Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-17 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
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W dniu 2012-04-17 18:53, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze:
[...]
> Sh, kiddies are reading this and we greybeards must 
> behave. ;-D

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Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-17 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2012-04-17 18:53, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze:
[...]

Sh, kiddies are reading this and we greybeards must behave. 
;-D


Kiddies here? Are you KIDDING?

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Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-17 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
R. Skorupka wrote:

>I have never heard someone saying: I'm using Ford product 2817-M15 known as 
>z196...

Neither me too, but I agree 101% with what you said. 

The same here, when we are talking about Hilux, it is about Toyota DoubleCab 
Bakkie. (Bakkie - pickup truck)

 ... and car thieves are loving this car ...   ;-/


Enjoy this trivia about Hilux at South Pole in around 2010 (articles plus good 
photos):

http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/cars/toyota/local-hilux-reaches-south-pole-1.876513
http://www.4x4offroads.com/toyota-hilux-south-pole.html

>BTW: Let's leave it. My primary goal was to explain the meaning of 196 and 114 
>and I did it. 

You achieved your goal with flying colours.

>The rest is my humble opinion. I wish I would start Cindy or logon to 
>Jennifer... ;-)

Sh, kiddies are reading this and we greybeards must behave. 
;-D

:-D   :-D

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Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-17 Thread Hal Merritt
 You answered your own question. 'Marketing names' are perceived to 'sound much 
better than...'  by marketing types. 

The names may or may not reflect anything technical. 

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..snip


BTW: I really can't understand "marketing names" like z196, TS1140, or 
DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially used), 
MAGSTAR, T-REX, MtBlanc or Cindy Crawford?

Last, bit not least: Athlon, or Pentium sounds much better than CMOS 11S.


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Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-17 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2012-04-17 16:30, Mike Schwab pisze:

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Jan MOEYERSONS
  wrote:

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:41:51 +0200, R.S.  wrote:


BTW: I really can't understand "marketing names" like z196, TS1140, or
DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially used),
MAGSTAR, T-REX, MtBlanc or Cindy Crawford?


A rose, by any other name...


Bet he does not like BMW model names either.


No, I don't like. ;-) But you are talking about model NUMBER, not name.
The name - let's take Rolls-Royce, Audi, Mercedes, sounds IMHO better 
than z196. z196 plays the role of NAME, not model number. The m/t is 
2817. What is Quattro? It's a model of Audi. What is Silver Spirit? It's 
a model of R-R. What's 2817 it m/t of z196...
Believe me: my car do have Product Number, I'm pretty sure it's user 
unfriendly and hard to remember, ...but I don't care. We use *names*, 
like Toyota Corolla, VW Golf, Ford Mondeo.
I have never heard someone saying: I'm using Ford product 2817-M15 known 
as z196...



BTW: Let's leave it. My primary goal was to explain the meaning of 196 
and 114 and I did it. The rest is my humble opinion. I wish I would 
start Cindy or logon to Jennifer... ;-)


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Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-17 Thread Mike Schwab
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Jan MOEYERSONS
 wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:41:51 +0200, R.S.  
> wrote:
>
>>BTW: I really can't understand "marketing names" like z196, TS1140, or
>>DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially used),
>>MAGSTAR, T-REX, MtBlanc or Cindy Crawford?
>
> A rose, by any other name...
>
Bet he does not like BMW model names either.
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Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-17 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Jan MOEYERSONS wrote:

>>BTW: I really can't understand "marketing names" like z196, TS1140, or
>>DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially used),
>>MAGSTAR, T-REX, MtBlanc or Cindy Crawford?

>A rose, by any other name...

Begin with dinousaurus names ( :-D ), then reptile names, then bird names, aloe 
names, etc. ;-D

Or start with a series, like this example: 8088, 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486, etc.

Or use the big 5, for example in  

http://www.resbank.co.za/AboutUs/PublicAwareness/Documents/A5%20all%20banknotes%20poster.pdf

where all of the big 5 are shown on our country's banknotes.

I like names for products if they are in a series or a group. Easier for 
marketing blurbs in airline magazines...

:-D

Groete / Greetings
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Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-17 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:41:51 +0200, R.S.  wrote:

>BTW: I really can't understand "marketing names" like z196, TS1140, or
>DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially used),
>MAGSTAR, T-REX, MtBlanc or Cindy Crawford?

A rose, by any other name...

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Re: SV: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-16 Thread Ed Gould

I will throw out a guess here.
IBM has been through the years exceedingly cautious in naming anything.
The new names are at best a way to confuse people, in my opinion.

Ed

On Apr 16, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Thomas Berg wrote:


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W dniu 2012-04-16 16:33, Alvaro Guirao Lopez pisze:

I have seeked but found nothing about this, why the new servers have

been

named z196&  z114 and not Z11 EC&  Z11 BC?



Why not z11? I don't know.
Why 196 and 114? I heard about it:
1xx means FIRST generation (of what? naming convention?)
96 means number of processors inside. Note, you can buy "only" 80 of
them, but it really contains 96 processors, inlcuidng SAPs and  
spares.

14 is for M10 model (4 are for spares and SAPs).


BTW: I really can't understand "marketing names" like z196,  
TS1140, or
DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially  
used),

MAGSTAR, T-REX, MtBlanc or Cindy Crawford?

