 

Jim Thomas 
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Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech firms -----> OT -----> List .. my apologies.

[Aled Hughes]

Linda/Jim

The Crown and Greyhound... locally known as the Dog! Spent many a £ there in 
the 1970s! Last visited about 20 years back. Don't know if it's still there 
under that name though! Probably some fancy stupid name like 'The Ref and 
Whistle'. Very famous resident in the area today is Lady Thatcher. 

Dulwich always was the upmarket part of South (Sarf) London. 

Sorry to the rest of you not quite Florida is it. 

Cheers!

ALH



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From: Jim Thomas 
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Sent: Sun, Oct 2, 2011 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech 
firms -> OT -> List .. my apologies.


Hello Linda,
College rd... close to the Dulwich park and that pub at the entrance 
hat I do not remember the name of.  
In all honesty, all I can remember now is taking the #12 (LRT) all 
he way to almost the very end of the line.  
Did know people on Underhill rd. too. IIRC, I think me then GP had
is office off of Underhill rd. 
My apologies ... have not been home for since the 80's.
Kind Regards
Jim Thomas
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irms -> OT
Hi Jim, 

No need for apologies, I didn't mind the question at all.  If you don't mind my 
 
sking, where is Dulwich? 

Thanks, 

Linda 
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ubject: Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech 
irms -> OT 
My apologies Ma'am, 
In the US but was raised in Dulwich, hence my question.   

ind Regards 
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irms -> OT 
Hi Jim, 

Not in the UK, never been there.  I do like the BBC website.   
Linda 
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ubject: Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech 
irms -> OT 
List ... my apologies ... just a quick question if I may. 
Linda .. are you in the UK ?? and if so .. where ??. 

ind Regards 
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Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech firms -----> OT

[Jim Thomas]

Ma'am,

My apologies ... SE London.

Kind Regards

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Subject: Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech 
firms -> OT

Hi Jim, 



No need for apologies, I didn't mind the question at all.  If you don't mind my 
 asking, where is Dulwich? 



Thanks, 



Linda 

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Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 9:14:56 PM 
Subject: Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech 
firms -> OT 

My apologies Ma'am, 

In the US but was raised in Dulwich, hence my question.   


Kind Regards 

Jim Thomas 
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636-294-1014(res) 
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Subject: Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech 
firms -> OT 

Hi Jim, 



Not in the UK, never been there.  I do like the BBC website.   

Linda 

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From: "Jim Thomas"  
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Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 7:53:52 PM 
Subject: Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech 
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List ... my apologies ... just a quick question if I may. 

Linda .. are you in the UK ?? and if so .. where ??. 


Kind Regards 

Jim Thomas 
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636-294-1014(res) 
j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email) 

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Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech firms -----> OT -----> List .. my apologies.

[Jim Thomas]

Hello Linda,

College rd... close to the Dulwich park and that pub at the entrance 
that I do not remember the name of.  

In all honesty, all I can remember now is taking the #12 (LRT) all 
the way to almost the very end of the line.  

Did know people on Underhill rd. too. IIRC, I think me then GP had
his office off of Underhill rd. 

My apologies ... have not been home for since the 80's.

Kind Regards

Jim Thomas
617-233-4130 (mobile)
636-294-1014(res)
j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email)

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Subject: Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech 
firms -> OT

Hi Jim, 



No need for apologies, I didn't mind the question at all.  If you don't mind my 
 asking, where is Dulwich? 



Thanks, 



Linda 

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From: "Jim Thomas"  
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Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 9:14:56 PM 
Subject: Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech 
firms -> OT 

My apologies Ma'am, 

In the US but was raised in Dulwich, hence my question.   


Kind Regards 

Jim Thomas 
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636-294-1014(res) 
j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email) 

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Subject: Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech 
firms -> OT 

Hi Jim, 



Not in the UK, never been there.  I do like the BBC website.   

Linda 

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From: "Jim Thomas"  
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Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 7:53:52 PM 
Subject: Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech 
firms -> OT 

List ... my apologies ... just a quick question if I may. 

Linda .. are you in the UK ?? and if so .. where ??. 


Kind Regards 

Jim Thomas 
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Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech firms -----> OT

[Linda Mooney]

Hi Jim, 



No need for apologies, I didn't mind the question at all.  If you don't mind 
my  asking, where is Dulwich? 



Thanks, 



Linda 

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From: "Jim Thomas"  
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Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 9:14:56 PM 
Subject: Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech 
firms -> OT 

My apologies Ma'am, 

In the US but was raised in Dulwich, hence my question.   


Kind Regards 

Jim Thomas 
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firms -> OT 

Hi Jim, 



Not in the UK, never been there.  I do like the BBC website.   

Linda 

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List ... my apologies ... just a quick question if I may. 

Linda .. are you in the UK ?? and if so .. where ??. 


Kind Regards 

Jim Thomas 
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Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech firms -----> OT

[Jim Thomas]

My apologies Ma'am,

In the US but was raised in Dulwich, hence my question.  


Kind Regards

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firms -> OT

Hi Jim, 



Not in the UK, never been there.  I do like the BBC website.  

Linda 

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List ... my apologies ... just a quick question if I may. 

Linda .. are you in the UK ?? and if so .. where ??. 


Kind Regards 

Jim Thomas 
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Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech firms -----> OT

[Linda Mooney]

Hi Jim, 



Not in the UK, never been there.  I do like the BBC website.  

Linda 

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List ... my apologies ... just a quick question if I may. 

Linda .. are you in the UK ?? and if so .. where ??. 


Kind Regards 

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Re: Interesting article today on the BBC website about the top tech firms -----> OT

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List ... my apologies ... just a quick question if I may.

Linda .. are you in the UK ?? and if so .. where ??.


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Interesting article, with a funny subtitle

[McKown, John]

It's not about the mainframe, but usable by mainframers.

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/manage-operationalrrequirements-for-production/index.html

But the title:


Manage operational requirements for production.
Four steps to ensure that Development and Operations teams agree on 
nonfunctional requirements


"nonfunctional requirements"?? By disfunctional programmers? I get what they 
are meaning. But the phraseology is amusing to this old man.

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Re: Interesting article on the future of mainframe programming and support personnel

[Howard Brazee]

On 16 Sep 2009 14:27:57 -0700, gerh...@valley.net (Gerhard
Postpischil) wrote:

>Ian wrote:
>> Take a moment and participate in the poll: http://www.cicsworld.com/
>
>Like many a poll, it's missing some alternatives, making the 
>results questionable. Just some quick additions:  "I'm 
>semi-retired, doing occasional consulting work" or "I'm already 
>retired" or "I'm retired but do occasional pro bono work" or 
>"I'm not retiring, but changing careers (perhaps to politician "

I'm qualified to retire - when I retire is dependent mostly upon my
health, but real estate, gas prices, how much I like working in the
new system, etc..There are variables within my health - for
instance, if I can't play golf, I won't need as much money.


All of the following (from the survey) demand that I can predict those
variables.   I could throw dice to come up with an answer, I suppose.

Within 6 months.
6 months to a year
1 to 2 years away
3 to 5 years away
6 to 10 years away
More than 10 years away
I'm semi-retired, doing occasional consulting work
I am retired.

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Re: Interesting article on the future of mainframe programming and support personnel

[Patrick O'Keefe]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:38:44 -0500, Ian  
wrote:

>...
>Thanks Gerhard,  leaving out an option for retirees was an omission.
> I've added 2 option.

Unfortunately, the really important missing options are 
"Already retired and no longer taking mainframe-related surveys"
and
"Dead"

(And no, I'm not trying to make a very tasteless joke.   Not this
time.)

This survey will not show how much of the mainframe workforce 
has already shrunk due to people completely moving out of the 
field or (unfortunately) dying.  I think that is a significant number of 
those in the profession when people started publicly worrying 
about the "greying" problem 10 years ago or so.

Pat O'Keefe
 

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Re: Interesting article on the future of mainframe programming and support personnel

[Gerhard Postpischil]

Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
Has anybody tried voting twice?  I decided not to since there was 
only 1 vote in my bucket.  (If I'd been more on the ball I'd have 
noted which the largest bucket and would have tried to add another

vote to it - less of a misleading impact that way (unless that's why
it was the largest - everybody threw an extra vote into it).


It appears to keep track of addresses - when I went back, I got 
the results page, with no opportunity to cast another vote, or 
change a prior answer.



Gerhard Postpischil
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Re: Interesting article on the future of mainframe programming and support personnel

[Patrick O'Keefe]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:26:12 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil 
 wrote:

>Ian wrote:
>> Take a moment and participate in the poll: 
http://www.cicsworld.com/
>
>Like many a poll, it's missing some alternatives, making the
>results questionable. ...