Last, bit not least: Athlon, or Pentium sounds much better than CMOS
11S.


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Lodz, Poland


I would then suggest names more like: zEUS, HERA, HERMES,  
GILGAMESH, etc.  :)




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Re: SV: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-16 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2012-04-16 16:54, Thomas Berg pisze:

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W dniu 2012-04-16 16:33, Alvaro Guirao Lopez pisze:

I have seeked but found nothing about this, why the new servers have

been

named z196&   z114 and not Z11 EC&   Z11 BC?



Why not z11? I don't know.
Why 196 and 114? I heard about it:
1xx means FIRST generation (of what? naming convention?)
96 means number of processors inside. Note, you can buy "only" 80 of
them, but it really contains 96 processors, inlcuidng SAPs and spares.
14 is for M10 model (4 are for spares and SAPs).


BTW: I really can't understand "marketing names" like z196, TS1140, or
DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially used),
MAGSTAR, T-REX, MtBlanc or Cindy Crawford?

Last, bit not least: Athlon, or Pentium sounds much better than CMOS
11S.


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Lodz, Poland


I would then suggest names more like: zEUS, HERA, HERMES, GILGAMESH, etc.  :)


Hera?  What are you talking about???
Here sounds like a mother. What sounds more attractive: Hera or Jennifer 
Lopez? Or maybe you like z/OS-BX-81673&333 ???


Well, "sexy name" do have different meanings, very different...


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Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-16 Thread Alvaro Guirao Lopez
Sorry about the title of the post where I said 'assignation' I must say
'assigment'.

Thanks to those who correct my BIG mistake (apart from my love to mainframe
servers and our 'assignation')
2012/4/16 Thomas Berg 

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> >
> > W dniu 2012-04-16 16:33, Alvaro Guirao Lopez pisze:
> > > I have seeked but found nothing about this, why the new servers have
> > been
> > > named z196&  z114 and not Z11 EC&  Z11 BC?
> >
> >
> > Why not z11? I don't know.
> > Why 196 and 114? I heard about it:
> > 1xx means FIRST generation (of what? naming convention?)
> > 96 means number of processors inside. Note, you can buy "only" 80 of
> > them, but it really contains 96 processors, inlcuidng SAPs and spares.
> > 14 is for M10 model (4 are for spares and SAPs).
> >
> >
> > BTW: I really can't understand "marketing names" like z196, TS1140, or
> > DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially used),
> > MAGSTAR, T-REX, MtBlanc or Cindy Crawford?
> >
> > Last, bit not least: Athlon, or Pentium sounds much better than CMOS
> > 11S.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Radoslaw Skorupka
> > Lodz, Poland
>
> I would then suggest names more like: zEUS, HERA, HERMES, GILGAMESH, etc.
>  :)
>
>
>
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> Thomas Berg
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SV: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-16 Thread Thomas Berg
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> 
> W dniu 2012-04-16 16:33, Alvaro Guirao Lopez pisze:
> > I have seeked but found nothing about this, why the new servers have
> been
> > named z196&  z114 and not Z11 EC&  Z11 BC?
> 
> 
> Why not z11? I don't know.
> Why 196 and 114? I heard about it:
> 1xx means FIRST generation (of what? naming convention?)
> 96 means number of processors inside. Note, you can buy "only" 80 of
> them, but it really contains 96 processors, inlcuidng SAPs and spares.
> 14 is for M10 model (4 are for spares and SAPs).
> 
> 
> BTW: I really can't understand "marketing names" like z196, TS1140, or
> DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially used),
> MAGSTAR, T-REX, MtBlanc or Cindy Crawford?
> 
> Last, bit not least: Athlon, or Pentium sounds much better than CMOS
> 11S.
> 
> 
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland

I would then suggest names more like: zEUS, HERA, HERMES, GILGAMESH, etc.  :)



Regards,
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Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-16 Thread Edward Jaffe

On 4/16/2012 7:33 AM, Alvaro Guirao Lopez wrote:

I have seeked but found nothing about this, why the new servers have been
named z196&  z114 and not Z11 EC&  Z11 BC?


zEnterprise is an entirely new class of hybrid server (see zBX and Unified 
Resource Manager) whose traditional mainframe product component designations are 
currently z1xx where z1 = 'generation 1' and 'xx' = the number of 'cores' on the 
machine. z196 has 96 cores; z114 has 14 cores.


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Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-16 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2012-04-16 16:33, Alvaro Guirao Lopez pisze:

I have seeked but found nothing about this, why the new servers have been
named z196&  z114 and not Z11 EC&  Z11 BC?



Why not z11? I don't know.
Why 196 and 114? I heard about it:
1xx means FIRST generation (of what? naming convention?)
96 means number of processors inside. Note, you can buy "only" 80 of 
them, but it really contains 96 processors, inlcuidng SAPs and spares.

14 is for M10 model (4 are for spares and SAPs).


BTW: I really can't understand "marketing names" like z196, TS1140, or 
DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially used), 
MAGSTAR, T-REX, MtBlanc or Cindy Crawford?


Last, bit not least: Athlon, or Pentium sounds much better than CMOS 11S.


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Origins of numeric assignation of z196 & z114

2012-04-16 Thread Alvaro Guirao Lopez
I have seeked but found nothing about this, why the new servers have been
named z196 & z114 and not Z11 EC & Z11 BC?

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