I think the results would be pretty questionable anyway.
Except for one pretty large poll:
   If you are a Mainframe Programmer, Systems Programmer or   
   Designer... What is your age groups? - 1325 votes - closed
the most responses they've had was 206.  They don't get much 
participation.  And if the current poll is any example, they don't 
collect any demographic information.  There is no way to tell if they
get reasonable cross-section of the community.  (And I wouldn't know
how to tell anyway.)

Has anybody tried voting twice?  I decided not to since there was 
only 1 vote in my bucket.  (If I'd been more on the ball I'd have 
noted which the largest bucket and would have tried to add another
vote to it - less of a misleading impact that way (unless that's why
it was the largest - everybody threw an extra vote into it).

Pat O'Keefe 

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Re: Interesting article on the future of mainframe programming and support personnel

[Ian]

>Gerhard wrote
>
>Like many a poll, it's missing some alternatives, making the results
questionable. Just some quick additions:  "I'm semi-retired, doing
>occasional consulting work" or "I'm already retired" or "I'm retired but do
occasional pro bono work" or "I'm not retiring, but changing >careers
(perhaps to politician "

Thanks Gerhard,  leaving out an option for retirees was an omission.
 I've added 2 option.


Ian
http://www.cicsworld.com

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Re: Interesting article on the future of mainframe programming and support personnel

[Gerhard Postpischil]

Ian wrote:

Take a moment and participate in the poll: http://www.cicsworld.com/


Like many a poll, it's missing some alternatives, making the 
results questionable. Just some quick additions:  "I'm 
semi-retired, doing occasional consulting work" or "I'm already 
retired" or "I'm retired but do occasional pro bono work" or 
"I'm not retiring, but changing careers (perhaps to politician "



Gerhard Postpischil
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Re: Interesting article on the future of mainframe programming and support personnel

[Ian]

Several media articles came out after the CA Mainframe survey was released.

Networkworld put it this way: "Still all is by no means rosy in
mainframeland. Another recent study raised an ever-increasing issue –
retiring mainframers."

Several years ago I put poll's to see where we stand with retirements, and
what age the Mainframer's are.
Retirement poll : http://www.cicsworld.com/node/123
Age Poll : http://www.cicsworld.com/node/157

Though the polls are informal, I do not think things are as bad as they
portray it.

So to gauge the current state of affairs I put up another retirement poll.
It will be interesting to see how many people will really retire in the near
future.

Take a moment and participate in the poll: http://www.cicsworld.com/

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Interesting article on the future of mainframe programming and support personnel

[Joel Wolpert]

http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/mainframe-world/young-mainframers-34096?subtype=Blogs

Joel Wolpert
Performance and Capacity Planning consultant
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Interesting article on issues migrating off the mainframe

[Ed Gould]

MOVING APPS OFF MAINFRAME MAY HAVE UNINTENDED RESULTS
http://go.techtarget.com/r/8698904/6570353
Robert Crawford, Contributor


Migrating applications off the mainframe may seem like a good idea,
with CPU consumption and cost savings benefits. But if the
application's data model isn't fully understood, these migrations can
become costly and may require your organization to invest in
additional computing resources.


In this column, mainframe expert Robert Crawford uses a hypothetical
capacity planning meeting to demonstrate the unintended negative
consequences that can come from migrating apps off the mainframe.


READ THE FULL STORY
http://go.techtarget.com/r/8698905/6570353





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Interesting Article

[Gary Green]

on the H1B Visa program.  I know it's not specific to mainframes but all of us 
are affected by it one way or another.  Some even more so... :(

http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3367772/68381743/127066/2/

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Re: Interesting article

[Barbara Nitz]

>That was a new one for me! However, when I looked for confirmation, Urban 
>Dictionary told me that a schleppi is a "dodgy partygoer" (???)

>I did encounter schlepptop though, which has even better ring. 

I'm seriously off-topic here, but the word 'schleppen' is actually a German 
verb meaning to carry something extremely heavy. I have encountered the word 
'schleppen' in English a number of times, always in the context of carrying 
heavy things. And as the blasted things are so heavy, they're colloquially 
refered to (in German) as Schlepptops or Schleppis. :-) I wouldn't know about 
the partygoer, though

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Re: Interesting article

[Andy Wood]

On Wed, 28 May 2008 07:25:47 +0200, Barbara Nitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

. . .

>  'schleppi'

That was a new one for me! However, when I looked for confirmation, Urban 
Dictionary told me that a schleppi is a "dodgy partygoer" (???)

I did encounter  schlepptop though, which has even better ring. 

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Re: Interesting article

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 5/28/2008 8:03:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ep. 3270 on the s/370s. For UNIX it was TTYs (ah, the joys of an  ASR33!
or "glass ttys" for CRTs.). For the truly advanced UNIX people, it  was
an X-terminal (Graphics). 
>>
Hmmm, I remember it as ASYNC vs BiSYNCH; dial-up vs dedicated. First  big 
payfor program
was N1 repeaters for AT&T. Think it was Honeywell out of Atlanta  Financial 
institution. Dial-up 33ASR in Basic! 
 
Then I made the mistake of going to the 'phone store' yesterday to get  a new 
'plan'. Like Dodge City during Doc Holiday, Wyatt Earp era-maybe worse.  Also 
during the years found lots of TI graphics support spilt over  from 
development  groups.






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Re: Interesting article

[Thomas Kern]

And our 13 OfficeVision instances on one 4381 worked very well and we did
not loose any backups of email, documents, user a-disks, or SQL/DS databases.

But this is only the latest of 'thin-client' projects that have been tried
for at least a dozen years.

/Tom Kern


On Tue, 27 May 2008 19:23:50 -0400, Gary Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To kinda make up for my earlier post about Evil Knievel's son (an off topic
>post if ever there was one), this article landed in my inbox so I thought I
>would pass it along.
>
>My comment is this, "were they not called 3270 terminals" way back when.
>And, since when is "this approach completely different"?
>
>http://federaltimes.com/index.php?S=3533568
>
>Gary Green
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Re: Interesting article

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Green
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> Subject: Interesting article
> 
> To kinda make up for my earlier post about Evil Knievel's son 
> (an off topic
> post if ever there was one), this article landed in my inbox 
> so I thought I
> would pass it along.
>  
> My comment is this, "were they not called 3270 terminals" way 
> back when.
> And, since when is "this approach completely different"?
>  
> http://federaltimes.com/index.php?S=3533568
>  
> Gary Green

Yep. 3270 on the s/370s. For UNIX it was TTYs (ah, the joys of an ASR33!
or "glass ttys" for CRTs.). For the truly advanced UNIX people, it was
an X-terminal (Graphics). 

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Re: Interesting article

[Barbara Nitz]

Gary,

this installation has been running on 'thin clients' (inaffectionately called 
'toasters') for as long as I work here. Plays havoc on IBMs 'new face', as that 
requires '.exe'-execution priviledges, which the toaster users don't have. 

All the new and clickable applications that IBM is at such great pain to 
deliver require authority to install them by user (not available on a thin 
client), and the group maintaining the servers behind the thin clients is not 
willing to support 'us' and the clickable stuff. So thank goodness we all have 
our 'schleppi' (laptop) to install ourselves. 

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Interesting article

[Gary Green]

To kinda make up for my earlier post about Evil Knievel's son (an off topic
post if ever there was one), this article landed in my inbox so I thought I
would pass it along.
 
My comment is this, "were they not called 3270 terminals" way back when.
And, since when is "this approach completely different"?
 
http://federaltimes.com/index.php?S=3533568
 
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Interesting Article

[Gary Green]

about the mainframe and TCO...
 
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Re: Interesting Article

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)]

>On the mainframe and why it has not died off ...
>
>http://www.it-analysis.com/business/content.php?cid=9726 


Interesting? IMHO, just another one of those bad management
influencers. 

z/OS and its predecessors have long been a strong (if not the
strongest) data base engine around. And they could and still 
can run Java workload, of course, without zAAPs.

zAAPs and zIIPs are a pricing thing only. Full stop.

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Interesting Article

[Gary Green]

On the mainframe and why it has not died off ...

http://www.it-analysis.com/business/content.php?cid=9726 

   

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Interesting Article on COBOL, but not zSeries specific

[McKown, John]

>From "El Reg", entitled "COBOL Resartus" or "Revisiting the re-tailored
COBOL universe"

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/03/20/cobol_financial_services/

May be good news for EU COBOL programmers especially. 

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